‘Chinese-Style Justice’ – 0 Points Gaokao Essay from Sichuan

A Chiense Gaokao collect entrance examination essay.

China’s teenagers took the annual nationwide and all-important gaokao university entrance examinations just recently, and the scores are in. Every year, test essays that were awarded full points as well as essays that were given zero points are published or leaked to the public, inspiring at times awe and amusement.

Below is one “0-point” essay from a test-taker in Sichuan province. The Chinese word 平衡 ping heng was translated as “justice” here but it may be more accurately understood as “a sense of balance or fairness” usually with life or the state of affairs in the world.

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Chinese-Style Justice

When I saw this essay prompt, I suddenly felt an urge to laugh. Yes, that’s right; I wanted to laugh. It’s as if I could see the deathly grim face of the grader through this piece of test paper.

According to the media, the last decade has seen the price of real estate increase twenty-fold. When all the young who have dreams cannot even lift their heads because they are crushed by the prices of apartments, where is justice? The common rabble’s monthly salary is enough to buy only half a square meter of real estate a month, while any one of “Brother Watch‘s” watches costs tens of thousands of kuai—and “Brother Watch” even says he has dozens of watches like these. Brother Watch even says he also has so many apartments in Beijing. Thus, my eyeballs almost popped out from their sockets [after reading this essay prompt].

Fortunately, then there came a “Sister House”, who with her actions told “Brother Watch”: You’re nothing, kiddo! After all, it was all over the news that “Sister House” has dozens of apartments in Beijing, plus four household registry booklets. Those booklets are real, and she even has four citizen identification numbers [four official valid identities]. This time my eyes actually fell out of their sockets, and it took me a while to put them back in their place. Apparently, the so-called “relevant authorities” had nothing to say about this seeming abnormality. No one was held responsible, and no one ran into trouble. Suddenly, I felt “justice.”

When the second-generation rich drive their sports cars, flowers in hand, into school campuses chasing after chicks, when the exhaust of the sports car roars and blows into my face, I think, why isn’t my dad Li Gang? This kind of cynicism spread through my body, and made me dispirited and downcast. But then, the feats of Guo Meimei reinvigorated me. When there isn’t a biological father to rely on, there’s always someone called a “godfather” [“sugar daddy”]. Unfortunately, godfathers don’t take on godsons.

When the Chinese Red Cross, the symbol of helping those in need, couldn’t explain all the discrepancies in their accounting books, when Guo Meimei flaunted her luxury accessories, when people began criticizing and blaming Guo Meimei, Meimei told them, “Sister [referring to herself] has 17.4 GB of video.” Suddenly, the leaders of the Red Cross quickly declared, “no one said anything at all!” Guo Meimei acted to protect her personal interests, displaying the noble qualities of a new generation of youth. With her snow-white thighs, she climbed again and again onto the highest award podiums of the Red Cross.

Justice? I’ve always wanted to live a just life; in a society where everyone’s equal, where the law reigns supreme, where the city management don’t beat the rabble, where school principals don’t check into hotel rooms with their students, where doctors focus on treating their patients. But I was born into this society, breathing highly polluted air, eating food that could kill you at any time, watching the director of some state tobacco bureau accumulating millions. I want to ask, do you see justice? Do you believe the Chinese Dream will ever be realized? It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, either way I believe it.

When over ten thousand pigs collectively jumped into the Huangpu River, I realized that if I don’t believe in this “justice,” I’ll end up just like them. I’ve been waiting to live a “just” life, where the government officials are honest and do real work, where the businessmen run their businesses conscientiously, where the housing prices are not so ridiculously high, and where the people live in happiness and contentment.

There’s only a few minutes left before I have to turn in my test paper, and I already know my essay has pricked the test grader’s tiny little heart. Give me a zero then, my dear grader. I’m not scared, Sanlu milk powder didn’t kill me, so what more could a zero grade do? Don’t hesitate; scrawl down the grade, and then you can go play mahjong…

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  • Guang Xiang

    Someone hire this man.

    Edit: where are the Chinese comments?

    • Joey

      Lots of water meters to be checked this summer.

    • Dr Sun

      you can safely bet against it being CCTV or China Daily

  • Livin The Laowai Life

    Send this kid to Harvard. He deserves it for his bravery alone. I often lose hope with China, but young people like this give me the feeling that tomorrow will be a better day!

    • dumbledore

      He has baarrs. I like baars. I’ve graded plenty of papers and giving this guy a 0 is an utter joke and a testament to the failure of Chinese education. Is he addressing the subject? That alone is worth 5% on a reasonable test alone, no matter how else he’s doing. Giving a 0 is SOLELY for people who don’t address the subject given and/or don’t even attempt to write. This kid shows balls, that he’s following the news (even if it’s mainly netizen news) and that he’d not afraid to tackle sensitive subjects.

      If this was in the West, he should complain and he’d guaranteed get his score adjusted and the grader reprimanded.

      • Angela

        The student’s prompt only touched upon what the author wrote; in other words the student wrote in a childish unsophisticated way. If he truly wanted to protest he could’ve done it in a different form, or write a better essay. The bravery is revered, for we all know the huge impact this 0 will have on the student’s future life, but this essay is just awful.

    • Today

      I’ll admit that he was brave. But Harvard? Really? WTF? I don’t know how well you read but his essay was short and had nothing to do with the question!

      • Livin The Laowai Life

        Wow. My comment about sending him to Harvard was obviously hyperbole. You are absolutely correct that he didn’t respond to the prompt and that his essay was very short, but he obviously has a good grasp of the problems of contemporary Chinese society. It took a lot of courage to write what he did. If your Chinese is good enough to read his essay than your knowledge about contemporary Chinese culture should also be good enough for you to know that many young people lack this young mans bravery. Education isn’t always about proper grammar and writing the right answer. Sometimes, although far to infrequently in China, education is about thinking for yourself and speaking truth to power.

        • Livin The Laowai Life

          P.S. Please disregard my own grammatical mistakes and misspellings. ;-)

          • Jobjed

            There is an “edit’ button?

          • But not your hyperbole?

            I’m not making you a sandwich.

          • Mighty曹

            Chinese Sandwich (嬲)

          • Chinese Milk (姦)

          • 剑胆琴心

            the first time i saw this word in dictionary when i was a kid,i felt it’s so sexual…hahaha!

          • Mighty曹

            When most kids were just discovering sexuality you have already advanced to ‘three-some’.

        • BiggJ

          Thin line between bravery and stupidity.

          • Mingtb

            Did a coward or stupid person say that?

          • magdelinarose

            king Phillip, of Macedonia, father of the next king”A”

          • James

            he was assassinated

          • Mingtb

            I don’t believe Phillip of Macedonia said that.

            Contrast bravery with cowardice.
            Contrast stupidity with intelligence.

            Contrast genius with madness.

            A mother attempting to protect her child against a rabid dog would not be called stupid.

        • today

          I completely agree with your views on education and apologise for not picking up the hyperbole.
          However what I really question is, is Gaokao the right moment to go on a political rant? I also want to question if he had seriously prepared for the exam would he do this?
          I’m just really saddened by the negative atmosphere of the future generation and sometimes a little angry how people actually encourage such a negative outlook in the name of ‘speaking truth.’ Because I think what may be more dangerous than the communist party’s ineptitude is having a toxic mentality about the society.

          • b00oyourdaddyb000

            why not? if not the fucking gaokao where he would be able to make his ‘political rant’ in this country? now he’s got attention. that’s the best you can make out of a ‘rant’.

            he could probably won’t pass it anyway ‘coz this system never tolerate people with their own opinions and personality. and in case you haven’t noticed, he didn’t care shit about this bullshit ‘gaokao’ as well.

          • today

            just as a sidenote are you from China? Cause if you are you would understand although there are many imperfection with society, Gaokao is one of the few ‘fair’ things. Had he truly wanted to make an impact, he would’ve tried his best and made a positive change, that’s why I think he just wanted to give himself an excuse for failing by turning the task into a social critique.
            How many people do you honestly see succeed through saying fuck this, fuck that everythings corrupt yet offer no real alternatives? Also your comments I think further strengthens my point on being positive in my last post. Always be a natural pessimist but a nurtured optimist :)

          • b00oyourdaddyb000

            yeah gaokao is ‘fair’ and i’m minister of education.

            now fuck you and fuck off!

            i win.

          • today

            Haha, I think your language and attitude just further strengthened my point. Fucking people isn’t gonna help society (maybe your parents shouldn’t have fucked).

            I still stand my point if exams aren’t relatively fair what is? Or are you just gonna continue your fuck everything attitude?

            I win

          • b00oyourdaddyb000

            i don’t fuck ‘everything’ obviously i’m only fucking you at this moment. now wrap up your idealism and fuck off

          • abcRF

            Mate, take a chill pill. Ovipusly ur not doong urself anygppd by acting like a spastic retard. Todays got a point take it or leave gracefully

          • b00oyourdaddyb000

            so since when this become your business?

          • today

            Well sorry if I’m making you realise that idealism can get some people somewhere whereas pessimism cant get anyone anywhere but shouldn’t you be the one fucking off since I commented before you.
            btw thanks abcRF.

          • shrinkingkeys

            since this conversation was posted on the internets. : ) the world is reading what you say.

          • Toraman

            Your gay.

          • Then why are people rioting because their kids weren’t allowed to cheat?

          • SonofSpermcube

            China’s air is relatively clean, compared to its water.

          • don’t believe the hype

            “Today” you raise some good points. I admire the gao kao for being a continuation of China’s ancient imperial examination which has always been respected for its “fairness.” However the reality appears to be a bit more bleak (and let me preface by saying this is exactly the kind of thing you find in the US as well). First, with rising income disparities a countryside student is unlikely to do as well as a high income urban student due to the simple fact that he has more resources for everything from English education to mathmatics to more professional teachers and even more updated books. I’ve also found that each province even has different gao kao exams so they cannot possibly be all the same (equally fair) even under the best of situations, as each province has at least some discretion over the questions (Hong Kong has been known to be far and away the most prestigious gao kao system from what i have heard since there education system is more modern than most mainland cities). A more dark, yet real, issue which occurs (sometimes, not always) is that urban students can get access to methods of cheating which a countryside student wouldn’t have the slightest chance of attaining either through mobile devices or even a teacher who has “somehow” found answers to the future gao kao exams (see the recent uproar over gao kao cheating in Zhongxiang). What I am trying to say is that no country has a perfectly fair college entrance system and the gao kao is certainly no exception.

          • don’t believe the hype

            p.s. don’t quote me on the hong kong part, that is just sthg i heard

          • SonofSpermcube

            If you’re from Beijing or Shanghai and you are unaware that China outside Beijing and Shanghai exists, then it is fair, I guess.

        • Kai

          I’m not sure what he wrote was really that “brave”. The things he alluded to are all widely published and openly discussed. The only thing that might be brave is if he felt the gaokao wasn’t the place to write something like this but did so anyway, and especially if it had absolutely zero to do with the essay prompt (though it sounds like it was still relevant to the prompt).

          Or maybe we can say he was brave for his last paragraph, where he pretty much asks for a zero and openly insults the grader.

          I think it might be more accurate to say we think he’s brave because he wrote something with an opinion we believe the graders or “system” didn’t want him to voice. But with this example alone, are we sure that’s it? Or is it because he asked for a zero, insulted the grader directly, and basically suggested he wasn’t taking the test seriously?

        • Me

          Well see, I can’t just go into an examination and write a sublime polemic on the problems of my society that doesn’t answer the question asked, then expect to deserve a good grade for my “bravery”. There’s a time and place for everything. Though to be fair I suppose the writer probably felt this was the only good time and place available to him.

        • Marco Rank

          Of course it’s hyperbole…who can afford to go to Harvard?

        • Angela

          I am a Chinese reader, and I can tell you that this essay barely touches upon the satirical bite of what you read in English. While the author has a good grasp of the problems of the contemporary Chinese society, the student does not. For those of you who cannot read Chinese, don’t be fooled by the well writing of the author.

      • booo

        is this long enough for you? warning: negative points..

      • stanley

        As far as I can tell, the prompt was “中国式平衡”, meaning “Chinese-style justice/balance”. How does this essay have nothing to do with the question? It’s completely on topic!

        • abcRF

          I too think that his point on off topic was a bit invalid. But when you read the essay, i think at no point does he really attempt to link back to question and honestly its poorly written so i do think it was justified mark.

          • GUEST

            Same here really, I was always told to answer the question. If you don’t answer a question, and rant on about something else, I personally believe that you have failed to give me what you needed to provide me with. Therefore I believe that this person deserves it. Furthermore, he asked for it! quite literally too! so it’s justifiable.

    • jollygood

      I think as you. In Europe, north or south America this boy would be awarded full points. He is a brave decent guy.

    • leo

      FYI, the chinese essay in picture, which received a 0, and the “Chinese-Style Justice” written in this article are two different essays.

