“Hallway Doctor” Controversy: Mianyang Hospital Staff Strike

The most commented articles today on both of the following popular Chinese web portals involves the ongoing “Hallway Doctor” news story. Lan Yuefeng, the female doctor at the center of the controversy, suffered retribution from hospital administration and colleagues for refusing to provide what she considers “excessive treatment” (medically unnecessary treatment) to the hospital’s patients. Her nickname comes from her having lost her office as a result and being forced to sit in the hospital’s hallways while being largely ignored by other doctors and hospital staff.

From Sina & NetEase:

Medical Personnel at Hallway Doctor’s Hospital Go on Strike, Demands That She Be Fired

Sichuan Online – Mianyang Channel (Reporters Liu Chengyu, Zhou Nianci) This morning (19th) at 11am, over 100 medical personnel from “Hallway Doctor” Lan Yuefeng’s Mianyang City People’s Hospital walked onto the streets in strike, with over 500 people at the scene including onlookers, and traffic on Jiannan Road being obstructed.

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As it is understood by these reporters from multiple sources, the reason medical personnel are striking is because they are unsatisfied with how the Lan Yuefeng incident was handled. Additional, on February 8th of this year, Mianyang health authorities had decided to strip the “Mianyang City People’s Hospital” name/brand [from the hospital], replacing it with “Fucheng District People’s Hospital”. The medical personnel on strike on the scene demanded that the authorities and the People’s Hospital dismiss/fire Lan Yuefeng and revoke the decision to change [the hospital’s] name.

At present, the medical personnel participating in the strike have been persuaded by police to move to the hospital’s outpatient hall, while hospital management and relevant Fucheng district government leaders are on the scene conducting talks. The various hospital departments all have doctors on duty, with no one in the inpatient department and emergency room absent from their posts. One hospital administrator engaged in talks said to these reporters, “we would never abandon the treatment of patients.”

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At 11:30am, Mianyang city government’s Politics and Law Party Secretary Chen Xingchun arrived on the scene to engage in talks. In response to the medical personnel’s strike demands, he represented the municipal committee’s position: The hospital will keep the “Mianyang City People’s Hospital” name; the Fucheng district health department will conduct an investigation into the Lan Yuefeng incident (the relevant impact the incident has had upon the Mianyang City People’s Hospital); government authorities will strongly support the hospital being promoted to 3B status; they hope the medical personnel will use legal channels to satisfy their demands.

At 12:40pm, Mianyang city Deputy Mayor Jing Dazhong, the municipal health department, and the Fucheng district principal government leader met with the striking medical personnel in the 13th floor meeting room of the hospital’s outpatient department, listened attentively to their demands, and worked to explain and placate. Positions for the hospital’s various departments all had personnel manning them, with overall order returned to normal.

(Original headline: Portion of Medical Personnel at “Hospital Doctor” Lan Yuefeng’s Mianyang City People’s Hospital Go on Strike)

Comments from Sina:

八旗卍子弟[吉林白城]:

One person persevering in righteousness instead stirs up trouble for the hospital’s interests, and now that black-hearted [unscrupulous] money cannot be made, a strike is instigated. This absolutely must be deeply investigated.

十等公民1221[辽宁阜新]:

Look at what this hospital has changed; it has changed a bunch of doctors into a bunch of beasts/animals.

阿拉雷哥[北京]:

A person in the industry with a conscience being ostracized by a group of doctors in that industry without any conscience. I strongly demand that this hospital be shut down, and strip this group of people of their qualifications to practice in the industry.

收官网[上海]:

Support doctors who disregard their own personal gains and losses and instead concentrate on serving their patients.

tweeleaks二世[广东广州]:

Are these people hopelessly out of their minds [crazy, unreasonable]? Are these beasts fit to be doctors and nurses?

Comments from NetEase:

网易广东省东莞市手机网友 ip:14.156.*.*:

A doctor with a conscience is asked to be dismissed/fired, so those left over should be the beasts/animals. With that kind of medical ethics, how are people supposed to be at ease/have confidence in them? The culprit behind them must be ferreted out!

网易浙江省杭州市手机网友 ip:211.140.*.*:

Thoroughly corrupt. When the benefits [profiting] are shared and you don’t partake, then you can’t survive. This is why the corruption in healthcare is institutional and not just that of certain individuals. When you are amongst filth but don’t want to be sullied, this is the result, with the filth revolting.

网易天津市手机网友 ip:117.10.*.*:

Hehe, [she’s] delaying them in making money?

叫闻哥好了 [网易广东省手机网友]:

This hospital is rotten from head to toe.

网易云南省昆明市手机网友 ip:221.3.*.*:

Have them all shot/executed.

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  • Nick in Beijing

    Not surprised.

  • The FRED FONG

    Confucius say….try to find a honest and reputable hospital in China…you must be patient

    • North-eastern

      Confucius say….. When in China, don’t get sick.

    • funky_man

      that is gold

  • Wodowsan

    My first girlfriend in China was a nurse. She explained to me that the staff makes most of their salary from large bonuses based on how much their wards make. That money is then divided by the staff. Head Nurses and directors of course taking larger percentages. She explained to me though that the managers did very little actual work, they would just dictate orders to those under them as they sat and gossiped with each other. She found the working nurses and younger doctors heavily understaffed and over worked. They will ask that more nurses to be hired, but they were always refused. Those above did not want to hire more medical staff because then they would be forced to divide their bonuses among more people.

    I had a medical student tell me the problem in China’s hospitals is that there are too many people in China. I responded that was not a problem. With more people you can have more doctors, more nurses, more teachers. Percentages is the problem not the number of people. If you have a country with a small population, but only one doctor to every thousand people you will have problems. On the other hand if you have a nation with a very large population, but have 100 doctors per 1000 people, service will be much better will be much better in the nation with the large population than the nation with the smaller. I explained to her that at China’s having a large population is often used as an excuse for a lack of better standards in China.

    The fact is those in power do not want to solve the problems. Doing so would mean spending more money to educate and hire more medical staff. Which would mean less money in their off-shore accounts. That is the real reason you have
    outrageously large classrooms in medical universities, and mobs in the hospitals pushing and shoving for medical services.

    Care in a Chinese hospital feels more like an assembly line out of control than patient centered healthcare system. Unless of course you have the money and power for “VIP” medical services, They get a private room and a single nurse to attend solely to them (my ex-nurse-girlfriend informed me of this.) Not being a VIP, many a time when I was being examined by a doctor in a Chinese hospital, other patients would barge into the examination room, while I was half undressed, trying to get the doctor’s attention. I found Chinese medical care wanting greatly.

