Chuck Lorre Responds to The Big Bang Theory “Ban” in China

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Green Version of The Big Bang Theory” has been a trending topic on leading Chinese microblog Sina Weibo for the past week. This followed reports of CCTV being in the process of making one, which came soon after reports of the show suddenly being taken off Sohu, the mainland Chinese video streaming site that had exclusive rights to the show in China and where most Chinese fans of the show eagerly awaited new episodes each week.

The following microblog post made it into the Top 10 of the social network when it was posted yesterday and rose higher in the rankings today…

From Sina Weibo:

@谷大白话: The Big Bang Theory producer Chuck Lorre’s response to his show being banned:

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Comments from Sina Weibo:

变成一只五毛了呢:

What is the homeland? It is what you have cursed/criticized so many times yet don’t allow others to curse/criticize. Just like this, what we do is our business, and you should stop blindly talking nonsense. [拜拜]

差太多小姐兒:

I feel like this person has a bigger problem than the government officials of the Heavenly Kingdom.

天德池浴场看门大爷:

Although I’m very speechless about this matter of American TV shows being banned, you Imperialist American screenwriters’ can only be saved by stuffing the hole in your heads with cauliflower.

斩霜剑:

The “rhythm” [mentality, behavior] of someone who makes soap operas wanting to cross the Pacific Ocean to liberate all humanity. Speechless, only [蜡烛]

我就是来看看昵称能不能这么滴长:

Sweat. Although we grumble/complain about the ban towards the government, if this is really written by the screenwriter, I only want to say: You are being way too egotistical, hehe. [拜拜]

酒色的石头:

Why is this statement so low… In the end, The Big Bang Theory is just a soap opera about love that borrows from geek culture. It’s enough that everyone laughs. Just who are you posturing as some sort of cultural liberator for?

胡书宁:

This screenwriter is more disgusting than Chinese officials. He wants to be humorous but it isn’t the least bit funny.

scorp1989:

I don’t understand what kind of mentality is behind everyone who sees foreigners writing like this wanting to upvote, laugh, and forward/reshare [a lot of other Chinese netizen comments on this microblog post expressed embarrassment and shame]. When a show we like watching is banned, complaining about it ourselves can be understood, but how can you be happy when a foreigner ridicules our own country like this?

忘真果wayne:

Just looking at the comments, I can see why it was banned. Eunuchs will always be considerate of their masters [master’s interests]. Motherfuckers! A bunch of lowly people! Fuck your mothers!

三耳为聂:

The show being banned is something our own people think is funny. However, Chuck Lorre making a response to this matter is even more laughable to me, with such comments as being banished to Urumqi. The impression Westerners have of China is always stuck in the 1970s of our country, just like how people in Taiwan say we can’t afford to eat tea eggs, full of discrimination.

Shermokame乱来:

Seeing everyone criticize him reassures me.

siros:

This is the naivete of laowai, often treating the pure profit-seeking behavior of China’s authorities as ideological struggle [mistaking their greed for wanting ideological control]. Here, [the ideology has] became realism long ago, but there they are still worrying about [the Chinese government] exporting revolution…

宅男上班ing:

China’s government responds: We haven’t prohibited it from being broadcast, we just want to be the only ones to broadcast it!

别沉惜:

I don’t love this Party [Communist Party], but that doesn’t mean I don’t love this country. [拜拜] I love this country more than this screenwriter imagines. If the screenwriter has balls, he won’t leave after school.

满心是海春暖花开:

Can’t believe there really are people criticizing the producer!!! I would rather believe you people are wu mao than believe China has so many retards.

pacer30:

Hole is head is too large… crazy [has problems].

Nienna:

Hasn’t even understood the situation clearly before putting on airs and talking big.

专业打杂飘四海:

Some of those stupid cunts in the comments who, upon encountering “the incredulity of allies” [a critical comment or denunciation by Westerners], go all out in criticizing the government as if they would like nothing more than wiping out all their countrymen are precisely classic examples of those they revile as brainwashed.

纪大官人哒:

I don’t care about making fun of politics, but what’s the meaning behind mentioning Urumqi? Truly disgusting. And there are fans who are whitewashing this? Don’t “self-reflect” on behalf of the Chinese people again, go self-reflect on yourself.

天下偷窥二:

The vile action of the State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television [SARFT] is one thing, but there is nothing to praise about this screenwriter’s response either. It just makes me feel that others see us in a rather oversimplified fashion… And I was originally hoping to see a satisfying slap to the face [from Chuck Lorre]… only for it to be using one’s butt as one’s head…

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  • DC

    I guess no one told him pirated streams don’t bring him any residuals..

    • Kai

      Sohu wasn’t a pirated stream.

  • John Wang

    Sofa

  • nqk123

    not sure if the chinese translation sound as sarcastic/mockery as English. can anyone confirm this?

    • Kai

      It’s fairly accurate. You can tell a lot of Chinese netizens picked up on the mockery.

  • xiaode

    very nice statement!

  • Surfeit

    I think it’s a pretty poor comment to make in the wake of things. Summed up nicely with “Just who are you posturing as some sort of cultural liberator for?” However, he is perfectly entitled to say what he wants. The people I really feel sorry for is the Chinese fans of the show; Not getting much love from home or abroad.

    • Kai

      Yeah, he can say what he wants. It’s just that he more or less made himself less sympathetic because what he said demonstrated an interest in attacking and making fun of the Chinese government but no real understanding of what’s happening (which is understandably confusing to everyone except maybe SARFT).

      While he does similar things against other targets in his vanity cards, he had the option of remaining a victim in the eyes of the Chinese but now complicates his victimhood by going on an attack filled with cliches. Of course, there are still tons of Chinese fans who nodded enthusiastically with this public flaming of his, but he made some unnecessary enemies. He has the freedom to do so, but PR 101…

      • wnsk

        Why do I feel like Chuck Lorre cares more for his own vanity than about “remaining a victim in the eyes of the Chinese”?

        • Kai

          Oh, he does. I’m not saying he SHOULD care about remaining a victim in the eyes of the Chinese; he can do whatever he wants. I’m just analyzing from a PR perspective, as the business side of his operation would.

        • Surfeit

          From this episode I imagine he’s actually quite detached from China, Chinese people, and Chinese politics. Just as Kai mentioned.

          • wnsk

            Of course Chuck Lorre doesn’t care what the Chinese think. Chuck Lorre only cares about what Chuck Lorre thinks. He knows that there are a lot of those who read his vanity cards who would buy into his cliches and smile wryly along with him. And that is good PR, to him.

          • Surfeit

            Well I hope he gets the chance to become more learned; China is incredible.

      • Surfeit

        PR 101! Exactly that!

      • HXM

        No real understanding of what’s happening? He’s mocking the govt for banning his show in China, attributing the decision to ideologically motivated censorship. Nobody but SARFT knows the real reason, and they don’t feel any need to explain themselves to the Chinese public or anyone else. Netizens might think this is an oversimplification or a stereotype of how complex China really is, that there might be commercial reasons, etc. But the fact that his comments get translated into Chinese with a bunch of asterisks instead of the full characters for CCP and Urumqi would indicate that his comments aren’t necessarily that far off.

