Princess Kate Doesn’t Practice Chinese Medicine, Netizens Angry

Princes Kate Doesn’t Practice Chinese Medicine, Netizens Angry

Recent media coverage of Princess Kate’s childbirth has caused netizens to furiously debate the validity of Chinese medicine after she carried the baby out of the hospital just hours after giving birth. Chinese traditions require a woman to convalesce for a month following childbirth, and include a special diet and exhausting list of taboo’s to be followed in order to protect the woman from the “wind”. The coverage sparked an argument over whether the practice is still relevant, and several well-educated netizens explained that the traditions came from problems associated with the practice of foot-binding, and is perhaps no longer necessary in modern times.

Source: Netease

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  • mr.wiener

    I’ll bet she even washed her hair!!

    • Mihel

      Or rather, someone washed her hair for her.

      • James

        Or rather, she washed her hair herself.

    • Teacher in China

      And showered!

    • Teacher in China

      And, by the way, this is exactly what I mean by Chinese pseudoscience – there are tons of totally ridiculous things like this that many traditional Chinese still 100% believe.

    • Jahar

      She probably went near a dog too. And eats ice-cream when she has her period. and drinks cold water.

      • helsic

        lol I didn’t know about the ice-cream and the period thing.

        • Stefan

          If you eat ice cream during your period you can get breast cancer.

          • mr.wiener

            So all the guys who get breast cancer ate ice cream during their periods?

          • Stefan

            No, it only applies for girls. Not only ice-cream but any cold thing, like cold water, cause breast cancer.

            The Chinese argument is that the breast cancer rate has increased a lot in the west the last couple of decades but nobody knows why. However the Chinese think it’s because the cold things.

          • mr.wiener

            Do you believe this? ….if so I have this great bridge in Brooklyn I’d like you to buy.

          • helsic

            this is so funny!

          • Zappa Frank

            not having an explanation they pretty much invented one..

        • Bman

          I use that week to buy high priced ice cream and gloat. She’s slowly changing her mind, but those myths are imbedded deep.

  • DD Bear!

    why she gets old so so so fast????
    anyway, i do not need to do anything before or after give birth, so i do not care.my mom will take care of me.

  • bujiebuke

    Why would an Anglo-Saxon Duchess even consider Chinese medicine? How do you know that a netizen is well educated? Are they just making these articles up now?

    • Vance

      She may not even be aware of the Chinese maternity customs or that they do anything different from what she does.

      • bujiebuke

        none of the Chinese comments came off anything close to angry. The title is a bunch of garbage trying to get a reaction from people.

        • Vance

          That’s good. I would not think most Chinese people would care whether or not members of the British Royal Family practiced Chinese customs. This is a good candidate article for real translation and translated comments.

        • mistertibbs4u

          The insinuation is not that they were angry because the Duchess didn’t consider Chinese medicine. They were upset that if a such a public figure didn’t have to take Chinese medicine or follow customs, why should they? Had they been wasting their time on so many specific remedies and procedures? This was the meaning of the article.

          • bujiebuke

            “They were upset that if a such a public figure didn’t have to take Chinese medicine or follow customs”

            No, none of the top comments even hinted that they were upset.

          • mistertibbs4u

            While I agree, I think that was the intent and insinuation of both the title and the article written by CS staff.

          • bujiebuke

            I’m confused, you win.

    • Jahar

      I think the point is that in China they don’t know that women aren’t in critical condition for a month after they give birth. If they are healthy.

      • bujiebuke

        I think you missed my point entirely – the article is bullshit.

        • Jahar

          I understood that. I was commenting on the fact that the Chinese netizens don’t know that.

          • bujiebuke

            “I think the point is that in China they don’t know that women aren’t in critical condition for a month after they give birth.”

            This indicates you were responding to the topic of the article rather than the issue I have with the misleading nature of the article. Do you see the difference?

          • Jahar

            I was just giving you my thoughts on that.

          • bujiebuke

            Well obviously

  • Cameron

    Chinese get freaked out about every aspect of childbirth and raising the baby. Perhaps its the fact that they see it as carrying the family DNA down the generations + the extra stress of the (mostly) one child policy. Also rather they look at it as “theres no evidence that following these wacky behaviours DOESNT benefit the mother/baby, therefore Im going to keep doing it because everyone else is and thats how weve always done it”.

