Shenyang Police Shoot and Kill 3 Xinjiang “Terrorists” , Arrest 1

Shenyang Police Shoot and Kill 3 Xinjiang “Terrorists” , Arrest 1

According to information from an official government website, Shenyang police shot and killed 3 Xinjiang “terrorists” who were carrying knives and resisted arrest. In addition to killing the 3 men, they arrested one 28-year-old woman and a 3-year-old child.Netizens showed strong support for Shenyang police, with the top comment saying “Terrorists must be attacked severely” and another highly up voted comment saying “Deputy Xu did a good job, he was decisive. Things like this shouldn’t wait, if it is obvious they are terrorists, they should be firmly taken down. Protect the people.”

Source: Sina

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  • JS

    always guilty before a trial in china…

    • 白色纯棉小裤裤

      Name a country where police will give terrorists in action a trial before pulling the trigger.

      • Bman

        In action…doing…? Perhaps you know more than I? Please clarify what terrorist act happened here and how this was different from any dude resisting arrest? Are people’s lives worth so little?

        • 白色纯棉小裤裤

          I do know more than you unless Chinese is your first language. But I won’t bother explain it to you. Why don’t you tell me first how is Bin Laden guilty and how is he different from the innocent people killed by Americans?

          • Bman

            Please do bother. Because I believe you can’t explain.
            That’s why you talk about America. However I am not American nor do I agree with their policies. And I’m not sure what America has to do with this. Nor Russia nor Japan.

            Now, back to the article. We are in China right? Good.
            Now, please explain what you meant. If you can. Why are these people terrorists? Thanks!

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            There are countless weibo posts and reports from various sources on this incident, but I won’t bother translate them for you for free. As we all know, even China smack Stopped translating these stuffs because it takes too much effort.
            If most Chinese speaking people believe they are terrorist then they are. Its funny how the people who can’t even read a single character of the original news report keep claiming otherwise.

          • Bman

            Because i don’t know what the truth is, and as there is so much racism and lack of rights, I assume unjust persecution.
            As for you, don’t be such a dickhead. Either explain your views properly or shut your mouth. Don’t bother coming here and pretend to be special because you speak Chinese; your arrogance is misplaced and unwanted.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            You don’t realize you are a dickhead already do you? I don’t think it is polite for me to ask an American why bin Laden is not a peace maker and vise versa. Or maybe in your culture this kind of question is acceptable?

          • Bman

            You are a dickhead because you said Muslims should be killed BEFORE it is determined if they are innocent. Now maybe they were committing a ‘terrorist’ act, but I bet a taser would have been fine. If not, explain why? What actually happened? I doubt you really know any more than usual. So if you can’t explain, shut the f up, you’re useless.
            What’s with your America obsession? Get over it.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Canada

            Canadian police shoot and killed at least 18 people this year without determining if they are innocent. Keep in mind that the population of Canada is only 1/43 of the population of china. so even if Chinese police shoot and kill 800 people in 7 months, its only as bad as Canadian police.

            If you are really concerned about killing before proving guilty, go to fuck the police in your own country first.

          • Bman

            I am concerned, and were I in Canada I would have the same opinion. I would express my concern. However my country is known for fairness of law. Any and all police usage of weapons is judged openly and honestly. China is known for the opposite. Wiki that if you like.
            Now, I live in China. Perhaps you should come to China too, where we can then discuss issues relevant to China. If not, screw off and complain to someone wherever you are :)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, Chinese police is known for their conservative usage of guns. Most Chinese police don’t even carry guns and the incidents of police killing people is much less frequent that that in Canada.

            And fairness of law is irrelevant here beacause the person get killed don’t even have an opportunity to be tried.

          • Bman

            I don’t think you are Chinese. In fact, I’m quite sure you’re not.

            I am far more entitled to comment on this than you. My intelligence is superior to yours, as is my experience, my moral center and my general physique.

            My Chinese reading is impeccable. I just don’t like propaganda so I stay away from the news.

            I prefer to come here and chat with dumbasses like you to understand the motivations of people without good morals, intelligence, or a pleasant physique.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Oh really? Do you dare to take the challenge of having a conversation in Chinese?

