Ancient Chinese Characters Found Inscribed On American Rocks

Ancient Chinese Characters Found Inscribed On American Rocks

A retired chemist has found ancient Chinese characters, or Hanzi, inscribed on rocks in the New Mexico reservation of the Petrified Forest National Park. John Ruskamp said the characters were definitely not fake, and indicate that Asian ancestors were in America around 1300BC, 2800 years before Christopher Columbus set foot on “the New World” in 1492. The find could rewrite history, which has always said that European explorers were first to set foot on America. One startled netizen questioned if American Indians were in fact Chinese descendents.

Source: Netease

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  • WghUk

    More Chinese characters found the more shameful it gets. It means the ancient Chinese could have taken over the world and USA wouldn’t have existed today.

    • 42

      this only shows that chinese throughout history have never had expansionary ambition, they only defended their borders to secure their own lands. europeans however have oppressed and wiped out most aboriginal habitants all over the world.

      • David

        No, this shows how stupid people who believe this crap are and how pathetic to try and use it to show something about Chinese character today.

        • Bman

          Yes, the news is definitely not dominated lately about stories of Chinese expansionism.

          • 42

            If Chinese expansionism means the occasional harmless bumping of fishing boats, then I would definitely choose chinese expansionism over that of bringing democracy to countries with drone bombing where people actually die…

          • Bman

            True that, George Bush was bought and paid for, and eventually voted out. That’s how democracy works.
            But to deny the current round of expansionism exists is wrong. It’s just being done like most transactions here. No direct confrontation; just subtle manipulations and redirects; confusion everywhere; until opponents get a headache and just give up, shaking their heads and grumbling as they walk away…
            So, 2 systems, 2 styles. I reassert; your preferential style is denial. But closing your eyes doesn’t make the world go away :)

          • Goldfish

            It means having your organs removed without anesthesia as a form of execution for your religious belief and disagreeing with the government. See https://youtu.be/N7ZmFLi0lgY

          • David

            When you have an argument with a neighbor it may be the neighbors fault. When you have an argument with EVERY country you share a border with and a few you don’t, it is time to look in the mirror.

          • 42

            When you have arguments with your all your neighbours, it could be your fault, or the neighbours are just bullying you out of your neighbourhood.

            When you have arguments with people that arent even your neighbours but acrosss the ocean in another continent, now that is a moment were you have to look into mirrors…..

          • Bman

            Or, the neighbors are tired of being bullied, so they called the police for help.

          • 42

            That may be true, however your neighbour takes matter in his own hands and act like the police instead of letting the real police handle it. That is vigilante behavior and is illegal.

          • Bman

            The ‘real police’, the global courts, were told to go away.
            So here we are with a bully, and this bully doesn’t listen to the police.
            That’s why the ‘across the ocean’ police were called.
            Not that farking difficult to understand is it?

          • Jahar

            yeah those tiny little countries are always bullying China.

          • 42

            1 is a tiny little country, but if 4 or 5 together its massive bullying againt 1, have you ever seen a bully bullying a group of people by himself? bullying doesnt work that way, bullying always happen in groups against 1.

          • Jahar

            Except that it’s not 4 or 5 that come close to the size of China. It’s also not people. It’s a country of 1.4 billion. And they aren’t ganging up on China, they all have individual legitimate greivances.

          • Alex Dương

            If you think that China has no valid claim to Diaoyu / Senkaku, then by the same logic, Malaysia and the Philippines don’t have a valid claim to the disputed Spratly Islands, and their grievances aren’t legitimate.

          • Jahar

            Did I say China has no claim to Diaoyu?

          • Alex Dương

            No claim or no valid claim?

          • Jahar

            I said nothing about China’s claim at all.

          • Alex Dương

            My apologies.

          • David

            Then we agree, the entire world feels China is bullying all of its neighbors.

          • 42

            however a characteristic of a bully is that it never works alone, there is always a bunch of bullies, so in that sense no, China is the one getting bullied, however this bullied child have merely decided to fight back.

          • David

            China is arguing with EVERY country it has a border with, and most of the rest of the world condemns them. However, if you want to continue to think China is not the one with the problem, you are free to do that (because you actually live in a country that allows you to express your opinion).

          • Alex Dương

            China has resolved almost all of its land border disputes with its neighbors. India is the big exception. You say that most of the rest of the world condemns China. That means something, but it isn’t conclusive. Going back to India, most of the world condemned China after 1962. But from a neutral POV, it’s hard to argue that China was the aggressor. India moved first and even established outposts north of its own border claim. The near-universal condemnation came because of Cold War politics, not because of facts.

