Germany Ups Minimum Wage & Maternity Leave, Chinese Reactions

Germans advocatingfor an 8.50 EUR minimum wage.

Germans advocatingfor an 8.50 EUR minimum wage.

From NetEase:

Germany Limits Minimum Wage to 11,000 RMB, Two Years for Maternity Leave

According to a report by Voice of China’s Global Chinese Broadcasting Network, at the start of the new year, multiple new regulations went into effect in Germany. They involved aspects such as residents’ incomes, medical care, and child-rearing. For example: The monthly minimum wage is now 11,000 RMB, and maternity leave has increased from one year to two years. These new regulations look very nice, but will they really make life better?

First, the long-discussed minimum wage was formally implemented from January 1st of this year, with the minimum hourly wage not to be lower than 8.5 EUR, and if it is a 40 hour work week, the minimum monthly pre-tax salary must be 1473 EUR, approximately 11,000 yuan RMB. Employees from henceforth can enjoy this, but experts worry this will increase the burden on companies and lower the international competitiveness of Germany products.

The second change is lowering the pension rate 0.2 percentage points, from 18.9% down to 18.7%, which will remain unchanged until 2018. This on a certain level reduces the economic burden on individuals, but is more or a token/symbolic change than a real change.

The third change is that the fee for the law-enforced medical insurance has also been lowered 0.9 percentage points, from the original 15.5% down to the current 14.6%, but the insurance agency can now decide the amount of additional charges, and thus in the long-run signifying an increase in insurance fees so it is a hidden increase.

The fourth change is that the state has increased its crackdown on tax evasion, with the fine for tax evasion in the amounts of 25,000 EUR, 100,000 EUR, and 1,000,000 EUR and up now being 10%, 15%, and 20% respectively.

On the health care front, the electronic medical cards that store individual’s health information will be completely replaced with old-fashioned magnetic cards. This will not only guard against them being misappropriated by others through impersonation, it will also make it easier for doctors and hospitals to exchange and access a patient’s health status. However, this is also a controversial point, with critics worrying that about the problem of data safety, that it may easily lead to individual health information being leaked or stolen.

Health insurance fee rates have been adjusted upward 4 percentage points, and there are different levels of monetary increases based on varying circumstances between the person insured. The aging of German society is severe, and pension expenses have already become a serious social burden, with increasing insurance premiums being “a cup of water on a burning wagon” [an insufficient measure] unable to solve the root of the problem.

Measures benefiting households were officially implemented, such as family members being able to take two years off to provide nursing care. If a family has a person with a serious illness, an applicant can within 10 days enjoy their full salary and for two years only work 15 hours each week. The applicant can also obtain interest-free loans from the government to supplement their income. Also going into effect is an improvement to paternity/maternity leave and child-rearing funds, with the original one year expanded to two years but no change for the total sum of funds, which is approximately 67% of the parents’ pure income, not to exceed 1800 EUR each month. In other words, taking one cup of water and splitting it into two cups. Although the amount of time was expanded, the household’s economic burden undoubtedly has increased. For some low-income households, it is difficult for them to see their benefit in this.

Some other changes that went into effect on 2015 January 1 were new standards for wood-burning fireplaces. All old-fashioned wood-burning heating equipment must be retrofitted with filtering equipment, or replaced with new equipment meeting emissions standards, so if you want to be romantic, you also have to be environmentally friendly. One change worth driving around celebrating is that automobile license plates are no longer restricted by region, so if you move from one city to another city, there are no longer any changes required for your license plates and you can continue using them. With regards to the strict environmental garbage sorting implemented nationwide, 340 of Germany’s 400 cities and regions have already implemented individual environmental garbage sorting as of 2014. Now the remaining 60 areas must establish special-purpose environmental garbage bins, with all organic refuse collected primarily used to produced methane gas, fertilizer, and such.

Comments from NetEase:

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自费美分 [网易四川省成都市手机网友]:

Evil capitalism!!

[Note: This is a sarcastic comment referring to old Communist propaganda.]

