Mother Throws Baby Into Traffic After Fight with Husband

The scene of the incident.

From QQ:

Mother Throws Two Children into Traffic after Fight, Infant Run Over and Killed

City Express: “Seeing this, I was trembling all over. How can there be a mother like this?!!” — This incident happened yesterday [April 29] evening on a road in Cixi [in Ningbo, Zhejiang province]. It was no common traffic accident, and it’s said the child was tossed into traffic by its own mother before it was run over by a truck. Eye witnesses say this mother threw her two children into traffic after having a fight with her husband, with the smaller one (only 8 months old) ultimately being run over, unable to be saved.

WARNING: Images below may be disturbing to certain viewers. Discretion advised.

From QQ:

Baby Girl Tossed into Traffic and Run Over Follow-up: Parents Wanted a Divorce with Neither Side Wanting the Children

[…]

Yesterday [April 30] morning, this reporter confirmed this incident from the Cixi Municipal Public Security Bureau.

Yesterday [April 30] afternoon, Cixi police reported this incident via their official Weibo account:

2014 April 29, an incident in which a baby girl tossed into the middle of the road was run over and killed by traffic happened on the Longshan section of National Highway 329. The police swiftly dispatched personnel to the scene to conduct investigations and interviews, where it has been preliminarily determined that on that day at 6pm, Hu (female, born 1975, from Jiangsu Donghai) threw her daughter (born in 2013 February) into the middle of the road on the Longshan section of National Highway 329, causing her to be run over and killed by a passing container truck.

At this moment, the suspect Hu has already been taken into criminal detention by the police. The case is under further investigation. Meanwhile, the police will give Hu a judicial psychiatric evaluation.

The scene of the incident.

The witness

“I climbed over the railing to the national highway hoping to stop [the woman].”

“[But] the baby had already been thrown under the truck”

The incident took place on National Highway 329, near the bus stop in Cixi City Longshan Town Ximenwai Village. On the evening the day before yesterday [April 29], despite the efforts of passing motorists to dodge [the child thrown into traffic], this horrifying fatal incident nevertheless happened.

[…]

“How can something like this happen? Just as I had gotten out of my car and climbed over the national highway railing hoping to stop that woman, at the same moment, the little baby had already been tossed under the wheels of the truck by her.” Recalling the scene, Mr. Yu still couldn’t believe what happened.

The scene of the incident.

The investigation

She has 3 children and are in the middle of a divorce

When arguing with her husband, neither want the children

[…]

“This woman isn’t a local, and it’s said she’s lives in Ximenwai Village for the moment, has three children. It sounds like it was because was fighting with her husband, and both said they don’t want [custody of] the children. According to the security guards at the police station, she even went to the police station that afternoon seeking mediation.” While this reporter was conducting interviews along the stretch of road where the incident occurred, quite a few people were commenting as such.

Yesterday [April 30] afternoon, this reporter confirmed this woman’s basic information from the administrator of the temporary residents of Ximenwai Village: the woman is surnamed Hu, is from Jiangsu Donghai, born in 1975, is a temporary resident living in Ximenwai Village with her husband and children.

[…]

“There seems to be something wrong with the woman’s head. She has already lived here for over 10 years, and has probably moved 3 to 4 times, with the last time because she she was always taking [stealing] her neighbor’s things, had been evicted by her landlord, and thus moved here,” described nearby neighbors.

“I heard that the couple has been fighting over the past few days, clamoring for divorce, with neither side wanting custody of the children. But doing to the children is too cruel. Even if she doesn’t want the children, she could still give them to other people. There’s always a way. As a mother, how can she do something like this? Even going onto the road to throw her children into traffic. Isn’t she also dragging the driver down with her?” sighed [neighbor] Aunt Li [from across the river], full of bewilderment.

From Sina Weibo:

南方都市报: Woman Tosses Her Daughter 3 Times, Causing Her to be Run over and Killed — April 29, on a road in Zhejiang Cixi, a woman threw her 14-month-old daughter into traffic three times. The first two times, cars managed to dodge [the child], but on the third time, the woman waited until the container truck was halfway past her before she threw the baby girl under it, where she was run over and killed. The driver got out and fell to his knees, as passersby rushed to grab the other 6-year-old boy. The driver wouldn’t stop crying while being interviewed.

Comments from QQ:

呱呱宝贝:

The husband is to take most of the blame, as a woman has already sacrificed a lot just having the kids. One woman raising two kids. One can easily imagine the pressure [stress, burden], and yet the husband still provoked his wife. That’s not right. A person enraged will lose control, which leads to serious consequences.

梦幻乜妹 /ka:

Depression results from trivial things in life. This mother must be suffering from post-partum depression, and perhaps only those who are mothers can understand her.

小月:

My God! How can there be such a mother~ My heart aches whenever my daughter cries. I simply cannot imagine [how she could do this]! Are those children her own or not?

月舞花下:

Women suffering from post-partum depression who don’t get timely help will surely make huge mistakes.

蓝鸟飞:

A man who got a woman pregnant without marrying her then leaves without a trace. When the helpless woman abandons the child, she is sent to jail, while the man remains free and unfettered. A man who got a woman pregnant lets her do all the work taking care of the child on her own he himself goes out having affairs with other women. When the woman develops post-partum depression and attempts to kill herself or her child, she is imprisoned, while the man remains free and unfettered, and even gets sympathy. So, girls, and women! When you decide to sleep with your boyfriend by his request, when you make up your mind to get married and have children with a man, you must think twice and choose your man carefully. Don’t ever think that because the children belong to the two of you, therefore, you are both responsible. In this natural world, whoever has the womb attached to her body is whoever shoulders the greater amount of responsibility. Stop bitching about equality between men and women, or sexual liberation. Think clearly before you pick a man to sleep with, or you’re the one who’s going to suffer!

不后悔:

I was there when it happened. And I was scared stupid. The older one was saved, but it was too late to save the smaller one. So cruel. Is she still human?

陈鹏飞:

I can only say… It’s not a human who threw the baby~ Poor child~ Rest in peace~

有缘:

This bitch has fully embodied the meaning of the saying: a woman’s heart is the most vicious kind!

☆尐伟の欣❤:

The driver isn’t going to be held responsible, is he? The driver himself was scared to death. Can’t believe this mother really did this! So heartless and crazy! She doesn’t deserve to be human! She’s worse than a beast, and should have been shot on the spot [executed]!

【桓】宝❤飞杨:

Please don’t publish this kind of news, I truly don’t want to see such things!!!

Comments from NetEase:

霞子qqq2025876282 [网易福建省泉州市网友]:

Just how much hate and heartlessness was involved to do something like this?! Even a vicious tiger wouldn’t eat her own children?

xly625125506 [网易江苏省苏州市网友]:

In this changing society, people have already lost themselves, and lost the ability to think through things carefully. Just like this, tragedies occur one by one before our eyes. So sad, and all that’s left is to sigh!

黄易资深临时工 [网易江苏省扬州市网友]:

For a vicious woman like this, it should be a sentence of intentional homicide [murder].

空亦空 [网易广西桂林市网友]:

What’s going on? Nowadays more and more people are losing their minds [rationality]. What do you think, my following commenters?

zhmdtt0 [网易北京市网友]:

Such a sin!

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  • IsurvivedChina

    WTF! CHINA! I could not even begin to understand this? These people are the spawn of evil and they need to be shot!

    • lacompacida

      Run over by the truck is more fitting than being shot.

      • Free Man

        Or sent to some prison with males only.

        • Irvin

          That might be a treat to some more than punishment.

    • Teacher in China

      This past summer back home in Canada in my hometown a young woman killed her two young children (I think they were like 1 and 3 years old old) and then went to the river and drowned herself. Not one part of me decided that all crazy people or all Canadian people or all women or all anything need to be shot. I understand having an emotional response to something like this, but get a hold of yourself and think before you post something so hateful.

      • IsurvivedChina

        you’re right, hence I post edited the comment. but I truly believe that people who kill children are evil and they deserve to be shot!

  • JohnnyBoy

    national embarrassment for our country and people again sigh

    • Free Man

      I don’t know why anyone but this lady and maybe her family + friends should feel embarrassed. Ah, got it, you feel embarrassed because now the foreigners know this happened!!!!

    • Irvin

      I’m not embarrassed, I’m not responsible for the actions of a crazy bitch.

    • WFH

      there’s not even an inch of embarrassment related to this. just a lot of tragedy and sadness.

  • Irvin

    “judicial psychiatric evaluation”? I didn’t know china had psychiatrists, they probably get someone random to put on a doctor’s coat and say: “this bitch is crazy!”

    • lacompacida

      It depends on what friends and family this bitch has. If there are friends and family in high places, it would be “this bitch is crazy”, or else, it would be “She wanted to end it that way.”

      • Irvin

        You don’t understand, crazy people in china get prosecuted just like sane people, sometimes they get it even worst.

    • Dax

      That would be wise. That way if they need to change their mind later, they can blame it on a temporary worker.

      • Irvin

        2 moves ahead and all that.

    • MonkeyMouth

      i had a master’s degree MSW class once…(thats Master’s of Social Work), was excited, cuz i have the equivalent of that degree… i asked the class what social work was. no one could answer….

      • Guest

        you had or have a master’s degree?

        • IsurvivedChina

          ignore top post read comment wrong..

        • MonkeyMouth

          Master of Science in Counseling

      • Irvin

        I asked my classmate once during a presentation of what came first, the chicken or the egg and no one can answer either.

  • MonkeyMouth

    why couldnt she just throw her own god damn SELF under the truck?

    • Markus Peg

      Because she is selfish, she wants to live, but neither of the parents wanted the child… Her shitty logic though this was the best way…. Let’s hope she gets a suitable punishment.

      • Repatriated

        Bullet in the brain pan is what she deserves…

    • lacompacida

      Coward ?

  • MonkeyMouth

    or was she so distraught over Big Bang Theory?