    • YaDan

      Perhaps. Also, I sense there is the fear that they will be blamed when the kid gets sick if they didn’t follow the traditions.

      • lacompacida

        It’s more about the mother than the kid.

      • Foreign Devil

        BINGO!

    • lacompacida

      Chinese are so freaked out about childbirth because in the good old days, rates of infectious disease of women just gave birth was very high, and there was no antibiotics to take care of them. And complications from giving birth, including Haemorrhage was very common, leading to death of the new mother almost always. And superstitious believes that wind carries sickness to the weaken also contributes. That’s why all the old-wives’ tales.

      • Da Qin

        interesting insight, thanks.

  • hess

    “perhaps no longer necessary”

  • Stefan

    Actually the Chinese have a point, childbirth is really tiring for a woman and it’s a good thing for her to wait one month to recover laying in the bed for one month.

    • hess

      No, no they do not have a point on that one. Do you seriously think giving birth to a child is so tiring that you need to rest in bed for an entire month? Oh and showers are obviously bad for new mothers, right?

      • Stefan

        There’s a reason why Chinese women look younger when in old age compared to western women, right?

        Anyway here’s the list, this is ancient Chinese secret that has been developed for 5000 years.

        She must stay indoors for the whole time with few if any visitors apart from her mother-in-law (who is in charge) and her own mother.
        She should spend most of the time lying in bed.
        She should do no work, no housework, no lifting, cooking or anything like that.
        She should keep warm at all times, and this means wearing pajamas or long-sleeved t-shirts and long trousers, thick socks(essential), and in winter a warm hat and gloves are advisable.
        Because she should keep warm, no air-conditioning or fans are permitted – even in the height of summer.
        She is not permitted to take baths or showers for the full 30 days.
        She is not permitted to wash her hair for the full 30 days. Should also not brush teeth for 30 days.

        She should not read, watch TV or DVDs, send or receive text messages, take calls on her mobile phone or a landline, play on her iPad. Listening to the radio or music is ok.
        Crying is not advisable during this time.
        She should only eat ‘warm’* foods such as chicken, mutton, pork, ginger, garlic, oats, walnuts, leeks, and pumpkin to counteract the ‘coldness’ of the postpartum month.
        She should not eat ‘cold’* foods such as fruit, raw vegetables, wheat, millet, crab, celery, cucumber, asparagus or seaweed. No spicy foods, no salt.
        She should drink plenty of lactation-stimulating soups made with ingredients such as pork trotters and peanuts, or fish with sesame oil, green papaya and goji berries.
        She should not drink cold fluids of any kind, warm liquids are best but tepid are tolerated.
        She must not take alcohol, caffeine or nicotine.
        Needless to say, no sex.
        She is advised to wear a post-natal girdle (which usually consists of about 10m of cotton fabric wound tightly round the belly area) in order to flatten the stomach.
        She should not cuddle the baby too much as that will encourage dependency, and the baby’s soft bones may not become as straight as they should be.
        If she insists on breastfeeding the baby, she should do so lying down, with the baby placed beside her, rather than sitting up and cradling the baby on her lap.

        • YaDan

          5,000 years of tradition says no iPads and text messages?

          An observant cynic may suggest that a bed-ridden mother to an only child has far less mothering skills after doing nothing for the first month of her child’s life. This works perfectly into the hands of her mother in law who then controls the woman, because she controls the grandchild. The mother then cannot cope without the mother in law’s help.

          Mother is then no use in the house, so is forced to go work to earn money for kid’s future education. Mother in law complains she doesn’t like it anymore in tier 1 city, so will take grandchild back to tier 3 city. Mother can’t do anything about it, because she can’t quit her job (has to contribute to the Tier 1 city apartment mortgage the grandparents bullied them into, in order to get married 2 years earlier)

          It’s all about power over the younger generations. 5,000 years of tradition has embedded this.