          • David

            Of course it is not conclusive. There is no real conclusiveness , they are man made borders. However, who have they settled disputes with? They still argue with NK, and they are NKs best friend. They argue with Pakistan and India (as you noted) about Kashmir, The only ones I am aware of their settlement with are the ‘Stan’ countries on their far west border (which they have with internal provinces that they have strife with about being controlled) and those are only ‘settled’ because China has said “this is how it is going to be”. You say it is politics, as opposed to what? War? It is all politics. The minute I draw a line in the sand and say everything on this side is mine, it becomes either war or politics. You can not dismiss all those countries complaining about so many traditional border violations. France is not arguing with Spain about which mountain range belongs to them. Canada and the U.S. have not had those arguments in over 100 years. Many countries have some minor dispute, some even have a major dispute (like India and Pakistan) but China is like Russia going into the Crimean, they just want to claim and grab everything.

          • Alex Dương

            However, who have they settled disputes with?

            Besides the ‘stan’s, they’ve settled land border disputes with Russia (technically the Soviet Union, but succession of states), Vietnam, and Pakistan.

            https://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/ibru/publications/full/bsb4-2_hyer.pdf

            http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/01/01/china.vietnam/

            http://archive.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/limitsinseas/IBS085.pdf

            The Vietnam one was recent, but the other two occurred quite some time ago. When did you start following China?

            You can not dismiss all those countries complaining about so many traditional border violations.

            I think you’re confusing the maritime disputes with land disputes. Yes, a lot of countries complain about Chinese behavior in the South China Sea. Pretty much only India has an ongoing land dispute with China.

            China is like Russia going into the Crimean, they just want to claim and grab everything.

            I disagree. Before last year, you never heard Russia arguing that Crimea was Russian. Sure, in private, some or even many may have grumbled that Crimea was rightfully theirs and that Khrushchev wrongly handed it over, but there was no official Russian claim. There was no dispute.

            Which Chinese dispute is like this? The South China Sea dispute predates the founding of the PRC. The Diaoyu / Senkaku dispute started in 1978, not 2014. The dispute with India goes all the way back to 1914 during British rule in India.

      • DIR911911 .

        tell that to tibet

        • 42

          yes Chinese communist invaded tibet so they can have free meditation sessions at the potala monastery….

          If china really wanted to invade some country I would not think Tibet should be their first choice, there is nothing in Tibet that China wants. China presence in Tibet is only for one reason, securing borders.

          • guest

            That may have been so in the past but know its a great source of water for the region. Given that several other neighbouring countries water sources come from Tibet it isn’t too far fetched that its possible that future regional skirmishes may occur due to water security as China’s water projects could/are directly affecting its neighbouring countries water security.

            Also, Tibet has geographic features make it a great place for natural resources which have been found in abundance, not withstanding the possibilities of of solar energy make it a part of its territory worth holding on to.

            But as you mention the Chinese historically have not invaded other countries your comments are rather puzzling, how to do you define Chinese, does the Yuan dynasty count as Chinese? They have invaded several other countries solely for the goal of their obedience.

          • 42

            actually the Yuan dynasty (which were mongolians) and the last empire the Qing dynasty (who were manchurians) were all considered as a foreign entity and occupational force in China. Han Chinese never recognized these dynasties and were trying hard to topple and bring down their rule with uprisings. If the Qing dynasty could have lasted up till now, then China would have belonged to them, and China would have been a manchurian ethnic country instead of han chinese ethnic country. But the fact now is, it isnt.

          • Alex Dương

            Han Chinese recognized the legitimacy of the Qing for pretty much all of the 18th Century. The uprisings started again in the 19th Century as the Qing were weakening. The Qing lasted over 260 years because they got Han Chinese on board; the Yuan lasted less than 100 years because they didn’t.

          • 42

            I agree with you that the Qing empire incorporated Han Chinese into their court, and majority of Han Chinese didnt complain that much about Qing rule, because most Qing emperors were decent emperors for which the han chinese mutually respected.

          • Jahar

            You know they had to wear their hair in a queue(long braid), which was a symbol of their subjugation, right? And punishment for removing it was death? This is decent rule? I suppose, by Chinese standards.

          • 42

            You know nothing, the horsetail was indeed the symbol of subjucation, eventually in solidarity with the han chinese even the manchurian royalty wore the horsetail queue and it became fashion and part of the Qing identity. the Qing empire even incorporated han chinese into their courts as their officials

            The reason why han chinese culture survived every invasion over the centuries is that the occupying foreign force loved chinese culture so much that they were willingly to assimilate themselves with it, even abandoning their own culture.

            Other civilizations usually destroyed the culture they invaded and try to change it to their own.

          • Alex Dương

            The horsetail was indeed the symbol of subjucation, eventually in solidarity with the han chinese the Qing empire even incorporated han chinese into their courts as their officials

            The reason why han chinese culture survived every invasion over the centuries is that the occupying foreign force loved chinese culture so much that they were willingly to assimilate themselves with it, even abandoning their own culture.

            Mark C. Elliott shows convincingly IMO that a reason why the Qing Empire lasted as long as it did is because it learned from the failures of the Jin and the Yuan before them. The Jin sinicized themselves to the point where they lost their distinctiveness as a minority conquest elite. On the other hand, the Yuan alienated the Han Chinese majority (e.g. they abolished the imperial examination system).

