Kim Jong-un’s Uncle Purged and Executed, Chinese Reactions

Jang Sung-taek

The recent fall and execution of Jang Song-taek (alternatively Jang Song-thaek) received widespread media attention in China, to the point where special, dedicated sections on major news web portals like NetEase were featured. Jang was widely seen as second only to North Korea’s “Supreme Leader”, and possibly the man who ran North Korea when Kim Jong-il died until son Kim Jong-un took over.

From NetEase:

South Korea Claims Kim Jong-un’s Uncle, Jang Sung-taek, May Have Been Purged

Yonhap News Agency, Seoul, December 3 reports — According to the National Intelligence Service [NIS], the uncle-in-law of North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un and Vice Chairman of the National Defence Commission Jang Sung-taek is suspected to have fallen. Jeong Cheong-rae, a representative of [South Korea's] largest opposition party, the United New Democratic Party, told Yonhap News Agency journalists that the NIS had revealed that day that two trusted aides of Jang Sung-taek had been publicly executed in the middle of November, that Jang Sung-taek has not made any public appearances since, and very likely has already been ousted.

From NetEase:

Jang Sung-taek Profile

Born 1946 February 6, son-in-law of original North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Il-sung, brother-in-law of Kim Jong-il, uncle of the present North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un.

1972 April, Jang Sung-taek married Kim Kyong-hui, the only sister of Kim Jong-il.

1982 October, appointed Vice Chief of the Worker’s Party of Korea Central Youth Division, becoming Chief in 1998 December.

1992 December, elected to be member of the Workers’ Party Central Committee

2007 October, appointed Chief of the Workers’ Party Central Administration Department

2010 June, elected Vice Chairman of National Defence Commission.

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Jang Song-taek and Kim Kyong-hui

Comments from NetEase:

屠龙术:

The deposing of regents has been common since ancient times, a common drama in the inner power struggles of court.

送子和尚:

Jang Sung-taek, the bravest man in North Korea, these are his glorious conquests: Fucked the daughter of Fatty the First [Kim Il-sung]. Laid the younger sister of Fatty the Second [Kim Jong-il]. Fucked Fatty the Third’s aunt. You did not waste your life, and can wear a smile on your face in hell [the afterlife].

网文随说:

After all the branches had been scrapped off, all that’s left is a single trunk [may also be a pun on "bachelor"]

wangqiang73:

Starting with the uncle in the dissolution of the family business [dynasty]. Taking a different road [for the future]. Young man [Kim Jong-un], I have high hopes for you.

网易浙江省湖州市手机网友:

Couldn’t even outmaneuver Fatty III?

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From NetEase:

Photos of Kim Jong-un’s Uncle Jang Sung-taek Being Arrested Exposed

According to news from the North Korean Central News Agency on December 9, North Korea issued on December 8 a communiqué of the enlarged meeting of the Politburo of the Central Committee of Workers’ Party of North Korea [WPK]. On December 9, North Korea’s Chosun Central Television made public photos of former Vice Chairman of the National Defence Commission Jang Song-thaek being arrested. “Radio Free Chosun”, citing senior high-ranking officials in Pyongyang, reported that Jang Sung-taek and 6 associates had already been executed last Thursday and the broadcasted photos were taken before the meeting was held on Sunday. Meanwhile, Yonhap News Agency in South Korea reported that the NIS had no information on officials being executed.

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Comments from NetEase:

1個好朋友:

There are only eternal interests, not eternal uncles, much less “brothers in arms”~

中國夢我去年買了個表:

Not strange, Fatty the Third even sent people to assassinate his own elder brother, to say nothing of an uncle without blood relation. The people of North Korean struggle on the edge of death, but Fatty the Third lives in extravagance, an utter beast!

烂蓝:

Fatty the Third’s fat body is because a smaller body could no not contain the universal truths the fill Fatty the Third.

烂蓝:

There will be constantly be Jang Sung-taek, Lee Sung-taek, Zhao Sung-taek???

桎梏至墓:

Power destroys people’s humanity. Anyone in the face of someone of an even higher power is no better than a dog. In a society of totalitarian dictatorship, no one has a sense of security!