    • IsurvivedChina

      you should have left it with your first comment “why coudnt she just throw her own god damn SELF under the truck?” that said it all!

      • MonkeyMouth

        couldnt help myself…. you know me…

  • Markus Peg

    Sad story, Some people in this world are far too selfish and heartless. Apparently the story says “neither want the children” Is throwing them under a truck the only solution!?!? OF COURSE NOT!… I’m So saddened yet so angry at the same time. This kind of shit happens all the time across the world… Yet still we cannot say why….

    • IsurvivedChina

      when have you heard of any other country throwing children (babies) under a truck? I would wager that this does not happen as frequently as you suggest! regardless of nationality, this woman is a cold blooded murderer.

      • Markus Peg

        I did not specifically mean trowing a child under a truck, But killing due to not wanting the children or to get back at the father happens more often than you would think.

        • IsurvivedChina

          yeah your right, my stomach is still churning over this one, my bad if you felt I was a bit prickly! I was sitting here with kids the same age when I opened the page and my gut just turned. The fact that a mother can do that to her children is beyond me! there are some scary people on this planet!

          We have parents who want children but can’t and we have parents who have children who don’t want them, and then in the middle we have this woman and women like her! What the F*%k is wrong with some people?

        • Wololoo

          Based on a lot conversation with girls from China as well as the western world, I found that Chinese girl will blame anything the father of the child does to them on the child. E.g. when the father cheats and the parents divorce, the kid probably get beaten a lot.
          In western countries the people are aware that this stuff is never the children’s fault and therefore should not be blamed on it.

          Some conversations were in a relationship, some not. All of them at least with university education.

          Maybe white trash mothers would act like the Chinese.

      • loki

        blame this on ———— Holy shit, nothing!!! I got NOTHING!!! Wow!! If I would have been there to see this happen I would be in cuffs for killing that woman …. Holy shit …..

        • IsurvivedChina

          that makes two of us! ! had tears when I saw those pictures, sickening!

      • Butsu

        Actually, from time to time there’s women with depression after giving birth who will at times make suicide attempts together with their newborns. We had such case in Sweden last year maybe. While it might be different from this, mothers killing their children for whatever reason happens in every country.

        • IsurvivedChina

          no, you’re right, hence my response below!

          • Butsu

            My bad, didn’t scroll that far!

        • SonofSpermcube

          Infanticide and child maiming happens all over, but man China really knows how to make it pop.

          Also, they’ve got 3 times the population of the English-speaking world all in one more or less monolingual media market. Shit that happens in Sweden isn’t going to cross that barrier unless it is REALLY BATSHIT CRAZY. 3 times the population with equal or less attention span. Even if China had no greater prevalence of homicidal insanity (I am not convinced that is the case) it would still produce more instances of it and they’d all get paid more attention than boring shit that actually matters to anyone not in the family.

      • Pako-chan

        in america we have prom night dumpster baby.

      • Mark_Wallace

        Googling “murdered her baby” (in English) gets 66,400,000 results. I looked through the first few pages of results, and, apart from one in Rwanda and one in Israel, they were all in the US.

        If a mother reaches the point where she can kill her children, I hardly think the method used is important.

        • IsurvivedChina

          you’re right, scroll down for further comment!

      • MonkeyMouth

        Susan Smith (was that her name?)….rolled her car into a lake in North Carolina (i think…), then said she got carjacked by ‘black people’….3 kids inside drowned

        • IsurvivedChina

          scroll down.

          • MonkeyMouth

            i was just adding to the queue to scoll down…haha

    • lacompacida

      “happens all the time across the world” ? OK. China is your world.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Crazy bitches are scary, that’s why you don’t mess with them.

  • loki

    Bitch needs to be fucking put down like a rabid Dog…. WTFchina?

    • IsurvivedChina

      This has nothing to do with China, as tragic as it is! This is about a family torn apart and driven to the edge!

      • loki

        sadly, I wrote that almost immediately after seeing the pictures.. it was a bit too harsh… for that I am embarrassed..

        • IsurvivedChina

          hence my re-edit, the shock was too much!

  • loki

    That poor poor guy driving the truck omg…. What a horrific thing!

    • Kai

      Seriously, this mother basically traumatized an innocent guy who was like “I was just making deliveries, yo!”

  • loki

    Can you please someone take down the picture of the skid marks with baby stuff on the road it really is too much…. please its not right to put that there…

    • lacompacida

      You were warned not to look at the pictures.

      • Pako-chan

        should put it in a spoiler or some sort so we could skip it and not have to see it when scrolling down.

        • loki

          ^ agree so much

        • IsurvivedChina

          Umm they did, The big WARNING at the top of the page!

          • Kai

            I think he means one of those discussion forum features where the content is hidden until a button is pressed. Our site isn’t wired for such functionality (but its on a list of things to consider in a future redesign), and part of us believe there’s something faithful in showing you exactly what the Chinese netizens saw when they read the same article.

        • Commander Jameson

          It’s easy enough to ignore, if you really want to. I suspect you wanted to rubberneck just a little.

      • loki

        please, its not about gore…. and certainly not about me.. I am only concerned about other not so used to seeing such a thing and just being a little bit respectful… it is a baby smeared on the street after all..

      • loki

        didn’t see the warning until after the picture was on my screen …

    • Free Man

      If you keep reading stuff on CS, you either get used to it, or you do it like me: don’t read the article, just jump to the comments. I had my share of gore on this website and learned my lesson.

  • Marcus Black

    China has an astounding number of mentally unstable women. Since there are no establishments to treat mental health in China, this goes unnoticed since we all know Chinese are all about saving face. Anything but loosing face y’all. As a result, these women go untreated. They usually end up doing sh*t like this, killing themselves or get picked up by some unlucky laowai who later discover her mental health issues when its pretty much too late. It is what it is people. You don’t have to like me.

    RANT ALERT!
    I have such females on wechat who post every f*cking little thing that happens. They will post a moment every damn hour. Nobody gives a f*ck about you. Why do you try to hide your miserable, uninteresting existence by making it seem as though you are contempt with your life when I know you cry before bed and often get suicidal thoughts. Every f*cking hour it’s another post about this girl being tired from work blah blah blah. F*cking throw in the towel if you can’t handle it. This generation is so f*cked up it’s unreal. Everyone is so anti-social but try to disguise it as being sociable because they have followers on whatever f*cking social media platform they happen to use. And this other one posts damn selfies multiple f*cking times a day with that annoying look on their face. F*ck!!!!!!!

    • loki

      your comment has no place in this topic… you can whine anywhere you like but be respectful .. I am disgusted when I read you whining Shit… me me me me me me … get over it… The impact from the pictures and by what happened I truly hope hits everyone who sees this like a ton of bricks.. Something has to change…

      • Mark_Wallace

        What, you’re in charge of what people are allowed to think, now?
        What are you, the entire Chinese Communist Party?
        Send the guy to Room 101, Big Brother.

        You’re damned right that something has to change — in the case of this story, nothing can be changed; it’s a one-off tragic incident of a type that can’t be undone or prevented — unless you intend to place every married couple in the country under armed guard (which might be something the US government would like to do, but not the Chinese).

        Arrogance and stupidity in on-line postings, however, is something that can and should be changed.

        • IsurvivedChina

          oh the irony!

          • Mark_Wallace

            You don’t take a stick to a sword fight.

          • IsurvivedChina

            actually the jab was at you, you opened your post by questioning why loki should be judging other people’s posts and then you finish by saying “arrogance and stupidity in on-line postings, however, is something that can and should be changed” hence my reply!

          • Mark_Wallace

            Exactly. I took a sword to the sword fight.

            I’m English; we live on irony and sarcasm.

        • loki

          your an idiot. you made so many completely messed up posts who has time to respond to them all..

          I figure if your (insert some adjective describing his mental state) father and your (again)mother couldn’t bring you up right, what chance do I have in arguing with you ?

    • SonofSpermcube

      And that is why Twitter has always sucked. This isn’t a uniquely Chinese phenomenon.

      Anyway, holy shit have I met some DAMAGED Chinese girls. At least with my wife it’s more or less limited to severe anxiety re: her father. On that subject, I don’t think the rather extreme patriarchy here is helping anyone.

    • Mark_Wallace

      I think social media was invented to help make decisions on who to put on the other space ark.

      (If you haven’t read HHGTTG, you probably won’t get that.)

      • Commander Jameson

        That’s the only sensible thing you have said in this thread.

    • Germandude

      Marcus, I thought you have only been to China once for a holiday? How come you think you can judge this place?

      Your “RANT ALERT” is pretty freaking funny, considering that you were the guy coming up with the thesis that “living a free life in China is easier than in most western countries, considering that you can use your laserpointers to point at tall buildings.”

      http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/hong-kong-activists-surround-last-british-governor-reactions.html

      • Marcus Black

        You miss the point once again. I never said “ALL” Chinese women. It’s very difficult to not generalise in this situation. I never said I loved everything about China. I never said I hated England and other western countries. So what is your point friend? I have been to China once but I have seen enough of this sort of behaviour on the part of Chinese women to come to the conclusion that many have mental disorders. On top of that blog videos from people who have lived in China much longer and are married to Chinese women back this up. Just because I get irritated by narcissistic women on wechat doesn’t mean I think “ALL” women in China are narcissistic. My girlfriend isn’t (Not saying she’s perfect). Again what is your point mate? You are not going to kill the straw man buddy. He has never been alive to begin with.

  • steviewah

    I swear the parents are batshit crazy. Seriously, who the hell throws their kids in front of oncoming traffic.

    • lacompacida

      This bitch did. If she has a kid with her, she may not be allowed to have another one. Who would marry her if she cannot bring a boy into the family ? She is thinking ahead, just not about jail time or execution.

