Man Who Saved Woman From Rape Accused of Being a Peeping Tom

Police subduing and arresting a man in black who had attacked, tied up, robbed, and almost raped a young Chinese woman in her home.

Man in black clothes arrested.

From Nanfang Daily, Sina:

Woman renting out home is robbed and sexually assaulted, rescuer suspected of being a Peeping Tom

November 3rd, living on the top floor of a residential apartment building of a residential community on Yayi Street in Guangzhou’s Tianhe District, Zeng Li made posted on the internet an advertisement to sublet her apartment, never thinking the prospective tenant would be a robber, who after hurting her and robbing her money would also try to rape her.

As luck would have it, the window the robber closed attracted the attention of neighboring Xiao Huang and afterwards the Tianhe Police appeared on the scene to arrest the robber.

A young Chinese woman who was attacked, tied up, robbed, and almost raped in her home in Guangzhou.

Woman rescued.

Rescue

Neighbor climbed onto the roof and discovered the situation through an air vent

Witness Xiao Huang lives on the other side of the building #9. Xiao Huang said that around 8pm on that night, he went to look after the pigeons on the roof, but as he was on the stairs discovered that the open window of the apartment for rent where the incident occurred near the passageway was unexpectedly closed, “Normally it is always open, so this made me suspicious.”

Xiao Huang says he also heard the noise of things being overturned, so he decided to go see what was going on. He climbed over the 1.5 meter high wall in the middle of the passageway, climbed the stairs, and arrived at the roof garden. The light in the apartment where the incident occurred was on, and through the gap in the ventilation fan blades in the vent, Xiao Huang saw the situation in the apartment.

“She was tied to the bed, and there was blood all over the floor,” Xiao Huang said. He was startled, and did not call the police immediately but rather found Xiao Chen, another resident that lived on the other side of building #9.

Xiao Huang said that after urging Xiao Chen to call the police, he went downstairs to notify the residential community’s security. In order to prevent the man in black [the robber] from getting away, 3 security guards were placed at building #9. The police then arrived at the scene.

A young Chinese woman who was attacked, tied up, robbed, and almost raped in her home in Guangzhou.

Bloodstains on the bed.

Suspicions

Rescuer suspected of being a Peeping Tom

After word of Xiao Huang reporting the robber to police spread, many netizens felt the matter of Xiao Huang calling the police being somewhat strange: First, why didn’t Xiao Huang immediately call the police when he discovered what was happening, but instead had someone else call the police; Second, why was he so sensitive to whether or not Zeng Li’s apartment window was open or closed, even climbing over a 1.5 meter tall wall to then climb up to the building roof to see the incident through an air vent? Was this a result of long-term habitual peeping?

According to a female in the residential community who isn’t willing to give her name but is familiar with the incident, she too is a resident of that building, as well as an employee of a nearby gym/health club. Several months ago, when Zeng Li went to the gym to apply for a membership card, the two of them met and got to know each other. Because they lived close to each other, Zeng Li also often goes over to her place to visit.

This female familiar with the incident told this reporter that Zeng Li told her not just once that she had been spied on by a male while bathing at night. Zeng Li also told this reporter that this person familiar with the incident has said before that she’s seen Xiao Huang at the air vent peeping on Zeng Li’s room. However, she says she can’t actually be sure Xiao Huang is the Peeping Tom.

With regards to being suspected of being a Peeping Tom, Xiao Huang denies it, even saying that being wrongly accused of being a Peeping Tom “is very hurtful”. As to to why he coincidentally encountered this case, he says it is in fact because his own work requires him to pay attention to details.

Blood all over the floor.

Blood all over the floor.

地上满是鲜血。

Blood all over the floor.

The perpetrator who attacked, robbed, and planned to rape a woman in her home is subdued on the scene by police.

The man in black clothes arrested.

The young woman with gauze wrapped around her wrists, injured from being tied up by her assailant.

Injured hands.

Comments from Tiexue:

紫翼之痕:

People just love to think of the worst, never thinking about the good, always suspecting others of the worst evil intentions. Even if Xiao Huang was peeping, he still saved a person…

子曰过的论语:

To have saved someone and still have to bear this kind of reputation, today’s society truly has problems.

zhou6811:

According to how Xiao Huang himself described what happened, him denying peeping is simply inconsistent, so there being peeping we can be certain of. However, a bad thing became a good thing, and he even saved someone, so the good outweigh the bad!

中国开扩团:

I cry injustice on behalf of Xiao Huang. In the future when I see this kind of thing, I’m definitely not going to call the police, lest I be condemned as a Peeping Tom!

水城天狼:

It isn’t just society’s problem, it’s a problem with how people think. Shit…

随便酒吧:

With this as a warning, young women living alone, you must remember to leave a gap/hole/crack in your residence, to make it more convenient for those peeping on you. Focus on accumulating them [Peeping Toms], because at a key moment, they could save your life.

duci9999:

To those people accusing him of being a Peeping Tom, I want to say something here: Just because you have darkness in your minds doesn’t mean others are like you.

江湖人称强哥:

Seriously support!!! May I ask who dares to tap their chest and say they haven’t furtively taken an extra look when they see a pretty girl???? When you see a young girl wearing shorts on the street, you’ve never looked at their thighs? Peeping is not some huge immoral thing! And don’t drag morality or whatever into this, this is just human nature!

yingean:

I think if I were to see a similar situation, simply making an anonymous call to the police to report it would be enough to satisfy my conscience. Seeing and not helping is of course wrong, but I’m not willing to get myself in trouble.

baikongyi:

You little lady, someone saves your life and you accuse them of peeping on you? What kind of thinking and logic is that? With this kind of thing, couldn’t you have just pretend it never happened? I can imagine if Xiao Huang had known you would say he was a Peeping Tom and then didn’t rescue you, you would now be peeping with God.

pjy88760:

That Xiao Huang saved the woman is the most important, worth promoting and commending! Being suspected of being a Peeping Tom shouldn’t have happened, after all peeping itself isn’t criminal behavior, at most being a kind of immoral behavior, and not something that causes physical harm to the woman. Today’s society has a high degree of openness. Female stars/celebrities wear see-through clothing or intentionally or unintentionally expose themselves, and even become famous once they take off their clothes, so why even bother wasting our time with an ordinary Peeping Tom’s behavior and motivations?

oldwell:

Society has problems, [people] are too impulsive, everyone we meet is a bad guy, everything we see is suspicious! I still believe there are more good people [than bad].

What do you think?

  • Krell

    Peeping Tom ahaha

  • Brett Hunan

    If only he was there to save Wang Juan…

    Netizens who said “Peeping is not some huge immoral thing!” doesn’t see the big picture. I think that if someone is daring enough to be climbing up houses or into trees to watch a woman or man in their home, than they would be daring enough to try and break in eventually.

    • hail

      (if he was peeping) His intention was to look at her naked. I don’t think robbing and whacking off go hand in hand like you say.