          • 42

            5000 years of tradition doesn’t mean it stops at 5000 years, it can accumulate new experiences. and playing less ipad or the computer eases the mind hence the bodily well being, thats no rocket science, but common sense.

          • Jahar

            why would boredom contribute to physical recovery? It’s not common sense at all.

          • mr.wiener

            At a certain point in history it was probably very good sense, just as most biblical laws made good sense if one was a member of a small Semitic tribe wandering around in the Sinai desert. But in the modern world they have outlived their usefulness.

          • Jahar

            there have been points in history where lots of nonsense was “common sense.” That doesn’t mean it was right, or useful.

          • mr.wiener

            Agreed, but let’s take circumcision for example. The argument for this is hygienic. In today’s world this is fairly nonsensical, but if you are the small Semitic tribe wandering around a desert without too much water to wash with it at least seams to make some sense, but then of course habits solidify into traditions and people don’t question the reason for their usefulness anymore….FGM seems to have no reason for being other than a method for a bunch of misogynists to control women’s sexuality.

          • Jahar

            let me just dance this drought away…

          • mistertibbs4u

            I’m sorry, circumcision was not first practiced by some small Semitic tribe. It was practiced by the Egyptians, who then passed their tradition on to the Hebrews. In fact, many of the Jewish customs were passed from the Egyptians onto the Hebrews (before Judaism even existed).
            Circumcision was practiced by the Egyptians as a rite of passage. Specifically why it was a rite of passage is unknown.

          • mistertibbs4u

            I know it’s a small point, but the Hebrews biblical laws were all based on the Egyptian laws of Maat, which were created as a blueprint for decency for each Egyptian citizen.
            I know it seems a small point, but you’re “go to” statement of a small Semitic tribe in a desert, insinuates these “Egyptian guests” magically created laws, concepts and practices such as circumcision, when they went to said desert after spending years among Africans that were thousands of years ahead of them in terms of society, culture and medicine. It just feels like a small piece of indoctrination we should get rid of, considering the fact this is 2015.
            Cheers!

          • mr.wiener

            Thanks for the info bite!

          • 42

            boredom is no excuse in neglecting physical recuperation. a pregnant lady after giving birth can smoke out of boredom or even play tennis out of boredom, but is it a good idea to do this? I don’t think so. sitting in front of the tv or even computer for an overmount of time gives stress to the body that might affect health, you might think it can be ignored, but all the small things can be a big thing. besides it is just one month that can maybe affect a lifetime, so as some people have also said this, better safe than sorry.

          • Jahar

            If their bodies are so weak a month after giving birth that they can’t watch tv, then there’s some serious, serious problems there. As you saw, it’s possible for a healthy human to walk out of a hospital without giving birth. No healthy body is that weak. Of course they shouldn’t be smoking, and no one is talking about playing tennis.

            If you want to be “better safe than sorry,” why not make it 2 months? or 3? This is no less ridiculous.

        • Vance

          Is she allowed to still be alive? I think the only people who could comply with this list are dead.

        • Teacher in China

          This is all a bunch of complete garbage. It’s time for China to step into the 21st century and discard all of this TCM bullshit. While I believe that rest is a good thing for a new mother, there is absolutely no logical reason for her not to shower and brush her teeth, and that’s only scratching the surface of this ridiculous list.

          • Jahar

            It’s just laziness, I think.

          • mistertibbs4u

            Had they said, “because the fluoride would be passed down to the baby through the mother’s milk,” I would have been “these guys are really on to something!”
            But not sure about that.

        • DD Bear!

          hahahaha!
          what you wrote is so funny!
          but i think most chinese women insist that have a good rest for one month after give birth is a good idea.
          chinese women do not drink enough milk, do not eat enough protein food, also bones too narrow…….so need to be cared well…
          hahahaha!
          people in my town always take eggs when visit the new mom and baby. my mother ate a lot of eggs after my sister gave birth, coz too many eggs to eat up.

          • Vance

            Eggs are a good source of protein.

        • Germandude

          Yes and a 5000 years tradition is kept alive because no one wants to hear that it was done wrong all the time.
          In fact, Swedish doctors found out that patients’ recovery is the fastest if “released into normal life” is done as soon as possible so that the body doesn’t even fall too deep into the state that anything is abnormal.
          Google it.

