Chinese Civil Servants Demand Higher Salaries, Reactions

Political cartoon showing everyone fighting for the "iron rice bowl" of being a Chinese civil servant.

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From NetEase and Sohu:

People’s Congress Representative Appeals for Higher Salaries for Civil Servants, Claims Private Sector Pays 500-600k

Summary: During the Guangdong Two Meetings, multiple People’s Congress representatives called for increasing the salaries of public servants. One People’s Congress representative said that the wages for Shenzhen government workers hasn’t changed in the past six to seven years, whereas the incomes of employees for private companies has extremely increased, that if he were to work in the same position in a private enterprise, his wages would be four to five times higher. However, because of the better institutionalized benefits after retirement [for government employees], he is unable to “take the plunge” [to switch over to the private sector].

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On one side, the competition for the “iron rice bowl” [guaranteed job and retirement pension] of a civil servant is increasingly fierce; on the other side, the civil servants are constantly complaining that their incomes are low and benefits are poor, with the demand for increasing salaries getting louder. Just how do we explain this paradox?

Low wages, high pressure?

While discussing the work report of this year’s Guangdong province high court, Guangdong Provicial People’s Congress representative and Shenzhen Business Association Executive Vice-President Lin Hui expressed that because his own office is right next to the court, he is relatively familiar with the degree of hardship of the court’s employees. “I get off work relatively late, and sometimes the lights in the courthouse are still on even at 8 or 9pm, which shows how hard their work is.”

“It really isn’t easy for the people in the courthouse, and their wages really aren’t high,” Lin Hui says. Abroad, the wages for judges are comparatively high, so they very actively undertake their duty to society. The wages are basically around 10,000 for judges of mid-level administrative rank.”

Female representative Zhang Lijie of lawyer circles agreed and expressed: “Shenzhen’s ranks of judges have a various serious problem of talent drain. I know a basic-level judge, a deputy justice of the court, who says many female judges have no time to take care of their children when they go home because they are too tired.”

Zhang Lijie says that the number of judges resigning from the Shenzhen Intermediate Court has in recent years been increasing, so many people are resigning and coming out to become lawyers, with the money they are earning being many times that of being a judge.

Guangdong Provincial People’s Congress representative and Shenzhen Municipal Government Investment Project Evaluation Center Senior Engineer Liu Lin said frankly that they should increase wages for civil servants as soon as possible. Liu Lin expressed during an interview with this reporter that it isn’t just court staff, all Shenzhen civil servants have it very difficult, their workload and work stress both being very high.

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Representative dispels doubts about why salaries should be increased

With regards to the proposal to increase salaries for civil servants, Liu Lin responded one by one to the questions this reporter made during an interview with China Business News and other media.

Liu Lin told this paper that the wages for Shenzhen civil servants hasn’t changed in the past six to seven years and with inflation, the pressure in everyone’s life is extremely high.

An even larger reason comes from the comparisons being made with the outside world [private sector]. “Five years, ten years ago, the income of civil servants was considered middle-upper level, but now it is considered middle-lower, because others [private sector compensation] is increasing, prices are increasing, but we are not increasing.

A cartoon of a Chinese civil servant holding the "iron rice bowl" of a civil servant exclaiming that their pay really isn't high.

Man holding “iron rice bowl” of a Chinese civil servant: “Our pay really isn’t high!”

“The increase for private company employees these few years has been extremely large. It turns out that the average wages is probably 800,000-90,000 per year for a position, and with bonuses now, there’s even over 300,000. It is very normal for first-rate engineers in private enterprises to get 500,000-600,000.” Liu Lin says if he were to work in the same position in a private enterprise, his wages would be four to five times higher.

If so, why not just “take the plunge” and [go into the private sector]? In the face of this reporter’s follow-up question, Liu Lin says he is almost 50 years old now and that going to a private company now would mean not being able to enjoy the comparatively better institutionalized retirement benefits after all these years of low wages. “It’d be like not getting [my deserved compensation] in the front and also not getting it in the end [meaning he accepted lower wages for better retirement benefits, and changing jobs now would mean losing those future benefits, making his past sacrifices meaningless].”

This then is exactly the core of the problem. Because of the dual-track pension system, the retirement pay of civil servants and state-owned enterprise employees being much higher than those of private company personnel has continuously been a focal point of public opinion.

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If the wages of civil servants are low, then why are there still so many people fiercely competing to become civil servants? With regards to this, Liu Lin replies that most of the people registering to test to become civil servants is because of the difficulty of finding employment among recent university graduates, that many private companies are unwilling to hire recent graduates without work experience but even recent graduates can test to become civil servants.

