Occupy Wall Street Protesters Cleared Out, Chinese Reactions

by Fauna on Wednesday, November 16, 2011 141 comments comments

From NetEase, QQ (1 & 2), and ifeng:

New York police force out “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators

November 15th morning local time, New York police forcefully cleared out “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators. Clashes occurred between police and demonstrators in a scene of chaos with many people being arrested. At present, it is not clear whether or not there have been any injuries and casualties. New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg issued a statement that day claiming that the demonstrations have already affected the public interest. He also expressed gratitude to the police on duty that day.

[Above] photo is of New York City police ordering Occupy Wall Street movement demonstrators to leave the Zuccotti Park, saying that the sanitation in the park has become a problem, has become a fire hazard, and must be cleared.

In the early hours of November 15th, New York City police initiated its raid, thoroughly clearing out the headquarters of the “Occupy Wall Street” movement in Zuccotti Park in Manhattan. This was the first time the protesters of the nearly 2-month long “Occupy Wall Street” movement have been forcibly removed. During the clearing, about 200 protesters were arrested by police.

During the clearing, several protesters had physical confrontations with police due to their refusal to leave. New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said after the clearing that about 200 people were arrested during the clearing for not cooperating with the police.

After the clearing, demonstrators were allowed to return to Zuccotti Park, but were not allowed to pitch tents or sleep out in the open.

Hundreds of demonstrators again gathered in Zuccotti Park.

An “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrator providing emergency treatment for a fellow demonstrator who was attacked with pepper spray.

Around 1am in the early hours of November 15th local time, over a thousand police officers wearing helmets and armor carrying shields raided the “Occupy Wall Street” movement’s headquarters in Zuccotti Park, successfully forcing out all of the protesters.

Comments from NetEase:

非著名假象 [网易山东省济南市网友]:

Poor people are poor people, always poor people wherever they are.

地球不要污染 [网易加拿大网友]: (responding to above)

I don’t agree on this point. Don’t use this opportunity to defame the United States. Even so-called poor people are not necessarily the same wherever they are. The United States really takes care of the disabled who are unable to work. When it comes to the disabled, city public transportation, long-distance buses, etc. all take care of the very considerately. Therefore, it is simply impossible for someone to become a “poor person” simply by losing their ability to work. Rich and poor are relative here. In certain places, it is however absolute. For example, not having food to eat. Furthermore, the society here is not so snobby like in China, a bunch of Chinese people with only money in their eyes, where “poor people” is a derogatory term that hangs on people’s lips, and where there is no concept of treating people equally, only class thinking and insulting others as one wishes. In history, because the goal in life of certain great artists, thinkers, etc. was not the pursuit of money, they didn’t have much money and were also considered “poor people”, but does that mean their lives had no meaning? With regards to this “Occupy” movement, it isn’t that they don’t allow protest, the main reason is because these protesting people have set up a lot of tents continuously living there taking up public space preventing other people who want to use that park from doing so, because sanitation is bad, and because there can easily be a fire hazard. If you didn’t erect tents and live there like this, I think [the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations] would still be allowed. And there is indeed a number of drug-users who are amongst them. And the method of protest is also not one that everyone supports, and gradually those who don’t support it have already become the majority. Finally, the protestors also aren’t saying they are the poor opposing the rich. They are saying they belong to the vast majority 99% of society, opposing the wrong manipulation of the extreme small minority 1% “elite” that has taken the world in the wrong direction.

小贴土 [网易四川省德阳市网友]:

Americans are so incredible, where even forcefully clearing out people is called democracy and freedom!

ykjccz [网易山东省济宁市网友]:

These so-called “Occupy-ers” don’t have their own political agenda, are occupying only to occupy, clearly just a bunch of ordinary people who have nothing better to do than to make trouble. What more, there has been drug-use, rape, and other crimes. What more, there hasn’t been any shooting of demonstrators, nor has there been anyone sentenced to jail.

霉立贱狗希望 [网易河北省沧州市网友]:

The daily post commenting guidelines for American running dogs and Japanese-loving scum: 1. Exaggerate without limits the conflicts and ills of Chinese society, then attack the government and lower its credibility; 2. Make the most of China’s social problems to provoke netizens’ emotions, the more intense, the better, and direct it towards the political system; 3. Incite netizens to oppose any decisions, actions, and policies of the Chinese government, increasing the difficulty of governance; 4. Play down to the utmost any achievement by China, even if it is the tiniest amount of progress, and strike to the maximum extent against netizens’ confidence in their country; 5. Belittle the Chinese people as much as possible, striking against the people’s self-respect, to avoid the formation of nationalistic sentiment; 6. Use a negative, hopeless despairing attitude to influence Chinese netizens, making it so that they cannot see any hope; 7. On the foundation of depriving Chinese netizens of hope, strongly talk up America and Japan, making Chinese netizens gradually entrust their hope in America and Japan, to achieve the goals of influence and penetration; 8. Anything positive and any positive comments must be attacked and labeled as “wumao” to separate and divide them from ordinary netizens, weakening the influence of those comments. Finally, we must remember one thing, a China with confidence and hope is unconquerable!!!

此心光明亦复何言 [网易四川省内江市网友]: (responding to above)

10086: 5 mao has already been transferred to your account, please confirm… [This commenter is imitating an automated text message sent by a bank to an account holder.]

此心光明亦复何言 [网易四川省内江市网友]:

Sitting here waiting for the wumao wave [could also be "orgasm"] ^_^

汤伯虎 [网易上海市网友]:

I countries where human rights are fully respected, the people have the courage to express their demands and, even in the face of police, have no fear. Because they know the result. Whereas if the results cannot be predicted, no one would dare go “occupy”.

运输大队长 [网易上海市网友]:

The operation begins!

