Chinese Exchange Students Reportedly Cheat Heavily

Chinese Exchange Students Reportedly Cheat Heavily

An educational consulting company in America reported that 8,000 Chinese students were expelled from American universities in the past year. All of those expelled have one thing in common, they all either did very poorly academically or were reported for academic dishonesty. Females over 25 were expelled for academic dishonesty about 10% more often than males, and female’s grades were found to be 10% higher than males on average. Netizens say that “A pig in America is still a pig.”

Source: Netease

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  • Jahar

    It’s to be expected. They got what they deserved. If this is how many were caught and expelled, imagine how many weren’t caught. Should just ban them all. I read a while back that in Korea, some students got caught cheating on the SATs, so they banned all students from taking the test that year.

    • Amused

      I’d be cool with mandatory prison sentences for any caught.
      Cheaters, thieves, what’s the difference?

    • bujiebuke

      That’s right! some students got caught cheating means they’re all liars and cheaters, deport them all! Let’s just ignore and not report the number of students that didn’t cheat – fuck them, they dun deserve to go to school like real Amuricans.

      • Alex Dương

        I don’t think Jahar’s saying to deport them all. Recently I feel that he’s been making a lot of comments that unfairly shit on people, but this isn’t one of them IMO.

        • bujiebuke

          Should just ban them all.

          I was being a bit hyperbolic, but I don’t think I misread what he wrote.

          • Alex Dương

            He gave an example along with that, though. The May 4, 2013 scheduled SAT date in South Korea was canceled for all registered students. Now I agree with you that if he meant “ban them all” in perpetuity, that’s over-the-top; in the South Korea case, it’s not as if South Koreans are permanently barred from taking the SAT.

          • bujiebuke

            Except that his South Korean example doesn’t exactly fit what he meant by “banned”. In the case of Chinese students, cheaters were expelled and sent back home, I think he equates banned = expelled in this case. For the South Koreans, the case of barring students from taking a scheduled test is different from expelling them.

            I don’t want to get into a debate on the decoding of Jahar’s ‘lexicon’.

          • Jahar

            I meant for something similar to the Korean example.

      • Jahar

        I’d be surprised if 8000 American students were expelled for cheating. 8000 Chinese doesn’t surprise me at all. That’s a ridiculously high number. Those are the ones who were expelled. Not caught, expelled. on top of that, how many were not caught?

        No, not fuck them because their not Americans, fuck them because their cheating lying country mates aren’t going to stop unless they think it can happen to them. They don’t seem to understand they live in a country where there is rule of law, so if they want to behave as if they are still in China, they can go back.

        • Alex Dương

          That’s a ridiculously high number.

          Do you know how many Chinese students were in U.S. universities in 2013-2014? 274,439. 8,000/274,439 is <3%.

          • Jahar

            3% getting expelled for cheating is a pretty high number to me.

          • Alex Dương

            For reference, in 2012, about 2% of all Harvard undergraduates were accused of cheating in the final exam of a class. Half of them had to leave for a year, and a fourth were put on probation. <3% doesn't seem absurdly high in comparison.

          • Jahar

            so 1% were made to leave for a year. 3% is triple that. and was it for a year or permanently?

          • Alex Dương

            Three times a small percentage is still a small percentage, unless you think 1% isn’t a small percentage. Also, as far as I know, the forced withdrawal was for one year, and the students were allowed to return after serving their “sentences.”

          • Jahar

            I don’t think1% is a small percentage either.

          • Alex Dương

            Why?

          • Jahar

            Because that’s a lot of cheaters. How can you not think it’s a lot of cheaters?

          • Alex Dương

            It’s the percentage that was punished (at least relative to all Harvard undergraduates that year). My reference point would be the percentage of students that admit to having cheated but weren’t necessarily punished. For the Harvard Class of 2017, 10% of the incoming class admitted to cheating on at least one exam before college. 42% admitted to cheating on at least one homework assignment. So in comparison, 1% does not seem large at all.

          • Jahar

            I just realized I wrote cheaters instead of students expelled for cheating.
            I would assume more cheated in high school or below. I would also assume that they didn’t get expelled for a first offense. Or for complying an answer to a simple homework assignment. 1% to be expelled seems like a lot.