    • ScottLoar

      Not wanting to entirely disagree I find that mainland Chinese doctors have much greater clinical experience than those in the US (a US practicioner will see a dozen or two dozen patients a day? Chinese doctors see hundreds), are less likely to prescribe unnecessary or repetitive treatments because they have no fear of lawsuits, move the patients through the system more quickly (in the US we can wait for hours for the nurse to remove stitches the doctor wants removed – he won’t do so himself but tells us “wait for the nurse to do it”), and in general give a high standard of analysis and treatment. That has been my own experience. I came in, was examined and told it was not malignant, had a mole removed, paid the bill and then picked up the prescribed and simple antibiotics. The actual examination by the doctor and treatment took all of 7-8 minutes, paying the bill and picking up the medicine perhaps another 20 minutes. The longest wait, about 1/2 hour was waiting for my number to be called. This was at Shanghai’s Renai Hospital which on any morning is crowded with old hypochondriacs.

      Chinese have no respect for privacy nor shame in ogling others. Those patients barging into the examination room while you are half undressed are just being their own obnoxious, pushy selves being the busybodies they generally are, not fighting for attention because if you noticed each patient has a number and is seen in sequence. For Americans a Chinese hospital is a riot of people and confusion, but look how many people move through that hospital daily, and the riot and confusion are mostly the consequence of the Chinese in public places.

      • RickyBeijing

        I’ve been in my share of Chinese hospitals and I can tell you that you had one experience in one hospital in the most populated city in the country.

        In any more rural province this is not the case. The doctors paid for their degrees and didn’t do any study, and the reason everyone moves through so fast is because they just give everyone a saline IV and charge 60RMB for it.

        That’s not medicine, that’s sales.

        My girlfriend had a cough that persisted so she went to the doctor, he gave er antibiotics, she took them, and after three days she was in screaming pain. We went back to the doctor and his response was first ‘you’re on your period’. When we said she couldn’t possibly be, he said ‘then it’s just gas’. When we checked out the antibiotics they were insane level medication that were completely unnecessary.

        Just last week a friend of mine went to the doctor for a skin problem and the doctor prescribed fucking Camel ointment. As in….for Camels. The doctor told my friend it was expensive imported medicine, but he couldn’t read English so he hadn’t a clue.

        • ScottLoar

          And I can only reply that there are exceptions to every generalization which should call into question the very generalization; that Chinese doctors do indeed have a wealth of clinical experience; that Shanghai Renai Hospital has seats to give more than 120 IV’s at a time because Chinese insist on medications and so the practice of saline placebos (Chinese in general are hypochondriacs; that’s cultural behaviour and I see it among Chinese everywhere); and that confusing “carmol” with “camel” and similar is not unique to anyone dealing in a foreign language. I did not post to excuse the mainland Chinese medical system; I did post to show that I have no knives to sharpen and outline some of the strengths I see compared to the US. I must make an appointment weeks in advance in the US, then most likely be further passed to a specialist or at least undergo a battery of tests before the US doctor dares act. That’s not my experience in China, and the doctors I experienced were commonsensical, sure and quick.

          • RickyBeijing

            There are strengths, I’ll agree completely. But they’re not easy to find when it comes to really needing help. Strengths such as quickly dealing with patients can be beneficial whn you have a simple problem, but I don’t think 7-8 minutes with a doctor is enough if it could be serious. On top of that having cheaper healthcare doesn’t really make up for it either, and on top of THAT, having medicine for camels in a doctor’s office at all, then prescribing them to a patient is not a small mistake that can be overlooked.

            Though, to counter my own argument, I have recently (luckily) found an amazing hospital here in Beijing, which is close to my home. It’s easily better than any European hospital I’ve been in and my US girlfriend says it’s better than any US hospital she’s been to….. but…. it’s filled with foreign (white) doctors, and it’s located in the Embassy housing area.

            I’ll agree that you can have decent healthcare in China, perhaps even the best, and it’s cheaper than most places, but you have to know where to go, and a Chinese doctor, form our own, very personal experience will not cut the mustard.

          • ScottLoar

            You’ll find no argument from me.

            What I thought might be a malignancy was exactly what the doctor in his examination took it to be, but I fear that if in the US I’d get a battery of tests, maybe even a biopsy, and a long wait before getting a simple removal. 7 minutes was well spent for me, just as my friend brought his son to the Chinese doctor about a discolored hardening on the baby’s cheek. The doctor looked, gently felt, then pronounced it as a simple ganglion that would in short time go away. And it did, making my friend a cautious believer as well.

            That’s the result of years and years of practical clinical experience.

          • moop

            which hospital?

          • RickyBeijing

            Oasis hospital near Lidu, around the 798 art district

          • miomeinmio

            And that’s not my experience in the US. I get in to see a doctor within a week of my desired time, if not sooner. I’ve never had an unecessary test. You know what I have had? A $50,000 bill for a broken ankle. Thank the Lord above I had insurance.

            The greatest failure of the US medical system is not experience, or unecessary tests, or beurocracy of the nurse will do this not me. It’s the economics of health delivery, which are stacked against both patient and doctor. That’s my experience. And actually, it looks like it’s the same problem here in China, with less regulatory teeth to reign in the craziness on both ends of the spectrum.

          • moop

            That’s what happens when customers aren’t the main ones paying the bills. read about how cheap doctor’s visits are to the practices that have stopped taking insurance and medicare/aid and only take cash. loads cheaper.

            just like college education, the big corporations and the govt are the big spenders, not individuals. its easy to keep raising costs when the buyers arent individuals but govt programs and huge insurance corporations (or loan corporations in the case of education)

          • ScottLoar

            Agreed. This is not about public morality, or the goodness of one’s doctors and nurses most of whom are goodly persons regardless of nationality or ethnicity, but that in China these people are grossly underpaid and overworked, and in the US high medical costs are fired up by government programs and insurance corporations who pay the bills for many. Just doing the paperwork to collect from insurance companies fully occupies at least one full-time staff member under a single doctor’s employ in the US, or so I was told by a Chinese doctor in the US born in Taiwan with a practice in Chicago’s new Chinatown near Morse Avenue and heavily patronized by whites as well.