COMNAZIZIM [网易湖南省怀化市网友]:

Why are those homeless people without work or party-affiliation all dressed so handsomely? Aren’t they supposed to be poor, hungry, and have no other choice, and that’s why they’re protesting?!

武林歪传 [网易四川省宜宾市网友]:

No matter how much the media smears the United States, it is still better than China. After all, they can still protest, whereas we can only cheer.

不死葬舞 [网易浙江省金华市网友]:

The first person [on the left] in the first photo is clearly a member of China’s chengguan who has gone over to guide the work of forced evictions and demolitions, something America’s police have been longing for and now they finally dare to take action!

我就是中国龍 [网易浙江省网友]:

Obama and Condoleezza Rice are simply the lowest black dogs amongst humans. And yet there are still so many Chinese slaves who like to go lick and slurp the shit of these two black dogs. Slurping happily. Euphemistically calling it American foreign food. In the past when Grandpa Mao was still around, I was proud of being Chinese. Today, instead I feel embarrassed to be Chinese.

网易广西南宁市网友 [叫兽半仙]:

Whenever Americans want to borrow money they can borrow Chinese people’s money. This is too ridiculous, would you lend money to an opponent you want to strangle every day? So wrong, actually taking our money to go fight wars. Hurry and have the government take back our money.

大陆公民 [网易浙江省金华市网友]:

I trust there is no country in this world whose citizens would believe: That a privileged class that lives in high-end residences, drives cars with special privileges, eats specially provided products, sits in luxury office buildings, spends up to a billion in food and drink, has retinue/entourages wherever they go, whose speech is rigid and stiff, whose sons and daughters are all sent abroad, whose assets are not transparent, who are not subject to supervision and accountability, whose powers are not restricted, all day day residing at the top of society, would serve the people. Yet in this country there are indeed so many stupid cunts who believe this, who even support them, truly so foolish as to be unbelievable!

跟往事干杯0 [网易浙江省宁波市网友]:

America only supports 300 million people. If it were 1.4 billion people, who knows what life would be like there.

网易江苏省南京市网友:

Should’ve been cleared away long ago, this bunch of Democrats are stupid cunts.

juliazhao920 [网易浙江省宁波市网友]:

American officials always say China doesn’t have human rights, but them arresting people like this means they have human rights?? Americans are complete liars.

What do you think?

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sofa sofa sofa, wow surprised the chinese know about occupy america
- dim mak
  
  There was actually an Occupy movement in Hong Kong, but it turned out to be just a few people from a fringe communism group that no one cared about. Not sure if it happens on the mainland, although I doubt the government would let them anyways.
  - kay
    
    you’d think the whole item would be a lot more censored, just like the uprising in egypt and libya
  - pervertt
    
    Hmm, I recall a disgruntled rabble pitched tents and made all sorts of unreasonable demands in Beijing in 1989.
    - Dr. Jones Jr.
      
      Exactly. Julia Zhao’s comment (towards the end of translated comments) is truly funny in light of that.
      
      ‘Human Rights’, as always stressed, do not mean you always get to do anything you want without consequences. ‘Human Rights’, however, gives us expectations like that police aren’t going to beat you up or kill you in the process of arresting you.
      
      Thus, Tiananmen was a violation of human rights (sending tanks against students, as well as shooting them and killing them). Furthermore, it seems that China’s chengguan insist on making sure the abuses of human rights continue on a daily basis.
      
      Conversely, clearing out the Occupy movement from Wall Street, then allowing them to come back and once again peacefully assemble according to their constitutional rights, certainly doesn’t abrogate any of the universal human rights that I’m aware of.
      - Chris N.
        
        In my experience it seems like a lot of Chinese people don’t understand the basic idea of what human rights involve.
        
        I’ve had Chinese students argue that not wearing a seat belt in a car is their human right to choose.
        
        That being treated disrespectfully by being sworn at is against their human rights.
        
        That a government vehicle motorcade, whether it be 50, 10, or 1 extra car leading the way and stopping traffic/pedestrians from moving for a few moments, is against human rights.
        
        Where are they getting these strange ideas of human rights from?
      - mankouzanghua
        
        I’m curious what is your own definition of “human rights”? would it depend at all on your values?
      - pervertt
        
        The Chinese authorities would have been astonished by the incompetent effort of the NYPD clearing Zucotti Park. Why did they let these trouble makers back into the park after all the effort it took to get them out in the first place? Why not teach these counter revolutionaries a lesson they won’t forget? Your police only have nightsticks? Are you serious? We used AK47s and T59 tanks in 1989!
      - Hongjian
        
        In 1989 the 38th and 27th Group Army used Type 88 tanks. Not the Type 59.
        
        Get your fucking facts right, you shit fuck badger cunts.
- Anon
  
  They know about it because the Chinese media has been extremely enthusiastic about reporting it because it doesn’t make America look good. And now that they are being cleared out, most of the comments I’ve seen are like the last one: “So this is America’s so-called democracy and freedom!” Pretty dumb conclusion to reach, I think. I mean, what was supposed to happen- is there really a quick fix to unequal distribution of wealth that the protestors would be satisfied with?
  - Scytheria
    
    “So this is America’s so-called democracy and freedom!” is a truly dumb thing to say about this, I agree.
    
    What most Chinese posters fail to understand is that democracy and freedom extends well beyond the simple ability to sit in a park and make a fuss. These protesters remain free to think and say whatever they want, regardless of being moved away by police. If they wish to speak to the media about their experience, they are free to do so, and the media is free to report their side of the story. They will not be forced to sign a ‘confession’, put under house arrest or imprisoned without trial for decades. They will not be beaten black and blue by the police.
    