网易北京市手机网友 ip:114.250.*.*

Do good in this life, so you can be reincarnated in Germany.

表侄女怀孕没 [网易江西省九江市手机网友]:

Resolutely resist capitalism, and walk the path of socialism with [Chinese] characteristics!
If I may ask my fellow NetEase users, what does it take to immigrate to Germany?

天下任我行jrt7 [网易江苏省淮安市手机网友]:

Instead of taking the big road, they insist on feeling their way across the river!

十八很多年了 [网易浙江省温州市手机网友]:

The people under evil capitalism live in an abyss of suffering!

网易湖南省衡阳市手机网友 [中国纺织大学]:

This minimum wage can easily dispatch 95% of the wages in China.

陈则明 [网易上海市杨浦区手机网友]: (responding to above)


zhongcheng600 [网易四川省雅安市手机网友]:

Walking the wrong path [of capitalism].

网易加拿大网友 [吹牛的鸡国]:

That’s not high at all! The average salary in Germany according to the German government is 3500 EUR pre-tax! Don’t get too excited all of you! That’s just normal wages! A half kilogram of beef in Germany costs 3-4 EUR!

130068089 [网易新疆乌鲁木齐市手机网友]: (responding to above)

Are you comparing prices with Canada? Over here, a half kilogram of beef is also over 30 [RMB], but what are our incomes? Our subsistence welfare is just 200 yuan. How many half kilograms of meat can that buy?!

网易福建省福州市手机网友 ip:183.250.*.*

[They] exported the ideology [of communism] to us, yet they themselves took the wrong path [of capitalism].

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  • 宋易

    I gotta say the last netizen comment is rather poignant.

    Moreover, I paid 64 yuan for a half kg of beef just a few days ago in Guangdong. Red meat ain’t cheap anyway you slice it.

    • monster

      coz people all love to eat meat!
      same as me!need to eat meat everyday!

      • shit religion

        You just love those sausages, don’t you?

        • mr.wiener

          You evil man you.

          • shit religion

            I’m just saying that she loves meat, isn’t that normal for females that scream out on how much they love meat?

        • monster

          do not ever write to me again. i do not wanna deal with dog.

          • Germandude

            Eattot!!! Glad to have you back baby…

          • monster

            ok, u can write to me.
            a snob dog ruined my good mood for long time.
            i do not wanna any stranger write to me.
            enough of that cheap online trick.

          • Zappa Frank

            poor thing

          • shit religion

            Why are you so mean? I love those German bratwurst.

          • Zappa Frank

            she is crazy, don’t worry…

      • mr.wiener

        No comment..

    • plorf

      Quality meats and dairy products (or most foods really) are much cheaper in Germany than China. Significantly cheaper than poorer Italy or France too.

    • biggj

      Yeah beef in china is expensive, although I found pork and chicken quite cheap, compared to canada.Dairy is more expensive in china, but everything else I found was really cheap. When I was there I would buy all my”foreign” food on toaboa. Like cheese and pasta sauce things like that. If you do its that way it pretty cheap, and get delivered to your door.

    • Peter

      This is a real and unfortunate consequence of overpopulation. There are more people in China than the land can produce beef for.

      It would be foolish and selfish to have children if one cannot provide enough for themselves.

  • Free Man

    “What does it take to immigrate to Germany?”

    You can take my spot, I left.

  • lacompacida

    Please have some sympathy for these suffering Germans. The west is truly declining and China is rising fast.

    • plorf

      Even more ridiculous is the myth about the declining Japan. A stagnating economy with a shrinking population – same amount of money for fewer people doesn’t sound so bad now does it?

      • mr.wiener

        A population of retirees and less young people to support the sounds kinda sucky. Mind you , knowing the Japanese they will probably overcome the problem by old people volunteering to do minimum wage jobs after retirement….or making an army of robot workers.