            I would not be a doctor because their private life is zero (neither could I pass the chemistry exams needed), nor a lawyer because they are necessarily amoral. I wanted to sell thong bikinis in Brazil but life took me upon another path…

          • moop

            my mother owns a doctor’s billing company. yeah, lots and lots of paperwork

          • ScottLoar

            And my son-in-law works for a company that designs secure software systems changed every two weeks that protect the patient and doctor’s confidentiality. He does something like quality control of the interface to ensure those typing in the date can’t foul up. Or, I think that’s what he does, as my generation still relies on a no. 2 pencil and yellow legal pad for serious matters.

          • ScottLoar

            In China, or Penang (80% of all persons traveling to Malaysia for medical treatment come to Penang), I get to see a doctor within half a day of my desired time if not sooner. I’ve never had an unnecessary test because the doctors do not fear malpractice suits and are very sensitive to patient complaints about unnecessary charges. You know what I have had in Penang? Corrective surgery to open up both ear canals under general anaesthetic including recovery room charges for about US$500.00. I can’t imagine what that would be like in the US, but this charge was less than the deductible on my US insurance.

            As Americans we like to comfort ourselves with the ruse of high quality medical care. I don’t buy it; if I’m in need I have it done overseas, everything from a general check-up to teeth cleaning. Go to the emergency room of a US hospital and look at what has become of medical care in the US, or look to your bill for US$50K for a broken ankle.

          • nickhz

            i think it’s funny that everyone is comparing the US to china as far as health care…. the US has a terrible health care system… what;s the point in comparing them… and i repeat “the US ” not america… it is not a country, in some places in “america ” the health care system is fantastic…leaps and bounds above china and ‘murica

          • ScottLoar

            At a bar in Shanghai – maybe O’Malley’s? – I had just sat down to talk with a good friend (a well-known journalist), and at the table next to ours were some English guys cleaned up from a game of rugby. One heard our accents and wandered over to demand, “What is America?!” I said it was a people, a nation…

            “America is a continent! Not a country!”, then sauntered back to his mates with the comment “Bloody cheek! They think America is a country!” We weren’t looking for a fight, shrugged, and let it pass.

            America. It is synonymous with the US, the USA, the red-white-and-blue, Bruce Springsteen et.al. as 3 millions illegal immigrants yearly well understand. Americans, yes the peoples of that country officially known as The United States of America, did not co-opt the pronoun America for their exclusive use; the usage of many generations outside the country and well before its independence from the UK had already identified it, and after independence America, Americans and the USA become synonymous in common usage.

            Denying America is a country does seem to fly in the face of common usage and almost universal understanding doesn’t it? Well, doesn’t it?

          • nickhz

            universal understanding… its an ignorant understanding, as proven by the fact that a group of british people disagree with you… like most people from the americas would…. its a mentality that people from the Us “seem” to have… in my experience.. like saying that canada is their little brother country… but yes in cina, they call it america, it doesnt make it correct

          • ScottLoar

            Nickhz, no one calls Canada (a name from the Iroquois Indians) America’s “little brother country” except perhaps a few flannel-shirted Canadians who would take offense at even Russia if it still skirted their borders.

            Why argue about language usage? Even Oxford dons admit language is a human construct that evolves with the times, so that words having one meaning, as did “awful” in Tudor times to mean that which strikes one with awe, have now come to mean the exact opposite. Again, Americans did not co-opt the pronoun America for exclusive use, and if you find fault you will be as a single grain against a sandstorm of common understanding. To deny America and Americans as synonymous with the US, the USA, et. al is… say, aren’t there more serious bitches to launch against the USA (aka America) from the northern neighbor?

            North Americans includes those peoples of Canada, the US and Mexico, but the word America and Americans is universally understood to mean the US.

          • nickhz

            i dont have any “bitches” to throw at the US. or it’s people (other than the insane medical system) i really enjoy the states… but now you are denying that people from the us say little brother about canada? i do a lot of business there. with a lot of people there…. and travelled there, often, and often that is exactly what they say… all im saying is that it is not recognized by most of us americans as being from the US… you can call it beautiful treeland for all i care, but you would still be wrong… good thing we are all entitled to our own opinions. have a good day sir

          • ScottLoar

            No, I have never heard Americans in any situation or read by an American hand in any sense Canada referred to as America’s “little brother”. Beautiful treeland? Again, a complete mystery to me. Canada’s popular recognition in the American mind most likely comes from the series Anne of Green Gables and other tv shows, and nature programs which represent Canada as the wild, unspoiled wilderness that Americans liken to their past country. Well, Tim Horton’s sells a lot of cinnamon pastries in the US, Americans understand that occasionally Canada is riven with “No!” and “Oui!” voting, and that Canadians are pissed about the movement or non-movement of oil through pipelines (I think I got that right), but with terrorism in the Middle East, the constant Israeli-Palestinian problem, China and everything that goes with it, and the daily pronouncements of overseas leaders left, right, far and near, I admit that Canada is not high in the American consciousness of concerns. American think Canada an ally, just as they do Australia and the UK, and I know the intelligence agencies and militaries share that sentiment, but I don’t think Americans look down on Canadians (unless they’re in Florida: a bumper sticker wrote “Send 10,000 New Yorkers Back North with a Canadian Under Each Arm”).

            Still, if you’re looking for offense you’ll probably find it somewhere, somehow. Me? My family has been in that country popularly known as America since 1638, we style ourselves American, know ourselves as Americans, and are Americans contrary to those who assume to be our betters.

          • nickhz

            wow

          • ScottLoar

            Now the final test: Yes, I do know some Canadians; yes, I do work with a few Canadians: yes, I’ve been to Canada many times (Toronto, Quebec, Montreal and even Lake Louise where I heard a young Canadian boy ask of his mother, ”
            America also has the Rocky Mountains?”, with Colorado having the greatest number of 14K footers).

          • ex-expat

            I also have never thought or spoken of Canadians in that way.

          • Who in the hell calls Canada “little brother country”? I’ve never heard of that. Get your panties untwisted.

          • Rick in China

            As a Canadian – I’ve heard US referred to as “America”, “the states”, “US”, or any number of break downs from the full title. “America” is fully acceptable as a term to describe USA. Disagreement seems to me as valid as pointing out spelling mistakes in colloquial language…where else would refer to themselves as being from ‘murrica.

            If it’s not “America”, why is it perfectly well and good to call them “Americans”, what would you prefer, “United States of Americans” ?

          • ScottLoar

            Nothing is more laughable than those calling Americans “Yankees” or “Yanks”. That’s not an epithet, that’s a source of pride to be called “Yankee”, unless you style yourself as a “Rebel” from the Deep South.

            My family (or most of ’em) have been Yankees for hundreds of years.