        • Kai

          Yes, “no real understanding” because what he has said doesn’t really reflect what is so far known about the fate of his show in China. All we know is that the show was taken off Sohu “for policy reasons” and that CCTV has told the media that they have plans to air the show, albeit one that may be edited. There is speculation and confusion by many especially Chinese netizens that the take-down is related to either the previously announced policy or just a cover for CCTV to takeover the show from Sohu. People don’t know, except for maybe SARFT, as I mentioned.

          I’m all for being critical of SARFT or the government refusing to be clear on why the show was taken down specifically, especially when other shows weren’t. I’m all for being critical of that reflecting them feeling they don’t have to explain themselves to the public or anyone else. But this doesn’t change my characterization of Chuck Lorre as demonstrating “no real understanding of what’s happening”.

          I don’t think Chinese netizens fail to understand what the asterisks are for, or fail to recognize that there is ideologically-motivated censorship in China. There was like one translated comment that suggested Chuck Lorre has mistaken commercial reasons for ideological censorship, and that’s a fair comment given certain media reports. That netizen gets that Chuck Lorre thinks its ideological censorship but personally thinks it isn’t. The question is: Why do you think the asterisks are relevant at all to the indignation of some of Chinese netizens? I don’t think any of them are denying the existence of ideological censorship in China, right? Their indignation is more for other reasons than how “far off” Chuck Lorre’s comments may be.

          Let me try an example to illustrate. If a black person gets indignant about a white person citing blacks as being a major percentage of the prison inmate population, is it because he thinks the white person’s comment is “far off”? No, it’s something else at play.

    • Rick in China

      Critiquing comedians for making funny statements that, when taken literally, mean something else, is silly and pointless. Do you really think anything above was said in all seriousness? It looks like 100% poking-with-a-stick to me.

      • Surfeit

        I do see it as tongue in cheek humour, but for me that doesn’t depreciate the sobriety of his words. Consequently, jokingly or not, there is an impact to be assessed (if only for my own piece of mind).

    • don mario

      well i think the show has given chinese some love, he even pointed out they are always eating chinese food. off the top of my head i can remember another show where sheldon tried to learn chinese, i can remember my ex finding that especially funny.

    • Teacher in China

      How about the Game of Thrones fans who had about 20 mins cut from the most recent episode…? Of course, I find it hard to sympathize with any of them because TORRENTS.

  • Henry C

    The problem in the translation lies with the phrase “Exactly what we were going for!” In English, it is clear that this is sarcasm, as this is a typical phrase for people in creative industries to describe the kind of flavor they want their creation to have. It’s obvious that this is not really what Chuck Lorre intended with the creation of the Big Bang Theory, so in English the sarcasm is obvious. In Chinese however, it’s translated as “This is exactly what we’re seeking!” The sarcasm is less obvious, not to mention that sarcasm is already very hard to detect when it’s coming from someone from another culture, and even harder to detect for Chinese who are already sensitive as hell about the possibility that Westerners are once again belittling China.

    Chuck Lorre’s mention of Urumuqi is unfortunate, but he would have to be very familiar with Chinese culture, which he isn’t, to understand how sensitive a term that is in China right now. In the translation, for example, the word Urumuqi is obscured with asterisks so that this post won’t be detected by official censors.

    Bottom line, Westerners’ attempts at sarcasm when talking about China always fall flat with a Chinese audience and are bound to be interpreted as another instance of Western arrogance towards China.

    • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

      Chinese people can’t differentiate between earnestness and sarcasm because their entire country is one big giant hypocrisy! They’re living in irony!

      • Dr Sun

        your use of “earnestness and sarcasm” very clearly shows that you absolutely have no understanding of Chinese culture or about how chinese communicate.

        • wingedgenius

          No, he understands pretty clearly what is the *true* situation in China. Contemporary Chinese culture often contradicts itself in more ways than one compared to many other countries. I cannot name what those contradictions are off of the top of my head, but I can certainly say that it is hypocritical for a Chinese commoner to say “I want change!” while at the same time say essentially. “I don’t want to change for that change…” for the sake of understanding a new concept.

      • Cameron

        When Americans engage in their favourite pasttime, namely the We Are The Greatest Nation on Earth Wankathon, is it done in a spirit of Earnestness or Sarcasm?

        • wingedgenius

          It is not arrogance he is expressing. It is more flippant than arrogant. He is not implying that some other country is better than China. He is saying that China is living in a “land of contradictions”.

    • Kai

      I don’t think this is a critical issue here. Plenty of Chinese netizens understood the sarcastic last line. There aren’t that many who literally believe Chuck Lorre literally sought for TBBT to be banned in China. The context is fairly clear in Chinese as it is in English.

      It’s not that his sarcasm as fallen flat nor that the sarcasm has been interpreted as an instance of Western arrogance towards China, it’s that his sarcastic rant here includes what can easily be argued as Western arrogance towards China (or more accurately, contempt for China’s government). There are quite a few people who are taking his skewering of the Chinese government and officials involved as being a criticism of China overall, and that’s their (over-)sensitivity, but I don’t think the translation is at fault here; it’s their sensitivity, their willingness to conflate outside criticism of the government into a criticism of all China (and they can’t even fall back on accusing the critic for being too loose with his words generalizing the Chinese government as “Chinese” and “China”)

      What I think rubs some Chinese netizens the wrong way is less the sarcasm but the cliches and stereotypes he used about communists, effects on “culture”, re-education, etc. It comes across as the typical negative conceptions Westerners seems to only have about China. One comment above explicitly mentions this.

      The Chinese take-out line might raise a few eyebrows with Chinese-Americans but probably doesn’t have any significance with mainlanders.

      But anyway, yeah, I don’t think this is a lost in translation situation.

      • wnsk

        Yes, the last line isn’t the critical issue, but all the same I do feel that it sounds a lot less sarcastic in Mandarin. In English, the sarcasm-certainty-factor is >90%. In Mandarin, for the average Chinese person (with their own biases and cynicism against the West), I’d say the sarcasm-certainty-factor drops to about 50%. We need more data to improve the accuracy of this very scientific analysis, heh.

        • Kai

          I agree with @firebert5:disqus that if you aren’t already familiar with the vanity cards and how Chuck Lorre uses them, that may increase the chance that you’ll approach what he says less charitably, because you’ll be missing the context of the cards being his personal rant platform and the language he often uses on such a platform.

          I think most of the “sounds more sarcastic in English than Mandarin” has more to do with our own linguistic biases and cultural backgrounds than with the actual semantics and language of the translation itself. There’s no difficulty for me when it comes to reading that in a very sarcastic tone. There’s more “sarcasm is harder in written form than spoken form” than I think “sarcasm being lost in Chinese translation” to me. Sometimes the whole “Chinese don’t understand sarcasm” criticism is based more on wanting to believe it to be true than the actual examples objectively warrant. That’s my read anyway.

      • Henry C

        Ok, I agree with you after reading your analysis and reading the Chinese comments more closely. It seems that what’s pissing most Chinese off is the mockery of the Chinese government and the use of trite stereotypes.