    • Just John

      I think it was summed up nicely:
      With this as a warning, young women living alone, you must remember to leave a gap/hole/crack in your residence, to make it more convenient for those peeping on you. Focus on accumulating them [Peeping Toms], because at a key moment, they could save your life.

      As Alanis Morissette sang:
      I recommend walking around naked in your living room.

    • Josh

      Arresting someone based on what they might eventually do is not the same, and is not legitimate compared to arresting someone based on what they did. They arrested this man after he saved a woman based on behavior they had no concrete evidence for because of something they speculated he might have done later on. That’s a travesty.

  • Foreign Devil

    I imagine with the gender imbalance in China, rape will become more common. Chinese media releases grizzly and very private photos that would never be released from an american crime scene. . I guess they have different standards. Honestly I think there are some photos that ChinaSmack should use their own judgement on and NOT post!

    • http://www.chinasmack.com Fauna

      We try to show you what Chinese netizens see, especially since it can often help you better understand their reactions. That is also why we try to translate and not only retell.

      • matt

        I kinda agree with Foreign Devil, with the caveat that it’s a tough decision and chinaSMACK does great work. If it were me, I wouldn’t republish the “woman being rescued” photo.

        I doubt the local paper got the victims approval before publishing those pictures. As if getting attacked wasn’t enough, now there’s bloody, semi-naked photos of her on the internet.

        The principle fault lies with whoever originally released the photos. Further disseminating the photos doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do either.

        • Patrick

          Since the focus of this forum is to replicate for others the Chinese netizens perspective it would detract to not include the photo’s. The point is to include the good, the bad and the ugly. In this case yes it makes many uncomfortable due to their own perspectives but that’s their issue. I wouldn’t say things that downplay it – plainly this is bad. But while I don’t care for seeing the grisly photo’s either here or on Chinese TV I would say that western culture has “sanitized” it to make us too comfortable. I’ve had two friends horribly raped and murdered. My Aunt was murdered, dismembered and burned for several days only to have these things put in the news in the most “tasteful” ways possible. To be fair the news story concerning my aunt went national – but only in light of the fact that the murderer (her husband) had a presidential pardon at one point (Reagan).

          I think Chinasmack should continue as is. They have listened to the requests to bring stories that mean something rather than a lot of the fluff that was being translated. The pictures and other that may be posted (although graphic) bring a reality that a “tasteful” story would lack. Thanks Fauna

          • matt

            All fair points, but I’m not really arguing that the pictures should be sanitized to protect us, the viewer. I’m saying that the semi-nude picture shouldn’t be posted to avoid re-victimizing the victim.

            Pictures of blood on the floor and cut hands are fine because they are not embarrassing to the victim. A picture of of the victim without pants is not good because that photo is embarrassing to her. I think we can all agree that she doesn’t deserve anymore public embarrassment over this situation.

          • Patrick

            I totally understood what you said and meant. I wouldn’t have wanted pictures of my aunt posted online or the news. Agreed, this shouldn’t be how it’s delivered in mainstream news. I’m just saying that the practice of keeping the integrity by reposting all materials as it was seen originally. Considering it has been exposed to over a billion mainlanders and god knows who else, I don’t think even a fraction of that will view it on Chinasmack – although yes this site has pretty good viewership. And while it shouldn’t be about how much – that’s a very big reality in this case.

            We are reading the story and the comments of the netizens, to not view it as it was put out there removes the ability for us to see as it was. I don’t want an all-or-nothing attitude, I do have strong feelings concerning this topic and I honestly feel for her pain, I know her suffering was, is and will continue to be painful. But I think journalistic integrity (on the part of Chinasmack – not the original story) trumps that.

      • pada

        I am 100% sure we could make a same thing like AmericaSmack out of funny Americans too.

        • John

          pada, I don’t know why you used the word “funny.” There is nothing “funny” about a woman getting raped.

          In America, no reputable news source would release those photos, esp not the photo showing her partially undressed. American news sources no longer even report the names of the victims of rape (or their relatives), in order to protect the victims. They’ve suffered enough without their shame — a shame that was imposed upon them, not of their own doing — being published causing public humiliation.

          • Just John

            While I would agree with your sentiment here…

            I do not think that he was trying to say the rape is funny.

            I think he was more commenting on the fact that, although Chinese say some stupid things on internet forums, they are not alone and you could probably find just as stupid of comments on American forums.

    • Just John

      You still do not get the fact that chinaSMACK uses the exact material from the article, do you?
      They are not here for moral guidance, and they use no moral rule, only posting the exact same thing.

      What you are suggesting is to remove these barriers which will mean that chinaSMACK is no longer objectively passing on information, but instead are deciding what is right and wrong to pass on based on your moral perspective.

      This would also be the same thing that the great firewall of China does, wouldn’t it? Some entity deciding what is right or wrong based on their whims?

      I would agree with you that if something is illegal, then yes, it should be stopped by Fauna. Ruling based on morality though is a slippery slope, especially since your morality may not match others morality (Radical fundamentalists feel it is morally right to kill you, and companies feel it is morally right to poison you).

      • Irvin

        Couldn’t said it better myself.

      • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

        Just today Shanghaiist did a story on a Taiwanese child porn video that was rebroadcast by champions of free press Apple Action News; for their part Shanghaiist republished a link that would take you to the “Whore’s Truth” and let you see it. You know. For the truth.

        Shanghaiist doesn’t take the amoral impassive take that chinaSMACK does in reblogging word by word; they did it on purpose cause they’re a “news blog”. Whichever it is, the victims keep getting victimized.

        Things will get interesting once a story appears about some Chinese retailer that uses the Prophet Muhamdid to shill some shanzai product. Because as anyone knows, P. Muhammid only uses the real deal.

        • M.N

          Yo,WTF Terroir…

          • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

            I’m sorry. Does Islam condone the use of shanzhai products?

      • matt

        “…they use no moral rule, only posting the exact same thing.”

        Completely disagree. Their purported moral rule is its ok to post something as long as someone posts it first. That’s not good. People are responsible for their own actions.

        And chinaSMACK is exerting editorial control. They are using the semi-naked photo as the article’s image on their homepage. That photo is not prominently displayed in the original articles.

        • guizi

          I agree with you.

          Strange thing is that some criticize Chinese media using that photo but dont criticize chinaSMACK. My understanding of the excuse by chinaSMACk is that it is reporting as is. I think the excuse of the news media is also that they are reporting as is. If both Chinese news media and chinaSMACK are journalism and use the same excuse, we should give them the same criticize. Although I think chinaSMACK is not journalism but an ordinal blog.

  • John

    Another example of why I’m so thankful to be an American. We have a “right to keep and bear arms”, including guns, for self-defense. Too bad this young woman didn’t have a gun handy to fight off this rapist. Too bad the rapist wasn’t killed. Would have saved police, courts, and prisons needless waste of time and money.

