Nationwide 2nd Child Policy Could be Implemented by Year’s End

Nationwide 2nd Child Policy Could be Implemented by Year’s End

Officials from the National Health and Family Planning Commission are currently evaluating the birth policies allowing citizens to have a 2nd child, and members of the media have said that it could be implemented as soon as the end of this year.In the comments, many netizens complained that even if the policy changed, it is almost impossible for average people to be able to afford raising 2 children, with one highly voted comment saying “Pretty much nobody 80’s and 90’s can afford to raise a second child. 2 parents, 4 grandparents and 1 child is already impossible.”
Source: Netease

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  • 十月码

    Yes, nobody can afford that.

    • Vance

      People afford it here all the time. We average 2 kids per family here and have done well. Much of America’s population growth is through immigration, the birth rate is fairly stable. The Chinese people need to remember that just because the government policy might permit two children, it does not mean that a couple has to have two children if they don’t think they can handle it. It would be their choice.
      One of the surprises for me since I’ve been on these sites is that it seems that the Chinese people do not really object to the one child policy. I realize that since the Chinese government is a dictatorship style of government that there is not really much the people can do about policy, but I’m getting the feeling that if the Chinese people could vote on this, they might actually vote to keep the one child policy. I really wish Chinasmack would do a translation of netizen comments on this article. It would be interesting to see what they are saying about this announcement. The Chinese that comment on this site seem to object to this change in policy.

      • 十月码

        I don’t agree with the gov’s policy about birth rate limitation, not matter how many children it allows people to have. After all, it’s a human right to have children, and policy like this violate our right, pretty like an “animal farm” now. What’s more, the birth controlling department always choose violence for families trying/managing to have more children. There are many people who object to on child policy, and also, many people agree with it for the gov’s long term propaganda or sth else.

        The fact is that people could afford more children before the one child policy released, but after most families have only one, everything about rising up children get used to this policy, for instance tuition fee rising, milk powder prise rising, etc. Now the cost of children becomes very expensive and most people living in urban can’t afford more, even they have choice later.

        I tried to translate top netizen comments of this news (my english is not good, forgive me if there were some translation mistakes):

        1. 期待二孩政策早日实施.
        1. Hope the two children policy implementing soon.

        2. 80/90后基本养不起两个孩子了,一对夫妻要养四个老人一个孩子已经是痛不欲生了.
        2. people born after 80/90 years can’t afford 2 children on the whole, it suffers already taking care of four grandparents and one child.

        3. 你不实行我有生二孩的欲望,你放开了我反而不想生了,生活压力太大了.

        3. We want to have two children while there is not on child policy, but now I don’t want any more, the livelihood is of much pressure.

        4. 二孩政策应该早点开发,现在老龄化问题太严重了.

        4. Two children policy should be released earlier, the aging population problem becomes very serious.

        5. 哼,想不生?开始限号,只有生了两个孩子的人才能买避孕套……✔

        5. Hmm, don’t want to bear children? Begin the quota limitation, only people who have two children can buy condom……✔ (sarcasm)

        6. 草,幼儿园要开后门,小学要学区,初中要抓阄,高中要择校,大学倒是随便上了,不过毕业就失业,生生生,生你妈蛋啊!

        6. S**t, bribe for kindergarten, limitation of primary school district ion, draw lots for junior high school, pay school choice fee for hight school, now no limitation on the collage now, but you get unemployed after you graduate, bear bear bear, bear your mom’s egg!

        • Zack Snyder

          Are you actually a Chinese national? You seem to be more… liberal. I thought all Chinese nationals give their full support and obedience to the CCP…

          • Bman

            Whatever gave you that idea? Chinese are loyal to China. The CCP just happens to be running the place and presenting themselves as China as much as possible.

          • Alex Dương

            That’s definitely untrue. But I can see where the perception comes from. For example, do you usually talk to Chinese people IRL this way?

          • Zack Snyder

            There is a flaw in that lady’s answer though.

            The Chinese dude complaining about the U.S political system IS studying in the U.S which is hypocritical compared to when an American tells off a Chinese about their system in American soil.

            To answer your question, I saw a lot of commenters with bad English on many sites blinding defending/praising the CCP. Of those I actually had a face to face convo with, they claim they do not know anything.

          • Alex Dương

            The Chinese dude complaining about the U.S political system IS studying in the U.S which is hypocritical compared to when an American tells off a Chinese about their system in American soil.