        The fact that Chinese conflate the government with China as a whole only when the government is being criticized by outsiders (or separatists) is interesting. It’s like a solidarity reflex, which makes perfect sense, because one can never be sure if an outsiders’ criticism is meant to help one’s country or hurt it/defame it, while an insider’s criticism is clearly not meant to hurt or defame the country as a whole. The same could be said for any kind of social identity, not just national identity. The social psychologist Henri Tajfel found that people link their self-esteem to the standing of their social groups in comparison to other social groups.

        So the sensitivity is understandable, especially given the whole 100 years of humiliation trope, but then again, as an academic I find it annoying that I always have to preface any discussion of Chinese social problems with a long disclaimer about how the West has the same problems, I find many aspects of China very admirable, etc. It’s basically my job to talk about social problems wherever they are, and I find it to be a waste of time to always have to tiptoe on eggshells when I talk about social problems in China. I myself am ethnically half-Chinese, born to a Chinese mother who probably watched the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony over a dozen times on TIVO in a resurgence of ethnic pride, but unfortunately that isn’t enough for most Chinese to trust that I’m not looking down on China when I talk about something like, say, educational inequality. The same goes for talking about issues in the Asian American community.

        Regarding the sensitivity toward any humorous reference to trite stereotypes–that’s a very good point. I didn’t consider that Chinese would even consider references to reeducation through labor and secretive communist party meetings as demeaning to China, especially since both actually continue to exist, but then again, they are trite stereotypes which reflect Westerners’ very limited knowledge of China. Similar to how some Asian Americans would get incensed at any humorous reference to Chinese take-out or laundry (even though both stereotypes of course have some root in truth), because they reflect a very one-dimensional view of Asian Americans. But the difference is that human rights problems do continue to exist in China, so should Westerners always be afraid of advocating for human rights in China out of fear of pissing off the government? Of course, there are much better ways to advocate than others. Humor seems to be taken as mockery. The term “universal human rights” should be totally avoided, but apparently American politicians visiting China haven’t got the memo. This response is longer than I intended, but these same issues of sensitivity over criticism of any aspect of China keep coming up, and deserves detailed discussion. Anyway, thank you Kai for your insightful comments on here. You are doing a great service.

        • Kai

          How much we tip-toe invariably reflects our judgment about our audience and the context in which we hold a conversation. We talk about things differently based on who we are with or who is within earshot. It might be annoying that strangers don’t automatically know the limitations and nuances in our minds when we say what we say, but what can we do? We either choose to be considerate, sensitive, and tactful or not. I think all of us has judged wisely and unwisely before so we’ve all put out foot in our mouths at times. That’s life.

          Heh, I think you’d have to admit there are plenty of holes with the “i’m not looking down on China because I’m half-Chinese” defense. It’s like the “I can’t be racist, I have black friends” defense. In general, people should probably give each other the benefit of the doubt, but frankly, every situation has to be judged for itself. That said, I can empathize with your frustrations.

          But the difference is that human rights problems do continue to exist in China, so should Westerners always be afraid of advocating for human rights in China out of fear of pissing off the government?

          I don’t think this is relevant to Chuck Lorre or any Chinese netizen who was irked by his use of cliche here.

          Edit: Seems like your whole last paragraph goes off on a tangent, which is fine. I just thought at first that you were still talking specifically about Chuck Lorre’s vanity card here.

          Humor seems to be taken as mockery.

          Well, this was mockery as humor, wasn’t it?

          Overall, I think the indignant reactions by some Chinese netizens was totally expected. A lot of us looking in on China like to think of the Chinese as being oversensitive–which, don’t get me wrong, I think there are great examples of just that–but when I look around more, I’m not sure just how much more they as a whole are than anyone else.

          http://www.quora.com/What-do-foreigners-find-most-annoying-about-Americans/answer/Nivethan-Jeyasingam

          There are always people in any group who–perhaps out of that solidarity reflex–tend to react too much to the words of “outsiders”.

        • don mario

          yup.. the truth hurts. its all about face.

          that stuff is true, chinese people know it to be. but if you speak publicly about it it causes chinese people to lose face. so they would prefer if you kindly ignored it and kissed their governments ass instead!
          like most westerners who deal with china do.

          this guy had some balls to speak out, the only possible way chinese would react was a backlash, due to nationalism.

          • Yes!

            Absolutely right. My Chinese gf totally hates it when I point out all the negatives about China CCP and their obnoxious culture, but she’ll say yes I’m right. Chinese just hate to hear it from a foreigner.

          • Dr Sun

            As do many Japanese, Americans, Brits, Aussies, Indians, Iranians, Russians, etc..etc…etc, when it comes from a foreigner, hardly a unique Chinese traite or response.

          • anon101

            i dont know about that, im all for everyone gathering around and saying how bloody stupid the uk is etc etc. americans seem just as relaxed about taking the piss out of their governments and country (do you want cheese with that?).

          • Dr Sun

            you should probably read more then or travel more, I suggest you start by going to moscow, stand on any street corner and shout very loudly that Russia’s Ukraines policy sucks.
            My guess within a few minutes you will experience the first of many blunt trauma injuries, closely followed by the penetrating injuries that would most likely precede to your lifeless dead body being returned to your distraught family after your embassy retrieves your corpse from the street.

          • Kian Mehrabi

            I can only speak for the UK, as I’m British, but I have traveled a lot and lived in different countries and can confidently say that on the whole, most Brits are particularly good at being relaxed about mocking ourselves or laughing along with another culture or person enjoying mocking British stereotypes.

            In my personal experience, we generally seem more comfortable with all that stuff. But it’s true that most cultures aren’t as comfortable with criticism, and this is something we need to learn quickly when abroad.

      • Henry C

        You are right that this is not a perfect example of sarcasm falling flat or being lost in translation, but for an interesting example of that, which was in my mind while I wrote my comment, read the Chinese comments on the youku videos of Ellen DeGeneres’ “Take That China” segments. These segments are clearly meant to make fun of Americans rather than Chinese, but a substantial number of commenters said something like “We’re being made fun of again.”

        • Kai

          Not surprising at all. There are always, ALWAYS people who don’t “get” something, more so when it involves a different language and perhaps a foreign context.

      • Irvin

        I see it more as a insecurity within chinese themselves. If you’re poor and you’re really insecure about it and someone tell you “you’re so poor you can’t afford to take a picture” you’ll probably take offense.

        But if the same is said to a rich dude or someone who don’t care about their wealth, they’ll probably laugh about it and said “good one”.

        • Kai

          I agree. A lot of the time, insecurity is a major factor. A lot of the time, Western arrogance is also a factor. It can be one, the other, neither, or both.

          I don’t think “arrogance” is a good word here. Chuck Lorre’s rant doesn’t strike me as arrogant as much as it is perhaps “contemptuous”. Even before that, it’s more “bemused” or “irked”, even “flippant”. Not hard for people to take such a tone the wrong way if they want to, though.

          Generally, I think this is more “we can talk shit about ourselves but you can’t” than insecurity. Sure, we can say they dislike his cliches because they’re arguably true, but I feel this is more in-group out-group with those expressing the most indignation to his comments. So many other Chinese netizens didn’t react that way, so it’s less a general insecurity thing than it is just how some people are.