          • Wodowsan

            Yankee is originally a derogatory term.
            It was used by the British soldiers during the American Revolution. It was making fun of how the native Americans pronounced English in French. Americans though did adopt it with pride. That they were Yankees not English. Although it was again used in a derogator fashion by the confederates during the American Civil War. In the 20th century it was again used as an insult by Latin Americans “Yankee Go Home” was a common phrase during the Cold War and to my understanding still used in parts of the world as an insult.

            During World War II the British used Yanks as an insult and a nick name for Americans.

            “What’s the problem with Yanks?
            They are overpaid.
            Over sexed.
            and over here.”

            This was of course before Operation Overlord (D-Day,
            Normandy Invasion) when the Americans were flooding into England preparing for the invasion of Fortress Europe.

            I happen to be a New Yorker, where the N.Y. Yankees are one of our baseball teams, and I am now happy to think of myself a “Connecticut Yankee.” My new adopted home. A term endeared by Mark Twain in his book “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”

            Malcolm X had said the best way to defuse those that wish
            to harm us with words is to adopt their insults as a badge of honor. He would say if someone calls you a nigger reply “Yes I am, and proud of it”

            Words can only hurt us if we allow them to.

            So in the spirit of Malcolm X – I am a Yankee and proud of it.

          • Surfeit

            Did you really just put Yankee and nigger in the same league? They’re not even the same sport. They’re from different fucking planets, bra! Plus, your history of the word Yankee is theory. Not like the ‘theory of gravity’ theory, but the ‘we don’t know and have several ways to explain it’ kind of theory.

          • Wodowsan

            I am quoting Malcolm X, bro.

            And yes I am agreeing with Malcolm X that any derogatory
            word (Yankee was originally derogatory) can be defused if one chooses to embraces it, instead of being upset by it. Black Americans already use the word nigger among themselves often not in a derogatory fashion. I had never heard the word used more often, and daily, until I taught in an inner city high school in America.

            Words do have meaning by their users, but they also can
            have meaning by the listeners. One can choose to be offend by a word, thereby giving a weapon to one’s enemies, or one can choose not be offended by a word and thereby disarming one’s enemies. That was the point Malcolm X was making. Disarm your enemies. Do not arm them.

            Words can only offend you if you allow them to offend you. Using derogatory words to hurt others says much more about those that use the words than it does about those the words are being used against.

          • nickhz

            im not arguing that it is called that… i know it is… but i diagree with it… yes i understand that they are called americans… but when i am abroad i do not like the idea that the Us is called america, it is too general and we as canadians get lumped in with them, and this whole thing started by discussing the health care system and by saying “the american health system” to me that includes canada, and you know that we have a much different and in my opinion , better health care system… im not going to change peoples ideas of what to call the country, but in my opinion i think it is too general… at home we say “the states” and i thinkk that is more acurate… and if i was from te states i would say that too.. because i wouldnt want to be lumped in with the entire americas… look, we all have our little things that bother us, this is one of mine… i have always gotten the little brother thing when going to the states for buisness or pleasure… i like to keep my country seperate from others… not out of hate. but out of simple pride…. sorry to offend you scott… that wasnt my intention… but dont deny the fact that we are constantly looked at, by americans, as the little brother.. even if you dont see it that way yourself…. enjoy your evening fellas

          • miomeinmio

            Wait, so as a person born on the North American continent I don’t have the right to call myself an American? Everybody else can, but not me? So by telling me I can’t use it you’re actively co-opting it from me? Crawl back under your rock, troll.

          • miomeinmio

            To be clear, and I wasn’t before: I in no way conflate price with quality, and I’m fully aware that when I fly down to Hong Kong next week I’m going to get perfectly good medical care for a fraction of the price. The fact that I was charged $50K for my ankle is highway robbery. That being said, I also feel I got excellent care. Thank God, or I’d be a bit more jacked up about the amount I had to pay…

            The point of my post, and rereading it I left out the most important thing, was that I don’t agree with your assessment about the weaknesses of US health care and what you consider strengths of the Chinese one. At all. I think we have some really excellent doctors in the states. I also feel like they’re slaves to the insurance companies and the medical device manufacturers as much as gatekeepers to their patients. I think if we want to reign in the American system we need to revamp pricing and billing practices. In fact, I think it’s much of the same problem here in China.

            In the states, we have too many people becoming specialists and not enough GPs, because that’s where the money is. Whereas in China, I’d surmise (not state, I don’t know) that there’s a dearth of people going into the medical field because it’s taxing and stressful and unrewarding. If doctors here got paid even a little bit more, there’d be more people in the profession, a higher quality of care (as there would be less need to sell unnecessary treatments), and less graft.

        • moop

          my brother in law did pay for his medical degree, he kept failing the tests so eventually his parents got tired of it and paid money. problem solved

      • jsussixfer

        I have found all of these comments incredibly interesting, but for Americans (by Americans, I refer to me, myself, and I), service can be equally dicey. For every hero, there is a foil. Just had a battery of tests done in a U.S. hospital ranging from clean catch samples to x-rays about a complaint with a rib. I found that the final prognosis was attributing it to a previous slip. All I wanted checked was whether I had gallstones or needed an appendectomy. Thankfully, the doctor who had ordered the barrage of tests got that far without attributable cause. She cancelled the completely irrelevant ultrasound that was scheduled. Anyway, had the USA not upgraded its unexploited market for pure profit in the realm of medicine (still existing in other permutations), for an average person (being a person not wealthy enough to evade the necessity for income), being uninsured would easily bankrupt anyone. In that previous example, those tests would have cost almost 500-1,000 USD, depending on the local market markup. The result: that sum could have easily bankrupt the average person (as mentioned) without even giving them the sanity of diagnosis. And, it was ultimately deemed irrelevant, in my own case. U.S. hospitals… man, don’t get me started. There is no dichotomy between Chinese and American healthcare. There are simply those that manipulate their respective industry to suit their greed and laziness :/. On a positive note, there will always be skilled or, at least, empathetic professionals.

      • Dick Leigh

        Why on earth were you given antibiotics? @_@

        • ScottLoar

          I don’t recognize the emoticon so I’ll take the question seriously: To prevent secondary infection. I had multiple and very bad problems with both ears.

    • Stefan Xu

      Actually the government decided to plan and built everything for a population of around 700 million. The current huge population is just a temporary thing and a mistake of Mao in the eyes of the government. That’s why they used the one child policy. 700 million was China’s population in 1960s/70s. This is how they think; why built everything with a 1.4 million pop? Just a waste of money. With the one child policy China’s population will go back to 700 million anyways in 2100.