    Freedom is so much more than the right to sit somewhere. It is the right to say “no”, not just once, but as many times as you like. Freedom is the right to walk right up to a senator and say “no”. Freedom is the right to listen to others when they say “no” or meet with others who also say it.
    - Anon
      
      I should point out that the comments I looked at were on the Global Times, whose readers are really “special.”
    - Joe
      
      Clearly that ability to sit in a park and protest does not exist because they have been cleared out, so it is not a dumb thing to conclude at all.
      - dalee
        
        they were sitting there for 2 months, and after clearing/cleaning the park were allowed back in. but no tents this time
      - PeterScriabin
        
        Erm, I think they had, and exercised, the right for over a month. There is no absolute right indefinitely to suborn public property for private use.
      - Joe
        
        @PeterScriabin.
        I didn’t realize there was a time limit on how long free speech could be exercised. It’s not private use at all either.
      - PeterScriabin
        
        @Joe Nov 18 8:26 am: The property is in fact more private than I’d realized at the time of my 1st comment. In general, police will remove sleepers from public property, and respond to similar complaints from private property owners who cannot otherwise maintain their property.
        
        But, as you say, there’s no time limit, you just have to find a suitable place. Feel better now? If still not, you could always come and live where I do, in China. Here, our rights to free speech and occupation of public property are so much better protected.
      - matt
        
        “…time limit on how long free speech can be exercised.”
        
        US constitutional law has always treated “time, place and manner” restrictions on free speech differently from restrictions on the content of the speech.
        
        That’s where the China – US analogy falls apart. The OWS movement is running into time, place and manner restrictions (how long they can disrupt the use of a quasi-public space). Protesters in China face content-based restrictions (don’t talk bad about the party).
    - rollin wit 9′s
      
      you forgot to mention being subjected to re-education haha
    - SuperHappyCow
      
      “The media is free to–”
      
      Not really. There was a media blackout during the raid, i.e. not free.
      - Fu ZhiGao
        
        Media blackout?
        
        It happened at 1am without any notification, even among most police officers. It was reported on while it was in progress in the New York Times.
  - Joe
    
    What’s more important was what did happen. Protesters were cleared out. The only difference between OWS and 1989 Tiananmen is that the American protesters just took it up the ass, whereas in China the protesters put up a fight.
    - Joe
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEAY445h7uw
      Free media, huh? It might be free, but it seems like it’s the same mess wherever you watch.
      - Anon
        
        I give up, you’re right, China=America because local news channels used the same wire service for a piece of entertainment news.
      - GodsHammer
        
        Are you joking Joe? The two things are not the same at all. The severity of the response is totally different level. The reason for the response is totally different. Hell show me the parallels besides some people protesting.
      - dim mak
        
        Don’t feed the troll
        He jus mad
    - Anon E Moose
      
      You forgot to include the use of tanks and APCs to “clear” out the dissidents back in 1989.
      
      And any fatalities amongst the OWS ? Purely self-inflicted.
  - 平凡人
    
    Chinese Media / News
    First 15 minutes reporting – Leaders are very busy making sure everything is alright.
    Second 15 minutes reporting – people are happy in the country because of policies implemented and welfare given.
    Last 15 minutes reporting – everywhere else around the world is messed-up with riots, natural disasters and unhappy citizens.
    
    Well that pretty much what the media covers.
  - dawei
    
    “They know about it because the Chinese media has been extremely enthusiastic about reporting it because it doesn’t make America look good. ”
    
    That’s a dangerous game. These people are protesting economic inequality and a lack of political recourse for the common man.
    
    Of course, many Chinese will only see America getting a black eye and cheer that, I guess.
    - Im here
      
      Good point Dawei. OWS only shows the strengh of the American system, free to protest but do to disturb others.
      I have this chat with Chinese friends all the time, they can not believe it. They think is the “police beating people without jobs”, I reluctantly tell them to stop watching CCTV and read other news USA or otherwise to see a “better truth.”
  - http://www.bestvpninchina.com Rod
    
    Yes, Chinese love this stuff. When American looks bad, it just makes them more confident that China will “surpass America” in the next 20 years.
    
    Down with the capitalists!
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Rock the Casbah

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http://wtchina.freeforums.org Elijah

I completely support the Occupy Wall Street protesters. However, the park is privately owned (by a Canadian company) and although no one was told they couldn’t be there, they need to follow public safety regulations.

1) There is a possibly of a fire hazard as the weather gets colder and people try to stay warm.

2) Sanitation is any issue and although most of the Occupiers are eco-friendly and conscious, they do need to clean the park as part of regular maintenance.

3) They were able to return afterwards (although not allowed to sleep there or pitch tents)

What I don’t agree with is the political undertones that seem to fuel this forced eviction. If they had of came in and stated the public safety concerns, I’m sure the vast majority would have volunteered to clear out while they cleaned and the rest would have followed suit.

Personally, I admire this group for being able to self-regulate themselves do to personal morals and ethics (as well as peer pressure – which can be a positive thing).

Pretty sure Michael Bloomberg is part of the 1% and just got tired of being reminded of how shitty things are….
- Kong
  
  They were only allowed to return AFTER the NLG obtained a court order acknowledging that protestors ought to not be held to rules enacted ex post facto.
- Tony
  
  A little more background on the park – The park is a privately owned public space which means the owners must allow the public access to the park at all times though in the agreement I do not believe it allows for camping out. US Steel built the park in exchange for a zoning variance when building their headquarters many years ago. The current owners of the bulidng must abide by this agreement.
- Anon
  
  Michael Bloomberg is worth 16 BILLION or more. Definitely more than a 1% type.
  