    • abe

      with all my due respect, i cant help myself speaking out that there s no any differences whether u keep hope with china or not. he s brave? are u crazy? Tell me if there r any advantages in this passage of complaint except 4 ur socalled bravery.

    • blinded1

      Harvard? There is already filled with kids of powerful party/government officials. Harvard does not want students who have no chance to become the next leaders of a state.

    • James

      just make sure he tells them he’s a cherokee

  • POS

    Fucking Boss. This is what China needs more of, get that kid to Harvard!

  • Ian

    The translation doesn’t do it justice

    • Maybe more “!!!!!!111”?

  • Ricky Beijing


  • An intelligent and free-thinking individual. The worst enemy of the Communist Party.

    • Jobjed

      After taking a look at recent infrastructural and technological advances in China, I would say the converse. High-speed-rail, quantum computing, hydroelectric dams, giant wind farms, super computers and thorium reactors are all testament to the intelligence of people under the employment of the Communist Party. Adding the word “rebellious” would be a more appropriate description of the student.

      • dfgdfgdfgdfgdf

        Haha you must be a wu mao army member.

        • Jobjed

          Wu Mao’s can’t speak English worth a damn. But boy do I wish I was one; 50 cents for every post? I’ll make enough money to be able to eat all the Oreos and Gummy Bears I want!

          • Don’t believe the hype

            wu mao’s are the spoiled children of government officials. who else would get the benefit of western education, excellent english education and blind nationalism

          • Jobjed

            Spoiled children of government officials turn out to be like the girl mentioned in this article: http://www.chinasmack.com/2013/stories/rich-girl-shows-off-her-drugs-to-handsome-policeman-on-train.html

            I think you would find that nearly all Wu Mao’s are either idealistic party members (unlikely) or post-80s single males who need an additional source of income (most likely).

      • Guang Xiang

        Technology which are all taken from foreign talents and companies in order for them to be allowed to operate in China.

        • Jobjed

          Bold words, I like to see you prove it.

          • Don’t believe the hype

            No one is saying that Chinese people aren’t smart. In fact, just about everyone is saying that this boy is brilliant and deserves to given credit for how smart he is. The criticism is of a rigid Gao Kao and the Communist party government. Do you really think that the Communist government is the only reason China is successful? No, it is because of the Chinese people, which is why the fake communist dictatorship will not last forever. You must seperate government from people, it is not the same.

          • Gaokao2013

            It seems as if the Taiwanese people had the right idea after all!

          • Dr Sun

            not hard to find Jobjeb, google it

          • Goo…gle? We don’t have anything like that in China. Instead, we Chinese use Baid….

          • Dr Sun

            you must be in a different China than me then, as I use google all the time.

          • baidu.com/humor/ha_ha/dust_off_your-funnybone

          • lasolitaria

            Switching the burden of proof much? Quoting you: “High-speed-rail, quantum computing, hydroelectric dams, giant wind farms, super computers and thorium reactors”. I dare you to name a single one of those that was invented in China, let alone by the Communist Party.

            By the way, that post of yours is fallacious and misleading. The CP actions had nothing to do with any progress in China. If any, China advances when the CP stops rather than starts doing something.

          • wacky

            By the way, that post of yours is fallacious and misleading. The CP
            actions had nothing to do with any progress in China. If any, China
            advances when the CP stops rather than starts doing something.

            but arent those government projects funded by the cp??? without the government china wouldnt have had those kind of things

          • lasolitaria

            Bullshit! What about countries that have all those things but no CP? In fact, it doesn’t even have to be the government funding those things, cause in many places it’s the private sector who does.

          • Jobjed

            I’m pretty sure you don’t need to invent everything in order to qualify as being innovative. Thomas Edison didn’t invent the light bulb, he improved it and thus he is lauded as a talented person.

            Likewise, the development of the steam engine is usually not credited to the first person who invented it, but to the people who improved it afterwards.

            And why do people think I’m on the side of the CCP? I replied to the comment made by “_ _ _” that accuses the CCP of being afraid of smart people. What kind of stupid ass comment is that? The CCP is not afraid of smart people, it RECRUITS smart people. The people the CCP are “afraid” of are smart and rebellious people, and the OP neglected to use “rebellious” in his comment. Call me picky or whatever, but I never thought you people would make this comment into the shit storm it is right now.

          • Toraman

            Easy to prove. Just read stuff.

        • Mighty曹

          I even have suspicions about ‘Technology transfers’, which I’m sure the gov’t orchestrated under peer pressure .

      • xiaode

        good joke man… pls. show me any example of this high-tech shit mentioned above which was really developed by a chinese company! i am waiting….

        • Jobjed

          Search it yourself, you lazy mutt; Google is just one click away.

          • BiggJ

            And nothing….all transferred foreign technology.

          • Jobjed
          • BiggJ

            Ok so you have a few things. And most of these are just improvements to something that exist. And that’s cool. But really China should be top of the world when it come to inventions and whatnot. With 1.4 billion people there are bound to be inventors in that bunch. So it must have to do with free thinking why china lacks so much.2000 years ago china was pretty top of the world with inventions and now pretty much bottom. Why is that?

          • Jobjed

            China was top of the world for 15 of the past 20 centuries. Repressive foreign conquerors coupled with a rising West doomed China to fall behind and be exploited. I can guarantee you China has the most smart people in the world, it’s just many of them haven’t had the opportunity to be educated. Now that even a “portion” of them have education, China is suddenly a scientific power again. When the majority of China’s youth have access to quality education, it is likely China will again become top of the world in science.

          • BiggJ

            So it’s foreigners fault now?

          • Jobjed

            Before the Qing dynasty, the Manchu’s had not been sinicised thus they were legitimately foreigners. Under their rule, the Qing dynasty halted all scientific progress resulting in half a century of technological stagnation.

          • BiggJ

            It has nothing to do with that. It’s all about how the government educated their people. Take Canada for example. Only 34 mililon people and less then 200 years old and is far more advanced in most field than china. Why is that?

          • Jobjed

            The government did NOT educate their people for half a century. When the ROC government tried, the warlords and Communists stood in the way. Immediately after that, the Japanese invaded. The Communists started out great, before Mao decided to embark on his campaign of fails, AKA The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

            From 1979 – present, education has steadily improved. Although not optimal, it is indisputably much better than anything seen in China for half a century. There is a long way to go, but at least progress has started.

          • BiggJ

            And I understand that. It’s getting better but won’t be optimal until something changes. China is pretty much set up to be a manufacturing country. They are set up to make things other countries invent. And that’s how the government likes it. And usually all the real talent in china goes overseas anyway.

          • Kai

            You do understand that this is how countries have economically developed throughout history, right? It’s even simplified as a basic concept in Sim City.

            Japan, Taiwan, Korea, they all started with industrial manufacturing and were ridiculed for being nothing more than manufacturers for others, stealing technology, and having no creativity of their own. Look where those three are now. China is, to a large extent, trying to do the same thing, except it’s a far larger country and population. It’s important to remember that the governments and political systems of these countries have all been accused of being historically repressive, nationalistic and not exactly paragons of warm fuzzy liberal democracy.

            All of these countries and societies experienced major historical setbacks that neither the United States or Canada, their homelands isolated as they were from major world wars, have experienced.

            Japan, atom-bombed and exhausted, recovered with American aid. South Korea, a land still divided with artillery pointed at their heads, also benefited from American aid and a healthy dose of nationalism and as much protectionism as they could get away with. Taiwan, itself a rag-tag band of ousted rulers and refugees, relied on martial law and purges but with American aid to become the country it is today, though still struggling with being an OEM instead of having developed its own brands.

            I get that you want to pin China’s current state on maybe the CCP government, or maybe on the inherent quality/nature of the people itself, as others have done. You just need to acknowledge that it may be a gross oversimplification and ultimately not an entirely accurate explanation for why things are the way they are. Things are the way they are for a combination of reasons that people can and can’t help, and you already know this if you think about it. It’s just like how rich privileged children often have more real-world opportunities than those of poor disadvantaged children. Their education and choices matter, but so did their environment.

            It was wrong for the Chinese to look down on the Europeans when they were on top, so it’s also wrong for Westerners to look down on the Chinese. Canada did not spring into existence out of nothing. It descended like all things from everything that came before it and benefited from both geopolitics and its own policies just as much as China has suffered from geopolitics and its own policies. It just isn’t that simple, and history has too many lessons of hubris. For example, just how many fields that Canada is more advanced in compared to China are fields that Canada can legitimately say they created and pioneered? Or are those attributable to other countries? Isn’t Canada then just copying and learning from others too? Building on what others built? Does that really detract from Canada’s own accomplishments and subsequent contributions? Does it mean Canada won’t become a pioneer one day?

            Absolutely not. Same for China, and a discussion of whether it will or not would be incomplete without acknowledging the historical circumstances it finds itself in, just as it would be without acknowledging its choices and policies. I think Jobjed is acknowledging your point, but are you acknowledging his?

            Just to be clear, what I’m saying isn’t in response to just you but many other comments as well.

          • Jobjed

            I think it’s my fault…. I had a brain short circuit so I somehow typed “half a century” instead of “half a millennium”. My bad.

          • maja

            indeed many results are coming, and in most situations the foreing intervention is nothing but a stimulus to Chinese enterprises, but criticism of the party is neither “for” or “against” this progress.
            I understand it may be considered subversive and everything to write something explcit about the power structure of the country, but I’m not sure at all the new generations will want to accept such a strict control on their lives and if the exams system isn’t somehow overhauled I fear many brilliant people wont’t get the opportunity to study. right now China is still kind of closed to foreign investments, even if it seems absurd I believe so, but if you “love your country” as much as it seems, you should not understimate the foreigners’ brilliant people and the advantages of (relatively) free speech.

          • SuperHappyCow

            probably because a country’s age is not synonymous with the age of their technology. it’s not like when america was fabricated it started from the bronze age, genius

          • Knowledge and enlightenment entered our brains so fast from stone age to the information age, in just 200 to 300 years, that we suffered massive headaches and mental torment. This explains the large amounts of aspirin and anti-depressants we have to take.

          • BiggJ

            You’re missing the point. He said that for 50 years there was halt in scientific progress. And I was making the point that time does not matter. It’s the government and education that counts.

          • Kai

            I don’t think he is. Your point is valid, but it’s incomplete. Jobjed is just pointing out that there is more to it: History and geopolitics. He’s not saying “time matters”, he’s saying “history matters”.

            Whereas Jobjed invoked China having been on the top of the world for 15 out of 20 centuries to articulate his point of how history and geopolitics can affect where a country is today, you invoked Canada’s less than 200 years to juxtapose where Canada is today with where China is today based on length of existence.

            SHC is correct in simply saying that number is actually pretty meaningless. A nation-state’s “age” ultimately has very little to do with its current situation. Countries the world over have progressed or declined in short time periods, and stagnated over long time periods for reasons that have nothing to do with how long their “nation” has existed as a concept.

          • BiggJ

            That’s what im saying….Age has baring on how much or fast a country can develop. But also history does not magically hinder someones intelligents or creativity. But education can halt that and how thier own government wants their citizens to be. If America adopted china’s policies and said they need 95% of our population to work in factories putting things together and taught in school that to ask questions was wrong and this is the answer and you don’t need to ask why….well inovation would go right to shit. A lot of people blame the past for their problems but the past is not today. Today is the here and now. All that matters is what you do from today on.

            Anyway I have to change the sails on my boat. I’ll respond to the other things later. I got some fishing/whale watching to do this afternoon. :)

          • Kai

            Er, I’m saying age has no bearing on how fast a country can develop. Did you mean to include a “no” in there?

            No one is saying history magically hinders anyone’s intelligence or creativity. But history does affect things like governments and educational policies. How many war veterans never got a chance to go to college? Why is it that more people are going to college now than in the past? “History” just means “things that happened that influenced how things are now”.

            Education in the US used to have a lot in common with education in China as we stereotype it. It has changed, but it is because of how the country has changed. I’m like you, I think there should be more emphasis on creativity and problem-solving in China’s general educational curriculum and system. I think that’s a good thing and more useful in real life for most people’s futures than the relatively high emphasis on rote-memorization in China (and the other East Asian countries).

            But I don’t think the education system in China is the way it is because the government consciously wants to mold people into factory assembly line workers.

            Innovation may go to shit but its not like the vast majority of the US population are particularly innovative or involved in innovation. The vast majority of people are still clocking in and out based on doing a certain number of things repeatedly that don’t require much creativity or innovation at all. What I’m trying to say is that I think this difference of creativity and conformity in education and the reasons behind the difference gets a bit overstated in discussions like these.

