American Explains Why He’s Returning to China After Leaving

On Sina Weibo:

@财经网: Young American That Just Left Beijing Comes Back: America Can No Longer Be Endured: Migrant to Beijing George previously decided to return to his home country and even previously made a big deal about reluctantly parting with friends as he stepped on the path to return home. Just after two months, he’s returned. His reasons include not being used to using coins and having to live in his parents’ basement. He feels only China is suitable for a loser like him: No longer have to give tips, and can also freely download music. http://t.cn/zjiaeE5 [links to George's article on the Beijinger]

China's Caijing magazine microblog shares a satarical article from TheBeijinger about why an American is coming back to China.

Comments on Sina Weibo:

老-铁锤:

That’s for sure, and what’s more important is that there is higher-than-Chinese-national status! Don’t need to spend money for an endless supply of diaosi girls.

伊晓森:

Yep, Beijing is the most suitable place for classic good-for-nothing white trash to be, with various higher-than-Chinese-national preferential treatment and status!

花少年梁阿寶:

[哈哈] China is suitable for losers to live in~

暴怒天鹅:

Satirizing [making fun of] the USA?

黑色_幽默_Z:

Satirizing [making fun of] China [哼]

哪吒:

And can freely download music! Fucking high-level satire there!

媒体人肖执缨:

Freely download… Is this showing approval or is it being sarcastic? [挖鼻屎]

察士:

Foreigners in China live more comfortably than Chinese people.

壶中仙:

In my opinion, the key thing is something this American loser is embarrassed to say: In China, there are always girls throwing themselves into his arms dreaming of getting a Green Card. [挖鼻屎]

生活成本太高:

You can’t download music from websites in China when abroad? Requesting explanation!!!???

葱葱那点事儿:

An American wumao?

Tim-O_O-:

Dies of lung cancer a year later.

YL17270800:

China is heaven for the entire world’s losers, America is heaven for the entire world’s rich. [嘻嘻]

手机用户2914500241:

All kinds of satire.

思随悠远:

Is this good or bad?

阿科斯:

China has thoroughly changed him.

李珊瑚3102679551:

Satirized China, at least Beijing.

老何1897:

This too is a lazy American youth, shouldn’t be the mainstream [typical American].

激动学子:

High-end satire.

阿翎-Tom:

Not having to give gratuity, this reason is very true!

赵佳乾:

The main point of the article is: I’m an American, I can live wherever I want.

抓老鼠的大黄四郎:

Does he want Chinese permanent residency? I can offer to exchange with him!

贵州茅台镇大酱坊酒业:

China isn’t short on losers! There’s no need to import losers!

偏北风行:

Is this person real?

Y衞華:

His point is that China doesn’t have copyright protection.

男人厨:

If I had an American passport, I too would be willing to live in China.

蓝莓奶酪盖浇饭:

Laowai in China, as long as they can speak English, as long as they have white skin, then work and women are no problem at all, and they don’t even have to work for it.

Horcrux_Phoneix:

And can freely download music… Seems like this was a slap to China’s face.

晏_supertramp:

No shit, laowai come to China and are treated like kings, can can even ride public transportation for free every day, what’s there not to like?

jbipad:

Is this real or fake?

Hi_Aslan:

And can also go to nightclubs to fuck those foreign-worshipping stupid cunts.

晨风1979:

He only sees having to spend money in America but doesn’t see this being a money-making opportunity. Why doesn’t he go collect tips from other people?

Bert-chow:

Don’t blame America just because you can’t make it there, blame yourself for being a disappointment! When you can’t even accept other people’s customs of tipping, it just shows that you don’t understand other people’s culture, and China will start charging for downloading music next year as well! This kind of person can go anywhere and find it unsuitable, totally a pampered and spoiled little prince! I seriously despise this person!

太阳kelvin:

Every Chinese pussy wants to bring their foreign boyfriend (best if white, but if no other choice then black can be acceptable too. If Asian, must have a [foreign] accent) to a nightclub. American losers can roll around in different bedsheets every night. Losers who aren’t used to women paying them [to be with them] can also easily find a foreign teacher position at English training schools to make a living.

严家有女初长成:

When 2012 happens, in China he is a first-class citizen, and can get a ticket for the ark.

李文才_愛正妹:

How could he have the same level of popularity/welcome in Imperialist America as in China?! I’ve been saying those who go to the mainland to be foreign teachers are all people who couldn’t hack it in America.

木头-当当:

Can no longer put up with American women covered in hair and also being smelly? [鄙视]

罗Jeff:

Is this complimenting us or ridiculing us?

MOSES_THE_SHEPHERD:

Fool is paying taxes to two country at the same time.

fyf1028:

Haha, amusing. This guy better not go to the South, otherwise he’ll also have to put up with coins~

狗小剩儿他姥爷:

How many of this kind of loser laowai are there throughout China, relying on being able to speak a language they’ve known since they were children and relying on their blonde hair blue-eyed foreign devil appearance to get by.

我叫光头:

If I were a Westerner, I’d also stay in China. First-class citizen!

_lolilo:

The higher-than-Chinese-national status and treatment they enjoy is not only seen in government policies but also in our self-loathing and self-belittling borne from years of reverse discrimination education.

常同学竟然也在北漂:

Westerners in China don’t have to worry about finding women.

卖木头的人:

It was too lonely in America.

Captain_Duke:

These days can be considered to be a little better. If it were several years ago, Beijing and Shanghai were paradises for foreigners.

冰河-落日:

Must not let him return.

CarpeDiemDK:

China’s pirated goods industry is indeed very developed!

bbfeechen:

If China and the US were to exchange their losers, it’d be win-win.

tv姜韬:

Prices are cheap in China, and the exchange rate between USD and RMB is 1:6… And there are probably a lot of other “special rights” and preferential treatment…[挖鼻屎]

TurboBrain:

American losers in China are also considered tall, rich, and handsome.

遊-戲-:

24K pure loser, without a single impurity.

许铭之:

The main problem is that Imperialist America doesn’t have that many stupid girls for this loser to have sex with as he pleases~

Chfeng-chen:

Honestly, China is not suitable for Chinese people to live, and is more suitable for foreigners to live.

快乐的J小J:

Hahaha, so cute. Giving tips in America is truly really troublesome. Having to give tips at any given time at any given place.

qixinx:

Spending USD in China, and Chinese people love idolizing/worshiping the foreign too.

Lovelykashmir:

Welcome back to enjoy over 200 PM air. [哈哈]

逝水流云11:

Hehe, gotten used to China’s characteristic lifestyle, hard to change now~ [嘻嘻]

比格斯莫克:

The Heavenly Kingdom has indeed become heaven for foreign garbage.

赤阑桥南:

China’s elites head to America, America’s rejects come to China…

一本正经的扯淡:

China’s visa policy needs to be amended, to close this loophole. Visas should only be given to American girls, and males without females accompanying them should be uniformly rejected! sinister

MrFillico:

You’ve been made into a diaosi, who finds having more freedom uncomfortable! Congratulations, you can now be a qualified Chinese [national]~

囧宽:

There will be even more American rejects coming to China in the future.

刘嘉宏A:

High level satire.

nanjibing9:

Only in a foreign-worshipping country like China will you have this kind of story.

-冯少武:

You sure he just wants to freely download music?

Gallardo_Z7:

This is a “total loser”: Lived in Beijing for five years but doesn’t know Chinese. Goes back to America but can’t find a job, and lives in his parents’ home but isn’t willing to clean up his own room. Because he misses being able to hire an ayi [domestic help], not paying tips, being able to freely download videos, as well as being put on a pedestal by our countrymen, so he has again returned to China, to teach the children of the rich, getting 300 yuan per hour. If China can only attract this kind of loser…

网路冷眼:

Ah, so China is paradise for foreign losers? [吃惊]

风华牡丹:

[哈哈] China is indeed suitable for these kinds of losers. They feel China is the most free, that as long as they don’t break the law, no one will bother them!

罗娴CAFA:

China’s rich have all ran off to America, while America’s poor losers have all come to China~~~ [哈哈]

猫科动物Nicole:

Reverse racism/discrimination should count as China’s fifth great invention, right?

墨香-舒夜:

A place like China is home for diaosi

河边有粒牛奶糖:

Foreign trash, might as well come to China then. After all, China will not kick you out, and there are many people who will welcome you.

河边有粒牛奶糖:

What can you do? There are still a lot of people who are crazy about this kind of LOSER, and 300 kuai an hour too! Many of our highly-educated youth can’t command this kind of prices! The Heavenly Kingdom is truly lamentable.

青盲之微录的青春:

Communism warmly welcomes you [哈哈]

妈妈说名字长了记不住:

No matter if he sells fish, sells meat, scavenges garbage, or is a beggar, as long as he is blond and blue eyed, he can put on a suit and attend conferences, take off his suit and get pussy, open his mouth and be said to have an authentic London accent, even have the police help him and cheer him on when raping women on the streets, get condoms as gifts when leaving, and get a free airline ticket when being repatriated. All very flattering. Only one way to describe it — To be foreign!

Hello_Paris:

Those who are doing well in their own countries usually don’t go to China.” Exactly.

理财e神吕彬:

I think it will soon no longer be possible to [freely] download music in China as well.

大吴寒子:

This kind of person who can’t find work and survive in their own country is of course willing to return to China, because no matter how lousy they are, a foreigner can still get by in China… [鄙视][鄙视][鄙视]

丁三白: [George Ding himself]

Caijing seems to have failed to understand my column…

What do you think? Do you think foreigners (especially Westerners) generally enjoy a “better” or “worse” life in China? Why?

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  • vincent

    Well at least he knows how to prioritize lol

  • Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    Freedom of speech is not a big deal if one cannot get laid

  • Snickers

    sofa

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=680635970 Aaron Randolph

    “So I told my manager at Starbucks to shove it, took $40 from my parents’ cash drawer, and bought a one-way ticket back to the only place that could handle a pimp like me.

    And what can I say? It’s nice to be back. It’s nice to not tip and not be harangued by the waiter or chased out of the restaurant by the maître d’.It’s nice to illegally download movies and not have Comcast cut off your Internet. It’s nice to not have to use coins.”

    Last time I checked, Applebees didn’t have a “maitre d” This sounds like wu mao to me

    • Alphy

      LOL wow, ya and why does he have to use coin again? I was always under the impression that we use plastic a lot more than cash, at least in a much larger proportion than in China.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=680635970 Aaron Randolph

    And I believe that is a SOFA for me :)

  • thmswhnr

    Cheers to George for making it on Chinasmack. I had the honor of meeting this fine satirist back in my Beijing days.

    • vincent

      He’s hilarious, any chance he might join the ChinaSmack community? Or is he already here incognito?

      • Kai
        • vincent

          Thanks Kai :)

          • George Ding

            @thmswhnr:disqus @disqus_vr53A7xqWx:disqus: Thanks for the kind words. Means a lot.

          • vincent

            Oh hey I enjoyed reading your articles, but seriously you gotta be more careful when you get a haircut haha :D

          • George Ding

            Haha, wish you had told me that years ago.

          • filabusta

            Great article. I loved the stir it created. Chinese people need to be eased into satire, I guess.

          • thmswhnr

            Evidently, so do a lot of cS readers.

          • terroir

            Dear Bi-Culturally Curious George,

            allow me, terroir of teh internets, to compliment you on your mighty trolling. However, as a scientist of only the most hilarious humor I must object to your joke. It sucks. It wouldn’t even work on an episode of “King of Queens”.