          • Irvin

            “we can talk shit about ourselves but you can’t” IS insecurity, the mere fact of having an “in” group is as well.

            The same as peeing in the toilet because we’re insecure about our manhood instead of “you’re a man, the world is you urinal” mentality.

            In conclusion, we should pee as much as we can in public.

          • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

            Holy just blew my mind
            what if
            Chinese kids are the manliest of all men
            wew

          • Irvin

            And now you know why they pee where they pee in HK.

          • Stefan

            Maybe they are?

          • Kai

            I suppose you could say that, but that’d make the criticism of “insecurity” that much less meaningful to apply because it pretty much afflicts most people in the world. I’d rather save it for more hardcore instances so it retains its heft.

            The rest of your comment seems irrelevant to the topic at hand and more of an oblique rant.

          • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

            I agree. I’m from India and Rajesh Kuthrapalli is Indian in big bang theory and he makes lot of back handed jokes on India and we are fine with it.

            If I from a third world country, much poorer and low in education even compared to China can understand what really Chuck lorre was saying…Why can’t Chinese?/

            The Chinese guys need to wake the F up, The world does not revolve around them…Chuck lorre is pissed man….who wouldn’t if they do that to what you create…..

            It seems only thing Chinese get it is if you include any Japanese word in your sentence :)

          • Kai

            First of all, do note that there were a lot of Chinese netizens who understood what Chuck Lorre was saying. There’s a note of that amongst the translated comments and, if you can read Chinese, it’s evident in the source itself.

            Second, the question isn’t whether or not you as an Indian understand what Chuck Lorre is saying; the question is whether there would be Indians who would react similarly indignantly if the show was seemingly banned/censored in India by the government and Chuck Lorre dedicates a vanity card to making fun of the Indian government officials using a variety of cliches and stereotypes.

            In my experience, I think there are a lot of Indians just as susceptible to the whole in-group out-group criticism dynamic as many Chinese are, and as many other nationalities are. There are a few posts about India and Indians on cS, and there’s always a reliable outpouring of Indian indignation. Amongst themselves, they often have the same criticisms made, but they don’t like it when its an outsider making it.

            Personally, I don’t think the Chinese netizens who reacted indignantly to Chuck Lorre fail to understand he’s pissed. They get that he’s ranting about his show seemingly being “deemed inappropriate” in China. Being indignant about how he’s expressing his anger or annoyance or whatever doesn’t necessarily mean these Chinese netizens think the world revolves around them.

      • Dr Sun

        honey tongue

        • Kai

          Yeah, kinda hard keeping all that pollen on my teeth.

          • Dr Sun

            no doubt, but you do it so well. Linette is yours.

    • don mario

      i don’t see it that way. westerners should not have to step on eggshells when talking publicly about a insanely corrupted authoritarian regime! far too many westerners are kissing chinese ass to make some sweet sweet china money. its sickening. refreshing to see this guy speak up! the reaction from the chinese is quite predictable and sad. i doubt they would of understood sarcasm even if it was translated.. for example the person who originally translated it obviously read the english version first. i think they can see it is a joke though, one that they are taking to heart, as a nation of brainwashed nationalists predictably would do!

    • Aaron Wytze

      Chuck Lorre at the very least deserves props for knowing that Urumqi is a city in China. Half of my friends in Canada know nothing of Asian geography.

    • ClausRasmussen

      I think his (English) rant is arrogant and playing on stupid American stereotypes of China. No wonder the Chinese readers react negatively.

      • PeterScriabin

        And how do you think “the Chinese readers [who] react negatively” feel about their government telling them what they can and cannot watch, or at least where they can watch it? Eg.

        When a show we like watching is banned, complaining about it ourselves can be understood, but how can you be happy when a foreigner ridicules our own country like this?

        In other words, they all feel negatively about the government action (without exception), but 1/2 of them don’t like foreigners laughing about it, and 1/2 find all that unimportant relative to the enormity of the censorship.

        To me, Chuck is just pointing to the huge embarrassment that the continuing existence of the Chinese government, and the Chinese “Communist” party, presents to all humans on this earth, inside or outside China, Chinese or otherwise.

        It is irksome to have one’s face rubbed in the dirt of one’s powerlessness. We can all empathize with that feeling of powerlessness.

        • ClausRasmussen

          >> Chuck is just pointing

          No he isn’t “just” pointing, he is playing on stupid stereotypes.

          It is my guess that had he _just_ complained about CCP censorship without spicing it up with references that maybe would have been appropriate in the seventies, then he would have received a very different reaction from the Chinese readers.

          • noodles76

            What stereotypes would those be?

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    Wtf does this guy know about China? China has 8000 years of history! How can the Big Bang Theory even compare to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Water Margin. Fuck!

    • Blue

      Usually it’s 5000. Do you pull out the 8000 when you’re REALLY angry?

    • Blue

      But seriously, I think that’s pretty much his point: what difference can a harmless inconsequential sitcom have on society. That the banning of it is a pretty petty and useless waste of time in the great scheme of things. And if they do take such things so seriously, then they probably will take the entire process of judgment just as seriously.

    • Irvin

      Fuck china, I’m human and my history is much longer than china. My ancestors came from a single cell organism and evolved to a sentience being today, the very foundation of my body, carbon, is made of star dust.

      And you are the same as I am, but you made yourself less by viewing yourself only as a chinese.

      • Dr Sun

        Irvin take a deep breath, roll up a big fat one, throw “Fern gulley” into your dvd player and chill.

    • Dr Sun

      I suggest you listen to or read the History Prof Yi Zhong Tian’s very clear and truthful version on the longitude of “Chinese history” .

    • nicolone

      If you’re Chinese what the fuck do you know about china? you aren’t even allowed to read about half of what happened in China since 1949!

  • Wololoo

    Guess Chinese will never understand sarcasm. I experienced this so often, when telling jokes or sarcastic remarks: “really?”

    • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

      “rearry?”

      • Kai

        I don’t think the R and L mix-up is as big in Chinese as it is in Japanese.

        • hess

          Cantonese speakers do though

          • Irvin

            fuck you la, cantonese have the best english accent ar! diu nei!

          • Surfeit

            广州!!

          • Kai

            Do they? But there are clear R and L sounds in Cantonese…? I dunno, I never noticed, only with Japanese.

          • hess

            The ones I’ve met pronounced ‘hello’ as ‘herrow’ and ‘please’ as ‘prease’

          • Kai

            I’ll have to find a Cantonese person to test this out. I never noticed it before!

        • Jahar

          in korean it’s actually just one sound. doesnt matter if you ask for “ramyun” or “lamyun”, you get the same thing. noodles.

    • Surfeit

      I’ve experienced this both ways though! Some of my Chinese buddies are hard to read, and I can’t follow their sarcasm.

    • noodles76

      It’s insanely difficult to pick up on sarcasm in a foreign language unless somebody is being over the top with it. I can assure you that if you aren’t Chinese….you’re likely often to be found in the same boat that you put them into.