    Just glad Xiao Huang, whether a Peeping Tom or not, was there, saw what was happening, and did something to rescue the woman.

    • mr. weiner

      She probably had a taser, but the most one of those chinese made things would do is piss off any would-be rapist.
      His [xiao huang's]explanation of why he noticed what was happening sounds a little too glib, but even so, unlike many chinese people at least he didi something about it.
      Gives a whole new meaning to “neighborhood watch” though.

    • Greg Miles

      That’s also why America has one of the highest rates of homicides per year right?

      It is so easy to get a gun in America, that 15 year old kids have at least one or two lying under their pillow.

      In this situation, having a gun would not have helped the victim in any way. By the time she would have reacted, the perpetrator would have pointed the same gun at her head.

      • John

        Sorry, but most people doing the shooting and being shot in America are gangsters and criminals, usually involving drug deals and most of that involves blacks and Latinos.

        Guns in America are why Americans are FREE! ! ! If our government tries to oppress us, we will shoot back and there are hundreds of millions more of us than there are members of the US military and police combined (and a heck of a lot of them will be on OUR side too!).

        15 y.o. kids have at least 1 or 2 guns under their pillows??? LOL! That statement shows how delusional you are, Greg. Your irrational fear of guns has gotten the better of you.

        Sure a gun would have helped her. Every year in America there are 2 million uses of guns in self-defense without a shot ever being fired. Bad Guys (BGs) are cowards and looking for easy marks, not for fights where they might get killed or injured. Just search the internet and you will find PLENTY of videos where, when victim pulls out a gun and fires, the BG takes off RUNNING!

        Since England and Australia banned guns, gun crimes have risen. BGs know their intended victims are unarmed and thus are emboldened to commit crimes, esp crimes against the weak (women and elderly).

        • Marsvin

          Please, try to stage an armed revolt in the US. Put your money where your mouth is. Let’s see how far your militia gets against predator drones and long range missiles.

          • John

            LOL! Marsvin, you really don’t make any sense. Why would I want to revolt?

            I speak freely in public without fear of reprisal. I own firearms. I vote in local, state, and federal elections. I serve on juries. I travel wherever I want whenever I want. I don’t have to bribe public officials. I don’t fear our police. Political opponents are not dragged off to gulags to be imprisoned or executed. Death squads don’t roam the streets.

            Have you ever read beyond the first two paragraphs of America’s Declaration of Independence to see what our Founders put up with for years before revolting?

            FYI you don’t use firearms against missiles and drones, you use them against the people who operate them. Duh!

            To others, who are more open minded and rational: you may want to learn about “the four boxes of Liberty”: “There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty).

          • Just John

            Apparently you have missed the current issues Congress is dealing with, stripping away your rights to culture to curry favor with legacy gatekeepers and their $$$.

            If you want to find out more, just look up the current E-PARASITE or SOPA bill, along with the Protect-IP bill.

            Then you may come back and tell me how the government is looking out for you, it’s citizens.

            Another reason why I am glad I do not live in the US currently, even though I am an American and proud of my country as a whole.

            A promise must never be broken. (Someone tell that to Obama)
            Alexander Hamilton

            Control your own destiny or someone else will.
            Jack Welch

            There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.
            John Adams

            Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal well meaning but without understanding.
            Justice Louis D. Brandeis

            So, the principles of freedom have nothing to do with guns, but have to do with how the people let government control them.

        • RotJ

          If the woman owned a gun, it wouldn’t have been any use in this situation unless she carried it on her at all times.

          If I owned a gun, I would keep in a drawer or high shelf in my bedroom. I wouldn’t take it out and stick it in my pants every time a stranger rang my doorbell.

          I might be able to run to get my gun if a man tried to restrain me but I doubt a small woman can.

        • Greg

          John,

          my remark that even 15 year olds probably have a few guns under the pillow was a figure of speech.

          You seem to believe that having guns is the perfect self defence. Well it isn’t. Making guns readily accessible just means that more people have them, including the perpetrators of this crime. As a later commentator said, it is unlikely a gun would have helped the victim here unless she held it at all times. Even then, there would be a chance that the gun is turned against her.

          Look at school shootings, armed burglaries, people getting shot on the street. Very few of these things happen in the UK or Australia. Whereas in the United States, this is fairly common.

      • Suicidal tendency

        Yeah!

        If only bearing weapons was authorized, that fellow could have got in the room, tase the lady then shoot the witness through the window.

        These days, you know, people can’t even visit women quietly!!

    • whichone

      I suspect the many people who are killed by guns each year are not as thankful for people ‘s rights to so easily obtain firearms. As for the very tired argument that guns can be used by people to protect themselves against other criminals, I remind you that even (well?) trained soldiers in Fort Hood could not protet themselves against unexpected attacks.

      Given the population density in most Chinese cities and the relative educaton, respect for rule of law, general attitudes towards society, government, individuals in both countries, a law similar to the second amendment would be disastrous in China.

      Chinese reporters print these salacious stories and pass it off as news, well this is going to make the next guy hesistate before callig the police to help someone. Meanwhile whatever the truth may be, this guy’s reputation among his neighbors is probably destroyed…fantastic job.

      • John

        You are either ignorant or intentionally deceiving ChinaSMACK readers: the “trained soldiers in Fort Hood” were unarmed. Soldiers are NOT allowed to have firearms, much less loaded ones, on their persons on base unless they are on security duty or other special circumstances. That is why, until a Good Guy with a gun (actually a gal if I remember), showed up, the Bad Guy had an “open season” shooting soldiers who could only try to run and hide and die while waiting for help.

        The lack of a 2nd Amendment “Right to Keep and Bear Arms” in China is why the Tiananmen Square protest turned out the way it did. In general, even soldiers who may have been sympathetic with the protesters knew that they stood no chance (being unarmed) and thus didn’t switch sides.

        • whichone

          No intentions, just ignorant. I saw the comment by BeijingRafl and have been corrected. I disagree that if the protestors were armed the soldiers facing them are more inclined to “switch sides”.

          If I can refer to your comment to Greg,
          Firearm related homicides per 100,000
          Unite States: ~7
          England: ~0.1
          Australia: ~0.4

          • John

            whichone, glad you took the word “ignorant” as I meant it (lacking knowledge), and not as an insult, as most people would. In hindsight, I should have used “mistaken” since that is less likely to elicit a hostile response. But I don’t claim to be perfect….

            Don’t know about the firearms related homicide stats you post (if they’re accurate, if they’re misleading, etc.), but I do know that certain “communities” (blacks, Latinos), are far more violent than Asians & Caucasians in America. If/when you get a chance, you should want to check out: http://www.colorofcrime.com or at least the first 10 minutes of the C-SPAN video linked there. Lots of good information that the “mainstream media” (MSM), has kept suppressed. Lest you think that Taylor’s stats or conclusions are biased or dishonest, no less a personage than Dr. Walter E. Williams, Econ. prof. at George Mason U., independently verified Taylor’s study (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_35_15/ai_55927034/). Heather MacDonald has also done related studies (http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald.htm). Thanks to the internet, the truth, whether “politically correct” or not, is s-l-o-w-l-y getting out.