        • biggj

          Speaking of people volunteering…..I was listening to the radio here in canada a month or 2 ago and this guy came on asking people with free time or retired or part time jobs to fill the 20,000 government positions across canada for no pay at all. You really have to listen to this bullshit. It’s only 4 mins long. Apparently I can volunteer to the Canadian nation defence as the chief negotiating officer.Imagine that,Biggj , chief negotiating officer for canadian nation defence.

          Kind of reminds of the simpsons where Homer was the union leader. This would be me. lol

          Homer: What does this job pay?
          Carl: Nothing.
          Homer: D’oh!
          Carl: Unless you’re crooked.
          Homer: Whoo-hoo!

          • Kai

            Without hearing the segment, I’m guessing it’s an appeal to some sort of civic duty?

          • biggj

            Kind of, the guy talks of government cut backs and they need workers but can’t afford to pay them. They need prison guards, park wardens you name it..yet it’s a full time job, like 40 hours hours a week 5 days a week all year with no pay….and he say” Anyone who has volunteered before knows it give you a good feeling” yeah also feels good to get money to feed and house yourself too. lol

          • Kai

            LoL, yeah, I think a full-time job without any pay in likely unpleasant jobs is gonna be a really hard sell on the vast majority.

          • Ken Morgan

            Not really. In the UK it is called workfare. If you’ve been unemployed for more than a year they can force you onto a workfare program. Whereby you receive government welfare cheques (think £52 a week) yet you have to do a work placement (the number of is unlimited) for a private corporation for no pay other than the £52 welfare cheque.

            As a result some individuals working for min wage have been sacked. They are then hired back as workfare employees but the employers no longer have to pay them.

            The NY subway did exactly the same thing (the UK model was inspired by this) where all the paid cleaners were sacked and they were replaced wholesale with workfare cleaners.

          • Kai

            I did some Wikipedia reading on the subject after you introduced it to me. I find the arguments on both sides compelling. I don’t know the details of what BiggJ mentioned but if the guy he mentioned is asking for people to volunteer, it’d be different from workfare programs where there is a consequence for not participating (loss of benefits).

            I intuitively like the idea of people having to qualify and contribute pragmatically to society for benefits provided by that society, but I can see the counterarguments or criticisms too.

          • Ken Morgan

            That’s one of the things though. In that it was dressed up as voluntary. Oh you don’t have to but we’ll cut your benefit cheques to nothing and sanction you for 6 months.

            There were lots of sanctimonious people saying they supported it. Until big redundancies around 2011-2013 meant that those who were for it were placed on it themselves.

            Though for Japan I suppose there is more sense of civic duty what with the helping each other out post Tsunami compared to the looting each other when bad things happen elsewhere.

          • Bo Lu

            ‘This Is That’ is a SATIRE show. This is basically the ONION


        • biggj

          Or get a bunch of cheap foreign labor.

          • mr.wiener

            The Japanese prefer their robots light colored , of neutral odor and genderless.

          • Dr Sun

            and from Manchu

          • David

            Japan and Korea are doing that now. They are called Filipinos.

        • Xia

          But an economy that relies on numbers only works like a Ponzi scheme: It will always need more and more new recruits to pay for the old ones at the tip of the pyramid to the point of becoming unsustainable. Developed countries make a jump from quality to quality. Achieving high productivity through superior technology and management without the need to increase population number.

        • ClausRasmussen

          Japan doesn’t have the same hugely expensive welfare sector as the Western countries. They’ll be fine

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        Saying stuff like that is as silly as when Germany tried to print more money back before WWII.

        • Ken Morgan

          The ECB is about to turn on the printing presses yet again.

      • bujiebuke

        “same amount of money for fewer people doesn’t sound so bad now does it?”

        – whoa. Even if what you say is true (it’s not) money doesn’t distribute evenly especially in Japan where it’s more like the 0.1% that has 99.9% of the wealth. It really is an unfortunate situation they’re in one that is not helped by bureaucrats who look only after their own inner circle.