  • Surfeit

    ‘The darkened room’ seems like a lift from Bill Hicks analogy of US government, which I find amusing.

  • Zappa Frank

    i think is simple. Chinese just cannot stand other people that criticize their country or government.. that’s all. If the same things were said by a chinese than would be ok, since he’s an american than not. Common reaction among all countries..

    • don mario

      blind nationalism

    • Jahar

      not in canada, if the issue is legit, at least, not where im from

      • Zappa Frank

        we should not consider ourselves as example. most people here travel, live abroad and so on… we should think about the equivalent of chinese people that comment, for instance on yahoo comments.. just to say, if i read italian yahoo comments are even more narrow minded than those chinese…

        • Jahar

          i often forget, when i’m looking down at the rabble here, that we have rabble back home too.

  • Markus Peg

    Ironic that all the Chinese comments were against the Chinese government about the decision, until a foreigner joins them, then its like “no way he cannot say that about our great nation who the fuck does he think he is…”

    • kkw

      It’s like you can hate your wife but if I spit on her on the street you might get a bit angry. If you have a heart.

      • hess

        Party =/= Country

        • Stefan

          Only in democracies.

    • Irvin

      In a perfect world what is right will remain right even if it was backed by hitler, but people aren’t impartial, what is right and wrong changes like the weather depending on the situation.

      • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

        Rajesh Kutharapali makes lots of Jokes on India and we didn’t complain at all..Now i understand why he chose an Indian as one of the character not a Chinese, korean, filipino, japanese etc….These guys seems to be too sensitive….

        The kind of sarcasm on India in Big bang theory is on the level of western kind of jokes….people in third world countries would be too sensitive to it and yet India haven’t complained at all….

        again, It seems only thing Chinese get is..if you include a Japanese word in your sentence…

        If Chuck lorre in the end has bashed Japan in his vanity card..They would have all agreed

    • Raymond

      It’s okay for brothers to fight but when someone else is picking on your brother, you’d have a problem with it.

      • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

        I’m from India and Rajesh kuthraplli charector makes lots of Jokes on India, even on the religion, governments, poverty everything and we are fine with it……

        I can understand what he really meant, even with bad Chinese translation, because, if you are a matured person, an adult, you take any comment with the context it was said…

        Why the F is so hard for chinese people to understand he is on your side and he is attacking the government…..it seems unless you include Japanese word in your sentence Chinese don’t seem to get it lol

      • bprichard

        This absolutely happens (and has happened to me as well), but it is a really dumb impulse. Problems are problems regardless of who points them out.

  • Free Man

    I think Chuck Lorre’s response is quite funny. I really laughed about the “re-education” part. In my humble opinion this kind of response is much better than complaining directly. If you can’t change things, make fun of them or get depressed. Thats why I always make fun of chinese people, too.

    • kkw

      Well, I don’t think anyone got depressed, and this is exactly what makes usa the prime target for hate anywhere in the world. This attitude is the reason for terrorists killing american diplomats in the middle east.. but hey, what do I know, right? Americans don’t need friends.

      • Free Man

        I don’t know how the USA, middle east terrorist, and my comment are related, but hey, what do I know?

        • kkw

          You are so ignorant, you can’t realize why everyone hate you guys? Help: not because your freedom, buddy. The majority of people hate the US for their arrogance, ignorance and total lack of understanding of other cultures. Which is demonstrated by this classic statement regarding the government ban of bbt.

          • fabulous

            Do you keep a bowl of hate-the-US in the bain marie just so that it’s hot and fresh at all times?

          • Irvin

            Total lack of understanding of other cultures? As opposed to which other country? They got a china town in new york, does china have a european town? can you ever see china having a black president or a president of any other race or culture other than chinese?

          • Dax

            Ignorance and total lack of understanding of other cultures.

            Like how Chinese people think that all Americans eat hamburgers constantly (the way we eat rice is how I’ve heard it more than once), shoot people all the time with the guns that we all own, leave our children outside in the winter (so they won’t be scared of the cold) and all hope to have the lightest possible skin?

            Arrogance like how you feel qualified to describe over 300 million people?

            Take a look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers.

          • Surfeit

            Out of interest, have you been to the US?

          • Free Man

            ROFL, you are so ignorant, you don’t even get I am not a US citizen? I am german. Did something hurt your pride?

            I talked about some dude’s response to a certain government’s action and you start complaining about the US people being ignorant. I did not say one thing about China or the chinese government nor did I blame them for removing TBBT from chinese websites. I only said that the dude chose the best way of handling this matter: taking things not so serious (something you really should learn, too).

            About understanding culture: seems to me you are a serious case of inferiority complex against foreigners (a.k.a. asians sick man syndrome). You just can’t stand anyone complain about your country? Go grow some balls and next time make a joke instead of insulting people or you get depressed, too.

          • Zappa Frank

            while the majority of people do love china? are you sure world’s people love china more than US? than why do they want to immigrate in US so much? even chinese

      • ex-expat

        Exactly! This is also why terrorists don’t kill Chinese.

        I think if you take a look at America’s allies vis-a-vis China’s, you will find some serious flaws in your statement that everybody hates us. As you will with the fact that 400,000 Asians last year alone decided to make America their home.

        • hess

          Isn’t that a 0 too much?

          • ex-expat

            Sorry, what?

          • hess

            “As you will with the fact that 400,000 Asians last year alone decided to make America their home.” I doubt 400,000 Asians moved to the US last year.

          • ex-expat

            No, it’s pretty accurate, it’s actually about 430,000 (though the year I am citing is perhaps 2010). About 1,000,000 immigrants come to the US each year. Recently Asians have surpassed Latinos as the largest ethnic group.

            Google “Asian immigration US surpass Hispanic.” I would post the links myself but can’t from my phone.

          • hess

            You’re right, my misstake. That’s a huge number of immigrants.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

            FYI:

            “The U.S. Census Bureau announced Asians were the nation’s fastest-growing race or ethnic group in 2012. Their population rose by 530,000, or 2.9 percent, in the preceding year, to 18.9 million, according to Census Bureau annual population estimates. More than 60 percent of this growth in the Asian population came from international migration.”

            census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb13-112.html

          • Yes!

            You forgot to mention how many are from PRC, and how many of them are still begging to get in.

    • don mario

      its true sarcastic humiliation is pretty much the most effective way to deal with chinese! losing face is the worst for them it really is.

  • Anna Presman

    On the one hand, taking down the shows was an idiotic decision that clearly shows government bureaucrats have no idea how the modern world operates. On the other hand, the arrogance of the producers response immediately set me against him. You can’t expect people to agree with you, or even listen to you, if you talk about them with such condescending tone. The whole “Look at those primitive commies with their commie overlords” just made me cringe.

    • hess

      He just talked smack about the party, not the people. Did you even read the whole thing or did you just look at all the wumao comments and assumed he talked shit about the people as well?

      • Rick in China

        He didn’t even talk smack about the party, really. I mean, calling a communist a communist is insulting? It reads as extra-jocular to a western audience, and certainly uses sarcasm towards some realities in China to make the point of absurdity in the whole affair, but either way looking at a comedy writers blurb after his show has been basically taken down to be purified by a censorship bureau in a foreign nation deserves some ribbing…I think you’re right about her not reading (or possibly understanding) the statements, as her summary is misleading towards what was said.