Kim Jong-chul

Kim Jong-chul

From NetEase:

South Korean Intelligence Agency: Jang Sung-taek Arrested by Kim Jong-un’s Second Elder Brother

Xinhuanet December 11 report — After the North Korean Central News Agency’s high-profile confirmation that Jang Sung-taek has been purged by Kim Jong-un, an atmosphere of tension and conjecture hangs over the Korean peninsula, with details about Jang Sung-taek’s fate and the impact of the affair constantly coming out. Just how did a powerful mogul like Jang Sung-taek allow himself to be seized without putting up a fight?

According to Lee Youn-gel, representative of the South Korean Strategic Intelligence Service Center: In fact, even Kim Jong-un’s favored Director of the Central Military Commission Choe Ryong-hae would not have dared to arrest Jang Sung-taek and the Ministry of State Security was unable to interfere either. In the end it was Kim Jong-un’s second elder brother, Kim Jong-chul, who led the guards of the Guard Command and had Jang Sung-taek arrested.

What more, the execution of Jang Sung-taek loyalists, First Vice Director of the Central Administration Department Lee Yong-ha [alternatively Ri Ryong-ha] and Vice Director Jang Soo-kee [alternatively Jang Soo-kil], in the prison of the Guard Command, was also commanded by Kim Jong-chul; that Kim Jong-chul personally led the guards of the Guard Command and Ministry of State Security and captured these people as a herald.

Earlier in April of this year, Japanese media exposed that Kim Jong-chul had been promoted to the leader of a secret organization of North Korean princelings. It seems Kim Jong-un no longer has anyone he can really trust among the high-level officials in Pyongyang and today’s confidants may very well become tomorrow’s enemy. That’s why he had his own brother perform the task of execution.

As a result, people must be feeling jittery in North Korea. It is said that those close to Jang Sung-taek and fear being implicated are one after another fleeing out of the country. South Korean media reported that an important trusted aide who may have been in charge of Jang Sung-taek’s finances has already requested political asylum from South Korea and may presently be temporarily staying in a secret location under protection by South Korean diplomatic officials.

The bloody internal power struggles and political unrest in Pyongyang might also affect neighboring countries. South Korea has already gone into full-alert. For China, although the spokesman for the Foreign Ministry said during a press conference on December 9th that the Jang Sung-taek affair was an internal matter of North Korea, the Chinese military is said to have significantly heightened its state of alert on the Sino-Korean border, to guard against any impact on the stability of China’s borders owing to any regime changes triggered by repeated purges by Kim Jong-un.

Comments from NetEase:

刺刀34:

The sudden change of attitudes [falling out between people] is so merciless that you could lose your life at any time. No matter how loyal a slave is, it may just be a different road to the same ending.

网易江苏省常州市网友:

Second elder brother, in a few years, it’ll be your turn!

mdjswc:

With such bloody purges, your own end may probably lies ahead! When even your own uncle cannot escape being purged, on whom can you depend? As the old saying goes: One cannot afford to incur the wrath of the public! Kim Jong-un’s own end may be even more miserable!

山寨临时工:

The Kims are nearing their end.

胡原0:

It won’t take long before a ferocious battle takes place between Kim Jong-un and his second elder brother Kim Jong-chul. Just wait and see!

Comments from Phoenix Online:

凤凰网湖北省网友:已是桑田

Even brothers have differences some time. Let’s just quietly wait for the coming of that day.

凤凰网北京市网友:darkgrey

The ordinary common people of North Korea have seen hope. The great universal commander-in-chief is going to unify the whole world.

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From NetEase:

Jang Sung-taek Sentenced to Death and Immediately Executed Yesterday in North Korea

CCTV News: Kim Jong-un’s Uncle Jang Sung-taek Sentenced to Death, Immediately Executed — According to North Korea’s Central News Agency, the North Korean Ministry of State Security held a special military tribunal for Jang Sung-taek on the 12th. The tribunal convicted Jang Sung-taek of being ideologically in league with enemies, that his plot to overthrow the North Korean people’s sovereignty and behavior to subvert the country constituted a crime in Article 60 of North Korean Criminal Law. He himself made a full confession of his criminal behaviors, was sentenced to death and executed immediately. (CCTV journalist: Zhao Shuguang)

Comments from Sina Weibo:

小柯爱跑步:

Truly ruthless. Never mind having a the defense of a lawyer, there wasn’t even a second trial [chance to appeal].

不想做的不做:

There a downright tyrant was born.

WEfans_郭恒源:

Hehe~ White and black, isn’t it all decided by yourself?