            网上吹逼的人我见多了,脸皮厚度和你一样的还真没几个。自以为很聪明却连中国人和老外都傻傻分不清楚,一副对中国深恶痛绝的嘴脸却还厚颜无耻地在中国一呆就是十一年。这种明明嘴上不想要身体却正直的老外多半就是一些在自己的第一世界国家找不到工作和老婆所以不得不沦落到发展中国家混口饭吃的屌丝,也许具有特殊技能的外籍白领精英和投资人士也是存在的,但就你那一副流浪汉的衰样我真没法昧着良心不把你和第一种解释联系起来。

            既然阁下自称中文阅读能力棒棒哒那么我也懒得用鸟语回复阁下的帖子了,来,战个痛快,谁怂谁是狗。

          • Bman

            How about you first address any of the 25 or so questions you’ve been asked, you subject changer you :) Than we’ll have a looooong conversation in Chinese, because I really do want to know you better. You’re the first person I’ve met in such a long time that makes me feel so intelligent.

            How about a meme to make this all clearer? You loved them before.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            哦?有什么问题是我没有回答的我愿闻其详。你不是自称中文阅读能力良好嘛,我也就随便打打几句话这对你来说应该是小菜一碟,用我的母语交流更可以加深互相的了解何乐而不为呢? 又聪明又帅气道德高尚的大家拿屌丝你为何这么怂?

          • Bman

            It’s called sarcasm.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            肿么感觉你前言不搭后语呢?你说我没有回答你的问题,我问了是哪个问题你又不说?

          • Bman

            Obviously you’re content with being a racist and I find that creepy. You’re not worthy of my valuable advice.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            请问你是用哪个屁眼看出来我歧视了哪个种族嘛?问也不答只会一遍遍重复同样的话你是复读机么?

          • Bing

            chinasmack和shanghaiist這種強詞奪理,雙重標準而又自大的癟三多了去了,你還真跟他們說話,這種b一看就是個拉稀貨色,你理他們。

          • Bing

            Your Chinese sucks as shit.

          • guest

            I think you need to repeat your main point. From what I understand, the thing your against is that these people have been labelled as terrorists without any facts to say that they are, I am I right or wrong?

          • Bman

            Sure. Don’t most normal people feel that way? Also the racist mentality in general. The poor kids here don’t even have a chance of developing normally when racism is not only condoned but supported by so many irrational people.
            Anyway, no use restating. Nobody listens.

          • Jahar

            That link says nothing about if they were determined to be innocent or not.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Really? Do you seriously think any one of the victims had the change to be tried and find a lawyer to defend themselves just before the police shoot?

          • Jahar

            Lawyers defending you have nothing to do with determining if you are guilty or not. If someone is shooting at them with a gun, they are guilty of attempted murder. That’s pretty easy to assess.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Interesting, May be you can re-invent the legal system then, so we no longer need lawyer and judges in these cases and save a lot of money.

          • Jahar

            If you mean “they haven’t been proven innocent or guilty by a court of law,” then you should have said that. No one here expects that to occur in every case in every country.

            Of course in situations where the police are required to use firearms, there are going to be deaths. But the information given here is leaving enough holes for people to wonder if lethal force was necessary.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            There are very few country were police don’t shoot knife wielding suspects who resists arrests.

          • Bman

            What would America do?
            Please, grandpa, tell us about America and how they like to shoot people.
            That story’s my favorite :)

            Anyway, maybe the police were justified. Maybe. We’ll never REALLY know because of the local track record of lying, covering up the truth, and manipulating everything we see or hear. That boy has shouted wolf so many times we just pretend he’s not there.

            It’s the general hatred and racism articles like this bring about in people like you that saddens and frightens me. The ferocity you use to attack anyone different from yourself is a trend that I hope becomes more and more diluted and dispelled by the wonderful Chinese people I know; not strengthened by fools like you.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            种族歧视?人参攻击?你这个帽子扣得可真是顺溜,为恐怖分子洗地还怪别人脾气冲道德差也是奇葩。
            按阁下的逻辑,中国警察一年杀50人,欧美警察一年杀500人, 然而中国是邪恶的毒菜国家所以我们要不惮与最大的恶意揣测他们。欧美警察的杀人都是正义的杀人,哪怕他们杀掉的人最终被证实当时是手无寸铁,哪怕他们一次又一次的试图遮盖事实,哪怕他们杀掉的人数是中国的十几倍,他们的杀人也是无可指责的。

          • Bman

            Sigh, you didn’t learn a thing, did you?

