Microsoft Ends Support for Windows XP, Chinese Reactions

Windows XP

The following microblog post by state-broadcaster CCTV is the 6th “hottest” of the day, and the #Say Goodbye to XP# hashtag is currently the second most popular…

From Sina Weibo:

@央视新闻: Tomorrow, Support for XP Will Officially End! — Tomorrow, April 8th, Windows XP will be officially retired, with Microsoft to stop offering customer support. When the time comes, although XP will continue working, it will be even more susceptible to Trojan horse attacks! Many domestic companies have declared they will continue “providing for the elderly” XP, but in a recent private “attack and defense exercise”, many third-party protection software were “instantaneously” compromised by hackers, so XP “is old” now. On this last day, those who have used [XP] before, raise your hands and #Say Goodbye to XP#!

Comments from Sina Weibo:

500强校园招聘:

Those who agree with me that XP is better than Windows 7, click upvote.

自由人-ZIRRO:

Are you thinking you won’t be able to use it anymore once it exits the market? What do the two have to do with each other? Go ahead and continue using it, do you think they’re going to go to your home and uninstall it? It’s just that they’re no longer going to give you software patches. Just how many people are actually using authentic/genuine versions anyway? How many have turned on automatic updates? Actually, after all these years, you not having their support is irrelevant!

小小的鱼儿ikc:

Those who agree with me that Win7 is better than XP, click upvote 32 times.

藝寳齋:

At first glance, I read it as “raise your hand for Maoming PX. [哈哈]

吴亖亖:

The computer in my home is garbage, used only by my father to play Dou Dizhu or whatever. If it is attacked, then great, he plays so much everyday that he doesn’t even make dinner anymore.

晶彩寳呗:

Nowadays mobile phones are used as computers, computers are used as televisions, and televisions are used as decoration. People like this, click upvote~ [互粉]

揭阳玉树临风:

Almost cheered, thought they were ending the PX project too. [哈哈]

墨子攻略13579:

I suggest all hackers abandon attacks on the XP system. For the honor and self-respect of hackers as well as the XP that has accompanied us for so long, we need to reach a tacit agreement! Hacker knights, spare aging senile Win XP, let us use action to tell Microsoft that they may have abandoned XP but we will never abandon it! I’m still fantasizing about XP being a defenseless system but still becoming an eternal classic. [拜拜]

shawkong-lau:

Retired, your mother, are they stupid cunts? 70% of users in China are all using XP, so you think it is retired just because you say it is? You stupid cunt.

米哈伊尔斯基:

Microsoft, please slow down, wait for us old users who can’t afford Win8. [泪]

惹毛我的人有危险汪汪汪:

XP dies on Qingming Festival

绝对痕迹:

If only computer operating systems could be like iPhone’s iOS or Android, pushed and seamlessly upgraded. Otherwise, having to reinstall software and restore data or whatever to upgrade is what is most troublesome for people. If these problems could be resolved, then many people would be very happy to upgrade [to newer versions of Windows].

朱朱91603:

I think XP is easiest operating system to use.

在火星的邓熙民不是煋人:

Microsoft, you motherfucking should’ve first stopped sales then provide a buffer/grace period of a continued service.

枪骑兵魂Lancer:

I only know how to use XP…

虫虫爬V:

I don’t understand, what is the domestic media is trying to do announcing this in this way? The words “service will be ended” [服务 can be interpreted as “support” or “service”] is inappropriate. Microsoft is just stopping their service of providing updates and patches for the XP operating system. After April 8th, the XP operating system can still be used normally.

我是丽池:

What are the users using XP supposed to do now?

来自星星的七柒-:

My computer happens to be XP, so what am I supposed to do now? Who can tell me?

钻石陈小五啊:

Hehe, what is everyone who has pirated versions of XP installed getting all fucking upset about?

呂青陽kikko_:

For next year’s Qingming Festival, I’ll sweep your tomb for you, ol’ XP…

00去哪儿了:

My computer is XP, can I no longer use it? Or do I have to go to a computer repair place and re-download/re-install some software? I don’t understand.

RicoLL:

I’m afraid to turn on my computer tomorrow, what am I supposed to do?

Dominicani:

Windows XP as the longest working operating system in IT history, I must say is indeed a miracle/wonder. It fully influenced a generation of gold prospectors, dreamers, thinkers, innovators. If it weren’t for XP’s success, we may still be in the X86 32-bit operations era. If it weren’t for XP’s success, we may still be in the 9x GUI era. If it weren’t for XP’s support, we wouldn’t have been able to popularize the SATA serial port high capacity hard disks.

这里的天多么蓝:

A bunch of ridiculous people who use pirated versions discussing what to do now that Microsoft has stopped customer support… there was never any support for pirated versions in the first place, okay?

热门快播:

To know each other is easy, to protect each other is not, XP, to be cherished.

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  • Mighty曹

    For sure XP was better than Vista. When Vista came out I actually uninstalled it and reinstalled XP on all my machines. XP did good for years. Thank you, XP!

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      Guess they’ll have to start pirating 7. I don’t think the Chinese infrastructure could survive on Vista.

      • Mighty曹

        I’ve been using pirated W7 from Shenzhen before the official release.

        North Korea’s space program definitely needs to upgrade from XP to Vista.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          You should import hats to NK, maybe that nasty cut will get less exposure.

          • Mighty曹

            That ‘nasty cult’?

        • Markus Peg

          True, vista works worse than any virus could. Though NK run their own software which looks kind of like mac OS X only it isn’t…

          • rollin wit 9’s

            Vista vs. Millenium edition which is worse??? Just a thought

          • Mighty曹

            Vista.

          • Mighty曹

            Despite their antiquated OS and hardware I must say NK is quite capable in hacking.

        • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

          I thought North Korea was running on its own custom OS.

          And when I say custom, I mean rip of of Windows XP that is buggier and more prone to freezing.

          • Paulistano

            Yes, they have their own OS and It’s linux based, so it couldn’t be a Windows rip-off, since they are different kernels.

            It’s called Red Star (lol, what an original communiska name).

          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Yeah Linux based. But when I look at the layout it reminds me too much of Windows… So unoriginal they rip off two operating systems to make one.

          • Mighty曹
          • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

            Yeah but knowing North Korea, they’ll probably proclaim that was a Juche inspired media player created for the Korean People’s Operating System.

            A nice way of saying they copy pasted all the code for Windows media to their Red Star OS.

          • Mighty曹

            Haha… yeah!

        • Paulistano

          Actually, North Koreans has their own OS. It’s called Red Star OS. Here is the description:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Star_OS

          • Mighty曹

            Should be called Red Bull (crap).

      • Markus Peg

        Nothing can survive running vista only…

    • Markus Peg

      windows 95 was better than Vista, in fact, everything that ever was or will be is better than Vista. Everyone knows it, even Microsoft know that OS was a steaming pile of dog SH!T…

      • noodles76

        Actually, Vista is fine. There was not many problems with Vista after SP1. Also, most of the initial issues with Vista were driver related.

        • Alex Dương

          I agree completely. Windows 7 was Vista with proper driver support at launch.

      • Mighty曹

        Hahaha… But after 95 there were all those forgettable ones leading up to XP. Remember Windows 2000 or Windows ME?

        • Alex Dương

          ME sucked but 2000 was great.

          • Mighty曹

            I wasn’t too keen on 2000 either. For some reason, from 95 onward I was not happy until XP. It was like dating a few girls until I found one I really liked. hahaha…

      • donscarletti

        Windows 95 was barely even an operating system. It had no memory protection so one process could take your whole system down. It only supported FAT32 filesystem, which was slow and easily corruptable.

        Even at the time it was awful, Windows NT4 was better than it in every way, Mac OS7 was superior too, and even Linux at that extremely early stage still worked better for basic word processing and web surfing.

        Vista on the other hand was a little bit bad with drivers to begin with. I got lucky it seemed and never had an issue, as did most folks who bought it pre-installed. Everyone who claims 95 was better clearly doesn’t remember how awful Windows was before Win2K.