            The Qing tried their hardest to maintain a distinct Manchu and later on “Banner” identity separate from the majority Han. Even though proficiency in the Manchu language steadily eroded, from an identity standpoint, they clearly identified themselves as distinct from the Han.

            But the Han were brought on board with the Empire. The Qing Emperors positioned themselves as stewards of traditional Chinese culture. The imperial examination system was continued from the Ming, and Han Chinese could and did rise through the ranks of the bureaucracy.

            So the truth is somewhere in the middle. Full sinicization and “Qing weren’t Chinese” are both oversimplifications.

          • Jahar

            They didn’t recognize it, yet they were happy to take their lands when those dynasties were toppled, and hold their claims now.

          • Walter S

            You forgot the Kim dynasty…aka Jin dynasty about 1000 AD. Qing wasn’t called qing initially but Kim (part 2 if you want to think of it that way hahaha) to honor their Manchurian/goryeo brethren (yes, goryeo is the same as korea).

          • Alex Dương

            It isn’t “aka” the (Later) Jin Dynasty; it’s the (Later) Jin Dynasty. Korea had nothing to do with the naming choice. Really, it’s absurd to try to claim that the Manchus wanted to honor their Korean brethren when the Koreans still paid respect to the Ming and some even continued to record years with respect to the Chongzhen Emperor.

          • Walter S

            You don’t know what you’re talking about, Alex. AKA means also known as. It means equal. Manchus and Koreans aren’t the same later down the line but historians and The imperial published book in the 1700’s do recognize that both manchus and Koreans claim a common ancestor from the mountain region bordering north Korea and China. Now, The manchus from the 2nd Kim dynasty which was later named qing –it was later renamed hundreds of years later into the dynasty– was honoring their Manchu brethren, also known as goryeo (and various other names). I did not say they were honoring koreans. That very tribe 1000 years ago sinicized their name meaning Gold to Kim…Kim is a pre 1500 chinese pronunciation of Jin – after 1500, linguists noted Mandarin dropped ending consonants like M and T.

          • Alex Dương

            You listed Kim first and Jin second with “aka.” That implies that Kim is how the dynasty is most commonly referred to, but that is false.

            The manchus from the 2nd Kim dynasty which was later named qing –it was later renamed hundreds of years later into the dynasty

            What? First, the Qing lasted over 260 years, so are you seriously arguing that they were only known as the Qing for what, the last 60 years of their existence? No. Huang Taiji renamed the dynasty from Later Jin (not 2nd Kim ffs) to Qing, and Huang Taiji died in 1643 before the Qing conquered all of China.

            I did not say they were honoring koreans.

            You said, quote, “Qing wasn’t called qing initially but Kim (part 2 if you want to think of it that way hahaha) to honor their Manchurian/goryeo brethren (yes, goryeo is the same as korea).” So yes, you were trying to argue that the Later Jin as a name was honoring Koreans. No. It was a reference to the first Jin Dynasty (not Kim).

            That very tribe 1000 years ago sinicized their name meaning Gold to Kim

            Again, no. The Qing imperial family was surnamed Aisin Gioro, which means “Gold” in Manchu and thus can be translated as Jin in Chinese and Kim in Korean, but their name was Aisin Gioro, not Kim.

          • Walter S

            Hey Yeung, Jin and Kim are interchangeable words regardless of language. Just like I can pronounce your name with a Z (hanoi) versus a Y (mien nam). In the western world, it’s Jin. 20 years ago, it was Chin. And you wonder why chin? Wades gile, my friend. 1000 years ago, pronounced Kim with a G sound.

            Yes, qing was initially called Jin. It got later changed to qing. Go read the chinese documents from that period. It s been awhile since I can recall when they changed the name but I do recall reading the imperial book 滿州流源 and the language of the court slowly shifting from Manchurian to Mandarin where Mandarin was used 100% by around 1860. Knowing these things were part of my academic work decades ago when I was young, Mr zeung. Also, check out war of arrows, some korean drama with Korea vs manchurian made a few years ago. Half in Manchu and half in korean language. Quite interesting film if interested.

          • Alex Dương

            Jin and Kim are interchangeable words regardless of language.

            I’m not denying that 金 is the Chinese character corresponding to Jin in pinyin and Kim in McCune-Reischauer. I’m saying that I don’t understand why you refer to it as “Kim aka Jin” when Jin is how the dynasty is most commonly referred to today. It feels like you’re trying to work in a Korean angle, especially since you said, quote, “Qing wasn’t called qing initially but Kim (part 2 if you want to think of it that way hahaha) to honor their Manchurian/goryeo brethren (yes, goryeo is the same as korea).”

            It s been awhile since I can recall when they changed the name

            You could’ve just looked it up. The name was changed in the 1630s by Huang Taiji. My source is a history professor at the University of Oregon.