        • Germandude
          • bujiebuke


        • Sophia Dalke

          Wealth gap is meaningless. Maggie Thatcher had it right when she said to people obsessing about the “wealth gap”: ‘you don’t care if the poor are poorer so long as the rich are less rich.’ The best system gives the best quality of life to the most people, and if that system incidentally results in wild disparity, it’s still the best. Disparate wealth that raises overall social conditions is far better than an equality of poverty in society.

          • bujiebuke

            I’ve never heard that quote from her before but it is an extremely twisted interpretation of a valid problem of wealth being funneled to the few while the majority are scrounging for scraps. Self victimization of the wealthy is a loathsome tactic that to obscure the real issue.

            “he best system gives the best quality of life to the most people, and if that system incidentally results in wild disparity, it’s still the best. ”

            What does “the best system” mean exactly if it creates exaggerated inequalities? How does that become “the best system”? Are you referring to a system of government, economic policies?

            How can disparate wealth raise overall social conditions? When you write social condition, do you mean the condition between being dead and alive?

          • Alex Dương

            This video contains that quote and some context.


          • Sophia Dalke

            Thanks, I was just about it to reference that, albeit with a shorter clip.

          • Sophia Dalke

            I don’t know if you pay any attention, but majority of the “poor” in the developed world are comfortably housed and fed, possess working appliances and sometimes still have their own transportation. They’re not starving or falling over dead like in the 3rd world. We don’t need to bring the rich down to bring the poor up, assuming the latter even happens, since the point of the phrase is that if the wealth gap is meaningful, simply bringing the rich down is enough to make it “better”.

          • bujiebuke

            Alex Dương thanks for that clip, it really puts into context what sophia was writing. That is to say, it reinforces my earlier assertion that the wealthy will first victimize themselves rather than addressing a complex social-economic issue.

            “They’re not starving or falling over dead like in the 3rd world.”

            What your describing is famine, not poverty. You state that the majority of the poor have appliance, housing and “sometimes still have their own transportation” (oh my!), well I challenge that we can also be better and do better.

            It’s not necessarily about increasing material possession, but improving the quality of life. Social aid and healthcare improvement is one form – no one needs to sacrifice food for medicine.

            There’s absolutely no reason we need to accept the status quo, otherwise we’d all be agrarian farmers living in a feudal system.

          • Sophia Dalke

            So what you’re saying is that there has been a famine on three continents forever. Um. No. It’s poverty. There is food everywhere, even in the poorest parts of Africa, but they can’t afford it, hence: POVERTY.

          • bujiebuke

            “So what you’re saying is that there has been a famine on three continents forever.”

            At best, this is an extreme exaggeration of what I wrote, at worst, your being dishonest by putting words in my mouth. Let’s disentangle this by looking at what you wrote:

            “I don’t know if you pay any attention, but majority of the “poor” in the developed world are comfortably housed and fed, possess working appliances and sometimes still have their own transportation. They’re not starving or falling over dead like in the 3rd world. ”

            Your making a false comparison between poverty in first world and 3rd world countries. There’s poverty, a term that is defined based on annual income per family or person and then there’s famine, which is defined as scarcity of food. While these two definitions certainly are in a continuum, they are certainly not equivalent.

            And then there’s this:

            “there is food everywhere, even in the poorest parts of Africa, but they can’t afford it, hence: POVERTY.”

            Yes this is true, the unequal distribution of wealth leads to over-consumption for the wealthy and under consumption of the poor. First, your trying to say again that the word poverty and famine are the same, they are not. Second, I think you’ll find that this is consistent with my original argument, and less consistent with yours.

            You’ve conveniently left out or forgot to address my counter-argument that we as a society do not need to accept the status quo. Just because some conditions right now are kind-of-OK now doesn’t mean we can’t make it better.

          • Irvin

            Yeah, it sounds like she’s brain farting, I’m a moron and even I know the difference between poverty and famine.

          • bujiebuke

            I’m surprised that I didn’t catch this part so I’ll post it here. It’s actually false that there’s “food everywhere”. Most countries depend on importing food from other countries, the only exception that I know is France which is self-sufficient as far as I know. Otherwise, inhospitable terrain and weather makes it difficult to farm.