        • Markus Peg

          To be fair, yeh, i hardly used win95, i used MAC os 8 and 9 which were my favorite MAC OS… All my MAC OS files would not run on MAC OS X… Funny that mac boast compatibility when it really isn’t. Im not a huge fan of modern macs…

          As for vista, its an exaggerated joke, everyone i know enjoys making fun of it, it may not be as bad with the updates but i did not use it long enough to get updates, i tried it it failed on my new laptop that had vista pre installed (wifi didnt even work) i thought “fuck this shit” and put XP on it

    • FYIADragoon

      I think the logical progression was from XP to 7. And it seems we’ll all be skipping again, since 8 is an abysmal failure on the PC.

      • Jahar

        really? I have 8 and I love it. I just wish there were more apps

        • FYIADragoon

          If you’re running it on a tablet it’s not the same. But its a complete cockslap to longtime Windows users on a PC. Perhaps you’re using a touchscreen with it?

          • Mighty曹

            Yup, W8 was predominantly designed for touch screens (tablets) because Microsoft predicted that’s where the future is. Another MS blunder, in my opinion. Hence, W8.1.

          • Markus Peg

            Funny that in text talk W8 can also mean “wait” which is what many should do with that OS… Wait for the next one..

          • Mighty曹

            Vista was renamed H8.

          • David

            I still miss Windows 95 lol

          • Mighty曹

            My first Windows experience was 3.2. LOL

          • Jahar

            3.1 for me

          • Mighty曹

            I think I did play Minesweeper on 3.1.

          • Jahar

            yeah touchscreen ultrabook. Screws me when i try to use my pc now. but even when i just had it on my pc it didnt seem that different from windows 7

      • Markus Peg

        Agreed, what is with the PC version of OS 8 is it a computer or a tablet.. I don’t want “apps” on my computer… I don’t want facebook “apps” the only reason facebook apps are around is because its ease of use on phones and tablets… Not computers that have good browsers and screen sizes…

        • David

          I agree. 8 might be fine if you have a tablet (which I don’t) but for a computer with a mouse it really sucks. I have had it on my new computer about a new (not new anymore) and I hate it WTH were they thinking?

          • wingedgenius

            They thought everyone would move to tablets like the Microsoft Surface at an exponential rate.

            MS *totally* thought they had a hit on their hands with the Surface and Metro interface. It was likely that they thought everyone would drop using the desktop, even in an enterprise environment, by at least this year…

            Goodness they were so wrong… Now after millions of dollars and almost a decade of R&D being wasted with widespread customer disapproval and poor adoption ratings, MS is reluctantly retreating from their original “One Microsoft” philosophy. It shows with their “Update 1″ to Win 8.1.

            Remember, they pumped *millions* into this idea… They aren’t about to give it up, even if almost every customer spits in their face and uses the iPad, Mac, or even use Android and Linux instead.

          • noodles76

            What kills me is that they didn’t make all the crap designed for tablets and touch optional. They tried to ram it down our throats. The GUI is very disjointed and non intuitive. You want to do what? OK…click this if in Desktop mode and that if you’re not. Search works one way on one screen and differently on another. IE functions differently depending which mode you’re in and you screw yourself out of IE in Metro/Modern entirely if you have another browser set as default. Jekyll and Hyde. They even f’d up the store which could have been a fantastic feature. You have to turn to a third party app to run Metro/Modern apps while in
            Desktop mode. I fail to see why MS did not add that functionality in.The 8.1 update addressed some issues but not nearly enough…and it’s a damn shame since it could have been a great OS.

            Their idea of one OS for tablets/touch and desktops/laptops was flawed from the get go. You can’t treat the separate environments as if they’re one. Users on a touch enabled device will use it differently than a desktop. They’ll want and expect a very different set of features for both function and usability.

            Not only was their vision flawed…they ignored an overwhelming number of testers and developers who, before the OS was ever released, told them why this would not end well. Just like Vista…Win8 will be ignored by the business sector and any market penetration they get will mostly be due to Win8 being preloaded onto store bought rigs.

    • Marcus Black

      Support for it is coincidentally ended on my birthday. :D

      • Markus Peg

        ________________________________ Happy Birthday

      • Mighty曹

        So you were born just today??? (8th here in Calif) :p

        • Marcus Black

          Yea

  • The FRED FONG

    Why would Chinese care if support has been canceled? There are only 2 authentic versions of any windows product in the entire of China…to hack and steal is the Chinese way

    • Markus Peg

      Do you always upvote your own comments? It’s funny how Microsoft let BING get censored and obey the Chinese government, yet, in return China fakes their software and use baidu…
      BING even censors phrases searched in Chinese overseas just in case a mainlander happens to use it… Ironic that BING can mean sick in Chinese, so true lol…

    • winterbitten

      Not everyone realizes they’re pirating. So, while we understand that it’s naive to think a 50-100rmb copy of Windows 7 is legit, many people here don’t.

      This is especially true if they have to pay money for something, no matter how small the fee is. My older students think they own their PSP games because they paid 20rmb to a guy for 20 games. Some people have probably never actually bought a CD/DVD or paid for a movie online before and thus don’t realize their entire music/movie library is pirated. My co-workers certainly don’t understand piracy when it comes to MS Office and Windows XP/7/8.

      So that’s probably why they care. That and a lot of people here just seem kind of dumb with regards to technology.

    • Strife

      It’s not only Chinese who does this. Please stop with this generalization bullshit.

      • fabulous

        Explain why “generalization” is “bullshit” for me.
        I hear it so much in these comments, as if it were an inarguable fact.

        • Alex Dương

          O…K…what do you want to say? No other nation has any individuals who pirate software? I hope you aren’t so naive (and really, stupid) as to believe that. The percentage of individuals who pirate software is lower in other nations? Maybe, but that doesn’t sound as sexy as “to hack and steal is the Chinese way,” now does it?

          • fabulous

            “Rambling, self-defeating and an effective example of why people use snappy generalizations.” fabulous.

          • Alex Dương

            So, do you have any actual point to make? Or do you just like to indulge in faux-intellectual masturbation?

          • fabulous

            I’m not speaking in parables.
            I wasn’t even speaking to you to begin with. So if anybody has their hand down my intellectual pants, it’s you.

          • Alex Dương

            Ah, so no point to make at all. kthxbai

        • SzMach5

          Are you seriously asking why generalizations are bullshit (or what’s wrong with generalizations)?
          Ok I’m an American and the adult obesity rates here is about 27%. That’s enough for some people to just generalize and say something like “all Americans are fat” when I and a lot of other people I know are within a normal weight range.
          Obviously that’s a wrong & ignorant statement which equates to bullshit.
          Not all generalizations are bad like this but most of them, especially on internet comments, are just silly.

          • Probotector

            “all Americans are fat” is an absolute statement. A generalisation would be “most Americans are fat”, which incidentally is not true.

            In any case, saying most people of a particular group are this or that is not bullshit if the statement is true, regardless of whether people like it or not.

            Note also how generalisations are only considered bullshit if they’re negative. If I made a generalisation like “most Chinese people are studious” (a subjective statement that others may disagree with) I wouldn’t get any shit for it would I?

          • SzMach5

            In my experience, some generalizations are subjective and not really “true” but I get what you’re saying.

            Everyone wants some personal uniqueness; I wouldn’t really like it if I was told I was exactly like someone else. Plus, it’d be worse if someone was generalized into something negative (when that person is actually different from the rest). I guess that’s why you’d get a lot of shit for negative generalizations.

          • Alex Dương

            “To hack and steal is the Chinese way” is an absolute statement. Also, your claim that generalizations aren’t bullshit if they’re “true” is just a cheap way of condoning racism, xenophobia, and other forms of prejudice.

          • Probotector

            Playing the race card every time you get criticised is a cheap way of condoning the things that you are criticised for. So what do you want? Do you want People to never be allowed to criticise any nation or society again, because that would be ‘racist’ or ‘prejudiced’?

            Why do you keep throwing what the fred fong said in my face? He said it not I.

          • Alex Dương

            Calling you out on your prejudice isn’t “playing the race card,” and one can criticize without being prejudiced. Unfortunately, you seem to not understand this, and moreover, you aren’t even criticizing China. You are just bashing it.

            As I said, there is a huge difference between “the Cultural Revolution fucked up Chinese morality” (criticism) and “a majority of Chinese are ignorant” (prejudice). It seems that you need more examples. No problem; I will oblige.

            Criticism: Chinese education does not promote independent thought.
            Prejudice: The Chinese are incapable of creativity.

            Criticism: Intellectual property law in China does not facilitate innovation.
            Prejudice: The Chinese can only copy.