        • bujiebuke

          Once again, you broadly paint a behavior on an entire race based on the misbehavior of a few bad apples. The issue is whether 8,000 is significantly more than the total number of students being expelled for cheating. The original article completely failed to mention it.

          • Jahar

            Ok, sidebar. Talking about these things would be much easier if I was more clear on who I’m talking to. You don’t seem to be Chinese, you write too well for that. So now my best guess is a big fan of all things Chinese, a sinophile (if you don’t find that term insulting anyway.) I had also assumed you had spent a good amount of time here, but I’m starting to question that as well.

            I’m not painting any “race” based on the behavior of “a few” bad apples. I have had countless discussions with thousands of people about such things. This is a part of Chinese culture. They cheat a lot. they don’t generally think it’s a particularly bad thing. The way they think about cheating on an exam is the way most western people would think about lying about being late, the reason you called in sick, telling your friends you’re busy because you just don’t feel like going out. Cheating just isn’t really wrong here. I’ve heard plenty of stories about teachers HELPING the students cheat. They really don’t generally see a problem with it.

            The article said 8000 is the number who were expelled, which is about 3%. Maybe that seems like a small percent. Maybe you think that an equivalent number of Americans are being expelled. But considering the US has 21 million people enrolled in higher education, that would be almost a million students getting expelled each year. That would be insane. Ridiculously insane.

            3% is way way way too high. Kill the Chicken to scare the Monkey. This is the Chinese way, something they understand. Ban them all from enrollment for a year, because of too many cheaters, and I promise that number will start to go down.

          • bujiebuke

            I must say, I haven’t been this amused in a long time. I’ll address your comments point-by-point but knowing full well ahead of time that 70% (big percent) of it will go past your head.

            You don’t seem to be Chinese, you write too well for that.

            and then this,

            I’m not painting any “race” based on the behavior of “a few” bad apples.

            Are you aware of how contradictory your statement is? You’re making a presumption based on your own prejudices about poor writing skills and race but then go on to say that you’re not being racist at all. The debate on this issue is not dependent on the color of my skin or my ethnic origin, it’s about whether 8,000 cheaters is a significant representation of Chinese students. My racial or ethnic identity has nothing to do with this.

            Your first paragraph comes off of something like this: “OK, hey lets talk about this from one white guy to another, we both know Chinese people cheat so you know deep down in your Arian heart that my argument is perfectly valid”

            I have had countless discussions with thousands of people about such things.

            I’ve questioned your supposed claim to these wild figures in the past and you’ve never responded. Either you’re wildly exaggerating or you have trouble counting.

            Which brings me to the next point…

            The article said 8000 is the number who were expelled, which is about 3%… But considering the US has 21 million people enrolled in higher education, that would be almost a million students getting expelled each year. That would be insane. Ridiculously insane.

            What’s really insane about this is that you seem incapable of doing simple math. Explain to me how 3% of 21 million equals “almost 1 million”? I’m happy to show you step by step on how to do basic arithmetic.

            Secondly, the 3% comes from the total number of Chinese students enrolled in the U.S, not the total number of students enrolled in higher education. This is like saying, 3% of all oranges were overripe in the warehouse, the warehouse has 21 million fruits, therefore there’s almost 1 million overripe fruits! Seriously, I want you to think this over before you respond.

            Ban them all from enrollment for a year, because of too many cheaters, and I promise that number will start to go down.

            Alex Dương: I wasn’t wrong in my interpretation of his original statement.

          • Alex Dương

            I agree that “Talking about these things would be much easier if I was more clear on who I’m talking to” is a problematic thing to say. I also agree that Jahar’s position on what constitutes “a lot” isn’t consistent, as he thinks both 8,000 and <3% are too high. But he isn't saying the ban should be permanent.

          • bujiebuke

            I suppose if he wrote “ban them all for a semester” would be less of a problem, but it’s still tossing the baby out with the bathwater type of thinking.

          • Jahar

            how is saying both those numbers are a lot inconsistent?

          • Alex Dương

            You made a big deal about how 8,000 is a huge number. Then when it’s pointed out to you that 8,000 is <3% of all Chinese students at U.S. universities, you still say that <3% is huge. 3 is not huge.

          • Jahar

            You’re okay with the idea taht about 3% of the students get expelled for cheating? Like I mentioned before, if it was that percent across the board, that would be around 600 000 students. How could anyone think it’s not a huge amount? Or is it really that common and I just never noticed?