            China is an unfunny place full of strict culturally mandated rules in which a society based on “face” and illusions accepts everything at face value. Dude, I get that you’re going for the “hipster douche” self-aware smirk; the problem is that you didn’t go “douche” enough.

            As a result of the use of satire that only flutters a few inches above the heads of most Chinese, they won’t get your joke. That you wrote in Chinese. On Chinese Weibo. No, they’ll just accept that an American (who of course is white) is a “looser” and is skulking back to China to panda-pander the money teat. Not only did your satire not work, it further inflames and deepens the gulf that you first sought to a) satirize and b) deconstruct.

            You didn’t “joke about the machine”; rather, your joke is part of the “machine”. I would turn your attention to the 300+ comments seen here, none of them much agreeing with each other, some even bringing up WWII and Russia. Your joke didn’t elicit guffaws so much as it coaxed forth a deep running vitriol of misunderstanding.

            Maybe “a bag of dicks” is never able to draw forth gentlemanly discussion, but people laughed that’s what the nature of humor is *takes a sip from my brandy glass*

          • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

            Terroir…as Barney Stinson would say “I REQUEST THE HIGHEST OF FIVES!” Long time, no see.
            George.. you seem like a nice enough guy….but as they say in Texas “If you’re as good as you say you are, you ain’t braggin.” Terroir ain’t braggin. He’s a funny motherfucker. Maybe you guys can meet up for lattes. In the meantime, I’ll try to coin an original quote of my own.

          • terroir

            Hey dude, up goes the surf?

            I’m honestly not that funny; that’s just the way my seething disdain for the world at large gushes forth.

            As well, I should clear the air for once and for all: I’m not a real scientist; I only have a bachelor’s in humor.

            And it’s only from a university in Mexico. In an internet correspondence course. That I paid for only with blood transfusions. From an emaciated fourteen year-old Chinese hobo girl. Who is starving herself to properly go on dates. With actual scientists.

            Sorry.

          • George Ding

            Hi @terroir:disqus, I just want to clarify something. I wrote the original piece in English for my monthly column in The Beijinger. I did not translate the piece into Chinese or post anything on Weibo about it other than my monthly plug for the column.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Hey George Man,

            Yes, you are right. This information was not clear (to me) at the beginning; to an English speaker this is not stated at all. I must retract everything I said about you writing for a Chinese audience (you don’t speak Chinese, do you? This is the voice of your dad speaking). I guess I could read your story, but at this point there’s not much point.

            So, while I’ve got you may I inquire:
            a) would you say your def comedy jam is not suitable for a Chinese audience?
            b) having it happen to you, would you say that translation without context is improper? Like, here at this site?
            c) that said, was this whole phenomenon worth it for the attention and hits?

            Dude: buck up and quit it with the “lousy self-image” angle. It may provide for some material now, but not only are you killing yourself, other readers are going to do it for you.

          • George Ding

            Hey @terroir:disqus, thanks for the questions. I do speak Mandarin.

            a) I don’t think that it’s “not suitable” per se. It’s just that the context was lost. If the article were clearly presented as satire of “loser foreigners” or whatever, the reaction might have been different. Judging from the comments I’ve read, there is plenty of resentment / humor directed against these kinds of foreigners.

            Which is partly why I didn’t want this on the Chinese Internet. My goal was to get foreigners to think about how they might look in Chinese eyes—not to stoke Chinese resentment against foreigners. I live here, remember?

            b) Great question. Even if it might cause misunderstanding, I don’t think context should always be explained, as it’s kind of like saying, “That was a joke…” after telling a joke. And I don’t like people who do that.

            Ideally, people would try and understand the context themselves but who am I kidding?

            c) I’d say this hullabaloo was worth it, not for the attention and hits (because I don’t get paid for that shit) but for what it’s taught me about people, fame (insofar as this counts), the Internet, and the way I deal with criticism and scrutiny. I won’t bore you with personal reflection but overall it’s been a positive experience. If I had gotten human flesh searched, my reaction might be different.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            Hey George Man,

            I only suggested that you don’t speak Mandarin because a commenter above said it. And I nearly believe every single thing I read.

            a) My criticism of the weibo is because I thought you wrote it specifically for an Chinese audience; I was going to give bonus points for the use of third-person perspective, but now it looks like we agree (nuts!) that this shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

            b) I don’t mean to explain yourself for everything that you do. If one is a good orator/comedian, the craft is such that if it is successful, it will work.

            I mean that if something is translated, it requires the proper context to be understood properly. The day is coming when the Babelfish from Hitchhikers’ will become a reality; as Adams states, the Babelfish will single-handedly act as the cause for the majority of the intergalactic wars to come. (lasers! mechs! frakkin’ toasters!)

            Meaning: knowledge from another culture, like say Chinese news portal sites, is meaningless and even detrimental without the cultural context to properly understand it. Caijing took your story and hijacked it to fulfill their own agenda;

            China being the way it is, your story became the ammo for the gun from which power comes out of, or something. You might not care, but you’ve been… (puts on sunglasses) appropriated.

            c) This story got you laid. Well, I can’t argue with taming kitty kats.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            you is Chinese?

          • George Ding

            I am 75% Han and 25% Manchu with an American passport. Make of that what you will.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            “American Explains Why He’s Returning to China After Leaving”
            Yea I have done and now I’m sure others will.

          • Alphy

            @dab17c92dd6121b28a7d9271714c07c8:disqus Read and enjoyed the articles you wrote. How do you feel about being the story of one now?

          • George Ding

            Thank you @disqus_er0wXQEH1J:disqus. It really took me by surprise. I woke up and two people had e-mailed me this article. I haven’t fully processed this experience yet but right now I feel honored and a little frightened. But I’m grateful people are reading my work, regardless of their reaction.

          • George Ding

            @thmswhnr:disqus @disqus_vr53A7xqWx:disqus Thanks for the kind words. Means a lot. Sorry if this gets posted twice.

          • thmswhnr

            I didn’t realize that The Peking Man is also an author on Chinasmack! Anyhow, I’m glad to see your writing here, regardless of the fact that you had a guy on the inside to help get it posted.

            Hoping to see more of your work on CS in the future.

          • Kai

            As I understand it, George contributed and cross-posted a few translations in the past but doesn’t regularly blog on cS.

          • George Ding

            This is correct.

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

    Well who moves to America now? Its on the way out, soon be civil war there.

    Many
    I have known who bleated to death they cant stand China any more soon
    return cap in hand after a stint back in there homeland. The West sucks
    big balls now. That should send out warning signals to western
    governments to stop bleating about Communist China and take a look in the
    mirror to where they fckd up.

    • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

      Brilliant. I don’t know why you waste your time here when you could be writing editorials for “Time” magazine or the “Wall Street Journal”.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        They did ask but it meant i would need to go live in America and i not go because of the impeding civil war

    • Germandude

      Drinking early today again?

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        There is no gaps.

        • Germandude

          Which is the right attitude I suppose. After all, it’s xmas-pre-stress period, isn’t it?

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            To be honest, 0 stress, Xmas in China is a great feeling. its actually feels like how it should be , just being Merry, happy and smiling at all those pretties!, I guess that’s something else the West as fkced up.

          • Germandude

            After listening to “Jingle bells” 40 minutes in endless rotation in the supermarket last night, people in stress and more than usual craziness PLUS the girls wearing winter clothing, I can guarantee you: I want summer back! And usually I like the cold more…

  • Super Bunny

    i like white guys more for looks…never really think about rely on guys.

    i like two types of men, good looks or high IQ.

    no more…

    not interested in muscle guys at all.

    by the way, very difficult to see handsome guys in shanghai…truly pretty girls also hardly to see.
    sigh! maybe real beauty no needs to work,guess real handsome either.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      So great!

    • Germandude

      I am pretty sure when guys are looking at you, they judge you more by the IQ than the looks.

      • Gay Azn Boi

        Actually, guys care WAY more about a girl’s looks than her IQ. This is why most women – as long as they don’t look hideous – can support themselves even without a job as long as they find a man. The same can’t be said the other way around :p

        • Germandude

          Dude, my former post contained….irony.

          And to give you a slap ;-): Since you agree that guys go for the looks more than the IQs, gay couples average IQ is what?

          LOL, kidding man. haha You just gave me a penalty and I hit it!

          • Gay Azn Boi

            Adolf, just because most gay men care more about looks doesn’t mean we have low IQ.

          • Germandude

            Ah, sorry that I thought you were brighter than that answer you typed…

          • Gay Azn Boi

            I don’t like what you said there Goebbels.

          • Germandude

            Yeah, I got that. Don’t worry, I am not discriminating you. I make fun of girls, guys, gays, nationalities including my own if you remember, because I treat everybody equal. Aren’t we all full of shit in the end?

          • Gay Azn Boi

            I guess so.

          • Germandude

            For a guy calling for tolerance, you are pretty intolerant if you can’t even take a joke that I clearly marked as one. I think it was pretty clear that I didn’t want to insult you, was it?

          • Gay Azn Boi

            Himmler I was just messing with you.

          • Kate

            Unless you just had an enema…..

          • Germandude

            Oh dear. Couldn’t you have written: “Put down your cup of coffee before reading this”?

          • Kate

            Sorry ^_^♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

          • mr.wiener

            Enough with the name calling Liberace.

        • Super Bunny

          if a super pretty guy talks like an idiot, then no matter how handsome he is…maybe for girl, it’s different.

      • Super Bunny

        maybe none of them….
        but it’s true, as my friend said, do you know any real beautiful girl is poor?no any.
        sigh!

        • Super Bunny

          average small people make and have an average small life, sigh!

          • linette lee

            ………..average small people make and have an average small life, sigh!………

            translate into 一般的小人們的平均壽命,嘆了口氣!

            I put this in google translate and I still don’t understand what you are saying.

          • Super Bunny

            hahahaha!
            the online translate is so lame, never can trust those websites.
            average small people have to struggle a lot to think about this and that,and to worry a lot,still can not find a good position or way out.but even so,still can not catch a good luck…
            i went to interview yesterday and on my way back,as i noticed long time ago,most people in metro look average,and…sigh!do not wanna mention that feeling any more.
            that’s small life for most people.

          • linette lee

            That sounds depressing. I don’t feel like that here in USA or in hong kong . I feel happy and in control. No need to be rich. Just need to feel safe and in control of my own life. I guess I am simple.

            Things will be alright for you. Don’t worry. As long as you still have your health and family you will be okay. add oil.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Stay in the US plenty to complain about there!

          • El Puma R.

            I guess you never think about how other people look at you.. thinking your life is so great… haha

          • Archie

            so something you didn’t at first understand in one language, you then put into google translate to put into another language, and wonder why you still don’t understand it?!

            Clever!

          • linette lee

            The sole purpose of google translate is to translate a language you didn’t understand into another language you couldn’t understand neither.

            I don’t understand what I just typed.

        • El Puma R.

          That’s what people say around here.. all rich girls are pretty, and they also say if you scratch your neck the cough goes away… but then I see the government guys in Dalian driving their mercedes packed with 17 year old girls they picked on the countryside and I take a pill and some tea and the cough goes away. Come to dongbei and you will see your theory is wrong. I’ve seen countless beauties in the Chinese countryside.. well.. let’s say in Dongbei in general. Most southern chinese girls might have the breasts made of cotton candy but they’re still short, thin, and most of them have no curves on display.