            Back on topic: regardless of whether your stats are accurate, just because a lot of thugs use guns to commit crimes (fortunately, usually against each other), that in no way gives the government the right to take away my right to keep and bear arms. As the US Declaration of Independence states, we believe our rights come from our Creator and are to be protected by the government. If they came from the government, the government could arbitrarily take them away.

          • DRaY

            @John,
            You post misleading information. Most of the crime is being committed in America by people coming from poorer backgrounds, just so happens most Blacks and Latinos come from these areas, but whites commit way more crimes. Whites make up around 73% of the population and I assume the majority are middle class, which make their % look better.

            And the 2nd amendment needs to go. The right to bear arms is a joke. America has more gun murders per year than all industrial nations combined. Owning a gun isn’t keeping you safe from tyranny… LOL… Its making you more likely to get shot.

          • John

            No, DRaY, it is you, not I, who is posting misleading information.

            Acc to Jared Taylor, you know, the guy who’s stats Prof. Walter E. Williams verified, says that the correlation between poverty and crime and between lack of high school diploma and crime are each approx. 0.25 to 0.3 whereas the correlation between the % of blacks + Latinos and crime = approx. 0.8! An almost perfect 1 to 1 correlation! That is the single strongest predictor of violent crime rate of an area. Go four minutes in at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFU5jYj6v1g (further on he presents interesting info re the death penalty and race)

            If poverty caused crime, the Pilgrims, who were far “poorer” than ghetto blacks in America (they didn’t have indoor plumbing/water, much less hot water, or toilets; no radios, much less cable TV; no refrigerators, clothes washers & dryers, no dishwashers, etc.) would have been hard-core criminals. In fact, they were extremely law-abiding. Similarly, if poverty caused crime, the vast majority of “Third World” inhabitants would be criminals. They are not.

            As I posted in another thread:
            Since 1986, we’ve gone from 9 states with “liberal” concealed handgun carry laws to 41. NOT ONE state that liberalized their law has EVER gone back! All the fear mongering (“blood in the streets,” “shootouts over fender benders”, etc.) has turned out to be FALSE.
            (search for “Radical Gun Nuttery Right to Carry map”) EVERY state that has passed Shall Issue has seen violent crime rates DROP. Blind fear, based upon ignorance, can best be overcome with facts. Dr. John Lott provides a lot of them in the 3rd edition of his excellent “More Guns, Less Crime”. For those who prefer video, there a many showing how law-abiding citizens have used guns for self-defense at: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheArmedCitizen?blend=3&ob=5#p/u

            Interesting aside: the antis were all predicting great increases in gun crimes once Washington DC was forced (by SCOTUS in the Heller and McDonald decisions), to allow the private ownership of functioning firearms. Guess what? Violent crime went DOWN! Of course, the mainstream media (MSM), never told you that because it doesn’t suit their political agenda (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/30/media-silence-is-deafening-about-important-gun-news/).

          • Fu ZhiGao

            @John

            There was a recent New York Times article with a good number of statistics disputing the so-called “usefulness/helpfulness” of having more guns.

            In emergency situations like robberies, assaults, rapes and so on, there is a higher possibility of shooting the wrong the person. Also, if another person with a gun came on to the scene and saw you with a gun shooting at someone, he might start shooting at you instead.

            I feel much safer in large cities outside of the U.S. knowing that there is no one with a gun walking around. No school yard shootings, no drive by’s, and no muggings at gunpoint.

          • DRaY

            @john,
            Forgive me for not copying and pasting one sided misleading information that I found on the internet.
            So what is the point you are trying to making by posting this? That Blacks and Latinos are inherently criminal by nature?
            Here’s 2 common sense facts.
            1) Poor people are more likely to commit crimes
            2) Poor defendants can’t afford good lawyers
            Therefore they spend more time prisons. And there always good old racism, but that’s not a fight to be fought today.
            Please impress me and show me the actual number of Whites, Blacks, Latinos, Asian, currently incarcerated, then we can look at these numbers along with the percentages. Please copy and paste this.
            That being said, Third world countries do tend to have more criminal activity than most industrialized nations. Travel some more.
            Lastly Pilgrims? Are you talking about Immigrants or Mayflower Pilgrims, because immigrants in large numbers always bring some undesirable criminal aspect to any community they join, granted there are many good people, but some bad ones always mange to slip along for the ride. As for the “Pilgrims” as you called them, European Colonists who eventually killed a shit load of Native Americans, and their women had no rights.. What point are you trying to make?

          • Just John

            sigh, to many john’s in this article.
            I hope you guys are addressing the “John”, not the “Just John”…

            I’ll be right back, I have the overwhelming urge to go to the john.

          • Kyle

            Blacks and Latinos are inherently criminal by nature! At least to a larger extent than the more civilized races such as Whites and East Asians (Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc)

          • Kyle

            mr weiner, why so serious?

            that last comment was just me being an ass :)

            but it’s not too far from the truth. blacks and mexicans are, in general, less intelligent and more aggressive than asians like the chinese. those two factors lead to more aggressive behavior and criminality. is that a surprise? obviously, i know that there are criminals in every race, but you will find more criminals as a percentage of the population amongst blacks/mexicans.

            if you haven’t seen this video yet, it’s worth checking out. watch all of the parts:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MQTe0lxQt8

            the reason i can come up with convincing arguments is because facts and truths are very convincing.

          • mr. weiner

            Damn Kyle.
            You don’t post anything for ages then you come out with that one just to troll humourless liberals like me!
            Ah well, you is what you is, I just wish you’d give your opinion on things non-race related[dear though it is to your twisted little heart].

          • cb4242

            We keep putting these stats out and yet, we seem to generalize and to talk about something that just is not 100% accurate when it comes to race polling. Also, we need to stipulate as to what crimes exactly are we talking about, the reasons why and to say intelligence is the primary factor in committing crimes, probably doesn’t have any real clear understanding of the social and economic issues that are in a large part, contributing factors to a lot of violence that are plaguing these communities. Often people go on the Internet and believe everything that is written or posted, since there aren’t any real oversights in fact checking or implementing rules that insure that articles that are posted are 100% reliable.

          • John

            @Fu ZhiGao

            Re. NYT stats: rather than argue the stats (Dr. Lott on myside, NTY, I assume, on yours), let’s just look at history I posted above: all those states going to “Shall Issue” for concealed carry weapons permits (CCWs), yet NOT ONE going the other way. Except for California, every state from the Mississippi River west to the Pacific Ocean is Shall Issue (meaning as easy to get as a drivers license as long as you don’t have a criminal history, history of alcohol or drug abuse, or history of psychiatric problems). Yet NO significant problems because of it!