            I agree that in the hypothetical she gave, the Chinese guy is being a hypocrite. But that isn’t the point she’s trying to make: it’s that people are going to be pissed if they constantly have to deal with others who don’t want an honest dialogue but just want someone to validate their preconceived notions.

            To answer your question, I saw a lot of commenters with bad English on many sites blinding defending/praising the CCP. Of those I actually had a face to face convo with, they claim they do not know anything.

            That doesn’t reflect all Chinese. They may very well have been “wumaos.” That term was coined by the Chinese.

          • Zack Snyder

            Thanks for your info.

            But what if… if… the preconceived notions are indeed true and the lady is just too nationalistic to validate it? Wouldn’t that be… ignorance?

          • Alex Dương

            That depends on what the preconceived notions are. Which do you have in mind?

          • Zack Snyder

            Ok I agree that everything the United States accused China of doing, they have done it themselves etc spying, torture and everything else.

            However, the key difference is Americans can talk about it freely and protest against their governments but the Chinese do not have this luxury. Therein lies the biggest difference. Why do you think the CCP won’t grant their citizens freedom of speech and information?

          • Alex Dương

            They are scared of losing power. Simple as that.

          • meis

            Because of HISTORY. Unified China leads to authoritarian. Roman Empire/Europe collapsed, it leads to democrazy. 2 worlds with different histories.

            Google: “Unified China and Divided Europe”, “Why China was able to unify and not Europe”. I don’t have time to explain everything. Sorry.

            If you read any stuff from Lee Kuan Yew (father of Singapore), he once said “If China becomes a Western-style democracy, it will collapse.” You can find that quote and reference for further reading. SG is a fake democrazy country, same as its neighbour in the north.

            He also mentioned “Asian value”, which most white people got it wrong. LKY meant “East Asia value”, not Indonesia value, not India value, not Kazakhstan value, etc.

            China’s confucianism is embedded in the society for centuries. The Chinese are practicing it without knowing it or subconsciously. I was talking about the hierarchy system, the traditional thing that white people will not understand.

            You can say that about the Japanese and Korean too. Vietnam too, partially; Vietnam is in SEA (native SEA) and obsess of IndoChina Federation (Cambodia + Laos + Vietnam).

            They’re affected by confucianism in varying degrees. But Japanese were forced to opened up by US in mid 18th century. No one is forcing the powerful China to use the western system. China (or the Chinese people) pick her own system and dictate the future by her own self.

            Check out Martin Jacques’ (a sino expert) lectures.

          • Alex Dương

            Roman Empire/Europe collapsed, it leads to democrazy.

            Define “democrazy.”

          • guest

            The opposite of “call-me-crazy”?

            bar don’t roll off the tongue as well…

          • 十月码

            There are many reasons why a Chinese guy is reluctantly while talking about politics, different reason for different person and situation: 1. it’s the first time you meet each other and she/he feels sort of offended; 2. he/she is a nationalist; 3. she/he doesn’t know the truth, they even cannot tell the difference between country and government and citizen, and she/he takes it personally; 4. he/she is the child of a politician or rich merchant in China and linked tightly to government; and so on.

            The 3rd reason may seem ridiculous for you, but it’s the fact. A lot of Chinese nationals has little knowledge about out side world, there are no channel for them to know the truth: the textbook in school, the medias, all under the censorship of government, the internet access to many websites are blocked, such as Youtube/Facebook/Twitter…, even Instagram.

          • Zack Snyder

            Do you think this will last forever? Will the CCP fall eventually?

          • meis

            If CCP fall, it means chaos. Your life will be affected by it too if you’re not getting your stuff/food/products; the economy chain will be disrupted.

            If the elites in CCP were smart, they should know that CCP must EVOLVE PEACEFULLY. Most of the think-tanks/experts (including the Chinese thinkers who’re working in CCP) know that once China’s urbanisation rate hits 80% or so, there will be some changes in CCP.

            The legitimacy of CCP is sustained by China’s growth.

            PS. I’m an Overseas Chinese; born and breed outside of PRC, ROC, HK, MC, fyi.

            PS2. Sucker Punch is a good movie =)

          • Zack Snyder

            You may have underestimated the Chinese people. There is no guarantee China will be in chaos if the CCP falls.. It might turn out for the better too.

            Yup, you are correct the only possible way for the CCP to fall is an economic collapse.