            Criticism: China restricts many personal freedoms.
            Prejudice: The Chinese can never be democratic; it’s against their genes.

            Also, if you don’t want other people’s garbage comments to be “thrown in your face,” maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t upvote them?

          • Probotector

            I was not the only one who upvoted him. Why not go pick on the other 48 people who upvoted him?

            I accept you disagreeing with criticism of China, regardless of how blanket the statements are, but I can’t speak for what others have wrote, only my own statements. I said most Chinese are ignorant, because that’s what I’ve observed during my time here. It’s not based on prejudice. Like the other Asian nationalists on this forum, you jump to this conclusion, If you don’t like major criticism of China, perhaps you should consider what it is you and your society is doing to warrant such criticism hmn?

          • Alex Dương

            I’d be happy to “pick on” them if they, like you, aggressively defend their prejudice. I’m disappointed that you don’t see any difference between my four examples of criticism versus prejudice, but I can’t say I’m surprised. I guess you’re the kind of person who thinks “stop being a faggot and you won’t get AIDS” is “criticism.”

            Hint: It’s not.

          • Probotector

            See how you’re getting so personal with me? Your examples are simply twists of the argument. I already told you that my remark is based on observation, not prejudice. Many people agree with blanket statements against China (as the upvotes show) because they are true. Are you saying the truth is not a defence simply because it’s not what you want to hear? Now, you disagree with me that most Chinese are ignorant. Okay, explain how the are not ignorant. Make a case against my statement instead of incessantly saying “you’re prejudiced against China”.

          • Alex Dương

            See how you’re getting so personal with me?

            That’s pretty ironic considering that you said, quote, “If you don’t like major criticism [sic] of China, perhaps you should consider what it is you and your society is doing to warrant such criticism hmn?”

            Many people agree with blanket statements against China (as the upvotes show) because they are true.

            Or they agree because like you, they are prejudiced, and despite the intention of this web site to show that at the end of the day, we’re all pretty much the same, this site attracts people who love to hate on China.

            Make a case against my statement instead of incessantly saying “you’re prejudiced against China”.

            You’re making a statement that generalizes 1.3 billion people on the basis of what? Your “observations”? Wow, did you “observe” 1.3 billion / 2 + 1 people? No.

            Oh, of course you’ll roll your eyes and retort that you don’t have to; you only need to “observe” a sample. OK. Is your sample random? No. Are you “observing” dispassionately? No. You see bad behavior from some Chinese, and that means 1.3 billion Chinese are majority ignorant? Um, let’s try “no.”

          • Probotector

            How is that statement a personal attack on you?

            Are you actually saying that most people who read and comment on CS are prejudiced just because they agree with criticism of China and you don’t? These people probably agree because they too have seen the majority of Chinese behaving in the way we’ve described and therefore understand what we’re talking about. It’s pretty arrogant to say that ‘everyone is bad because they don’t think like me’.

            I’m not saying 1.3 billion people are ignorant, if I were I’d say ‘all Chinese are ignorant’, but I didn’t, I said the majority are. There is nothing wrong with talking about groups of people in a general sense. By very nature, generalised statements do not apply to everyone, but just the vast majority, and you are confusing the two. As I mentioned above, it’s the difference between a ‘general’ statement and an ‘absolute’ statement. I agree that there are people in China who are not ignorant, and probably a large amount of people, but they are not the majority. You can disagree with me, but again, as I’ve repeatedly told you, show me examples of how I am wrong. Show me evidence of China being an enlightened, learned and well-informed society, and debate me. If all you can offer are personal attacks, then you have no case, and perhaps is demonstrative of the ignorance I am talking about.

          • wnsk

            “I’m not saying 1.3 billion people are ignorant, if I were I’d say ‘all Chinese are ignorant’, but I didn’t, I said the majority are.”

            He didn’t say you said 1.3 billion (i.e. all) Chinese are ignorant. He is objecting precisely against you saying majority (of the 1.3 billion) Chinese are ignorant based on your unscientific observations.

          • Alex Dương

            You talk about “[me] and [my] society,” and you think you aren’t getting personal? Are you really this obtuse?

            Are you actually saying that most people who read and comment on CS are prejudiced just because they agree with criticism of China and you don’t?

            No. I’m saying the people who upvote comments like “to hack and steal is the Chinese way” / “a majority of Chinese are ignorant” are agreeing with prejudiced views, implying that they themselves are prejudiced. And to reiterate, prejudice isn’t criticism.

            There is nothing wrong with talking about groups of people in a general sense.

            This is just you saying, “there is nothing wrong with stereotyping.” All hatred comes from viewing people as members of groups instead of as individuals. I don’t think any of these riots in your home country would’ve happened if people had seen each other as fellow human beings instead of as “groups of whites / blacks / (South) Asians”:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_riot#United_Kingdom

            Show me evidence of China being an enlightened, learned and well-informed society, and debate me.

            So you want me to do something that you did not do? Because you did not show me any evidence that the majority of Chinese are ignorant beyond your *cough* “observations.” And as I already told you, which you ignored, you are unqualified to make that statement. You haven’t “observed” 1.3 billion / 2 + 1 Chinese. The Chinese you have “observed” don’t constitute a random sample, and your “observations” aren’t dispassionate.

            If all you can offer are personal attacks, then you have no case, and perhaps is demonstrative of the ignorance I am talking about.

            Coming from someone who has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to understand the difference between criticism and prejudice, this is hilarious.

          • Probotector

            “You talk about “[me] and [my] society,” and you think you aren’t getting personal?”

            Alex Dương • 15 days ago

            “I’m American. English is my native language…”

            So are you American or Chinese? I guess ethnically you identify as “Chinese-American”, so you probably mean you’re American when it suits you and you’re Chinese when it suits you.

            If I have observed the behaviour of Chinese society over several years through living among them, then yes, I am qualified to make an opinion on their society. Are you saying that no one can ever make a statement about a society/group of individuals in any way, unless they know information on every single one of them? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Frankly, you’re just nitpicking figures to make a weak case that general criticism of .

            Stereotyping is largely based on falsehood or things which are no longer true. A generalisation is fine as long as it is true. I am not the only one here who has said that generalisations aren’t bullshit if there’s truth behind them, and it’s that truth that you are either unwilling or unable to challenge.

            You were the one who began arguing with me, but after numerous replies back and forth, you haven’t once told me how I am wrong about calling the majority of Chinese people ignorant. Since you want to instigate an argument, it seems reasonable that you make the first case.

            You say I don’t understand the difference between criticism and prejudice, when (after perusing your other posts on CS) it seems that you take any criticism you see AS prejudice. More to the point, as you and the others (womaniser and wnsk) are Asian nationalists and the fact that you continue to plug this issue smacks more of pride and vendetta than it does of simply arguing for the truth.

            “All hatred comes from viewing people as members of groups instead of as individuals.”

            An ironic statement if you consider that Chinese culture doesn’t favour individualism.

            “I don’t think any of these riots in your home country would’ve happened if people had seen each other as fellow human beings instead of as “groups of whites / blacks / (South) Asians”:

            Deflection?

          • Alex Dương

            So are you American or Chinese? I guess ethnically you identify as “Chinese-American”, so you probably mean you’re American when it suits you and you’re Chinese when it suits you.

            Why do I have to be one or the other?

            Are you saying that no one can ever make a statement about a society/group of individuals in any way, unless they know information on every single one of them?

            Not what I said. I said you aren’t qualified because setting aside that you have not observed 1.3 billion / 2 + 1 (that’s a majority of Chinese, by the way) Chinese, the sample you have observed isn’t random, and you didn’t observe dispassionately.

            Stereotyping is largely based on falsehood or things which are no longer true. A generalisation is fine as long as it is true.

            You do realize that if you believe this, then one person’s stereotype is another person’s generalization? This is why stereotype is not defined in the limited way you suggested:

            “A widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing”

            http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/english/stereotype?q=stereotype

            It doesn’t have to be based on a “falsehood”; it just has to be an “oversimplification,” and that is exactly what you have done.

            More to the point, as you and the others (womaniser and wnsk) are Asian nationalists and the fact that you continue to plug this issue smacks more of pride and vendetta than it does of simply arguing for the truth.

            Nope, you don’t make things personal. Not at all.

            An ironic statement if you consider that Chinese culture doesn’t favour individualism.