    • Gay Azn Boi

      You don’t like muscle guys?! How come? I think guys who love to work out and have abs and nice biceps are really hot. Good looks and high IQ are important, but if the guy is scrawny, there is no way in hell I’d date him.

      • Kate

        I like chubby men. Not fat but slightly chubby.

        • Super Bunny

          sex with a bit chubby men is better.
          bonny guys not comfortable.

          • mr.wiener

            Bony Chicks are no fun either, remember the bigger the cushion the sweeter the pushin’ :)

          • vincent

            I think there’s a point where even an overly large cushion may impede the experience as well but of course that depends on perspective / position. I myself prefer more of a ‘goldilocks’ cushion :)

          • Gay Azn Boi

            You must be black. Because we all know how much black guys love white bbw.

          • El Puma R.

            Bony but bendy ain’t a bad idea if you ask me…

          • Gay Azn Boi

            That’s gross. I’d NEVER have sex with chubby men.

          • El Puma R.

            I know you’d remember me xD

        • Gay Azn Boi

          Okay….uhmm…..who would you rather have sex with?

          • Kate

            I think I would go to jail for both….like ‘em young?

          • Taegeuk

            Don’t we all?

          • Kate

            No I’ve always loved older men. I always dated men 5 yrs or older then me. My husband is 5 yrs older then I am.

          • Taegeuk

            A bit biased there no? How about post a pic of Siwon of Super Junior vs the typical American male? There’s nothing wrong with liking both races but worshipping one race over another is stupid. Same goes for those with yellow fever.

          • Kate

            Seth rogan is a cute chubby guy that is sexy. Daniel Dae Kim and Jung Woo Ha ::::sigh:::: and Jenson ackles has been my crush since I was 17.

          • John

            I like how you post a nice attractive white guy (whom you worshipped) and put in some fat ugly Asian guy as comparison.

          • Gay Azn Boi

            I could’ve picked someone worse than him; at least the dude is quite famous. Take a look…

            He makes Whitney Houston proud :p

          • linette lee

            hahaha…he sounds like a woman. scary. Sorry, Whitney sounds better.

          • El Puma R.

            Their moms

      • El Puma R.

        I’m pretty sure you like taking more than you like giving lol. Long life Ron Jeremy the guy is ugly as fuck but he has fucked plenty of goddesses, he’s the ego boost for the average Joe: “If Ron Jeremy can, then we all can”

        • Gay Azn Boi

          You’re right. I’m one of those guys who only like to bottom. And yes it hurts everytime but it’s so worth it. If topping is like a merry-go-round, then bottoming is like the best fucking roller coaster you’ve ever been on in your life.

          I’m not a big fan of Ron Jeremy. Brent Corrigan for me :D

    • Alphy

      Really? Why don’t you shoot for someone who meet your standard of looks, and can keep up with your conversation? I don’t think modern smart women per se need anyone to feed them, but are looking for a mate that matches them. Just because you are smart and successful, doesn’t mean you have to look like a toad.

      And I live in Shanghai too, so I take offense if you are implying there are no handsome guys around. :P

      • Germandude

        Dude, me too

      • John

        It’s because she’s looking specifically for white guys that is why. Wtf did she expect when she’s in China. From her posts she seems to have a love/hate thing going on.

    • John

      It seems you’re attracted to the white guys but are bitter b/c you got used/abused by them like the typical Asian girl who can’t tell a decent white guy apart or sees any white guy as brad pitt.

      You need to be honest with yourself. You like them more than just for looks but something bad must’ve happened in the past and now you’re bitter and taking it out on them but at the same time you’re only looking to date them. Hilarious.

      • Germandude

        The moment when one understands being in a vicious circle but too afraid to get out of it…

  • still here

    sofa. welcome back dude. get into it!

    • Germandude

      attached

  • BadgeringChina

    Its a sad state of your own country if a loser foreigner is able to get by in China.

    As for Chinese girls liking foreign guys, as long as the majority of Chinese Men are assholes, who treat women badly, then of course women want to be treated better, DUH !!!! And even a loser white boy can see this, so wake up asshole Chinese Men, treat your women better and then they won’t end up with whites, YOU are the losers here !!

    Your own prejudice makes it easy for low class whites to come here and teach. I have seen many many times over 9yrs living here, that Chinese prefer white teachers, only caring about the colour of the skin rather than the teaching ability or even actual qualifications !!!

    Again, stop moaning about foreigners, it is your own fake society that licks the ass of white teachers just to get bigoted, ignorant, arrogant rich, idiot students/parents to sign up and waste money on overpriced shitty English teaching from these white-losers.

    A few white losers come to China and get by because your country allows it, if you cared more about substance rather than just the colour of someones skin then those losers wouldn’t be able to get a job.

    Also losers come because if you have ability in your own country, you don’t need to leave to go to a country where people shit and piss in the street, let their children piss in supermarkets, spit EVERYWHERE, meet ignorant arrogant assholes, who beat up foreigners for no reason. That happens in trailer park trash America, but not in most decent places around the world, so no wonder trailer park trash white losers find it easy to come back to China. YOUR CUNTRY, you sort it out, as we as foreigners are 0.0001% of YOUR Population are mostly decent people !!

    • Gay Azn Boi

      It also might help if most Chinese/Asian guys didn’t look or act so feminine. Most Asian guys at my school try so hard to look like male k-pop stars, which are terrible examples of what a man should be. This is why I’ve never dated Asian guys.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        yea your right, they all look and behave like twig gathers. Good for me thou!

      • I love China

        Mostly east Asians act feminine e.i China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan. Southeast Asians are more manly coz of western influence.

      • John

        I hope even though you’re saying that GAB, that you yourself are not one (i.e. feminine/twig). Otherwise you’re sucha hypocrite.

        I hate to say it but I finally find something I agree with…in regards to the looking feminine/twig thing anyway.

        • Gay Azn Boi

          Actually, I AM one of the feminine guys, but for me it’s all natural so there’s really nothing I can do; I was born this way. I wouldn’t try to act feminine if I weren’t born like this. There’s a difference.

          That’s another reason why I would NEVER date feminine guys – to me that’s like dating a girl :/

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Would that make you a lesbian if you did?

          • Germandude

            *applauding for giving me the first laugh of the day

          • terroir

            So, if you dated a feminine guy who was even “gayer” than you, would both of you get down and put on the saddle, chew hay and look at each other while waiting for the cowboy to walk out of the saloon?

            This is a legit question, so please be just as serious in answering it.

          • Gay Azn Boi

            LOL

            And no, I would never date anyone “gayer” than me. That’s my answer.

    • Alphy

      Dude, chill man, I understand your frustration trust me, but you are making American Expat look bad. There are many that do come here to teach, Some are scumbags and losers but many are here just to gain some experience, I’ve personally know some. There are also many expat that are here for other professions too. I myself were send here to hire and run things in our China Branch. So don’t make it sound like every expat comes because they do not have the ability to live in their own country.

      • Thuan Bui

        LOL agree with you that he needs a fucking chill pill. American Expat already does a good job at making themselves look bad anyway :P

        Experience and what classes as “some”? After 1 year (i.e. a gap year from university), after 2 years (i.e. a holiday from life in general or soul searching blah blah), 3 years, 4 years, 5 years…it does on.

        When does it become not experience and just basically they are losers who can’t survive in their home country and can’t go back to being paid a normal wage (or actually compete to get a normal/proper job) rather than being highly overpaid to do a shit job. By shit I mean I won’t trust any language (not just English) teacher unless they show me a language teaching qualification with experience – being native don’t count nor does holding a mickey mouse degree qualifies you to go into a country to teach a language. That’s like saying I can teach maths just because I can read numbers and do some adding up :P 1+1 = 2 (I hope) :P

        • Gaius Baltar

          No young man I need to take you under my wing, you are dead wrong, many moons back there was a french fruit picker who married a woman in Shaanxi and vowed he was done with picking fruit in france, and for who, teaching kids in China was heaven. Nothing wrong with wanting to leave your country for a better life, the chinese have been doing it for decades, and so should you my good man!

          • Thuan Bui

            *Yawn*

          • Gaius Baltar

            At least a yawn is a reaction. My opinion is still valid however, even a native english speaker with no degree in film studies is more qualified than a non native with a degree. There is still nothing wrong with the Croatian wanting to teach however.

          • Thuan Bui

            LOL don’t tell that to me. Tell that to the large number of parents who think they are getting value for money but yet their sons and daughters still suck as English. Money well spent no doubt.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Why should I tell that to the parents? You are just being a “shill gambit” and like a “wu mao” type poster. Their is perhaps a reason they suck at english, they spend more time on the internet or on their phones, than actually looking inside the english book or listening to and respecting the teacher in class time.

          • Thuan Bui

            Wu Mao me please!

            That and having bad teachers who are not qualified to teach children in any topic let alone a language. There are teachers in the UK who are not capable of teaching a classroom full of children who speaks the same language. Classrooms in China must be a riot! :P

        • aerinmeister

          Has it occurred to you, and to other posters, that some foreigners come to China simply because they want to? I teach in China not because I wasn’t successful back home, but because I felt moving to another country would provide incredible opportunities for learning and growth. I want to improve my Mandarin, I want to practice Chinese painting, and I want the perspective that comes from living in a new society and culture. Sure, I appreciate the job benefits that I wouldn’t get back home, like twice-annual airfare reimbursement, but that by itself isn’t reason enough for a Westerner to move to China. And if there are schools hiring teachers with no credentials, then that’s on them. I for one am a certified teacher with two college degrees and who is actively involved within my field.

          • Thuan Bui

            But alas the job benefits itself is reason enough for a Westerner to move to China. Once they taste that life….well that’s why the majority are still there being cocks.

          • aerinmeister

            …then again, I wouldn’t need airfare reimbursement if I’d stayed in the States. I also wouldn’t need the free Mandarin lessons. The perks are great, but again, that wasn’t my motivation for moving to China. I decided to come here because I visited during a study abroad and enjoyed it, and because I’ve always wanted to live overseas. I wouldn’t paint China as a paradise where Westerners are lining up to experience “that life.” Most of my friends and family thought I was crazy for wanting to have anything to do with this country. And you know what? I miss clean air, clean water, clean food, cheap clothing and groceries, fast internet, my car, my house, my family, my cat, my native language, hassle-free online banking, freedom of speech, and the nature preserve where I used to walk every day.

            Cocks exist everywhere, and I’m sorry if some American expats give my country a bad reputation, but almost every foreign teacher at my school is hardworking and highly qualified and that’s because my school is selective in its hiring process. If other schools aren’t, that’s on them, not on the people they hired.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            HaHA on the floor here, America is near fucked near civil war and is going backwards, your another one of these cocks living in the worst cities in China are ya? For the money no doubt because America got none to give ya.
            Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

          • aerinmeister

            Did you read my comment? I’m responding to a poster who’s saying that China is filled with idiot expats who couldn’t make a living in their own countries, who are only here because it’s supposedly so wonderful. I’m making the point that China’s not perfect, either. The economy’s better in Shanghai than in most places I’ve visited and I enjoy a full employment package with nice benefits; however, that is not why I chose to move halfway around the world. I came here because I wanted the experience of living, teaching, and making art in China.

            Are you American? I was born and raised in a bad neighborhood in Flint, Michigan and I can tell you all about my country’s problems. I’m a survivor and I know how to live without money. I didn’t come here as an escape, I came here to grow. And I’m not complaining–I’m trying to set some people straight about their habit of painting all expats with the same brush.