            And here I am thinking I’m helping the world by making you understand your hatred will get you nowhere.

            Good luck on your journey my friend :)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            亲,你确定看懂了我说的话么,一口一个种族歧视的帽子我倒是很好奇您是用您的屁眼从我的那句话里面看出了种族歧视的成分。莫非你我种族不同所以我歧视你的智商就是种族歧视?

          • Vance

            I’m just wondering if he is expressing his anti-American sentiment using his Apple Ipod while chowing down on chicken at KFC.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Why do you think I have an anti-American sentiment? Did I cursed american people or what?

          • guest

            He maybe speaking a little bit of truth, see link at bottom, they were killed in a raid on a building, but that doesn’t mean that they were actively involved in an terrorist action and its not unheard off for people to resist arrest when raided.

            It also could be the case of the neighbours didn’t like them because they are Uighur and phone the police about the group and two and two were put together.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-3161081/Three-terrorists-killed-one-injured-following-city-centre-stand-police-anti-terrorism-raid.html

          • Bman

            Thanks!
            So much more informative than, ‘you don’t speak Chinese so you can’t possibly understand. America is bad yadda yadda.’

          • Jahar

            You’re not Chinese, you can’t understand.

          • Jahar

            He can’t explain because he’s full of shit. If he tells you, then you can have a valid argument, but if you are ignorant, you can’t say he’s wrong.

          • Jahar

            “you’re wrong because of something i know that you don’t and im not going to tell you.”? if you aren’t going to explain, why mention it? why post at all?

          • mr.wiener

            The old: “You aren’t Chinese so you don’t understand” ploy…so soon?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, Its You Can’t Read Chinese so you don’t understand.

          • mr.wiener

            Same same.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            So you feel you can understand something even if you can’t read and 99% of the info is not translated?

          • Wai

            lol, i get it. the communist party of china is the greatest thing ever and they can do no wrong, right? stupid communist internet defence force.

            what
            this incident here means is that the government is able to execute
            anybody without any consequences and you dont have any basic human
            rights in china.

            also, 200 police against 4 ‘terrorists’ that has
            no guns or explosives but knifes and they cant arrest them without
            shooting them dead? lol.

            anyone that can defend the communist
            party of china wholeheartedly is the biggest traitor of the whole
            chinese race. this is a country where people that dare to sue the
            government or its officials would mysteriously ‘commit suicide’ or get
            beaten by random thugs on the street so they cant cause any troubles for
            the government, disgusting country.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I guess America is your example of great human rights? However comparing to American police Chinese police are extremely conservative in using their guns. American police will shoot you if you wield a knife, a pen, or a wii controller, and they will shoot you even if you threaten to kill yourself. And the officer who killed you would face no consequences.

          • Bman

            Dammit, get your head out of America’s ass. We are talking about China. I don’t expect you to admit China does anything wrong, but at least stay on topic. If you’re so interested in America, go there and complain, not here.

          • Jahar

            Why do you keep bringing up the US? Why not England? Germany? Saudi Arabia? North Korea?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Because USA is the democratic country with greatest influence.

          • Bman

            Agreed. Your jealousy of and desire to be American are of no concern to us however.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Jealousy of what? Democratic? I don’t need the democracy where police can shoot whoever they want without any consequence.

          • mr.wiener

            You think the US is the only example of a functioning democracy?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Nope, but someone says I am jealous of USA.

          • mr.wiener

            There are better examples to be jealous of.

          • Bman

            Interesting reply.
            I believe that in China 1000s of people quietly disappear very regularly for very simply stating their opinion. I’m not sure about America. Again, I don’t go there. But I’m guessing every story is big news and is lawfully prosecuted.
            What I am sure of is that you seem to be very angry about something, and I am caring less and less what exactly that is. Your ability to state your opinion needs some work :)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, its the exact opposite that every story of police shooting is a big news in China, however in the US, its like a routine so no one really cares. If you are interested, you can search Christopher Roupe, a teenager who was killed by the police for having a wii controller in his hand. Yet the police officer faces no charge. If it was in China it would have caused a national outrage and the officer would face at least a life sentence if not death penalty.

          • Vance

            There are not very many uncalled for police shootings. THe ones you hear about are so prominent because, one: they are rather unusual, and two: they are white cop/black victim being exploited by politicians who hope to exploit race relations to their own purposes, so when white cops shoot at black people, it is a hotbed issue.