何依倪:

I ultimately feel he was wronged, just like in the Cultural Revolution.

有感情的飞:

I don’t know if it is “the people’s” sovereignty or “Kim xx’s” sovereignty.

0度蔚蓝泉:

North Korea is too terrifying…..

巨蟹Nicolai:

Sigh, how similar! In such a country, even the second-in-command doesn’t know if he’ll survive to tomorrow, where he can be an honorable guest yesterday and suddenly a prisoner in the blink of an eye, let alone the ordinary citizens.

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  • Ivan Teo

    Fatty Kim should be executed

    • SonofSpermcube

      ALL the Kims and their clique should be executed.

      So should the elites of most other countries. And I should be studying. None of these things are gonna happen.

  • SonofSpermcube

    10 years ago, Kim Jong-chul was the guy everyone in the west who thought about it thought would succeed Kim Jong-il. That guy has got to be sweating bullets, and while life in North Korea is one continuous loyalty test from cradle to grave for everyone, I’m sure he’s tested harder than most. This arrest probably counts as one.

  • moeimoei

    I read stuff from NK as jokes, can’t take anything from there seriously…at all! not even this…

  • masonman

    Come on China, all you have to do is close off all of your trade with this country, and its government will be burning to the ground within the year! China is the life support of North Korea. Most Chinese people don’t like North Korea. Nobody likes, or trusts, their government. Just let go. China is only friends with them as some desperate attempt to cling to some semblance of Communist ideology. They need to give it up. Stop sending North Korean refugees back into their country to be executed, stop sending North Korea ANYTHING. When even the soldiers start starving, Kim will soon be where he should be: lying in a pool of his own miserable blood.

    • Tova Rischi

      This can be like saying “starve 2 million so 200 thousand won’t starve in the coming years”. Preventive measures can sometimes be worse than living with it. I’m not saying this isn’t the situation where taking 2 million won’t possibly save 200 million, but even those in the CCP upper ranks have souls, it isn’t easy to let so many people die because of your own actions.

      • masonman

        its not a preventative measure. I think if every country actively attempted to OPEN UP trade with North Korea, that would ALSO cause a massive change as trade will always make a country move towards capitalism. However, I doubt that will happen, so the other option is brute force: cutting off trade. However, if it requires forcing entrepreneurs to make other decisions, then I suppose I would change my mind on the matter. However it seems most of the trade is government to government, not business to business or business to government.

        • Tova Rischi

          People already are trying to do that, just as they are with Cuba and a number of other countries like that. North Korea is entirely responsible for the mess it’s in; and Chang is by many accounts suspected to have been killed off precisely because he favored Chinese style reforms over Military first policy (whence the mass recalling of diplomats from around the world).

          I liken it somewhat the problem of what to do with a drug addict. Letting them hit rock bottom is usually the only thing to cause them to change, but sometimes that can mean death or long term imprisonment. Forcing them to change means fighting them; addicts almost always fall back into usage, which isn’t comparable, but you have to realize you’d be fighting the world’s largest army, and a very deeply indoctrinated one at that; the cost in human lives would be enormous, at least on their side. Enabling them isn’t good either, but at a level support (such as giving them food or shelter in the hopes the’ll get it together) really act to enable. So it’s a catch 22 all the way. I’m not saying China shouldn’t start acting differently towards it’s mad guard dog, but a cut and dry reversal of policy could cause a significant amount of damage in the long term too.

          Another way of looking at it is there’s a reason only a few types of people become politicians – people too stupid to see all sides of an issue or people with too much of an ego to care; people with souls, who do get leadership positions often themselves, tend to be ineffectual or bad, like William Howard Taft or Jimmy Carter. It’s all relative, but China’s leaders are a mix of barbarians, the soulful, and spoiled rotten; making such a decision is going to be very tough, especially because the barbarians would rather game a broken system (China itself) than turn their eyes outside their borders, and the current that wants to act sensibly and avoid further conflict, not just with both Koreas but with Taiwan, Japan, and India, doesn’t want the barbarians to do that.

          • David S.

            The Chinese government could at the very least stop sending back any defector they get their hands on. I mean it’s not like they need to keep them, just drive them to the South Korean embassy and they’ll take it from there.

            China is not just enabling, this is active collaboration.

          • masonman

            Very true. Its extraordinarily reprehensible to be sending innocent families back to a viciously murderous regime.