            Where are you from? Curious.

            Wait till u see Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.

          • Vance

            With the importance of “face” that I am led to understand that Chinese have, it may be better to not engage each other in political debate. Here, political discussions get very spirited, even among friends. Then they agree to disagree usually and go have a beer or watch the game on TV or something. But if each participant is very concerned about face and having the last word, it would just degenerate in to an argument that would never end.

          • meis

            Err.. Chinese in PRC do talk about politics in the local shops/pubs and stuff. They’re no different than any of us. They’re just like you and me bash the gov’t every now and then.

          • Vance

            Thanks for the info. That is interesting to know. I think the perception is in much of the world that they don’t dare.

          • 十月码

            Yes, I’m a Chinese national, and to be honest I don’t like CPP.

            Not all Chinese nationals give full support and obedience to the CPP:

            1. Maybe they don’t show up around you, but there are many Chinese national who doesn’t support CPP like me, and they don’t usually claim this publicly due to the censorship (yes the big brother is really watching);

            2. Not all of us fully obey to CPP, actually there are many political prisoner who share their idea bravely. For instance, you may check this link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Xiaobo

          • Zack Snyder

            I don’t understand why the people wont revolt? I mean there are a lot of people in China right? More than the army or government officials..

          • Vance

            They are kept comfortable and happy enough for it not to be worth the effort and sacrifice. Generally if people have the basic needs and are mostly left alone, they really don’t care who sits in the capital.

  • DD Bear!

    anyway i only need one kid. also if this kid is too ugly or dumb, i even do not wanna take it.
    i do not wanna put all my life into a kid,let alone a useless kid, i am not saint.

    • bujiebuke

      I’ll pay you money to sterilize yourself. But you’d have to prove it somehow.

      • DD Bear!

        go fk yourself!

        • bujiebuke

          is that a yes?

          • DD Bear!

            you cut off your dk first, then it’s a yes!

          • bujiebuke

            You shouldn’t have children if you’re going to abandon them at the first sign of trouble.

          • DD Bear!

            you think it’s so hard to have a healthy and lovely kid ?
            also so easy to take care a sick and dumb kid?

          • bujiebuke

            Anyone who wants children but then are unwilling to take care of their disabled offspring should not have children at all.

          • DD Bear!

            ok. one couple in my village, had 2 spaz kids. they took care of them till abound 15 then had enough. let them die in hunger at last.both died that way.
            now they adopt a girl but they are already around 50…can you feel the sadness????
            if they did not take them at first, adopt a healthy kid early, then would not be so sad!

          • bujiebuke

            If you really can’t afford to maintain the general well-being of a disabled child, then I suppose giving it up for adoption is the next best alternative.

          • Jahar

            That poor couple….. what is wrong with you?

    • Bman

      Luckily your parents were better than you. They had an ugly, dumb and rude kid with poor morals, and they still fed and educated her.

      • DD Bear!

        kick your ass!
        you know me better ????
        i am not ugly first, i am super smart all schools i went to are very good.

        • Bman

          My point is, please stop using those words to describe other people. Whether they are truthful or not is unimportant. They hurt people inside.

          • DD Bear!

            哼!heng!

          • Bman

            I’m being serious. You can do better.

          • DD Bear!

            heng!
            why you like to educate me so much? you are english teacher ?

          • Bman

            I am not trying to educate you, I’m trying to help you, and anyone else who you curse at for no good reason. I do it because I’m a good person.

          • DD Bear!

            coz you are an english teacher!

          • Bman

            Well, sure I guess. Though I believe many of the things that shaped my attitudes happened way before I came to China, and had little to do with my job(s). Most personality formation comes from any interactions with people and the environment. Some people believe this starts as early as when you’re in the womb.

          • DD Bear!

            i am sorry for what i said.
            i was quite upset. i searched my ex online today, and he died on mh370.

          • Bman

            Sorry to hear that. Horrible tragedy :(

        • Mihel

          Nothing to be especially proud of, most good schools take in whoever has enough money to pay tuition fees. It’s not about you being smart, it’s about your parents spending money.

          • DD Bear!

            my family is not rich to spend that much money, i did it all by myself. idiot!

          • Mihel

            There’s no need to be rich to pay above average tuition fees. Of course being poor wouldn’t help, but anyone with a decent income can save some money for a good school for their children.
            I’m sure you can prove your point and disagree without resorting to insults. You’re super smart after all.
            Be happy and be nice.