          • Bman

            Lol, dude, really???
            How do I say this in a way you’ll understand?
            I’m not American.
            I don’t go there, live there, pee there or eat there.
            Nor will I ever.
            I live in China. I have for 11 years. My life and opinions are squarely focused on China. This website is Chinese. The ‘news’ here is from China.
            So if you find it impossible to discuss Chinese news this is definitely the wrong place for you :)

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            阁下是得了老年痴呆么,前一个帖子你自己还说你认为美国的枪杀是正义的枪杀来着。我也没说你是美国人, 仅仅是友好的告诉你你错了,美国的警察可以毫无顾忌的谋杀手无寸铁的人并且不用负担法律责任。你不住在美国我就不能跟你讨论美国的话题(然而你却可以吹逼美国是如何的高大上),这是草履虫的单线程逻辑么?

          • Bman

            Still talking about America?

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            自称中文棒棒哒的大家拿屌丝不会只认识美国这两个字吧?

          • Jahar

            it’s not related to the conversation. NO ONE said they support the US on this issue.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            Well, someone says police brutality is a result of the country not being democratic enough. So the US as the worlds most powerful democratic country, is relevant to the conversation.

          • Jahar

            I’ve read this whole thread, and I haven’t seen it anywhere. Could you quote or link it?

          • Bman

            You seem to feel that you understand things which you obviously do not.
            Sameth sameth.

          • Jahar

            He’s using the “I’m right and you’re wrong because of information that im not going to share with you” argument.

    • 42

      China is the new America. I hope not…

      • Bman

        Almost exactly the same.
        Except for the clean air, good health care, social safety net, worker’s rights, freedom of speech, politeness, charity, creativity, good education and the rule of law. Hard to tell the difference.

        • hess

          If theres two things the US is not known for in Europe its a social safety net and politeness….

          • Bman

            Compared to China their net is awesome. In China no kids means no net at all. You fall down nobody will help. You complain to the police; ditto. Pretty well every man for themselves, hence the money is everything mentality.

            He/She spoke of America not Europe, as is a general bias of wu-maos, therefore that’s where I drew a comparison.

          • ex-expat

            You got us on the social safety net, but politeness? I think it’s more about culture than anything. We could easily perceive many Europeans, for example, Scandinavians, rude, but in reality it’s maybe because they tend to be more private vis-a-vis Americans.

          • Bman

            I wasn’t trying to ‘get’ anyone. I hate that nobody queues, and people spit and hold their kids over garbage cans to pee in China. I’m aware some people don’t consider it rude, but I do.

          • ex-expat

            I know, I was replying to Hess.

          • Bman

            Oh, you’re reply makes more sense now…
            My wrong.
            Is it just me or is that girl surprisingly attractive?

        • Jahar

          And salty, buttered popcorn. Maybe you should have led with this.

          • Bman

            I make my own so i don’t miss it and forgot to mention it. Mmm, butter…

  • mr.wiener

    They arrested a 3year old child or they arrested a 28 year old woman with a 3 year old child?

  • redwhitedude

    It’s pretty much Muslim hunting season in China.

    • Bman

      Don’t you mean everywhere?

      • redwhitedude

        Nope. In China if you are a Muslim you must be a terrorist. Just look at how they banned observing Ramadan.

        • Bman

          That’s an ever growing mindset all over the world, from what I read. Propaganda fueled and misled as it is, people love to hate.

          • redwhitedude

            Really? Fasting in Ramadan is a terrorist act? Just showing signs that you are a Muslim automatically makes you a terrorist?

          • Bman

            Not sure who you are asking. I don’t believe Muslims are terrorists. What a ridiculous notion. The few Muslim guys I know are great friends. Religion is a personal thing and I would never judge that.
            So perhaps you should address your questions to those who think that way.

        • Jahar

          Not Muslims, Uighurs. The other Muslims are allowed to fast. Only the Uighurs aren’t allowed.

          • redwhitedude

            Race relations with Chinese characteristics.

          • redwhitedude

            Note how the Chinese assume muslim traveling abroad as jihadists such as with the case of Uighurs in Thailand that were extradited. It’s muslim hunting season according to the Chinese press and government.

    • ytuque

      Some people deserve to be shot.