“Civil servants is in comparison relatively stable [secure] work. What more, the starting salaries of civil servants may be higher than the starting salaries at private companies, but [salaries] at private companies increase especially fast.”

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Comments from NetEase:

骑马o过海 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

Resolutely oppose “using higher salaries to encourage honesty [discourage corruption]”! Using higher salaries to discourage corruption is open public corruption! It is blatant use of one’s position for personal gain! Countless facts have already proven that higher salaries do not foster honesty [discourage corruption], higher salaries will only help greed/corruption!

骑马o过海 [网易广东省广州市网友]:

Just what exactly have civil servants done? For what reason should civil servants get high salaries? Just because people have raised the prerequisites to become a civil servant causing the testing for civil servants to be harder? May I ask if contributions to society come from testing or from actual action? Moreover, are the wages for modern civil servants actually low? Their wages are higher than the average workers’ wages of private companies, and let’s not even mention how civil servants don’t need to deduct old-age insurance fees, so the wages they report is what they actually get [in pocket]. “Private sector employee incomes average over 300k a year.” Other than a few companies with monopolies, just how many private company employees have such high salaries? “Civil servant wages haven’t changed in the past six to seven years.” Why not say civil servants were getting six to seven years ago far in advance what they should be getting only today? If the compensation for civil servants were poor, the who would still be willing to compete with so many other people in order to become one? Is this something that can be concealed just by saying the job is difficult? Civil servants don’t “take the plunge” [switch to the private sector] only because they won’t be able to get the retirement benefits [of civil servants], but if you already knew this before, why even get started? Moreover, usually, a private company employee can pay [their deductions] all at once, so how come civil servants can’t? This is just an excuse!

网易广东省深圳市网友 [指那拆那]:

Then get lost [quit] because there are a large number of people who are fighting for the job. Oh yeah, let me ask a question, why is it that so many people are competing to become civil servants? Are they all stupid?

bzy8189 [网易山东省东营市网友]: (responding to above)

How do I survive after working for nearly 40 years and now get less than 2000 yuan after retirement, and you people think 10,000 is too little? I’ve never heard people [civil servants] saying anything on behalf of the people on the lowest levels of society, regardless of whether they are in the People’s Congress or the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, because they none of them are representatives of the people.

网易广西南宁市手机网友 [gmdpioneer]:

Are civil servants not also people? Every year the country’s GDP increases by 7.5% and more, yet the wages of civil servants who possess authority over the country’s public finances remain static and unchanging. In 2007 when I gave birth to my daughter, hiring a nanny was 700 yuan. Now it is 2500 yuan and my wages haven’t increased one cent. Am I not a member of the workforce? Those who are arguing noisily that they’ll switch places with me, are you even qualified to switch places with me? I have a Master’s Degree, only started working at 24 years old, but you probably started working at 18, right? Was my education less than yours? Does a market economy not involve inputs and outputs? We should compare groups of people of the same educational level, and see if it is better to be a civil servant or at a private company. The merging of pensions systems [referring to different pension systems for public and private employees] and the extending of the retirement age are extremely disadvantages for low-level civil servants, so much that I’m planning on having my daughter not consider becoming a civil servant in the future. Also, not all civil servants are corrupt, just like not all ordinary common people are good people. Is there no assumption of risk when engaging in corruption and taking bribes? Is it mainstream? Have you not seen that they [the central government] are arresting a provincial level government official a day now? If the ordinary common people aren’t afraid of going to jail, then they too can go steal and rob!

废除双轨制再谈中国梦 [网易广东省广州市网友]: (responding to above)

Above,
First, may I ask what are: civil servants who possess authority over the country’s public finances?
Second, who gave you that authority? If you believe not adopting “using high salaries to discourage corruption” will cause civil servants to engage in corruption, then citizens who cannot get fairness and justice can overthrow you as masters!
Third, there are plenty of university graduates in private companies. Can you do the things they do? I bet the majority of technical staff in private companies can do the things you do, right?
Fourth, let’s go outside of China and look for jobs. Tell me, do you think other people will prefer a civil servant like you or the technical staff of a private company?
Fifth, don’t use having been a graduate student to frighten people. I have several Master’s Degree graduates under me who still need this Bachelor’s Degree graduate to give them directions!