            There’s a difference between blaming the past and acknowledging the past. You have to know history to learn from it. Even with something like colonialism or the Sino-Japanese war, it irks me when someone overstates them as the definitive reason why China is where it is today and accords all the blame onto those things. No, those were factors and blameworthy, but there comes a time where one has to realize that one also bears some responsibility for “allowing” oneself to be colonized and invaded. Concepts of nationalism and “national shame” often sprout from this, and when taken too far.

            The past matters, that’s all I think Jobjed is saying and I agree with him. I agree that changes can be made today. I hope for them and I also recognize them when I see them. I don’t think its wrong to acknowledge that there are consequences, inertia, and that people are notoriously resistant to change as well.

            Wow, you have a boat (changed your profile picture too)? That’s pretty cool, and I’m jealous. Okay, not really, cuz I don’t really care for the sea. Jaws traumatized me as a kid, and I hate seafood. But I’m jealous in a Dexter Morgan kind of way.


          • BiggJ

            Sure the past does matter as long as you let it. You have to learn from the past but you can’t let it control you. And you hear that a lot in china about Japan and opium wars and so on. Ok, shit happens. You got to move on. You can’t dwell on it.It would be every time something bad went wrong in my country I would blame Germany..I’m sure some people would but it’s only a very small % of the population.

            You don’t think education is set up in china to make the majority of people easier to control and thus easier to get them to do monotonous jobs without question? For example if your taught to question things and problem solve working on a production line would drive you crazy. And make you more likely to strive for a job not doing that or kill yourself. But if you taught never question authority and subjects that are definite right and wrong answers and tons of work that is just pretty much connect the dot formula…..it make the mind easier to cope with factory kind of work. It won’t effect everyone, but it effects enough. That’s just what I think..only my opinion.

            Yeah I just bought the boat a few weeks ago. It’s pretty awesome, I was going to sail it down to the Caribbean in a month or so but I’m not sure yet. That’s a long journey from Nova Scotia to the Caribbean. I need another person to help me and my wife don’t want to do it. I want to sail it down there and stay for a weeks island hopping and then just rent a slip at marina for the winter and fly back. And then next year do the opposite and sail back to Nova Scotia….but shes too scared of ocean. I could do it myself but with another person would be easier. It’s nice though, 28 foot catalina, sleeps 4. It has propane stove, toilet all kinds of stuff. The guy I got it from took real good care of it. He wanted 12,000 but I got him down to 9,500 plus it comes with a trailer to haul it. yeah today never seen a whale or caught a fish haha. It was fun though drinking and talking though. Even got a little swim in…..Although i’m still waiting for balls to thaw out. haha

          • Kai

            Not letting the past control is an ideal, something we promote in society as an aspiration. In real life, we know it isn’t that easy. That’s why there are words like “habit” and “inertia”. I think by now you’ve acknowledged the point Jobjed was making and that I was trying to make clear. If we’re on the same page now that the way people or countries are today are products of the choices they have made AND by the things that happened TO them (often as a result of choices made by OTHERS), then we’re good.

            I think your remarks on Chinese education are closer to conspiracy theory than truth. It’s approaching the notion that the fat, salt, and sugar content of modern processed foods is intentional, because governments and corporations want to make the population more docile. That may be true if you’re a Leviathan in Supernatural. In the real world, there’s a more mundane reason.

            Only time I went sailing on a boat like that was right out of college with my coworkers and manager at the time. All we did was just sail around and drink beer out of coozies. I could see the appeal, even with the warnings that the boom was liable to knock our heads clean off our shoulders if we weren’t careful. That said, I can’t really see myself getting into that sort of thing since I prefer to blow my money on cars instead of boats. But like I said, it’s definitely got a sort of lifestyle appeal to it. Not everyone can say “I’m gonna sail down to the Carribean for the winter!” That’s pretty awesome.

          • BiggJ

            The chinese education thing was just my thoughts on it. It’s what I would do if I ran china. Like if I ran a country were I need a shit ton of manual labor at factories and exporting my education would reflect that. Why teach free thought in school when that’s not what china thrives on? Just something to think about.

            I hear ya about blowing money on cars. I do the same thing. But there is only so much you do. I drive a 2009 ford expedition and my wife use to drive a 2005 civic, We sold that this year and bought a 2005 chrysler 300. I drive that car more then I do my own now. I love it. Very nice driving car and it’s very clean looking. I’m not much of an accessory kind of guy when it come to cars but I did buy a bentley style grill for it. Just need some new rims but don’t really care about that.

            I like boating for the nice breeze and the freedom of it. It’s kind of like RV’in on the water. Nova Scotia is great for sailing. If never lived there I would not have bought a boat. But living on a peninsula is pretty sweet. Only thing is most of the year it’s too cold to swim…well pretty much all year and the winter is no fun to sail. Fishing is always fun to me though. Some people hate it but I just love it. I also like the danger in sailing, I know that sounds weird but it’s a rush sometimes.

            Oh I have pic on my pc of my wife’s car after I put the grill on it. Pretty sweet.:) With a nice set of rims that would set that car right off.

          • Kai

            Maybe that should be a game concept incorporated into Sim Societies?

            I think when you’re thinking in terms of “why teach free-thought in school when that’s not what China thrives on” gets too close to rationalizing why one ought to feel better about oneself relative to China/Chinese than it is actually thinking about why China’s education system is the way it is. I think it is the way it is because of historical inertia (or some people would say “Confucian ideology/culture”) and socioeconomic circumstance. Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, and Japan all share very similar education methods and norms, especially when you compare them based when they had similar socioeconomic conditions. Even now, people from these countries are still stereotyped as collectivist, conformist, and lacking in free-thinking creativity. Yet I’d say they’ve done quite well for themselves. I think when (or if) China can get its huge population to socioeconomic conditions closer to these much smaller countries, you’ll see China’s education develop in similar ways as these other countries have. That’s my thinking on this, which I think is based more on actual real-world historical trends than national/cultural exceptionalism.

            LoL, about cars, there is quite a lot you can do if you’re willing to blow the money, which I was regrettably guilty when I was young. I modded cars, kept a “practical” and a “fun” car when both were quite fun, progressed to motorcycles. My insurance was terrifying.

            The 300 is a nice looking car, because it has a certain heft to it, where the car looks substantial and solid. I guess some would say it looks manly and aggressive. I don’t like where they went with the headlights in later years though but your model year is still okay, and I always liked the Dodge Magnum variant more.

            I wasn’t a big fan of SUVs like the Expedition in the past but I can appreciate some of the luxury SUVs these days. They can be quite nice. Still, I think I’d still get a truck over an SUV. Cheaper, way more practical. I always had a–perhaps unfair–bias against SUVs because a lot of people drove the gas guzzlers because it made them feel safer than the minivans that they were actually using them as. These people started an arms race, where people would get ever bigger cars to feel safer relative to other people getting bigger cars. It struck me as a sort of selfish madness. Shrug.

            It kinda depends on the roads and terrain you’re going to be using your car on, but I always felt most cars benefit greatly in the looks department from just a reasonably lowered suspension (not slammed) and a nice set of wheels (rims). Wheels and tires can be a costly mod though. But it gives the biggest bang for your buck in terms of making the car stand out versus the other showroom stock cars on the road. I used to be into performance modding but that’s probably all I’d do with my cars now.

            Yeah, I can totally see boating as an RV for the water. And it’s a lot more stylish than an RV! Can’t say I care for fishing or can identify with the rush of dangerous sailing though. I’m sure one day when I’m old, I’ll have to make some friends who like to go sailing so I can exploit them for novelty.

          • BiggJ

            Yeah it was a toss up between a truck and an SUV. If SUV’s never has a hitch…I would get a truck instead.They both have their perks. I never buy anything new, Always buy used. 3 of my uncles are mechanics and 1 has has a little shop in my hometown so he does all my repairs, I get pretty good family discount. lol. When I bought the expedition it was either that or a 2007 F250 diesel or a 2006 Lincoln navigator. But the expedition was a private sale and other 2 where from used car lots. But what really set it off what the expedition was the “king ranch” edition. This things interior is beautiful. Drives like the dream and so comfortable. Comfort is my biggest thing. I need something thats feels good to drive. Like my wifes old car had bucket seat and to drive for an hour in this thing was hell….I’m too tall and stocky. when I drive my expedition its like im sitting in a layzboy chair or something. Almost comfortable enough to fall asleep lol. But you are right rims are the best thing to put on a cosmetically. Problem is they are just so fucking expensive for a nice set of rims. I’ve never put a set of new rims on any of my cars ever. the 300 is the only car I ever really considered putting custom rims on. The stock ones dont look like shit..

            You are right a lot has to do with where you live when it come to choices of cars. The roads by my house are shit, All they do is fill the holes in with asphalt. They have never repaved it. They just keep doing minor repairs to it. Then I need to go 4km down a dirt road to get to my house.Which is always full of potholes. And in the spring it gets soft and mudddy. It sucks. Worth it though, I live next to a lake without any neighbors. Even driving the 300 to my house sometimes it bottoms out or the front bumper scrapes.

            You mentioned you like motorbikes. Yeah I like them too but I don’t have one. Where I live is not good for them.But yeah it’s nice going like 150km/h down a highway. lol. I have a 450 honda foreman 4 wheeler but it’s 13 years old lol. Still works good and you can use it all year round. I got chased by the cops on that thing at least 5 times lol. They never get me though haha. You can drive them on dirt roads but on pavement it’s illegal. And there is a little store kind of close to my house to buy like smokes and soda, chips whatever and I take that sometimes to go there, But I need to go on the pave for like 3 or 4 km. And I never wear a helmet lol. There are all kind of little tractor roads branching off the main road I can get on to get away. hahah. They can’t chase me down them,

            So what kind of car do you have? And do you live in China in a city? Just curious what kind of conditions you have to drive in. You ever watch “The dukes of Hazzard”? haha That’s kind of like the environment I have to drive in.

          • Kai

            I’ve purchased two cars new but have since become all about buying used as well.

            LoL, you’re starting to sound like the stereotypical fat American who wants their car to be rolling couch. I appreciate comfort but I guess I’m still young enough and a gearhead that I like sports cars that hug the road and appreciate bucket seats that keep me from sliding around during a nice curve.

            The design of the stock wheels on the 300 are okay, but they’re just too small for a car that size. I wouldn’t go overboard with 22s or something, but I think 18-20s would look right. You’ll need to lower it so the wheel-gap (gap between the top of the tire and the bottom edge of the wheel well/fender) isn’t disproportionately large. While all this would make the car look awesome, you’ll take a hit in the ride comfort. Lowered suspension is usually stiffer suspension and larger wheels means less tire sidewall flex so the ride is going to be a lot harsher with more of the imperfections of the road being transmitted up into your spine.

            But hey, compromises, right? Depends what you value. I’m willing to sacrifice some comfort for a ride I can smile at just looking at it. Heh.

            But you don’t live in a place where that would make sense. If you have a dirt road to your house, I probably wouldn’t even buy a regular car like a 300 and just stick to trucks and cars with some off-road capability like SUVs or certain crossovers, especially if that dirt road gets muddy and soft. I’m imagining a 300 spinning its wheels stuck in the mud.

            I like that you’re the ballsy type who has tried and successfully outran the cops. It’s wrong and all, but as a gearhead, it’s one of the irrational fantasies I can identify with. I have a sport bike, a crotch-rocket, an 04 Yamaha R6. It’s the only car I still have except for my Subaru WRX but that’s largely been taken over by my younger brother, and it has, well, seen better days when it was in my care. I don’t have crap in Shanghai except for an electric moped I bought off a former contributor to cS after he moved back to the States on a whim. I used to think I’d die without having a car (because it gives me a sense of freedom and release — I’d go for a drive just to relax) but living in downtown Shanghai makes having a car more of a nuisance than a convenience and benefit. I probably won’t get a car until I move back to the States.

            Your lifestyle totally sounds idyllic, a very big contrast with living in an urban jungle, which I like and find exciting in its own way. Grass is always greener sort of thing.

          • SuperHappyCow

            I’m sick of your shit, BIGGJ. *flips table*

            *forgets that he was standing on said table and dies*

          • Mighty曹

            Damn, America is fabricated. I’ve been living in a hoax!

          • krak
          • Jobjed

            Haven’t you been following the news? Thanks to Snowden, we now have confirmation that the US has the world’s most active hacking program. Now why don’t you stop pretending you have the moral high-ground and instead accept that espionage is an inevitable part of international relations?

          • Gaokao2013

            LOLOL. You know that’s not true… China BY FAR is most active in infiltration VIA hacking. With around 50% of viruses/malicious code being produced in China this isn’t surprising….

          • wacky

            and why not, like he said there espionage is an inevitable part of international relation, all of the countries are in the state on unconventional warfare now.
            so even if not a single bullet has been shot it doesnt mean that the world is in peace.