          • Jahar

            It’s not racist to say that native speakers are better than non native speakers. I’ve said nothing about race. again.I said nothing about anyone being bad at English.

            Your race and identity have a huge amount to do with it. Although I said nothing about race. Again. No one is bias free. And the amount of time you’ve spent withing a culture shows how much experience you’ve had with them. People from different cultures have different tendencies.

            My first paragraph comes off that way to someone who already assumes I’m racist, and can’t overlook that for long enough to actually address what I’m saying.

            Thousands of people is not a lot. I’ve been teaching English for 8 years. My job is to talk to them.

            3% of 20 million is 600 000. 600 000 can be rounded up to a million easily enough.

            I was making a comparison to the ratio of chinese students expelled to the number it would have to be for it to be equivalent nationwide.

            As for banning them, I told you twice now they should do what they did in Korea. It’s not uncommon to punish a group when such a large number continue to break rules.

            As for ignoring points, you totally ignored my points. Bravo, maybe you are Chinese.

          • bujiebuke

            Wow! I almost feel sorry for you, how does it feel to spin around the room all day?

            It’s not racist to say that native speakers are better than non native speakers. I’ve said nothing about race. again.I said nothing about anyone being bad at English.

            First, you don’t actually need to literally write the word race in a sentence to come off as being racist. Your literally judging the color of my skin based on my writing skills. You must realize that this is a text book example of making a racist comment.

            and then there’s this,

            Your race and identity have a huge amount to do with it. Although I said nothing about race.Again. No one is bias free.

            Please for cthulu’s sake, just take 5 min, NO, take 1 hour if you need to and ponder on what you wrote. You are contradicting yourself here, again. What you’re saying is that race and identity has a lot to do with a person’s writing skills and then next, you’re claiming that you didn’t make that statement. And then in the next sentence you’re acknowledging that perhaps you were being a bit biased after all??

            Thousands of people is not a lot. I’ve been teaching English for 8 years. My job is to talk to them.

            In my experience in academia, people tend to write similarly to the way that they speak, and you my friend, should never ever have been given the right to teach English. Pro tip: find another trade.

            3% of 20 million is 600 000. 600 000 can be rounded up to a million easily enough.

            You still have no idea why doing this is wrong. When you round from 6 to 10, you’re accepting that there’s a 67% uncertainty. By rounding, you’re saying that the true value could be 10, or it could be 2. That’s a huge error for an estimate that was originally based on 3%!

            I was making a comparison to the ratio of chinese students expelled to the number it would have to be for it to be equivalent nationwide.

            I can see that my fruit analogy went way over your head.

            As for banning them, I told you twice now they should do what they did in Korea. It’s not uncommon to punish a group when such a large number continue to break rules.

            Yes, only after your confusing and misleading OP. It still doesn’t negate my criticism of your rationale for labeling people’s writing skills as a litmus test for their race.

            As for ignoring points, you totally ignored my points. Bravo, maybe you are Chinese.

            I HAVE LITERALLY ADDRESSED EACH ONE OF YOUR CLAIMS POINT-BY-POINT!! HOW AM I IGNORING THEM?? YOU EITHER HAVE READING COMPREHENSION OR ARE IGNORING THEM ALL TOGETHER

            You have not even addressed my contention that the original article failed to address the total number of students who were expelled for cheating in that year. It makes a difference whether 8,000 is a large number that merits further discussion or small number that’s insignificant to draw a conclusion.

          • Jahar

            Native English speaker is not a race. Someone’s race has something to do with their viewpoint. These two things are unrelated.

            This is not academia, it’s the internet, and now you are now the one judging groups of people based on a few.

            Who the fuck cares if its 600k or a million? I wrote a million because i write when im busy, and didn’t care about the math. Why do you dwell on this so much?

            Do you deny that if there were 600k students getting expelled in the US this would be considered a massive problem? Your analogy didn’t go over my head. I understood. My point is to say it would be a horrible problem if that was the nationwide average.

            My other point was you don’t seem to know the way cheating is accepted here. It’s not me being racist. It’s how it is. And again, I’m not talking about a race. I’m talking about people in a country. This is not a race.

            You mean the total people expelled for cheating in the whole country? No, it didn’t. But do you think it was more than 600 000?

          • bujiebuke

            Native English speaker is not a race.