          • Zappa Frank

            there is something maybe not known. France get huge financial assistance from EU for agricultural products, same for Italy and some others. This is the only reason why their products are more convenient than to import. (not that is a bad idea to be independent for food)

          • Zappa Frank

            In the third world is full of riches that because aren’t bringed down live on the poor’s shoulders. Poor societies are not equal at all. That simply makes inconsistent your point, there is not a dualism like you seems to think equality-poor societies vs unequal rich societies. As example the richest society in this world (Japan, north europe) are also the most equals and when the inequality rise is usually a indication that the country is getting poorer.

          • Irvin

            Indeed, economically speaking, just imagine 10 people with 10 eggs where 1 person hold 9 eggs. That is inequality.

          • David

            In what way do you think Japan is an equal society?

          • Zappa Frank

            is a society where the wealth is better distributed than most isn’t it? .. sincerely, never been there, but is what all articles say like the one posted here. Hmm taking a look at the gini coefficient seems to be more or less true.

          • bujiebuke

            Germandude replied to me with this link (

            If your referring to Japan’s “low” unemployment rate, keep in mind that during economic downturn cycles, Japanese companies typically cut wages instead of reducing their workforce.

          • Zappa Frank

            doesn’t the link says that the difference in wealth in japan is increasing like in france? is that article? sorry apparently I don’t have access anymore to the link. If is that one I thought was implying that Japanese wealth had a good distribution and now is changing to a bad distribution..

          • bujiebuke

            Your correct, except I would point to this little tidbit:

            “Inequality isn’t new: Despite cultural differences from Europe, Japan had the same high level of inequality in the early 20th century, with a small number of wealthy people getting a large portion of national income. “[A]ll signs are that in terms of both income structure and income inequality, Japan was indeed the same ‘old world’ as Europe,” writes Mr. Piketty, a professor at the Paris School of Economics. Inequality shrank sharply after the two world wars as the fighting destroyed much of the elite’s wealth.”

            There was just as much income inequality in Japan as the west, except the war destroyed a lot of wealth at the top. Now that Japan has remained relatively peaceful, inequality is increasing again.

            Something of my own reading to add. There was an Economist article a few years ago that claimed Japan was under reporting their unemployment claim in the past decade. I’m sorry I can’t find that article, but I think it’s relevant here because much of that data in the Piketty book depends on government data.

          • Zappa Frank

            but as I mentioned the gini coefficient seems quite good for japan, and it’s a coefficient or redistribution of wealth.
            Much inequality as in the west doesn’t mean much, there is a huge gap inside the west, we pass from a pretty much unequal American to a quite equal north Europe, both are west but the difference inside is huge.

          • bujiebuke

            “Much inequality as in the west doesn’t mean much, there is a huge gap inside the west, we pass from a pretty much unequal American to a quite equal north Europe, both are west but the difference inside is huge.”

            That’s a good point, northern European countries tend to have much better social programs than the rest of Europe. I won’t dispute your point about the gini index, seems like your argument about Japan in terms of wealth is true. Let’s revisit this topic in the next 5 years… hahaha.

          • David

            OK, I just wanted to understand what you were referring to. So you are speaking solely about wealth distribution.

          • ClausRasmussen

            I miss Maggie


      • Irvin

        What would you rather have? You alone with your parents and grandparents to take care of or 5 siblings to take the burden together?

      • Amused

        And more folks willing to make Asian octogenarian schoolgirl amputee tentacle pron, am I right? Oh Yeah!

      • David

        ummm yes, actually it is pretty bad.

      • ILoveGoldStandard

        Myth says Japan’s debt is >200% of its total GDP. Indeed, doesn’t sound so bad. – Economist 101

  • Xia

    Germany, home of Marx and Engels, is the real socialist country, China just got a rip-off version from the Russians.

    • Dr Sun

      home of “National Socialism” more like .