网易北京市网友 网易北京市网友 ip:58.83.*.*:

Stop putting on a show of being miserable. I will only mention the two benefits of civil servants: One, civil servants do not need to pay any medical/health or old-age insurance, and get N times more money after retirement compared to private sector workers. Two, the previous system of providing housing to government employees has simply changed its form but remains among civil servants, now called low-income housing. Just about all civil servants can buy low-income housing with some not just one, and some even resell them for a profit.

网易浙江省杭州市网友 [拾微填海]:


2013 Average Income for Chinese Urban Residents: 24,565 yuan/year, 2013 Average Income for Chinese Rural Residents: 7,917 yuan/year.
Courts: Basic wages around 10,000 yuan, and based on 10,000 yuan: 120,000 yuan/year.
Now let me make a joke: The wages of those working in the courts are too low. Hahaha

拾微填海 [网易浙江省杭州市网友]: (adding to his own comment)

Those who agree this is funny, click ding. Thank you.

阿文很帅 [网易山东省青岛市网友]:

I’m section-level, and only get over a little over 3000 after deductions, which is only enough to maintain a basic life. Seeing all those shit-talkers saying we can quit if we think the money is too little, let me tell you, this is a common demand of the basic-level civil servant. People can switch with them and [the demand] would be the same. Don’t think civil servants ought to have low incomes and ought to receive little. This is not objective. Of course, this has to exclude grey transactions [grey income, unofficial/illegitimate income], as well as those benefits that are obtained through improper methods, because, for basic-level civil servants, first, this is against the law and regulations, and second, is basically not present among the vast majority of them. The increasing of salaries is in response to the level of wages and income of civil servants being low, while rising prices is objectively true. It also isn’t like the planned economy times for civil servants, where people used vouchers to buy goods and not currency, or as if you have to pay 10 kuai to buy something while civil servants only have to pay 5 kuai to buy it. From another perspective, civil servants’ income is just their wages and benefits. Forget about wages, because when it comes to the same level of education and the same local conditions, it is no comparison to private companies. When it comes to benefits, it is just accumulated housing funds, medical, and retirement benefits, but this doesn’t solve all the issues. Just think, don’t we still have to pay money for our children’s education? Just how many square meters can we purchase with our accumulated housing funds? Healthcare too has already been merged into the national medical insurance system, which simply cannot take care of the problem of getting sick and hospital stays. So ultimately, the benefits civil servants get can only provide civil servants part of the most basic of guarantees, and this is determined by the nature of the civil servant’s work and the stability of the civil servant ranks. Therefore, salaries ought to be increased. It’s only about how the system and method for increasing salaries needs can be even more scientific, how it can be combined with the level of economic development of different areas, and how it can be combined with the evaluations and standards of the civil servant’s performance.

网易重庆市江北区网友 [平淡一点开心一点]: (responding to above)

You can resign, but increasing your salary is impossible, so go try your luck in society and you’ll know just how easy it is for you to earn you little more than 3000.

网易江苏省苏州市手机网友 ip:122.193.*.*:

Are wages for civil servants low? Based on what I know, a deputy director’s retirement income is 7,000 to 8,000 and includes hidden benefits during holidays. What major accomplishments that benefit the people have they done? Each and every one of them are standing on the heads of the ordinary common people, enjoying retirement pay that is several times higher than that of ordinary people. Shameless.

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  • Joey

    “So-called education and the results of examinations are the one means of obtaining official notice. Granted that a young scholar gains distinction, he proceeds to seek public employment, and, by bribing the Peking authorities, an official post is hoped for.

    Once obtained, as he cannot live on his salary, perhaps he even pays so much annually for his post, license to squeeze is the result, and the man must be stupid indeed who cannot, when backed up by Government, make himself rich enough to buy a still higher post in a few years.

    With advancement comes increased license and additional facility for self-enrichment, so that the cleverest ‘squeezer’ ultimately can obtain money enough to purchase the highest positions.

    This official thief, with his mind warped by his mode of life, is the ultimate authority in all matters of social, political and criminal life. It is a feudal system, an imperium in imperio, an unjust autocracy, which thrives by its own rottenness. But this system of fattening on the public vitals – the selling of power – is the chief means by which the Manchu dynasty continues to exist.

    With this legalized corruption stamped as the highest ideal of government, who can wonder at the strong undercurrent of dissatisfaction among the people?”

    Sun Yat-sen in 1912. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    • David

      And it was nothing new then. Each imperial court has had problems with the bureaucracy for 2000 years. Most have tried reforming/abolishing them at some point or another and it never works for long. whatever system they replace it with simply takes on the same shape. Same game, different players.