  Try 0.01% because the richest man Bill Gates is worth 40 billion.
  - Anon
    
    Scrap the 16, that Mayor’s worth 4.8 billion rather . . .
- SuperHappyCow
  
  That’s such bullshit. The park is privately owned, but violates zoning laws under the condition that people are allowed to use it 24 hours a day.
  
  Also, have you ever seen how many people gather around Times Square on new years, and how incredibly crowded it is?
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wAKGO7yADQ
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_XtXhiekQk
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfhTedZbFCQ
  
  That park look filthy to you? It’s a total ruse, man. : [
- dim mak
  
  Every country has laws against loitering, setting up camp in public places, littering, obstruction of public space etc. And they could enforce those laws to varying degrees depending on what they want to achieve.
  
  You hear the whole “they’re using the rules to oppress us” vs “they’re not being oppressed that’s just that law” shit because most people are politically motivated, simple minded idiots, or more often, both. Truth is usually somewhere in between.
  
  How much they want to crack down depends on the local government’s bias. Calgary for example, insists on letting the protests go on, undoubtedly because the mayor there is a liberal Muslim-Canadian. In Hong Kong most people find it pointless (and aspire to be plutocrats themselves), so there’s little support. Beijing would probably flip out, and all the right wing kids would be right behind them. Thankfully, Chinese people aren’t stupid enough to protest this
dim mak

Yeah right, everyone in America has a political agenda. That’s democracy for you.

On the other hand you could play the 1%-99% card in any country with a free market. The same right-wingers raging about this would have an insecure fit if there was an Occupy Beijing (assuming the government allows it) and pull the same kind of character assassination on the protestors.

Unless you go full communist mode, there’s really no way around it. The only thing to do is try to beat the rich at their own game, and make as much money as you can.
- Dr. Jones Jr.
  
  Your last statement isn’t true.
  
  The protesters are protesting primarily because they feel that over the past three decades or so, the game (the rich play) has become increasingly rigged against the middle/lower classes. The 1% has gradually expropriated more and more control of political processes (corporations as ‘people’); it has removed its obligations to the country’s infrastructure, consumers, and social stability (through vastly lowered taxes, castrated regulatory oversight and unions); and it has removed moral hazard from the games they play with–ultimately–taxpayer money (‘too big to fail’) in order to make yet more money, and power, for themselves.
  
  And then, with all that money sucked into the pockets of military contractors, or perhaps never even collected (given all the loopholes that allow corporations to rid themselves of taxes), we find that there’s a huge deficit and politicians call for austerity for the poor/middle classes, but not austerity for military contractors or millionaires griping about historically low taxes.
  
  Forget beating them at their own game–it’s rigged. And when the people feel there are no other options, you get protest movements like OCW.
  - dim mak
    
    lol, this is exactly what I’m talking about.
    
    America is a 200 year old baby of a country that thinks the world is supposed to be fair. OF COURSE it’s rigged. OF COURSE the 1% are gonna try to keep you down. OF COURSE they want more for themselves. When do they not? If it’s not them it’ll be someone else once they get rich. In China, that’s how things have been for as long as recorded history, and it’s usually accepted as unavoidable consequences of any free market. The only way forward is to be just as devious as the 1% and try to take their places.
  - Bruce Tutty
    
    When peaceful advanced people feel they have no other options, they protest.
    
    Everyone else just revolts.
    
    Take your pick, deal with the nice people now, or let it get worse and deal with the pitchforks.
  - wisty
    
    Some of the protestors are left-wing, some are right wing, lots are centrists. It’s no longer just about private profits (a rising tide *might* rise all the boats, despite what a few long-haired pot-smoking uni students might say) but also about soclialising the losses of the 1%.
    
    Everyone knows that a lot of the bankers *should* have fallen, to make room for people who didn’t screw up as badly.
Will i am

You people need to stop hating the US. Don’t be making any “American” stereotype accusations and disparaging remarks. We’re not responsible for your ills. Stop being a “victim.” Woe is me because of the US.

The Occupy movement is worldwide.
- Anon
  
  And all current and past wars that dent economies and cause massive loss of lives have had US involvement.
  - staylost
    
    Yes, damn those Americans for sacking Constantinople!!!
    
    Those slimy US soldiers also instigated the siege of Troy. It is a fact.
    
    Lastly, during the three kingdoms period, the US were the ones REALLY involved in all the confrontations and lack of harmony.
    
    Yes, all past wars (which by definition dent economies & cause massive loss of life), have had US involvement!
    - Tengu
      
      Don’t forget the Peloponnesian War, Punic Wars, Waterloo and that damn War of the Roses, we can’t keep out fingers out of anything!
      
      Although we have been involved in creating more shit storms that any country before us, but it’s good to have a niche.
      - Bruce Tutty
        
        No, just all the countries you have invaded and messed with in the 20th century
      - Tengu
        
        “Invaded” is one thing…
        
        “Messed with”…I’m trying to think of 10 and I’m coming up blank.
        
        Pull in the all proxies we’ve used to cushion ourselves…every country.
        
        You don’t know the half of it….
    - Magda Carter
      
      “Lastly, during the three kingdoms period, the US were the ones REALLY involved in all the confrontations and lack of harmony.”
      
      Plus, just to emphasize how reallybad America is …. it was on Cao Cao’s side.
      - Anon E Moose
        
        Cao Cao ?
        
        How much more of an American could that guy be ?
        