      • steviewah

        She wasn’t thinking at all. If those are her reason of justification, then her thinking is extremely simple and singular. She could have done things differently to remedy her situation, instead he goes out in broad daytime and tries throws her kids into traffic 3 times. Now what a more cold calculated bitch would have done things more discreetly. If she thought about the fact she’ll be thrown into jail or executed, then she should have just ended her life instead.

  • christina

    How heartless can these people be??
    The mother tried 3 times to kill her kid and the father didn’t do anything?!

    Soulless.

    • j.kimchi

      >and the father didn’t do anything?!

      How the hell do you make this into the father’s fault? The woman tried 3 times to kill her own kids. 100% the husband has NOTHING to do with this.

      He is a victim in this situation. And mature people don’t victim-blame. Would you be saying the same thing about the mother if she was raped?

      • lacompacida

        The father could have reported it to the authorities and may be the authority would do something about it, or not, since this is China.

        • loki

          clearly you have never been to China… Chinese police are as useful as a pizza delivery boy directing traffic..

      • christina

        How the hell is is not BOTH their faults?!

        The article says her actions stemmed from their (the wife AND husband)’s argument over custody of the children and if the other half of the guilty party were still there, he SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING

        • loki

          Hello, Christina,
          just wanted to take a moment and say that its really nobodies fault except the person that was actually throwing children into traffic…. No matter what was said or was was done there really can’t be and reason that would justify her actions… When you shift blame onto the husband regardless of what happened. It make you look bad..

          I know your not I actually went through and read a few of your posts .. your not a bad person, and I believe no matter what is said here.. Nobody in the forum could have the capacity to do anything like this.. so don’t let people get to you.. we all hate what happened I am sure we are all looking at this in disbelief and filled with all kinds of mixed emotions..
          I know I am ….

          • Mark_Wallace

            “nobodies(sic) fault except the person that was actually throwing children into traffic”?

            What, you think people get angry / depressed / suicidal / homicidal in a vacuum? That their emotional disposition and their actions are nothing to do with the things going on in their lives, with the way people treat them?

            And how clever of you to patronise someone who made an intelligent comment within such a redneck reply.

          • Surfeit

            An emotional disposition may well be caused by others, but they are not responsible for individual actions.

          • Mark_Wallace

            If the way you treat others causes them to take rash action that they would not otherwise have taken, then the responsibility for that action lies at least partially on you.

          • Irvin

            By your logic it was the jews fault that hitler tried to wipe them out? Or are you saying that it’s partially the baby’s fault for getting thrown under a truck?

            Your sir is a special kind of stupid.

          • IsurvivedChina

            Irivin, in regards to the jew comment, Were the jews responsible for Hitler, that is a tough one, but there are many historians who believe that it was through Jewish migration into Germany and other parts of Europe that Hitler saw his “perfect race” being destroyed. There are lots of books about it but he also blamed the jews for stabbing Germany in the back during world war 1, and he vowed to get back at them, so in his twisted logic they were responsible but I think it comes down to perspective! How you look at history, I can see where you are coming from though however I think we need to keep this tragedy in perspective – Both parents could have handled the divorce better and I guess it comes down to coulda woulda shoulda – and thus the blame game will continue!

          • Germandude

            I know Irvin threw the jews and Hitler into the mix under a topic that is called “Mother throws baby into traffic after fight with husband”. Eventhough I might not get the correlation between both, I jump in.

            Jews have been persecuted for centuries in Europe, long time before Hitler and it was never a unique German agenda.

            Hitler served in WW 1 and had a jewish officer above him who he thought didn’t want to give his life for victory. After the surrender of the Axis powers, Hitler felt betrayed by the leaders of Germany and Austria, which contained many Jews in top positions. He then figured that them being Jewish was the reason for “his” defeat.

            After all this, in order to explain why a strong country could fall through the mislead of few, he explained that the faulty leadership, just like a virus, can make the whole body (country) sick and therefore needs to be decimated.

            Can’t follow Hitler’s “logic”? Well, me neither, but at that time many fell for it because of economical turbulences and the need to find explanations.

            Jewish population in Germany during the 1930s was approximately 300,000, less before that.

            Why am I writing this? Topic here was “Mother throws baby into traffic after fight with husband”

          • Mark_Wallace

            Godwin’s law avoidance dictates that I avoid the irrelevant addition to the topic from Irvin, but on the “both parents could have handled the divorce better” topic, there’s currently no way we can know what stresses the woman was under, either physically or psychologically, or what family / peer / legal pressure was applied to both her and her husband over their having a second child — but I can’t see such an action coming from conflicts or problems that did not directly concern the children.

            I dread to think of the arguments that led up to this, but, as is usually the case, the act of violence will probably be the tip of a very bitter iceberg.

            However, it’s reasonably clear already that this was not an act of evil or criminality — e.g. it’s not like someone bludgeoning old women to steal their egg money — it happened because something was desperately wrong in those people’s lives.

          • noodles76

            Not an act of evil? I think we define evil quite differently. Look, I agree with you in part about folks making irrational, illogical, emotional, and/or impulsive decisions sometimes but that certainly does not negate the responsibility for the actions and results of such decisions.

            I don’t give a single rat fuck what was wrong in her life, what she did was reprehensible and inexcusable.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Certainly what seems right to someone in an emotionally charged and unstable condition is extremely likely not to be right at all, but this was not the calculated act of an evil person; it appears to have been a tremendously horrible act committed by someone who was unbalanced and in no way thinking clearly.

            Rare is the mother evil enough to kill her children, and this case fits the general pattern: the woman was severely emotionally unstable — the causes of which, in this case, are yet to be determined — and perhaps suffering from a physical (hormonal) imbalance which affected her behaviour.

            It was almost certainly not an act of “evil”, so treating it as such serves no purpose, other than to provide grist to the mill for people commenting before they bother to think.

          • noodles76

            Sorry guy, tossing a kid into traffic because you don’t want her is pretty f’n evil in my book. Regardless of what led to this tragedy it’s completely irresponsible to blame everyone and everything except the person who committed infanticide. There may be factors in play such as post postpartum depression or any number of other real emotional issues, however, that does not mitigate responsibility for her actions.

            I mean this in the nicest way possible but you come across as a bleeding heart who thinks nobody is responsible for themselves. This woman killed her kid…blame depression or whatever. That person carjacked an old lady….blame society and/or their socioeconomic status. That guy goes on a rampage killing 4 people…..must be because nobody heard his ‘cries for help’. Fuck all that.

            We are responsible for our actions. Full stop. Even if we are sorry about it later….and we don’t know if she is.

          • wnsk

            I get what you’re generally trying to say, but…I have the greatest difficulty with this: “it’s reasonably clear….this was not an act of…criminality.”

            Informally, the adjective, “criminal,” describes something deplorable and shocking (merriam webster definition)…which this incident surely is? (In spite of whatever reasons that may have led to it, i.e. we may consider mitigating factors, but surely we must condemn the nature of the act itself?) Formally, it means an act that is against the law. I’m no expert on Chinese law, but…infanticide isn’t a crime in China?

          • Mark_Wallace

            “deplorable and shocking” is the definition of the word criminal when it is used metaphorically for emphasis.

            The woman (from what can be seen so far) is not a “career criminal” who commits such acts for personal gain or profit; she is just someone in a situation which she, either physically or psychologically, could not cope with, so went (very far) off the rails.

            That’s a long way away from being a Mafia hit man.

          • don mario

            its evil.

          • Irvin

            I was talking more about logic than the article, Surfeit logic is sound while Mark was just idiotic which compels me to respond.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Was the baby treating others badly?

            Can you read?

            Obviously not.

          • loki

            I think he was saying that by your logic all thing in influencing her decisions would be to blame… which is absurd, the coffee at star buck’s could be making her loopy … etc..

          • Irvin

            You still didn’t answer the question of if the jews are responsible for the holocaust, because by your logic, they were.

          • Mark_Wallace

            You still have to prove that you can read.

            That association was constructed by you, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what I posted.

            It’s phenomenally obvious that if you make someone angry, you are at least partially responsible for any actions of theirs that result from that anger.

            That’s about interpersonal relationships, and has got **** all to do with kristallnacht, etc.

            Let’s try to get it through to you in very simple terms that even you might understand:

            If you make your mummy upset, she will send you to bed with no supper — and it’s *your* fault!

            If that’s not enough to get the very simple concept into your head, I’ll ask my buddy to do a pop-up book with no words.

          • Rick in China

            “It’s phenomenally obvious that if you make someone angry, you are at least partially responsible for any actions of theirs that result from that anger.”

            That’s ludicrous and illogical. Let me show you why, because obviously you’re phenomenally in a bubble about blaming everyone else, I’ll use your silly “mummy” example:
            I’m a little kid. I made mummy a mug with my fingerprints on it for mother’s day. She picks me up from school and I show her the mug, “Mummy! I made you a mug! I tried my hardest, I love you mummy!” — Mummy proceeds to pick me up, and throw me into traffic.

            Lo-and-behold, mummy had a mental issue that stems from hand-made cups. It reminds her of when she was young, and brought one home for daddy, who proceeded to rape and beat her, and whenever she sees hand-made cups now she relives those memories.

            You’re saying the kid instigated the memory, which instigated the throwing into traffic, therefor the kid is *partially* to blame. I’m saying you’re an asshole for implying such, and need to get a fuckin grip, it’s not all Newton’s Third Law when it comes to ethics, actions, and responsibility.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Quote:
            You’re saying the kid instigated the memory, which instigated the throwing into traffic, therefor the kid is *partially* to blame.

            Unquote.

            Jesus wept, are half the people in this discussion really so terminally thick?

            I dread to think what kind of relationships you have with people, when you all seem to know absolutely bugger all about human relationships.

          • Rick in China

            That’s not a valid response – just a weak personal attack – so I’ll have to assume you have no answer.