    • fabulous

      Was it his nationality, his genitalia, his work or his photo which made you assume that he was arrogant and condescending?
      I can tell you that if I spent the time to write a book and the Chinese government made a big show of banning-then-purifying my book, I’d probably write a similarly tongue-in-cheek paragraph for the people who take the time to read inside the dust jacket.
      And then I would care very little for the response from people who will likely understand neither the paragraph nor the book. Very little indeed.

    • Irvin

      His statement strike me more as a “I don’t really care, I didn’t even know that you cared until now” response.

      • Kai

        Really? I didn’t get that vibe at all, not to mention the fact that saying you don’t care automatically means you do care. I don’t think he cares “a lot”, but he cared enough to dedicate a vanity card to it.

        • Irvin

          I mean he do cared about letting them know that he don’t care but not caring about weather or not china bans his work or not.

          It’s more of an elaborate “whatever” statement.

    • noodles76

      Primitive is your word and not his. What he said, and what you read into it are two very different things.

    • don mario

      why? cus its not true?

      • Anna Presman

        My point was that you can say the truth in a respectful way. Otherwise people will get offended and won’t even try listening to you.

        • don mario

          that is implying opressive authoritarian regimes who cancel and insultingly edit your highly popular tv show should be treated with respect. which is not the case, they should not be treated with respect they should be mocked openly.

          this guy was not mocking the chinese people. he was mocking their government. a government who fully warrant a mocking!

        • noodles76

          I think you missed his point entirely. He wasn’t trying to mend a bridge and he wasn’t concerned one whit if anyone listened to him or not. He said what he said in the best way he knows how…through comedy.

          Also, he did not say anything offensive. He called the gov’t communists….oddly enough that’s what they call themselves. The Urumqi remark was unfortunate due to timing I’ll grant that but if somebody gets butthurt about it then they were looking for something to be butthurt about. The remark about re-education camps ….well…..they still exist.

          I wonder how many people would consider your earlier use of the word primitive to describe both the gov’t and the people of China as offensive since it was not in the source you paraphrased from…..you added it in all by yourself…..

        • dag

          Pompous, authoritarian regimes should be ridiculed and mocked.
          Being made a laughingstock is the what hurts them most.

    • nicolone

      He took the piss out of the government for banning a sitcom which you could put on TV in the afternoon on the grounds of ‘morality’, the decision is dumb or more likely something to do with money, the Chinese people who get offended on behalf of the government are just dumb

  • mr.wiener

    It is Chuck’s decision to write this,but personaly I think he should have taken the high road rather than gone for laughs. I guess it’s because he does comedies.

    • don mario

      the high road? like what? kissing chinas ass like most other famous westerners will do?

      • mr.wiener

        No, saying nothing and letting the censors of the CCP look like the idiots they are.

        • xiaode

          I think he did the right thing… making fun out of this situation is the best someone can do…

          • mr.wiener

            Unfortunately The same Chinese who deplore the SARFT are not seeing the joke in it. Call it it cultural, call it translation, call it easily butthurt , what ever. And now those prize idiots at the censorship department are perceived exactly as they want to be: as the guardians of Chinese culture.
            Being smart is knowing when to make a sarcastic remark and when to shut up. Chuck’s vanity card was not smart.

          • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

            One of the character is Indian. Rajesh and the show makes lots of Jokes on Indians and we are fine with it from accent to religion, to everything…..Now i know why he choose an Indian to make fun off and we are totally fine with it…WE GET IT…

            Can you imagine if the same jokes were made on a Chinese, Korean, Japanese..about their country the way they live, accent….They would have banned it a long time ago and in India its one of the most watched shows….

            It seems people in East Asia…Don’t understand western comedies, sarcasm, …They are too uptight with their own culture etc

          • mr.wiener

            People are at their most uptight with their culture when they fear they are losing it,ie the Chinese.
            With Indian culture it would be “which Indian culture do you mean?” The kaleidoscope of cultures in the subcontinent has collided, blurred, accepted and seeded itself and all who have come into contact with it for milennia and will continue to do so when China and the west are ashes or shadows.

  • Irvin

    Local chinese never grasp the concept of irony.

  • noodles76

    I’d much rather see him respond like this as opposed to being a weak ass limp dick and attempt to self censor the show to appease the Chinese gov’t.

    • don mario

      agree 100%

      he never made an attack on chinese people. he made some funny jibes at its government….an oppressive fucked up mess of a government. chinese (who are not brainwashed nationalists) and westerners ( who don’t have a bias) really have nothing to protest here.

      • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

        Agree…I’m Indian and show makes lots of fun about India, our accent etc…but we are fine with it….god…Why can’t Chinese people GET IT…what he was really trying to say…He is on your side….DUMMMY….

    • Stefan

      You know that most countries have some censorship, so the Chinese government is not alone.

      • 五毛Partay!

        Thats so true, China is a leading innovator in human rights. God bless the heavenly kingdom and the wise CCP for letting us know what to and not to watch. How dare they criticize our pollution. You know other places have pollution too you know! And forced abortions! You know the ancient israelites killed babies thousands of years ago, how dare the West and Japanese devils criticize us for it.

  • Dax

    It never ceases to amaze me how successful the Party has been at getting the people to internalize the idea that criticism of the Chinese government is criticism of China and the Chinese people.

    It’s really rather brilliant on their part. This week there were mainlanders in Hong Kong calling people 汉奸 for opening a museum about the Tiananmen Square massacre. You shoot a bunch of unarmed citizens and your other citizens defend you from people trying to talk about it. Amazing.

    Doesn’t work both ways, though. I once had a student (knowing I’m American) come up to me and, clearly trying to get a rise out of me, say “I don’t like Obama!” I shrugged and said “I don’t either.” I rather enjoyed the look of confusion on his face.

    • Surfeit

      Could have confused him even more by asking, “Why?”

      • Dax

        Haha. Yeah, probably should have done.

        • North-eastern

          That probably won’t have worked. They don’t know “why”.

          • Surfeit

            Hello Dave.

          • Stefan

            In China there’s not why. When I studied Chinese in China and asked questions in class to the teacher, the teachers always responded to me saying “No why! It’s just the way it is!”.

    • don mario

      their national feelings get hurt!!

    • IsurvivedChina

      I have had that same confusion on many faces. They don’t understand!

  • Le chat

    Sheldon: “Sarcasm?”
    Leonard: “Yeah, you got it right this time.”

  • Cameron

    I think it can all be summed up thus: young Chinese really hate their government. But they really really hate critical Westerners. And they REALLY REALLY REALLY hate smirking Americans. I can kind of relate to that last point. If Chinese people want to live in a communist hell hole, well that’s up to them, but at least they are not trying to control the state of the whole fucking world (Wolfowitz doctrine anyone) – unlike the Land of the Free.

    • Irvin

      Somebody’s gotta live in this hell hole, somebody’s gotta try and control the world.