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      • Kai

        I ignored your first disclaimer thinking it was a mildly amusing passive-aggressive form of protest over something you have no information to fairly judge, but if you’re going to keep on doing this, it does fall under the “known” rules against spamming and flooding. There are no “unknown” rules.

        • 山炮 ShanPao

          Sad bastard.

        • jaded

          he has a habit of protesting about something that he has no information to fairly judge!

      • Mike

        You know, a country can be “home” to more than one thing or person… there is a bit more to Germany than just 12 years of History.

        • David

          Yes, Germany has been a country for like 130 years.

          • Mike

            130 Years – You could say the same about Italy, they unified at about the same time. However, The German Empire from 1871 to 1918 was the “second empire” (that is why 1933 to 45 is known as the “third Reich”), The first one started with the German Kingdom, which later became a major part of the Holy Roman Empire (of the German Nation) ca. around 850 (top of the Head).

          • ClausRasmussen

            The first empire was not a country as we usually define it with a central government and same laws everywhere. It can more accurately be described as a very lose coalition with a mostly nominal leader at the top

          • Mike

            True, that’s what it became, although the first emperors where quite powerful, even feeling strong enough to politically challenge the pope. But the actual point was that there was a Germany and a German history long before 1871.

          • ClausRasmussen

            Agreed, but I think we should make a distinction between the history of the German state since the second Empire, German states (plural) since the first Empire, and the German people since the sack of 3 roman legions in the Teutoburg forest

          • David

            Well, I do say that about Italy (when my grandfather was born there in 1895 it had not been a country for even 20 years). Nobody should say Italy has been a country for longer. Before it was a collection of independent areas (like Germany was) and before that it was powerful cities that controlled the land around them. But nobody (especially the people who lived there at the time) thinks that Germany has been some sort of unified country for 1200 years. That would be like saying the United States has been a confederation of nations for 12,000 years and for the last 230 we have just had different leadership. It is not an insult to Germany to say they only became a unified nation in the second half of the 19th century.

          • Mike

            We probably misunderstood each other – I didn’t try to claim there was a unified Germany for 1200 years, I just said that there is more to Germany than just 12 years of History and German history started before 1871. Just as Italian history, neither country popped out of thin air. Michelangelo, da Vinci etc – all the great artists are regarded (rightly) as Italians even though the country as we know it today didn’t exist at their time yet.

            Dr. Sun made it sound like National Socialism was about the only thing coming out of Germany and your 130 year remark seemed to be a sarcastic reply, implying that there really isn’t much more.

            Maybe i misunderstood you there, then I’m glad that we cleared that up.

          • David

            I absolutely agree with you. Both regions had a long history of common culture and linguistic ties that went back millennium (in some cases) and eventually led to unification (obviously taking into consideration the fact that at many different points in time one area might hate and try to conqueror another area). When we speak of Germanic tribes or an Italian Renaissance, we are putting a modern label on a convention that did not exist at the time. Dante would have been horrified at the the idea that he was considered an Italian. He always thought of himself as a citizen of Florence (yea, even when he was banished). But that is much easier than always stopping to say ‘the duchy of blah blah blah ‘ or ‘the bishopric of blah blah blah’ or ‘the electorate of blah blah blah’. Especially since they changed quite often. : )

    • MidniteOwl

      no, no… it’s Socialism with Chinese characteristics. cheap and some times fake.

      • Xia

        All the Chinese characteristics are hardcore capitalistic.

    • RickyBeijing

      Wasn’t Marx Belgian?

    • Zappa Frank

      let’s not forget Rosa Luxembrug, the Spartakusbund,

    • Luke the Duke

      In what ways is Germany socialist?

      • Alex

        In more ways than China.

        • Luke the Duke

          Such as?

          • Clay

            Higher tax rates and a greater range of welfare systems is a form of income redistribution. Thats a fairly socialist idea.

          • Luke the Duke

            Redistributive taxation does not a socialist economy make.