          • Bman

            Oooooh, bazinga! High-5~ fist bump~balalalala

  • Honestly one child is even too much for me right now. I can’t imagine having more than one.

    • Jahar

      Having no children is too much for me.

  • vonskippy

    Yeah, with a mere 1.4 billion people, China needs to work hard at upping that population. Dear China, it’s QUALITY not QUANTITY that matters (unless of course you need more cannon fodder for your military).

    • Alex Dương

      You know China has a rapidly aging population, right?

      • vonskippy

        China Stats:
        7.17/1000 number of deaths (2015)
        12.17/1000 number of births (2015)

        Japan Stats:
        9.15/1000 number of deaths (2015)
        8.30/1000 number of births (2015)

        There’s no such thing as “rapidly aging” – everybody pretty much ages at the same rate (no matter how much pollution there is).

        China with it’s one child policy has a net gain of 5 people/1000.

        Japan has a population problem, for a few decades, more people are dying then are being replaced by new births. Add in their xenophobia against immigration and mix marriages and THEY have a real problem.

        China has plenty of people, the one child policy was made in an attempt to match population with resources – all that goes out the window if China allows more children on a large scale.

        • Alex Dương

          Take a look at the fertility rate. For China, it’s 1.66. Roughly speaking, the replacement rate is 2.1. So the way things are going now, China’s population will decrease in the future, not increase.

          • DD Bear!

            decrease is good. already enough!
            fk it, everywhere full of heads!
            rubbish people so many!
            not think about improve tech but only offer cheap labor to the world, no future!

          • jin

            Hey smart pretty girl, your soul is as dark as your pussy. Go grow some brain cells and stop talking, your comments gives me the cancer.

          • DD Bear!

            im sure your mom’s cunt it darker or would not born you.

          • DD Bear!

            then die early if i can give you the cancer!

          • Bman

            I’m pretty sure the world would benefit from a population decrease. At least until we start living sustainably and equally.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            However almost all developed countries are trying hard to increase their population. Maybe a population decrease benefits the world, but the countries which don’t decrease their population get most of the benefit.

          • Bman

            Sure, countries such as Australia actively encourage births in such a sparsely populated country. But that little bit of localized human scarcity doesn’t change the fact that the Earth’s countries desperately need to collectively ‘grow up,’ and provide for their current populations. Not just throw expendable people at their problems and assume growth will fix them. The entire concept of growth is severely flawed; sustainability should now be our goal.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            By “almost all developed countries” it includes USA, France, Britain, Japan etc. None of them are sparsely populated, but they all encourage birth in one way or another. I don’t know if you feel that you are more intelligent than all the economists and politicians in these countries, but I don’t think they are just “throwing expendable people at their problems and assume growth will fix them”.

          • Bman

            I believe you didn’t read my comment correctly. At all.

            I said that the Earth collectively should learn to manage the population it has, not grow more people.

            Nothing more.

        • mr.wiener

          It still spells out a “population bottlekneck” where less working people are around to look after more retirees.

    • mr.wiener

      …Or “factory fodder”.

  • Zappa Frank

    typical, once people get a decent life standard they don’t want to endangerd it anymore for children. Before chinese where by far more poor, but wasn’t a problem to have more than one kid, now they have the very same problem of other developed countries. The bad side is that thanks to the one child policy the population is going to shrink faster than it ever happened, potentially a huge problem for china

  • Foreign Devil

    The fact most people these days can’t afford to have multiple children is very good. Only the rich should have lot’s of children. .. Unfortunately now the poor have the most children.

    • Bing

      No. Breeding is like immigration, both riches and poors can do it without hesitation.
      So-called middles classes don’t have the guts to do it.

  • 42

    China is becoming too political corect, I rather thought the one child policy was a good one, actually it should be implemented worldwide to get population control.

    • Zappa Frank

      but than we should completely change our economy since a reduction of population means likely also a reduction of GP (that is the most important thing, we sacrifice virgins every day to improve it), not talking about the social system and the familes values.. all is set up for growing, shrinking of population (that i agree by the way) would make a mess

    • Bing

      I think Chinese won’t think one kid as a problem. Muslims do.

  • WghUk

    Just when the population is under control and the world’s resources are rapidly reaching their limits. Excellent policy.

  • well great! more locust is what the world just need

    • Bing

      What did Jesus say? Repopulate the earth?