            Over at CalGuns.Net, I made up a list of 35 incidents, most involving CCWers. I did NOT select out any. In none of them the things you fear occur (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=2357063#post2357063). I stopped adding to the list because I ran into the limit of the amount of text you can put into 1 posting.

            “I feel much safer in large cities outside of the U.S. knowing that there is no one with a gun walking around. No school yard shootings, no drive by’s, and no muggings at gunpoint.” You’re joking, right? Have you ever been to Mexico? Brazil? Columbia or the rest of Central and South America? (I assume you don’t like to be hacked up by a machete either)? Johannesburg, South Africa? The rest of sub Sahara Africa? London, England? (you don’t like being knifed, right?) Paris, France??? (There are areas of Paris the police don’t even enter!) Pakistan? About the only major cities where this is true are some major Asian cities, esp if the society is homogenous (i.e., lacking religious and racial “diversity”). You make it seem like it is a utopia outside of the US and that everyone is either a victim or a Bad Guy in the US.

          • John

            (When I use the term “Asian,” I am referring to East Asians.)

            Part 1 of 2:
            @DRaY The only thing I cut & pasted was what *I* wrote as a comment in another ChinaSMACK thread. I did provide internet links to my sources, but that is not “copying and pasting.” Either your reading comprehension or reasoning (or both), are in error here.

            I believe that people deserve the truth in order to make reasonable and rational decisions in their lives. I never wrote that blacks and Latinos are inherently criminal. I do NOT know why they choose to be criminals. All I know is that non-Asian minorities (NAMs) are several times more likely to commit crimes than Asians & Caucasians. The sad thing is that liberals are trying to make Asians believe that blacks and Latinos are their natural allies (fellow “people of color” — POC) and whites are their mutual enemies. Asians & Caucasians are close to each other at the top whether the measure is IQ, credit scores, HS GPAs or graduation rates, LSAT scores, law school graduation rates, marriage rates and income. On all those measures, there is a big step down before you get to Latinos, and then another step down before you get to blacks/African Americans. The order is exactly reversed when looking at criminal behavior, esp violent criminal behavior, as well as rates of illegitimacy. That is why, outside of liberal academic institutions and ultra left media, the term POC has not taken off. Instead, blacks & Latinos being grouped together as NAMs has steadily gained acceptance.

            Asians, in just 1 or 2 generations, have joined whites at the top of American society. They undermine liberals’ anti West worldview. That is why liberals are desperately trying to convince Asians that whites are the enemy. In fact, blacks are targeting Asians for attack. (Search for SF Chronicle’s article, “Dirty Secret of Black-on-Asian Violence is Out”, where ~85% of all physical assault crimes in SF in 2008 were blacks attacking Asians.) Similarly, around America there have been many instances of black HS students attacking Asian students (search YouTube for videos.)

            Re. arrest, conviction, incarceration rates: as I have written above, Jared Taylor, in his excellent C-SPAN presentation (“The Color of Crime”) deals with that. Blacks & Latinos are *reported* as the perps of specific crimes in almost exact proportion as their *arrests* for those crimes.

          • DRaY

            @John,
            All races have their good and bad. In America whites have it out against all the non-whites. I’m not American, I lived in America for 17 years. I’ve seen all Races of people prosper in American, I have seen all Races on the bottom rung. I was fortunate enough to make something out of myself professionally in America, something that foreigners don’t really have a chance to do in other countries so I will always love America for that. But people like you really make me shake my head.

            You said that,”All I know is that non-Asian minorities (NAMs) are several times more likely to commit crimes than Asians & Caucasians.” Whites commit tons of crimes, they just don’t get prosecuted as severely as Non-white for doing the same crime. I have a friend who was driving drunk, while taking cocaine, he hit a cars, totaled it, and killed an 80 year old lady walking on the sidewalk. He didn’t spend a day in prison!! How is this possible?
            His lawyer even told him if he wasn’t white and rich he would be in prison. Give me a break, I can give you a ton of other “REAL WORLD” examples, not some one sided stat from some racist.

            Aside from the facts that the system is at times very biased, there is also the fact that White commit more White collar crimes. These are people with high status, money, or power generally tend to get a lighter sentencing than street crimes. People with power, have the money and the resources to get out of tough situations that can cause lawful consequences. Again, my point is how is it possible that 40million black people commit more crime than 220million white people? This makes no sense!!
            The Asian population is America is still relatively small around 5% and I am sure as this number grows so will more undesirable aspects of their culture. You can already see younger Asians American not being as “traditional” as the previous generation in America, and this will lead to them being more American and more likely to makes the mistakes of their contemporaries.

            As for the SF Chronicle’s article, “Dirty Secret of Black-on-Asian Violence is Out”, I’m sure if you took a group of barely and probably anti-social, literate Asians and moved them next to the white trash parks, those rednecks would whoop that Chinese ass all day as well. The article stated some of these people don’t even speak English.

            “Asians, in just 1 or 2 generations, have joined whites at the top of American society.”— You seem to forget Blacks and Latinos are also at the top as well. I mean isn’t the American President Black? Given a fair chance all people regardless of background are the same and are able to compete at the high level and productive members of society. I mean most people in America think Asian and Indians are geniuses, but I have meet the stupidest people I have ever encountered in my life in India and China. So when you show those statistics and talk your American bullshit, you come off like a racist. An ignorant one.

          • cb4242

            @Kyle, you are so full of shit. You just can’t resist being ignorant, huh?

        • da mao houzi

          The 2nd amendment was so that citizens could form a militia against a corrupt government. most of american governments have been corrupt and the citizens have not rose against the government. There is no mention of gun ownership or carrying guns in the constitution. it has been misinterpreted similar to the Koran being misinterpreted.

          • mr. weiner

            So this robber/attempted rapist was obviously a black or latino in a past life? Or maybe he was a latino or black disguised as a chinese guy?
            Kyle your tragedy is you can actually come up with a very convincing argument, but when you just blurt out a couple of misguided sentences like that you sound no better than some ignorant KKK hillbilly.

          • Kyle

            mr weiner

            as a former humorless liberal myself, i can sympathize with you :) i still have a liberal streak in me. it just depends on the issues. sometimes the liberals are right, sometimes they’re not.

            if we meet each other in real life, i would be happy to discuss other things with you. but my main purpose here on chinasmack is to talk about race related topics, though i may stray from it sometimes.

          • mr. weiner

            Kyle, I’ll buy the first round if you ever come to Taipei.

        • Fu ZhiGao

          @John

          Are you a law student? Or do you just happen to have a particular interest in this topic?

          I should have specifically written “cities in East Asia and in Europe.” You are correct though in stating that part of the violence has to do with one’s appearance and how homogeneous a society is.