            No, it seems the real irony is completely lost on you: you trash the Chinese although you now think like they do. Or perhaps you’ve always thought like them and this is why you asked me if I am Chinese or American, as if it is not possible to be both?

          • Probotector

            Considering yourself to be a member of two nationalities when you don’t hold passports from both nations (Another irony in that Chinese don’t recognise dual citizenship, but we’ll let that go) has always been a somewhat controversial issue. However, if you want to believe you’re both, then fine, I know what you mean is “I’m legally American, but Chinese in my heart” or something, and it’s obvious where your loyalties lie. However, the point is, if you’re American how can China be ‘your’ society? In which country were you born? Have you ever lived in China or even been there? As I said you’re Chinese when it suits you, and American when is suits you.

            To criticise ‘your’ society and to judge you as a nationalist who is being defensive out of pride are not personal attacks, but observations. However saying “Probotector is not as intelligent as you are” or making deflections about my country is a personal attack.

            The fact that you consider this prejudice and I don’t is a matter of opinion, and one we’ll have to disagree on.

          • Alex Dương

            Considering yourself to be a member of two nationalities when you don’t hold passports from both nations (Another irony in that Chinese don’t recognise dual citizenship, but we’ll let that go) has always been a somewhat controversial issue.

            Yes, because when you say “I guess ethnically you identify as ‘Chinese-American,'” clearly, clearly you were referring to nationality and not ethnicity, despite saying “ethnically.”

            Since you seem to feel this way, you might want to make a case on Wikipedia for the deletion of this article:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chinese

            And while you’re at it, argue for the deletion of this one too:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian

            However, if you want to believe you’re both, then fine, I know what you mean is “I’m legally American, but Chinese in my heart” or something, and it’s obvious where your loyalties lie.

            Wow, you “know” this? That’s amazing…ly inaccurate because that’s not how I characterize myself at all. My loyalty is to the United States of America, and my ancestry is Chinese. It’s that simple and rather sad that you can’t seem to fathom this.

            To criticise ‘your’ society and to judge you as a nationalist who is being defensive out of pride are not personal attacks, but observations.

            You know, if you had applied yourself just a little bit more in school, I’m sure you would’ve been a semi-decent lawyer. You don’t stereotype; you “generalize.” You aren’t prejudiced; you “criticize.” And when you talk about me in the second person, you aren’t making it personal; you’re merely “observing.”

            Personally, I think anyone who actually took and passed A-levels would see right through your bullshit, but still, you obviously have some talent for being able to always present yourself in the best light possible.

          • Probotector

            “My loyalty is to the United States of America, and my ancestry is Chinese. It’s that simple and rather sad that you can’t seem to fathom this.”

            No I can’t fathom this, because you just said

            “You talk about “[me] and [my] society,” Referring to China.

            If your loyalty is to America, how can China be ‘your society’? How can China be ‘your society’ if you don’t even live there. Again I ask you, have you ever been there? Do you actually know from your own experience what Chinese society is like. If you do, then great. If you don’t and if the only connection you have with China is your ethnicity and nothing else, then China is not ‘your society’.

          • whuddyasack

            You give him too much credit Alex. I think he just has poor comprehension skills. Especially since he can’t understand this:

            My loyalty is to the United States of America, and my ancestry is Chinese. It’s that simple and rather sad that you can’t seem to fathom this

            When he started off with this way before you even claimed that Chinese society was your society:

            If you don’t like major criticism of China, perhaps you should consider what it is YOU and YOUR society is doing to warrant such criticism hmn?

            So he basically chooses to dump garbage on you and then proceeds to accuse you of being the garbage dumper. How original… how typically Caucasian. Just my observation haha.

          • Probotector

            No, I assumed he was Chinese since he defends China so much, then when I found out he is not, I became confused as to why he takes criticism of China so personally, if that’s not where his loyalties lie.

            “How typically Caucasian” Really, you’re going the racist route?

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, but even now can you not see how Alex came up with this line?

            You talk about “[me] and [my] society,”

            Is it really that hard to understand why I made the shit-dumping comment that I did?

            It’s alright Probopass! No racism intended.
            Making an observation was all I did. Honest.

          • Probotector

            Oh you’ve changed it now. Okay, forget about me, you WERE saying ALL or MOST Caucasians are unreasonable. In that case, your argument is no different from what you claim mine is, a prejudiced generalisation.

          • Alex Dương

            You give him too much credit Alex.

            It’s mostly to restrain myself from grinding an axe on what I perceive as a tendency among many Western expats in China to think that they “know it all.” The irony is that as far as I know, Chinese organizational structure is indeed much more hierarchical than it is in the U.S.

            http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/09/six-brilliant-illustrations-of-chinese-and-western-cultural-differences/280037/

            So by having this attitude, they are trashing the Chinese while acting very Chinese.

          • whuddyasack

            Hmm… maybe I should try that sometime, but I think it’s better to be direct with most Western expats.

            Indeed, they are acting quite like the Chinese living in their little minds. But there is just one difference. I don’t think the average Chinese dabbles in superiority contests or sets aside time to observe and look down on the outsiders.

            Yang’s portrayal of the differences between China and Germany are brilliant BTW.

          • wnsk

            Asian nationalists? What the hell is that? Asia isn’t even a nation.

            Probo, there is no such thing as an “Asian Nationalist.” Even if there was, I’m not one. Come on, be reasonable.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            As someone who lives in Asia, you wouldn’t understand. There absolutely are Asian nationalists in the West, who see their Asian-ness as a more relevant identity than their specific ethnic heritage. They are Asian nationalists in the same way that there are white nationalists.

            Going back to our discussion from a few days ago, many Asians in the West see “Asian” as a broad racial term.

          • wnsk

            …sorry, I just don’t see how you can be a nationalist without there even being a nation for you to be nationalistic about. This Asian-ness you talk about, is at most an ethnic identity. So, I think you’re talking about some kind of ethnic supremacist–although that actual term may be too strong…but “Asian nationalist” doesn’t cut it either.

            (I haven’t heard of “white nationalists” but I did some googling and apparently the term originated as a self-descriptor. Do you know any self-identifying “Asian Nationalists”? I mean, Asians who actually describe themselves as such.)

            P.S Ok, I just some more cursory reading. These people who call themselves “white nationalists”…seem to be just white supremacists, trying to pretend or disguise the fact. It’s just a euphemism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            A nation needn’t be an existing legal entity to have passionate advocates. There exists “Slavic nationalism” which collectivizes the stakes of all Slavic peoples. There also exists “Arab nationalism” which collectivizes the stakes of all Arabic peoples. The notion of “Muslim brotherhood” is a sort of religious nationalism based on the notion that all Muslims are governed by Islam at the highest level.

            I have encountered numerous Asian nationalists (on the Internet); I believe user “dim mak”, who used to post on this site and/or its sister sites, characterized himself as an Asian nationalist. “Asian pride” is a remark I heard many times (usually in a lighthearted, humorous context) growing up in Southern California.

            You’re reading “nation” in a literal, legalistic sense. Nations are ultimately ideological rather than legal entities, and different people have different beliefs about what they think constitute nations. White nationalists believe that all white people should have a white national consciousness. Race-based nationalism is perhaps more conceptually feasible in ethnically-ambiguous regions like the Americas and Oceania, unlike countries in Europe and Asia where centuries-old ethnic groups still have strong, historically-based identities.

          • wnsk

            I don’t think it’s the same. Slavic/Arab/Muslim/even White nationalism are social movements. One internet user, or several individual ones, does not constitute a movement. So I don’t think this is on the same level, to be termed “nationalism.” I’ve considered what you said, but I just don’t buy it. I don’t buy white nationalism, and I don’t buy into Asian nationalism (even if there is such a thing, of which I still remain unconvinced.) In any case, I’m not too interested in debating this, although I certainly appreciate your input.

            …the greater point here that I wanted to make is that I don’t see myself as an “Asian nationalist” and reject being termed as such. (Maybe Probs was trying to call me a Chinese supremacist, but I don’t think anything I’ve said here qualifies me as one either.)

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            All nationalism is a social movement. German nationalism predated the unification of Germany. Italian nationalism predated the unification of Italy. Korean nationalism exists despite the absence of a unified Korea. White nationalism exists despite the absence of a unified white community. It’s all the same concept.