      • hess

        So, theyre planning 86 years a head? With buildings that look like they’ll crumble after 10 years?

    • markus peg

      Good, informative comment.
      I would like to add my own experience. i was once getting a blood test with on a day that blood tests were free to old people [without knowing at the time] an old man told my friend off for helping a foreign devil and then i was pushed around while having my blood taken as the old people wanted their turn. It made me feel dizzy and being only 19/20 at the time i just sucked it up and didn’t react.. I was overly polite at that time in my life… China has changed me in both good and bad ways. Hospital related issues are defiantly part of the bad side

    • LaoShu

      Nice, did she wear her Uniform :grin

  • Chinese medical staff looks like clerks at meat shops. I guess that’s what Chinese hospitals represent nowadays.

  • Andre Leonard

    What a beautiful, thoughtful and honest person this lady is. Sad to see her colleagues turn on her in this matter.

    She should know that she is watched and admired the world over.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Yes, your poem is beautiful like this lady… but neither pays the bills.

      • Andre Leonard

        All throughout history people have had to choose between doing the right thing and the wrong thing. Standing on one’s principle is not easy. Especially when your the ONLY one standing, everyone else has folded up like a lawn-chair.

        There is a story in Western Christianity of a man named Jesus who always did the right thing. He too was scorned and ridiculed also.

        I truly admire the lady. She just needs for someone to break ranks and be reasonable over there. If not she needs to come to America.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          Yeah like America is the land of everything good. LMAO, just look at the clowns in DC and the crooks on Wall Street and the lives lost in Afghan and Iraq. How naive.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            Come to America, lol I am cracking up, can’t stop.

          • firebert5

            The U.S. is still a thousand times better than this place, for all its ridiculous problems.

        • Paul Schoe

          Why America? Apparently she has principles. And i would not be surprised that they include to give good medical care to the poor, not only to those who have money. With such principles, in America she runs the same risk of becoming a “Hallway Doctor”.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Are you Chinese? Just curious about the lyricism. However i do agree with you for the content

    • slob

      It’s a good thing what she is doing and they need more like it in China. But, as you can see, rather than the other doctors and nurses following her, FIVE HUNDRED turn on her. 500 people are greedy fucking idiots to one good person. What kind of a ratio is that? And they have the nerve to strike (benefitting NOBODY and endangering the health of commoners unable to get medical treatment).

      When you look at the other side, they need to feed their families too which is understandable. But given the amount of people visiting hospitals in comparison to the amount of money they spend on improving the hospital’s facilities, they still make a shit tonne of money even if they followed her example. The difference would be people would start trusting the medical system a little more which is obviously one of the pathways to improvement. So often I have seen doctors issuing 100-200RMB of pointless medicine to patients that look poor as shit, when they could get the same medicine from a local clinic for 5 yuan. The uneducated flock to hospitals believing they are getting quality medical treatment because they’re the ‘professionals’. They’re preying on the gullible and uneducated and just ripping the shit out of them. They do it back home too but at least you can see the hospitals actually spending money on improving the environment and equipment.

      “People’s” hospital. Yeah fucking right. Animal hospital more like it.

  • The Ding Dong from Dandong

    Lan Yuefeng needs a refugee visa so she can get the fuck out of there.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Unless you are ‘VIP’ you get treated like shit by the staff.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    Wow, after 9 years of China i must admit i was a bit naive there. When reading the article I was wondering why her colleagues would want her to get fired as she was doing something apparently right…..and then i read the comments and understood…ah yeah…of course…that.

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  • lonetrey / Dan

    Interesting. For a second, before reading the whole article, I thought the article was about a doctor withholding vital medicine to cut costs.

    Then, I realized that the impossible had happened, and that the doctor was in fact withholding NON-vital medicine!

    • RickyBeijing

      haha, I did the same thing

  • narsfweasels

    I remember I got a nasty fever and respiratory infection and went to my normal Shanghai Expat Clinic. I saw one doctor who gave me a very expensive test that turned out unecessary, then I was sent to a urologist, nephrologist and heart surgeon… all because they were on duty that duty. After six hours of “treatment” (of which I spent four lying on a gurney) they said “well, we don’t know what’s wrong with you, here’s a Tylenol. 6000RMB please.”

    After that I dragged myself to the ER of a local hospital which was absolutely slammed. they did a blood test and said “You have a cold, a really stubborn cold. It’s going around Here’s some cold medicine. 150RMB” That was definitely the most positive experience I have had at a Chinese hospital.

    It’s good that this doctor is showing a conscience.

  • jsussixfer

    My Chinese medical record states my height in meters as the equivalent of 6ft. I’m 5’4. I’ve had nurses tell me that Chinese men come in for STD testing only because of American women (which, of course, does not extend to any other reasonable partner a person could possibly have). I admire those in any country who honor their profession with dignity, as with this lady.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Everybody knows ’em American chicks are all over the handsome locals

      • jsussixfer

        Psh, any nationality of chicks could appreciate attractive locals!

    • Germandude

      I’ve had nurses tell me that Chinese men come in for STD testing only because of American women (which, of course, does not extend to any other reasonable partner a person could possibly have)

      Haha… yeah, sounds legit. Those evil, dirty american girls. Especially the cheerleaders…

    • hess

      Why didn’t you just tell them your height in cm?

      • jsussixfer

        Your comment makes me sound retarded. Because when I am recorded as being way above my actual height to suggest my giant, freakishly foreign ways… I don’t mention height in cm + correct numerals. Why would I anticipate that weirdness?

        I know how to convert between units of measurement and pronounce Chinese numbers and units fluently. I just don’t think to question whether nurses add racially biased information to my charts and double-check units that were already printed on my passport in meters and in Mandarin subscript? :/

    • linette lee

      A nurse couldn’t do simple conversion from cm to inches is a big concern. The doctor check your height and body weight on the chart and label you obese or underweight based on that. Obese patients are at risk for many things so are the underweight.
      1 inch = 2.54 cm so if you are 5ft 4in or 64 inches that would make you
      163 cm. You tell them that next time in China hospital.

      • hess

        “A nurse couldn’t do simple conversion from cm to inches is a big concern”. I’m pretty sure most medical staff wouldn’t be able to do the conversion in their head in China, or the rest of the world for that matter, since we use the metric system.

        • linette lee

          Not the exact number but estimate they can. Most medical staff can. You can too. I knew she is more than 162cm and less than 165cm when she told me she is 5ft4 off the top of my head in less than 1 minute.