          • Walter S

            Yeah, I could’ve. I’m actually working now in a different field so I’m quite busy — but i do sneak a peak at things online once in awhile. The Manchu academic work was years ago so my memory may not serve me well since I’m getting senile.

            As for the Kim part, I’m actually trying to separate out the Chinese and Manchus but I’m not playing the Korean part. Because Kim is a Sino-Vietnamese word for gold. It’s also Sino-Korean for gold. It’s also Sino-Japanese for gold. It’s Teochew, South Phukien for gold as well. Kim is the old word because the “M” turned into the “N” sound for Mandarin around 1500 according to linguists and things of that nature, but the point I’m making is that Manchus are NOT “Chinese.”

            By the way, based on academic experience and having friends in the academic field (who too are professors at known universities)…sometimes sourcing professors could be the wrong thing to do. Professors do get it wrong sometimes. If you yourself do the investigation, you could be more right than a professor and I applaud you if you do your own investigation instead of relying on someone. As for the 1630’s, I could’ve sworn it was later but I could be wrong. Thanks for the correction but the point is…Chin Dynasty (Jin in Mainland Pinyin, Kim in ancient Chinese) was the initial name before it changed to Ching (Qing in mainland pinyin), regardless of when they changed — which you agree with me already on that one.

          • Walter S

            By the way, if you paid attentions to obituaries recently over the years of progenies of the last qing emperor, look at their last name. Jin pronounced Kim in ancient chinese. They had to convert their Manchu name meaning ai gioro to what means gold…which is Jin, anciently the word Kim.

          • 42

            The Jin Dynasty didn’t rule over China, they were just a rival Dynasty which indeed were enthnic manchurians alongside the Song Dynasty which were han chinese. The Song Dynasty had two fronts to fight, one against the Jin, and the other was against the Mongols, Djenghis Khan. Eventually the mongols defeated the Jin and the Song forming the Yuan Dynasty, which did rule over entire China.

          • Walter S

            Yawn…the Yuan dynasty didn’t rule over all of China. Don’t forget Xinjiang…doh! Your point is moot, 42. I don’t disagree with any of your argument…so what are you arguing again?

            BTW, I agree with the Mongolians defeating the Jurchens of Kim Dynasty and the Han-Chinese of the Song Dynasty.

          • Alex Dương

            The Jin ruled over part of China.

          • Anonynonymous

            Invasion is an invasion, no matter the outcome. It’s arguable that Native American was better off in the long run with modern educations and medicine, too. But you’ll hardly see any American today delusional enough to actually believe the colonist’s expansion westward wasn’t an invasion of the native’s homeland.

      • Alex Dương

        Untrue. Ask the Vietnamese.

        • 42

          Vietnam was chinese territory to begin with, did you not know the founding father of vietnam was a chinese general named Zhaotao during the Qing dynasty?

          Actually the chinese-vietnamese war that started in 1979 was to teach Vietnam a lesson for their expansionism by invading cambodia and collaboration with the soviet russians to gain mass influence in the chinese region. It was never Chinas intend to occupy or expand its influence into Vietnam. The entire sino-vietnam conflict was a proxy war between Soviet Union and China, where communist china was in a standoff and on the brink of launching a full scale war against russia

          • Alex Dương

            You’re proving my point. Zhao Tuo was definitely a foreigner relative to this guy.

          • 42

            Thuc phan only consolidated vietnamese tribes into one and ruled over them called Au Lac. Zhaotuo however founded the kingdom Nanyue which is the present day name of Vietnam.

            Thuc phan he himself however was a chinese prince of the chinese state of Shu.

            So, sorry if it is offending but Vietnamese are of chinese descent.

          • Alex Dương

            Exactly, he consolidated Vietnamese tribes. Who weren’t Chinese.

          • 42

            He probably wasn’t vietnamese and ruled and consolidated tribes of indigenous origin who were living there locally, but they were also not vietnamese people, as vietnamese didnt even exist at that time and period. Vietnamese came about when the first nation was build, and that started at the nanyue period.

            As han chinese weren’t chinese, before they decided to consolidate, settled, started a kingdom and proclaim themselves as part of an ethnicity chinese

          • Alex Dương

            Nam Viet is the origin of how the people are named today. The people existed before the name was chosen, and the people were (1) Vietnamese and (2) not Chinese.

          • 42

            I understand what you are saying, and probably the majority of Vietnam were indeed formed by distinctive tribes that have similar traditions and customs which identified themselves and seperated themselves from han chinese, however, early vietnam also consisted of places that are now modern day chinese provinces as Guangdong, Guanxi and Yunnan. These are large places with han chinese populations, so it is then hard to believe Nam Viet was not formed with a large part of han chinese.

            It is hard to swallow I know.

            For example, Taiwanese, eventhough are formed largely of Fujian Han chinese people, are more and more considering themselves as a separate ethnicity and even denying they are han chinese, they call them distinctively taiwanese.