          • Kai

            You’ve got to be joking. China’s a player, as it should be given its size and geopolitical status, but there should be no question that the US has the most advanced and potentially dangerous cyberespionage and cyberwarfare capabilities, just like its military. “By far” is a joke and willful ignorance. Plus, the vast majority of viruses and malicious code produced in China is for pretty mundane economic fraud and corporate espionage. Surely you don’t think the Chinese are the only people who are greedy and willing to steal? Have you forgotten the history of mankind?

          • Dr Sun

            oh come on Chinese culture and technology stopped advancing when the first Emperor Qin said “stop, we have reached the top , this what it is to be Chinese and no change is necessary’.
            Since that time the Chinese have resisted or just simply ignored any attempts at cultural change, educational change, etc…. Now that they need technology they just steal from others and copy it..
            Mao tried to change it, his time, his dream lasted a very short time, now we are back to the past, doing things the “Chinese way” as directed to by the first emperor the new emperor CPC is quite happy doing it the old way.,

          • flabergasted

            Are you really trying to say that the chinese haven’t invented anything since 226 BC? How fucking ignorant are you?

          • Mighty曹

            He didn’t say they haven’t invented ‘anything’. He said the culture and technology ‘stopped advancing’. I think there is a fine line there.

          • wacky

            what does it mean by stop advancing??

          • Mighty曹

            An invention does not necessarily advance a culture or technology.

          • Jerry

            Have you ever heard of Buddhism? It was adopted in China well after the fall of the Qin dynasty.

          • Dr Sun

            Are you just trying to be stupid or what ?

            Buddhism in China is as about as culturally meaningful as Christmas day

          • Justin

            hmmm…that’s funny that you think the Qin Dynasty was the high-water mark for Chinese society, considering it went through several Golden Ages afterward and before the Opium War, it was the top economic and technological power in the world, which is why the British tried to force opium down their throats to overcome the trade deficit. You obviously don’t know jack shit about shit and Dr. Sun Yat-Sen would be appalled by your use of his image.

          • What a way to badmouth the Manchu’s.

            They introduced China to “the button”, fer cryin’ out loud. Also, they gave China it’s rockin’ most facial hair setup.

          • Can’t remember my username

            And the Qipao… Mmmmmm qipao

          • Shiza, I forgot about the qipao, the solitary modern fashionable piece of clothing in des Chines.

            “In the Mood for Love” may have made it elegant with Maggie’s neck, but “Flowers of War” made it completely bootylicious. There are so many ass shots in that movie you’re wondering why Father John didn’t fix his truck to include hydraulics.

          • BiggJ

            Why can’t you see it’s your own people who hold you back?

          • Marcus Black

            They lack one crucial thing. That is creativity. Anyone can study 20 hrs a day and get A+ in all their subject but they lack something that makes people like Steve Jobs or Einstein or any other great inventor great. And that is creativity which comes not from intensive studying to ace your exams but from exploration of what you’re passionate about. Also people in china tend to care less about quality and more about quantity because they only care about making as much money as possible in the quickest time. They may have absolutely no passion in what they do.

          • Mighty曹

            Accurate statement.

          • It’s not that Chinese lack creativity. It’s that creativity isn’t encouraged. The safe, “cover your own ass” brand of living is the way to go.

            From Wikipedia INCLUDING CITATION:

            “The founder and chairman, Huateng “Pony Ma” Ma, famously said, “[To] copy is not evil.” A former CEO and President of SINA.com, Wang Zhidong, said, “Pony Ma is a notorious king of copying.” Jack Ma of Alibaba Group stated, “the problem in Tencent is no innovation; all things are copies.”[54]

            If you didn’t know: Pony Ma is among the most successful people in China. And he couldn’t have done it without everyone else’s help.

          • Kai

            Jobs said the same thing about Gates. Jobs himself was accused of copying Xerox. Some people are creators, others are iterators, and some are capable of building massive profitable companies on the creations and iterations of others. That’s life.

          • Like how a website can be referenced by several reputable news sources, and yet take no steps to validate the information that it publishes, even after being corrected? That’s life.

            PS Don’t know about Pony Ma (who sounds like a bag of laughs), but Jobs was one bad boss. To work for, that is. The upcoming biopic about him will likely be somewhat similar to Zhang Yimou’s “Hero”.

          • Kai

            Terroir, you were a contributor to this site at one point in time and while you may have changed your thoughts and feelings on the site since then, I don’t really understand why you’re simultaneously trying to knock us for an editorial policy you already know and understand while repeatedly finding opportunities to plug your own website. It seems dishonest to me.

            Did you not notice that the NetEase article itself said it was based on a netizen’s report? And that “the source and authenticity of this incident has yet to be verified”? You’re upset that Angie didn’t explicitly say in her own words that the story was a rehash of an old one? That she didn’t edit her post to include an acknowledgement praising you for “debunking” a story that explicitly said it was unverified?

            I understand you’re critical of cS being part of a game of telephone because we think the game of telephone is interesting but you’re feigning ignorance here and I’m not sure if it is because you have beef with the site, me, or Fauna. Apart from the site, and as far as I can tell, Fauna and I have gone out of our way to be nice to you out of basic respect. What gives?

          • Gauis

            Definitely dishonest but consistent.

          • So: my appraisal of cS of being dishonest is refuted by your (continued) appraisal of me being dishonest? And this makes it okay?

            About my site: if you don’t want me to mention it, I won’t. Your rules here. I bring it up when it is relevant. Links for for citing facts and opinions too long to post here.

            Once upon a time, you’d be concerned with having a proper story. “Oh, that’s not really the case? We’ll update the story.” No more. If I was, you know, a real reporter, maybe I could debunk this story too. But as you say: it’s about the “game of telephone”. The phenomenon.

            I, too, am interested in the game of telephone. By these statements I call out for a responsibility for factual information; if by this cS gets bruised, it isn’t because I don’t repsect you/cS, it’s because cS is the telephone. You aren’t a commentary upon the state of media in China, you are it.

            “Couple Falls to Death” – debunked by me and the Global Times (uh). And yet, the comments continue to poor in regarding “Darwin awards” and other hateful speech. The difference from other stories where people make dumb and hateful comments upon news stories (“Woman Driver Kills Self, Husband”) is that now they are doing it upon speculative, unverified information.

            As the telephone, you’re encouraging this. You provide the context for this – a virtual backdrop from which to hang real contempt and vitriol. You can’t just wash your hands of it and say, “Hey everybody, we’re just reporting what is real and popular upon the net” because you are it. The phone is you.

            It all leads to my belief that you have a bigger problem with me than racists, hate mongers and trolls.

            Personal note: though you think me dishonest, Kai, I still think you’re a great guy. If this was “Kai’s cS” and you’d write stories with your Kai perspective, well that would be something. But it isn’t. Instead, you’re a mod who has to explain an editorial policy that is below the comments that you write.

            For my part, I’ll try not to write these comments. I have before, and where did it lead us? We’re not the great pals the buddy-cop movie wants us to be.

          • Kai

            No, your appraisal of cS being dishonest is refuted by my demonstration that we weren’t being dishonest. Our editorial mission is to translate stuff that gets attention on the Chinese internet. Angie did that. Our editorial mission is to accurate translate that stuff. Angie did that. The NetEase article said the story was from a netizen and it wasn’t verified. Angie translated that.

            You can’t “debunk” something that itself said it may not be true. You can’t call someone “dishonest” if they accurately translated something when they said you they would.

            About your site, we actually think you do mention it when it is relevant and we appreciate that. It falls within our rules. What irks us is how you’re feigning ignorance about what we do in order to make criticisms you know to be unfair WHILE exploiting our site for personal gain and self-promotion. THAT’s what we think is dishonest. Fauna is baffled by why you’ve become like this. She thought you were a nice decent guy but you’ve increasingly become something of a dick to us.

            “Once upon a time”? Are you serious? Please go ahead and link us to enough examples to indicate that there was a standard with which we used to do things that suddenly stopped.

            Review cS’s history of posts enough and you’ll know we rarely, if ever, have updated a post on the basis of what was translated turning out to be untrue. There have been tons of instances where grammar, spelling, or formatting has been corrected and there have been instances where the translator has preemptively added clarifications, explanations, or context but very rarely do we subsequently update a post because some commenter decided they had “debunked” something.

            There are tons of translations of posts on cS where the facts and details presented in the article or posts we translated turned out to be inaccurate or wrong because they were reports of hearsay, rumors, opinion, or preliminary investigations. Why do you think we’ve had people complain about why we don’t do follow-ups on stories? We do them when the follow-ups trend, but not if they don’t. This is because our priority isn’t investigative journalism but about translating what’s popularly discussed and trending. Why should we apologize or think ourselves dishonest for honestly doing what we set ourselves out to do? You’re demanding we do something that isn’t our publicly-stated mission and calling us dishonest for it? Are you serious?

            There’s a difference between wanting cS to do something and unfairly accusing us of being “dishonest” because of you unreasonably expecting that something. When we fail to live up to our stated mission, criticism of that can be valid. Criticism of us not living up to demands you project onto us, disregarding what you know to be our stated mission, is not.

            And I have to stress once again, Angie’s translation of the NetEase article itself disclaimed itself. It WAS factual. It factually referenced where they heard the story and factually disclaimed that it hasn’t been verified. What is there for us to update that wasn’t already included? Your argument boils down to wanting more disclaimers everywhere, more warning labels, because you’re afraid of people not being as smart as you.

            Yes, people are making comments on unverified information. How is that different from many other translations in our history? How is that different from comments on the vast majority of stuff on the internet or in the real world?

            We’re ALL part of the game of telephone. If there is a difference between cS and other sites that you want us to be more like, it’s that we INTENTIONALLY aim for accuracy in transmission, not accuracy in content. Our goal is to make sure our translation is accurate, not that the information itself is accurate. We think this is interesting and has significance in of itself.

            If you don’t, that’s fine, but don’t play stupid and pretend you don’t understand what our goal is. Don’t be a dick and then accuse us of being “dishonest” for it.

            We have never passed ourselves off as commentary on the state of media in China. We allow our comments to have commentary on the state of media in China. We in fact aim to have as little commentary in our posts as possible precisely because our mission is to be a telephone, a language-translating telephone.

            You want to make commentary on the state of Chinese media? Go for it. You already have. That is what your website is about. We want cS to be a place where people can form their own conclusions and figure things out on their own or through discussion, and not because we’re arrogantly soon-feeding them what they ought to think. We can do that in other places, but we don’t want cS to be that sort of site. We think there is an appealing purity in our posts being just translating and minimal editorializing.

            I get that you NOW think that’s encouraging “real contempt and vitriol”. I get that you think YOU can explain things and “overcome the misunderstanding between China and the West through cross-cultural understanding using proper contextual analysis of societal customs and traditions”. I’ve felt and can feel the same way. That’s why I comment. That’s why Stan Abrams, Charles Custer and I made our own commentary site that was GFW’d. But that’s not what cS is about and I respect it for that. I don’t think there’s only one way to interpret what cS does or that one by-product of its existence should define its existence or negate everything else it produces. The existence of cS encourages hate and vitriol in some, but it also helps others learn more about China and the Chinese, fostering greater identification and understanding. We believe the latter outweighs the former. We’ve never pretended the former doesn’t happen. Where is our dishonesty?

            You think we’re washing our hands of any culpability in saying that. No, we’re just defending ourselves against subjective accusations we consider inaccurate or unfair. I feel like I’m having the same argument with Rusty, the pseudo-Chinese nationalist who wants to get us censored out of China and thrown into gulags. Just because you interpret what we do and what our site is one way doesn’t mean that’s what it is to us or to others. It doesn’t mean there is only one valid interpretation and only one product. There’s description and then there is projection. You can describe what the site is to you, but accusing us of dishonesty is you projecting your interpretation onto us. Is that right? It’s human, sure, but YOU are not that stupid. Or at least you shouldn’t be.

            I also get that you think what you’re doing on your website is “better” with regards to what you care about and want to achieve than what we do on cS. But like I said above, maybe you care about different things, or we care about the same things but in different ways and believe there are different but wholly valid methods for achieving the same goals. You can dislike our way, but an accusation of “dishonesty” requires a certain context and burden of proof to be valid. I don’t see where you’re meeting it. I instead see you too often disingenuously taking pot-shots at us.

            I don’t believe you’re so stupid as to not know what we believe and value in what we do. What is dishonest is you accusing us of dishonesty, because you know we’re not being dishonest in what we do and we’re only guilty of doing things differently from you.

            I personally have a bigger problem with intellectually dishonest people than honestly stupid people. Most racists, hate mongers, and trolls are honestly stupid people. The damage they cause is often offset by the example they serve. I have a problem with you because you know better but you’re willfully being a dick to us. You have progressed from simply disagreeing with our site to making it personal with accusations of dishonesty. Like I said, what gives? You KNOW better.