      • El Puma R.

        Sorry but I beg to differ, in my own experience here I believe it’s hard to deny that most foreigners in China are too boring or too serious and that gives me a big frame for future reference, just like in our homelands we cannot generalize nor be unaware of the fact that the douchebag population is rising and the good people is decreasing.

        As for @BadgeringChina, he is full of hate but quite accurate about Chinese schools and education. White dude who can’t spell properly gets a better pay than the other white dudes just because he has blue eyes and the other don’t… yeah I’ve heard the song already, tell them you are from Australia.. lala lala

        Anyway and with all due respect to my yank friends, I’ve seen countless Americans either fucking up or pretending they’re cool when they go abroad.. but what if this guy JUST happens to start to love himself because he moved to China? It’s a good reason if you ask me… and Chinese could also learn a thing or two before they go traveling. ♦.-

        • ScottLoar

          “…just like in our homelands we cannot generalize nor be unaware of the
          fact that the douchebag population is rising and the good people is
          decreasing.”

          And when can we expect you to improve the ratio by voluntarily bowing out, Douchebag?

          • El Puma R.

            Anyone would know just by looking at you for a moment. Seems like you are too sensitive about this matter… hm… maybe you used to live in your mom’s basement as well? Call me whatever you want I am quite sure of what you are and I don’t need to mention it… so now you can go and make friends with the author of the article above, I just read it and I think he’s the right kind of buddy for you. No pressure to learn Chinese, no proof of working experience, no qualifications, nothing… just a bunch of bitching and whining. I’d burn you both along with all the other crybabies, that’s what I would do.

          • ScottLoar

            An auto de fe? Catamount, mine is not a defense of another; it is a direct comment to you, one of the very “douchebags” you call others. Again, when will you improve the ratio of good people to douche bags (anyone reading your comments knows on which side you fall) by bowing out?

          • El Puma R.

            You’re just a Crybaby! and it looks like me saying that word touched you right in the wound… are you in China? you call yourself an expat? Hm.. I smell absolute douchebaggery here!

            do this, count how many people say they miss you and they wish you were home because they never understood why you left, and if the result goes beyond your parents, then you are not a douchebag. I think you are, ’cause it is a very sensitive matter to you so I suggest you start reading books and smiling to people, and please explain to me why you jumped against me just because I said there are more duochebags than good people in this world… and I wasn’t even thinking about you! I can’t find another explanation besides you being called a douchebag for many years of your life so you had to leave your home and come to china where no one knows what a douchebag is.. over here they call them 傻逼

          • ScottLoar

            How do you rate as one of the “good people”? That’s what my comment was about; you are not one of the “good people” you presume to be.

            Again and again you suppose you understand China and the Chinese (as you foolishly think Chinese are servilely obedient to authority) even as contrary examples to your stupid opinions are all around you. Your narrow opinions – actually, “beliefs”, since they are unfounded and without evidence – rest on the foolish assumption that others are not in China, and have no understanding of the language.

            My language proficiency is here for all to see; you post “over here they call them 傻逼 (stupid cunt)” as evidence of your fluency. My arguments are supported by references, examples, and definitions; your beliefs are just shouted louder and louder.

            Puma, a few swear words do not make you fluent or knowledgeable in Mandarin; shouting personal beliefs does not make them facts; and as your own example proves, living for some short while in China does not allow understanding let alone claimed expertise.

      • Gaius Baltar

        Is this article even true, or is just performance art?

        • Alphy

          It’s a satire that was written in English for the Beijinger. Someone translated it and put it on Weibo. Satire is met to be subtle or else it won’t be funny, and I can see how its completely mistaken by Chinese audience or else Onion wouldn’t have fooled Chinese newspaper multiple times.

    • Super Bunny

      i think white guys treat girls much worse…
      most of them are very tight…especially american…i never heart a girl said,she likes american,tight and mainly are liars. they mostly want german.

      • Alphy

        Wait what? Do I want to know what you mean by tight? If you mean being pinchy with money, you probably just haven’t met enough of us. Most Americans are very generous.

        I always pay for my fair share, and treat my friends to dinner probably way too often. Actually now that I think about it, some of my Chinese friends been mooching off, need to make them treat me one of these days.

        I don’t think you can its a good idea to generalize people by ethnicity or country of origin. There are always really amazing people in every culture, and its fair share of criminals. You can’t bunch all of them up in one word.

        • Super Bunny

          i dated a lot in past several yrs. believe me.
          most foreign men are misers…some even do not wanna buy u a drink …
          even average chinese guy can treat u a good dinner.
          maybe that’s why they come to china.bunch of losers.

          • Germandude

            Thanks madam. Am I correct that you yourself are only lurking around at typical tourist hotspots where desperate guys have a week or two to get “their China experience”, hence the low quality of people from abroad you have met?

            The amount of foreigners that fit your description is maybe 10%. Almost every foreign guy that has a decent job here that I met does not fit your description of being a “miser” or a “looser”.

            They don’t pay you a drink because they are not interested in a cheap shot and most likely have a family or other interests.

          • Super Bunny

            if u say so…
            i am not the only one met miser foreigners…if asked u to meet but arrived in cafe early bought himself a drink then sat there wait for u to come…u think this is polite enough?
            and sorry to tell u, they are not poor or short time stay.
            and same thing happened to a girl i know too,sure, not the same mfker.

          • Germandude

            First, I never said you were ugly. How should I know?
            Second, you have met a guy that made you wait for him or didn’t even come at all. That’s NOT polite, I agree. Personally, I am never late for appointments, except of circumstances I can’t control (such as traffic jams). I would then inform the person that I have an appointment with about my late arrival.
            Third, I was posting what I wrote because your words sounded like “All foreigners are like this” while I don’t agree with that at all.

          • Alphy

            Germandude, I think she was replying to pedro there. He was kinda implying that foreigners that didn’t buy her drinks is because she didn’t meet the bar etc.

            I just also realized I am trying to defend “white” guys, and I am not white lol.

            Anyways, let’s not get into a fight now people.

          • Germandude

            Pedro jumped in afterwards. I am not trying to fight here, I am just stating that her impressions differ much from mine.

          • Jennster

            have you seen feichengwurao? no american has ever successfully taken a chinese girl away. the most popular ones are taiwanese, then in the foreigner group are the european ones

          • El Puma R.

            Mr. Generalization here, everyone. You sound like the guy who asked me if we fought against China who would win.. as if it were a football match. Being abroad doesn’t make you a wise man, some people are born dumb… 哎呀妈呀

          • Super Bunny

            呀你妈逼!

          • Gaius Baltar

            That program is fixed that is why.Only a western GW would go on that programme for money, the kind of westerner I would avoid in China.

          • el negro pedro

            Most Americans are not cheap. Worst case scenario is going dutch but personally I buy people shit all the time.

            If anything I think Europeans and South American’s are way stingier IMAO.

            If I’m at a bar and I meet you and think you are ugly, I’m not going to buy you a drink. I think the answer is pretty clear super bunny.

            If you don’t understand, what I’m saying is that whoever it was, probably didn’t think you were going to fuck them, or thought you were too ugly to fuck.

          • Germandude

            Dutch are cheap? I call that biased opinion. Plus, I am shocked. From all the nationalities…the Dutch?

          • Germandude

            Oh my god, a German defending the Dutch…what happened to the world?

            Ok, we are not talking about football, so I think I might be save.

          • mr.wiener

            Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Black Pete said “going Dutch” which is an expression meaning to pay your own bill and not the other person’s. There is also “Dutch courage” which comes from a bottle. All historical jokes dating back to the 100 years war I believe.
            A more modern joke if I where Dutch at a football game playing Germany I’d probably say “Where is my bicycle you bastard?”

          • Germandude

            Ups, I didn’t know that expression. I thought he meant that Dutch people are not generous which I don’t think is true for most of them.

          • el negro pedro

            going “dutch” means splitting the bill evenly.

          • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

            I always hear this “going Dutch” phrase here in China as if it is a regular thing we do. Something they probably get from those shitty “Crazy English” magazines. I’d heard the phrase before in the US but I don’t know anybody that would ever be that much of a cheapskate to actually do it. Not on a date at least…..maybe work friends or something might “go Dutch”.
            Jan Akkerman and Eddie Van Halen…….2 of the all-time greatest guitar players ever. Don’t fuck with the Dutch.( They might do the dreaded “Dutch Oven”)

          • Germandude

            Oh the Dutch are great and I admire their open mindset and tolerance. Germany could learn a lot from them in that regard.
            But then again, I am happy that I am German, because we won the world cup several times before, something Dutch boys will never be able to experience. haha

          • Super Bunny

            who cares!
            and most girls i know say so….
            so,sorry..
            i am ugly or not none ur business.and as i said, i am not so ugly as u thought, still can hook up young guys easy.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            yea they vely easy!

          • el negro pedro

            congratulations on being able to “hook up young guys easy”. your parents must be very proud.

            You use to post under a different name right? The “small beauty” thing gave it away. I remember you, you’re effing hideous.

            “Tell me what you brag about and I’ll tell you what you lack.”
            ~Spanish Proverb

          • El negro pedro

            Yes I remember, you’re the silly cunt EATTOT! This one is for you!

          • El Puma R.

            No era “Dime con quien andas y te dire quien eres?” haha

          • Gaius Baltar

            Nice proverb. Never heard that one before.

          • the ace of books

            Don’t worry, Eattot. True ugliness is on the inside :)

          • Germandude

            Yeah, look at Jennster

          • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

            I can’t really say….I hate nightclubs (and not just because I don’t drink) but from the few times I’ve gone it just seems the whole “play” here is different than the USA. I mean….in US if I wanted to meet a girl, I’d send over a drink to her table(if she’s with a group, I’ll send a round) sometimes she’ll raise a glass and wave and sometimes she’ll come over and talk but there’s no obligation. I wouldn’t really know how it works here, mostly cuz I’ve never gone in a club without a lady. But there’s already so many other ways for ladies to separate men from their cash here. I can say that I’ve never gone out and not paid for the drinks. but since I’m not out boozing every night, I can afford to do that. I might be a dull dud,(I’d rather be out surfing) but a tightwad? NEVER!
            Actually, a few years back I had a gig in a KTV every night for several months. Just me and a girl singer and we made good money from “tips”. For those that don’t know….”tips” are baskets of flowers that cost 100 kuai each that we split with the house. Tables of Lei Zhengfus holding up wads of cash, each trying to buy “face” by trying to outspend the others. Best part was not having to sit with those guys and hand feed them toothpicks of watermelon and orange slices since…..while being a handsome man, they were not interested in my body. We just played 1 song in the rotation so sometimes I had to sit more than an hour between songs which gave me ample time to study the human condition from my vantage point way back in the corner. Trust me, you can learn alot observing a KTV. Like a fucking David Lynch movie, Chinese-style.

          • el negro pedro

            I guess you’re right it’s a face issue. People here tend to not deal with rejection with grace at all. Just because someone doesn’t want to buy you a drink doesn’t mean they are cheap. It just means they don’t want to buy you a drink. It’s easier to call someone a tightwad than to consider that maybe, you are the reason.

          • Alphy

            Hmm yeah, I am probably bias, but the “foreigners” I know are quite generous. Though you may remember the bad ones more, thus it helped established your perception.