        • helsic

          Wait… “She is not permitted to take baths or showers for the full 30 days.
          She is not permitted to wash her hair for the full 30 days. Should also not brush teeth for 30 days.”

          WHAT THE ACTUAL F&%$CK!!! holy crap that´s so disgusting I can’t even imagine not brushing my teeth for a month! oh my god!

          • Vance

            It doesn’t seem that they are allowed to eat much so maybe their teeth don’t get so dirty?

      • 42

        If a woman gives birth naturally then you can bet its tiring, and even life threatening if gone wrong. In case of a cesarean procedure where a surgical operation is needed to take the baby out, it will reduce the risks and stress of labour, however it still needs at least several weeks for the operation wound to heal, in that case showering is not recommended as it could infect the wound. Other than that not showering doesnt mean you cannot wash yourself with a cloth. You just cannot engulf yourself with water which might give germs the opportunity to cultivate in your body or the risk of inflamation. The immune system is ofcourse weakened after child labour which put the body to higher risks.

        • Jahar

          Not showering can infect the wound.

      • Vance

        Taking care of a toddler for one day is so tiring that you need a month’s rest.

    • lacompacida

      Proper exercising improves the recovery of the mother. Laying in bed weakens the mother further.

      • Tinker

        They do exercise, just not (strenuous exercise) during the month after birth but once they finish ‘the month’, they can do strenuous exercise. You know, this doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone, right? There are many aspects to Chinese medicine, and a big part of it depends on the body or ‘tizhi’ of the person.
        For example, in Chinese medicine, Ginseng is a highly valued medicine that is supposed to be good for the body, but Emperor Kangxi specifically avoided it because he realized that his ‘tizhi’ was different than those of the Han from the South and he acknowledged that what’s good for them may not be good for him.
        Same thing with the month thing, some women have better ‘tizhi’ than others, so even without strictly following the regiments of the customs for ‘the month after childbirth’, they are still fine.
        My mother and aunts however were not quite as lucky, they all suffered from mishaps during their ‘month’, even to this day, my aunt has aches from the bad knee that she didn’t cover well during that period, and my mum suffers from neck pains during that period.
        Also a LOT of the ramifications that occur do not happen immediately, but later in life. They get pains in places they don’t understand why, they go to the doctors to get it checked but there’s nothing wrong with them in the test results, yet the pain is there and it only slowly gets worse. The only thing they can do is take pain-killers. How do I know this? Well ever since I was a child I’ve had massive headaches for no apparent reason and they’d last weeks. My mum took me for CT Scans, blood test and so on. All the results were normal, yet there was no denying that my headaches were there. Then came one day when a lady introduced us to a small clinic where a Qigong practitioner(also practices Chinese medicine) worked, and she managed to stop my headaches. That was also a changing point in my views, because before then my mum always made me keep warm by wearing many layers. She’d say I’d have problems later on, because the ‘wind’ or ‘coldness’ would get to me. And I always thought she was crazy(c’mon, ‘cold’ ‘wind’? That’s crazy talk) because all the other kids(non-asians) were doing it, and they were all good.
        But when I visited that Qingong doctor, she actually told me the very same things that my mum told me. So I argued my point about people of other races being fine with doing what I was told not to. She then explained the concept of ‘tizhi’ to me, and also showed me that many of her patients were in fact, not Asian, and suffered similar problems(if not worse) to those I mentioned above. Heck, even some of the specialists at her clinic actually went to her for treatment.
        I guess my point is, it’s not a point of whether you believe it or not, it’s a point of whether it works or not. If it works for the person, then who are we to tell them it doesn’t?
        *Also I would like to point out, better safe than sorry.

        • Vance

          Good explanation. Basically, different things work with different people. Diet and excersise programs are the same way. Which one is the “right” one? The answer, I think, is that one is right for one person while another program is right for another person.

    • Jahar

      you recover your strength by using it. Anyone who is still exhausted after 2 days would have to have been in miserable physical condition before having the baby. It’s not heart surgery. The body is tired, not horribly damaged.