            I don’t think cS’s editorial policy is below the comments I write. I’m open-minded enough to find appeal and value in it. It doesn’t always result in what I’d like, but I don’t think it requires being thrown out or changed. Traditional journalism prides itself on reporting just the facts. It has an ideal. cS prides itself on just translating. That’s it’s ideal and I can respect it. I respect cS’s editorial policy even if it doesn’t result in everything being sunshine and rainbows. You can’t live your life trying to please everyone in every way.

            No, we’re not great pals though I’ve tried my best to be nice to you and let our disagreements be bygones because I think you’re quite intelligent and have a lot of potential. I try not to let your irksome actions get in the way of appreciating your intelligence and often humorous mastery of pop culture trivia, but I think you’ve more or less rebuffed my civility and willingness to meet you halfway because you’ve made your mind up about me. That’s unfortunate but that’s life. Some people just don’t get along and maybe it isn’t anyone’s fault, just a difference in values. Nonetheless, I think you have a lot to offer and at least I wanted to help you offer it to more people but it’s not going to happen because you don’t seem to respect us/cS enough to unfairly accuse us of being dishonest.

          • 21tigermike

            Forget about Steve Jobs or Einstein. We’re nowhere near there yet. Let’s start with ‘have an engaging group discussion with adults in a University setting’. Start there.

          • SuperHappyCow

            Anyone ever tell you that you’re not actually black?

          • Mighty曹

            A Black telling a Negro he’s not Black?

          • Marcus Black

            He’s just mad because i don’t fit the stereotype of black people being dysfunctional and anti-intellectual. This is what they say when you don’t embrace their culture of degradation. I have been pointing a mirror at their faces on worldstarhiphop to show them how dysfunctional they are. But it seems they’re mentally still slaves…

          • Mighty曹

            Hey don’t knock WS. (haha) I comment there occasionally (for entertainment, of course). But back to the issue here. I think you have a valid point and when you break out of a stereotype you will be labeled as a ‘hero’ or ‘traitor’. You have a monumental task at hand to convince the non-believers. The best way is to lead by example and you seem to be doing that.

            SuperHappyCow, what’s your take?

          • SuperHappyCow

            He’s a fake and a troll.

          • Can’t remember my username

            Yeah, yeah.. blame the West, it’s the laowai’s fault China fell behind and is and turning into a toxic dump. It’s never the fault of the Chinese or their repressive governments. What an original thought. Excuse me, I feel the need to vomit.

            Perhaps you need to read the above essay again to see why China has problems?

            “China was top of the world for 15 of the past 20 centuries.” That’s simply untrue. The only time China has ever been clearly on top of the world in terms of technology and development was for one century during the Yuan Dynasty. Oh wait, that’s when China was part of the Mongol Empire.

          • Mighty曹

            Jobjed is still high on the opium introduced by the ‘red hair devil’.

          • Can’t remember my username

            Yes, I blame gingers too, they have a lot to answer for. This Qing dynasty depiction of a British sailor devil is quite an accurate representation of both mine and my Chinese brothers feelings about rangas.

          • Mighty曹

            LOL! Very disturbing depiction.

          • wacky

            China was top of the world for 15 of the past 20 centuries.” That’s
            simply untrue. The only time China has ever been clearly on top of the
            world in terms of technology and development was for one century during
            the Yuan Dynasty. Oh wait, that’s when China was part of the Mongol

            cite your source please, as far as i know the high point of chinese technology was during the song dynasty not the yuan dynasty

          • Can’t remember my username

            So in regard to the OPs comment, you are saying the Southern Song Dynasty was more technologically and socially advanced than the Mongol Yuan and was also on top of the world and the Mongol Yuan Dynasty wasn’t?

            Now I’m off to Shanghai to watch the Rugby. Who do think will win wacky, the Wallabies or the Lions? I would say your input would be much more valuable in predicting the outcome of rugby matches than in your attempt to shift the burden of proof.

          • wacky

            the high point of chinese civilization as far as i know was song dynasty not mongol yuan dynasty,

            what does on the top of the world you are talking about?????
            if you are not answering my question please dont post some craps here.

          • BigCAD

            I think C.R.M.U’s point is best represented by the image below, George North being the ‘sinister’ western powers is carrying the ball of progress forward, with E man in yellow, representing the yellow man along for the ride, thus piggy backing off the culture doing the heavy lifting.

            We will be back next week to smash the convicts and take the series.

          • Can’t remember my username

            +1. Game on next weekend! Hangzhou Vineyard for me. Around 40 kuai for happy hour pints of Long Island Iced Teas… Mmmmm Long Island Iced Tea.

          • BigCAD

            Vineyard, Ellen’s, reggae, Burton’s, Eurdora or the ShamCock?

          • Can’t remember my username

            Ellen’s doesn’t show the rugby but have, from recollection as I was too drunk to recollect, 50 kuai gin ice buckets. Probably Vineyard for the big screen.

          • Paul Schoe

            Great picture. Thanks for the post.

          • Can’t remember my username

            “what does on the top of the world you are talking about?????”

            It was in reply to jobhead’s comment. Fuck all to do with you. I have no interest in conversing with a nationalist troll.

          • Jobjed

            When the hell did I mention anything about the West, Whites or non-Asians in general? The foreigners which I was referring to were pre-Qing Manchus; who were foreigners before they became sinicised, or assimilated so to speak.

            As for your assertion that China was only a technological leader during the Yuan dynasty, well, I have only one thing to say about you; there’s no cure for stupidity.

          • Can’t remember my username

            “When the hell did I mention anything about the West, ”


            “China was top of the world for 15 of the past 20 centuries. Repressive foreign conquerors coupled with a rising West doomed China to fall behind and be exploited.”

            “As for your assertion that China was only a technological leader during the Yuan dynasty, well, I have only one thing to say about you; there’s no cure for stupidity.”

            Awww how cute a gormless insult.

            Perhaps you like to give examples of these so-called top of the world for 15 of the past 20 centuries.” What an absolute joke of comment. Honestly, I’ve some rubbish on this site, but that statement is so retarded it’s actually verging on funny.

            If you’d like to believe that nationalistic bullshit and try to sprout off that Chinese have been superior than everyone else in the world for 1500 years, you should have enough decency to provide some evidence rather than sprout shit.

          • Thor

            You missed the point of both the essay and xioade’s comment. It’s not a matter of technological advance but one of wealth repartition, behaviour and way of life.

          • Jobjed

            I wasn’t replying in response to the essay though. I was replying in response to the allegation that the Communist Party is afraid of smart people. The essay was witty and not deserving of zero marks, but the comment certainly is.

          • xiaode

            Let me give you example for the Highs_Speed trains:
            CRH1 = Bombardier Regina, Sweden
            CRH2 = Hitachi/Kawasaki Shinkansen E2 Series, Japan
            CRH3 = Siemens ICE3, German
            CRH5 = Alstom Pendolino

            All based on foreign technology… And because a friend of mine is working for a Train manufacturer in China, I also know lot´s of stories how this technology was “transferred”…

            ..this topic get´s much more interesting (and funny) if you are looking into the chinese automobile market….

          • Jobjed

            Forgetting something? CRH380A maybe? Ever heard of that one? No? Well, I didn’t expect you to anyway.

          • xiaode

            sure I have… got the world record with > 480km/h… also based on some japanese technology… but i have to admit that i need to do some research to be sure about this…

          • Jobjed

            Stop BSing, the CRH2 was a direct copy of the E2 series because it was supposed to be. China signed a deal with Kawasaki for technology transfers and 60 trainsets.

            The CRH380A is a completely Chinese design, much more advanced than the E2 series. Kawasaki refused to supply China with core propulsion technologies so China had to develop it themselves. Based on the fact that the CRH380A reaches >480km, I would say they succeeded. In contrast, Japanese conventional rail has a 443km/h speed record using the best technology the Japanese can muster.

          • Dr Sun

            Chinese design or ripped off technology, it really doesn’t matter the things still fall off the rails and are now operating at much lower speeds.

          • Jobjed

            *Much* slower speeds? You mean like 50km/h slower? Speeds were reduced from 350km/h to 300km/h, a significant change but by no means *much* slower. The Wenzhou train disaster involved 200km/h class trains, not the CRH380s.

          • Dr Sun

            point of information the Hainan HST never exceeds 275km/h now, big difference to your exalted chest beating about 433 kmh, or your inflated claims of daily running speeds in excess of 300 kmh , a 75 km/h reduction from 350 is around a 1/5th reduction,- so, yes much slower.

          • Mighty曹

            In Chinese, ‘Develop’ = ‘Industrial espionage’

          • Boris

            Excited? Why do I get the feeling you typed that with one hand?

          • 21tigermike


        • Alex

          Haha like the computer procesors that were going to be made from scratch “Much better than the foreign ones”

          The invested shit loads of money, and in the end the guy just bought an Intel one, went to a nongmin worker and asked him to remove the Intel logos for a few kuai.

          Forgot his name, but he got caught

        • Alex

          Oh and don’t get me started on the new “3G” that China will make much better than anyone else. Ended up being the shity ones LianTong(China Mobile) has. hahahah ridiculous.

          • Kai

            How shitty it is is arguable. Betamax lost to VHS despite arguably being better. So China took a bet on trying to establish (and maintain) its own standard, and failed. It happens. HD-DVD lost to Blue-Ray despite Microsoft’s backing.

            China and Chinese people have done a lot of things we consider embarrassing and wrong, but in the grand scheme of things, is it really that different from what others have and may continue to do? I’m not saying don’t criticize these things, but sometimes people talk about them as if they were completely unfathomable. I wonder if some of these people still throw these insults at other famous countries historically guilty of such widespread behavior?

          • Mingtb

            I believe your argument is specious. Betamax, HD-DVD has nothing to do with the topic.

            What was being argued was that the PRC is not capable of creating high tech without the theft/copy of others intellectual property.

            The intellectual climate in the PRC does not allow the creativity and innovation that comes “naturally” in some Western countries.

            A case in point, many people were killed because live bullets were used during the Tian An Men student incident. It was not because the army wanted to kill them, but because the West had an embargo on riot and crowd control equipment and the PRC could not import any.

            Why couldn’t PRC creativity create its own version of riot and crowd control equipment?

            If the PRC was not so pompous, maybe people would give it some slack.

          • Kai

            I was responding to Alex’s comment that TD-SCDMA is “shitty”. Just because it wasn’t adopted by everyone else doesn’t mean it is necessarily “shitty”. That’s why I mentioned the histories of Betamax and HD-DVD, both standards that were arguably better in various ways than the standard that ultimately prevailed. I don’t think that’s a specious comment at all.

            I won’t use China Mobile’s 3G myself either, but there’s no real reason why I should call it “shitty” and then gleefully laugh. That seems strangely petty to me.

            Now, I understand some people are arguing that the PRC is not capable of creating high tech without theft/copy of others’ intellectual property. However, it isn’t “specious” to just comment on one aspect of someone else’s comment that I think warrants consideration from additional perspectives. Have you never commented on parts of a discussion?

            As a result, I’m not sure what your disagreement with me is. I’m also not really sure why you think the PRC didn’t have its own riot and crowd control equipment, or that it would’ve used them but couldn’t because they didn’t have them due to embargos and some physical or mental inability to create them. What’s the basis for this notion of yours? There are a lot more mundane reasons for the decisions made that night than your explanation of trade embargos and lack of creativity. Until you provide me with something persuasive for this notion, I think what you’re saying is a big stretch motivated more by wanting to say the PRC lacks creativity and innovation than it is a reflection of the real reasons behind what happened.

            Finally, I think the PRC can be pompous at times too. But then so are a lot of other nations. They all deserve censure for it. Going back to the topic though, I don’t think China is particularly pompous about its education system, and is regularly quite self-critical about it.

          • Mingtb

            I’ll try and make myself clear. The PRC is incapable of being creative or innovative in a major way because of its rigid cultural, educational, and social policies.

            I used the Tiananmen event as a case in point. China could have handled the situation better had it been allowed to import anti-riot and crowd-control equipment. Read “The Tiananmen Papers.”

            The PLA soldiers were inexperienced in crowd control. The Chinese police lacked riot-control training in managing crowds of 200,000 people. China had no riot-control equipment.

            Western countries refused Beijing request for riot-control equipment.

            The following companies are world exporters of anti-riot gear. Where were they before 1995?
            Zhejiang Rui’an Ganyu Protection Equipment Co.,Ltd anti-riot full-body armor suits
            NORINCO Equipment riot control equipment
            Nanxing Chemical riot control equipment
            Wenzhou Jinniu Alarm Device Co., Ltd.
            Beijing Anlong Group Riot Control Water Cannon Vehicle (3 cannons)

            It was only after 1995 that China was able to manufacture anti-riot equipment. Prior to that, China did not manufacture shields, batons, two-wheeled self-balancing scooter akin to a Segway, drone aircrafts, remote-controlled helicopters, night-vision goggles, anti-riot full-body armor suits, or water cannon vehicles. This technology was bought, copied, and pirated.