            Shanghainese locals usually mentioned how better mannered I and other Americans are in general, but it just maybe the group I am in. And yes, if a guy wouldn’t even buy you dinner, he is probably not interested or someone you probably shouldn’t continue dating.

          • Super Bunny

            i do not know…
            maybe they treat rich women well…
            are you a gay? then it’s different.

          • Alphy

            lol No I am not gay. I am an American Expat in Shanghai and I always treat people well, no matter if it is a friend or someone I just met. And why rich women?? Why would you think man want to only be polite to rich women?

          • Super Bunny

            nowadays, men are much more snobish than women…
            treat? women better treat ourselves better, never save money for any man.
            plus”quite some white diggers in shanghai too.u can read some personal ads on some websites well…then u will look foreigners down more.

          • Alphy

            Huh? What white diggers what now? When I said treat, I mean how people treat one another. Like with respect, fairness, compassion, and general kindness. It’s harder to do in China as everyone is pushing their way to get ahead, but nevertheless it’s better way of living.

            I always believe that in respecting others, and giving people a benefit of a doubt, then the perception in our world shifts to a better light. I would suggest you do so too, by putting down that color glasses on all foreigners.

            It’s true that there are some losers in the “foreigner” description, but you have got to agree that’s a BIG NET (everyone outside China). Bias and prejudice is part of our human nature, but when we suppress it, we often find many more wonderful people in the world than we previously thought.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            you got pedals?

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT
          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            I always get asked out and never pay!
            I guess you a tight ass, well maybe not now ;-0

          • drdru7029

            Eattot I don’t get it, why is almost every single one of your premises based on a nearly complete generalization of a group of people? It’s almost like you are incapable of thinking outside of a framework built on stereotypes and overgeneralizations– your neural pathways have carved a single, monstrous, all-encompassing and polluted superhighway from which no divergence is possible. Have you no concept of the inherent diversity in every ethnic/national group?

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            This is why she gone through so many men in the past few years, no one can tolerate it, when she past her sell buy date ( I suspect already) she will be cap in hand to lawoai (very old one past is sell by date )for marriage and children to seal the deal and the pension fund.

          • Super Bunny

            go die, u!

            guess your a broke loser, that’s why u think date for u is buy sex. stop bullshit.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Everyone note, is he is broke loser is safe from this type of woman!
            If he rich loser beware she is lurking!

          • Germandude

            hahaha, I am dying

          • cc

            Eatcock baby, you’re back and in disguise, can i jizz on you’re new avatar?

          • El Puma R.

            A piece of advice: go find yourself and what you want for your life. Big city lies and trolling with expats won’t take you anywhere nice.

            小姐我请你自重

          • Super Bunny

            你妈才是小姐,你请她自重去吧。老子已经结婚了,你可以去死了。
            sob!who the fuck u think ur!
            fk ur mum !

          • Super Bunny

            you wanna lick Jennster’s ass or somewhere else, right?
            or your just another her who likes to pretend rich girl online to insult women on this site??
            idiot,fuck with yourself well first.
            wanna insult me? make your dream.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Please learn proper english language usage. Otherwise, your posts are painful to read.

          • linette lee

            hahahah…you are so sick I want to slap you. You know gay and lesbian marriages is legal and tax deductible. Women in big cities over 40 or 50 year old can adopt kids and have family together. It’s tax deductible.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Slap me? I like it rough, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

          • Germandude

            Man. Thanks for the laugh. Also to Super Bunny, but she won’t understand.

            I hope there is a truth in the sentence “Dumb fucks well”. Otherwise someone here is really screwed for life….

            I still can’t stop laughing, thanks MrT!

          • Super Bunny

            who the fuck ur?
            do not let me know it’s the mfker u again.
            i already said i wont give u a fuck any more.
            leave me alone if ur that mfker named E., enough!

          • drdru7029

            Thanks for that reply, I would have been disappointed with anything less authentically ‘you’.

          • Super Bunny

            fuck off!
            i have never hated anyone like you!
            save ur words for somebody else.
            i can not care less.

          • drdru7029

            Wow, I’m almost honored to have such a strong impact on you, only two posts and you have “never hated anyone like me”!

          • Super Bunny

            u dare to say who ur???
            dare or not?

          • drdru7029

            Are you insane? I’m a random Chinasmack commenter.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            She not insane! just your average Shangay gold digger!

          • Super Bunny

            yes
            i dig ur mum’s cunt with a dildo.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Full melt down in progress, now its gone into the bowls of HELL, surely no return?
            Let this be a warning to all the first time daters of Shangay women, on the surface they can very cute, but soon as they turn! OMFG!
            You been warned future suckers>

          • Super Bunny

            idiot, no more, u caused it to yourself.
            no more, i need to prepare for my tv show interview.
            hahahaha!

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Link us the Youku Interview please after you done.
            San Q.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            dare double dare, even triple dare!

          • Super Bunny

            u dare to say ur real name out? besides play this kinda cheap trick online, go die now.

          • Germandude

            Now please share with us: Are you happy or disappointed that she doesn’t “give you a fuck any more”?

          • drdru7029

            Hahaha! I could go both ways on this one…

          • Germandude

            Pick your poison! Don’t let this end right here, right now. I am still laughing!

          • El Puma R.

            Me so horny mmm 15 dollar

          • Jennster

            she hasn’t gone overseas and doesn’t know what ‘good looking’ caucasian look like but she has preference for whites and think chinese aren’t attractive. what makes it worse is local shanghainese men have a low rate of hooking up with a rural chinese girl (as she is from countryside in yunnan) as well as anti-yi di lian so her chance is higher with foreigners. the thing is when she hears about caucasians in china being losers instead of ‘good looking’ standard as she thought and getting abused/called ‘easy’ by them she becomes defensive and thus we hear the love hate relationship.

          • Super Bunny

            thanks for your reply!
            i think i have the right eyes of beauty as you.
            you wanna be cool on this website, right?you wanna show off your shanghainese all the time as before,right?
            and i can tell u i never had ugly bf from school till now.yeah, your lucky, you have a rich family you go oversea, but i went to good school by myself all the time too.
            and i can tell you,i dated several shanghai local guys, only one guy called a bit handsome because i refused him, he still sends sms insult me till now.o, and he is not poor at all.
            keep on showing off.
            i am not blind, i do not need anyone to tell me who is good looking or not.
            bitch, fuck off!

          • Jennster

            LOL calm down :)

          • Kate

            That made me smile. :) And don’t worry, Jennster has a major inferiority complex about white people and frequently makes stupid racist racist posts over at kbang.

          • cc

            American expat in Shanghai? How does that not make you gay?

          • Jennster

            i heard lots of dutch/german sounding language there amongst tourists and expats, some japanese people and a bit koreans. didn’t hear american at all. wonder why.

          • El Puma R.

            Because you are no language expert, maybe?

          • linette lee

            y tu? cuantos idiomas hablas y comprendes?

          • Kate

            I speak 2, spanish and english. My husband is Korean but I only know basic Korean and how to say swear words and dirty words currently. Shibal!

          • El Puma R.

            5 so far, plus a little italian I learned from my mom and a little Russian I learned while getting drunk with my russian buddies almost everyday for a few years. And I can recognize more than that.. just a hobbie, you know. And my spanish is native, yours is either google translator or some mexican dude taught you some, which I must tell you the worst spanish you could learn comes from Mexico. Can’t show off with mexican spanish, you’ll look dumb.

            Quien se quema con leche ve la vaca y llora

          • Alphy

            I don’t get it, is there some nuance for the word expat?

            BTW surprising to see that George in this article is actually an author of Chinasmack. He is now the story instead of writing about it.

          • cc

            Hmm, your right you didn’t get it did you. By stating that you are an American expat in Shanghai, you are insinuating that this somehow does not make you gay

          • Alphy

            That was two different thing. I didn’t believe I have to explain my sexual preference to anyone. Just stating that I am not gay is enough.
            I was telling her my status as she blanked all American expat in Shanghai of bring cheap and I guess I was in someway trying to show we are not all like that.

          • cc

            lighten up, just pulling your leg

          • Jennster

            There is a saying in Chinese: chinese men with money turn bad. Chinese women with no money turn bad.
            i think she means those that look rich/elegant but are just average incomed.

          • Super Bunny

            u go die lame bitch with ur lame translate ability:::
            men turn bad after have money, women turn bad to have money…
            idiot!
            guess the only thing u have to show off either ur shanghainese or u have a rich family,,, go die.

          • El Puma R.

            you just said something about hooking up with young guys… didn’t you say a few months ago that you were about to get married?
            lol, chinese girls and their eternal Plan B

          • Super Bunny

            i plan to give u a slap if u dare to show up.
            i do not insult anyone for no reason. and i am against thing or person.
            can u tell me what the fuck your mad at ?
            your white in shanghai? no!
            i said anything bad of guys here? guess not.
            your mad because no one here gives u a fuck,right?
            you wanna lick Jennester well?right?
            go fuck with her directly. it’s none ur business.

          • linette lee

            spanish men and their eternal viagra.

          • El Puma R.

            I wonder where you got such information. I’m Latin american from an Italian family, come try me and spare the viagra

          • linette lee

            .if asked u to meet but arrived in cafe early bought himself a drink then sat there wait for u to come…………………….

            I agreed. That is being rude. If he asked me out first and didn’t offer to buy me a drink when I arrive that is just being rude and cheap.

            If a guy ask me out for a dinner date first and didn’t offer to pay for the first meal and want to go dutch, I will not date him again. After I pay for my own meal I will politely say bye to him. I will not go on and go have coffee somewhere else or to watch a movie. No more second date. I have done it before. When they call me I say no to their second date.

            good for you bunny. You go girl.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
            you got pedals too?

          • linette lee

            I don’t understand what you are saying.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            All the westerners do )
            Subject: [chinasmack] Re: American Explains Why He’ s Returning to China After Leaving

          • the ace of books

            If a guy ask me out for a dinner date first and didn’t offer to pay for the first meal and want to go dutch, I will not date him again.

            If he asked me out first and didn’t offer to buy me a drink when I arrive that is just being rude and cheap.

            …or he doesn’t see your gender as a reason to shower you with 免费 stuff. Seriously, why do so many girls expect guys to buy them things? I wouldn’t want to go out with someone who expected me to pay for everything. We go to a restaurant, we go halves. We go to a bar, we pay for our own drinks. I’ve paid for people’s drinks before, but that’s because I’ve felt like it, not because of the receivers’ genders.

          • Germandude

            Actually nowadays this is a dangerous topic. On the one date, you as a guy want to share the bill and the girl you dated thinks you are selfish, not gentleman style and what not. You lost.
            On the next date, you want to pay the whole bill as you learned from before and the woman is believing in man and woman being equal (I agree on that btw) and thinks that your gesture of paying the bill is macho.

            Congrats, emancipation managed to confuse us men. haha

          • linette lee

            Most women want the men to at least offer. Offer to pay the first meal, it’s up to her to accept it or not. You know why it’s important?Us women want to see you make the effort to impress. If you show no effort it’s telling us you are not interested or you are a player and want free sex from as many girls as possible. No thank you bye bye.

          • El Puma R.

            If a man needs to “make an effort” to impress you, then you’ve been dating the wrong men all your life Linette. (The chinese paradigm as I call it, everything HAS to look good, at least. Everything else is partially pointless). No wonder why you spend so many hours engaging in discussion with everyone on this site… you might not have men around to chat with you… and I’ve reading you and it all makes me feel you must be a secretary at some fancy place with lots of free time in front of a computer. You need to find a piece of mind

          • BiffyClanger

            It is a bit sad you associate paying for something like a meal and being impressed by. Somewhere in there lies a deformed and mishappen child of feminism.