      • redwhitedude

        Not every Muslim.

        • ytuque

          The majority in some Islamic countries

          • redwhitedude

            Show me the stats to back up your assertion.

          • Jahar

            Also, where are the PC police. Make fun of Chinglish, and you get told to behave. But saying most Muslims deserve to die is A-OK. Keep up the great work Chinasmack!

          • Alex Dương

            Dude, once again, the guy you were defending admitted he was bashing Chinese. You complain about me enforcing PC culture, but you aren’t even consistent in your complaints.

          • Jahar

            Who cares if he admitted it or not? You admonished him for it before his admission. And it was a dig at them being bad at English. This guy is straight out saying muslims should die. How could this, by any standard, not be considered worse?

          • Alex Dương

            Who cares if he admitted it or not?

            If you’re claiming that I’m enforcing PC culture (i.e. finding offense where none is intended or even exists), then yeah, it definitely matters if he admits to bashing Chinese because it means you have no argument. Seriously, think before you write.

            And it was a dig at them being bad at English. This guy is straight out saying muslims should die. How could this, by any standard, not be considered worse?

            It is worse. But why do you care? Aren’t you against PC culture?

          • Bman

            I think he is saying, if you want to paint one, be fair and paint them all. Its arguable that calling for genocide is worse than making fun of chinglish.
            Just saying…

          • Alex Dương

            if you want to paint one, be fair and paint them all.

            That’s fair. What I roll my eyes at is when a guy (vonskippy) admits to bashing Chinese tries to justify it with “well, cS tolerates Japan and Korea bashing.” That’s (a) untrue and (b) doesn’t make China bashing OK. You can say that rationally, he means “be fair and paint them all equally,” but the way it comes across is “Japan bashing is not OK but China bashing is OK.”

            With Jahar, if he’s accusing me of enforcing PC culture, gee, why is he uptight about this? Advocating genocide is worse than making fun of people’s second languages, I agree. But again, he should just say “be fair and paint them all equally” without playing the PC card.

          • Bman

            En, I see your point. Well stated. How do you feel about bashing bears and bunnies?

          • Alex Dương

            I’d never want to bash a bear IRL unless my life was on the line.

          • Bman

            Agreed :)

          • Jahar

            No, I mean, if you’re gonna try to limit racist comments, don’t just try to limit the anti-chinese racist comments.

          • Jahar

            How does it mean I have no argument? Racism is racism, whether he admits it or not. And again, you chided the first guy BEFORE he admitted it.

            I’m not claiming you’re finding offense where none is intended, I’m claiming that only racism again Chinese seems to warrant a mention.

            No, I don’t care about PC crap. I think people should be able to say what they want. I care about this because I care because i believe in fairness.

          • Alex Dương

            Racism is racism, whether he admits it or not.

            Then why did you defend him?

            I’m not claiming you’re finding offense where none is intended

            Then don’t play the “PC police” card. PC is about finding offense where none is intended or where none even exists.

            I’m claiming that only racism again Chinese seems to warrant a mention.

            Not true. As yet another example of why this isn’t true, we didn’t approve bunch of comments last month from an unregistered guest with issues against southern European people and gays. You didn’t see them because, well, they were never approved.

            Again, can we do a better job of enforcing one standard across the board? Yes, always. But if you want to make this point, just make this point.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            I don’t think Muslims deserve to die but how is Muslim a race?

          • Jahar

            Ok prejudice. We don’t have as simple a word for hating people based on their religion as we do for hating someone based on their race. In any case, you know what I mean.

          • Jahar

            The majority of people who say shit like this, you mean?

          • ytuque

            No, the majority of Muslims in a number of Islamic countries like Egypt and Pakistan support the killing of people who quit Islam…..

          • Jahar

            I mean people who talk like you deserve to be shot.

          • ytuque

            A read of the day’s news will show you it’s Muslims who are savages.

          • Bman

            Lol, anyone with any life experience at all has learned many times over that you can’t judge a book by its cover, or a man by his race or religion. You are a child trying to converse with grownups. You are an example of where society has failed.
            My advice to you, nay, my challenge to you, is to be a better person. To forgive, love, and improve the world.
            Are you able?

          • ytuque

            My advice is stop following the pedophile prophet and reject his life example. Reject the 7th century and embrace the 21st century.