          I am not going to take the time to read the links you posted, sorry. But I will say that in general, a ballot measure that passes by popular vote is usually not immediately repealed. Having lived in large U.S. cities in the past, I can also tell you that most people there (that I associated with anyways) did not feel safer at the suggestion of allowing people to carry concealed weapons.

          Also, given the rise of the Tea Party in the last two years, and the split in the Supreme Court that currently favors conservatives, I think it is even more unlikely that any ballot measure to restrict the 2nd amendment would probably fail horribly.

          Further, it is not gangsters and organized crime that commit most gun crimes. You are much more likely to be killed by someone you know.

          Lastly, no I did not suggest that outside of the U.S. is a utopia. I don’t think the presence of guns in major U.S. cities makes life there any safer.

          Here’s one quote for you:
          “Guns… are an abomination”
          -Richard Nixon

    • wu lmao

      John,

      if the girl had a gun in her home, there’s a pretty big chance the guy who tried to rape her, who was living with her, would not only know about it, but might have escaped after shooting both she and the Peeping Han from across the street.

      • John

        wu lmao, you are mistaken. The rapist was not living with her. As stated in the first paragraph, he was a “prospective tenant” responding to her internet ad.

        • Wallimo

          Lol I find it funny there is an American 5 Mao on china smack. Everyone has refuted your comments so I won’t bother, I’ll just say you cannot blame blacks and Latinos for being more criminal, they aren’t sub human that right to freedom will be a lot easier to maintain if you treat others with respect then there’ll be no need to bare arms. It’s mistrust and racism that divides us.

  • Wayne

    If a nice lady suspects someone is peeping, how hard it it to get some curtains or install some blinds, especially for the bathroom window? Problem solved. One thing about living in China for a couple of years, they for some reason they don’t usually cover the windows in public places, even on the first floor where people walk right outside. Even the doors in my school are permenantly proped open so if you walk by you see a bathroom full of boys peeing.

  • Peasant

    Came in cuz of that picture.

  • Fort

    That man is a damn Hero no 2 ways about it, Trust stupid fat people behind computers to make up names calling people peeping tom. after heroic acts. this is why u guys never get laid

    • Just John

      You apparently have no idea what you are talking about.
      99% of the people in my department are software engineers, and very few are fat or stupid.

      Write me up a good BSP code for x86 integration for Android, then I may assume you have a clue.

      I want it in two weeks.

      • da mao houzi

        writing code will not suddenly get a geek laid.

        • Tengu

          The stock options will….

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  • DRaY

    Guys, have you seen Chinese TV??? Shit, if I wasn’t able to download my American TV shows here in China I would probably be peeping in windows as well… lol … Atleast his peeping helped someone……

    …. but I have to say Chinese people are some nosey motherfuckers!!!

  • Irvin

    So many rape case lately, if only whores were cheaper this wouldn’t have happen.

  • http://candosino.wordpress.com terroir

    This is the reason why nice old grannies who fall down will blame their saviors: because after a life of hardship and exploitation and being shit on with no one to blame, by become the victim (a real one, not just the self-victimization in their heads) they have power. And, they’ll use that power against whomever they can, even their saviors.

    The guy out of the eighteen passerbys that would have helped Yueyue would have been accused by the mother. She would have been so angry, and with no one to blame, a system that won’t help her, no support system to aid her but what she has scrounged herself — she would have turned the hoses on that pedophile.

  • typingfromwork

    Why didn’t he want to call the police immediately? Because he wanted to make sure he got as much support as possible. Duh.

    This guy was calm and methodical, and succeeded in getting the robber caught with plenty of backup. That’s some pretty clear thinking there.

    Why is the savior being accused here? This just makes people want to help others less and less.

  • http://www.ethansenglishcafe.com Ethan

    Why do they release pictures like this?! What the f***… Poor lady gets almost raped and now has he half naked photos all over the internet, GREAT!

    • Just John

      I fapped.
      fap fap fap

  • GodsHammer

    in China, it seems that no good deed goes unpunished.

  • 6symphony

    The phrase “NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED” comes to mind.

  • MadeInChina

    she looks alright :) hopefully now that tom saved her life, she welcomes him into her home so he can fap off in front of her.

  • roger dodger

    daaaamn isn’t this why that little girl who was ran over by two cars, died, if it wasn’t for her so called peeping tom she’d be dead by now.

  • Tipotter

    China is so beyond fucked it’s getting a bit ridiculous. This country is truly a joke. A “world power?” hahahha. Come on.

    Yet the cost of living is so nice I can’t leave!!!!

  • jiayi

    That’s a lot of blood.

  • e peter

    This is the sick thing about China now. A country full of sofa-critics who just wouldn’t raise a finger to help, but would raise two fingers at those who try to help society from its ills. I am a foreigner who had lived in Beijing for 5 years and was born in south of China. From my perspective, there are some people who try to make the difference for humanity, and there are those who want to repeat your country’s tormented history

  • Andy

    “I kinda agree with the Foreign Devil….” WTF ???
    So it’s okay to call you a Rice-Monkey ?

    • mr. weiner

      Who called anyone a Rice Monkey? I thought they were being quite resonable and measured in their discussion. Why do you have to start name calling?

  • BeijingRafl

    I worked in law enforcement for a few years (sex crimes) and most of the rapists we convicted began their careers as “peeping toms”. After a while, the thrill vanishes and they must engage in progressively more intrusive behavior eventually leading to rape.
    As to the Ft. Hood soldiers massacred, yes they were trained and getting ready to deploy, BUT they did not have their weapons. Thats why it was a civilian security officer who took him down. She was armed, the soldiers were not.

    • whichone

      Though cowardice and general stupidity have robbed me of the chance for public service, I have always had the greatest respect for people who work in law enforcement [except maybe meter maids]. Having said that, I think your conditional probability statement “most rapist…peeping toms” is backwards. Surely the the more relevant number should be what portion of peeping toms progress to more violent sexual crimes? Many heroin addicts probably started their habits using softer drugs, does not mean the reverse is true – that people who try pot will probably turn into hardened drug users.

      On your second point, I did not know that the soldiers were unarmed. I weakly submit that most gun owners probably do not carry their weapon on them while they are in their own homes either, but that is the start of a much bigger ball of wax.

    • Anon

      **MUST?** Generalize much? Who says they don’t visit prostitutes after the peeping act and not become rapists? You’re herding them into becoming rapists with statements like that. There are also commentators who pretend to be ex-enforcement to drop NLPs in sites . . . peeping toms are sick and need counseling, but to turn them into rapists via NLPs is sicker.

      • BeijingRafl

        I agree, they do need help before it is too late. Now, while I would not charge this guy with a rape he has not yet commited (yet!) i would indeed have him subjected to counseling.
        Just check the criminal psychology journals or any reputable forensic journal of your choice, many of them can be found online. They explain in far better detail than I can how this behavior progresses. “Peeping tomming” is NOT a harmless pastime and does indeed lead to more serious behavior.
        As to drugs, that was not my area so I will not comment here.