          • Tova Rischi

            Agreed, but the situation is still very delicate. History can lead people down unrighteous paths. Honestly to me it seems it might be better to move them to Russia’s Korean community, so such a betrayal is kept as secret as possible.

            I fear for when Juche falls, the number of people fleeing from the nation and what measures will be taken. Fear it like fearing an arm getting re-set but fearing it nonetheless.

    • vonskippy

      No, China supports NK because it’s a buffer between China and the rest of the world. No NK, and the west would be right on their border.

      • masonman

        Maybe they believe that, but if they do, that is an absolutely absurd theory. The Cold War is over. China has the economic upper hand. They don’t need to play this childish game anymore.

        • FYIADragoon

          China is now a feared nation rather than an inferior one too. So tell the insecure Chinamen buying up all of the luxury goods that they can stop overcompensating now.

          • Kai

            Come on now, using slurs is a mark of a sort of insecurity as well. Let’s just stick with making a reasonable point without sabotaging it with petty color.

          • FYIADragoon

            I didn’t realize “chinamen” was a big deal. I apologize for the misunderstanding. My point being, telling them that it’s time to relax and stop worrying about other nations falls on deaf ears when spoken to them. I suppose the next thing people will want is for them to turn away the gajillion missile batteries pointed at Taiwan, because the Taiwanese military is vastly outmatched, with or without them.

          • Kai

            I understood your point, which is why I characterized it as a “reasonable” one (at least imo). I just don’t think cS needs more casual racism needlessly distracting from the points that may actually lead to interesting discussions, and I know you know “chinaman” is widely seen and recognized as a slur.

    • One for all

      Unfortunately, North Korea is sitting on an estimated $6 trillion worth of minerals waiting to be dug up…..China is just biding its time until the regime collapses

  • KamikaziPilot

    5th picture down Kim Jong-chul is giving an epic stink-eye to someone.

  • Guang Xiang

    Man, this is some Stannis vs Renly shit right here.

  • FYIADragoon

    America, all you had to do was cut the leeches in Israel lose, and you could call out China on their link with North Korea. You had one job, America….

    • SonofSpermcube

      Had? Like this isn’t still possible?

      • FYIADragoon

        USA has doubled down so many times on their Israel bet, that with the enemies its made us, it’s starting to become a Catch-22 on the idea of dropping them. Moreover, they own the Republican Party, and much of the Democratic one too. They’ve been given too much time to infest the government. The USA is chained to Israel at this point. It’s a pity that a more neutral arbiter like the EU isn’t allowed to oversee the talks between Israel and Palestine, because its laughable that the USA is in charge of them.

    • Kai

      LoL!

  • FYIADragoon

    The leech is Israel. Leave them to their fate.

    • moody

      how exactly is Israel comparable to NK exactly ?

      • FYIADragoon

        Ah, maybe I’ve not been clear on what I’m comparing. Their development levels are nowhere near the same, though socially speaking, they at times resemble Apartheid South Africa Lite. The comparison I’m referring to is their antagonism of the surrounding countries and dragging in their superpower buddy (at the buddy’s cost) to “fix” their disputes on a regular basis. At this point, it would be completely hypocritical for the US to complain about NK to China when people have been complaining to them about Israel for ages. The easy option of ”taking the high road” doesn’t exist here. And the US would be the nation in the best position to appeal to China.

        • moody

          Israel is a country that fights for it’s very existence surrounded by countries that would gladly wipe them off the map.
          North Korea, well it’s just fucking North Korea mate.
          a bunch of gangsters, keeping millions starving while developing a nuclear program.
          how are they even on the same page ?
          not sure what you are smoking but you definitly need to share.

          • FYIADragoon

            I’ve already explained it. And the fearmongering doesn’t work, things aren’t anywhere near what they were during the founding of the country. Israel has had opportunities to bury the hatchet with neighbors. They insist on pissing off the people around them. They have had past officials confirm in the past that the goal is to use the settlements to take more and more land. I am aware that they produce things of use, but they also treat many non-native Jews (Ethiopians for example) and Palestinians like shit in their country. And yet the USA still supports them. And last I checked, we didn’t even get an airbase out of it! So, If you want to eat the propaganda that’s fine, but I’ve spelled it out for you to the point that a child would understand it. Maybe you should lay off the sauce and think a bit?