            Singapore, eventhough formed largely by han chinese dont call themselves chinese, but they are singaporeans.

            However historical, cultural and even genetics tells otherwise. It’s one thing to deny and alter cultural identity, for which I have every respect for, but its another thing to deny historical facts and your historical roots.

            much like Americans who started to seperate themselves from the british calling out independance, and evolved into an american identity, but which roots are still majority in europe.

          • Alex Dương

            These are large places with han chinese populations, so it is then hard
            to believe Nam Viet was not formed with a large part of han chinese

            Yes, they have large Han Chinese populations today. Do you know who lived in those provinces over 2000 years ago?

          • Jahar

            You know Britain doesn’t say the US was originally British. They don’t say that about India either. Or Wales. Or Scotland.

          • 42

            Britain cannot say anything, they lost the WAR, and America celebrate 4th of july independance day every year because of it, smeering it in the face of the U.K. people.

            Britian however is occupying the falkland island saying it belongs to their territorial waters according to international maratime laws, however it is 7000 miles away from U.K and it is instead closer to Argentinian maritime borders….

          • Jahar

            Um, China lost the war for Vietnamese independence too, yet you are saying they are Chinese.

            Britain is occupying Falklands? They didn’t take it from Argentina, It was British long before Argentina was a country. And saying it should belong to Argentina because it’s closer is like saying Alaska should belong to Canada. Anyway that’s not related to the point anyway. It IS British.

          • 42

            Thats fine and swell if Falkland was British all along, then the people habituating the island who then have the british nationality can move the f back to U.K. So Argentina can finally claim the island and build a theme park on it. problem solved.

          • Jahar

            Honestly I don’t know the grounds on which Argentina claims them, but if it’s just, “They’re closer to us than you,” then that’s a pretty shitty argument.

          • 42

            I am not saying Vietnam belong to China, I am not even saying they are chinese, they have now a vietnamese identity. but they are for the most part of han chinese descendant or at least have or had a cultural identity of that of han chinese or influenced by it.

            The whole topic came about that China tried to invade and occupy vietnam, which I claim that China had or have never intended to annex Vietnam. Vietnam existed through chinese influence, and then became independent.

          • Bman

            The Falklands have always been a part of Britain. And the people that live there want it that way.
            And I believe America and Britain are the best of friends now. For some people, the past is the past.
            You see, they learned how to:
            1. move on
            2. forgive and forget
            3. grow up

          • Alex Dương

            The Falklands are British, but they’re also inconvenient for people (speaking generally here) who argue against Chinese sovereignty in Xinjiang and Tibet and Chinese claims to the Spratlys and Paracels in the South China Sea. A common argument is that China is claiming islands “right next to” the Philippines. Well, the Falklands are right next to Argentina, but they’re still British.

            Usually the retort is that Falkland Islanders want to be British. True, but who are the Falkland Islanders? A large majority are descended from British migrants. So does this mean all Beijing has to do is keep sending Han Chinese to Xinjiang etc. and the problem is solved?

          • Bman

            Exactly; suppression by infiltration.
            Pure genius.
            That, and never argue. Just believe.

          • 42

            hahah, you hit the nail exactly on the spot, and the hypocricy surrounding these subjects are hilarious.

          • guest

            To be honest I find the Falkland augment somewhat ironic when people say oh the Falklands should be given back to Argentina. I commonly say well if you going to say that Argentina should really be be given back to the indigenous people of South America! The history of it according to wiki gives the impression that they were uninhabited but could had been used for hunting/fishing grounds.

          • Alex Dương

            To clarify, I’m talking about people who say the Falkland Islands are British and that China should butt out of the South China Sea because “those islands are literally right next to the Philippines.”

          • guest

            Actually the British are claiming it as their territory based on continuous administration and the self determination of the islander and not because its their territorial waters.

            The waters around the Falkland islands for which they claim are based on international maritime laws due to them claiming the island, i.e the land claim gives them a territorial water claim due to international maritime law, something all counties can claim if they have a coastline.

          • Walter S

            Ummm no. Namviet was located in modern day guangzhou. The Viet tribes got pushed south with remaining bac Viet located in fujian assimilating into chinese society.

          • Jahar

            Qin Dynasty. Also, there was a kingdom there, which was CONQUERED by the Chinese. What kind of mentality do you have to think, “We conquered this kingdom, therefore it was ours to begin with?”

          • Walter S

            Yawn…Vietnam has prior dynasties starting with hoang bang 4800 years ago. Even though trieu dynasty (in chinese called Nam Viet dynasty) capital is modern day guangzhou, prior capitals were in between hanoi to guangzhou….

      • Anonynonymous

        Just go look at the boarders of any ancient Chinese dynasties, (Qin for example) and compare to the Chinese boarder today and tell me with a straight face that Chinese never expanded nor had the ambition. For a Chinese you sure don’t know your damn history. What a shame.

      • Jahar

        China wasn’t this big 3000 years ago. They got this big through conquest.