      • Insomnicide

        When there’s a change, there’s always some group unsatisfied by the results. So in an effort to cater to the majority, they have to dumb down the system.

        There’s never an official or leader that managed to push a total reform of the system without severe backlash.

      • lacompacida

        Since this is our historical heritage, we must fight to maintain it.

        • David

          It is the historical heritage of the intellectual elite (normally sons of land owners who could afford to have them educated enough to take the exams). So in the past local land owners who were a little better off than the majority filled the role of local government officials.. If this is the part of society you come from than it is certainly YOUR heritage. However, most people do not, so for them it is not something to be preserved. Even when Mao did his cultural revolution and land was confiscated and redistributed as collectives, the cadres officials he set up took the place of the local land owners doing government business.

          • Dr Sun

            unfortunately David, this dynasty got rid of of the intellectual elite and replaced it with the trailer park elite

          • David

            Your not implying the current crop of local government officials lack the class of those in the past are you?

          • Dr Sun

            you know me David I never imply, I just say it.

        • the ace of books

          I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’ll answer you seriously: There’s no “fight to maintain”, here – what there hasn’t been is a “fight to change”. This tendency to top-down, endemic corruption has recurred often and widely in China’s history, and while the window dressing’s changed, the inside of the house is still set up the same way. When history says it’s okay, why wouldn’t people do it?

        • the ace of books

          I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’ll answer you seriously: There’s no “fight to maintain”, here – what there hasn’t been is a “fight to change”. This tendency to top-down, endemic corruption has recurred often and widely in China’s history, and while the window dressing’s changed, the inside of the house is still set up the same way. When history says it’s okay, why wouldn’t people do it?

    • Ruaraidh

      ‘This King is extremely cruel to the eunuchs of his own palace and often has them beaten to death on the smallest pretext. Thus none of them concentrate their attention on business from outside the palace unless it is the kind of matter that promises to provide a good sum of money. And the court mandarians have learned to do the same thing, which is to demand money from those who come from the provinces on court business, making these provincial mandarins pay them a part of the money they have flayed from the people in the countryside and the cities. So has this city become a true Bablyon of confusion, full of every sort of sin, with no trace of justice or piety in anyone, or any desire on the part of anyone to cleanse himself.’

      Matteo Ricci, speaking of Peking in 1605 CE.

      • David

        And he was a Jesuit Priest, trained in law and government, so I think he makes an excellent witness.

  • Germandude

    that if he were to work in the same position in a private enterprise, his wages would be four to five times higher.

    Well then. He is free to join the free economy, but let me guess, actually working for his money is sth out of his scope and doesn’t give benefits that are shown on his monthly paycheck, but are uncounted because, let’s be honest. Who counts the money in red bags one receives?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      I am sure they count them, otherwise how will they know how much they were given?

  • lacompacida

    This is great example of how these corrupt officials serve the people. After richly supplementing their big paychecks for years, they try to milk the public to enrich themseves when they retire and may loose their ability of having palms greased. The are great members of the Party.

  • linette lee

    So please tell all these civil servants including all those politicians to go work for private. Let the China gov’t start hiring for qualified people.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    I personlly know of a few civil servants in China, some are higher up on the food chain. They told me everyday when they report to work, at most they do about 2 hrs of actual work, the rest is spent “supervising” their underlings, reading news papers, playing cards and mahjong, chit chatting, going to lunch, 2 hours of siesta, doing arrants, going to the gym excercising… etc.

    They get about 2-3 months worth of paid vacation off each year. An annual allowance for food and entertainment of about $120k RMB. And if you know how to kiss ass, there’s no fear of loosing their jobs. No wonder you have 500,000 people fighting over 3 positions.

    Surely beats working them long & stressed hours at private companies.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      you know what i am sayin?

    • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

      What about whoring? That must take up some time?

    • Nessquick Choco

      I am working now at one place, which is run by the army. I do not want be specific too much. anyway – 9am start work – 11am lunch – siesta till 13.30 in winter, till 13.50 in summer. 4.30 leaving to home. this is for the higher ups. those who are under training, so its army training, they do not leave and have evening lessons.

  • Peter Pottinger

    Ah the joys of being part of a government. Some days I think how much easier my life would be if I simply had no morals.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      Self interest always trumps morals.

    • the ace of books

      Is your implication that people who work in government have no morals? Really? Really?