          • loki

            No, your wrong by this logic everyone would have a way to blame someone else for all things evil. everyone believes, on some level that an outside force caused them to take actions that were “Evil”. you hear it all the time,”god told me to do it” “she made me do it” “if you hadn’t cheated on me I wouldn’t have cut it off” etc…

            Everyone has a reason for doing everything they do. you have a reason for the way to comb your hair to the color of your shoes. reason and logic motivate us for every action taken in every second of our lives. that being said, regardless of the reasoning. You and you alone take responsibility for your “Actions” regardless of reasoning.

            I am sure in her(sic lady) mind she had reasons for her actions, and I am sure she spit them out in her defense for doing what she did. But, the real bottom line is nobody had a gun to her head, and she had other options.. I personally hope she rests in peace…

          • Mark_Wallace

            A fool looks for blame where a wise man looks for cause.

          • don mario

            please give me a cause that justify s throwing a baby in a road mr wise man?

          • Mark_Wallace

            Causes don’t justify anything; they’re simply the cause.

            E.g. a careless elbow and gravity don’t “justify” your mother’s favourite vase smashing into a million pieces, but they constitute a cause that can be examined/studied.

          • don mario

            so your little wise man statement changes nothing. the cause is still her fault.

          • Surfeit

            I think throwing your own kids into oncoming traffic qualifies as something much more than rash.

          • Surfeit

            I do understand what you’re saying though. To some extent I agree. Emotional responsibility and legal responsibility differ far too greatly though.

          • Surfeit

            +though though though though+

            Somethings wrong with me today.

          • Mark_Wallace

            There’s nothing wrong with repeating words. Only half-arsed “creative writing” courses focus on such things, because their teachers don’t have a clue what else to teach.
            It’s using the right words that’s important, repeated or not.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Meiosis.

          • don mario

            for that to be true then we would all have to react in the same way. and we dont, and there are not many people out there who would throw their baby in the road so what you say is not true.

          • Mark_Wallace

            I don’t know how you made the leap from what I wrote to that observation; it doesn’t fit the context at all.

          • don mario

            because the way you treat someone does not equal their reaction.

            the way you treat someone, and how they process it equals their reaction.

            if we all reacted in the same way, and we all reacted to divorce or whatever this story was by killing our babys then you might have a point and be able to place blame on the man. but we don’t and thus you cannot blame him for his wife choosing to react by killing babys

          • Mark_Wallace

            I really wish you’d stop talking such bollocks.

            For us to all react the same way to everything, we would all have to have led exactly the same lives, have exactly the same bodies and body chemistry, have had all the same illnesses and injuries, have had all the same experiences, and have had all the same relationships with other people.

            Basically, for everyone in the world to all react the same, there would have to be only one person in the world.

            Not only that, but *You* *Do* *Not* *Know* what stresses that woman was under, that led her to do such a horrible thing, and you cannot know what effect such stresses would have on you.

            *You* *Know* *Nothing*, but still you look to assigning blame, rather than look for causes.

            I’ll bet even your family avoids you, if that’s the way you are.

          • don mario

            making projections now are we? no doubt your sad attempt at a personal insult was a projection from your own life. all i can do is pity you if thats true and hope you can sort out any problems you have in your family.

            great, so you agree with me, and with a fact that nobody can really disagree with that we do not all react in the same way. and so this was NOT the fault of the man, it was the fault of the woman who CHOSE to react this way and kill her completely innocent and helpless offspring.

            glad we have settled that one then.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Grow up, Sonny.

          • Rick in China

            Lots of nonsense in this entire thread, it’s funny to watch you defend illogic so vehemently and tell other people they don’t know shit – I’m sure you’ll tell me the same. In regards to your whole defense of her not being a criminal or her actions not being criminal, what the fuuuuuuck, do you understand what that words means? You do not need to be a “mafia hit man” or a “career criminal” for your actions to be considered CRIMINAL actions, nor for an incident to consist of a crime. Are you seriously so dense as to imply that *evil* or *criminality* are kins? Evil is perceived, criminality is clearly defined – according to..um, criminal law. This was a crime – it was murder and infanticide. Whether we classify that as a lesser-version due to causation, like manslaughter or some shit? may be up to the courts, but it’s still absolutely a crime. Saying someone did not commit the crime out of “evil” or “criminality” is ridiculous and unjustifiable defense of someone who so obviously did something so incredibly disgusting and no reason whatsoever can justify the action. She tried to kill her children several times and ultimately succeeded in tossing one into an oncoming truck, and you defend that as “oh I bet she had some sort of mental difficulties, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT SHE WAS GOING THROUGH!” which I’m sure was followed-up by you, in real life, crumpling up into the fetal position on the ground, mumbling “I’m sorry mummy, I’m sorry mummy, I’m sorry mummy”.

          • Mark_Wallace

            No. This is criminal:
            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/guangzhou-train-station-knife-attack-chinese-reactions.html

            A woman doing something that will destroy her life and her soul requires somewhat more examination, before declaring what it is.

            But go ahead, look for blame. Blame it on the Stones.

          • Mark

            Lol. Mark_Wallace, so basically, u put your emotional state based on external factors, such as, other’s reaction, action and words?? damn! your life is gotta be suck, a lot. everyone has choice whether they want to react with the way people treat them. Intelligence people will not react based on emotional state, any intelligence people will think first, and then react. Everyone has a choice. It’s her woman’s fault that she couldnt maintain her composure to think clearly. Step out of your mind, and become a spectator of your life, that will liberate you even from your own emotion. And please, stop commenting about intelligent when you dont know the definition of it. Thank you

          • Mark_Wallace

            I think you’ve probably got quite a lot to learn about yourself. Try recording your own behaviour, and see how much of it is based on “intelligence” and how much on responses to stimuli.

            I’m sure you’ll try very hard to rationalise that each of your emotional responses is purely intellectual, but it won’t wash.

          • loki

            your a moron… regardless of how we act during the day based on reactions to outside stimuli. It cannot be used to explain the throwing of a child into a street multiple times. the only reaction to her environment, was she waited for the truck to go by before throwing the child under the back tires because she knew the truck could swerve…. She made the choice and actively made decisions to make her desired outcome a reality.

          • Dr Sun

            thats not entirely true, intelligent people react (and sometimes badly) without thinking all the time. You Just have to many of the blogs on here to know that.

          • loki

            ok, so your saying its other peoples fault… ? lets be clear here no beating around the bush… it is or it is not…

            let’s say —-you were my wife/partner and I called you fat and threw rocks and pushed you in the mud everyday for 20 years…. is it my fault the you wanted to kill your self? maybe…. but is my fault that you did kill yourself.. NO!!

            there is always other options… get it…

            she had other options, an infinite amount of other shit she could have done that didn’t involve throwing children in the path of moving vehicles..

          • Mark_Wallace

            Dear oh dear.

          • Dr Sun

            lets put it differently Loki, you kidnap a young woman, imprisoned her and assaulted her every day, she kills herself. Is it your fault…most certainly it is.

          • Blue

            I may be wrong, but isn’t Christina simply saying, that if the husband was at the scene, what on earth was he doing? After all, she threw the girl 3 times! That’s a lot of retrieval and subsequent attempts. Plenty if time for him to react.
            As there is no mention of him at the scene, I currently assuming he wasn’t there. But if he was there, and just watched this, I’d surely assign a healthy lump of blame on him for this level of inaction.

          • christina

            Thank you. That is exactly what I’m saying- how can a man stand by and watch someone try to murder his children and not do anthing about it?
            The article doesn’t lay out a clear timeline but assuming the couple fought near the scene of the crime and the wife immediately ran over to the street to kill her kids, the husband definitely would have been close enough to do something.

          • Mark_Wallace

            He did do something. He reacted according to his emotional state.

            Of course, had he been irvin, he would have stood there and blamed everything on the Jews, while loki would have just carried on being a grungy teenager.

            The emotions involved in such an act are just too damned big. 99.99999% of us will never (whatever gods be willing) find ourselves feeling what these people felt or thinking what these people thought.

            But it would be completely idiotic to assume that the act occurred in a vacuum — there’s baggage; there’s history. These things don’t just happen every friggin’ day, if the morning paper arrives late.

          • Rick in China

            “how can a man stand by and watch someone try to murder his children and not do anthing about it?”

            While I agree with your idea, I think it’s more important to go back to the base question, and not negate the fact it was the MOTHER killing the children, not “someone”.

            How can a mother *murder* her children? << That's it, that's all there is to it, we can also toss in tons of other shit on top, but it always has to come back to the fact that this psycho murdered her baby girl.

          • linette lee

            But the father abandoned his kids. Negligence is a form of child abuse. He abandoned his kids and whatever bad happened to his kids is his fault for negligence. Both parents are responsible for the safety of their kids. Why didn’t he take the kids knowing his wife doesn’t want them? He is not afraid she may do something to hurt the kids? What if she mistreat them?

        • Surfeit

          Father is at fault for not taking the kids on, not being responsible, and probably a whole ton of other things! But the heinous action of throwing the kid in the road belongs only to the person doing the deed.

          • don mario

            yea… really we don’t need to be bogged down in details here. a mother had her helpless babys brain smeared all over the road. there is nothing to justify causing that in a sane persons mind.

            in a sane persons mind when things turn to shit your instincts are to protect your child, especially when they are a helpless baby. but this woman chose selfishly and irresponsibly to lash out using her baby as a sacrifice to her angry cause. i know people will be pissed at me for saying it but i feel this way of thinking, deeply selfish and irresponsible to the point that you even go against maternal instincts is something that is greatly influenced by chinas culture. there are too many messed up examples of this, and it makes sense to me.

          • Dr Sun

            Then how would you explain ” shaken baby syndrome” which occurs world wide, not just in china ?
            Are all the parents that have done it, are doing it now or will do it,under the influence of chinese culture,or are they insane ?
            The answer is neither.

          • don mario

            i never said ALL the women who do this are influenced by chinese culture. what i said is there is such a high volume of these storys in china that i can’t ignore it, i have to make the connection. maybe i’m wrong, but this is my theory and i am sticking by it. there will never be a study on this in china so all we can do is speculate anyway.