            Again, you underestimate how much your Singaporean background influences your worldview. “Asian nationalism” is just as much a reality amongst Asian diaspora in the West as “Chinese nationalism” is a reality amongst Chinese diaspora in Singapore.

          • wnsk

            And I thought my Singaporean background was supposed to make me more cosmopolitan. Apparently not, huh? Bummer!

          • Alex Dương

            There absolutely are Asian nationalists in the West, who see their Asian-ness as a more relevant identity than their specific ethnic heritage. They are Asian nationalists in the same way that there are white nationalists.

            Um, discarding old country tribalism and adopting a more pan-Asian view is hardly “Asian nationalism.”

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I didn’t say it is.

          • Alex Dương

            Yet you define “Asian nationalism” as “seeing Asian-ness as a more relevant identity than the specific ethnic heritage” and then immediately compare it to white nationalism.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            No, I did not say everyone who assumes a pan-Asian view is an Asian nationalist; I said that Asian nationalists assume a pan-Asian view, in the same way that white nationalists assume a pan-white view. Nowhere in my comment did I imply that a white American who sees himself as “white” rather than “Irish” or “German” is a white nationalist.

          • Alex Dương

            I said that Asian nationalists assume a pan-Asian view, in the same way that white nationalists assume a pan-white view.

            And here’s what I don’t get: why did you pick the least offensive part of [insert group here] nationalism as the defining characteristic?

            Do [insert group here] nationalists have a pan-[insert group here] view? Yes. But to say that is what immediately defines them really understates what they actually believe and push for.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I was specifically responding to wnsk being unable to comprehend the notion pan-Asian identity. That was literally the sole point of my comment.

            Read wnsk’s original comment again:

            Asian nationalists? What the hell is that? Asia isn’t even a nation.

          • Alex Dương

            It’s not clear to me that he didn’t comprehend the notion of having a pan-Asian view or identifying more broadly as Asian. And I still don’t see why you choose the least offensive part of [insert group here] nationalism as the defining characteristic.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            His subsequent comments have made it abundantly clear that he didn’t understand how someone could be a nationalist of a non-nation entity like Asia. I was simply explaining that Asian nationalists prioritize the collective stake of all Asians, thereby treating Asia like a top-hierarchical national entity. Honestly, you missed the point of why I said that.

          • Alex Dương

            That doesn’t mean he didn’t think anyone could be pan-Asian. It seems that I’m not making my point clear. In my opinion, you are poorly defining [insert group here] nationalism because the least offensive component of [insert group here] nationalist ideology, which you chose as the defining characteristic, is also the least informative.

            It’s like someone saying that the KKK is just a pro-white organization and only mentioning that it is anti-black, anti-Catholic, and anti-Semitic upon being prodded.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            I wasn’t making any attempt to define Asian or white nationalism. I was simply explaining the basis on which it could conceptually exist, because it seemed to me that wnsk didn’t see how nationalism could exist for an entity that isn’t formally a nation.

            I refer you to the following:

            …sorry, I just don’t see how you can be a nationalist without there even being a nation for you to be nationalistic about.

            …seems pretty clear to me. If I misunderstood, then my apologies.

          • Probotector

            Asian nationalist refers to a person of Asian ethnicity who is nationalistic to whichever nation(s) they belong to originally or hold ancestry from.

          • wnsk

            You could have just said “Chinese nationalist” since we were talking specifically about China. Saying “Asian nationalist” just confused the hell out of me.

            Please don’t call me that though. I could just as well call you anti-Chinese/Asian. But I didn’t.

          • Kai

            If I have observed the behaviour of Chinese society over several years through living among them, then yes, I am qualified to make an opinion
            on their society.

            Right, and the issue here is whether or not your negative opinions are rational and/or defensible. There is no question that your negative opinions are shared by many others. The question is whether or not you can see that your opinions are not “true” in the objective sense, that the “observations” you cite as the basis for them are are actually subjective and confounded by a variety of factors including misleading vividness, selective memory, and pre-existing prejudice.

            I’ve observed a lot of ignorance everywhere but I’d never think it remotely intelligent or of good character to so publicly and so nonchalantly declare the majority of any country to be “ignorant” (despite that easily being arguable for every country).

            Are you saying that no one can ever make a statement about a society/group of individuals in any way, unless they know information on every single one of them?

            No, he’s saying there are statements that communicate “criticism” and there are statements that communicate “prejudice”. See his previous comment.

            You know there are more than one way to express any sentiment. You know there are ways to say something in sensitive or insensitive manner. You know there are ways to communicate a criticism in an inoffensive or offensive manner. You are criticized for how you express yourself. Insofar as how you express yourself accurately reflects how you feel and think, then you are being criticized for how you feel and think. If you however feel you are misunderstood, then…

            If you don’t like major criticism of China, perhaps you should consider what it is you and your society is doing to warrant such criticism hmn?

            …if you don’t like major criticism of you, perhaps you should consider what it is you are doing to warrant such criticism, hmn?

            Alex clearly does not think China is above being criticized. He simply believes some opinions go beyond objective criticism and into reflecting subjective prejudices.

          • Germandude

            It’s funny to see that your examples actually just contain 1 statement of racism in its purest form by the definition of the word. And that one was brought up by Jackie Chan iirc:

            “The Chinese can never be democratic; it’s against their genes.”

            All your other statements are not pure racism but cultural prejudices. Not that these statements were any better, they are all equally stupid (well, but so is racism and prejudice).
            The problem is, the line between prejudice and racism is thin and getting thinner every day.
            To argue that you (or me, or anybody else) doesn’t use cultural traits, or habits to define a group of people would be a lie. This actually can start at far lower stages as in: “All New York Knicks fans are bastards” or “Guys that wear pink shirts are gay”.

            This is a very difficult topic especially in the west, where “political correctness” is shifting borders every second. And afaik, in the Chinese society, racism is celebrated on the daily basis without any restrictions simply for the reason this topic hasn’t been a real point of concern and discussion. Maybe the majority of Chinese are not even aware of racism and thus, don’t know that they are racist because it never occured to them?

          • Alex Dương

            Unfortunately, Probotector is not as intelligent as you are; he sees no difference between my four examples of criticism versus prejudice.

            On the subject of “political correctness,” I don’t know bad it is in Germany, but it can be pretty bad in the U.S. The Democrats are currently making a big deal about the “wage gap,” even though the oft-cited $0.23 gap is the result of taking two averages and then dividing them; nothing is controlled for in the comparison, so it is not meaningful. As I understand it, if you just control for one thing – have you ever been married? – the gap shrinks to $0.04.

            I’m not saying Probotector doesn’t have the right to be as prejudiced as he wants; he has that right. But I also have the right to call him out on his prejudice and to give my opinion that his prejudice is not criticism and that I am not invoking the “race card” or mandating “political correctness.”

          • Germandude

            You think Probotector is prejudiced, and to an extent I think so too. However, I would not call him a racist because I have not yet read him making pure racist comments, meanwhile I have read several comments of him understanding or even defending Chinese.

            Playing the racist card too early or unjustified on some westerner is pretty much the killer for any fruitful discussion and usually used by those without any idea of continuing a discussion (explicetly excluding you here!!!).
            It’s the same for me when somebody here shouts “Nazi” to me just because of me being German.

            Regarding your “wage gap” example: Sorry, I don’t understand it at all because I am not familiar with that discussion and couldn’t really follow your writing here.

          • Alex Dương

            Again, I would not say that I was “playing the race card.” As a literal manner, I did not call him a racist; I called him prejudiced. Moreover, when he is aggressively defending comments like “a majority of Chinese are ignorant” as criticism instead of bigotry, it is really dishonest and even childish for him to say that I am “playing the race card.”

            Perhaps I need to give some examples of what “playing the race card” actually is. You may not appreciate these because they all come from the U.S, but I am unqualified to give German examples.

            http://dailybruin.com/2013/11/20/students-defend-professor-after-sit-in-over-racial-climate/
            A black student at UCLA claimed that correcting his misspellings was racist. (I’m not joking.)

            http://www.8asians.com/2014/03/31/the-cancelcolbert-kerfluffle-why-suey-park-got-it-wrong/
            An Asian American calls for Stephen Colbert’s (satirical) show to be cancelled because she misunderstood one of his jokes.

            http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/27/justice/california-school-american-flag-shirts/
            Wearing t-shirts with the American Flag on Cinco de Mayo is racially provocative.