  • mikochowjet

    Maybe she wore the anti-radiation vest while she was pregnant. That probably worked.

    • YaDan

      They buy the anti-radiation vests but refuse to stop using their mobile phones. That’s like adding orange juice to your gin when pregnant, because it’s healthier.

  • 42

    chinese medicin and diet have some valid points. never noticed how western women age not so well and so fast? their prime is usually at their mid twenties, and especially after pregnancy its all downhill afterwards. chinese people however often look younger than their actual age. I truly believe this is because of their diet and health improving medicin. So boiling up sharksfin soup and absorbing some collagen maybe it does do the trick.

    • lacompacida

      So you don’t think genetics takes a part in the ageing ?

      • 42

        No, because I noticed asians that live abroad in western countries who have western lifestyles and diets age not so good aswell either. It’s a common fact that many western women like to sunbathe making their skin darker which doesn’t help their aging aswell and the quality of their skin. Asian women however pay more attention to skincare. Japanese for example are known for their healthy diet which makes their lifespan last longer, so people definitely can control their aging.

        • Teacher in China

          I would say that the sunbathing factor is the main player in the early aging of western women; after that, maybe smoking (which is much more common amongst women in the West than in Asia); and after that diet, as in too much fatty food, sugar, etc. TCM and following of TCM practices such as the ridiculous post childcare nonsense have nothing to do with it.

        • Jahar

          This is not medicine. This is sitting inside, not doing anything except focusing your whole life to being pretty.

        • Mihel

          Japanese for example are known for their healthy diet which makes their lifespan last longer

          Despite the supposedly super healthy diet, average japanese lifespan is not that much longer than other countries who do not have super healthy diets.

      • tonkotsu

        So you don’t think diet and medicine affect genetics?

    • Jahar

      Yet you ignore that Koreans and Japanese, who don’t do this stuff, also look younger for longer. Of course then by the end of the 50s they all tend to look like they are 90. You ever think that it’s just genetics? Lebron James and greg oden looked like they were 35 when they were 18. and they are gonna look like that til they are 50.

    • moop

      I’d say blacks don’t age as fast as whites do either. are they practicing TCM as well?

      • 42

        I don’t know about african people using traditional chinese medicin or not, but maybe they have some medicinal herbs of their own.

        • mr.wiener

          Not sure African Americans are using medical herbs of their own….. on the other hand maybe not the kind of medical herbs you mean…

          • Vance

            I know some people in my frat in college practiced “herbal medicine”. I just never could get into that though.

        • Bman

          Some that i know like special herbs.

    • j8ment

      So why is life expectancy lower in China then?

      • 42

        Life expectancy is not lower in China, who says? it is around 75 years, and that is with all the pollution and all, just imagine without the pollution. Life expectancy in the United States for example is 79 years, just 4 years more, the reason is probably the lower poverty gap in comparison to China (people who have less money will have less means to spend on health) so the difference is neglectable. Life expectancy in Japan for instance is 84 years.

        • j8ment

          So, you say it’s not lower, then you post statistics showing the life expectancy is 5% lower, which is not a small number, especially considering that is 5% at the tail end. Maybe those five years can be explained by a belief in modern medicine instead of TCM. Also since Japanese also do not spend a month in bed after giving birth, this seems to validate my point further. I do agree though that the western, particularly American, diet does lower our life expectancy, not that TCM raises Chinese life expectancy.

          • Vance

            Also we have such a mix of genetic types that our life expectancy is an average of many different genetic makes. I think some of the longest life expectancies are in the Nordic countries and maybe other parts of Europe. They try to say this is because of something they do in those countries but the reality probably is simply that the population there is homogenous with a genetic make up inclined toward slightly longer life expectancies. Although I will say that it seems that Asians have a reputation for living a long time. I don’t know how true this is though. If so, this fact would have to be reconciled to the shorter life expectancy in China.

          • 42

            Japanese compensate probably with their healthy diet and lifestyle. Spending a month in bed after giving birth doesnt necessarily mean their life will extend longer , it just means that their bodily health will be in much better state and quality during their lifespan. If you live longer but have health issues during your long life, the fact that western medicine keeps you alive says nothing about the quality.