        • 42

          China got this big through defending borders, alliance, resistance, uprisings, consolidation, but never conquest, they never occupied a sovereign nation. If Tibet was a sovereign nation is to be debated. Yeah I thought let me mention Tibet before you do.

          • Alex Dương

            Besides Vietnam, which we’ve already been over, Xinjiang is Chinese today because the Qing conquered and committed genocide on the Dzungars.

          • Jahar

            It became one nation by conquering other kingdoms. look at a map of the first Chinese dynasty. Do you really mean to say the rest of China was gained peacefully? There were no other sovereign states here other than that original one?

    • sjk121

      Without Chinese technology, westerner can not sail to America and have no chance to produce industral revolution

  • KamikaziPilot

    Rewrite history? I think it’s pretty well known that Europeans were not the first to step foot on America. That’s why American Indians are also called Native Americans. They were here way before the first Europeans came. The Vikings landed in present day Canada, not sure if they ever step foot in present day America. I wouldn’t be shocked though if Native Americans did originate in China, or at least have some Han blood.

    • Alex Dương
      • KamikaziPilot

        I’ve heard that before but I wonder if there’s any way to look at DNA and see if they’re related to the current Han population. After all Siberia is next to China. I’ve even heard theories that explorers from Africa or Europe came before the Vikings but I think the first permanent settlements were those that came across the then frozen Bering Strait into north america. When you logically think about it, it’s not too far fetched to see Native Americans are related to current east asian populations.

        • Alex Dương

          They could very well be. The only thing I know of, which may just be coincidental, is that Mongolian spots are also very common among Native Americans.

          • Mihel

            Mongolian spots are also very common in my island in Italy.
            That could explain why we’re so backwards.

          • Alex Dương

            I blame it on the Moors.

            Just kidding.

          • Mihel

            And Neanderthals.
            It’s a gene pool full of backwardness . That’s… promising.

          • 42

            Because Attilla the Hun (mongolian tribe) brought down the Roman empire, thats why. Italy is backward is because of fascism and because of berlusconi….

          • David

            Attila did not bring down the Roman Empire. You really need to learn history.

          • Bman

            Didn’t Spartacus bring them down? I watched the whole series twice. He sure did some damage.

          • 42

            If excessive use of bodily oils and abs could have brought down empires then yes, spartans did.

          • Bman

            Slippery gladiators are harder to catch :)

          • David

            lol Actually Spartacus lived about 70 B.C. The men who wiped out his rebellion were Pompii and Crasses, the other two from Julius Caesar’s triumvirate. Caesar was just a young recruit back then. so about 30 years before the start of the empire (Rome was a Republic for 400 years until Augustus followed Caesar, but then became an Empire fr about another 400 years). Sorry, this is what happens when you make jokes with a historian.

          • Bman

            Ok, thanks for the info! I really get confused about that Era; Asterix and Obelix never gave details. But we agree that was a great show, right??

          • David

            lol Absolutely. If you liked that, try ROME. It is getting old now but still very good.

          • Amused

            Download the Europa Barbarorum mod for Rome one sometime man. It’s far more historically accurate than the vanilla game and plays better than Rome 2.

          • David

            awww I was speaking of the television show from HBO. I think it came out in 2005 and ran for like 6 or 7 seasons.

          • Amused

            I initially thought you meant Rome: Total War, the game and had a strategy game nerd spazz attack. But yeah I figured out you were talking about Varenus and Pullo afterwards. Great tv show. Far better IMHO than the Spartacus one.

          • Bman

            Heard about that; forgot to download it; doing it now.
            That’s gonna be awesome, thanks bud!

          • 42

            The Huns were the main cause for the Roman military depletion, much like now America and the war on terror is depleting them, so much history is repeating itself.

          • David

            Again, I think you need to stop reading your Chinese written history (and apparently your Chinese news papers), neither assertion is correct.

          • Bman

            The ‘war on terror’ is a power grab by those in the defense industry. It has depleted the country emotionally, but not militarily. You see, America uses fear as a weapon, just as every country does. That’s how they (most world leaders) make their money; convincing people that they’re part of the chosen race, and everyone else is a threat. I’ve seen past it, you should too. Nothing is real. Especially the hatred.

          • Mihel

            Nope, we were backwards way before Benny & Silvy.
            I’m not talking about Italy as a whole anyway, I’m just talking about my island. We were backwards even during the roman empire.

    • Teacher in China

      My hometown in Canada has a large native population, so I’m used to seeing their faces, and I’m telling you there are a lot of Chinese people that could easily pass for native. Not sure if they’re Han or not though. Anyway the resemblance isn’t surprising given the migration across the land bridge between Russia and Alaska that used to exist ages and ages ago.

  • mr.wiener

    Retired chemist John Ruskamp says the characters are definitely not fake….

    Now that right there is making me a tad sceptical.