          • moody

            well if you explained it and spelled it our for me to the point that a child can understand it then i guess i can go back to sleep.
            I certainly don t support the implementation of new settlements/colony

            but you have to put yourself in other’s people shoes, Settlements whole purpose is to create a buffer zone while rockets are being thrown over the border every now and then.

            Ethiopians, they are non natives Israelians, but they are Jewish.
            The Israelian gov facilitated the imigration of thousands of Ethiopians into Israel (with a lot of financial aids), and that causes stir among Israelians.
            When life get’s hard and tax money is going to help non locals, you can understand that it pisses SOME people off.

          • Zappa Frank

            actually most of jewish aren’t native of Israel since they origin in Europe. besides the native jewish that lived there all time are not treated good as well. Israel supported immigration of jewish from the whole world, but just on Ethiopian people got pissed off…

          • moody

            “Jewish origin in Europe ….”
            that’s just great to read such nonesense affirmed like it’s actually the truth
            the seven jewish tribes are the origins of why you can find Jewish in north africa, in what is now eastern europe, Russia and as far as in CHINA.
            And concerning the hostile feeling toward Ethiopians you try and describe, i ll have you know that hostile feelings towards Russian refugee exist too
            proof that it’s not based on skin color.
            so don t try and make Israeli seem racist, it is not the case

          • Zappa Frank

            the truth is that one, most jewish in Israel, or at least the most powerful groups are from Europe. If you want to talk about an semi-mythic origin of seven tribes..well ok, whatever..but actually they came from Europe .
            In china jewish got mixed so much that they just discovering back now, for convenience.. probably there’s more jewish blood in a random med people than these “Chinese” jewish.
            I don’t try to make Israel seems racist, Israel IS racist, that’s a fact widely known by anyone. But if to deny it makes you feel happy, ok.

          • moody

            No they are not from Europe, at least bother to look it up before you go on making nonesense statements that you think are the truth
            most are from North Africa (Sepharadic jews, Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia ….)
            And even the Ashkenazi jews are mostly coming from Russia, not eastern europe
            As for the most “powerfull groups”, how is that relevant to this argument
            as for Israel being racist
            the fact that it s a “widely know fact” by Zappa Frank and his crew does not make it a fact.
            Just one more opinion from somebody who obviously have internet but not the skills to check on what he assumes to be true

          • Zappa Frank

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi
            take a look about where they did come from.
            For the rest I don’t bother to reply, it’s pointless.

          • moody

            Dont you read the links before you post them ?
            Let’s go full on Wikipedia since it seems to be the only website accessible from your basement

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

            Sepharadic jews account for slightly more than 50 % of Israel population (NOT FROM EUROPE)
            Among the Ashkenazis, almost half are repesentend by people originating from Russia
            now is Russia in Europe ? miiiiiiiippppp, think not
            so that makes slighlty less than 30% of the Jews in Israel being from Europe.

            now of course if you are so sure that you are in the right that you won t even check it.
            well good for you, continu to spread the nonesense you beleive are actual facts and make even more people base their judgement on missinformation.
            that s just great

          • Zappa Frank

            I read the link I posted, unlike you.

            please read with me:

            Sephardi Jews (Hebrew: סְפָרַדִּי, Modern Sfaraddi Tiberian Səp̄āraddî) is a general term referring to the descendants of Jewish settlers who trace their origins to the Israelite tribes of the Middle East, who lived in the Iberian Peninsula until the Spanish Inquisition. It can also refer to those who use a Sephardic style of liturgy, or would otherwise define themselves in terms of Jewish customs and traditions from the Iberian Peninsula. Accordingly, the term Sephardic Jew refers to Jews who follow Sephardic Halakha.

            The term essentially means “Spanish”.

            Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or simply Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y’hudey Ashkenaz, “The Jews of Germania”), are a Jewish ethnic division.

            their very name confirm their origin places…

            By the way you also lack of geography because RUSSIA is Europe till the Ural mountains.

            We can question if Wikipedia is valid or not, but at least you should give some other and more reliable links, while you just pretend to be believed.