          • ClausRasmussen

            It does make it closer to a socialist economy than no redistributive taxation

    • ILoveGoldStandard

      China isn’t socialist. Well it was. But now they’re just as crony capitalistic as USA without real free market.

      • ClausRasmussen

        China is in many ways comparable to the US in the 1930s – including the crony part which seems to be a natural consequence of booming economy, rapidly developing society, and freewheeling capitalism

  • Irvin

    Meh! so what if the minimum wage there is 11,000rmb in germany, the labor cost is just that much more expensive. Good for the sheep, bad for the Shepherd.

    • monster

      i can make this money at home.
      but i am still so poor and get laughed at coz from village often by snobbish dog.

  • Luke the Duke

    Sad to see Germany is more and more joining the ranks of Europe’s socialist cotton wool societies. Stagnation, here we come!

    • Dick Leigh

      How will giving more money to people that are the most likely to spend it, bad for the economy? Poor people don’t save. It’s tax breaks for the rich that lead to stagnation.

      • Luke the Duke

        Poor people don’t save? Where did you pluck that ‘fact’ from? Evidence from China shows that its poorest citizens, especially migrant workers, save significantly more of their incomes than richer citizens do.

        • shit religion

          In europe they don’t

      • KStyleBlue


        Increasing the minimum wage increases the cost of production/labor. This decreases the value of the countries exports, making goods less competitive on the global market. This increases pressures on companies to move off-shore. And will also decreases the number of jobs available – increased minimum wage will strengthen pressures and trends of automation – replacing cashiers, waiters, and other low level jobs with machines. It will also put pressures on companies to search for legal loopholes – such as replacing full time employees with legions of temp workers that actually decrease the average standard of living and quality of life in a society (ex. refusing to give employees more than 30 hrs of work a day, but expecting them to perform the same duties as a full time employee OR giving employees uneven shift work [work mon 4-9, tues 8-5, wed 12-9] for no reason other than to maintain their temp status).

        Increasing the minimum wage can also have a lot of benefits for the society and can be a boon for the economy. Basically, countries need to be very careful about increasing minimum wage. The trick is to get the perfect balance, where the minimum wage is not too high or too low.

  • Xman2014

    Actually Germany is not even that high paying if you look at the world rankings in pay.

    Germany’s not even listed in this top ten list:

    • shit religion

      The Netherlands in the top 10??? What a load of bullshit, average citizens here only earn about 1300-1800 euro a month after tax deduction.

      • Xman2014

        If you look at the first link (wiki), the disposable income after deductions for Netherlands is 15th.

      • Raymond

        Yea but Dutch work on average only 3.78 hours a day.
        “People in the Netherlands work 1 381 hours a year, less than the OECD average of 1 765 hours.”
        On the other hand, a 6 day work week of 8 hours a day would be 2496 hours a year.
        Don’t the Dutch also get completely free health insurance?

        • shit religion

          There is no such thing as free insurance in The Netherlands, we have to pay averagely 80 euro a month for insurance, life here sucks for the hard working people, only the lazy and the unable profit from free life insurance, free housing, free 800 euro a month. They get to spend more money than a working person(after paying rent, bills, insurance) The life in The Netherlands have been dropping since 20 years ago and in recent years it dropped even harder. Retirement age is now 67! and will continue to rise to 70 in another 10-20 years. The reason why there is some racism against Blacks and the Morrocan is because majority of them comes here and then do nothing at all except sitting on their lazy ass and waiting for their money. Though lately it has gotten more strict.

          • Zappa Frank

            It is the same in the rest of Europe, crisis of warfare system due to massive immigration and aging of population

        • shit religion

          That average 3.78 hours a day is because of those lazy people that doesn’t want to work.

          • Xman2014

            Isn’t it due to Dutch labour system of job sharing, which is designed to bring down unemployment?

