China rebuts Japan’s plea for atom bomb victim visit

China rebuts Japan’s plea for atom bomb victim visit

Japan has put forth a proposal to the United Nations for world leaders to visit victims of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic explosions on the 70th anniversary of the tragedies. The Chinese foreign minister responded with “You ask China’s leaders to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but first let me ask, when Japanese leaders will visit the Nanking massacre memorial?” More than 10 UN member countries, South Korea included, all agree with the Chinese foreign minister in his stance towards the Japanese. Because of this Chinese opposition, this proposal has yet to be passed.

Source: Netease

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  • Terrik

    They aren’t wrong

  • Vance

    I agree with China. Will the Japanese also visit the Pearl Harbor Memorial in Hawaii or the route of the Bataan Death March in the Philippines or any number of sites of the tragedy of war? (They might have already. I am not sure of that.) I think some of our presidents have visited the atomic bomb memorials, but the US and Japan are allies now so that is a little different from China and Japan who have only buried the hatchet where shopping and adult entertainment are concerned. As far as I understand anyways.

    • KamikaziPilot

      I agree to the extent that nobody should be compelled to visit sites of supposed “war crimes”, unless it’s something that’s indisputably heinous, unnecessary and well beyond what normally goes on during wartime. Even using this standard would be subject to debate however. An example would be obvious genocide (WWII Nazi death camps). My reasoning for this is that there are so many so called “atrocities” committed in war time by all sides, to chose only certain ones that need to be remembered by the world would be an injustice to others not receiving the same recognition. Also, the winners of war would obviously receive more recognition than the losers. Ex. have the Soviets been vilified for what they did in Berlin anywhere close to the Japanese for what they did in Bataan or Nanking, despite the former arguably being worse?

      • bujiebuke

        “have the Soviets been vilified for what they did in Berlin anywhere close to the Japanese for what they did in Bataan or Nanking, despite the former arguably being worse?”

        How would you qualify something as worse in this case?

        Also, I started to read about both incidences as a high school senior, and only because we had a very good history teacher. To this day, I find that most westerners have not heard of Nanking or Bataan for that matter.

        • KamikaziPilot

          I’d probably use numbers to decide which was worse when comparing these two cases. The atrocities committed were both unnecessary for the war effort, deliberately targeted civilians, and seemed to be done systematically out of hatred for the enemy. Numbers vary widely according to what I’ve read but it does seem that there were more rapes in Berlin than Nanking. It’s been a long time since I was a HS senior but I don’t remember any atrocities from any war being mentioned. In college I only remember atrocities from the Axis side being mentioned, no Allied atrocities. Yes most westerners haven’t heard of Nanking or Bataan, but I still think more have than heard of what happened in Berlin, or at least the Japanese are vilified far more, IMO.

          Regarding the story I don’t think world leaders should feel compelled to visit Hiroshima any more than Japan’s leaders should be compelled to visit Nanking. However it would help relations if Abe would quit trying to backtrack on previous apologies.

          • bujiebuke

            Just to be clear, I think it’s really pointless to argue about which is worse, kind of like those “my country is better than yours” type of arguments. I wouldn’t know which one is worse, but from I read, both were horrendous acts that should never be repeated.

            I assume your also living in the US. Do you honestly find that Japanese are more vilified in the states than Russians?

            I agree with you on the story. Japan has made a number of apologies in the past, but it’s their back tracking that keeps getting them in trouble. I don’t understand why people don’t see this aspect.

          • Amused

            Not to butt in on you guys conversation but, butt-butt. I’d say most Americans aren’t familiar with either. The Dresden firebombing or Chiang Kai-shek’s Yellow River Flood are also probably unknown to them as well.
            When they replaced History with Social Studies and downgraded its importance as a subject something was lost. IMHO. Butting out again :)

          • bujiebuke

            Good point. Something related to Vance’s post, most Americans don’t realize we have a supreme court or federal reserve…

          • guest

            Also about the yellow river flood, the communists also tried to-/did- stop repairs by forces both native and foreign to use as propaganda for recruitiment.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I do have an opinion on which episode was worse but I won’t argue because as you said both were horrendous and should never be repeated. Also precise numbers are hard to come by, perspective plays a large role in opinion on which was worse and I also don’t want to be seen as minimizing one event just because the other is considered “worse” IMO. Yes I live in the US and I do find that at least when considering WWII behavior, the Japanese are far more vilified than the Soviets. Now if you talk about contemporary Russia and Japan, I’d say Japan may be more accepted though there are definitely still those that hold Japan’s past against the current population.

        • Vance

          I have run into young adults in the last few years who had to think awhile before they remembered who Hitler was.

    • bujiebuke

      I’ve said this before, but I think China and Japan will be united one day by their common sexual perversions…

      • Vance

        HaHaHa! And the Nobel Peace Prize goes to…Sora Aoi? (She is the only one I know about because her name is brought up all the time by the Chinese commenters and the Chinasmackers. She must rally make an impression!)

        • bujiebuke

          Her nickname in China is “the teacher”

          • Vance

            I bet her lectures are interesting…