          • moody

            well you obvisouly did not read mine, please take a moment to check my link and you’ll see that you are wrong
            giving definitions is on thing, look at the numbers behind it

          • Zappa Frank

            please tell me you are not talking about this table:
            Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel[16]TOTAL5,818,000100%Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews2,721,00050.2%Morocco800,00015.2%Iraq204,0007.7%Yemen295,0004.9%Iran236,0004.0%Algeria/Tunisia224,0003.8%Other Asia150,0002.5%Turkey147,0002.5%Libya136,0002.3%Egypt112,0001.9%Other Asia200,0001.7%India/Pakistan76,0001.3%South America25,0000.04%Other Africa (Not South Africa)3,0000.05%Beta Israel (Ethiopia)130,0002.2%Ashkenazi Jews2,767,00047.5%Russia1,018,00020.9%Poland400,0008.3%Romania351,0007.6%Other Europe168,0003.7%North America (Including 4,000 African American Black Hebrews)165,0002.8%Germany/Austria160,0002.7%Bulgaria/Greece97,0001.9%South America82,0001.4%Hungary63,0001.3%Czechoslovakia60,0001.2%outh Africa20,0000.4%

            else tell me chapter I missed, because in your link there’s nothing about what you say.

          • Zappa Frank

            did you read the original table? did you understand why is wrong according to that table to do the deductions you did?

            it is a table that shows the origin of country of the people, it means they were not born in Israel. Can you explain me how does this have any relation with the origin of Ashkenazi Jews
            and Sephardic Jews? Even more, the original table just says the country of origin, did not even divide in Sephardic or Ashkenazi.. Obviously if we are talking about Sephardic who left Spain during inquisition is hard to find some of them alive and arrived in Israel so that they can write country of origin “Spain”.. however they are of Spanish origin (from diaspora till 1600 – 1700).. for the Ashkenazi 20% of 47% is from Russia (Russia is in Europe), but even now, obviously the biggest part of European (non-exsovietic) Ashkenazi left Europe after the WW2, most of them had children in Israel. Ashkenazi speak Yiddish that is a german language not a Slavic one.

          • jixiang

            Most of the people who get called “Sephardi” in Israel are not from Spain, but from the Middle East. Some of them (not all) may have originated in Spain 500 years ago, but that is a long time. You might as well say that the European Jews aren’t actually from Europe, because they came from the Land of Israel 2000 years ago.

          • Zappa Frank

            if they are not originally from Spain (not 500 years ago, but 400-300) shouldn’t they be Mizrahi Jews?

          • FYIADragoon

            There’s actually a heavy undercurrent of racism in their treatment of them. Trying to sugarcoat it like that is a bit ignorant and/or naive. And most of the people in Israel aren’t of Israeli origin. The purpose of those settlements is to take Palestinian land. They aren’t even remotely assembled in a manner that would buffer them against neighboring countries. Neither will they make a difference against rockets, which guess what, FLY through the air, not run on the ground. I have thought about this from their perspective, and that’s why I know that their intentions aren’t as altruistic as you seem to present.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            “Israel is a country that fights for it’s very existence surrounded by countries that would gladly wipe them off the map.” – Maybe in the past, when the ‘nation’ was founded, but right now it is them who is wiping a nation off the map with the help of USA. They have taken land and they are quite clear that settlements (illegal under the UN but any resolution condeming it is blocked by USA) are a land grab. Even the wall, under the pretext of security, is a land grab and that isn’t even taking into account what they are doing to the Palestinians in East Jerusalem.

            I don’t always agree with FYIADragoon but he has made his point quite clear in his replies to the intial post.

          • Zappa Frank

            maybe because Israel wiped out a country and has an apartheid in order to exist. Israel is the only country were racism is not just legal, but also approved by laws and strongly pursuit by government.

          • SAM

            Your MOTHER Is a WHORE.

          • Zappa Frank

            .

          • SAM

            Your MOTHER Is a WHORE.

          • Zappa Frank

            ahah and this is yours? just to remain on topic

            http://it.video.search.yahoo.com/play;_ylt=A2KIo9u7UcJSRG4AdGhGDQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZ2N0cmxpBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMg–?p=kyle+mom&vid=1ec38cd99fabb713a466b5c159d8698c&l=1%3A32&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4712121533073378%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.sina.com.cn%2Fv%2Fb%2F28617095-1251692494.html&tit=Kyle%26%2339%3Bs+Mom+is+a+Stupid+Bitch&c=1&sigr=11ljrjpjn&sigt=11008pmeb&age=0&fr=ush-globalnews&tt=b

      • SonofSpermcube

        North Korea treats all of its population harshly. North Korea is one of the reprehensible state supported by China.

        Israel treats a portion of its population even more harshly. Israel is one of the reprehensible states supported by the United States.