          • ScottLoar

            It is a bit sad you associate paying for something like a meal and failing to see it as a measure of respect. Somewhere in there lies a deformed and mishappen (sic) child of gallantry.

            Ah well, maybe you don’t go out much.

          • BiffyClanger

            It is a bit sad you associate gallantry with paying bill on a first date. Somewhere in there lies a deformed and mishappen child of equality.

            Well maybe you still live in the 50s.

          • ScottLoar

            Say, I know what we’ll do! You and I will ask the same Chinese girl out for a first date, me living in the 50′s and you in the second decade of the 21st century, I pay and you don’t. Or, perhaps you want to read with understanding what the Chinese women here have been writing.

            Still, I doubt you go out much. And, please, the word is misshapen, it is not a happening that was missed.

          • BiffyClanger

            Haha you doubt I go out much? I can assure you granps that not only do I indeed go out I have an lovely wife who is an artist, we tied the knot after half year of bliss and now resides in London. So yeah to give you a short answer the parties come to us. I can also inform you that on a hypothetical first date I would have no prescribed rules about who pays and will be more than happy to fork out if I enjoyed it. It is just that in the last 4 relationships I had, if memory serves, we skipped courtship and went straight to the fun part. In fact most of my friends to it nowadays. Time moves on. Do try to keep up?

          • ScottLoar

            Again, read what the Chinese women here are writing.

            Say, you do have a problem with spelling, subject-verb agreement, and grammar in general. Forgive me for thinking English was your mother tongue.

          • BiffyClanger

            Have I given you reason to assume English was my mother tongue? It certainly is not.

          • ScottLoar

            And because you are not a native English speaker I will not again find fault with your grammar. Your English is well-nigh fluent.

          • BiffyClanger

            Ahh a true gentleman. Don’t worry, I am not offended at all. I am well aware of my shortcomings when it comes to my English. You are welcome to point them out Scott.

          • the ace of books

            Naw, see, here’s the thing: feminism is about men and women being equal in value. Feminism is NOT about women expecting to be paid for. Feminism is NOT about cherrypicking the things that benefit you. It’s not feminism to say “I get to do and say what I want, but when I go into a bar, guys should pay for my drinks because I have boobs, and when I go on a date, the guy should pay because, again, boobs.” No, man, that’s not feminism at all. That’s dickery. (Pussery?)

            (And just in case anyone thinks I’m only looking at women, here, Feminism is NOT about men deciding “oh, it’s cute she’s so feisty!”, and it is NOT about guys being scared that liking/knowing/being around a not-so-feminine woman will make them less of a man. That’s just as shitty an attitude, and also rather silly to boot.)

          • Germandude

            I see you don’t have a lot of contact to European women then. Of course women like to be treated by a gentleman.
            However, on a first date, the situation that I described is very valid. Ever had a German/Dutch/Austrian girlfriend?

          • the ace of books

            Nope and nope. I’ve been in China for the past two years, and previous to that I was in America and didn’t really date, so… hell, maybe I’m an idealist :)

          • Germandude

            Haha, fair enough. Cheers man.

          • linette lee

            My father buys things for my mom. My father is the only man my mom will accept free meals and gifts from. She will get on his car and ride home with him and no other man. Nothing is wrong with that. She stayed home and raised his kids for him. Nothing is wrong with a little old fashion romance. If you don’t want to you can tell your woman to take a taxi home and pay her own fare. 50/50.

          • the ace of books

            I agree there’s nothing wrong with it, sure. But they’re in an established relationship, and when you’re in one of those, the two of you get to figure out who pays what when why. Common sense.

            (And of course if my date didn’t have a car of their own/was dropped off on the date/didn’t have a ride/etc, I’d drive them home. That’s just courtesy, and courtesy ain’t got nothing to do with romance.)

            Naw, my beef is with the expectation that men should pay for things just because they’re guys, and, on the other side, that a woman should not have to pay for things just because she’s a woman. lolno?

          • linette lee

            Are we on the same topic. We are talking about first date right. The man asked her out so let him pay for the first meal. What’s the problem? The girl can also pay later on second or third date. whatever.

            It’s funny because most people that I know, the women are more generous in the relationship. The women will buy things for their boyfriends.

          • the ace of books

            First date, yup. But I guess I’m of the uncommon opinion that it’s okay (nay, in fact it’s impressive!) for women to ask men out.

            As for your second paragraph, that’s called the “‘person who’ fallacy” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence ). I know plenty of guys who buy things for their girls and plenty of girls who buy things for their guys. Doesn’t mean guys or girls are more generous. Generosity is not gender-linked.

          • linette lee

            …………..for women to ask men out…………..

            Only retard women will ask men out first.

          • the ace of books

            wat

          • the ace of books

            …..wat

          • the ace of books

            no seriously, what

          • the ace of books

            Sweetie, I think you have no idea how many of the women in my life you just insulted. Therefore either explain yourself without resorting to calling people unknown to you names to for no good reason, or just shut up.

          • linette lee

            If a girl likes a boy, give him a friendly smile. Talk to him and wait.

            If he likes her he will ask her out. Let him ask first. It’s easier that way.
            If he won’t ask it’s because he has a girlfriend or he is not interested.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            you definitely living in the old British colonial past, explains the brainwashed propaganda you puke out.
            You should get with it into the 21st century, maybe spend some time in the motherland!

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            All my women been retards then! Explains a lot…

          • linette lee

            hahaha…didn’t you called yourself a retard? I remember you said..
            i retard.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            sounds like me

          • BiffyClanger

            This is what happens when gender equally is imposed top down, and not fought for by the gender they purport to give equality to. Sad.

          • el negro pedro

            All the savvy, top tier girls offer to pay on the first date. (1) to make it a point for you to see that they don’t see you as a walking piggy bank. (2) to establish the fact they make their own money, don’t necessarily need you for financial support and are dating you out of preference not need.

            Miss Lee here seems to have a preference for men who make obvious appeals to her ginormous ego. She seems personally insulted that a guy won’t open his wallet for her, which probably indicates that she believes that Money is the most important and distinguishing commodity in a male-female romantic relationship.

            It’s hard for me to imagine that she believes that if a man is
            unwilling to spend money on her, she believes probably one of two things:

            1. He doesn’t have a lot of money (therefore is disqualified)
            2. He doesn’t believe she is worth the financial investment (she is disqualified)

            Anyway, what do I know? I’m just another shabi laowai.

          • el negro pedro

            it’s *NOT hard for me to imagine….

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            but talking a lot of facts!

          • linette lee

            For your information, I do believe I make more money than many men. I am financially independent. I am not young. I am close to 30. I am mature and I don’t like to waste my time to play games and have one night stand. If my date don’t make the effort to show me he’s interested or show me he is serious I won’t waste my time with him. I move on. I think most women around my age think the same way.

          • cc

            Of course your financially independent you charge by the hour for the time you spend on your back

          • El Puma R.

            I’d call you “the ace of reason”

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Bike :-)

          • Super Bunny

            and sorry, i am not so ugly as u wished.

          • hess

            uhm, we’ve all seen your pics here before and you aint exactly a beauty

          • Super Bunny

            i said i am a beauty? r u blind>?

          • hess

            “and sorry, i am not so ugly as u wished.”

          • Super Bunny

            idiot.
            i am a small beauty…fuck off!

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            A beauty indeed the words “fuck off!” just role of your tongue!
            I think in England we say “slapper”

          • hess

            according to whos standards? an inbred crocodile?

          • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

            C’mon guy’s…..I happen to know this lady and consider her a friend. If you’re going to take cheap shots at her then go after her comments, not her looks. That way you’re only you’re only picking on a person with strong opinions but limited in her ability to express and defend herself. Calling her ugly? That’s just chickenshit. (By the way….she is not ugly even if she might not meet your idea of perfection and in fact, has an attractive personal style that does not show through an avatar photo)
            And if anybody wants to give me any White Knight shit, go ahead. She will probably tell me to fuck off for even writing this. She wouldn’t want me sticking up for her. She has alot of pride and self-reliance. I’m doing it anyway.

          • hess

            Then I guess shes a completely different person in real life. The things she writes here seriously makes one lose braincells just by reading them. And no, i’m talking about her English skills

          • Germandude

            I agree on this actually. Nobody is perfect and looks should not be considered a point to judge a person.
            However, the stuff Super Bunny is writing makes my brain spinning. I think her name should be Super Blonde.
            On the other hand, I still think she is 100 times more bearable than Jennster because that girl should know better but still brings up the most ridiculous statements that I have read.

          • cc

            Foxy comes to the rescue as usual.

          • El Puma R.

            Math doesn’t fail, man

            Pretty
            +strong attitude
            +self reliance
            _____________
            = I’d go for it, but wait!

            - extended use of coarse language and trolling on the web
            - arrogance
            - egocentric attitude

            / the world is full of pretty and reliable women with strong character
            _____________
            = Don’t even think about getting close to that lady.

          • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

            That’s not the point. “Don’t even think about getting close to that lady” The key word is “lady”. You really think all your lecturing about douchebaggery and Chinese crudeness means anything when you bully a lady? How do you make your case by calling her ugly? Where’s your photo, so if we don’t like your comment we can ridicule your appearance? Maybe I’m old fashioned but has being a gentleman become something nobody strives for anymore? I don’t mean you need to pull off your coat and place it over a mud puddle for her to step on. How about just a little common decency and understanding that Eattot’s coarse language(which she probably learned most of it on this forum) is a result of not having the skills to defend herself, especially when people here are bombarding her with insults that have nothing to do with the topics at all. Of course, she’s going to lash out. Who wouldn’t? Give the lady a little credit for still trying to participate no matter how much shit she has to endure from people without any agenda except to be shitty human beings.

          • El Puma R.

            I do listen to reason, so I read everything you said.

            Credits to eattot for her part on our little forum community. And I say it with no intentions or sarcasm.

            Now let me ask you, since I agree with you on “Lady” being the key word of all this: A lady who isn’t or doesn’t do anything that represents a lady and all the femininity that it comes with, is she supposed to be treated as one?

            Don’t get me wrong, I’ve come to think like this because my family is crowded with successful good looking and independent women… I’ve been brought up to think a lady has to be a lady and earn the respect that comes with it. Look at Linette Lee, she’s taken all the shit we’ve given to her yet she still comments and is open to other people’s opinions. Look at Kate, always answering to everyone without the need to troll… these are what I call ladies. You’re right even if I disagree with you, so from now on and for the sake of the good forum’s relationships, I will stop myself from trolling against – what other people would beg to differ- ladies.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Interesting musings. What do you classify as a drink, 1 drink, or a whole bottle? Can’t agree with you I am afraid.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            It half a bottle of red wine for Chinese gurls, then they go red face then need to lie down.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            Maybe they know buying you a drink leads to buying a IPhone 5…
            You dated a lot? waaaaaaaaa
            Laowai groupy!

          • ScottLoar

            You are right Super Bunny, you are right. Most foreign men are misers and won’t even buy a girl a drink; doubters can ask local bar tenders in China to confirm this. On the contrary, a Chinese guy typically wines and dines the girl, taking the lead in where to go. Many foreign guys I see are trailing behind the girl no matter she’s Asian or European/North American.