        After all, wasn’t he the one that came up w/ the line:
        
        “I would rather portray the World, than have the World portray Me”
        
        Talk about the American penchant for self-promotion and re-invention !
      - Bruce Tutty
        
        It’s no good Magda, they don’t even know who they are, let alone understand the evil being done to the world in their name.
jiayi

America! FUCK YEAH!!!!
- Bruce Tutty
  
  who?
roger dodger

well quite a mixed bag of comments from the chinese netizens, one even says, Obama and Condolezza rice are a bunch of Cunts.. woah woah racist cunts.. I admire the occupy wallstreeter, but I think they have to have a goal they can’t be there forever.
- GodsHammer
  
  Yeah, that was pretty wild. How did they get Obama and Condi in on the action? Oh…when you can’t be mad about anything…pick blackness…nobody will fault you. Pussies.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  They can be there forever, it’s called the human race. Besides, they don’t have to take that long, just until the profiteers of misery are kicked out.
Bryan from USA number1

American Guy with Chinese Flag and Mao Hat must be mentally ill if he wants Americans to live like Chinese.
- staylost
  
  Urinating Bryan from America,
  
  I believe he is using irony to parody the perceived Maoism of Obama, which one would guess he strongly disapproves of.
  - Anon
    
    Except that this OWS not a Tea Party rally, and the guy has a certain “useful idiot” look.
    - staylost
      
      Good point unknown one.
      
      I suppose it could go either way. Regardless, 99% of Americans will think he is more than a bit loony just by looking at that picture.
      
      Urinating Bryan does have one good point: I doubt Americans would like to live under a “Grandpa Mao” where their lives are worse than the homeless in America.
      - SuperHappyCow
        
        I’d guess the guy was implying that the police or the government were behaving like communists, or China. He was probably referencing Tiananmen, which is a far cry from OWS.
staylost

Poster 地球不要污染 is someone who can see clearly from far away.

I think it is funny that the Chinese see drug use and rape as reasons to shut it down. We better shut down all the schools in the USA in that case.

Also, it is amazing how many wumao that the Chinese government employs. Maybe half of these posts are dripping with wumaodong sentiment. I guess one nice thing about being an American Running Dog is at least you don’t have to lie when you post.
- Joe
  
  “Rape is dangerous, so it should be shut down.”
  The Chinese are funny.
  
  “Fire is dangerous, so it should be shut down.”
  It’s for their own safety.
  
  Doublethink.
- dim mak
  
  Nope, just plain old internet “patriots” (nerdy shut-ins).
- Bruce Tutty
  
  It doesn’t matter. Intelligent people listen to all, then make their own judgements.
  
  Speeches from governments stopped having much effect in the west a long time ago, it’s just the backwards governments, and peoples, still think we are listening.
  
  Really they are mostly ignored, unless they say something sensible. Obviously this is rare now we don’t blindly follow them like we used to a century ago.
Josiah

At least the NYPD didn’t use tanks.

Low shot I know, but I’m surprised no one else has made the link
- rollin wit 9′s
  
  no dude, it was a good shot. And if you ask me, not low enough.
  in song mode we sing:
  
  shot to park, and your tooo late. You give shots to clearing out protestors w/o the use of tanks a bad name.
  - rollin wit 9′s
    
    should be shot to THE park. fck! lets take it from the top…
    and 1, and 2, and…
- Joe
  
  They don’t need too, because western protesters are weak. The ones at Tiananmen were blockading entire roads, torching buses and taking out military vehicles. The OWS protesters run at the sight of a few tear gas guns.
  
  Chinese protester
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/e-strategycom/1053323505/
  
  American protester
  http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_arts_john/102111drums.jpg
  - liu mang
    
    yea and the result of that was???
  - Chef Rocco
    
    @Joe, wrong comparison. You should compare Tiananmen protesters with Bonus Army, and both results were very similar: military tanks on main streets of the capitals (Tienanmen Square vs. Pennsylvania Avenue).
    
    The OWS protest is just a small case…
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army
    - Joe
      
      Ah yes, the Bonus Army. You will get blank eyed stares bringing that up to most people. I chose the OWS because I knew that if I brought up the Bonus Army incident, the reply would invariably be, “That is irrelevant because it was so long ago.” I know because I have mentioned it several times, and that’s always the response.
      - Anon
        
        You are both Chinese right? I assume you must be to even know about the Bonus Army; maybe I’m bad at history, but it seems to be best known among Chinese people because Li Ao brought it up to justify Tiananmen Square. Or maybe he was just jumping on the bandwagon too.
  - Bruce Tutty
    
    That’s because in some countries such a protest is a military action, and in some countries it’s a legal action. Occupy is a legal challenge not a violent action.
    - mr. weiner
      
      Li Ao? I hate that guy, grandstanding little bastard that he is.
thunderkat211

Whats with the guy holding the Chinese flag?
- Tengu
  
  He’s expressing solidarity; he bought it on eBay or Alibaba.
  
  “But It Now”, “Free Shipping!”
http://www.iseastars.org iSeaStars

class war mmmkay?

lulz @ the flag waving china daily guy, nice hat brah
- Bruce Tutty
  
  this isn’t a class war, it’s a greed war against those that make far more money than they deserve for the amount of work they do.
  
  I’m all for profits, but profiteers should be made penniless.
- http://www.proxyforchina.com Rod
  
  Yeah, I don’t get what it has to do with China – any idea what his point was?
Tengu

The OWS protestors in Boston took the City to court. they won, they can’t be removed for unless it’s approved by the court.

No word if any dudes wearing Mao hats carrying a Chinese flag and a copy of “China Daily” were involved. We’re liberal to a point…we’re not nuts!
- http://www.iseastars.org iSeaStars
  
  Awesome, I was born in Boston. The guy with the Mao Hat is straight cookies. Reminds me of the ISO (International Socialist Organization) creeps that tried to co-opt the Anti- Iraq War movement back when I was at DC rallies. The ISO is essentially a neo-Leninist cult supported by a handful of writers from Haymarket Books who employ “members” to push their literature on people.
  