            Today, China exports anti-riot and crowd control equipment around the world.

            My point is that the PRC was not able to create, invent, or make this equipment on its own.

            The Tiananmen event could have had a different outcome had the PRC had proper crowd and riot-control equipment or the creativity to make it.

            Look around, today, China still has more than 180,000 protests each year, yet there have been no repeat “Tiananmen” incidents. That is because of the introduction of Western design crowd-control, anti-riot equipment.

            China currently spends $125 Billion Per Year On Riot Gear And ‘Stability Maintenance.’

            I’ll say it again, the PRC lacks creativity and innovation.

          • Kai

            China does have a lot of protests every year but they’re still of a very different nature and scale compared to Tiananmen. I don’t think it makes sense to suggest they don’t end up like Tiananmen simply because China has riot-control measures and equipment now.

            My disagreement with you is the causal link you’re arguing. I think it is overstated by itself and as a case in point to you general opinion, an opinion that I don’t necessarily disagree with. I too think the PRC lacks creativity and innovation especially relative to the success stories of certain other countries. I just don’t think it is that unique or hard to understand. You seem to understand the underlying reasons even if you might overstate them. Please understand that what I’m saying about the overall issue of creativity and innovation in China is not the opposite of “the PRC lacks creativity and innovation” nor “specious”.

            Going back to Tiananmen, I think “inexperience with crowd control” is a much more proximate reason for how Tiananmen unfolded than “lacking creativity to create their own riot gear”. That’s why I’m saying it is overstated. I think you’re overlooking how bringing in the military for a protest that large is quite similar to bringing in the National Guard because the police and even riot-police are insufficient. By all reports, there were police there, you know? They were there with the non-lethal measures they had, like clubs. They did have anti-riot gear and tear gas and the like, but they didn’t have enough of it for that many people. I’m not sure why you think they had nothing at all.

            Remember, it was Tiananmen that prompted the government to increase internal security spending and provisioning of equipment to police and security forces in China. You make it sound like they had nothing when they did, but not nearly enough for a situation that they didn’t expect and weren’t prepared for. It’s sad that they weren’t prepared for it, that less people might’ve been hurt had they been more prepared for it, but it’s still a stretch to wrangle this into a damning example about Chinese lack of creativity and innovation.

            In the lead up to the clearing of the square, both sides were trying to avoid confrontation and violence. The Tiananmen Papers itself conveys a sense of indecision about how to deal with the situation. You make it sound like they were planning to clear out the square for months, sat around yearning for riot-gear they could imagine needing but could not imagine producing on their own (especially from the equipment they already had but just in inadequate amounts of), getting rejected for orders of such by others, and ultimately throwing their hands up and saying, well, lethal force it is then.

            That wasn’t the case, dude. Your point of emphasizing that Tiananmen had the casualties and carnage it did based on Chinese inability to create, invent, or make riot gear is inaccurate and unpersuasive, at least until you can show me some direct evidence of such. By all accounts I know, the casualties and carnage were more directly a result of a sudden decision to clear out the square without adequate consideration to how much resistance they would encounter and the necessity to procure more riot-gear to minimize possible casualties due to resistance. It was unprecedented, and as you acknowledge, something the Chinese government rectified in its wake.

            Sure, China may have Western-designed crowd-control, anti-riot equpment now. Are you arguing they should’ve developed their own after realizing they needed it instead of taking the easy and faster route of just buying it from reputable producers? Should China adopt W-CDMA or develop its own TD-SCDMA?

            There are a lot better examples of Chinese lacking creativity and innovation than tenuously exploiting a tragedy like Tiananmen. I’d even argue that your Tiananmen example is more befitting of the accusation of “specious”. It sounds plausible and seems to make sense but it’s actually something of a fallacy, an overstatement of one detail that had far less proximate causality with the results you are trying to tie it to.

            Feel free to feel the PRC lacks creativity and innovation. Just don’t misunderstand what I’m saying.

          • Mingtb

            As a non-native English speaker, weren’t you taught that verbosity, logorrhea, and maundering combined with a supercilious manner does not contribute to good writing?

            Study the material below and come back to me when you finish.

            “Cut the Clutter: How to Write Clearly and Directly”
            Tips on writing clearly, correctly, and concisely in emails, letters, memos, and reports.
            Cut the Clutter: Five Tips

            An important step in the editing process is to cut out needless words–vague, repetitious, or pretentious language that can bore or confuse our readers.

            “Five More Ways to Cut the Clutter”
            One of the most effective ways to improve our writing is to cut the clutter: eliminate useless words and phrases. Here are five more strategies to apply when revising and editing essays


          • BiggJ

            So instead of responding to the message, you attack how he wrote it? Who cares how and in what manner he wrote it. That’s just being a dick. But hey, you can fix that too.


          • Mingtb

            BiggJ, do me a favor and read my comment and then read Kai’s reply. Tell me if I expressed myself clearly. Then let me know if Kai’s reply answers or addresses my comments.

            If you feel Kai’s reply is clear and to the point, I will stand corrected. I will try “not to be a Dick.”

            My purpose for sending comments on clear writing was to get Kai to cut out all that pompous, pseudo-intellectual shit Chinese boys pick up when they take a few college courses.

          • Kai

            This isn’t the first time you’ve resorted to personal attacks to avoid responding to the actual subject being discussed.

            Instead of claiming that I didn’t answer or address your comments, please explain or argue how I didn’t. That’s what I do. It’s what anyone being sincere in a discussion would do.

            I too feel I expressed myself clearly in reply to your comments. I’ve never denied being verbose and my reason has always been that I feel I need to do my best to explain the nuances of my thoughts. I don’t always succeed, but I am discussing this topic with sincerity.

            I felt you at best misunderstood my position and at worst intentionally misrepresented my position. I nonetheless gave you the benefit of the doubt (against my better judgement about our history of arguments) and tried to clarify. I’ve gone out of my way to acknowledge your points as best I can, explicitly stating where I agree with you, where I don’t, and where I find your opinions or assertions of fact to be unpersuasive.

            In return, you’ve changed the subject from what we were talking about onto an attack of how I express myself differently from you, how my writing doesn’t meet your standards, and call me names based on assumptions about my identity and background.

          • Mingtb

            Gee-whiz! I’m soooo sorry. It was not my intention to make a personal attack.

            Was it when I said your writing was pompous and pseudo-intellectual?
            Or was it when I implied your writing was confusing and not clear?

            Anyway, apologies all around.

            You wrote:
            “My disagreement with you is the causal link you’re arguing. I think it is overstated by itself and as a case in point to your general opinion, an opinion that I don’t necessarily disagree with. I too think the PRC lacks creativity and innovation especially relative to the success stories of certain other countries. I just don’t think it is that unique or hard to understand. You seem to understand the underlying reasons even if you might overstate them. Please understand that what I’m saying about the overall issue of creativity and innovation in China is not the opposite of “the PRC lacks creativity and innovation” nor “specious”.

            What are you trying to say? This is nothing but poetic “chinglish” with a little Derrida thrown in.

            You wrote six long-winded paragraphs mumbling about Tian An Men.

            My topic sentence was about the PRC’s lack of ability to be creative or innovative. I used the handling of the Tian An Men event as a simple example to illustrate its lack of creativity.

            You wrote:
            “There are a lot better examples of Chinese lacking creativity and innovation than tenuously exploiting a tragedy like Tiananmen. I’d even argue that your Tiananmen example is more befitting of the accusation of “specious”. It sounds plausible and seems to make sense but it’s actually something of a fallacy, an overstatement of one detail that had far less proximate causality with the results you are trying to tie it to.”

            Man! It sounds like you sucked up all that deconstruction bull-shit at whatever college you attended. Had you spent more time learning how to write English clearly instead of sucking drivel off of Foucault’s tit, we would not be having this pointless argument.

            There is a big difference between the PRC not being creative or innovative and Chinese not being creative or innovative. The PRC and Chinese are not the same although the PRC likes to confuse the two. The Chinese people are quite creative and innovative; the world knows that. However, the PRC is a different story.

            Again, my initial argument was that the PRC is not capable of being creative or innovative because of its political, social, and cultural policies.

            My second argument was that you need to learn how to write English clearly without resorting to pompous loquacity.

          • Kai

            You’re still being disingenuous.

            You said “I’ll try to make myself clear” indicating a you did not understand what I was saying. My response, which you quoted, was to reiterate what my disagreement with you is: the causal link you’re drawing between Chinese creativity and the results of Tiananmen. I explicitly said I don’t necessarily disagree with your general opinion that the Chinese lack creativity and innovation and to make it doubly clear, I immediately said “I too think the PRC lacks creativity and innovation.”

            Despite this, you still profess confusion about what I’m saying and claim I’m not answering or addressing your comments.

            I know what your topic sentence is and I know you used Tiananmen as an example. You previously said “case in point”. I also referred to your use of Tiananmen as a “case in point” to acknowledge what you were using it as.

            Then I said “Going back to Tiananmen”. That indicates that I am interested in further discussing your case-in-point, because I disagree with your characterization of what happened in order to use it as an example to support your topic sentence. This goes back to what I previously said about “commenting on parts of a discussion“. By arguing how your characterization of Tiananmen is actually inaccurate, I demonstrate how it is specious and thus a poor example to use in support of your topic sentence, which I’ll remind you is one that I do not necessarily disagree with. Again, I believe your example, your “case-in-point” is faulty.

            There is a big difference between the PRC not being creative or innovative and Chinese not being creative or innovative. The PRC and Chinese are not the same although the PRC likes to confuse the two. The Chinese people are quite creative and innovative; the world knows that. However, the PRC is a different story.

            This is irrelevant to the discussion, a red-herring even. You know I’m using “Chinese” synonymously with PRC and China. You know I’m responding to your statement about the PRC lacking creativity and innovation. You also know I know there is a difference between a government and a people. You furthermore know that the PRC is comprised of Chinese people, and a commentary about the PRC’s “cultural, educational, and social policies” necessarily involves its effect upon the Chinese people. If you didn’t know, you know now. Can you stop playing stupid?

            My response to your initial argument and especially the example you use to support it is that it is overstated and I explained in detail and at length why. If I’m going to argue something, I try my best to make a solid argument. Solid arguments are often long when someone wants to make sure their bases are covered. I’m not sure why you think otherwise.

            My response to your second argument is that you’re resorting to personal attacks to avoid responding to the actual subject being discussed, and this is a pattern of behavior with you.

            Even in this response to me, you cannot help insert personal attacks, dismissing my arguments against your example as “long-winded mumbling” instead of trying to defend your use of Tiananmen. Do you care more about the validity of your example to support your topic sentence or do you care more about making irrelevant personal attacks against me? I was interested in the subject of creativity and its possible role in how Tiananmen ended up. I’m not interested in a dick-comparo with you. Do you want to go back to the original topic or are you intent on trolling me?

          • Mighty曹

            I really think the Party only cared about ending the demonstration, regardless of how it was done. After all, Mao himself dictated “political power through the barrel of a gun”. I’m sure crowd control and riot gear were the last thing on Li Peng’s mind when he mobilized troops from distant regions to ensure no mutiny within the PLA’s ranks.

            China was not the same a quarter century ago. Back then the CCP was less tolerance but actually displayed an amazing patience, which may have also emboldened the students to be more defiant.

            At any rate, it was a very sad chapter in history.

      • Guang Xiang

        Were you high while you were taking a look? Just asking.

      • 21tigermike

        Great hardware. Shit software. 中国欢迎你.

    • Mike

      I’m not too sure about free-thinking as his sentiment is shared by many in China. Unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with the language to see if the essay was written well, but if it was written with good syntax and had the same satirical bite as I just read in English, then this individual is definitely brilliant. Nonetheless, he does deserve points for his daring. “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

      • Matt Smith

        Free thinking doesn’t necessarily mean thinking differently than anyone else, otherwise you would be just a restrained in your thinking as someone who follows everyone else (what you think would be controlled by what others think). What it means is that you think what you think not because other people think it, but because you believe it to be true regardless of others’ thoughts.

      • Angela

        I am a Chinese reader, and I can tell you that this essay was extremely poorly written and barely touches upon the satirical bite of what you read in English. The author is intelligent and free-thinking; the student is not. It can be implied from the grammar and language and the form of writing that this student is a poor student. Millions of students in China are going through the same education. While I, and all students complain about the education system, we are smart in a way that, we know our priorities; we know that there’s nothing that a complaint in an essay will do to change the system. By that token, we do not risk our future on complaining about the system in the life-defining GaoKao. Most students choose their future, unlike this student. The bravery is to be revered, however I say nothing else.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Actually quite a lot of young Chinese people have those views.