  • andywattbulb

    I thought he was Chinese?

  • You

    Seeing the photo of recently raped woman sitting half naked on bed feels very disturbing to me. This must be a difficult time for her and to have personal photo distributed all over web seems to add insult to injury. I really wonder if Chinese women are ok with this of if they feel it is inappropriate? I am curious about this.

  • wu lmao

    I’d just like to say thanks for posting it here. I thought something similar when I first saw it — why the hell are they posting pictures of a half naked attempted rape victim to be seen by everyone in her community?

    She is an anonymous person across the world to me who I’ll never meet or know, so I didn’t think twice about seeing it myself. Without it I wouldn’t even be aware that people in China had posted and were reposting it. Since that is the major draw of this site for me, getting an unfiltered view of Chinese culture and zeitgeist, I’m absolutely glad it’s up here.

    I still don’t get the focus ont he guy, and lack of attention on the rape and the victim that makes it seem like rape isn’t a big deal. Especially that one guy justifying the peeping not because something good came out of it, but because hey, everyone looks at girls.

    anyways, thanks for keeping the original spirit of their posts Fauna.

  • XinXin

    Now my Google Chrome thumbnail for ChinaSmack has that picture…

    • Tengu

      Just update Chrome.

      The update will hose the installation and get rid of the thumbnail.

      It’s awesome you get the developers tools flashing so much at the bottom of the screen you’ll have a grand mal seizure while it’s opening additional Chrome sessions every nano-second.

      “thumbnail” is a very odd looking word!

  • SHIER

    lets just look at the positive side of the situation..thanks for the lost pigeon that led to the arrest of the robber/rapist. if all victims keeps blaming those who have intentions to help, then there is really something wrong in the society.LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LITTLE ANGEL RAN OVER BY VAN.. ALMOST ALL THE PASSERSBY IGNORED HIM SO AS NOT TO BE ACCUSED OF…If they keep blaming xiao huang for looking after his pigeons that resulted to saving a life, THEY MUST NEED A SECOND THOUGHT….OR ELSE,THERE WILL NEVER BE GOOD SAMARITANS ALONG THE WAY..

  • dim mak

    Everyone assumes that everyone else is thinking only for their own gain, and thus no one trusts each other

    It’s rat race mentality x100

    • MAOCUNT

      And yet many supporters of CCP believed Mao is doing his cultural revolution not for his own gains. The problem with this government mentality is that they see everything as the reverse, good people like Liu Xiaobo, Ai Wei wei are the bad guys, while bad people like Jiang Zemin, Li Pang are the good ones.

  • guizi

    Miss Fauna, please dont omit the story. On sina’s article, there is a comment from Xiao Huang’s friend. He says that Xiao Huang’s real name is NiuLang, and the girl is actually a princess named ZhiNu from Heaven. Nothing wrong with NiuLang watching Zhinu taking a bath. They are going to marry soon. So possibly they will live happily thereafter or Possibly not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jade_Emperor#The_princess_and_the_cowherd

  • http://www.qq.com1325279774 Kedafu

    Song of the Article

    Sucker
    -Peeping Tom (Featuring Norah Jones)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-QtkjytoJA

    wumaodang

  • You

    @dray

    Poor people are more likely to commit crimes?

    Or should we consider the crimes poor people committ are more likely to be criminalized?

    • dim mak

      More like it’s both

  • WYL

    Let’s just say that as a female, if the consequence of being saved from rape is being watched by a Peeping Tom, then for the love of God, Tom, peep all you want.

  • http://chinashmina.com Augis

    Nanjing Judge case deterred Chinese from helping each other.
    Now the future rape victims will know why nobody will dare to help them.
    Because only “peeping Toms” do…

  • Rick in China

    That giant teddy is a little weird in those photos.

    I guess the weird thing to say would be:

    At least she had her teddy to stare at while she was being beaten, cut, tied up, and raped.

  • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

    rape
    peeping tom
    this is the longest and only “comment” I will ever write…..

    check out this article it is about ChinaSMACK

    http://eastasiastudent.net/china/chn-spc/problem-with-chinasmack/

    —-
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    November 12, 2011 at 14:55 · Reply
    very cool comrade

    I found this article on

    china.alltop.com

    and will relay this back to the SMACK!

    -

    I love it and am Chinese 50c

    Gore, Sex, Violence, but no Politics!
    its great!

    I really hate most of the post comments, stupid, nonsense, trolling
    hatred and racism. The worst, fake names and people

    I am 100% for internet identity registration

    Anyone on the chinblogosphere remember the “Filthy Indian photo from Varnasei”

    no link…..search yourself!
    Some Indian 50rp nationalist started a I hate ChinaSMACK group. It did not gather followers, because hate hates then dies, love prevails bitches!

    Recently, some mofo called me out CS, check it out, comment #83
    am calling this person out…..

    http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/stories/man-who-saved-woman-from-rape-accused-of-being-a-peeping-tom.html

    In the mean time Comrade Hugh Grigg,

    As I wrote this, was listening to….

    Song of this Comment

    Bull’s on Parade
    – Rage Against The Machine

    http://www.56.com/u22/v_NTQzMjYwMTk.html

    love and peace comrade!

    dont fcuk with the wumao!

    and listen to this!!!!!

    • donscarletti

      Checked the page, I will be right back here tomorrow, because frankly, it’s just really entertaining. As for “East Asia Student”, well, put it this way, people like Chinasmack for those same reasons that he listed, maybe if that guy should learn and imitate.

      Oh, by the way, I laughed at this article:
      http://eastasiastudent.net/china/chn-spc/annoying-foreigners/
      For what it is worth, it _is_ easier to read the Chinese on the streetsigns at a distance than the English/Pinyin because it’s bigger… also Shanghainese streetsigns will kindly tell you the name of the street you are on, the next cross street and the parallel street on either side, but not the cross street you are approaching.
      Also, I hated Chinese food for my first year in China and ate absolutely anything else, it’s just a bit heavily flavoured for the most part, but your taste gradually adapts.

    • Capt. WED

      China is the fucking debt pwning sith empire, America is the fucking super-power world police rebel alliance of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints. Our universe is sitting on 8th dimensions of giant lizard ballz and shitting out other dimensions that’s outside of the 8th asshole that’s doing the shitting. Shit is TREAL AS FUCK!

    • Capt. WED

      back on top: rape it, rape it real good.

  • Beni

    I mean seriously, she was saved from being raped, i think she is obliged to let him peep on her for life if needed lol. Being peeped on is so much better than the former….

  • BC

    Is it any wonder no one rushes to the aid of anyone else in China? We just talked about how no one tried to help the little girl hit by a vehicle. Now when someone does try to do something good look what happens to him!

  • B

    C’mon the dude saved her from being raped, what if he took a little peep. Who cares , at least it didn’t take 18 passerby’s before someone took action.
    morons…

  • http://www.kungfuology.com/andybest/ Andy Best

    Matt is right. Reposting something is not amoral.