  Anyways, big ups to OWS, hope some of the police brutality charges come to light.
bando

They also have an Occupy Melbourne group where it seems some of the protestors were reported to giving pot to young kids, letting them sniff glue inside their “camps”, and even preying on young girls
- mr. weiner
  
  Sounds like I missed good party! All my mum told me about what was being reported on the news is that they were pissing everywhere in the Fitzroy gardens.
- Capt. WED
  
  They ain’t smoking my weed… I am the 1%, actually I’m just high as fuck.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  The news reports look like heresay, and the police haven’t laid any charges or anything…sounds like just someone trying to discredit the camp for their own ends.
- Austin McCree
  
  These kinds of things happen in normal every day Western society otherwise, so this is not noteworthy nor an exception. I assume Australians to not pointlessly fear monger the way the USA media does, but are you trying to prove otherwise?
  - mr. weiner
    
    We can fear monger with the best of them, but I don’t see anyone doing it here sport.
Magda Carter

霉立贱狗希望, that’s a helluva comment. Forget 5毛，that’s 1元’s worth!
typingfromwork

Well,when it comes to Chinese people having opinions on America it’s all “don’t hate on America” and “stop stereotyping us” and shit. What the hell have you been doing all the time on this site? Shit sure is hypocritical.

The comments from Chinese sites hold a mix of opinions, some supportive, some dismissive of OWS- pretty much just like any other place on the net. I for one am ambivalent about it- it was a good idea when it started, but public support waned quickly, and now it’s just a few people clinging onto their tents repeating the same old retoric ad nauseum without offering any concrete solutions. Some people with a thermal camera at the site in London found out that 90% of the tents were unoccupied at night- which really makes me question what they are trying to do there. Seems like the publicity overtook the message here.
- SuperHappyCow
  
  Public opinion waned according to who? I have seen different numbers that were as recent as last week.
  - typingfromwork
    
    They are waning over here. Europe has been pretty muffled in following the OWS- but then again, we have some serious shit going down here too. It’s hard to be interested in the Occupy movement when your politics increasingly resemble a season of Big Brother.
    
    From what I see I suppose the OWS movement is spreading in America. However I don’t really see mass rallies by large sections of the population- all I see are confrontations by a vocal minority against the police. And even after this long period of protests there STILL are no concrete proposals or leadership to it. I know that’s kinda the point but in order to be taken seriously as a political force for the people they at the very least need to do have focus, rather than still acting as the village angry mob, with a lot of pent up energy but nowhere to spend it.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  The thermal camera thing was just propaganda, the tents were shown to be thermally resistant and not give out a heat signature. What you would expect a tent designed for an English winter to do really.
dawei

“These so-called “Occupy-ers” don’t have their own political agenda, are occupying only to occupy, clearly just a bunch of ordinary people who have nothing better to do than to make trouble. ”

Is this fine citizen implying that it is OK for those with a political agenda to make trouble?

Wait, no, of course that’s bad, too.

If only these protesters were more harmonious in their disdain for economic inequality.
- Anon E Moose
  
  Frank Miller sez it best:
  
  http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/11/12/frank-miller-to-ows-go-home-to-your-parents-you-losers/
  
  “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.”
  
  Funny how subsequent generations after Wood-Stunk seek to revivify the ’60s.
  
  But hey, Free Speech and all that.
  - megan
    
    lol please. Frank Miller hasn’t made anything of consequence since the Dark Knight Returns. And the fact that he didn’t even know what WoW is invalidates anything he has to say. Crazy, racist, misogynstic old man.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  Protest is politics
- 404namenotfound
  
  Ok so what i still don’t understand is: why isn’t NATO arming American protesters like it did in Libya & now Syria? O.o
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liu mang

protesting is basically a waste of time. these people should study the 60′s and 70′s people.

and get lawyers and start going after those companies they want to destroy or take down.

down with the man!!!
- Bruce Tutty
  
  This is the point of Occupy method, it’s the easier, fastest way to get this to trial!
  
  The movement isn’t about occupying places, that’s just the starting point. The real movement will begin the happen when these people are taken to court, and the real powermongering begins.
  
  This isn’t about the physical, but the mental war against the financial dictatorship the world is chained to.
g-hutong

1. the wumao crew really amazing for their logical ability to link anything to pro-China.

2. (not saying I will but) I can go down to my local Occupy movement and pick up the best drugs. What does that say?
- Just John
  
  That you can finally get some good weed, instead of the Mexican Brown you’ve been smoking?
  - hooots
    
    Hey don’t hate on Mexican weed. That’s some good shit. I miss it dearly.
    - dim mak
      
      Canadian weed is far superior.
      - Tengu
        
        Little known fact, some of the finest is a Burmese strain grown in Tennessee; when they’re not noodlin’ they’re growing some amazing ganja. Biggest cash crop in the state.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  That you can pick them up anywhere really….says more about US society than the Occupy movement
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peasant

March!
Appalled@everything

If only they had accepted Stephen Colbert’s Superpac money then all this would have made for more entertaining political satire on his show and less boring police brutality.
SuperHappyCow

I am entirely certain that the Chinese people denouncing the protestors are thoroughly educated about derivatives bets, naked credit default swaps, sub prime loans with exploding interest rates, and 0 percent interest rates, and how those tools are used by financial rapists to loot the global economy.
ACE

White Trash countries have always claimed to be role models for the world regarding so called ‘capitalism’ and ‘democracy’. In fact it’s just a full load of Bull Shit. What these white trash does under the disguise of ‘human rights’ are to create discontent,spread their useless shameless practices and will attack any countries that doesn’t have the means to defend themselves. Afghanistan,Iraq and Libya are some examples that these white trash only goes in to kill and rob and still these trash talk about ‘human rights’! White Trash are devils in disguise and can NEVER BE TRUSTED NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS! It’s in their genes. That is why CHINA and RUSSIA must teach and KICK these SOBs arses one fine day to let them know they should stay home and mind their own business. The world would be better off without these bastards!
- Austin McCree
  
  Yes, and most of the people protesting would actually agree with many points of your paragraph, no matter if they’re white or not. I think you’re a little confused here, maybe?
  - Tengu
    
    Last time I was in Moscow…they were white.
    