    • today

      Obviously you don’t know how to read chinese, nor able to distinguish bad essay, because had you read it carefully you would’ve noticed that it had nothing to do with the stimulus and frankly deserved to get 0. Cut the political shit out, if you turned your SAT writing paper or whatever into a political rant what do you think you’ll get- an A? B? c’mon

      • Don’t believe the hype

        As a matter of fact you would. Thinking critically is one of the most fundamental aspects of learning. A western teacher would be crazy to give this person a 0. Also, don’t pretend like discussing what he said is irrelevant. He is brave for speaking his mind during such an important test and especially when his government tells him that all criticism of the communism is criticism of his country or “subversion.” And by the way I can read it perfectly and it is written beautifully.

        • today

          I did not say he’s not brave as I think he is. However I think many Chinese individuals (I’m sure you know many) have similar thoughts thus I do not think that he is free thinking. Furthermore writing it in your Gaokao exam is, in my opinion is simply stupid. He was lucky that this got posted, what if it didn’t? Are there no better means to express an opinion?

          I also agree that this probably shouldn’t have warranted a 0 and had a certain poetic and political touch upon that I liked. However apart from its English translation I do honestly think it did warrant a low mark ie 50% or lower.

    • Marcus Black

      China is far from communist. Communism died with Mao Zedong. Even the most basic principles of communism or socialism are not being upheld in China.

      • 21tigermike

        It’s true that the ideals of Communism have been flushed down the er, squat toilet, but the part where Chinese can’t ‘own’ anything, is still true. Everything is still owned by the Govt, so legally this is still very much a Communist country.

        The trick is to work the system so you can get OUT of China, or at least, isolate yourself in a luxurious bubble of Pudong Villas, so you can forget you’re in China. That’s what delivery service is for ;).

        • Toraman


      • SuperHappyCow

        When is anyone else going to point out that this guy is a fake/troll account?

        • Marcus Black

          Who me? You’re just mad because i have been placing a mirror in front of your faces on worldstarhiphop to show you the cause of your problems. Don’t bring that nonsense here mate. I have stayed well within the rules so i am not worried about anything. Instead of hating on me why don’t you go hate on the minstrels that terrorise your community and give every other black person a bad image.

      • mattman_183

        Right. But it’s the idea of it that keeps the country (or at least the party) together. Kind of like democracy in the USA. Not really one, but sounds nice and unifies its people.

    • SuperHappyCow

      Or capitalist extremists.

    • Misiooo

      Communist Party? I’d say he is an enemy of the whole World.

  • BiggJ

    Someone give this kid some money so he will calm down. That speak came right out of the poor mans handbook.

  • Jay K.


  • Ruby Tuesday

    This reads like a complete fake. How did a gaokao paper end up in the public domain?

    • Stu

      Yeah, I’m not buying this. Too good to be true.

      • But there is no right or wrong. Only the sensationalism that it causes. Everything else doesn’t matter.

        So don’t think of it as “true of false”. Just enjoy the fact that it was published without any references, and that the act of doing such is a scandalous act that causes old women to clutch at their pearls, only opening their eyes once they finally take a slow breath.

    • Dr Sun

      Second sentence, first paragraph of article- ” Every year, test essays that were awarded full points as well as essays that were given zero points are published or leaked to the public, inspiring at times awe and amusement.”

      • Yes. Unsubstantiated, unverified and unconfirmed is a grand tradition held annually.

  • wotingbudong

    Fascinating stuff, seems to me like this lad is coming to terms with reality (as we all do at some point in our lives). I’d expect him to score zero under this regime but he should keep hope. If that prat Liu jishou can make a career out of vile and glib commentary on a generation obsessed with the self, then I say give this guy his own platform and lets listen to him. He has a future in the blogosphere or whatever you call it

  • mandrewsf

    Hey folks,

    I’m the one who translated this piece (with help from the rest of the great people at Chinasmack), and unfortunately I couldn’t find a link with comments until now. It’s here now if you can read Chinese: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2393647985

    I’ve also selected a few of the more representative comments for translation. Here they are (some paraphrasing involved):

    “What’s the point of ‘bitching’ (more like lashing out) like this? While you’ve ruined yourself, corrupt officials are still in bed with their women.”

    “China needs people like him who dares to speak truth to power on behalf of the people. If all the students in Sichuan could united and tackle the problems of the day, how could China not become great, and how could the Chinese dream not come true?”

    “Impossible [that this is actually a Gaokao essay]. The exams haven’t even been released yet.”

    [Replying to above] “We read [the essay] for its contents. It doesn’t have balls to do with releasing the exams.”

    “Damn, definitely [deserves] full credit!”

    • Mighty曹


    • Hey Man Drew F,

      seeing that cS isn’t about publishing information that is factual or newsworthy from my debunking of a story yesterday as well as a tacit admission that “it’s all about the phenomenon”, I’d like to ask you:

      Seeing that this essay isn’t substantiated by an author, school or any kind of valid identification and that it isn’t further sensationalized by comments that angrily support/refute it, what else besides the imagined context of a “student” telling off the imagined “authority figure” distinguishes this from any other rant as read on cS?

      Also: what’s up with that photo? Is that more tattoo suggestions for impressionable laowai?

      • mandrewsf

        My name is right up there beneath the title, for your convenience.
        I’m not the one in charge of the editorial choices on cS, but it says fairly clearly on the “About” page that cS is about “popular and trending Chinese internet content and netizen discussions from China’s largest and most influential websites.” There are all sorts of hoaxes on the internet, but not all hoaxes generate public interest. I’d hazard a guess that cS is more about revealing the underlying factors that generate public interest rather than focusing on whether the stories themselves are true or not.

        To answer your question, I think one of the Chinese commentators sums it up pretty well: “We read [the essay] for its contents. It doesn’t have balls to do with … the exams.”

        • But the content of this story is the context of a “student telling off authority figure”. It’s in the title, summary, and beginning and ending of the essay. Devoid of context, the essay comes off as “guy doesn’t like stuff”, or “rant”. Is this the “underlying factors” you speak of?

          • mandrewsf

            I have no idea what you are trying to say. Please clarify your point first.

  • The Enlightened One

    I hope this kid and his family don’t end up in a labor camp. It is kids like him that will probably make a difference in China.

  • Rick in China

    Who was the guy who was going off about misusing the term 块 to represent money.. as if he was ultra-hanzi-master? I recall him saying ish like nobody in China uses kuai and it must be called yuan or whatever… um, well, look at the first essay m’fer, and retract your bullshit – your Chinese is apparently far less superb than you personally think.

    • The Enlightened One

      They say kuai all the time…

      I dunno who said that they don’t but he doesn’t know what he is talking about. They say “…. kuai qian” more than they say yuan.

    • 21tigermike

      It’s kind of a joke.. you know? Haha. Funny? …

      • fabulous

        No, 21tigermike, it isn’t a joke. These people exist.

        The guys who go to China to study Mandarin, meet five people and take those five people as their personal Chinese almanacs.

        They say ridiculous things like, “I lived in China for 3 years and I never saw that”, “I don’t think so, I have lots of friends in China and they all treat animals really well”, “Actually ‘Kuai’ (It’s pronounced ‘Kuaier’), actually means little piece or piece. Chinese people say ‘Qian’ and ‘Renminbi’ when they talk about money” and “I find that really offensive. My friends all have showers everyday and that means that all Chinese people do”.

        It’s not Haha or Funny, 21tigermike.
        Maybe you haven’t been in China very long.
        It’s okay to be new.

        When you see these people you will want to take out your magic wand and say “Petrificus Totalpooinyoureyegivingyoupinkeye”.

  • James

    Send him to Harvard, if I had the money is pay his tuition!

  • Peter Pottinger

    I live in Canada now with a great job in the technology sector, but I understand this kid. The scale of corruption in China is at epidemic levels. Justice and history are written by the victors of war, even if that war is waged on your own peoples.

    The elites and wealthy of the world will never truly understand. All they know is the spoiled silver-plated lifestyle they were born in to. Their naivety and complete disregard for the plight of those less fortunate than them is a product of the system, a system that preserves the status quo and hinders the poor from achieving success.

    Just look at your own history, after the cultural revolution it took a peasant farmer to show your peoples how by standing together committed to the same dream can transform an entire country. But alas, in the end power corrupts and absolute power has corrupted absolutely.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      So they need another MAO ZEDONG?

      • Peter Pottinger

        after means before now? I know Chinese people have trouble with english but read carefully before you reply is the only advice I can give you.

        p.s. just in case you still have trouble understanding simple english


        • YourSupremeCommander

          Canadian, nuff said.

          ps. I can’t write either.

  • Mighty曹

    Nice! It was like a summary of ChinaSMACK news stories.

    It appears it wasn’t his intention to write a somewhat defiant essay. However, upon learning that the topic was on “Justice” it triggered his deep harbored hatred for injustice and he just let it flow. Kudos to him!!!

  • coldraindrops

    bravo bravo

  • Foreigner

    This essay deserves no lower than an 60. Critical in width but not depth and lacks individuality. When politics enter the grading system of a standardized test, the entire system becomes flawed.

  • Can’t remember my username

    That essay was outstanding in its scorn of the corruption, greed, materialism and lack of morality that plague this society. I especially appreciate the fuck you to the man spirit. That lad/lady has huge pills to write something so critical of the country/government in Gao Kou.

    It’s balls that big that can make a country great.

  • Johnny_Basic

    Like so many things in China, this essay is 山寨. Fake.

    As admirable as you might find the subversive tone, this is nothing more than a bunch of netizen cliches cobbled together by some 钓丝 and passed off as the work of a high school student.

  • bipolarbear

    Eh? The title picture looks unrelated to the essay, where is it from?

    • Kai

      It’s just a stock image. Sorry if it wasn’t clear that it was unrelated to the article.

      • bipolarbear

        Oh, it’s ok. I just was curious.

  • elizabeth

    He’s had a chance to ace the system and become someone influential to do something about the perceived injustice but, instead, he threw that opportunity away by ranting like any other discontented netizen.

    That isn’t a very smart thing to do.

    • Nefarious Laowei

      When does he stop appeasing the system? The longer he plays the game, the more corrupted he becomes by the system. Best not to lose one’s innocence before selling out.

      • BiggJ

        Nah, what Elizabeth said was right.You don’t have the agree with the system but you’re still part of the system. Sure this kids smart but now he fucked for a future in china. Unless this guy is content with doing manual labor the rest of his life and complaining about the government. Real smart people don’t conform…they adapt to their situations. And this kid has a hard time adapting.

        • fabulous

          Spoken like a true champagne socialist.

          • BiggJ

            Would you fuck up your chances of getting higher education by writing some shit everyone already knows? What he wrote was not so bad, if he would have just left the last paragragh he might have got a something more then a zero. Like why would you insult the grader? Thats just being a dick. The kid is just stupid.

            “There’s only a few minutes left before I have to turn in my test paper, and I already know my essay has pricked the test grader’s tiny little heart. Give me a zero then, my dear grader. I’m not scared, Sanlu milk powder didn’t kill me, so what more could a zero grade do? Don’t hesitate; scrawl down the grade, and then you can go play mahjong…”

            ……….He could have left that part out.

          • mr.wiener

            Being an anarchist means crossing when it says don’t walk.

            Everything you have said about this kid is true, but there some people [gods love ’em] in every society who are prepared to say “fuck it!”. Having balls this big in a society of sheeple combined with a bit of brains? …I’d wager we’ve not heard the last of this kid.

          • elizabeth

            There is a time and place for everything. This kid has to choose his battles and he has chosen the wrong one. He could have gotten the best of both worlds by getting through the gaokao and crossing in style after that.

            What he did was unwise. It might not have been so elsewhere but, in China, it is, unless he has the means to leave the country, which I doubt he has since justice, to him, apparently has lots to do with money and the lack of it (based on the examples he cited).

          • fabulous


            He could take the first steps along a higher road of not plugging himself into an obviously flawed machine, not wasting 3+ years of his life pretending to learn, being the best question answerer in his tute, “Oh, I can tell you that answer.”, until finally he graduates to his great job as the guy that writes the program that replaces him, all the while hating everyone around him, above and below, and still planning how he will rock the system from inside, one day, once he has an apartment near enough to a bus line that connects to the subway.

            He could be that guy who wrote that gaokao entrance essay which not only helped release his own frustrations in a non-violent manner (showing others the same route and making him famous), who then writes funny and harmlessly insightful articles, posting them online, not getting in trouble with zhoni law, amassing a cult following which turns into a huge following once a temporary worker at the China Daily does a piece on his heartwarming story of gaokao-failure-turned-success, who is then forced to leave the country due to non-sanctioned-poppy-syndrome, becoming a symbol for free speech and anti-corruption, and the darling of narcissistic expats who knew or “ran-weapons” for him or his band mates and used to hang out with him all the time before he got famous, then he has to deal with photo ops with greens or democrats voters who want to add an international cause to their standard list of exclusively first world issues.