  • Anon

    Actually there this is nothing new, the are countless evidences of contact with America before Christopher Columbus and is speculated that the contact between America with the east and west civilizations was not uncommon, but remained anecdotal due to the difficulty of the travel and was mostly done by lost ships. There are even clues of a possible contact between ancient Egypt and America, most is hidden in histories and legends other times are physical proof. The thing is that the contact done by Christopher Columbus was done at the right time, with an enough developed marine technology for a stable and secure travel routes with America with countries in an expansionist time, that is what made the difference from previous contacts.

    • Bman

      You didn’t even mention how aliens visited most cultures, and bred with those who had hot chicks. You need to catch up on your Ancient Aliens.

      • Amused

        You gotta admit, that dude with the crazy bald Einstein hair is PRETTY convincing…

    • Jahar

      yeah someone must have taught the mayans how to build pyramids.

  • Amused

    This is almost as funny as the Koreans deciding Confucius was from their country.

    • 42

      dna research shows that japanese of today are mostly of yayoi descendants and are tracked back to and near the area of the south yangzte river. but you dont hear any japanese admitting they are of chinese descendant.

      • Bman

        Nor that you (we) are all from Africa :)

        • 42

          I am not denying we are all from african descendant, we may very well be, but I have not done enough research to discuss if this claim is legitimate or not.

          • Bman

            It’s not new or radical info. I kind of thought it was the most common theory for many years.

          • Vance

            It is. Both archealogical and genetic evidence supports this theory. The oldest sites are in the Oldivai Gorge in Africa from a couple million years ago, and somehow they’ve traced all of modern man’s genetic code back to a single female in the same region 200,000 years ago. How, I have no idea.

          • Bman

            Nicolas Cage did it. He’s good with codes.

          • Vance

            But no massive cities or treasures of gold were uncovered at Oldivai Gorge!

          • 42

            Wasn’t Tom Hanks the one who was good with codes?

          • Bman

            And her name was Cher.

          • 42

            Now Cher was definitely an Alien!

          • Bman

            She still is :~o

        • Jahar

          Apparently we also got traced back even farther, some marsupial-type critter in SE Asia.

  • Bman

    Perhaps Chinese are descended from Native Americans? That would be an interesting rewrite :)

    • 42

      actually there have been research that asian or chinese people moved from the outskirts of russia through modern day alaska into the americas, so the native americans are probably mix or descendants from asia. thats why colombus said by setting foot on the american continent that the native indians have a somewhat asian appearance.

      • Bman

        Yes, that’s the commonly held theory. I was making a joke.
        They definitely weren’t ‘Chinese’ though.
        And I do believe you forgot the part about how these Asian, or ‘Chinese’ people, came from Africa to colonize what is now present day China.

        • 42

          han chinese came about when multiple tribes who lived along the yellow river and formed an awareness which was called the huaxia people, this is where chinese history starts that formed china today. no african influence took part in it.

          • Bman

            ALL humans are from Africa. Remember, we are all human? Or have you convinced yourself that Chinese evolved differently?

          • 42

            we are not only talking about DNA, we are also talking about culture and passing on culture, and there are some places there is obvious signs that some culture influenced others by emigration and what has made their culture as it is today. I am not sure that African culture has influenced chinese descendants or not, may very well be, but not very clear signs there are.

          • Bman

            Oh, I see.

            But you said ‘native americans are probably mix or descendants from asia’

            ‘Mix’ and ‘descendants’ implied DNA.

          • 42

            yes, maybe there is. but if we are all from african descent, why my hair is straight and i don’t have a humungous afro? there are no signs that we have african genes. but its a fact that some mexicans look like asian.

          • Bman

            Lol, because of alien inbreeding of course!

          • Jahar

            Same reason I have white skin and brown straight brown hair. people change. You don’t think that homo sapiens evolved independently on 3(or more) separate continents do you? Are you meaning to say that We are of different species because of minor superficial differences?

          • Vance

            Hmmph. That’s nothing. Our Native Americans came up through a hole in the ground…or so they say.

            I would not dispute the history you have given. That is how the Chinese society came into being, but the tribes that joined came from somewhere, whose people came from somewhere, whose people came from somewhere…on and on…until whose people came from the Oldivai Gorge in Africa.

          • Bman

            At least they tried a story. 42 just says they ‘came about.’ I must ask what that means.

          • Vance

            Yes. “Came about” does require further explanation.

          • 42

            the definiton of “came about” (past tense) according to the Cambridge dictionary means: to happen, or start to happen

            http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/come-about

            I am starting to teach you english ey? ;-)

          • Bman

            Oh, I thought you meant:
            “He was on a date with Jessica Alba.
            He came about 2 hours later when she stroked his willy under the table.”
            You can now see how your original assertion was confusing?

          • Jahar

            We have Glooscap on the east coast(US and CAN), and the mythology is interesting.