    It can spread further, reinforce, legitimize. Maybe China doesn’t have clear laws about it but many countries do. That’s where the moral choice comes in. You looks at the range of attitudes on it then choose where you stand.

  • InstantNoodles

    Oh great. Now no one will report rape, assault, breaking and entering, etc etc you name it, became the one reporting will be labeled a social deviant.

    So now speaking up against small crimes committed by the peasants and speaking up against large crimes committed by the emperors are both criminal behavior. Is this the meaning of equality in China?

  • Nyancat

    Fauna any chance you might be able to translate articles on Gary Locke? It should be interesting to hear what netizens have to say about him.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com Fauna

      Many Western news media have already reported about this.

      • Nyancat

        That may be so but the views and opinions shared there are of Westerners, I think the opinions of local Chinese would be far more interesting, seeing as how he is completely different from politicians in China.
        I read that the ruling power in China wanted the media to report less on him, seeing as how he made them look bad by being what most politicians anywhere are not, humble.
        I’m pretty sure that an article on him would generate a fair amount of buzz, if you guys are worried that publishing an article on him might get the GFW sights trained on this website, then it’s totally understandable, just a suggestion anyway.
        You guys do good work, keep it up :)

    • donscarletti

      Get him to post something emotional on diaspora@chinasmack about how all of this talk about being a “假洋鬼子” (probably by Eattot) and people saying he can’t speak real Chinese was made irrelevant when he was mistaken for a local and merely kicked in the stomach at a protest, without having to be recalled.

  • guizi

    Fauna, can you remove the photo, or the entire article?
    I think you can and should.

    • Chef Rocco

      She won’t. I requested her to remove the photo showing a Chinese girl’s semi-nude body on hospital bed, she didn’t even bother to reply.

    • DRaY

      And why should she do that? Go surf (http://english.gov.cn/chinatoday.htm) or some other propaganda website if this shit is too real for you. …sheesh

      • mr. weiner

        I agree, distasteful as they are[ or exciting to Just John] these photos are the story that was reported in China, so they should stay. Cersonship is a slippery slope people

        • Just John

          Actually, I was teasing him about his moral outrage because of the picture of the woman.

          Blood is not a turn on for me, in fact, downright nauseates me, but then again, so do morally “holier than thou” people.

          • mr. weiner

            I know JJ, sorry I was using you as a comedic foil to counterbalance any rebuke in my post.
            Besides which we all know you only get off on pictures of pilot whales being bludgened

          • Just John

            You forgot crying Guo Mei Meis.

          • mr. weiner

            O.K. Guo Mei Mei crying in a wetsuit whilst bludgening a pilot whale [sicko]

    • dim mak

      The pics are on NF, Sina, even nationalist shitholes like Tiexue

      Why not here?

      • guizi

        ChinaSMACk is not NF, Sina, or Tiexue. Perhaps that is why.

  • DRaY

    Dear China smack,
    Now that you have given in the FAKE LIBERALISTS , who can now enjoy reading China Smack whilst sipping there lattes without having to see that picture. Can you now edit the stories as well making more in line with the expectations of these fucking assholes who have nothing better to do than rag on a story that is a repost. I wonder did they go to all the other sites that posted the photo and complain there as well.
    Thanks,
    DRaY

    • guizi

      Fake liberal. I think you are a true liberal, true man, or great man, DRaY the Great. I dont know which is great, liberal, conservative, leftist, or rightist. I am usually called conservative or right wing, though I think they mean nothing.

      > I wonder did they go to all the other sites that posted the photo and complain there as well.

      When I was in an elementary school, mischievous boys often said this when scold by his teacher, “Why only me? Others did the same.” Actually he was the only boy found by teacher. I rarely hear this sort of excuses after elementary school. But on the Internet forum, I often see the same excuse. That is why I think Internet forums are the same as elementary school.

      • DRaY

        I’m just some shmuck on the message board, … I’m not GREAT by any means, but …. Let me get this right. China Smack is a site that re posts and translates popular articles from popular Chinese sites. That’s the purpose of the site. So you are so disgusted by something that’s a part of a re post, that you ask them to remove certain things ie. photo. Well if that’s the case they should remove other things as well, I find many of the translated comments in many of the articles much more offensive to me (some really make me angry) than a photo of a half naked woman who’s face which happens to be covered. I mean if everything that’s to be considered offensive or in poor taste is removed from the post, then the article will lose it’s authenticity, and totally void the purpose of the site. If China Smack as is, offends you so much then find some other site, plain as that.

        This is what I mean by FAKE LIBERALISM, everything and everyone is fine to express themselves until someone says or does something you deem offensive and then you freak out. The majority of these articles are offensive and tasteless, and the comments are as well, should they all be edited? Just sit back and enjoy the ride and stop being a cunt, dictating what you think is right from wrong…

        … and if Internet forums are like elementary schools in your opinion? Why the fuck are you here? Again you condescend yourself, making yourself look like a childish spoiled little child who wants everything her way…… I don’t get your point.

        • guizi

          I said it’s not good, because its not good, regardless of the rule. When you are criticizing China about something, if China says that it’s Chinese rule, law or way, you stop criticizing China? Further chinaSMACK policy is not actually true. chinaSMACK doesn’t report China as is. It doesn’t put political issues, also they moderate. Perhaps Fauna should rewrite about and FAQ sections.

          I think your usage of fake is wrong. People say fake when for example answering a con man saying that this ring is pure gold. I didn’t say I am liberal nor pretend to be liberal. Rather I am often labeled as right wing and conservative.
          I don’t understand your explanation of Fake liberalism too.

          I like net forums discussing lots of things. But unfortunately there are lots of stupid people, bigots, racists and others. Sometimes they get huge criticisms from other forum members and disappear. I really hope they all disappear from the net.

  • dundung

    well….no matter he is the ‘peeping tom’ or not…thank’s god he peeped anyway..that girl could have been killed..

  • http://www.bestvpninchina.com Rod

    Typical Chinese cynicism. But it’s one of the great things I like about ChinaSMACK and the people on it.

  • shaniqua1990

    ah, the typical “more guns = more gun crime” idiot.
    Switzerland has the 2nd biggest guns per capita in the world and one of the lowest violent crime rates in the wrold.

  • http://- Justice Pao

    If its indeed true that Xiao Huang is a peping tom, his action has saved a life. If he had not been there at that time, the girl would have been raped and murdered and the Police would not have arrested the culprit. Xiao Huang is a hero and should be rewarded, not punish.

  • Exman

    The truth could be either way, either Xiao Huang was curious, and investigated the incident or he’s a peeping tom. However, I’ll say this, the reason most Chinese people don’t like to help or get involved a crime they witness, is because of things like this, they might get accused and blamed themselves. The justice system turns in on its own society.

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