      • Bman

        Possibly because showering is dangerous, yet not wearing a motorcycle helmet and ingesting gutter oil are aok.

  • Ivan

    “chinese netizens debate”

    Yeah I’d like to see that debate, instead of some single paragraph story.

    • Jahar

      Someone should start a website that does that kind of thing…

  • Vance

    This would be a good one to expand to the translated article and comments since this has to do directly with a custom of the Chinese that may not be well understood by the un-Chinese.

  • FYIADragoon

    Ah yes, Traditional Chinese Medicine, the perfect counter-argument to any point about the age of something determining its validity.

  • DD Bear!

    why Nobody talks to me?
    i am very upset! heng!

    • Vance

      Don’t take it personally. Whenever there is anything involving the British royal family, people tend to get distracted and act crazy. They’ll be back to you in no time.

    • Chris Bullock

      Nobody talks to you because you are very upset

    • Bman

      Your replies seem kind of immature and narcissistic. Try going for funny or insightful ;)

  • helsic

    LOL really? I don’t know why most Chinese people follow Chinese medicine without questioning, I mean, I understand is their tradition but sometimes following something without thinking a little bit about it, can be bad for you. Specially medicine stuff. I have seen people getting really creepy treatments and spending a lot of money to cure themselves when the same problem could be cured with western Medicine faster and cheaper. I have a friend who got a really bad cold that developed in a kind of pneumonia and the guy spend thousands in Chinese medicine and a really long treatment of like 2 years… when it can be threated with antibiotics, I’m not a doctor but I had suffer from pneumonia before, you sure feel awful but you can recover in at least a month using western medicine!

  • Necrogodomega

    Ah, TCM and the one-month holiday for women that had a kid.
    I’m amazed that people are shocked that the West doesn’t follow this. Like people are always shocked when I say Americans don’t abandon their pets if they get pregnant. Cause, you know, it’s not gonna kill the baby. Chinese often just refuse to believe it.

    Also of course they shouldn’t keep doing this, but everyone knows they will.

  • redlobster

    Back plowing the field in an hour. That’s a lady.

  • Foreign Devil

    my cousin and her baby in utero both died in their hotel room while travelling in USA in her later term pregnancy period. If it was China I don’t think she would be doing a road trip in hot weather while in late pregnancy. So being extra careful could actually save lives. It’s hard to believe a mother and baby die in modern day US.

  • redgirls

    Dats nice.

  • 42

    Rumours now goes that Kate Middleton didnt gave birth to the baby herself but a surrogate mother did. And the baby was born maybe days before. It is highly unlikely she made a public appearance just hours after her labour. The plot thickens like hair gel……

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3066700/A-surrogate-gave-birth-Kate-say-Russians-Pro-Kremlin-newspaper-makes-series-bizarre-claims-birth.html

  • Apothis

    I seem to recall that post maternal Chinese women are not supposed to bathe for a month….Yikes!

  • DragonflyBeach

    I cannot find their anger, is it embedded in the white background or something?

  • Groenhorn

    Why would anyone even give a shit though, ffs she’s not even Chinese.

  • UserID01

    Why the fuck would she?

  • Eric Rodgers

    Why would people be angry, she is not even Chinese. Let the people who believe it believe in the crazy idea but dont be angry, just shove it up your ass instead.

  • Bman

    It’s all part of a culture of smoke and mirrors; control and unquestioning loyalty to those who deem themselves in the know. Even to ask why or what a doctor is doing will get you dirty looks. One thing I’m sure of; these old wives tales didn’t come about to protect the old wives. They came from a time when they may have been relevant, but they came from a place of ignorance and control. I applaud anyone who questions anything, and these netizens are doing just that. It’s one of the few things they are allowed to speak negatively about. Even though the superstition is so strong i doubt they’ll move past it in the near future.

  • stryker_dgreat

    It’s none of your business! She can absolutely do whatever she want to do!

  • Andy Mc Crab

    What i want to know is why have they not wrapped the baby up like a spring role from head to foot in blankets, socks and hats the middle of the summer like they do here in 35.c heat?

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