          • Jennster

            This is why most of the 20-30 top notch chinese will never consider and reject a laowai (minus the ones from poor rural areas needing a green card) as we call this cultural difference that is inevitable. The post-80s generation are extremely realistic. If laowais are in China, it is natural most should follow how Chinese young generation men treat women.

          • Super Bunny

            i wonder what top notch your, can you show me?from which side u can call urself top notch? i am so curious!!!

        • Chinese

          “I always pay for my fair share, and treat my friends to dinner probably way too often. Actually now that I think about it, some of my Chinese friends been mooching off, need to make them treat me one of these days.”

          Stop using the same paragraph over and over again, change some words at least.

          • Alphy

            I didn’t, I can’t help if you read the same thing over and over.=P

      • Gay Azn Boi

        Excuse me? White guys are the best. Now STFU.

      • John

        I read some of your posts. You seem to have a love/hate relationship with white guys. I noticed on one hand you complain about them but on the other you seem to activiely seek them.

        Sounds like a hypocrite to me. Kind of like the Asian girls who cries Yellow Fever/Asiaphile but dates only white guys.

        • Super Bunny

          fuck off, i date chinese guys too…
          idiot. i like to date, that’s it.

      • Jennster

        chinese in shanghai prefer germans (ahh i see you heard of that stereotype as you live there) if they do want a laowai, never an american as they have weird culture of splitting bills. not sure about shanghainese girls.

        • linette lee

          One of my white girlfriend got married three years ago to a white dude. She and her family paid US$30,000 for the wedding. It’s the tradition for USA or some western countries to have the bride’s father to pay for the whole wedding. Crazy no?

          In Chinese tradition, the groom has to pay for everything. He has to show up at the girl’s house and ask for permission to marry the daughter. Then he will offer gifts and money to the bride’s parents. My other chinese girlfriend married to a chinese man and he gave her parents US$10,000 cash in red envelope plus a roasted pig with gifts. His family also paid the whole wedding.

          I think I will go the chinese way. hahaha…lol.

          • the ace of books

            It’s the tradition for USA or some western countries to have the bride’s father to pay for the whole wedding

            Yeah, my friend told me about that. That’s just mystifying to me. I’ll have to ask my parents about it, because they’re from different countries and I don’t know how it worked for them. I do know I’ve got an English friend here to got married to a Chinese girl and there was confusion over payment. So weird.

          • Germandude

            Hold on. In western countries the bride’s father is supposed to pay the wedding? I can say for certain that this is a myth. Usually it’s the couple that marries to pay for the whole wedding, most of the time equally supported by both families.

            I paid the wedding celebrations in Germany for me and my wife. My wife’s family paid the wedding celebration in China.
            If my wife would’ve told me that I am supposed to pay, I wouldn’t have married her because I would feel “it’s just for the money”.

          • linette lee

            If you really love her why you mind about paying for the wedding? Or for her meals? You can have a small wedding paying like us$5000 and it’s still a wedding paid by you the groom. No big deal. You really love her then you two have to compromise about how much to spend.

            Who cares. Now a day most couples do 50/50 on wedding. Wedding is so over rated. I see people spend like 30 40 thousands for a wedding it’s so stupid. It’s just a show.

            I know I won’t pay money for the wedding at all. Some one has to pay for it and it’s not me or my father. maybe I just won’t have one. lol.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            9 quai to get married, 9 quai to get divorced, bargain!

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            aint you past your sell by date? So you need to marry lawoai now?

          • linette lee

            oh be quiet. You see. Women’s age is like a market value. The higher her age the lower the market value. lol… So the lower her age, the higher her market value. If you have a beautiful young girl willing to marry you, you better pay her father big money. lol…..hahaha…

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            yea thats a fact! I have to make do with the Chinese men rejects!

          • Germandude

            Well, culture. I just wouldn’t feel good if my wife would’ve said: “You pay. I want the wedding to be this, this, this and that. But you pay.”

          • linette lee

            You pay…….

            I like this. I will try this next time.

            “You pay…..”
            hahaha..lol XD

          • ScottLoar

            No, the bride’s father paying for the wedding is not a myth. If the bride’s parents cannot afford the wedding then the cost is split, but otherwise the father of the bride pays to no one’s astonishment. Well, may be you are the astonishing exception who can’t believe it.

          • Germandude

            Where are you from then? I promise you in Europe it’s either a split of costs or it’s the husband (and his family) to pay. There is not a single one of my friends that married differently from what I described. Come to think of it, uncle, parents, grandparents and so on all fit to what I described.

            There is also no big custom of asking the parents of the woman for permission to marry. The girl is considered old enough to decide by herself.

          • ScottLoar

            I’m American, born in the USA and from that land many, many generations even before the USA came into being.
            Again, it is not a myth that the father of the bride pays no matter the European experience, and to ask the parents for permission to marry the daughter is a formal courtesy. You can understand that? It is a formal courtesy, a singular mark of respect to the girl’s parents, and does no imply giving away the daughter because she can’t decide for herself. You can see the difference? Yes?

            Frankly, I don’t care what the custom is in Europe; I dislike your pronouncements on marriage customs as being universal in the West. So, no, the father of bride pays and it is not a myth in the US.

          • Germandude

            Hold on man, I am not trying to fight with you. I am well aware that it’s a US custom you are describing. It’s just confusing when people say “In the west it’s like…” when actually they should say it’s like that in the US. While Europe and US have many things in common, there are also many aspects that differ as we can see here in our little marriage example.

            I get that “formal courtesy” mark of respect. With the emancipation in Europe, you can however safely say that for many women and their parents it would look like you are trying to buy the girl out of the family.

            Cultural difference is all I am saying. I am not judging which one is better or right or bs like that!

          • ScottLoar

            “I get that “formal courtesy” mark of respect. With the emancipation in
            Europe, you can however safely say that for many women and their parents
            it would look like you are trying to buy the girl out of the family.” And this is exactly why I took pains to explain the custom and not have it misinterpreted by a current generation that is all too often concerned about what is socially correct. Do you get my meaning?

          • Germandude

            Yes, I get your meaning.

            It’s a tradition that some keep, some disbanded. I am not judging what is right or what is wrong.
            As much as I described the common practice in Europe, you described the common practice in the US. Is it common practice everywhere though? I could imagine that e.g. in California people would not care much about tradition in this regard, considering the hippie movement before.

          • ScottLoar

            I paid for my daughter’s wedding in full as is the custom in the US. Why? The husband will spend the rest of his life supporting my daughter, and the wedding is the send-off the bride’s parents owe to the daughter, the rest of her family and friends. Moreover, my wife and I have the means to do this for her.

            Yes, before the man asked my daughter to marry he first presented himself to my wife and me asking for permission. He was nervous and afraid I would refuse, just like every man.

            Yes, I knew he would bow down on bended knee to ask my daughter to marry him, just as I had asked my wife, and my father had asked his wife, and before.

            Yes, I carried my wife over the threshold of our first apartment. It is the custom.

            When my daughter was born the first question I asked was, “Is my wife alright?”; again, I think most American men would share the same, immediate concern.

          • linette lee

            ……….The husband will spend the rest of his life supporting my daughter,………….

            really?

          • ScottLoar

            Do you think they split the household bills 50/50? Of course not.

            Of course the husband’s primary responsibility is to support and protect the wife and family. Do you find that odd?

          • linette lee

            Yes, I find that odd. Most women I know in the big cities work full time job splitting the bills with their husbands. It’s 50/50 once they are married. The women will do almost 100% of house chores like cooking, cleaning, and taking care of the kids on top of their full time job outside. The husbands usually get home from work and sit on the sofa and watch tv with kids. The moms have to cook and clean and do hw with the kids.

            That’s what I hear all day long from my co worker. Marriage = slavery for most women. Unless they marry to rich men so they don’t have to work outside and just stay home to take care of the kids.

          • ScottLoar

            I do see that many men do little more in the house than plop down to watch sports on tv while the working woman does all the housework and cooking. That should not be tolerated, and any woman tolerating a marriage where the household bills are split 50/50 should divorce.

          • linette lee

            ………….any woman tolerating a marriage where the household bills are split 50/50 should divorce…………..

            They are getting divorce. Don’t you see the divorce rate is so high in today’s society especially in major cities. They say most divorce is due to financial disagreement between husband and wife.

            It’s once upon a time men work outside and women stay home to take care of kids. Now men and women work outside, and women come home to take care of kids on top of her full time job outside.

            I hear my coworkers complain about their husbands all the time. Nothing good. They call their husbands useless. lol………

          • Jennster

            If both work full time and pay rate is same, then it is common sense the house chores are also split 50/50. if the man earns higher than women can do 70-100% chores. if the guy is rich and both work then a maid /ayi would work.

            with shanghainese (and my cousin/his gf example), the salary is similar but my cousin does most of the chores and cooking as it is matriarchal.

          • linette lee

            Chinese is different. Chinese believe when a daughter get marry they are giving away their daughter to the groom’s family. So the groom’s family need to offer some gifts and money to the bride’s family. Also the parents of the bride want to see the man their daughter is marrying is financially capable of providing for his daughter and not starve her. You know how in the old days in those village the groom’s family will bring over the cows and sheeps and foods to offer to the bride’s family to show the bride’s father they can provide for his daughter when she marry him.

          • ScottLoar

            Oh my dear, I do know the Chinese are different. I married a Chinese woman from Taiwan, have been to countless Chinese weddings, and am well familiar with Chinese households and extended families. I do know that Chinese parents are more concerned about what is good for their children than what is best, meaning they want their children financially secure above all other happiness or achievement, and so like many other countries they look to wealth.

          • El Puma R.

            Come onnnnnnnn that’s bullshit ! if a chinese parent nowadays is so worried about financial matters then it means they want to see how much they can get, not how much their daughter will get.

          • BiffyClanger

            i think you will find this is called a pride price.

          • Super Bunny

            hard to say, really!
            just in some cases…in case you did not marry selfish man or lazy ass.
            sometimes if the girl’s family spend too much on wedding, then husband will not care much for her any more. he feels the divorce cost is low for him.
            really!!!

          • El Puma R.

            Insult me , whatever you want, but you, Linette and most Chinese people got me really tired talking about money. Y’all might be rich (or trying to be) but your brains are still poor just like brother Mao wanted you to be, a plain ignorant hard-working starving farmer with no permission to sing or fly. You’ve done all this trouble to yourselves, congratulations eattot and most chinese people for thinking about how much you can get before thinking about how much you can give. China is like purgatory, children are living away from the sight of God. (God as a point of view regarding morals and ethics, not as the big beard guy from a book who will smash you because you never believed in Him)

          • xi ding dong

            You coin slit faces are so afraid of being cheap and getting your fucking not meaning anything money, because you never had shit like the niggers in africa and define all your fucking nonsense life style in basically worthless printed shit paper, which will be worth less than toilet paper (because you would smear all this herpes you guys contract in the massage places to your brown assholes) when your corrupt and moral free middle kingdom collapses and your breed is eating up each other out of pure selfishness and unability to feel symphathy for your next one. peace out, and if I sounded racist or offended somebody, then I meant to! cheers

          • Germandude

            Nice, get a great beat to that wall of text and ask JayZ if he can make a great Rap-song out of it… And I say that while I hate rap…

          • xi ding dong

            oh and it was mao’s fault when he made the precious parts of your culture disappear by killing millions of cultured people and placed those donky fucking square headed ward faced farmers in the ruling positions and their descendants are now coming to hong kong to let their little locusts shitouts piss and shit in the subway

          • Germandude

            Hold on a minute, did I somehow subscribe to the course “History one-o-one” taught by xi ding dong? Can I unsubscribe? Reason: The teacher sucks! So does the course.