          • Dr Sun

            1. Yes you did:

            “thinking, deeply selfish and irresponsible to the point that you even go against maternal instincts is something that is greatly influenced by chinas culture.”

            2. we are still waiting for the explanation on how a woman who shook her baby to death in munich or NYC was greatly influenced by Chinese culture into going against her “maternal instincts”.

            3. High volume in China- any proof/stats to back that up ?

            The world World Health study did find this:

            Overall, the data provided by the 26 countries included a total of 2872 deaths among children aged less than 15 years for a period of 1 year. Homicides accounted for 1995 deaths, including 1177 (59%) in boys and 818 (41%) in girls. Of the homicides, 1464 (73%) occurred among U.S. children. The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)

            4. A study into what, this one incident or your hypothetical Chinese high volume.

            5. Speculate why ? there are hundreds of studies into the causes of child abuse and murder.

            http://www.dewar4research.org/docs/chom.pdf

            KEY OBSERVATIONS

            · Most children killed are under the age of 5 or 6

            · Infants under I year old are the most vulnerable

            · Child homicide victims account for 8% to 14% of all homicide victims

            · A parent is the principal suspect/perpetrator in 50% to 70% of all family child homicides

            · Male parents are responsible for about two thirds of family child homicides and female parents about one third

            · Biological fathers are responsible for about 55% of murders of their own offspring and biological mothers about 45%

            · Mothers are responsible for the majority of infant deaths

            · Children under 1 year old are especially vulnerable to physical assault (fists, feet, shaking, dropping, throwing)

            · Children under the age of 6 are more likely to be killed by strangulation or a beating than by other means

            · A substantial proportion of family members responsible for family child homicide are classified as mentally ill

            · About a half of mentally ill perpetrators of child homicide have a psychotic disorder

            · A substantial proportion of parents who kill their children express the belief that they had acted altruistically

            · A substantial number of filicides occur following parental separation.

          • don mario

            you can look through all my posts about this, not once have i said ‘ALL’ cases of baby murder in china or around the world are caused by chinese culture.

            you can give all the stats you want but its beside the point that you will not know what caused this and this womans mental state because it is FUCKING CHINA. there will not be any reliable information released as to why she did it and there will not be a study of why there are so many child killings here. as i said, we are all speculating, but you have no past the point of speculation and reached the point of talking shite.

          • Dr Sun

            you can squirm and wiggle, name call all you want, but heres what you said in regard to baby murder and I quote you:

            “deeply selfish and irresponsible to the point that you even go against maternal instincts is something that is greatly influenced by chinas culture.”

            so many child murders here….. compared to ?

            The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000 compared with 0.51)

            I have not speculated on anything I’ve presented data and research findings (you know science)and I’m not the one talking shite.

          • don mario

            do you even read what you write? there is no name calling from me. i used some swear words but no name calling.

            in that quote i did not say ALL cases. and i have yet to say it, so please would you stop quoting me saying things i confirm i believe to be true to prove NO point what so ever.

            i said that i believe these cases IN CHINA are influenced by chinese culture. i did not say ALL or EVERY case. stop trying to twist what i have said to suit your argument. i know you like doing this as you have already tried to imply i was a yank first, and then a Brazilian.

            great, a bunch of data for AMERICA. as i said before, its beside the point. it has nothing to do with china and as i have already said several times, you are not going to get any reliable stats or anything relating to the cause of this in china. so yes you are speculating a whole pile of shite right now. like i have already said, i am speculating too. but i am open to being proved wrong by facts of the situation, which wont ever come out anyway so thats not going to happen. that is not what you are doing, you seem to think it is scientific to call your speculation fact based on no facts. and stats from a completely different country.

            unless you are trying to prove a point that mental illness is hereditary and not based on your environment you really are talking rubbish.

          • Dr Sun

            I do read what I write although very clearly you don’t.

            the data was comparison data from 26 countries, not just the USA. The research findings where from unicef and world health, not from the USA. all are respected research bodies, producing multi centered scientific research, not speculation. So I presented you with factual data, which you completely ignored or even attempt to address.

            you most clearly said and I quote you again that baby/child murders are caused by Chinese culture.

            “deeply selfish and irresponsible to the point that you even go against maternal instincts is something that is greatly influenced by chinas culture.”

            but you can give no reasoning for how or what in chinese culture influences this. Please don’t say “selfishness and irresponsibility” or your going to have a hard time answering what follows.

            The research findings from around the world disagree with you, the common factors being: a violent society ( violent crime rate/ adult murder rate) poverty, drugs, alcohol, abusive relationships , separation/divorce and mental illness.

            If you are going to stick by your culture theory, before attacking Chinese culture, take a look at the U.S with the highest child murder rate in the world and ponder if you would use the same argument. There is a mass of research from America none of which supports your hypothesis.

            BTW “FUCKING CHINA” is name calling

          • Rick in China

            Actually Dr. Sun, those stats are a little bit more…jaded, than you may think. “Murder” of a child in China doesn’t often go down as murder. “Murder” of a child in USA is often inclusive of neglect or ignorance leading to death, and these two facts would have significant impact towards comparative statistics. That being said, there is still a LOT (maybe more. Although those stats aren’t evidence of such…) of infanticide and crazy shit in the US too, can see people like crazy TJ Soyomayor rant off on mostly ‘beastly black’ moms who do shit to their kids a lot on YouTube.

          • Dr Sun

            I’m sure don mario will object to this as you are saying the american culture of neglect and ignorance has greatly influenced child murder in Americia leading to the USA having the highest child murder rate in the world..

          • Rick in China

            While i appreciate the dig at mario at my expense, I’m not agreeing with any implication of “the american culture of neglect and ignorance has greatly influenced child murder” – however, subcultures exist, and shit happens everywhere.. certainly culture and society does impact these type of tragedies significantly, there are obviously some wonderful European “socialist” countries who experience significantly lower *everything bad* than a few particular ‘superpowers’ which exhibit the worst of the worst on a much grander scale…

        • Teacher in China

          I posted this above, but now that I see this is the main argument thread, I’ll repost it here:

          Trying to assign blame here is counterproductive, as is using words like “heartless”, “soulless”, and other equally judgmental words. This woman clearly had a problem, so instead of judging her, as a society we should be asking more helpful questions like “What were the warning signs?”, “Was anything done to help this woman before this tragic incident?” and most importantly “How can we stop these kinds of things from happening again?”

          • Mark_Wallace

            “How can we stop these kinds of things from happening again?”

            By assigning armed guards to every married couple.

            This is one event involving one family in a country with an awful lot of families. It would be a bad idea to introduce laws to intrude on all the families that would never do such things because of this one act of violence, no matter how horrific it was.

          • Teacher in China

            You’re missing my point. I’m suggesting that a broader conversation about mental health needs to happen in this country at some point. And that having that conversation is much more valuable than a conversation that attempts to place blame on one or the other parent, or that attempts to somehow demonize Chinese people or Chinese women.

          • Mark_Wallace

            I didn’t miss your point, at all, but it had nothing to do with “a broader conversation about mental health”.

            “How can we stop this kind of thing (corrected, because a teacher should know better) happening again?” is a grandiose, dramatic statement, which seems designed to lead people up a destructive path.

          • Teacher in China

            First, there’s nothing wrong with my sentence grammar there, and frankly that kind of comment says more about you than me.

            Second, yes it was a grandiose statement, and I’ll admit perhaps overly so. But given that we have a thread going here with a Chinese woman in it, I’m attempting to steer the conversation towards something more productive, as I said above already.

            Third, how in the world is that supposed to “lead people up a destructive path”?

            Let me make my meaning 100% perfectly clear here, even though I think it was pretty clear in my initial post. Even in Western countries, people are realizing we need to have more productive conversations regarding mental health issues. In China, there are virtually no conversations about it (as a side note, I was happy to see several Chinese commenters mention post-partem depression, so maybe things are already getting better in that regard), so any kind of conversation that can be had about warning signs, methods for dealing with someone who has problems, or options for dealing with a specific situation where a child’s safety is being threatened by someone with mental problems – having any of those conversations is more productive than worrying about who’s fault this specific incident is or saying “damn, Chinese bitchez be crazy” or talking about who has a “soul” or who is “evil”. I’m not talking about laws, I’m talking about the slow education of a populace that happens bit by bit when people discuss these things openly. These kinds of conversations can help prevent these type of incidents from happening in the future because the more educated people are in these issues, the better equipped they are to prevent them from happening.

          • Mark_Wallace

            “First, there’s nothing wrong with my sentence grammar there”

            Wrong. If you are teaching ESL students poor English like that, someone should have a word with your headmaster.

            I’ve met a number of people who call themselves English teachers in China, whose only qualifications are being able to speak a little English (but no knowledge of grammar), and a mouth full of bullshit.

            Guessing at and making up rules of English is not enough, and is unacceptable behaviour from one in whom students place their trust, and it is behaviour that annoys me immensely. Really immensely.

            So let’s not pretend that double (or triple) plural errors are good English just because they come out of our own mouths, eh? You wouldn’t want me to get the idea that you’re one of those filthy, lying, fraudulent scumbags, would you?

            Oh, and your “Why can’t we all just get along?” solution to all the worlds problems is probably best left as a topic for theoretical discussion junior-school classroom.

          • Teacher in China

            Is this where I’m supposed to get all angry and defensive because someone on the internet thinks they are smarter than me? Whatever your anger issues are, I hope you have a better day today than you did when you posted that.

            As for the junior high comment, well, I’m afraid you’re showing a misunderstanding of the situation there again. My whole city just went through something similar to this incident when a woman killed her two small children and then drowned herself in the river. It’s shocking how much misinformation and misunderstanding there is about people with mental health issues in society as a whole, whether “Western” or Chinese. People hear these stories and their gut reaction is “evil”, “soulless”, etc, just like in this case.