    You consider that a paragraph with “points?”
    - Boris
      
      Try being black in Moscow. That’s not a laughing matter.
- dim mak
  
  >America
  >White
  nope.jpg
  We’re up against a brown America in 30 years
  - Bruce Tutty
    
    make a pleasant change from the rednecks
- Bruce Tutty
  
  what country does this person come from?!
  
  I think you better watch a bit more news, this reads like a rant from the communist 60′s
  
  I agree the US and the Soviets shouldn’t have used Afghanistan as their playground of war, but the Libyan resistance asked the world for help as they were being slaughtered. Iraq was also seeing massacres, but the world wanted to send in peacekeeping troops until Bush jr decided to start a war there.
  
  You’re speaking like a racist, and a confused one at that is seems.
Austin McCree

I am not going to use Google Translate to turn this into Chinese, but I have to let you guys know you’re wrong about the true intentions of the protesters.

They are not complaining about being poor and hungry. They are complaining they live in a corporate society which is ruled by white lies. Our government not only exploits its own people, but exploits cheap labor around the world, including in China. Most Americans are aware of this and do not like the way our government treats other countries. That is what they are protesting, it’s called “Occupy Wall Street” because Wall Street (corporations, large private banks) have paid our politicians. We continue to do things which destroy the cultures of other nations and our planet, while saying that we are instilling “freedom” and “democracy.”

You must truly be arrogant to think that these Americans protesting are not on the self awareness level as you. When you actually learn what the protests are about, feel free to comment, but until then you should rethink what you’re saying.
- Tengu
  
  Nicely said…Amen brother.
- Chef Rocco
  
  I just read a statement and are wondering whether it is representative of the political agenda of these occupiers?
  
  United States’ Occupation of Wall Street told people in the world Declaration:
  Our people are the masters of the country, what are the people? Yes, people are members of the main body as the basic social working people, ordinary people of a country, different from the few privileged. The reality is the opposite of truth, the people doing very much, take the few people privileged to grant rights to administer the country, but managers will be representative of the people entrusted to the people of contingency into slavery whip, will set their children’s happiness in blood and tears of the people above them to the power of the vertical to horizontal capital and build a modern version of the capitalist countries the caste system. They denied the gift of power to civilian children. Caste system has been extinct in the country, re-emergence of such a miserable state of the prehistoric culture is incredible, it is outrageous! Political atavism surprisingly speechless, people can no longer tolerate the taste of slavery, we do not make a mighty, noble, capitalists, workers, we have to re-do the masters of this country!
  Today, the mighty, noble, joint to the extreme capitalists, social corruption to the extreme, people suffer to the extreme.
  Capitalists and other mighty noble, though small in number, but in order to have succeeded in maintaining their own special interests, exploitation of the majority of civilians who the public interest, the first is knowledge, and the second is money, and the third is the use of force. The best education is a noble capitalists the patent, the general civilian population, absolutely no chance to get by. They have unique knowledge, then give birth to a wise and class. Money is the life of the plan through, everyone could have been made, but those who have knowledge of the nobles and the capitalists, the whole of what is “capital intensive” of all another way, money will gradually flow into the hands of the privileged and the boss. They both land and machinery, housing, reverted to their own, called “fixed property.” In turn called the “active property” of money, the income of their treasuries (bank), so they work for millions of civilians, only only a sporadic give Franco a pence. Since there is no work for money, then give birth to the rich and the poor class. Aristocratic capitalists with money and knowledge, they even set up a training camp, set up military-made gun. By “thugs” signs, so that dozens of divisions, hundreds of United to recruit them. Worse more along the lines of pumping small way, made signs, that what “conscription.” So strong son of a soldier, is confronted with the problem is carried out of the gun. We look at the Wall Street target of repression, not of their own grasp how much I hit it? Aristocrats and capitalists use such magic bullet, civilians would not dare say anything, then give birth to the strength of the class.
  Now is the time to re-do the masters of this country when people unite to change the injustice is possible, we want to be themselves equal, are not you a traitor charity equality, equality is not “equal start”, but also must include “the distribution of equality “, we want to” maximize the minimum welfare benefit “, the lowest level of society to improve people’s lives and welfare, the economy is not your captive rogue advocated: With the big assets, rely on” trickle-down effect. ” In the 1960s, the East China has done the best; their people truly have equality, including “the ability of equality”, the lower hair did increase the ability of workers, is the need to give them access to education, political participation opportunities to improve their confidence. In India, lower caste people the ability always low, because they have no chance, and no confidence. And Mao’s China at the grassroots level to increase the ability of workers on this point, but also the world’s best. Moreover, Mao’s China, India, less than one million people died, is because the Chinese grass-roots people’s benefits be fundamentally improved. This is a very glorious history of mankind’s achievements. What we want is that of equality, such as natural rights! ! !
  We want to know what the world, this easy to. There are not easily, and that is because the forces of eleven history if it can be habit-we cry in unison, will break this historical forces, more large joint, you hear of our disapproval, we list up the ranks to against the side shouted. We’ve got the experiment. Police bullets hit the Wall Street giant body forever, but a call from us, we should conduct our coalition! State by our country, our society who society, producers of our production! We are 99% of the world, the cake should we do to lead by our distribution, we must be open and transparent, not dirty deal to end the hypocrisy of greed game, creating a broad popular participation in politics and policy of civilization, our world gold our brilliant new world, in front!
- dim mak
  
  Oh I know exactly what they’re protesting about, that’s why it’s so stupid
  
  Capitalist, corporate society is the only kind proven to work over time. And it’s ALWAYS corrupt, ruled by lies and rich elites trying to keep you down. You cannot run a competitive business if you don’t exploit cheap labor while your competitors are. They’ll undercut you and you’ll be run out of the market. OWS is running on some kind of assumption where morals has any part in how the world is run.
  