            That’s true, and it’s also true I never made this claim. Nice try.

            Someone’s race has something to do with their viewpoint. These two things are unrelated.

            I’m going to leave this here for you to explain what these two sentences mean.

            Who the fuck cares if its 600k or a million?

            The ones who gives a fuck: bankers, lawyers, scientists, mathematicians, engineers, physicians, cooks, plumbers, welders, artists, and pretty much anyone else who has a job.

            I wrote a million because i write when im busy, and didn’t care about the math. Why do you dwell on this so much?

            BECAUSE YOU DON”T KNOW SIMPLE MATH AND YET YOU CLAIM TO BE A TEACHER!! YOU CONTINUE TO CLAIME THAT 3% “IS HUGE” BUT THEN CASUALLY DISMISS “67%” AS SOMETHING I SHOULDN’T DWELL ON! HOW CAN SOMETHING SO BASIC BE LOST ON YOU?

            Do you deny that if there were 600k students getting expelled in the US this would be considered a massive problem? Your analogy didn’t go over my head.

            Yes it did because, this statement is evidence that you still don’t understand. It’s not 3% of 21 million, it’s 3% of 274,000!!

            My other point was you don’t seem to know the way cheating is accepted here. It’s not me being racist. It’s how it is. And again, I’m not talking about a race. I’m talking about people in a country. This is not a race.

            This is a gross oversimplification and a distraction on whether 8,000 students caught cheating is significant or not to the whole population. It was never about issues of cheating or dishonesty in Chinese Universities.

            You mean the total people expelled for cheating in the whole country? No, it didn’t. But do you think it was more than 600 000?

            Incomplete sentence, missing verbs and nouns, and complete absence of sentence structure. Serious question, how did they allow you to teach English?

            No I don’t think it’s more than 600,000 because the original article was pretty clear that it claimed to be only 8,000 students that were expelled.

          • Jahar

            I said you write too well to be Chinese. You took this to be racist. Chinese are not native speakers. Any native speaker should write better than someone from China, or at least the vast majority of people. you keep referring to this as a comment on race for some reason. I don’t know why.

            This isn’t a conversation about math, it’s a conversation about ethics. If you want to to be about math, congratulations, you win. I know simple math I just don’t care. You’re right. I didn’t care enough in an internet post to write an accurate figure.

            3% of 21 million students. not Chinese students, but students. My point is that if the percent of chinese people expelled was equivalent to that of American students, then 600k American students would have had to be expelled. I thought I was clear on that.

            Me talking about Chinese students cheating in China is an explanation of why I think drastic measures should be taken to show them it’s not acceptable in the US. No, I don’t think it’s fair to those who don’t cheat, but I don’t think the cheaters who get away with it is fair to those who don’t cheat either.

            I don’t write in full sentences on the internet? Oh my. I don’t speak in full sentences sometimes too. I’ve also been known to send “lol” in text messages. This is clear proof I’m unable to do my job. I dont indent my paragraphs either.

            Great for you if you want to approach posting on forums the same way you would approach academic papers, but I don’t, and from what I’ve read, most people don’t. i don’t know why anyone would.

          • bujiebuke

            I said you write too well to be Chinese. You took this to be racist. Chinese are not native speakers. Any native speaker should write better than someone from China, or at least the vast majority of people. you keep referring to this as a comment on race for some reason. I don’t know why.

            I can literally refute this claim by quoting something that you wrote in this thread, here:

            Native English speaker is not a race. Someone’s race has something to do with their viewpoint. These two things are unrelated.

            How many times do I need to point your own contradictions before you get a clue? You’re clearly more interested in saving face than actually trying to substantiate an argument.

            This isn’t a conversation about math, it’s a conversation about ethics. If you want to to be about math, congratulations, you win. I know simple math I just don’t care. You’re right. I didn’t care enough in an internet post to write an accurate figure.

            Wrong again my philistine friend. Your using math to support your claim that Chinese commonly cheat. If the number is not reliable, then you’re claim is also refuted.

            Here, in the same fucking post, you’re trying to use numbers to substantiate a claim:

            3% of 21 million students. not Chinese students, but students. My point is that if the percent of chinese people expelled was equivalent to that of American students, then 600k American students would have had to be expelled. I thought I was clear on that.