            These are examples of “playing the race card” because in each case, people are finding racism where it doesn’t exist. To repeat myself, I never said Probotector was racist. I said he was prejudiced because he is.

          • Guest

            @Alex Dương

            “Maybe the majority of Chinese are not even aware of racism and thus, don’t know that they are racist because it never occured to them?”

            Wouldn’t that qualify as ignorance then?

          • Probotector

            @Alex Dương

            “Maybe the majority of Chinese are not even aware of racism and thus, don’t know that they are racist because it never occured to them?”

            Wouldn’t that qualify as ignorance then?

          • fabulous

            CDC website says that:

            “Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 35.9%
            (2009-2010). Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight, including obesity:
            69.2%
            (2009-2010)”
            “All Americans are fat” would be inaccurate and an over-generalization.
            “Americans are fat” would be a fairly accurate generalization in the same vein as “apples are red” or “bananas are yellow”.
            Most of the objection to generalizations on this site comes from those who feel that the generalization is unfavorable.

            Generalizations are useful, everyday occurrences and, in language, allow for ease of communication. Educating people that there are exceptions to every rule would be more useful than putting out a knee-jerk generalization like, “Please stop with this generalization bullshit.”

          • SzMach5

            “Educating people that there are exceptions to every rule would be more useful”. I agree with this.

            I think it’s understandable to see a lot of objections to some generalizations because it’s not really fair to be grouped into something negative (like obesity) when really you’re not.

          • fabulous

            Oh, yes. I also agree with you Mr Mach.
            If a group I am allied with or wish to be allied with is being described in a negative way, I have every right to assert that I am / we are different. I also have to understand that generalizations don’t come from nowhere, and no matter how many times I may have heard them or how upset I am by them, it’s not anyone else’s job to predict my feelings or care.

          • wes707

            “90% of Microsoft customers in China using pirated software”

            90% is a lot closer to “all” than 27%.

            http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/012111-ballmer-hu-china-software-piracy.html

          • Markus Peg

            Are they “customers” if they pirate the software? =]

          • SzMach5

            It’s interesting how the article never really mentions how they calculated the “90%” statistic. Nevertheless, yes there are lots of pirated software around the world (like huge amounts of torrents just in thepiratebay) and there are always exceptions.

        • wnsk

          Strife isn’t necessarily saying generalisation is bullshit per se.

          Read it again. No?

          • fabulous

            How about I read it again? Yep.
            And then I’ll read my reply again. Yep.

            I’d say that Strife was saying that the use of generalization was bullshit.
            And I asked him why he thought generalizations were bullshit, because I know it’s a hot-button rebuttal here at chinaSMACK, and I wanted to see a flood of 21st century white knights stumbling over each other to come to the aid of their specific damsel in distress.

            I particularly liked the way that people mixed implicit and explicit absolutes into their unnecessarily long arguments against generalization.

          • wnsk

            Seemed to me like he was saying:

            This is bullshit;
            It’s also a generalisation.
            It’s a generalisation that’s bullshit.

            …But whatever, man.

          • fabulous

            Well then, if we both read it differently, maybe we should just agree to disagree.

      • noodles76

        Nobody said it was only the Chinese. However, I can tell you that China is the only country where I have seen pirated copies of operating systems being used on such a massive scale. Get over it. You should be proud. China is number one at something besides pollution and ping-pong.

        I am so tired of the ‘it’s not only the Chinese’ being used as some kind of a defense. Didn’t you learn as a child that saying things like that don’t work? “Mom…it wasn’t only me who shoved a finger in the cat’s ass, it was Joey too!!!”…What do you think happens then? Joey get’s in trouble while you get extra dessert for being such a good boy?

        • wnsk

          “Nobody said it was only the Chinese.”–>Yes.

          “However, I can tell you that China is the only country where I have seen pirated copies of operating systems being used on such a massive scale.” –>I can really believe that.

          “Get over it.” –> Yeah, I guess.

          “You should be proud.” –>What? Seriously?

          “China is number one at something besides pollution and ping-pong.” –>Oh come on now, don’t be patronising.

          • noodles76

            Yeah, I should have omitted that pollution/ping-pong remark. Wasn’t necessary.

  • Insomnicide

    People will get used to it. That’s just how Windows is.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/ Funkenstein

    An operating system should be all about getting to your apps as quickly as possible. XP was good that way, none (or little) of that pointless fancy bloated stuff. Unfortunately XP now needs burying in the backyard under a tree somewhere.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    You people still use Windows? LOL

    • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

      Is that really a surprise to you?

      • YourSupremeCommander

        Oh sorry, expats are known for their “success”, hence their need to go to a third world country.

        • Markus Peg

          What are you talking about? I see no relation to your comment and the above…

          • FYIADragoon

            He’s just mad.

        • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

          Success nothing. They’re an industry standard. Meaining they’ll always find business even if they are sub par.

          Like QWERTY keyboards, and Cobol language programming.

    • Insomnicide

      Using Linux won’t make you a 1337 hacker.

  • Taoran

    As so often with tech products, many users don’t seem to understand them well enough to interpret these news correctly, which is a pity. Of course they *can* keep using them, but for everyone’s sake, they shouldn’t.

    From a more global point of view this is also bad news. The more people don’t keep their systems up to date the more such systems will be compromised and integrated into large botnets without their owners noticing it, which makes the botnets more powerful.

    People who use old software = bad for everyone.
    But try convincing the tech-ignorant masses of this. Good luck….

    • Markus Peg

      Yeh, but you are fighting a losing battle.. Look at the statistics of how many people still use Internet explorer as their main web browser…
      Having said that, I still have an XP laptop media center which is fine, no need to upgrade it. Everything i do on that is offline anyway…

      • Taoran

        The times where IE was the worst browser are over, it’s no longer true. The current versions of IE are safe, modern and on par with its competitors.
        What’s really bad is if you use an older version of IE. But then again, that’s true for any browser.

        • donscarletti

          IE in some aspects is still the worst browser. IE is far better now than Crome/Firefox/Opera were 5-10 years ago, but the others have progressed in that time too.

  • FYIADragoon

    I can’t believe there are online comments that actually think this has any relation to them. You have to make a great deal of effort to acquire a genuine copy of XP in China. I doubt that even 10% of those users in China are running legitimate copies. When I was in university, the rich second generations even ran pirated copies.

  • Paulistano

    Windows XP is really outdated. I really don’t know how chinese people still use XP since even a computer super-noob like me can penetrate XP with simple tools using Kali Linux. I already think that Windows 7 is very flawed in terms of security, I prefer a thousand of times to use Linux kernel than super overpriced Windows. The ONLY thing that holds me using win 7 is games that I really like playing, guess Microsoft was pretty smart catching gamers when Linux failed to do this.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      I doubt you’re a super-noob as you claim to be.

      Anyway, Windows has its flaws but the biggest selling point for it now are the amount of software it can run (kinda like iOS and Android when it comes to Apps over WinPhone8). There are more software being ported to Mac now, but when it comes to games (a big thing for PC gamers as lets be honest, most guys of a certain age buying a computer want it to run games) it has to be Windows. I think give it a few more years and more and more games will run cross platform like we have with consoles. Steam already have a Linux version out. So it is starting.

      • Paulistano

        Nah, I am a super-noob. Just pick a kali-linux manual and replicate what’s writen there and the hundreads of tools really make the job easier for people like me. I have already tried to configure Gentoo but gave up, it was a pain the ass because require a colossal patience. Arch was a easier, but I’ve go a loooooot to learn yet.

        Yes, I agree wih you, Windows have many softwares including games and when you said why kids buy a pc, you can include me in your statistic (lol). But I’m little skeptical with the variety of sofwares that Windows can offer, because judging the top 20 softwares used in Windows, most of them have already included (FOR FREE) in basic popular linux distro like Ubuntu and Mint, so I don’t see a substantial difference for a commom person using Windows or Linux. Ex: Office, VLC, Adobe program style, internet browser…
        And, yeah, Steam is doing a truly favor for Linux users, but I’m afraid that it will take a decade or more to publishers fully give a chance to Linux, the few ones I played on Linux still have a lower performance compared to Windows. It’s sad when you open your Steam library on Ubuntu and only see 4 or 5 games when actually you have more than 100 games purchased.

        • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

          Yes, they are. But then you have certain software, such as Adobe’s suit that (unless things have changed) do not run on Linux based systems (I know there are linux alternatives). That is just an example. The other thing is, for really noob users, they are so use to Windows on the computer that they have trouble with using other UIs. Just think of the fuss the windows 8 with no start button made. People prefer to stick with what they know and since Windows saturated the market early on, that is what most people know.

          On gaming front, I do think games will be made but it really depends on whether there is a market for it and how much Linux penetrates the mainstream market. Ubuntu are doing a good job of trying to get it into more systems but there still are kinks. For example, on my laptop, it overheats when I am running Ubuntu. The great thing about it is that it does run faster and smoother than Windows 7 I have.

    • noodles76

      Microsoft didn’t ‘catch’ gamers. I don’t understand that comment at all. Microsoft has huge market penetration while Linux is just used by a very small minority of people as their OS on a personal computer. Obviously more games and vendor supported drivers would be written for Windows. Also, trying to support a game on Linux would be an absolute nightmare. There are so many distros, drivers, and UI’s/window managers out there so most game companies don’t want to touch Linux. It’s rarely a profitable endeavor to do so.

      • Paulistano

        Yeah, I didn’t clarified my statement. MIcrosoft used smart/dirty/lucky moves. You said MS has more penetration, but this was only because MS was smarter in their first move, they created a software with very good ease of use (windows) sided with Apple, Linux failed to do this miserably, popular Linux distros with easy usability (easy interfaces, automatic install of packages…) arrived too late in the market, so it’s natural that developers would prefer Windows since user base is much bigger.

        I don’t agree with you when you said that developing and supporting a game on Linux is harder. In fact, developing a game on Linux is on par with Windows, It’s already proved that if a developer put much effort (time, money, support…) developing on Linux as same he would put on Windows, the peformance would be the same or even better (according to Valve)!!!!!! Distros have a little impact when playing games but that wouldn’t be a problem, because the kernel and the APIs (OpenGL by the case) is the same, drivers would be the same too, usually from ATI or AMD. So the ONLY reason publishers don’t invest on Linux because user base is too small (yet), developing is not the problem here.

        Here is a VERY good read about this issue:

        http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/60544/why-do-game-developers-prefer-windows

        • noodles76

          I did not say anything about developing a game under Linux being more difficult than windows nor did I comment on performance. On this I think we agree…it’s about money. As you mentioned the user base is so small the payback for porting to Linux and especially for writing natively to it is miniscule. Valve is trying to alter the equation and I wish them luck. They have the money to throw at it. GOG also recently announced it will offer Linux ports as well in the near future. We’re seeing a lot more support for gaming under Linux right now than ever before. Either way, saying it’s just as easy to support Linux is wishful thinking. You said the distro does not matter much for playing games…so can you explain why GOG will limit support to Mint and Ubuntu and Valve only supports Steam for Linux on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS or 12.10? Understand that I am not against gaming on Linux…quite the contrary in fact. I’d love to ditch Windows entirely. We only disagree on the level of support required.

  • carmouflagger

    Meh, Mac OS X ftw!

    • Germandude

      Switching from Windows to Mac OS is like having had one bad date and figuring: Why not trying to be gay?

      • Rick in China

        Can’t comment on your analogy personally, but, I’ve always switched between macs and PCs, most of my life was a proponent of PCs. However, in the last few years, OSX advantages have become so significant I have started even doing work in my OSX environment and mailing it in to use on client’s windows thin client, because it’s *just that much better*. For developers it’s especially great, being that I can break into a term immediately and do whatever I need, rather than be restricted to a gimpy useless msdos prompt.

        • Guest

          True, and to quote: “everybody wants a Mac, because they are so bitchin’.”

        • Free Man

          I prefer OSX for work (try an SSH tunnel with key files on Windows {painful}), and Windows for my free time.

          On the job I can’t bother with an OS that randomly stops working and rejects hardware that used to work yesterday. Reading PDFs on a fresh Windows installation? You need an app! Open compressed archives like tar.gz or 7z? You need an app! Mac does all that. Automatic driver download for printers works on Mac much better than on any Windows. This can go all day …

          But at home there are some chinese people demaning QQ, which is really boring on OSX and hasn’t all the features Windows has. Also even though many good games become available on Mac and Linux, you only get all of them on Windows, so gamer still need Windows.

          While Mac usually offers the better software (for a high price), Windows has also a huge selection of apps for any kind of problem for any price range.

          Yeah, I am a nerd!

          • Mighty曹

            Window’s BSOD is enough to make one switch to a Mac.

      • wnsk

        Switching from Win to Mac is like leaving your loyal (though imperfect) wife for that pretty young thing you’ve only just met. It’s nice, but it can’t last. The Mac is in my bedroom, but I find myself going back outside to find my “wife” an awful lot.

        • Free Man

          Why switch? Be smart and do it like chinese men: keep yourself a mistress next to your wife. You can have an OSX running in Windows and Windows running in OSX. Magic keyword is virtualization. Apple has BootCamp and Windows has VirtualBox (just 1 of many free solutions), doing exactly this.

          But then again, this makes bashing Windows and Mac pretty boring.

          • wnsk

            I don’t know, participating in any sort of extensive bashing is kind of silly and boring. But observing the Mac-supremacists (and their Windows counterparts) wrangle pointlessly over shit is kind of amusing…for awhile.

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  • Paulistano

    Hhmmm… Interesting….. but the real solution is stop accessing Xvideos and suspicious e-mails, Claude!!! Just kidding hahahahaha

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    From my experience Windows 7 is pretty much just as good as XP. Vista was definitely a piece of crap because i wasn’t compatible with anything and it kept crashing. Windows 8 is also a piece of useless shite, It’s a wonder how they could have done something so awful, it’s just so hard to use. I just spent 30 minutes trying to find…..the control panel :(

    • noodles76

      Win7 blows XP out of the water. Vista…had issues. At the time Vista was released I was working a second job doing Vista small business desktop support for Dell. Almost all the early issues with Vista were driver related and those were not technically MS issues…the hardware/software vendors dropped the ball on Vista support out of the gate. This caused uneducated users to feel Vista was the problem. It can be argued that MS should take part of that responsibility and I won’t argue against that but it was certainly not the fault of the OS itself that RandomCompany did not have working Vista drivers available at it’s release. The second most common calls into tech support were GUI related. Users simply did not know how to find the things even though finding things became significantly easier under Vista. Go figure. Vista became a solid OS at the release of SP1 (service pack 1). XP became solid at the release of SP1 and great at the release of SP2. Win7 was great from the word go. Win8…has GUI issues though many were remedied with the release of 8.1. Under the hood, win8 is better than win7 but MS really goofed by trying to make one OS for tablets/portables and the desktop environment.

      If it truly took you 30 minutes or anything longer than 30 seconds to find the control panel under win8 you are quite possibly retarded. You can right click the lower left hand corner of the screen which will open a handy dandy Quick Access menu with Control Panel sitting right there, you can search for it, you can press the Windows key + I, and other ways.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        “MS really goofed by trying to make one OS for tablets/portables and the desktop environment.”

        Nail on head.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Right clicking the bottom left of the screen, now why didn’t I think of that! ? Nah, seriously i was joking about the 30 min, my point was that it’s not very user friendly for the uneducated users as you put it.

        • noodles76

          I figured you were exaggerating. Well..I was hoping so anyway. If you’re interested, here’s a list of some decent keyboard shortcuts. I hate clicking on crap if I can avoid it and yes…win8 is not user friendly if you have to hunt for everything. On that we certainly can agree.

          http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/windows-8-keyboard-shortcuts/

  • Guest

    News like this is irrelevant to China. In the company I used to work for, part of the job of the IT department was to “decode” software. Sometimes they purchased one authentic copy and made dozens themselves and distributed throughout the company. Serious cost-saving team.

  • rollin wit 9’s

    In a year it’ll be cool to talk about XP with all 3 service packs. Like a vintage collection right there.

  • Rick in China

    I like this, so ignorant:

    “Retired, your mother, are they stupid cunts? 70% of users in China are all using XP, so you think it is retired just because you say it is? You stupid cunt.”

    In fact, he is the stupid cunt, retired doesn’t mean nobody can use it, as the article implies, it just means no further patching or maintenance will be done hence it’s essentially a victim’s OS because, any time a security fix goes out for more up-to-date OS’s, the fixes can be reverse engineered and are more likely to be exploitable in the aging XP.