  Breaking news: this is how it’s always been and probably how it always will be. The only improvement is for a government to have tight control over its businesses, the way China does. But that doesn’t sit well with the Western “freedoms” crowd. So this is what you get. For the individual, all you can do is try to out compete those around you and secure that good life… for yourself.
  - Boris
    
    If what you say is true, we’d still have the slave trade. Thank God people are campaigning against corporate greed. People can do almost anything if they put their minds to it. ‘I’m alright Jack’ is a lie. You can’t be ‘alright’ when others around you are suffering. It’s a delusion. Man is an empathetic social animal. It’s part of our nature to care.
Tehx

I am surprised that not all of these Chinese comments were America bashing. Nice.
DRaY

Americans have lost their minds. Occupy nothing movement!! No demands, no leadership, no nothing…. Just angry white people, too politically correct to even say what they want to say. Say the shit is Fucked and burn down wallstreet. Grow some fucking balls already
- Bruce Tutty
  
  Burn Wall Street?
  
  The point is peaceful occupation as a symbol, and it’s protesting against the sort of people that act purely for their own selfish reasons…Like those getting violent, or burning down buildings.
  
  Get with the program or stay out of the way is the message.
  
  Telling people to grow some balls is good coming from someone or seems to be doing nothing but sitting on their arse whining.
  - 404namenotfound
    
    Ever heard the saying ‘action speaks louder than words’?
beierliangxiong

Having police that work for the people ensures human rights. The police, I believe, even though it may be hard for some to see, were protecting the rights of those people and everyone surrounding. What if nothing had been done and a fire had broken out and injured protesters or even set neighboring buildings on fire? Then the government would be in serious trouble for not ensuring the safety of the legal protesters. The protesters were given plenty of time (2 months I read) to make their point. The point was made, or at least it was clear that things were not going to progress. What about the rights of those in favor of a clean, non-stinking, non-hazardous public park? The police did what they had to do. And don’t forget… the protesters who cooperated were allowed back into the park to continue their protest after the clean-up was finished but were not allowed to set up camp, which is against the law in the first place. Could you imagine the Chinese government allowing people to protest for two months and then say, “The area in which you are protesting has become hazardous, in order to make your chosen demonstration venue safer for us all, we will clean the area at our own expense and those who do not make trouble may return.”? Would never happen! Even in such turmoil no one’s rights were lost. However, I don’t think it was necessary for the demonstrators or the police to act violently. Protests can be made without being harmful and/or sloppy and still accomplish a great deal. Take Gandhi, for instance.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  …or the Dalai Lama.
- Bruce Tutty
  
  The real one I mean, not the political figure the Chinese Government put in.
- http://www.proxyforchina.com Rod
  
  I think the point was that their demands weren’t met and nothing changed, so it was obvious that two months wasn’t enough time, and that their tactics weren’t working.
Baroquian

San Francisco’s Occupy movement is pretty weak compared to this.
Nice!

Only in America will you have the top 1% break the law by committing fraud, manipulation, and stealing TRILLIONS of taxpayers money compounded by getting HUGE bonuses but jail peaceful protesters in the name of health and sanitation. America is a joke and I feel ashamed of being an American. Hope and change you can believe in.
Michael

It’s funny how everyone misses the point. When the middle class and poor have no choise, because the government thinks it knows best, after all it’s failings. People have enough, they voice their voices. But remember, Americans are everyone. from every country. Use this term lightly as many are from your country too. Time to end big government, big spending and taking from the walking banks, Americans. Stop borrowing from other countries and pay our bills, Work for the people not the 1% of the rich that control 40% of the USA’s money. It has only become a game to them to see who can top who. The worlds people are not the few big dogs, it is you and me. Just wanting to live in peace, happy and healthy. Give the country back to the people, give us back the Bill of Rights.
John Y.

At least they didn’t roll out tanks?
- 404namenotfound
  
  Because its ok to beat and pepper spray people, just as long as you don’t roll out tanks.
kodi

If America had 1.4 billion I am sure 1/5 of them would die from internal conflict, we would throw 1/5 in jail, use 2/5 to fight in overseas conflicts, and still end up with about 300 million living free in the continental USA.

Bringing protesters to jail and releasing them the same day is not the same as running over them with tanks and shooting them with semi auto rifles. Democracy is where people actually mean something and the top is forced to recognize when the bottom has grievances. Thats why Chinese must get online and voice their opinions instead of meeting face to face with authority to voice it out in the open. That is the difference. Voice opinions from the shadows only because you are allowed to do so. The people in Tiananmen 1989 were heros with balls bigger than any city folk in CHina these days. Protest is frequent in China even today, but it is mostly carried out by country side peasants and factory workers who are shouldering the burden of building this great country with little or no thanks. Grow some balls people. Jiang jie shi lost the battle, but he won the war.
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Liang

i am chinese, and think these protestors are ridiculous. do we must have pity, any country, not just US or China, on people who beg for food? for good or ill, globalization is dominant in this world, and capitalism is a dog-eat-dog system. If they are so disgusted, they should not hold these childish protests, but move to a non-capitalist society.

americans are just so arrogant, thinking just by ranting on streets they can get what they want. These people are not rebel-heroes, but simply traitors to their country. They should not endlessly blame government for ills of nation – but rather themselves, the people.