    • Renjick

      “but at least they are not trying to control the state of the whole fucking world ”

      No, just the Asia-Pacific region – as if it’s their birth right.

      • Cameron

        Nah, the whole world. They have stated as much themselves. The upshot of US foreign policy is to do whatever it takes to prevent the rise of another superpower,be it Chona or Arusha or some other country down the line. Eg:
        “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power…
        The U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests. In non-defense areas, we must account sufficiently for the interests of the advanced industrial nations to discourage them from challenging our leadership or seeking to overturn the established political and economic order. We must maintain the mechanism for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.”
        Wolfowitz

    • nicolone

      Many Americans would agree with a Chinese or any other person about how dangerous and arrogant US foreign policy is….

      • Cameron

        Haven’t found that to be the case. As a proportion of the population , Ive found many Americans are as brainwashed as Chinese in their own way, only in the cult of American Exceptionalism.

        • nicolone

          I agree with you, but I was just saying that a lot don’t go along with that
          I’m not American or Chinese, but it does seem that Chinese are more likely to take offence about criticism of their government than Americans, for one thing there are 2 main parties in the US (allegedly….) and a lot of Americans will really hate one of them

    • KamikaziPilot

      Kind of like how domestic abuse is often kept in the family. Often the abused partner will come to the defense of the abuser if an outside party tries to interfere. A lot of people detest outside interference unless things get extremely bad.

  • Kai

    Er, how would you translate it to “keep the sarcasm”? Chuck Lorre set out to make fun of the Chinese government apparatus that resulted in his show apparently being taken down, and I think almost all of the Chinese netizens got that.

    Whether or not they like it is another matter. Just because they might take issue with his sarcastic mockery doesn’t mean they didn’t get it.

  • don mario

    respect to this guy!

    most westerners are just kissing chinas ass cus they want to earn some money from that sweet china 1 billion people market or get some of that sweet cheap labour and all day working hours money. the last thing they want to do is rock the boat!

    keep in mind this guy didn’t mock chinese people, he just took some humorous jabs at the government… a government that happens to be an oppressive authoritarian regime.

    • http://karmaeconomics.blogspot.com/ lavista4u

      Agree..The kind of jokes he makes on India with one of the charecter, the show must have been banned a long time ago in India but its one of the most watched shows here….

      Its not the Chinese alone…Its my personal experience that for some reason..East Asians..Chinese, Korean, Japanese, FIlipinos, Thais etc don’t seem to get western kind of jokes, sarcasms etc…try it and you will understand …but Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs, Africans, South Americans seems to get the western humor..WHY?

      • xiaode

        Filipino do understand sarcasm and that kind of jokes!
        Had a dinner with a group of 12-13 guys from the Philippines and about the same number from China a couple of weeks ago… they recommended to some Chinese.. who insisted that the Philippines couldn´t be a nice country… to just make their next holiday there (as they were themselves in China and could at least compare because they have seen them-self) and see for them-self.

        As one of view westerners in this round I said loud: “yes, just go there and check for yourself… the only thing you shouldn´t do there is taking a bus …”
        All Filipino understood directly and started to laugh.. the Chinese mainly didn´t got it…

        • Kai

          Did they not understand the sarcasm or did they just not get the allusion? If they simply don’t know of or remember the bus incident, that joke would’ve obviously flown over their heads and wouldn’t necessarily mean they don’t get sarcasm.

          • xiaode

            Come on… that topic was big in the news… all the Filipinos (the 2 Brits and the other German on the table) understood it directly…
            But you are right… could be possible that they just didn´t get the allusion.. could also be a language barrier…
            My point was: the Filipino got it and they could laugh about it…

          • Kai

            I think the bus incident was bigger in HK than in mainland China. I’d be more surprised with HKers not knowing or remembering the incident but it was also quite a few years ago. I’d give them the benefit of the doubt before passing judgement on their ability to understand sarcasm with just this instance.

            Filipinos generally have better English skills than Chinese, for pretty obvious historical reasons.

  • Dax

    When a huge part of your “legitimacy” for being in power is “The Party saved China from hostile foreign powers!” It’s in your best interest to make sure that your subjects keep thinking that there are hostile foreign powers out there just waiting for the opportunity to come in and take over.

  • Irvin

    vpn my friend, vpn.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

    Sarcasm, brah.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/VictimOfBoredom Matt

    I’m also annoyed of reading about it, but I wouldn’t want chinaSMACK to stop covering it if it’s still a big topic on the Chinese web. This particular article was a change of development in the story (many previously neutral or perhaps even sympathetic Chinese now turning against the producer for his obnoxious remark and siding with the government), and is thereby a necessary aspect of understanding the whole story as it plays out.

  • Dr Sun

    The two best comments :

    1. 还真有人骂制片人!!!我宁愿相信你们是五毛,我也不愿相信中国的弱智这么多

    2. 评论里某些一遇到“友邦惊诧论”就拼命高潮破口大骂政府恨不得杀光国人的傻逼正是他们自己唾骂的被洗脑的典型

    I think Lorre’s was wrong about a “gaggle of communists ” but I appreciate that the vast majority of ill informed and uneducated folks in the west still think communists run China.

    He would have been better off saying some 奴隶 黑社会 “slave dogs of the gangsters”

  • Renjick

    LOL, all the responses just sound like China’s version of rednecks,

  • Jahar

    Randy is dumb. News at Randy’s mom’s house. Also, sex.

  • Yes!

    Actually, 5000 year history is a fallacy. The Chinese always try to use their way-back-when-story to give themselves some legitimacy or sense of self-importance. It started with Deng XiaoPing who after succeeding Mao, decided to visit Egypt as part of their marxist agenda to get more countries onboard their program. During the meeting with the Egyptian rulers, Deng hoping to educate the Egyptians informed them that his great China has a glorious 2000 year history, to which the Egyptians replied oh our civilisation started on the River Nile valley about 3,000 years ago. Deng in typical Chinese upmanship fashion then corrected himself and claimed well ours is roughly the same as yours, about 4-5000 years. That 5,000-year history story has stuck till the present day.

    • Dax

      I’ve read that story, too but I think it was Jiang Zemin.

      • ClausRasmussen

        “The claim of 5,000 years of history is also relatively recent. Until the late 1990s, the Beijing authorities tended to talk of 3,000 or 4,000 years of Chinese history. But when former president Jiang Zemin went to Egypt, he found a state that could claim even more venerable origins. So Chinese leaders unilaterally awarded their own country an extra thousand years of history in an act of international one-upmanship”

        Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/dazed-and-confucius-nine-common-myths-about-china-8854734.html

  • Washington Bullets

    Man, I don’t even find this show particularly amusing. I get it, pop culture references to Star Wars, Star Trek, occasionally Battlestar Galactica, and some other witty remarks about the physical sciences, all things I enjoy, but I guess I just get the impression that they try to hard within the show to fit the “geek culture” niche and it all falls flat.

    I understand it sucks that SARFT put a clamp down on it, but I mean, they’re probably just protecting the population because this show sucks. Chuck Lorre writes lame shows that have all been squeezed dry of any watchable content and for people to get bent out of shape about it gives this show more credence than it deserves. The whole “blah blah blah, Urumqi Commie Circle Jerk” thing can be expected from someone who gets their news from CNN

    Chinese censorship sucks, but so do Chuck Lorre’s shows.