            THIS ALSO DOESN’T MAKING ANY FUCKING SENSE BECAUSE ALL STUDENTS ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS 21 MILLION NUMBER, NOT JUST NATIVES!

            Also,

            You have to contextualize percentages if you’re going to claim something like 3% is significant. Now, in manufacturing that’s practicing six-sigma, yes, a 3% defect rate is very significant. But when you’re off by 3% following a recipe calling for a cup of flour, having an imprecision of 3% would not influence the outcome.

            So, if the authors of the original article had performed their due diligence, they would have looked at the number of cheaters being expelled that came from other countries or determine and compare whether the percent of native students being expelled is higher or lower than Chinese students. This would be one reasonable approach to say whether 3% is significant or not.

            I don’t speak in full sentences sometimes too.

            As someone who claims to be an educator, you should be embarrassed for even admitting this.

            I don’t even come close to approaching this forum as I do in academic papers. I try to be clear and concise, I don’t know why you have a problem with that.

          • Jahar

            Still not following why you think that my statement that non native speakers of english are worse than native speakers has something to do with race.

            Sure, the 21 million isn’t all americans. What does it matter if it’s a bit different? You’re splitting hairs. 20 million 19 million 22 million, it’s close enough. No, it’s not the exact number. Neither’s the 8000. Neither’s most of the numbers we use for most of the things we talk about. To say it doesn’t make sense doesn’t make sense. You’ve never ball-parked figures? Really? Really?

            the 3% is in a context. students getting expelled. Are you really trying to say this is an acceptable amount? Or you just have to defend it because it’s Chinese students?

            You really mean to say that occasionally speaking, or writing less than a full sentence disqualifies someone from being an educator? And what’s with this “claims” bullshit? who the hell would make that up? You really think there is an educator in the world who has never uttered less than a complete sentence? They’ve never said “That thing.” Really?

            I don’t know why you keep nitpicking over little shit, say you address my points, yet not a comment about the issue of cheating, or what you think should be done about it.

            I don’t have a problem with your writing. I thought I was quite clear with that. But you seem to take offense to anyone not writing in that manner.

            Edit: you also ignored the part where I said I was talking about ethics, and the point where I quite clearly explained this was nothing about race.

          • bujiebuke

            I’m done. This is my last response to you on this subject. There’s only so many ways to teach someone how to count and I’ve exhausted them all in your case. You don’t seem capable of understanding why it’s incorrect draw conclusions based on a calculation that’s intrinsically flawed. Now you’ve revealed that you don’t seem to understand what numbers are used for or why they’re important.

            All of my posts explain why each and every argument you’ve made is wrong and factually incorrect. I have addressed your comments piece by piece but you seem incapable to properly address any of mine.

            How can you not understand that judging a person’s writing skills based solely on their race is considered a racist statement to make?

            Ok, sidebar. Talking about these things would be much easier if I was more clear on who I’m talking to. You don’t seem to be Chinese, you write too well for that.

            Why should your response to me be any different if I was Asian, white, or black?

            Compare your latest post to your first, I’d say you’ve made a conscious effort to write better, but to be honest, you come off as someone who’s learned how to read and write in English, but hasn’t completely mastered it in casual form.

          • Jahar

            Chinese is not a race. I have no idea why you think it is. China is a country. They do not speak English as a native language in China. To say they don’t speak English as well as a native speaker isn’t racist. If you think it is, fine, go ahead.

            I’ve heard nothing from you but you point out that I’ve generalized, rounded numbers too much, and made insulting comments. You haven’t addressed the issues of whether or not 3% is a high number or not. You haven’t given any input on the topics of the issue of cheating in general by people in China or what should be done about it. You seem to just want to criticize me, and offer nothing of substance. You’re entire argument is that im wrong because im not accurate. Yet you offer no argument of your own.

            Here’s the end of this for me. According to Zinch China, an educational consulting company, 90 percent of Chinese applicants submit fake recommendations, 70 percent have other people write their essays, 50 percent have forged high school transcripts, and 10 percent list academic awards and other achievements they did not receive. Assuming there are some in the last 3 groups who are not in the first, this is saying that over 90% of Chinese students cheat. Care to comment on this information, and not my writing or logic?