          • Bman

            Uh, what?

            What’s with you and 白色纯棉小裤裤?

            You’re both proud to be evil? Sad, sad, sad…

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            看来我给你幼小的心灵造成了很大的伤害嘛,竟然偷偷在背后说我的坏话,自称中文棒棒哒的大家拿屌丝同志。

          • ytuque

            Evil is the example set by Islam’s prophet. How many slaves did he have? How many people did he have killed? How many sex slaves did he have?

          • Bman

            Sure, slaves aren’t good. Killing people isn’t good.
            And hating people based on an ethnicity, country or religion isn’t good.

            I’m just saying, two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re fueling the fire, not contributing to peace. Your hate will not stop bad people from being bad. If you truly want to stop evil, you’ve got to forgive, and look for the good inside.

          • 白色纯棉小裤裤

            我觉得世界各国不应对ISIS大动干戈,只有把你送到ISIS的大本营里劝说他们放下屠刀才能真正解决问题。

          • ytuque

            People who think like you are most likely inbred via 1st cousin marriage.

          • Jahar

            Because only imbred people think that people should not be judged based on the actions of others? They are the only ones who think that you shouldn’t be persecuted for their religious beliefs? They are the only ones who think people don’t deserve to be shot for that reason?

          • ytuque

            No, it’s a result of Muslims inbreeding via 1st cousin marriage as their prophet did.

  • Bman

    Didn’t I hear that many people carry knives? Is this now a definition of terrorism? Am I even allowed to read this?

  • ytuque

    Based on yesterday’s terrorist attack in the US, the Chinese have the right approach on how to deal with Muslims.

  • Foreign Devil

    I’m surprised ISIS is not attacking China more. for all their raging on about “boko Haram” (western sin). . it is China that is most strongly suppressing muslims and interfering with their freedom of religious practice. .

  • brucecarson

    Why is terrorists in quotes? What else do you call people who stab innocent men, women and children with the intent to cause terror? This has been the M.O. of these people. Good ridd’ins, hope they didn’t waste too many good bullets on them.

    Whether people in Xinjiang are oppressed is something that cannot justify intentional attacks upon innocents.

    • Bman

      Maybe they are terrorists, but what about innocent until proven guilty? Wrong jail sentencing can be reversed, death cannot.

    • Jahar

      You have reliable sources that that is what these 4 were doing?

  • James

    although i despise all religions because they are all an obvious pile of camel shit and anyone who tells me that they are religious or cannot see the obvious preposterous fallacies of religion and do not in someway have even a slight contempt for it are automatically and almost without exception correctly assumed by me to be inferior in intelligence and weaker in the departments of logic and reality… I do sympathsize with the plite of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang. However, they are going by it all wrong perhaps due to the weaker realities that their religious mindset influences them to have although they are probably not very strong in the logic department to start out with to have so many of their members commit to a religion like Islam. They will never terrorize their way to indepedence and are only making things worse.

    • Bman

      And the Earth is flat. To think its round is obviously illogical and I would argue that anyone who feels that way is inferior to me. I mean, round? We’d all fall off, up would be down, such crazy thinking.

      I think you get my point. :)

      To seriously believe that you know everything correctly is narcissistic and illogical, and history would agree. Even though I do agree with some of your points, I don’t believe I am right above all others.

      And ‘despise’ is an awfully strong word to use against people who merely don’t have the exact same beliefs as you.

      • James

        yes, your point is that people who think that the Earth is flat are delusional and idiotic, and as such, will never be swayed from their illogical and antediluvian convictions no matter how much evidence you present to them and are not worth my time in having an intelligent discussion on such matters and probably a lot of other subjects as well. And you are correct, I do not despise them as human beings with different “beliefs” as me, because science and logic is not a “belief,” my girlfriend is actually one of them, but actually I despise their stupidity and stubbornness.

        • Bman

          No. My point is that at one time people thought they were quite certain they knew everything. They were wrong.
          I guess religion could be seen the same way. Maybe there are things that we don’t understand yet. Regardless, people are all different, with different beliefs, and I enjoy that variety.

          Though I do agree, religions often don’t have much to do with God or faith it seems. Just another excuse for people to fight, or a way to pass on blame.
          I’ve always loved this cartoon, which sums up how I see it quite perfectly.

  • redgirls

    They haven’t gone away, you know?

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