  • IsurvivedChina

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD9pJzZ1XGI And the song of the article would have to be this one! I know I have posted this link before but it seems more than relevant right now!

  • tomoe723

    Typical foreigner blabbering ignorant nonsense about a culture he has illusory knowledge about. Makes him look like a big idiot like some posters here in chinaSMACK.

    • xiaode

      …he is not saying anything about Chinese culture! At least not in my eyes… but maybe you can help me out here… where is he saying any nonsense about Chinese culture? And what part of Chinese culture is it that caused a ban on this (in my eyes very stupid) TV series in China?

    • noodles76

      Typical weak minded douche hiding behind some vague notion of ‘culture’ whenever they have nothing of actual substance to say and/or no way to defend something.

      • feichangming

        It’s ok, hiding behind culture is a part of Chinese culture. Because, you know, political re-education is part of a 5000 year old glorious tradition.

    • Surfeit

      You need some kind of ointment, or cream…

  • chandlerpatrick

    The issue here is that Chinese get so butt-hurt when something (even remotely) negative is said about their country, government, or people. Unless they say it. They can piss and moan about the government, and censorship all they want, but heaven forbid a laowai does it! I mean, a few days ago they were up in arms, and ready for a revolution, when the government decided to create a healthy version of the show. Now when the creator of the show essentially sides with them, they take it the wrong way!

    • Kai

      It might help to not see the indignant Chinese netizens here as necessarily the same netizens who were up in arms about CCTV making a “green version”.

      • chandlerpatrick

        I will agree that they might not be the same people making these comments, but you can’t deny how butt-hurt Chinese get over any condemnation, out of any mouths, other than their own. It’s like how only black people can say the n-word… “Only I can talk about China in a negative way – and if you’re foreign, don’t you dare agree with me!”

  • Cameron

    I think the backlash was less to do with the criticism in itself, and more to do with the totally unjustified tone of smug superiority running through the short article. China is an easy target for this kind of thing. I wonder he has tackled Americas war mongering, corporate corruption and so on in such a smugly forthright manner.

    • Boris

      I don’t know. Can you find out for us?

  • Paulos

    Context:

    http://www.chucklorre.com/

    These sarcastic vanity cards are a regular feature of Chuck’s shows, i.e., not meant to be taken seriously. People are making way too much of this.

  • FYIADragoon

    Maximum butthurt detected on the Chinese side. Probably by some guys watching a JAV on one half of the screen, and Big Bang Theory on the other half.

  • Kai

    I’m not familiar with the type of people who follow his blog but I’m upvoting you because he’s definitely a bigger name on Weibo.

  • Kedafu

    Song of the Article

    Imperial March from the Empire Strikes Back

    – John Williams

  • noodles76

    Sure, much better to have it removed entirely instead of actually permitting people to have a choice of whether or not to watch it. Fuck choice.

  • Francisco De Vitoria

    country=civilaztion

  • Francisco De Vitoria

    one of the worst tv shows alongside with 抗日片. everything about this show is bad. even the geekest people i know hate it. it’s dumbass humor. the target audeince is literally fucking age between 30-50 dudes dirtbags.

  • stevelaudig

    A question: “What was his intent in choosing the name “The Big Bang”?” He isn’t very concerned about his, sadly, typical contempt for others who don’t share his opinion as to the proper role of censorship. Every nation empowers its government with the authority to draw lines on behavior which. For example, canned laughter [being a lie] could be forbidden without troubling this libertarian at all because an individual’s rights aren’t being impacted here but gang called a corporation seeking to make money. These are not individuals being regulated but gangs called corporations whose sole intent is to extract value from others.

    • noodles76

      What….the…..

  • Wodowsan

    It is ok for the Chinese government to criticize his show and censor it, but it is not alright for him to criticize them criticizing him because he is a non-Chinese?

  • videmus

    He overloaded everyone’s sarcasm detectors

  • Repatriated

    Chinese people simply don’t get western humor. They’d prefer to see Da Shan telling lame jokes at some gov’t dinner that’s on TV.

  • Yes!

    U r probly right.

  • Dr Sun

    No its not a good thing, it most certainly is not unique to china no ones asking for special treatment. Tell you what..as your so “grown up” why not sort your own shit out and change first.
    BTW- which particular grown up country that deserves such “respect” are you from ?

    • Kian Mehrabi

      If we all sit in isolation and “sort our own shit out” we will be ill-equipped to make any progress at all. The worlds diversity is an incredible richness from which we can derive experience and insight for how to better our global civilization.

      Unfortunately often we feel insulted and disrespected by others, maybe rightly so, but how productive is it to react in much the same way?

      Some of the greatest learning experiences of my own involve a situation where I have been at my whits end, and lost my temper with somebody. Who rather than coming down to fight with my on my level, has risen above it and diffused the situation eloquent and respectfully.

      This particular situation I mention happened in China, and is a huge credit to the Chinese people. It was an experience that will stay with me for my whole life.

      I learned something that day. Because someone I made the victim of my temper showed me a wonderful example.

      • Dr Sun

        why does sorting your own shit out = isolationism. Managing your own affairs your own way is what every responsible adult does, what every responsible business, company, corporation and many countries successfully do, it does not imply isolation.

        • Kian Mehrabi

          Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning.

          What I interpreted was that everyone should focus on perfecting their own flaws before offering any help or insight to others, or participating in a constructive discussion.

          As nobody can ever become truly perfect, this logic means nobody would ever work together, or offer any criticism since they can always improve themselves.

          I don’t think that is very effective for progress.

          • Dr Sun

            You are really going have to explain this “perfect logic” if you can you will no doubt became the most famous metaphysical philosopher of all time.

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    Yet another example of mainland inability to separate the government and the country when viewing themselves critically. If they do it themselves, it is composed in ten layers of “i love my country,” if it is a foreigner, he must hate China itself.

  • Kai

    Chuck Lorre’s comments were a number of cliches and stereotypes. They meet the definition. Just because they do doesn’t mean they aren’t also arguably “sad truths”. Frankly, the mere act of attacking censorship as insecurity is a cliche in of itself.

    It’s also less likely that Chuck Lorre was using such characterizations as earnest sincere comments about the Chinese government and more about simply taking the piss out of the Chinese government, using well-worn cliches familiar to Americans.

    I kinda doubt he mentioned Urumqi knowing what happened. Pretty sure the vanity card was written before the Urumqi attack. It was just an unfortunate coincidence. He shouldn’t be accused of intentionally being insensitive.

    Next, the mere mention of Urumqi is hardly the only thing that leads some people to think what he expressed may be “immature”. As I’ve said elsewhere, he can express whatever he wants however he wants. He just needs to accept that people aren’t necessarily going to interpret and receive what he expressed quite the same way he might want them to.

  • Apothis

    Unfortunately everything in Mr. Lorre’s statement is basically true. That doesn’t make it any less offensive to the Chinese, never the less it is still true. It’s a silly comedy for God’s sake.

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