        • death_by_ivory

          Have you ever been to Israel?Im not here to defend them at all,there is a good reason I dont live there anymore but Israel is a nice tourist destination.North Korea isn’t.

          • SonofSpermcube

            Have you been to North Korea? Also, did you read what I wrote in its entirety?

          • Zappa Frank

            South Africa during apartheid was a nice tourist destination too. And North Korea is increasing its appeal.

        • cb4242

          Don’t be an idiot! Israel has nothing to do with this thread! You’re way off topic, troll!

          • SonofSpermcube

            You realize there are multiple people involved in that thread, right? I’m not the one who brought it up.

            But take a look at FYIADragoon’s history; this isn’t the first time he’s posted almost exactly the same thing

          • cb4242

            I know you didn’t. Actually the remarks were for FYIADragon and yeah, I know HE has.

          • FYIADragoon

            I only enjoy trolling ESLs. This is just a thought that I’ve had for a while, since the US never really pushes China about NK. I’m pretty sure this and finances are the reasons why. Continue being butthurt though.

        • moody

          Thanks for making it clear.
          i guess i can agree with the part of the two states being reprehensible.
          but it’s important to see the motivation behind it all.
          when did the North Korean population ever threaten the Kims
          they are too busy catching rodents for food

          • SonofSpermcube

            They’re a constant threat. This is the kind of regime that when unquestioning loyalty falters for a moment, it implodes in an orgy of blood.

  • Zappa Frank

    you’ve been executed.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Is it me or does Jang Song-taek have a Mao Zedong hairstyle?

  • 二奶头发

    This is North Korea’s Game of Thrones..and Kim Jong Un is being Joffrey.

    • hess

      • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

        “but when it’s a floppy wiener it’s not threatening to female audience”

    • Suk_Mi

      Kim jong looks like a turtle on acid.

  • Dr Sun

    The soap opera in N. Korea continues.

    Until the time South Korea decides to end it.

  • cb4242

    Stop watching msnbc and the BBC

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  • http://aileilei.tumblr.com/ El Puma R.

    It’s funny how “americans” and “europeans” fill their mouths with hateful comments about north korea… well, north korea never invaded anyone, they don’t scheme on installing dictatorships overseas, they don’t listen to justin bieber or miley cyrus, no black friday, no fake photoshops everywhere, no war for oil, no capitalism, no fast food chains, girls not going crazy so they can hit tifannys before they get married… so all in all some people’s thoughts were indoctrinated straight from Reuters or AFP, one way. In north Korea, they’re indoctrinated differently, but at least they’re not compelled to buy and WASTE all the useless shit we think we need to buy here in the west.

    Hating North Korea because your country doesn’t approve another who is not as fucked up as you are? Man that’s wrong.

    And I’ve also have a couple of french friends who work there and they say it’s poor but much more fun and quiet than China. And they also said people is way nicer than anyone else.

    It’s been proved that 85% of all people have their opinions made by something they saw on tv or read on a newspaper. So that’s 13th century christian indoctrination all over again.

    Thinking you can go to NK as a Spanish Franciscan trying to change the way they think, just ’cause you see them as inferiors. A bunch of bullshit I must say. You’re not advanced, just technologically dependant. People still suffer for the same shit they suffered thousands of years ago. Stop talking as if you were to save the world.

    I don’t hate anyone simply because…

    the world is a stage

    here’s a documentary I found on youtube made by North koreans. So far it’s the best one I’ve seen in my whole life.

    • Alex Dương

      North Korea invaded South Korea to start the Korean (Civil) War in 1950.

    • Dr Sun

      interesting, not entirely untrue, however why don’t you post a video on how the “Dear Leader” uses propaganda torture mass murder to control the N. Korean people.

    • FYIADragoon

      North Korea is BEST KOREA.

  • Mark_Wallace

    According to North Korean law, if Jang Song-thaek is a traitor, then his family is also guilty of treason by association, so they should all be sent to labour camps.
    I hear it’s a good way of losing excess weight.

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  • Zappa Frank

    I wonder why then in some interviews they do not confirm it. However we are going off topic.

  • SonofSpermcube

    And North Korea doesn’t wage open warfare on its people. I’m not defending North Korea; that’s kind of the point.

    I was defending Dragoon’s comparison…which was only relevant to this discussion as far as it went in the first post.

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