            If I remember this article clearly, people mentioned how she had been displaying warning signs for a while. It would be useful to hear more information about exactly what her behaviour had been like in the days and weeks leading up to the event. Was she depressed, listless, normal? Had she ever abused her children before and had that happened more or less frequently in the time leading up to the incident? Had the father? Had she been abused herself? These are not junior high school questions. They can help us understand how the situation got so out of control; and hopefully, if we see something similar going on in someone around us, we can (wait for it) prevent these kinds of things from happening again.

          • loki

            You love this whole armed guard thing. I hope you get a life..

          • don mario

            by getting chinese to change their retarded ‘get married, get a kid, get a house and car all by 26’ culture. put more emphasis into caring for others, not only number one, stop spoiling kids and creating entitled princess’s and princess’s. teaching them to be responsible for themselves, not rely on their parents money and their parents to actually raise their own kids for them. teach women to be independent and not rely on a man to LIVE. and teach them to marry for reasons other than just practical ones. they could do a lot of things!

          • Dr Sun

            tell that to the “soccer moms” with their nuclear family, latch-door kids,sub prime toxic mortgage and compact suv, why don’t you.

          • don mario

            not sure what you are implying but ‘soccer’ ‘mom’ and ‘nuclear familiy’ are all yankyspeak. im not a yank i was not brought up with those soccar nuclear mortgage values you speak of.

          • Dr Sun

            its generic speaking, lol

          • don mario

            where i’m from we say ‘mum’ and ‘football’ and we don’t use those terms.

          • Dr Sun

            always good to have a Brazilian on the site. How are the world cup preparations coming along ?

          • don mario

            i’m not brazillian

          • Mark_Wallace

            Are you talking about China, or everywhere?

            The only perfect places on Earth are where there are no people.

          • don mario

            of course i am talking about problems specific to china that create environments ripe with crazy people.

            if china improved these things its my opinion that they would have a lot less of these crazy news stories.

          • Mark_Wallace

            Do you mean crazy people who are unable to capitalise correctly, or crazy people who cannot comprehend the genitive case? L33t freaks are all insane, we know that much.

            And there’s no “of course” about it. The symptoms you describe are present everywhere in the (inhabited) world.

            People are people, Kiddo.

            As for “a lot less of these crazy news stories”: One Chinese woman committed this terrible act. How many Chinese women are there? Worse things happen every day, in other parts of the world.

          • don mario

            Well like I said. People won’t be happy about it but that’s what I believe. The evidence is too strong and the behaviour lines up with the consistent behaviour I see all the time from chinese people so I attribute these things to culture. I don’t know why you keep arguing. It’s quite obvious that I am talking about china specific problems that caused these things do you really need me to repeat it 3 times for you? And look here, I can capitalise when I have a spell checker turned on, woopty do! Who gives a fuck.

        • Kai

          Am I missing something? I didn’t read anything suggesting that the father was physically present when she did this…? For all we know, they fought, she grabbed the kids, went out, and in a fit of bitterness decided to throw them into traffic. All the while, he was still at home or elsewhere fuming about the fight completely oblivious to what she was going to do.

          It’s also hard to know whether or not them declaring they don’t want custody of the kids was serious or just one of those heat-of-the-moment things you say to spite the other party, to “shackle” them with the kids as a roundabout way of impressing upon them responsibility for the marriage and everything that they are arguing about that is threatening it.

          Either way, it’s safe to say the mother ultimately did a horrible thing, and to whatever reasonable extent the father contributed to this act of hers, he bears some culpability. But, without knowing what exactly he did, it’s hard to judge. For now, we know they fought, but there’s no reasonable direct link of responsibility between him and her doing this, don’t you think?

          • Rick in China

            You’re absolutely right – in re-read, the story itself implies that the mother went out with the child by herself, and wasn’t engaged in an argument at the time, but basically kept fetching and tossing her child into the road til eventually she managed to toss it under a truck that couldn’t swerve — and a passer-by tried to stop her, but her husband is not around. Seems the ‘argument’ that people imply instigated her actions happened over the course of the previous few days.

            No husband nearby, just psycho mom tossing her baby into traffic. Hope she burns and babies are adopted into a good home.

      • donscarletti

        Blaming bad people for being bad is like blaming crocodiles for biting. Tell them why they shouldn’t bite and they’ll still bite. OF course, you can and should kill the crocodile when it bites people, but will that make the others stop? You also could hunt and kill them all before they have a chance to bite, but wouldn’t that make you more evil? (after all, most crocodiles never kill anyone). Best to just stay away from them and/or carry a weapon. If however, if you don’t stay away or protect yourself, then maybe you’ll soon make a good example for others to learn why they should stay away and protect themselves.

        I think its just a certain class of people with a weak, over-empathetic and irresponsible world-view categorically don’t “victim blame”. Other people believe that individuals have a responsibility to keep their family and themselves safe in a world full of danger.

        The man should have protected his daughter from being murdered by whatever means. Presumably he is physically stronger than his wife, if there was no other way of subduing his wife then simply put, he should have killed her.

        This is not criminal culpability, sure, he’s still the victim and the wife is the criminal. But he still failed in his responsibility as a parent.

        As for rape, I think it is the same old argument.

      • linette lee

        YOu retard, He is the father and just as responsible for his children’s safety. He fought with his wife and abandoned his kids. If you truly think the safety of your own kids is really not your responsibility I feel sorry for your kids.

    • Irvin

      There’s nothing the father can do, chinese women are scary.

      • christina

        tell j.kimchi that he apparently didn’t get the memo

        • Irvin

          Go easy on him, you’re scaring him.

      • Stefan

        Don’t put all Chinese women into the same basket, yes, some Chinese women are scary, not all.

        • Jahar

          you yourself do the same thing. as do I, half the time.

      • steviewah

        Most likely the father will go scot-free, unless they can accuse him guilt by association. This is in China so I’m even sure how shit like this will go down. But at the same time, the father by all indication seems like a POS that will play the victim card. The fact he didn’t want to take custody of his own kids, yet is willing to pop 3 out smells putrid.

        • Irvin

          To be honest I couldn’t care less of the father’s fate, like it or not this is a family dispute and whatever the outcome, it will hardly affect other people.

          In a month time most people will forget about this and be discussing something new.

          In a year time, I’ll be surprise if anyone even remember this event but only vaguely remembered that some shit happened.

          Shit happens before the baby was thrown under the truck, shit will continue to happen long after the baby is forgotten, that’s life, it’s full of shit.

          • Rick in China

            “In a month time most people will forget about this and be discussing something new.”

            Exactly. Like a mom throwing her baby into a garbage, dropping off at a hospital and running, trying to flush it down the toilet, drowning it in a washing machine, or something else new like that…

    • Teacher in China

      Trying to assign blame here is counterproductive, as is using words like “heartless”, “soulless”, and other equally judgmental words. This woman clearly had a problem, so instead of judging her, as a society we should be asking more helpful questions like “What were the warning signs?”, “Was anything done to help this woman before this tragic incident?” and most importantly “How can we stop these kinds of things from happening again?”

      • Yes!

        Too much trouble, perhaps? The Chinese are wont to say “China has too many people…..”

      • Rick in China

        “Trying to assign blame here is counterproductive”

        Assigning blame to someone who commits murder is counterproductive? What kind of hippy cloud are you living on? Of course it is productive. Blame the psychotic bitch, hang ‘er by the neck until she stops twitching, and evaluate how to help prevent these types of incidences from happening in the future once all that is taken care of. WTF, “instead of judging her” — what was your reaction upon reading this, “Oh, poor woman, what she must have been going through without help!”? Are you f’in serious here?

        • Teacher in China

          Sorry for the late reply, somehow didn’t receive notification that this had been replied to.

          I can see that I didn’t explain myself very clearly there. I absolutely hope that someone in a legal capacity tries to determine blame for this situation. What I was hoping to do with my comment was steer a conversation towards something that I thought would be more productive. We could all sit here all week and say “no, it was her fault”, “no, it was his fault” and not get anywhere. Instead, there are more productive things to talk about.

          My first reaction was disgust when I read the story, naturally, like I’m sure it was for most people. But as I said earlier in another post, something brutal happened in my hometown last year where a seemingly normal woman snapped one day and killed her two infants and then drowned herself in the river. I had lots of conversations with people and read lots of news articles on the story at the time, and it has made me look at incidents like these a little differently. So after my initial shock at the horror of what happened, my first thought was of the woman. Maybe saying “poor woman” would be going too far, but I certainly felt like it was very likely that she had a serious mental health problem and might not have even known what she was doing. I think it would take quite a serious problem to inhibit any parents’ natural instinct to protect their own children, and arguably (I’ve heard it argued, not sure I agree) moreso with a mother, who carried it in her belly and nursed it, etc.

          • Rick in China

            I agree with that as an important follow-up. When tragedies happen we, as a society, need to think about how we can minimize them from happening again. We need to be adaptive and progressive – constantly refining assessing and improving how we deal with scenarios and each-other… we’re in agreement on all of that, but, in my opinion, before any of that assessment happens, regardless of why, this crazy bitch killed her innocent baby girl and needs to be strung up for it. That’s where we may differ. :D

          • Teacher in China

            Yeah, I’m sort of torn between two feelings there. Seeing those photos, I have a strong feeling of hate and need for revenge that makes me want to see her strung up as well. But for me, the stronger feeling is the need to understand why it happened, which can best be done by keeping her alive and trying to understand the brain malfunctions that led her to do this.

    • Washington Bullets

      Where was the father when this happened? I didn’t see anything about him standing there and watching this happen.

    • Pretty heartless. I upvoted your smile

      • KamikaziPilot

        Uh oh, looks like we got an online Casanova here.

        • lol I don’t think I could be labeled as such…I only said something nice to her.

        • Casanova? I’m just outspoken, and happily married. Nothing wrong with telling a woman the truth.