          5ft 4 inches is

          5ft is always 60 inches so 60 + 4 ,
          I use 2.5 instead of 2.54
          (2.5×60 or just 25×6=150) + (2.5×4=10)
          150 + 10 = 160cm. since I used 2.5 instead of 2.54 so I add few more cms, She is definitely more than 162cm and less than 165cm.

          6ft is always 72 inches
          6ft 2in is 72 + 2 or 70 + 4
          (2.5×70 or just 25×7 = 175) + (2.5×4=10)
          175 + 10 = 185 cm add few cms maybe like between 187 and 190cm.

        • linette lee

          Most Chinese women know shopping discount off the top of their head too.

          estimation:
          $4.99 + 15.99 + 23.50 + 156.99 + 76.35 and 15% off
          is 5 + 16 + 24 + 157 + 76 = 278
          10% of 278 is 27.8 so 15% is 27.8 + 14 =42

          so 278 – 42 = $236 roughly

          • ScottLoar

            Most Americans can’t figure out a 15% tip for the waiter.

          • linette lee

            hahaha…lol. I know what you mean. To me I always think 10% like 10% of $87 is $8.7 so 15% is 8.7 + half of 8.7 which is 4.4. 8.7 + 4.4 = 13 roughly

            25% off is easier. 1/4 of $87. like $22
            so $87- 22 = $65 roughly

          • tomoe723

            for women, shopping math is a whole lot easier than metric conversion.. lol

  • Kai

    Overall progress in a society often relies on someone others can rally around; she might be one of those someones. The media and internet are pretty much championing her right now which may be helping her in what had already become a hostile work environment. There’s public pressure on the hospital due to the media attention, with the overall story being in the vein of confirming public prejudice that hospitals and doctors are fleecing patients when they can, exploiting their ignorance.

    • Guest23

      Pretty bad PR by doing this strike, it only confirms the public’s view of Hospitals being run as a criminal enterprise by making it clear they’re blackmailing everyone by withholding medical services if they don’t remove the whistle-blower.

      • mr.wiener

        Yes. By going out on strike they have really publicized this and shot themselves in the foot.

    • Paul Schoe

      Hear, Hear.

      I can’t agree more with you: “Overall progress in a society often relies on someone others can rally around; she might be one of those someones.“.

      All that fatalism when they see something good happen. Applaud, support, broadcast , do anything except for saying “it will have no effect“.

      The tendence of these comments here on CS is so negative, while the should be positive for the flowers that we slowly see blossoming around us. And Lan Yuefeng is one of them.

  • North-eastern

    Feeling pain in the chest while at work, rushed to the hospital. Chinese staff called her Doctor friend on the way so didn’t have to wait in line. The doctor did all the tests like, ECG and whatnot. He couldn’t figure out what the actual problem was so he took me to the head doctor. The head doctor, after carefully and thoroughly going through all the tests and reports, asked the doctor friend “Do you know this man? is he your friend?”. After getting the positive answer from him, turned up to me and said “Well, because you two are friends, let me be honest and frank to you…. you have nothing wrong as per the reports say. No heart problem. It might be some sort of muscle pain. If you were an outpatient, I would have told you that you will need to do this and that and admit in the hospital and bla bla bla…. go home and rest.”

  • Chris McKenna

    I used to live there :-)

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Why is do you get hooked up to an IV drip if you just have a cold or mild flu in China (and Korea)?

    • ScottLoar

      As I recounted earlier, “Shanghai Renai Hospital has seats to give more than 120 IV’s at a time because Chinese insist on medications and so the practice of salineplacebos (Chinese in general are hypochondriacs; that’s cultural behaviour and I see it among Chinese everywhere)”.

      In Taiwan I lived across from a clinic and nightly would see mothers with babes in arms dashing into the clinic; you could see the panic from their run. And it was always the same request, “打針!打針!” Chinese are hypochondriacs, Koreans at the hospital or clinic are like panicked cattle to get the immediate life-saving treatment they think is needed… Such are their lives. Almost as pathetic as seeing South Asian mommies hand feeding their child of 6 or 7, afraid the little one won’t get enough otherwise, yeah?

    • tomoe723

      haha.. i noticed that vets are doing the same thing.. must be trying to cash in on the bandwagon.. XD

  • commander

    The rife corruption throughout the country make some people misconceive that I didnt do nothing wrong because everyone else do the same.

    Corruption has become a new norm and integrity and probity is an abnormality.

    One of the gravest challenges facing China is venality throughtout the officialdom and unwillingness to straingten things out as Chinese leaders wrongly believe that uprooting corruptions and bribes is possible without political reforms for democratization.

    History illuminates the concentration of power lead to corruption and moral decadence.

  • Surfeit

    Fuckin A.

  • Surfeit

    How can people who look so unprofessional, look so unprofessional?

  • linette lee

    Are these doctors and nurses crazy? Don’t they have any shame? Protesting because one of their colleague is doing the right thing. These nurses and doctors are giving the medical field workers a bad name. The nurses in China did any of them went through medical training graduated from University with a degree in nursing? Are they even professional? No wonder China folks don’t respect medical field workers. That explains why they treat the HK doctors and nurses like that when they use the HK hospitals.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Everything that comes out of your mouth has to have HK thrown in? This is what we call FETISH.

      • linette lee

        hahaha, lol. You don’t Hk?

        • YourSupremeCommander

          I do. But only if HK stands for Hot Korean.

          • linette lee

            hahaha…lol..You don’t me then. I am not Hot Korean.
            I only if HC too.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            I can interpret HC into a few things…

            Hot Cocoa?
            Hairy Clam?
            H-rny C-nt?

            So which iz you?

            WAWAWEEWA

          • YourSupremeCommander

            u like?

          • linette lee

            hahaha…..HC
            Hot Chinese.
            I do, but only if it’s HC.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Are you a ‘hot chinese’ or you ‘do’ hot chinese?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      The way medical staff treat people here (China) you can understand why the patients treat them that way. Both are bad as each other. The ‘service’ is terrible unless you are willing to go VIP or ‘know someone’.

  • ScottLoar

    No, I’m not kidding. Here, to quote yourself:

    “Yes, sometimes the US medical system is retarded – but it’s politics.”

    “It’s the hierarchy of management and unfortunately facades need to be kept.”

    “There are good Chinese doctors here from time to time. ”

    “As for the bad foreign doctors in china, … yeah, they can charge exorbitant prices here because they’re not good enough to make it back at home.”