          • Bman

            Vance says Native Americans came out of a hole. I believe I am part alien. But what’s the Han story you’re telling?
            What does ‘came about’ mean? And ‘they formed an awareness?’ Was it an epiphany that nobody has curly hair any more so we are now unique? Or, The Lord has chosen us? If so, that one got lost over the years…
            Please help, I’m confused.

          • 42

            erm, drugs are bad m’kay?

            forming an awareness means they didnt wander the grasslands acting like savages hunting down food and eat them raw, and drag woman by their hairs.

            they formed a cultural identity, something that is called civilization, maybe where you come from that is an unknown concept.

          • Bman

            You mean, the big guy beat up the little guys and stole their women and food, then named his new ‘culture,’ proclaiming himself Lord Leader King Supreme Commander Emperor Whatshisname?

          • Jahar

            Wouldn’t that be when the huaxia people came about?

      • Jahar

        Well, considering “China” is a country, and we are considering prehistory, I doubt they were from China.

  • Dolph Grunt

    Danm! Even 3400 years ago Chinese were bad tourists!

    • Bman

      hahahaha

  • Jahar

    So they traveled all that way to write about the 3rd king and his dog? Good for them.

  • Mihel

    The find could rewrite history, which has always said that European explorers were first to set foot on America.

    What’s the next big “rewrite” of this caliber? Humans originated from Africa?

  • China will re-draw the map again and all the ex-pats in China can apply for Chinese citizenship

  • TheInconvenientRuth

    “Chinese government declares this proof that the USA is actually Chinese territory and demands Washington to hand over power within 10 days.”

    • 42

      actually the United States should hand their land over to the native indians which most of them are still alive. It would be something if one day there would be a native indian american president, that would be far more historic than having a african american president. Native indians are still treated as second class citizens in their own lands! so, Free America! support Native indian independeance!

      • Bman

        I believe the Native Americans are past asking for their land back, they just hope to retain some traditions and be respected. I fully agree with them.
        However they are not the only people treated as second class citizens in their ‘own lands.’ Some countries continue to oppress.
        History is filled with atrocities. Thanks for reminding us that the past sucks, and to not repeat it. I can feel the love you’re giving :)

        • David

          You could not possibly be implying that the Han treat all others in China as second class could you? lol

          • Bman

            First rule about living in China: you don’t talk about China.
            So, umm, I meant the other places. You know, over there…

  • 42

    It has always been known that chinese sea fairer Zheng He was the first who discovered and set foot on the Americas in 1421, the difference is chinese never seek to colonize, however the europeans wiped out the majority of original habitants of America

    This is also the reason why some mexicans seems to have asian appearances and their traditional attire is similar of that of many ethnic chinese traditions, even native indian tradition and customs are somewhat the same as some chinese ethnic groups.

    • Bman

      Interesting. So you’re saying that Chinese people bred with Mexicans and Natives back then, so much so that they altered their ethnic appearance, and then they just left? Somebody’s child support payments are WAY overdue :)

    • David

      Zheng He traveled west from China along Southeast Asia and then India to the middle east. His travels are pretty well documented and he never crossed the Pacific Ocean (his ships probably could not even if he wanted to and he had no reason to even want to).

      • Jahar

        That part is ignored. “Everyone knows” is accepted as a rational argument.

    • guest

      Just to point out it the Vikings that set foot in the Americas before ZhengHe.

      The ZhengHe claim by Gavin Menzies’ sure would make good bedtime reading but in his next book he claims that contact with the Americas was done before ZhengHe with an Atlantian trade route, ca 1500 BC, which kinda defeats this argument that ZhengHe sailed to the Americas first.

  • Guest8

    Sorry, this is BS. There are 24000 such petroglyphs in NM. It’s obvious that a few basic ones you will find in all cultures that wrote stuff on walls.

  • Guest8

    One more point to add: it’s well documented that the petroglyphs are 300-700 years old.

    Sorry, China can’t claim NM as Chinese territory.

    • Alex Dương

      Just so we’re clear, the guy making this claim is not Chinese.

  • Zappa Frank

    I have a clear evidence that chinese were the founders of Florence

    • Jahar

      hahaha

  • Jahar

    There is a tale about a roman legion getting lost, and also a tale about light haired outsiders settling in the west of China 2000-odd years ago. I guess They just made a horrible movie about it starring John Cusack.

  • Bman

    Dude, you’re right!
    I totally see Mr. Garrison!
    Along with a winged horse, turtle, dragon, fiery phoenix, another turtle, and what may be some male genitalia.
    So…what makes this Chinese?

  • Walter S

    3300 years ago? So it was during the Xia dynasty which shang dynasty which came after never mentioned but zhou dynasty which is the following dynasty mentioned it to legitimize itself as descendents of Xia…800 years later. No proof of Xia ever existed except in the 800 year later zhou script…so…ummm, this could be possible forgery. Xia, shang, zhou never had ships to travel far and it would take years to traverse through Alaska down to Mexico….

  • Jahar

    Well, guest, you did a lot of typing just now. Why not get a username?

    • guest

      :P

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