            Or he could have written his gaokao essay properly then gone home and written this one on a fairly standard piece of paper and uploaded it himself.

          • elizabeth

            What are the cost and benefit of this stunt of his?

          • fabulous

            I would say the likelihood is that he hasn’t lost anything. This is probably something someone has written after the fact. It would require a very ballsy and aware young person and an exam marker who would both give the kid a 0 grade, accepting the mahjong backhand, and respect the kid’s work enough to publish it.


            Benefit=internet sensation

            If he actually did write this as his gaokao entrance essay, he obviously has an awareness of tact, comic timing, balls, a keen eye for social commentary, balls and integrity. And balls.
            Cost=he saved his parents from paying for him to go through university.
            Benefit=he now has the basis for a social media following or he could use the money his parents were going to give to the institutionalized-freshman-rapists and put it toward an actual business venture or creative writing lessons or anything else. He’s obviously aware that he doesn’t live in New Zealand, and four wasted years and a nice piece of paper aren’t going to get him a dream job.
            And he keeps his integrity. Just look at Jackie Chan. You can’t buy integrity. You have to hold onto it.
            And he’s got balls.

          • elizabeth

            Cost = all the years of hard work and money his parents forked out to set him through school to this stage.

            Cost = the opportunity cost to do something great with better credentials than he has right now.

            Cost = employers (without balls) will hesitate to hire a ‘rebel’ or worse, (if he turns out to be just) a whiner.

            Cost = the potential girlfriends and wives he could have easily attracted with better qualifications.

            Cost = the opportunity to create an even bigger sensation and publicity with more resources that come with ‘success’ in the system

            Benefit = a small ripple added to the already massive sensational outcries of discontented, disillusioned thousands or millions

            Effect? Nothing. Business as usual for all.

            Worse still, he would probably have to sit for the gaokao again or struggle through life with only balls of steel rolling out the tarmac for him. That kind of life sounds very much like an underground one to me.

          • fabulous

            I’m not quite sure which island you live on; whether it’s the north or the south, it makes no difference here. Your dreams of university being the gateway to an awesome future are built on your Kiwi understanding of how this world works.

            In case you haven’t read through many of the other articles on this website (I suggest you do, or maybe even visit China, it’s a blast.) let me explain how China works. It’s not fair. None of your costs are likely to eventuate from having a degree (Yippee! degree!) from a Chinese university.

            Everybody works hard unless your parents can pay.

            Credentials mean squatdiddly unless your parents can pay.

            No employers have balls and take a long shot on the rebel with sass who reminds them of themselves when they were younger. Not anywhere. Although, if he can solve a rubiks cube then he may have a chance. Or he could just not say “Hey. Do you remember that fake anti-establishment gaokao essay answer? No? Oh. Anyway, I wrote that.”

            With those balls he can probably get a girlfriend, but you can’t get a wife unless your parents can pay.

            Success in the system comes when your parents pay. And when your parents have paid for you to get your success, do you know what you do with your success? You sure as squatdiddly don’t use it to create an even bigger sensation. You become everything he mocked in his essay.

            I look forward to the opening of “NewZealandZING” with such horror stories as “women earns degree and doesn’t get to be a CEO”, Man goes to university and doesn’t respect women” and “Teenager chooses not to go to university; gets a trade and buys a house instead”. I’m sure your comments will be very insightful.

          • elizabeth

            I do not know which continent you live in but you have missed the context. Your comments might be ‘insightful’ to you, but only in a vacuum, not so in China.

            To the common Chinese man without social capital, the gaokao is one of the best options he has to change his unfortunate circumstances.

            Welcome to reality.

          • fabulous

            If your intent was to write something along the lines of “I know you are. You said you are. But what am I” then you have surely succeeded. And I’m impressed because I would have accepted “a fox smells his own scent first” as your reply, taken your comments for the joke they probably (I’ll say 75% sure) are, and stopped replying. However; you have made it sound so serious and in case you are serious It behooves me to continue.

            This article is not what you think it is. Nobody wrote this as their gaokao essay. This is a nice piece of writing, like those look-at-this-amazing-I-QUIT letters that pop up on soft-core news sites like yahoo. The person who wrote this should make some traction from all of this interest, create an online personality and market themselves. Benefit.

            If this actually was a youngster with the remarkable presence of mind to write such a well laid out essay on the spur of the moment, walking out of the hall, across the football field and ending with a freeze frame fist pump, then yes, he has shot his chance at going to university. Great point. But is that the only option he has to change his circumstances? No. You said that yourself.
            But while you have taken the negative/safe viewpoint of “Didn’t get into university = life is over = you will have to work at Wendy’s = ain’t nobody got time for that”, he doesn’t have to. He could end up like a whiny I-don’t-have-his-money loser or he could use his talents to make something happen while his old classmates are waiting for their dorm-mates to leave so they can be alone with Ms AV.

            Anyway, I hope you stick with China. I know a lot of people don’t make it past the first year. I recommend you leave the campus once in a while, and of course, keep reading chinaSMACK.
            Your “Welcome to reality” line reminds me of the charming people who would welcome me to China after living there for eight years. I’ve been here all along.

          • Kai

            I agree, there was probably no need to insult the grader. There’s ways to say something critical without needlessly and personally insulting the person on the other end.

        • mr.wiener

          I’d say what China [and young Chinese] need are rebels. This kid fits the bill.

          • BiggJ

            I guess but shit man pick the right place. Not on your final exam thing for university. That’s just stupid. In the end all he did the was fuck himself over. I would not jepardise my future over some bullshit like that.The government, teacher, no one cares…He just fucked himself over.

          • mr.wiener

            A grand gesture no?
            If he could start a punk band it is the type of thing legends are made of.
            I’d love to see a “China Spring”.
            P.S Being young and Chinese means you are pretty much fucked [unless your daddy has the right connections ] and I think more and more of the rank and file will realise this.

          • elizabeth

            There are smart rebels and there are not so smart ones.

          • Kai

            Smart may just be relative in this case. His future will determine whether or not this act benefited it or hurt it. And even then, it only matters if he cares.

      • elizabeth

        If he is as intelligent and convicted as some think he is, he will be able to hold on to his ideals while building the foundation for his great amibition for social justice, unless he is only ranting because of the lack of money, in which case, he will not make any difference to society even if he has balls of steel because his motives would have been self-serving.

  • 21tigermike

    I love how he included HTML links right in the essay. F’n win!

    • Kai

      Are you unhappy that we included links to information that could help people understand what he’s alluding to if they weren’t already familiar with them?

      • Paul Schoe

        No Kai, I don’t think that is what he meant. The links were very useful. I think that Tigermike is just adding a smile or a wink to the article.

        • Mighty曹

          I think ’21tigermike’ was being sarcastic.

      • Mighty曹

        My first impression was that ’21tigermike’ thought the translated English version was the student’s actual essay. But I immediately discounted it.

    • Mighty曹

      Yeah, I love the convenience of quick references to help the reader understand the scope of his story.

  • filabusta

    100+ I will help pay for this kid to go to school. They had more balls than I’ll every have.

  • Tricksy Raistlin

    I’ve talked to a lot of recent college graduates in my time here. Many of them aren’t the mindless drones we want to think they are. They are very cognizant of the problems in education and society; they just feel that they’ve got no options aside from compliance.

    Congrats to this kid for choosing the sanctimonious gao kao as the forum to air his thoughts.

  • Jeff

    This kid got heart. So his score was a zero? Fucking asses. I can just imagine some boy who wrote why he loves the NBA and wants to suck Lebaron’s dick got a high score. Or some girl writing about why her heart skips a beat when she sees the new LV bag or Hello Kitty collection got a high mark.

    China is so fucked – how did I manage to stay here for so long?

  • Joe Nebbish

    Finding the height of a skyscraper with a barometer (G)

    “Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer.”

    One student replied:

    “You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal the height of the building.”

    This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was failed. The student appealed on the grounds that his answer was indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics. To resolve the problem it was decided to call the student in and allow him six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics.

    For five minutes the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn’t make up his mind which to use.

    On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows:

    “Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper, drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground. The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H = 0.5g x t squared. But bad luck on the barometer.”

    “Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer, then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure the length of the skyscraper’s shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper.”

    “But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T = 2 pi sqroot (l / g).”

    “Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer lengths, then add them up.”

    “If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into feet to give the height of the building.”

    “But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on the janitor’s door and say to him ‘If you would like a nice new barometer, I will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper’.”

    The student was Niels Bohr, the only person from Denmark to win the Nobel prize for Physics.

  • Martinho

    What was the question?

    • elizabeth

      Good question. Took me a while to figure out what the prompt was:

      “The Chinese word 平衡 ping heng was translated as “justice” here
      but it may be more accurately understood as “a sense of balance or
      fairness” usually with life or the state of affairs in the world.”

  • CheddyZeddy

    this kid got balls. good work , you deserve 100% on the essay

  • Zhegezhege

    It’s not even a question. It’s a command.

    As someone said in another post somewhere “the better you make us feel, the better university you will go to”.

  • Zhuangzi

    Somebody give this guy a column in a paper somewhere!

  • FatCat

    Just slow clap it out.

  • markus peg

    I feel as tho after writing this and having lost hope he may commit suicide, i hope I’m wrong.

  • as expected, when you point out uncomfortable truth, the one with authority and power squirm. Then they abuse their power to keep the lower people in silent. Just like my supervisor now. What a mess. They are dropping me as their students, claim all my work as their, and now manipulating things to get me to work for them as their slave on a project they dont even know about, to extract every single knowledge out of me and take it as theirs. They are tarnishing my name. Suddenly making a statement that we had a contract/agreement, while in fact we had none, in order to tie me to their organisation, in order to steal all my work. Fucking Corruption. It is everywhere and not just in China. I am not sure what I can do as they are the senate/council or something like that of the university.

  • Claude

    Is this real? It’s questionable. The article on the couple shagging and falling to their deaths wasn’t, was it? Wasn’t the photograph used in another article a couple of years earlier? How difficult could it for an adult to get a hold of this exam and create a hoax for the internet? Shit! It’s the internet.

    • Mighty曹

      The photos are from an incident dating back to 2007. The story may be true but old photos are used for visual effects? I think I remember some news stories here with photos captioned “unrelated photos”. I think.

  • Azzurra

    What of the essay / informal poem shown in the graphics? Is that another one of the 0-point essay?

  • Justin

    That’s some serious Chinese chutzpah. Ding it up.

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  • Susan Fuchs

    This person was not out to get into college, but make a point. I bet if he were to write the actual material that is expected he would do well. It takes a lot of guts in this society. He has determination and drive for good. He should help the people by representation in some form. Good Luck…

  • Maria Fernandez

    This is one courageous person and I understand he/she coming from. The majority of ASIAN countries still believe in the notion of money is power. Injustice is tolerated as money speaks volume. Unfortunately for the poor, life is just that….poor!

  • Nicholas MacDonald

    How much you wanna bet this guy nailed the SAT a few weeks earlier and already had his college in the states picked out?

    It’s easy to be “brave” when you’ve got nothing to lose. Might as well give the whole system the finger if you don’t have to partake.

  • hahahahahah

    I know Chinese, and the pic from this article is not like the article…….I don’t think its real after I see the real essay.

  • Calles

    It’s very hard to meet this kind of Chinese people, I know many will complain, but few of them will actually “rise their voice”, it’s sad, but in the end all of them are likely to just follow the herd…

  • SB

    To be honest I’ll give him a zero just for using SB in a serious exam. Any grader in any part of the world will do the same. Unless you’re telling me that the western education system tolerates profanity in their academic papers.

  • Jeremy C

    Sad thing is the Marxist teachers in our Universities would give him a failing grade too for not seeing the value of their ‘wonderful’ (note the sarcasm) communist system….It’s sad, but most of our schools, and politicians have sold out to a socialist system so that China could pay our over inflated national credit card bill.

  • Peter

    A succinct description of societal ills in China, entertaining to read too.

  • mingtianb

    OK, You’d da man! I’m outta here.

    When you start talking about “dick-comparo,” I know something’s queerly wrong.

    And, since you’re the PRC blog monitor, the statement, “trolling me,” (whatever that means) must be a sign that you’re getting ready to block my comments. You’d da man!

    I wrote:
    My second argument was that you need to learn how to write English clearly without resorting to pompous loquacity.

    You wrote:
    My response to your second argument is that you’re resorting to personal attacks to avoid responding to the actual subject being discussed, and this is a pattern of behavior with you.

    If to question your ability to write English is a personal attack, well, what can I say?

    Mate, the understandability of web content depends upon clear and simple writing. I simply pointed out you do not know how to write clear and simple English.

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  • Shovon Chowdhury

    That’s a kid with guts. Hope they don’t crush him in some horrible way.

  • teacher

    Giving 0 for original thought? This is why the West producers leaders and the East produces robots.

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