  • BGALLAGHER

    I started work for BC government at 18 years old, after high school. worked for 37 years at a comparatively low wage. Retired at the age of 55 and currently receive a pension of $3000 per month (+/- 16000RMB). Enough to live on in China, but not in Canada…. so I live here in China. Amazed at the low wages for highly educated people in China. I make more than a “judge” or an “airline pilot”??? ludicrous!!

    • Claude

      Well, you could be parked in front of the television like so many Canadians of all ages but you’re in China. Awesome!

      When you’re ready to leave China look to Thailand. Cost vs convenience is unparalleled in my opinion. People live on as little as $600 a month. American trained doctors and the Thai Government loves expats with pensions. Of course there’s Uruguay, Mexico and especially Malta looks very appealing. Malta, how exotic.

      I’m not retired but trust me when I say I think about everyday.

      • RickyBeijing

        I’d say Laos.

        Fuck the world, Fuck people, live in the jungle of the most beautiful country in the world and drive down the mountain once a week/month for supplies.

        I was in Laos for two months and I swear if I could freeze time and live slowly, it’d be there. Fucking heaven

        • YourSupremeCommander

          So why are you not there?

  • that guy

    low salaries…and exorbitant bonuses, kickbacks and “favors”. lets keep shit in proper context here. to say nothing of the fact that there’s a fundamental attitude in China that the higher you advance the less work you should have to do.

    the real servants are public school teachers. they are the ones who should be receiving higher salaries and increased benefits.

  • Nick in Beijing

    If your wish is not to serve the public, then don’t be a public servant.

    Seems easy to me.

    Then again, most of these people are born minus the sense of common decency that would indicate to most people that they are already in a position vastly superior to the average layman.

    And before anyone says anything about public servants needing to pay for their day to day lives also, let’s not forget how willing the average citizen of China is willing to bend over backwards to get even the slightest bit of favor and guanxi with the local officials at any level of the totem pole.

    Shameless, heartless, mindless trash all of them.

  • Probotector

    It seems kickbacks and backhanders aren’t a stable enough income.

  • Cauffiel

    A few years ago, Obama helped increase civil servant pay in the U.S. while private sector wages were going down. So I guess “pay scum of the earth more” is trending all over the world.

    • Eileithyia

      only the low end civil servants get good pay compare to low end US workers. Higher end govn’t job like software engineering, lawyers, managers get 40% less than private.

      • Cauffiel

        1. I don’t believe that.
        2. I hope its true.

  • Cauffiel

    “Are civil servants not also people? ” Civil servants are monsters, you bitch.

    I wish unimaginable hardship on you and your daughter when she comes of age. You, you diseased cunt, are part of the organized crime syndicate called “government.” You’re nothing less than another monstrous gangster. Your Prada bag does not make you a good a person, and your Master’s degree is not the reason your family connections got you where you are.

    May you and your international counterparts starve helplessly in the ditches you legislate others to live in.

    • Cauffiel

      P.S. I really hate government.

    • Cauffiel

      P.S.S. If you want to not seem like such an enormous bitch, don’t use the “i can’t afford a nanny as easily” argument. Idiot.

      • Rick in China

        Is the servant with a servant not also a master?

    • Probotector

      “Your Prada bag does not make you a good a person, and your Master’s degree is not the reason your family connections got you where you are.”

      Yeah, but in all likelihood, she believes it does.

      • Cauffiel

        Ha, yeah…. like me, I’m sure you wish you could respond directly to many of the Chinese netizen comments. This is one I would go for!

      • mr.wiener

        It was pre-ordained by heaven apparently.

        • David

          Wait, if it is ‘pre-ordained by heaven’ does that mean comes with matching shoes?

        • Cauffiel

          They got away with this in Europe for centuries.

    • the ace of books

      Much anger. Wow. Such hate.

      In serious: It’s a little bit ridiculous to hate on “the government”. Society has to be centrally managed, elsewise you can’t call it ‘society’. Societies have always arranged themselves so that someone governs, and someone administrates, and that people work under them, doing the gruntwork of admin. Why? Because at a certain point, populations get too big to manage with small numbers of admin, and you need more admin.

      Hate that, and you may as well just admit that you hate humanity.

      So this hatred of civil servants is illogical. Hate people for doing bad things, by all means. Hate bad people if you must. But don’t spread hate all over an ill-defined group of people just because of their job.

      • Cauffiel

        Come on, ace, the “societies need central organization” argument isn’t germane to anything I said.