    I surely don’t need you to explain why diagnostic testing is done in any field (let me tell ‘ya, it is not unique to medical practice), and I repeat again, Chinese doctors have much, much, much (beau coup) practical clinical experience and the practice is not dogged by the constant threat of malpractice lawsuits which fosters excessive testing and multiple examinations by different authorities as in the US.

    And there is medical analysis in China, I’ve seen it done, I’ve had it happen to me – yep – swabs, taking blood, etc.; how can you foolishly state “There’s no actual analysis. Their diagnosis is based on statistics and the overall likelihood of you having certain diseases”? No “actual analysis”? Now I ask, you’re kidding, right? You really believe that Chinese doctors do not rely on empirical evidence but look to statistical tables to diagnose patients? Are you that dumb to reality?

  • LaoShu

    Some brilliant comments here.. and ends up comparing between the US and China.. People, there is something else besides the US – if you want a good healthcare system look at some of the European countries.. Much more efficient and cost effective.

    Honor to the lady doctor who tries not to play the game of money.

    And no am not going to quote Confucius, but let’s remember Hipocrate and Paracelsus for their fights in the medical fields..

  • Wodowsan

    In the States there are walk-in clinics. With Medical Insurance I never experienced long wait times of weeks in the States and could easily get a doctor’s appointment within the week if needed. Or for just a cold I could go to walk-in and see the doctor that day. I have had at most three hour wait times. But that to me is much better than the pushing and shoving and there is privacy when seeing the doctor and much more personal time with the doctor so you can ask important questions.

    I remember seeing a doctor in China a woman returned having just been told she had diabetes. She asked the doctors what kind of foods can she eat and not eat.

    Instead of just telling her she needs to stay away from sugars, he scolded her and told her to look it up herself. Talk about a lack of bedside manner.

    Perhaps I am old fashion, but I do think people should be treated better when seeing a doctor about their personal health than when they are seeing a car mechanic for their car.

    I guess when you are young and have no serious illnesses you want to just go in out when seeing a doctor. But when you get older and your conditions do get worse You will find compassion and patience goes a long way.

    It is when the government socializes medicine and you are getting so called “free” medical care the wait times become insane. It is one reason many Americans are opposed to Obamacare. They do not want the wait times you have with socialized medicine as in Canada or in Western Europe. A reason why those with money will come to the States for their healthcare. Since Obamacare
    has been enacted I have heard many complaints about wait times increasing already, and have noticed myself the change.

    One thing I do like about China’s system much more than in the States, is you can buy the meds you need at a drug store without having to first go to a doctor to give you a script. Saving one time and money.

    • Paul Schoe

      Socialized medicine? Wait times in Western Europe for medical aid? Clearly you don’t live in Europe and have only heard some anecdotes.

      I doubt if many people in Europe would opt for the American system.

      • Wodowsan

        You correct that I have not used Socialized
        Medicine in Western Europe and in Canada. I do though have many friends that have told me stories from those nations that have had themselves or their
        relatives have extremely long wait times. And there are Canadians and Europeans that travel to the United States for medical care. Not to mention doctors that
        choose to leave nations with socialized medicine to instead practice medicine in the States. (That is before Obamacare, we now have a problem of doctors
        choosing to no longer practice medicine instead of working under the new system that merely guarantees that American Insurance companies make money.)

        I am not aware of stories of Americans go to Europe for healthcare. I am aware of Europeans coming to the United States for healthcare. I am guessing you have not used the American system prior to Obamacare. I am though not saying the American system is perfect before Obama care. It is not. It is clearly broken and far too expensive. Yet the level of care is world class,
        cutting edge in medical development, and the doctors do have much better bedside manners and do take the time to answer a patient’s questions. They even
        ask you “Do you have any questions?” There is also a sense of privacy, treating you like a person, and not pushing you through a livestock getting its health check and shots at a corporate agricultural farm.

        The problem with the American system is cost. I have spoken to American doctors and they have told me, besides having to pay back their student loans for years of education, a third of their income
        goes for malpractice insurance (Which the trail lawyers supporting the Democrats are oppose any caps on malpractice claims) another third of their
        income goes to hiring staff to just did with all the forms in dealing with getting paid from the medical insurance companies. There is also the $10 aspirin in the hospitals to cover their costs for treating patients they legally must treat who use their ERs and are not able to pay for their care. No one gets sent home to die in America if they cannot pay for medical care. But families have been financially ruined by medical bills that over two thirds are not actually the costs of their medical treatment but the over head created by
        American Insurance companies. A monster the doctors themselves had first created to make sure they would get paid.

        But below are some stats for you to back up
        the antidotes that I am personally aware of about the wait times in socialized medical system compared to the U.S. system prior to Obamacare.

        “The US was among only three countries (with Germany and Switzerland) where less than 10% of
        patients waited more than two months for a specialist. Three to four times more patients waited longer than two months in Canada (41%), Norway (34%), Sweden
        (31%), and France (28%). In 2010, 60% of England’s NHS patients deemed ill enough by the GP waited more than two additional weeks and 31% more than
        one month for a specialist.

        “From the facts, Americans enjoy unrivalled access to health care— whether defined by access to screening; wait-times for diagnosis, treatment, or specialists; timeliness of surgery; or availability of technology
        and drugs. And, gradually, Europeans are circumventing their systems. Half a million Swedes now use private insurance, up from 100,000 a decade ago. Almost two-thirds of Brits earning more than $78,700 have done the same. But what might really surprise those who assert the excellence of nationalized insurance systems is that throughout Europe, from Britain to Denmark to Sweden, when
        faced with their inability to deliver timely access, the government’s solution is increasingly to enable access to private health care.”

        Source: Scott W. Atlas, MD is the David and Joan Traitel Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author of “In Excellent Health: Setting the Record Straight on America’s Health Care” (Hoover Press, 2011).

        • Paul Schoe

          Your remark about seeing is specialist is most likely correct. Although statistics can be interpreted in many ways, particularly by selecting the group that is being researched (for example: surgeons versus gynaocologists). However, in most countries with what you call a “socialized health care”, emphasis is placed on what is called First Line Access.

          When you need a doctor, this First Line Access is available as soon as possible (in the fast majority of cases the same day, and with doctors who know you personally and ask you “Do you have any other questions?”. Were you serious with insinuating that only is the US docors ask patients if they have questions? ). At that First Level Access, it is then determined what type of treatment you need, whether or not you need a specialist and what the urgency is.

          To me, what counts is the First Level Access. How easy is that available and what is their quality?