  • takasar1

    nice country germany, shame its in a bad neighbourhood (at this moment in time) where its getting wrongly hammered by both club med AND club north-west for being the prime factor in the continuation of the euro crisis…. Anyway, the fertility rate is a shambles, already they’re almost as aged as the japanese. need to do more than offer longer maternity leaves to put that boggart back in the closet.

    all in all, i’m off to germany soon, any recomendations ? i’ve already been to berlin and now i’m thinking stuttgart, need to visit the schwarzwald. is the south-east worth much of a visit?

    • shit religion

      Hamburg and Bremen is pretty nice

    • Teacher in China

      Koln (Cologne) is nice – they have a huge beautiful church there. I also really enjoyed Wittenberg, the small city famous for being the place where Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the church there in 1517. It’s a charming little town good for a day trip. Nothing else much sticks out in my memory (besides Berlin, of course).

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  • kosaku

    to Germany is quite easy. We don´t send anybody home, even those who came here illegal.
    But don´t get too excited.

    Prizes are an overkill here. Rent for an 27sqm
    Apartment (400€) plus electricity, water, waste, insurance, …easily 1000€/month.
    And You still didn´t buy food round about 40-60€/week.

    With a
    normal income of 1800€ like my mother earns as a professional nurse you can do
    the math yourself ;-)

    • David

      Wow, most nurses in the states make a lot more than that. Especially if they have a lot of years of experience.

      • Zappa Frank

        Usually salaries are lower in Europe, but consider free education till high school, low fees at university, free healthcare, many benefits at wor (almost endless day leave if you are sick, one moth of vacation, and so on..) and so on..

    • Hans

      It depends on how you plan to live. I get along with under 600€/month and i live way better than 85% of the chinese

    • RedBearded T

      Wow, that’s nice compared to where I used to live. A 27 sqm studio apartment is about 675 euro, plus electricity, water, waste, insurance as well. My buddy has 300 sqf or 27.87 sqm studio and pays about 1,350 euro ($1600 usd) per month. He says he averages around $2,700 usd per month (2278 euro).

    • Viktor Z

      You’re discussing on a site situated in a development country dumbo !
      Your mom should do a better job :)

    • wongasu

      dude where do you live? I pay for my 72m² apartment in NRW for 700 warm ( included electricity, gas ) as for food I spent like 200€ a month, can still save over 1000 euro each month.

  • Dr Sun

    I like Germany they make awesome cars, so all the CPC members I meet keep telling me . I’m just a ordinary worker so I cant afford a super expensive luxury Import .I use public transportation and my Chinese built E-bike.

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  • Mateusz82

    Germany is capitalism… with German characteristics.

  • Small twon

    haha Chinese are criticizing their own government but not actually saying anything ! Smart !

    • mr.wiener

      would you?

  • James

    Microsoft is proof capitalism works, it’s funny that a capitalist company has created a device for people to use to demotes capitalism. Any pro communist can do this, Start a company and at the end of the month split all profit among your employees. But you won’t even start the company let alone split any shares.

  • RedBearded T

    Half a kilo of beef is 3-4 euros in Germany? As if that’s a lot compared to 8.5 Euro minimum wage? U.S. minimum wage is equivalent to 6.12 euro while our beef (cheap ground beef) is 4.248 euros per half kilo.. So you can’t really use that as an explanation why Germany’s minimum wage is that high. With a hour of minimum wage work you can buy a kilo to 1 1/2 kilo of beef. In the U.S. with their minimum wage they can buy less than 3/4 of a kilo of beef.

    • BerndvonAnon

      Actually, the 8.5 is the new *introduction* of a minimum wage.
      There hasn’t been one before, and neither do I think it’s needed.

      As for Expenses, I’m currently living pretty well at expenses around 600 Euro/Month, at a standard most Chinese can currently still only dream of.

  • jd

    How come every German I have met complained about their high taxes and high inflation? Chinese people have this really weird grass the greener on the other side mentality because most of them aren’t well travelled, human nature is universal.

  • Croid

    welfare an entitlement programs make da cost of everythang increase fo everywon.

  • Peter

    Overpopulation – Higher food prices, lower wages.