    Stupid fucks like this don’t realise one very important thing here: NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU USING XP! Who gives a shit? Banks. Most (almost all) ATMs run XP. Merchants. Businesses with actual data to protect. Nobody gives a shit about wang ping in shithole-village’s OS status.

    Note to interested: most gov’t and banking systems in China also run XP. Go get wet!

  • Womanizer

  • Alphy

    “Microsoft, you motherfucking should’ve first stopped sales then provide a buffer/grace period of a continued service.”

    MS have discontinue the sale of XP ages ago, around June of 08. They gave a year of mainstream phase out period, and are only now going to stop extended support on the 8th of this month. They are even now phasing out Win 7 purchase now. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

    Win 7 and 8 are much better systems, people just need to figure out how to use it properly.

    • Germandude

      I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the guy who posted this bought a fake copy of XP without realizing it, demanding for continued services…

      • donscarletti

        I would say that he did realize it. Cognitive dissonance, especially online allows anyone to get indignant about just about anything. He wants free updates to XP, he’s not getting it, thus MS cheated him, simple as that. You tell him that they phased out sales 6 years ago and he’ll just find a new reason to be the victim.

  • Jahar

    Seems as good a timeto post as any. If you are interested in a desktop/notebook/ultrabook with a legit copy of windows, DO NOT buy it in mainland China. I made this mistake. You are UNABLE to change the language on a mainland version of windows. its simplified characters only.

  • Insomnicide

    Win 7 is pretty much the new ‘XP’.

  • mr.wiener

    Lol

    • wnsk

      What is this? ChinaSmut?

      • mr.wiener

        Shhhh, that’s the members only club.

    • David

      I don’t understand why this comment was featured separate from the rest, until you brought it down of course.

  • Germandude

    Post of the month!

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    I’m sure I read this somewhere else before….still funny.

  • Marcus Black

    aaannnnddd……it my Birthday!! :D

  • Womanizer

    yep

  • Mateusz82

    You’re saying Mac OS X made you its bitch?

    • Mighty曹

      I was thinking the same! lol

  • Free Man

    Having a Mac is like having a big cock.

    It’s nice to have one. But please don’t slap it into my face or try to shove it down my throat!

    • David

      and here all this time I thought having a big cock was like having a big cock.

  • hellothere

    lol Do I need to go to computer repair shop? Just install FreeBSD!

  • Womanizer

  • Irvin

    I only use windows because of the games, if all my games would work on linux without hassle I would’ve switch years ago.

  • filabusta

    Oh man that made me lol

  • filabusta

    “Hehe, what is everyone who has pirated versions of XP installed getting all fucking upset about?”

    Definitely the best comment…

  • Apothis

    Alex, You need to get out more and also, lose your virginity….it’s really not that big of a deal

  • Mighty曹

    I’m very much liking 7. My current build has been very stable (except for one driver issue I had) with 2 SSD’s in RAID.

  • Mighty曹

    LOL! Yeah, I remember when ‘Real’ used to be the default audio player.
    不老不用

  • Mighty曹

    I’m sure they’re at least running on Pentium. lol!

  • Mony Xie

    小小的鱼儿ikc:

    同意win7比XP好的点三十二个赞

    Shouldn’t it be Those who agree with me that Windows 7 is better than XP…?

  • Markus Peg

    I’m probably going to regret asking. But, obsession with what?

    • wnsk

      clue: first syllable sounds like someone beginning to puke. like some liquid spurting or gushing or something. the second and third syllables combined sound like onomatopoeia for someone choking or gurgling, maybe because something sticky is stuck in the throat, or covering the mouth, basically all over the face. or something.

      …sorry, just can’t bring myself to say the actual word, because it brings up disgusting mental imagery.

  • Markus Peg

    Are you friggin kidding me?.. You give irreverent translations and then accuse me of being a troll… Did you even understand my comment?…
    I know that the Chinese characters they used does not mean sickness, I was making a joke about the English name BING. Why are you so defensive, are you in charge of BING China or something..?

  • Markus Peg

    Too true firebert5.

  • wnsk

    Shallow? Me? You’re the one who lists “looking good” as a factor. :p

    …I doubt I have less experience with computers (both PC and Mac) than you. I also use Linux at work. Each is good in their own way, for certain things. But people will have preferences, what’s so hard to get about that? I prefer PC because it’s more versatile (Linux is most versatile but it’s also more hassle; PC is just the right balance.) My PC doesn’t give me any more trouble than my Mac; it’s all about taking care. That said, if there’s a problem with my PC, I’d know how to fix it; if there’s a problem with my Mac, I’d probably have no choice but to call for support, and I hate that.

    Hyperbole like this–>”OS X is a hundred times better even than W7″ is what’s hard to get.

    • Markus Peg

      But windows 7 allows compatibility with older versions in order to run older programs, games and open files. When i switched from Mac 7-8-9 i was fine but when i moved up to MAC OS X i had to kiss good bye to EVERYTHING i knew and loved… I thought fuck this and switched to PC, i haven’t looked back…

      The thing is, in the past MAC was better than PC, it could do graphical things that windows couldn’t, but, nowadays the systems can do pretty much everything the same.. Only Mac has less support for a lot of things..

  • Mighty曹

    I’m curious as to how, back in 2007, you were aware of Windows 8 that was released almost at the end of 2012, which was preceded by Windows 7 and Vista?

  • Mighty曹

    That would’ve have been too much for 2007. Back then I never would have paid anything more then $2.

  • donscarletti

    He said “can” mean sick. I just casually type in “bing” into my phone’s Pinyin IME and get 69 different results, and those are just the “common” characters, counting obscure and obsolete characters there would be hundreds more.

    When an English speaker says “bing” naturally, it sounds like a falling tone, and the word said in that way by itself (for example as an interjection) will generally interpreted to mean 病 and nothing else. “必应” sounds like “being”, like “human being”, “state of being”, “the act of being” or something else equally likely to alienate all but the most pretentious of English speaking consumers. Not to mention the word “bing” featuring prominently on cn.bing.com until a week ago (when cn.bing.com ceased to exist and http://www.bing.com started displaying tasteless “metro” stylised “b”, So it is definitely “Bing”.

    In conclusion, “Markus Peg’s” joke is sustained and your trivial objections are hereby overruled.

  • carmouflagger

    Lmao!! How did i not see this in my mail?

  • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

    Christ – just install Ubuntu and be done with it….

  • Washington Bullets

    I have two different laptops, one running XP and the other running w7. I must say, I much prefer using the windows 7 laptop over the XP laptop. The hardware difference is negligible.

    • Alex Dương

      When did you buy the XP laptop?

      • Washington Bullets

        I got it from work about a year ago, but I’m not sure when it was purchased. On the bottom of the machine it has a tag saying it originally had 7 pro installed on it. I’m not sure who changed it over to XP, but it was put on there before I received it.

        I will admit my XP machine has only 4 gigs of ram but it’s got an i7 processor. My personal laptop runs on 7 has an i5 with 8 gigs of RAM and a higher end video card.

        I think the main reason I like 7 is because of the way it is laid out. I’m also a fan of the search bar in the start menu, which is a bit less cluttered than the search function in XP.

        I’ve got a third running Ubuntu which used to run fine but now it won’t recognize my graphics drivers and I’m not familiar enough with linux kernel to get it working.

        • Alex Dương

          Oh, I guess your employer’s IT department still preferred XP to 7. IMO going from 7 Pro to XP Pro is a huge, huge, huge downgrade, but if we’re talking an i7 laptop, then I see why you said the hardware difference wasn’t great.

          • Washington Bullets

            Thing is, I work in an academic setting where the majority of our systems run on 7. I’m not quite sure why they put it on there. I sometimes prefer to use the XP laptop with word processing mainly because it has office 2003 installed. I HATE office 2010 after they redesigned the interface.

  • Mighty曹

    Have you tried Ubuntu?

  • Mighty曹

    That’s a good thing. lol

  • Surfeit

    Someone’s going to get fleeced very soon.
    “My computer is XP, can I no longer use it? Or do I have to go to a computer repair place and re-download/re-install some software? I don’t understand.”

  • Kai

    The media isn’t making a big deal about it, at least not really any more than other media reports about it. It’s just that there’s a lot of people misunderstanding the news because they aren’t tech-savvy.

  • shadow44

    XP Forever.

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