          If I then need to wait for an Ophthalmologist for a non-urgent eye treatment, I am OK with that.

          Of course I had to smile when I found that you referred to exactly those three countries (Canada, Sweden, Norway) that seems to have a delay. And then based on that, you condemn what you call ‘socialized health care’.
          According to the OECD: “While in some countries they are a major health policy concern, others report no significant waiting times at all. Waiting times to see a primary care physician or nurse in 2010 were low in most of the 11 countries covered by the Commonwealth Fund Survey, and only in Canada, Norway and Sweden did a significant number of patients have to wait for six days or more“.

          As the saying goes, you have “Lies, damned lies, and statistics“. We all quote what fits with our beliefs.

          • Wodowsan

            My comments were in comparison to Chinese medical care. The site is not European Smack. I only responded to another comment saying in China the waits are not as long as in the States. I was guessing they were thinking of western nations with socialized medicine that on a whole do have longer waits (especially for specialists.)

            I was not saying that Doctors in European systems do not ask if you have questions. I do not know if they do or not. I do know that in China that many of the Doctors (not all) do get annoyed if you ask them questions That has not been my experience in the States, or in Taiwan where most of the doctors are trained in America.

            If I am reporting from my personal experiences of having medical care in China and in America, and backing it up with statics. I do not see how I can be accused of lying? I am not accusing you of such things because your observations are different. I am though assuming you have not had medical care in the U.S. and do have ideological convictions that socialized medicine is some how superior to a free market system for care (with regulations.)

            I suggest you read my reply again. I did site the numbers for France, Great Britain, Germany, and Switzerland. Germany and Switzerland as I noted were at par with the States in wait times. I am not cherry picking my facts. I am though pointing out the U.S. before Obamacare did not have long wait times as the other person was defending the Chinese system of “pushing them through”

            I have noted that since Obamacare has been implements in the States, wait times have increased in the States, and many doctors are choosing to drop out of medicine all together, finding the new system too much of a burden to deal with. The system we had before Obamacare was not perfect, and did need fixing, but no matter how poor someone was they received the same quality healthcare as the richest and powerful. No one was denied healthcare due to lack of money.

            Yet our new government mandated system seems to be already turning into what is common in Western Europe a two tier system: Elite private medical industry for the wealthy and powerful that can afford it. and a rationed government system for everyone else that is supported by very high taxes. No such thing as “free” anything, even in a socialist nation. Someone always pays. The argument is to make the rich pay, but those with money and power always find a way to pass the costs to the little guys. Higher rents, higher living costs, and too often lose of jobs.

          • Paul Schoe

            I am not saying that you lie. and If you feel that i did, then I apologize. I do say that statistics are mostly used to support a person’s (your, mine, other’s) claim and that on almost any subject (in this case access to medical help) there are statistics for every side of the table. And we use those that support our claims.

            I feel that the First Line approach of many countries in Western Europe is superb above that in the US as it ensures affordable medical care for almost every citizen. You applaud the quality of US doctors and point to the happy few that might take a trip to the US for a specialist treatment. Both positions have their merit but they are based on fundamental different views on how Health Care should work.

            Given the fact that in the US many people are going bankrupt due to their health care expenses, and having some friends in the US who can’t afford health care, I find your statement “no matter how poor someone was they received the same quality healthcare as the richest and most powerful” very hard to believe but maybe that is the case in the area or circles in which you move.

            The “socialist systems” to which you refer, see health care more as a fundamental right for all their citizens.

            I prefer that view above a system where many people cannot afford the type of care that is needed to enjoy an old age. But if you indeed feel that in the USA “no matter how poor someone was they received the same quality healthcare as the richest and most powerful” then my argument is moot and without value, because the the USA has indeed already surpassed Europe in good health care for all their citizens. (now they only have to make it affordable ;-)

          • Wodowsan

            I agree with you that health care should be a fundamental right for everyone. We do agree on that.
            Yes, in the States if you have no assets you will get healthcare. Medical insurance does not guarantee healthcare. because if you having nothing you can
            get it here. What affording medical insurance guarantees is if you need healthcare you will not be financially ruined.

            The way the system is here now in the States is they cannot deny anyone healthcare. But for the
            middleclass a major illness can force families into poverty if they do not have medical Insurance.

            I just do not believe the government is the best way to make sure everyone gets affordable
            healthcare. Government has a tendency of taking a 10 dollars from Paul to give 2 dollars to Peter.

            There are ways the state can pass laws to make the system much more affordable yet maintaining the
            quality of healthcare system we have.

            Problem is that Insurance companies and trial lawyers in America would never allow my ideas to go though.

            There is this misconception that in America if you do not have medical insurance you cannot get health care. It is not true. Hospitals are legally obligated not to deny medical care to anyone. But they will bill you after the fact that can ruin a working class family. That is the problem with our system. Obamacare was an attempt to try to make it affordable. But it is having the opposite effect. Instead of having only the insurance companies as middlemen adding costs to the system, we now have the government also, adding even more costs.

            There was a time when doctors would come to you to give you medical care and take two chickens for
            payment because that was all you could afford.

            I think if we set up a system based on means it would be much better. Eliminate the bureaucrats
            in large insurance companies and in government offices. Put a cap on malpractice claims. Make doctors tax exempt, along with drug companies,
            and medical instrument companies in exchange for their services to society. but force them not to bill patients any more than a progressive percentage of their incomes. Those who make nothing pay nothing, those make little pay little, those who are super rich would pay more.

            For those who take care of their health and would not need to use medical care often there by not having to much at all if anything. Lessening the burden on the system.

            By making people pay out of their own pockets it will make them wiser in their own healthcare. People
            always spend their own money wiser than they spend someone else’s.

            When someone else is paying the bill, or you feel it is free (which it never is) then people do not care how much is being spent; resulting in higher insurance premiums and or higher taxes, or worse riots in the street because your government is going bankrupt.

          • Paul Schoe

            Put a cap on malpractice claims” now that is one that would indeed help doctors and drive costs down.

  • There is more than one story but who does the public and media believe?

  • Paul Schoe

    I refuse to believe that it is a losing proposition. More and more people in China realize the value of values. I get the impression that people like this doctor get more and more support.

    That does not mean that is seems like an almost impossible job, so kuddos to everybody like her, who are willing to do the (almost) impossible.

  • Paul Schoe

    Yes, she is in an incredible and awfull situation.

    But as Kai mentions in his post: “Overall progress in a society often relies on someone others can rally around; she might be one of those someones.“. Let’s hope. For her and for the many Chinese patients.

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