  • Surfeit

    Monstrous.

    • lacompacida

      And there are 1.3 billion of them. Scary, right ?

  • If it was a baby boy…he would be safe at home…or urinating on a sidewalk somewhere

    • lacompacida

      Defecating is more like his style.

    • loki

      wait did I read something wrong? I thought this beast(woman) threw both a 8 y/o boy and the 8 month old only the toddler was able to avoid being hit and the baby was thrown 3 time into traffic…

    • or taking a huge fucking shit on the side of the streets

  • lacompacida

    Chinese logic dictates that the truck will be blamed. Of course, it is all the truck’s fault. As you can see, if the truck did not drive by, the baby would not have died. And Maersk is a foreign company, therefore it was a foreign power plot against China, to show how cruel Chinese are. Furthermore, asphalt covering for roads is another foreign invention. A semi is definitely a foreign design. Therefore, it is definitely a foreign plot.

  • Repatriated

    What’s this? This can’t be true. Everything is perfect in the middle kingdom!!

  • mr.wiener

    ah shit a brick this is messed up.

    • Irvin

      When we get this much people in the country, one ought to expect some crazy shit to happen.

      • Surfeit

        I think that is quite true. More people = more crazy people = seeing more crazy shit. It’s an understated idea and I think that’s why people find it so easy to hate on China sometimes.

        • wnsk

          Surfeit, you…seemed changed. I like this new you better but…not quite sure if I’m used to it, hah.

          • Surfeit

            Same old me. Just rather misunderstood, I imagine. Engaging in dialogue through text often leads to misunderstandings.

          • wnsk

            For me, it was your often OTT facetiousness. Lately you just seem a lot more…sober. Haha!

          • Surfeit

            Facetiousness? Moi? Never!

            Although I am often drunk, and I do love getting a reaction from people. Probability and likelihood would suggest you are correct…

            Deny it to the end I will!

  • Dr Sun

    Probably the most absurd, asinine and racist blogs posted in a long time :

    1. “WTF! CHINA! I could not even begin to understand this? These people are the spawn of evil and they need to be shot!”

    2. China has an astounding number of mentally unstable women. Since there are no establishments to treat mental health in China, this goes unnoticed since we all know Chinese are all about saving face. Anything but loosing face y’all. As a result, these women go untreated. They usually end up doing sh*t like this, killing themselves or get picked up by some unlucky laowai who later discover her mental health issues when its pretty much too late. It is what it is people. You don’t have to like me.

    RANT ALERT!
    I have such females on wechat who post every f*cking little thing that happens. They will post a moment every damn hour. Nobody gives a f*ck about you. Why do you try to hide your miserable, uninteresting existence by making it seem as though you are contempt with your life when I know you cry before bed and often get suicidal thoughts. Every f*cking hour it’s another post about this girl being tired from work blah blah blah. F*cking throw in the towel if you can’t handle it. This generation is so f*cked up it’s unreal. Everyone is so anti-social but try to disguise it as being sociable because they have followers on whatever f*cking social media platform they happen to use. And this other one posts damn selfies multiple f*cking times a day with that annoying look on their face. F*ck!!!!!!!

    3. Bitch needs to be fucking put down like a rabid Dog…. WTFchina?

    4. Chinese logic dictates that the truck will be blamed. Of course, it is all the truck’s fault. As you can see, if the truck did not drive by, the baby would not have died. And Maersk is a foreign company, therefore it was a foreign power plot against China, to show how cruel Chinese are. Furthermore, asphalt covering for roads is another foreign invention. A semi is definitely a foreign design. Therefore, it is definitely a foreign plot.

    5.If it was a baby boy…he would be safe at home…or urinating on a sidewalk somewhere

    • Thanks for posting all those great comments in one place so I could upvote them a second time.

      • ex-expat

        Lol!

      • loki

        you’ll probably get more ups than mr sun…..
        BTW …. I am post no# 3

        PROUD GRIN****

      • Dr Sun

        Always like to keep the simple folk, the trolls happy, Matt

        • Yossarian

          I support you Dr.Sun

          Although 4 does have a point… He just generalizes too much… I’m sure a few Chinese netizens who forgot to take their patriotic education with a pinch of salt will no doubt will hold these sorts of opinions.

          1 and 3 are obviously just idiots who either ignore or don’t read the newspapers of their own countries.

          2 needs to leave china before the bitterness kills him.

          5 is well on his way to becoming 2.

      • kkw

        Lol butthurt loser americunt.

        • My butt is in fact quite comfortable. And my mom told me I’m a winner, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • Surfeit

      You think this is bad, you should see my Twitter feed.

      • Dr Sun

        I’ll pass on that, no offense meant.

        • Surfeit

          HAHA None taken!

    • Mark_Wallace

      It’s not hard to spot the difference in intelligence level and thoughtfulness between the postings in Chinese and the postings from the US.

      • Mark

        Mark_Wallace just because u r from US doesnt make u intelligence,

        • Mark_Wallace

          i is n0t frum da us.

          pwnd!!!

      • IsurvivedChina

        what about other non US countries?

        • Mark_Wallace

          There’s no such thing — ask any American.

          • As an American, I can confirm there are no other countries.

            On an unrelated note, some of my favorite websites include americaBANG, americaCRUSH, americaBOOM, and americaSLAM.

          • Washington Bullets

            I wonder if that could be a viable thing. Florida man would have the market cornered.

            I wonder if there would be similar reaction akin to how Chinese citizens take offense to foreigners taking jabs at their government and societal issues. I think Americans could get just as defensive, albeit in a more dismissive manner rather than having been offended. It depends though, as things have played out very differently in the last century when comparing the two countries.

          • Mark_Wallace

            See? You’re as bad as the French!

            No, sorry, I take that back.
            Nobody is as bad as the French.

            Except the Welsh.

          • Dr Sun

            What theres no Americasmack ! ?

        • Guest

          if your no in the usa… you still are our bitches.. so there!
          :P

          • Dr Sun

            Another one that got “left behind”

    • IsurvivedChina

      I’m sorry Dr Sun, but you’re a moron! In reply to you copying my blog; there’re was nothing racist in my comment! I truly believe people who kill children are the spawn of evil and they deserve what ever punishment we give them and if you don’t then there is something morally wrong with you. You obviously failed to look at the pictures or even read the article, instead you chose to copy paste some of the opinions of other users to personally satisfy you sense of nationalism(?) – I also notice that you also failed to give your opinion and chose instead to attack the opinions of others.

      This has nothing to do with culture or nationalism nor is it some anti-china thread designed to promote disharmony. This is a story about a woman who threw her child (3 times) into oncoming traffic. And most of us are struggling trying to understand why? Some are not as verbally artistic as we would like to be in times like this and thus our use of language often comes across as a distorted babble but that is no reason to for you to ridicule them. Verbal dyslexia is a common trait for some!

      While we try to understand why, there are many questions that arise unanswered. Was she Crazy? Was she a murderer? We don’t know! We don’t if this woman was crazy? And it’s easy to label her as crazy as that inevitably downplays the tragedy of this event. People start by saying “oh this is too shocking, she must be crazy” and in some ways it helps people deal with it! So I beg you get off your high horse for a minute and tell us how you feel!

      • wnsk

        I believe Dr Sun was objecting to your use of “CHINA” after “WTF”…something that I note you yourself called out loki for…or was that just sarcasm on your part?

        • IsurvivedChina

          No, you’re right! I did not mean to imply China as a nation! hence my re-edit (maybe my re-edit needs some work) and thus my reply to loki, Children don’t deserve that kind of treatment and my first response was written in shock! it’s just sad all over I think!

          • wnsk

            Good on ya. But see, you made your clarification/edit AFTER Dr. Sun made this post…meaning he wouldn’t have seen your edit. Same with loki (who, I note, also regretted his “WTFchina” remark.)

            So, I take it we agree you have no cause to call Dr. Sun a moron. :]

          • IsurvivedChina

            The jury is still out on that one! LOL

          • Dr Sun

            “sticks and stones” being called a moron by a racist with poor grammar really does not bother me at all.

          • IsurvivedChina

            Yes, because grammar is what we’re all worried about when blog here! LOL

          • Dr Sun

            when we blog

          • IsurvivedChina

            my bad.. when we blog! LOL

          • styles99

            China/Chinese is not a race my friend. So his “WTFChina” comment was not racist… as far as his past posts, I have no knowledge.

          • iLcOrNaLiTo

            “that kind of treatment”…you mean death?

          • IsurvivedChina

            you’re like 1 month late for the conversation; but well done for reading my comment! good work keep it up!

    • donscarletti

      1) “These people” probably refers to the woman who killed her daughter and the man who didn’t stop her, not their race in general.

      2) Definitely more sexist than racist.

      3) Inflamitory, no mentioning of race.

      4) Refers more to national mentality of mainland China than the Chinese race. Does not apply to HK/Taiwan and Chinese minority populations outside China.

      5) Maybe.Though does highlight a real social issue of devaluing female children.

      • Dr Sun

        Palm slaps in disbelief

        • 五毛Partay!

          Boy, he sure put you in your place

    • Yes!

      Re: RANT ALERT.

      Wechat is China’s version of Facebook. I haven’t read anybody rant about FB.

      • Dr Sun

        Fuc*book ?

      • Surfeit

        Wechat is China’s version of Whatsapp, no?

        • Yes!

          Come to think of it, yes, both Whatsapp and Facebook. Pretty good app.

      • angry laowai

        renren i china’s Facebook

    • Warren Lauzon

      It’s great when someone posts all the relevant rants in place – thanks for that.
      But you forget to mention that rubber tires are also a foreign invention…

    • linette lee

      And why 3 children? What happened to one child policy? China is a joke with their one child policy. Every China family want at least 3 kids and majority of them can’t provide or care for them. They just want lots of kid because traditionally kids are their old age pension who financially provide for them when parents get old. Has nothing to do with love. By 2030 China will be 2 billion population with 2/3 working as slave minimum wage to make the rich and powerful Chinese even more rich and more corrupt.