        • DragonflyBeach

          Chinese students struggle in the U.S., here in Berkeley i know it’s hard for many of them due to language barriers. Many Chinese don’t make it. I feel sorry for them, especially since Chinese Universities aren’t as hard as American ones, whereas Chinese High schools are way harsher than American ones. They basically have to work hard twice just to transfer to an American University from a two-year college.
          So I’m not surprised they cheat sometimes.

    • donscarletti

      If I recall at my university, foreign students were given a first warning with no attached discipline for cheating, whereas local students were failed for an entire semester on the first offense and expelled on the second.

      The reason given is “students from Asian countries (China/Korea) don’t always know cheating is wrong”, but in reality it’s because the fees are 5 times higher for foreign students, making each and every one of them the university’s golden goose.

      • BrandeX

        There’s no refunds.

        • David

          True, but if a university becomes known for expelling cheaters (or any other behavior that seems unfriendly to foreign students) it will discourage others from attending there.

  • Chaz

    It’s the Opium War and sacking of the Summer Palace that forced them to do it…

    • Alex Dương

      If you’re going to blame an aspect of Chinese history for a behavior that is sadly found in all countries, I’d say the Cultural Revolution is a bigger culprit.

      • BrandeX

        You’ve got it backwards bud. Those are their excuses.

        • Alex Dương

          Not clear to me that the Chinese use that excuse for cheating.

          • BrandeX

            Whether the Chinese use it or not is irrelevent, that is what the poster is insinuating, and you didn’t understand what he was saying. I explained it to you, now you know what Chaz meant.

          • Alex Dương

            OK, so you’re saying that when you’re making fun of people, it doesn’t matter what those people actually do or say. Just straw man them and laugh?

          • BrandeX

            I’m not saying anything, chief.
            You didn’t understand what he wrote, I explained it to you. You seem to have at least some minor understanding of his message now.
            /thread

          • Alex Dương

            I’m not saying anything, chief.

            You certainly aren’t.

  • Zappa Frank

    conisdering the huge population of chinese students in US i doubt that 8000 expelled for cheating is something above the normal rate…

    • bujiebuke

      Thank you. I also read the original article and couldn’t believe that they didn’t bother reporting basic stats like the number of Chinese students in U.S., or the total number of students expelled for cheating.

  • who the fk cares!
    wish no one gives this site a shit!

    • Chris Bullock

      You feel hurt?

      • in fact i come here because a white snob dog introduced me this site.
        his name is ed o’donnell. he is a snob dog. likes to lick sh rich girls for his coffin.

        • Chris Bullock

          His coffin? He is a vampire!! Or a zombie.

        • David

          so he would not lick you because you are not rich? Sorry to hear it, better luck next time.

        • David

          He would not lick you because you are not rich? Sorry to hear it, better luck next time.

          • shut up!

            bite by snob dog once already enough!
            i really can not image an aged man is still so snobbish, only treat sh local girls, but american are cheap as fk, just did not know also so snobbish.

        • KamikaziPilot

          “likes to lick sh rich girls for his coffin.”

          Haha, I tried figuring this out but I still haven’t a clue to what this even means? I got to give it to you eattot, you do make me laugh sometimes.

        • Gerhana

          ed o’donnell sounds fictitious for some reason… like a fake name you give to someone to avoid them knowing anything about you. lol

        • MonkeyMouth

          snob dog?

  • Foreign Devil

    The secondary education system is a big business sham in the US anyways. Education should be offered free online with small fees for exam testing. Corporations like Harvard and Yale get millions and millions in tax free donations every year

    • David

      The government makes the donations tax deductible to encourage people to give money to educational institutions.

  • Amused

    Got to say this is the healthiest looking thread I’ve seen on here in ages.

    That said, I agree with Jahar that cheating is definitely an accepted thing, by and large, in China. Anyone denying that is telling you the moon is made of cheese. I also agree with Alex that you can lay most of the moral failings of Chinese folks at the feet of the Cultural Revolution.

    But kicking all the Chinese students out because some cheat(besides being a real nutshot to all those school’s bottom lines) would be incredibly unAmerican. We don’t kick all the Muslims out just because some of them are apeshit and want to kill everyone who doesn’t believe what they believe. We don’t kick the Italians out because some of them are in the mafia. We don’t kick the Latinos out because some of them are in the country illegally. The list goes on and the analogy can be applied to almost any race/religion in the country. We don’t punish the many for the sins of the few

    Just blackball the cheaters and move on man.

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