        I’m talking about government, the gangsters who run public administration offices as a front for their income confiscation and citizen incarceration rackets.

        • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

          People should not aspire to public office – let alone with the belief that it is in any way comparable to those doing the real jobs.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Good grief! Cauffiel is on the jazz again.

      • Cauffiel

        I was in a rush. Shoulda seen what I really had in mind. :-D

        • mr.wiener

          Hm, more like “Chinese society will only be free when the last chenguan has been lynched with the guts of the last bureaucrat” , yeh?

          • Cauffiel

            I’ll go ahead and approve that since writing my own would get me too wound up to drift off to sleep.

            I’ll probably have nightmares about Lenin and Stalin and Roosevelt returning to power. Maybe I deserve it.

          • mr.wiener

            It was probably thanks to bureaucrats that the Chinese didn’t become more of a world power. They had Chen Jun’s treasure fleet scrapped and even burn any evidence of his voyages.
            Roosevelt returning to power I could live with.

          • Cauffiel

            Yeah, actually, that sounds awful. Bureaucrats acting entirely in their own self-interest, destroying a China that I think everybody here would much prefer to…. an exploratory China, one that participates in the world rather than being victims of it.

            I think we’re going to have to agree to disagree on Roosevelt. The man was a monster.

    • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

      In every country goats should be kept as small as possible. Govt don’t produce output or create value. They simply redistribute the wealth created by the actual gears of the economy – but in a far less efficient and value seeking way than those that actually made the money. Because – it is not theirs – they value it differently. Every public servant is a twat.

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  • Rick in China

    Aren’t they going to just raise their own salaries without making it a big public story? Erm, what’s stopping them, exactly?

  • the ace of books

    Really good comment-and-reply by gmdpioneer and the guangdong person after them, showing two reasonable views on this matter.

    It’s not an easy one to answer, since public’s the knee-jerk reaction is “those damn corrupt officials, always trying to get more money!” It’s an unfortunate reaction based on negativity bias and generalisation, as are most such reactions. Consider:

    + you hear about corruption all the time, but so rarely hear about the people who’re just working day-to-day
    + you hear often about people bragging “I can go in and not work all day and they’ll still pay me!”, but rarely about people just slogging along in an office job.
    + you hear the scandals and the stupid things people do for money, but rarely, if ever, about the 9-5 folks who just get their shit done.

    Sure, there’s cases when the negative is true. But you can’t assume the negative for the whole: think bell curves.

    OTOH, gmdpioneer is biased, I think, in her expectations of life: she’s able to pay for the good stuff, and so she wants the good stuff of life. But! she’s not happy with the fact that the good stuff costs a lot! Well, yes, it’s going to cost, and you can’t get around that except by maybe reining in your spending a little. (A useful trick for saving money!)

    This all said, I don’t think that the salaries of civil servants should be the priority of the Chinese budgets. I think there’s an awful lot of other things that are far more urgent and ubiquitously needed than raises for people living a pretty-comfortable level of lifestyle. So, IMNSHO, this is really kind of a non-issue, and it’s people complaining because they’re people.

  • North-eastern

    Every year when I get my visa renewed, I have to submit a copy of it to the local police station and they give me a stamped ‘registration’ paper. Usually, this work is done by my Chinese staff. However, I was told that the officer requires me to go there personally, which, itself is too ridiculous since there is no need.

    Went to the local police office and was told that they have moved the ‘registration department’ to another place. I called them and was told to come next day since they were ‘busy’. Called them again next day and was told they are out of office and very ‘busy’. Finally, after two days I walk into the room and there are 4 girls, out of which 2 were busy playing ‘fruit ninja’ on their phones, while one was watching a movie on her tablet. The officer in-charge was busy wechatting. I was totally ‘invisible’ to them, as she took my passport from my staff, entered some numbers into her computer, handed her the registration paper and asked her to go back to the local police office to get it stamped.

    Yeah… very hard work they do…..

  • HJZ

    The Governement jobs are call Iron Rice Bowl. Most of the civil servants clock in and out punctually, seldom miss a beat..if you wanna know how the civils work attitude, simple.. go and apply for some permits and see the expressions and attitudes u get from their faces and time taken to get your permits approved will let you know how efficient their services are.
    Latest technology is useless if the person who operates behind it is inefficient. Procrastination is the no 1 attitude in them.
    Try getting things done around their lunch time. 1and half to 2 hours lunch breaks. Everything seems to freeze in time or becomes slow-mo. Perfect hearing becomes deaf. LOL..

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