      Maybe we need a major natural disaster like a massive tsunami to wash out Beijing and Shanghai and remove the rich population. Remove all of them then let Taiwan and Hong Kong people move in and rebuilt the gov’t system for China. Let China start out new.
      We can do it Noah ark style too. Let it rain on Beijing and Shanghai and wash away all the wicked. Let China start over again.

      • Dr Sun

        in reverse order”
        1.I don’t think you need to “import” people to create a new system.
        2.Tsunamis I don’t believe kill on the basis of wealth, class or ethnicity, they kill everyone in its path.
        3. There is no welfare system, community nursing or nursing homes to speak of.
        4. my wifes father was one of seven Children, all were cared and provided for.
        5. The one child policy has never applied to minorities and has all but disappeared in many provinces now.
        6. why not 3 children, or are you know saying any govt, the U.S Govt for example has the right to tell you how many children you can have ?

        • linette lee

          1)yes you do.
          2)I know. Very unfortunate some innocent will die also. But most rich,powerful, corrupt live in those two cities. Wash them away. Let’s start out new.
          3)When a new gov’t formed. We will have that.Just like HK.
          4)You have a good father in law
          5)That is why we will probably have 2 billions population in China by 2050. We people of earth need to protect mother nature. Earth needs our protection.
          6) USA is not over populated. Only 300 million. When it reach 1 billion they better start thinking about one child policy. More people means more population. Our mother earth needs our help.

    • Anastasia K. Nakis

      Lovely. This is a tragedy that occurred in a country where until very recently it was common to dispose of female babies in the trash because they were only allowed one child per family and a son is less of a financial burden and carries the family name. Why do you pay so much attention to a people that you hate so much and know nothing about? This is not a rant – this is hate speech.

  • Stefan

    Chocking…..Sad….one less baby girl….this is just going to worsen the problem of 30 million single Chinese men unable to find a wife…

    • wnsk

      Hey, I wouldn’t get with her even if she was the last female on Earth.

      • Stefan

        I meant the baby girl, one less baby girl in China growing up, just worsens the problem of the millions of unborn baby girls….

        • wnsk

          ……Oh. Okay. My bad.

    • We have a human tragedy here and all you can think about is shagging the infant. Are you R. Kelly wew

      • Germandude

        Just facepalming any comment from Stefan. There is something going majorly wrong in him…

    • IsurvivedChina

      you’re a moron, this is a tragedy beyond measure and all you can think about is the ratio between men and women! have some decency! This has nothing to do with nationalism or culture. no child should be taken in such a way!

    • noodles76

      What…the….

  • Thrown off a building, into a river, or under a truck……
    It’s a survival horror story from the moment a baby exits his mother’s cunt in China.
    9000 years of baby killing.

    • IsurvivedChina

      your comment had credence until the “C” word popped it’s head!

    • Yes!

      Uhh..correction. 2,700 years at most?

    • don mario

      or run over in beijing by an angry guy trying to park

  • WFH

    it was tough scrolling down this article…sometimes I question the need to publicize such news with this level of detail…may the young child RIP.

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    Husband, wife. It doesn’t matter. Kids were thrown into traffic. That is proof enough neither are fit to be part of society. Best to remove them from the gene pool and do all humanity a favor.

  • Washington Bullets

    It is in my opinion that this tragedy could be a symptom of greater socioeconomic ills in the quickly changing environment of a globalizing China. If there were a higher degree of stability in the lives of these individuals, there might perhaps be a greater chance that the children would be wanted and cared for.

    China today is a land of constant migration and struggle simply to get by and to make ends meet. Parents are often separated from their children for very long extended periods of time and over great distances. The economic pressures of families being stretched over long distances along with the associated coincidental estrangement probably places a lot of pressure on traditional family structure.

    If both parents are under pressure to succeed financially under the pressures of the harsh economic realities within China, then they would both want the freedom to venture apart and find economic opportunities unfettered by the burdens of raising a family.

    What the mother did was absolutely atrocious, and it is of the utmost importance that she be persecuted to the full extent of the law. The child who survived should be put into foster care, or given to a family member who genuinely cares for them, while the father and the estate of the mother should be provided to the caregiver to provide for the child.

    How awful it must be to learn that one is unwanted by the people that granted them life in the first place.

    • Irvin

      You’re over thinking things, the bitch is just crazy.

  • death_by_ivory

    Poor little baby had no chance at life.RIP.
    Obviously execute the crazy witch.

  • MonkeyMouth

    i got:
    Breaking Up Is Hard To Do
    by Neil Sedaka

  • IsurvivedChina

    shame on you johnnyboy, there is nothing shameful about this. The facts are pretty simple, it is a tragedy and a sad event but instead of feeling shame (i.e. losing face on a national level) why don’t the Chinese people encourage the government to stand up and do something about it

  • IsurvivedChina

    cha ching! you just made you’re 50 cents, what the fuck does that stupid comment have to do with anything. The Japanese would never use a tragedy like this to talk shit about China, it’s xenophobic morons like you who bread hatred – move on!

  • IsurvivedChina

    when confronted with the truth the troll does what it does best, retorts with foul language! Well done Good work, keep it up!

  • IsurvivedChina

    you’re right! hence I edited my comment so that the little children on this blog can understand! Good work though keep it up!

  • IsurvivedChina

    get a room!

  • Sean Van Cura

    we should start calling babies being thrown into rivers/traffic “chinese abortions”

    • noodles76

      That’s in very bad taste….but funny as hell

  • Yes!

    The man is to blame, too. Man impregnates woman and then walks away with no responsibility? That’s not the Chinese/Asian way. That is not a man. The said husband must be charged as accessory to murder / manslaughter.

  • Kai

    You just made me check if I’ve forgotten Mother’s Day. Whew, it’s the 11th, still 6 more days…

  • FYIADragoon

    Seriously, there should be some sort of test for qualifying people to have children…

    • noodles76

      You’d likely be disqualified if intelligence is one of the criteria. Seriously, be less ignorant please.

      • FYIADragoon

        No need to be so butthurt over a single comment. There are far too many irresponsible people reproducing and then tossing away these lives. Pull the stick out.

        • noodles76

          Don’t get your nerdrage all keyed up because you got called on an idiotic comment.

  • IsurvivedChina

    my mistake! I have learnt my lesson Obi! LOL

  • Misiooo

    S-T-E-R-I-L-I-Z-A-T-I-O-N

  • don mario

    these type of baby killing news storys are really common.. just look at the related story links at the end of this post. very sick. it happens too often to just be able to write it off as mental illness, this is cultural in my opinion. nobody will ever give it a proper examination but i would say it starts with the pressure to marry, have kids and a house and car at a young age. that is giving more weight than actually having any responsibility over any of these things. poor kids.

  • mr.wiener

    That particular quote;”Nuts” was sent by Brig. General Anthony McAuliffe during the battle of the bulge [Belgium]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_McAuliffe

    General MacArthur was never stationed in Europe (unless you count the 1st world war). He was in charge of the pacific campaign.

    I think it is safe to say Matt was being sarcastic.

  • Dr Sun

    McArthur.. the Field Marshall/general who run off from the Philippines deserting his troops in defeat and dishonour to be tortured and murdered. Who then lead and lost the U.S campaign in Korea, who then promoted the “domino theory” and persecution of U.S socialists and eventually involvement in Cuba and vietnam.. He most likely said “NUTS” when looking into the mirror at Disneyworld.
    The general that was actually quoted as saying “nuts” was as Wiener said the commander of the 101 airborne during the battle of the Bulge, in Europe 1944.

  • tomoe723

    Wow, different reactions by different backgrounds. If you only see how some “couples” decide on abortion, it’s the same ghastly thing. This is just more “action” oriented.

    • Surfeit

      What the hell is wrong with you?!

      • tomoe723

        what the hell is wrong with you? ever seen an abortion being carried out by “discerning” couples? same thing.

    • I am pro-choice, because abortion is initiated for many reasons, and also because I dislike religion and morality preachers.
      However, since tomoe723 wasn’t making a blanket condemnation of abortion per se, but just how some couples make coldly calculating decisions to end a fetus’s life, I think the comparison is spot on. Hence the upvote.

      • tomoe723

        Thanks for the upvote and understanding. I’m primarily against abortion, but I also cannot overlook the dilemma some couples (or the women) face against the harsh cold reality of life. It’s tough raising a child and even more so harder on the child to grow up in a cruel environment. If you don’t have the strong determination to raise a child (you’ll need that determination for many years to come), then it’s better to give the baby to someone else who does or… kill the baby yourself. It’s a difficult choice, if ever you can bring yourself to do it. Most women I’ve met usually regret it afterwards and harbor a deep trauma about the experience.

  • 五毛Partay!

    For starters, he clearly was being ironic. Secondly, Gen McArthur didn’t say “nuts”. That was BG McAuliffe and it happened at Bastonge. McArthur was in the Pacific during ww2. So, in short, pretty much everything about your post was misinformed.

  • Mark_Wallace

    The Philippines is an American colony.

    That’s why they’re as small as ants.

  • don mario

    i looked at the pictures. i didn’t want to and i knew it would be shocking and it was. why do they always show these graphic images in chinese news? are they completely desensitized? do they have no empathy for others? i wonder why it is.

  • Dr Sun

    a very heated and emotional argument it would seem.

  • Dr Sun

    probably not, are there children suffering abuse in every country of the world, most definitely yes.

  • Markoff

    just kill her and let’s move on, although she already reproduced but hopefully as dead she will have less influence to raise another crazy children

  • tomoe723

    it’s the same in south korea and japan.

  • Mark_Wallace

    It’s got nothing to do with politics; it’s very basic psychology.

  • Karabkatab

    Such a heartless mother, doing this to innocent children…

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