          • xi ding dong

            ist irgendwas von meinem statement inkorrekt?

            btw, Don’t feed the troll :)

          • Germandude

            Abgesehen davon das alles sehr vereinfacht ueberdacht wurde und Du damit vielleicht auf Deinem Stammtisch Applaus ernten wuerdest… herzlichen Glueckwunsch! Heute Morgen wieder die BILD-Zeitung gelesen?

          • xi ding dong

            sorry dude, google translate doesn’t really do it’s job well here.

          • Germandude

            Then I translate for you:

            Apart from everything you posted being simplified, you would probably only get applause from your mates on your regular table. Congratulations! Did you watch FOX news again this morning? (the newspaper BILD is as great as FOX news when it comes to reporting independantly)

          • xi ding dong

            Achso, na dann schnapp ich mir demnaechst einfach ne sandschueppe und nen wischlappen und regel meine probleme in der ubahn selbst!

            btw, don’t feed the troll

          • El Puma R.

            That’s because in the last few thousand years Chinese women have been treated like objects… there’s no real smile behind you lol’s.. You said above you make more money than most men… blablabla, so worried about money, what he should do, what they should do… blablabla, you just proved you consider yourself and object and therefore you are a disgrace for all women in this world, the worst problem for all women are women like you who objectify themselves. Dumb hypocrite.

        • ScottLoar

          Most Chinese women I know in mainland China have at first been shocked that American men are typically cheap, going to very inexpensive places for coffee or a snack (“Can you believe he asked me out to eat fried rice?!” as one woman told me), or even expecting the girl to pay her “half”. Ask a Shanghai cab driver who typically pays the fare, the Chinese woman or the foreign man. Ask a local bartender how many times he’s seen the American wanting to split the bill with the girl or worse, complain about the cost.

          Shanghainese and Chinese in majority (like Koreans) somehow think Germans are a superior lot, that is until they get to Germany and discover German attitudes and what life is really like. And similar: A woman I know, well and happily married to a Swiss, with a baby in her arms was actually approached on the street by a man in Basel asking “how much?”.

          • Super Bunny

            your right. once i met an american guy,quite handsome and he said he is whatever a manger took me to a small place then ordered fried rice, i told him i was not hungry,so then bye.then no more.

          • ScottLoar

            And you were quite correct to do so. If not cheap then he lacked any show of confidence; either is enough to chase away a Chinese woman.

            Come to think of it, why would he even mention his position? Only a jerk does that so early, trying to impress.

          • el pedro negro

            STFU. What you are saying is stupid, what the eff is wrong with you.

            1. Have you considered that buying a girl a cheap meal on the first date is a test to weed out all the gold diggers?

            2. Position? So you’d have people dance around the topic they worked hard in life to get to where they are? As if job didn’t matter? Get real old man.

            The first thing you do when you introduce people is your name, your occupation/industry. Fucking Standard operating procedure in the 21st Century gramps.

            You sure talk confidently for someone who don’t know shit about shit.

          • ScottLoar

            I answer your questions in turn:

            1. A test to weed out gold diggers, because he’s afraid and so he’s just being cautious? Surely you can’t be serious? A guy who treats a girl cheap eats on the first date isn’t testing, he’s demonstrating his basic nature, which is more cheap eats punctuated by cheap, cheap, cheap. And women can sense the stink immediately, Black Peter.

            2. No one of self-respect introduces himself by job title or defines himself by position in a social situation; doing so is pathetic but may ingratiate one to people like you, for example. This is quite different from a business meeting where your name and title are expected. I understand this may be hard for aspiring but insecure and enfeebled men like Black Peter to grasp.

            Among friends one’s background and accomplishments are secondary to friendship which is based on different premises. I suggest you learn that lesson before even more disappointments enter your life Black Peter.

          • A guy

            This is for everyone just about.

            Thanks again China-smack for destroying my faith in humanity and our capability for rational thought.

            Between men and women and other cultures there will always be misunderstandings and things that have to be negotiated between them inter-personally.

            Chinese people like to use money more to convey fondness than Americans, I have Chinese friends and they are always jumping at the chance to pay for our dinners and the like. This is the way they show their respect and care for me, I assume that Chinese girls expect that if a man cares he will show it. It is a gross simplification to always assume that this is “golddigging”.

            On the inverse American’s like to untangle their finances because they are taught to be independent monetarily and see paying for someone or being payed for as patronizing, or somehow cheapening and complicating the relationship. To American’s money just complicates things, so it’s best to leave your ties purely emotional.

            As people who live in China or come into frequent contact with people from outside of your own culture you should have the wherewithal to see these differences and look beyond them to the true heart of the relationship seeing clearly what is culturally acceptable and what is abnormal and clearly defined as cheap or golddiggy.

            Compromise and be open people, when I feel uncomfortable with the amount of food being bought for me by a Chinese friend I do something for him that would make up for that cost, like buy a gift when I know it’s his b-day, surprise him with something he’d want that is of similar value to the meal, pay for his dinner next time, or tell him i’m uncomfortable because of cultural differences if I think he can accept that.

            When on a date with a person from a different culture I would change the way I do things to fit their customs. I would pay for a Chinese girl a-bit more often than with an American girl. I think that regardless of the culture a woman or man is from (outside of customary monetary exchanges like a first date etc..) they would care more about things that are free and clearly take effort and care like a massage, making them dinner, listening to them, being unashamed of your relationship by letting them into your world, taking the time for good cunnilingus (or blow job), making gifts for them if you can, remembering things about them , etc… than any money issue.

            What you shouldn’t do is demonize whole groups of people based on some anecdotal experience that you had. There are dicks and cunts in and from every country and if you learn the culture you can always spot them. Don’t be a dick a know whats going on around you and you won’t have to be defensive or dismissive at all.

            Good day.

          • BiffyClanger

            Thank you, a lone rational voice. Applause.

          • el negro pedro

            1. Clearly Scotty, you have zero experience in China. I would suggestion gaining some knowledge about what China is like before you open your fucking mouth. You can call me cheap all day

            if that makes you feel better about not knowing what the fuck you’re talking about. This is 2012 China not 1970 USA gramps.

            Let me educate you: imagine this scene; highly educated American, top tier university, great family back home, great job at a blue chip MNC, six feet 170, blonde, blue eyes, bright future. Throwing this man into China is like dropping blood into a shark tank.

            Clearly though, you’re a fucking hippie who lives in a cave and lives on rainbows and unicorn spit, or are relatively low tier uneducated person who doesn’t worry about conniving women because you have no money.

            2. What universe do you live in? Amongst friends, titles don’t count true.

            But First dates are fucking interviews my friend. Love don’t pay the bills. Who is your girl married to? A fucking jianbing cart breakfast man from the boonies? Get fucking real. I’m sure you’d be singing a different tune if your baby girl brought home a janitor. Grow the fuck up.

            I’m sure in bizzaro world, a community college degree, a firm handshake and a smile will get you far in life. But in the real world, status matters whether you choose to accept it or not. it’s a fact of life.

            Consider yourself schooled Boy.

          • ScottLoar

            No, not a lovelorn (you do know the word?) and aging hippy (I served in Vietnam during the late psychedelic 60′s) and still quite gainfully employed, thank you; once again you need stand corrected Black Peter. Look at my posts under ScottLoar or as Scott in this forum, both in English and Chinese (hell, I’ve even thrown in a translation from Spanish to English, “Pedro”), but most telling is how you willfully ignore posts on this very subject of dating and cheapskates by the Chinese girls here. You don’t get far, Pedro, you don’t get far in China.

            But say, this is the second time in a short while you’ve referenced “tiers” in defining social status which reveals a very small man trying hard to be bigger and badder than he ever can be. And you, with the simple mind of a pimple-faced adolescent and the expression commonly found scrawled in a public latrine, think yourself worldly? “Pedro”, talking dirty to your girlfriend in bed doesn’t count towards the street smarts or manliness you so desperately crave.

            N.B. I advance the benefit of a doubt by assuming you have or had a girlfriend, but the women in this forum can gauge that better than I.

            P.S. Can you really recognize the characters 煎餅?

          • Gaius Baltar

            But in the real world……Soooo, is China the real world then…boyo?

          • Gaius Baltar

            Well said my good man, well said. It is best not to be too smiley and goggle eyed at everything in China, indeed, it is better to be aloof and cold and distant, when on a first date, asking for directions, or where something is in a supermarket etc. Also play down your chinese knowledge so they can’t try any trickery. In the west it is called being “Street Smart”, like you would have a game face on when walking in a tough neighbourhood. You certainly know your onions re: chinese women.

          • Gaius Baltar

            No, my good man, a chinese gal goes on a date with me she sits on a filthy plastic stool on the roadside, eating various lamb and tofu bits on sticks, drinking beer out of the bottle. No expensive fancy bars or restaurants, and certainly no more than 10 rmb at lunch. Learn that lesson, and you will weed out the chaff and the dross from the pile.

          • linette lee

            ………………. took me to a small place then ordered fried rice, i told him i was not hungry,so then bye.then no more………….

            hahaha….lol you are so funny. Fried rice???!! okay bye..no more.

            hahah….lol

      • mr.wiener

        “i think white guys treat girls much worse…
        most of them are very tight…especially american..”

        Have to ask Gat az boy for confirmation on that I think :)

        • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

          He was tight , then he moved to Canada and now its like throwing a kipper into a bucket.

        • Gay Azn Boi

          Lol I think Asians are tighter. Go to gay hook up sites and you’ll see men looking for “tight Asian boys.” O.O

      • filabusta

        No we just have the ability to spot a gold digger.

      • Gaius Baltar

        Germans? You will never be introduced to the guys family, ever. Every single german guy I knew in China was a playboy to some degree, I think you are dead wrong.

    • mei jou

      There is a misconception, Chinese parents prefer white teacher, not
      because they think white skin is better, or that white people are
      superior, but because they want their children to learn authentic
      accent-free english. These parents themselves don’t speak a lick of
      english, so if you are asian, they can’t tell if you speak proper English or not, you may have accents. you may have certificates or degrees, but fake certificates and degrees are easy to get in china.

      • Joking Right

        Yes, they don’t mind mexican, french, germans, etc teaching their kids “proper English”, that’s like asking somebody from SanDong to teach proper maindarin.

        • mei jou

          you are thinking like chinese, you think people from shandong can’t speak proper mandrain?

          • Gaius Baltar

            The girls from shandong are hot though, so I’ll excuse them if they can’t speak proper mandarin.

        • El Puma R.

          Yeah we don’t mind America teaching the whole world what’s “Politically correct” either. It’s like asking China to teach “Proper table manners”. Please shut up dude, really.

      • Nilerafter24

        Joking Right is spot on.
        I’ve seen Russians/ Ukrainians who can barely mouth the whole English alphabet get English tutoring jobs before fluent Asians/Black people.

        • Thuan Bui

          So true, though not China related but I met a Croatian in my Korean class in Korea He was white and he had heavily accented English ever! Surprisingly he failed the class because he opted to spend his time doing private “English” tuition rather than attend enough class hours to qualify to take exams. His Korean ability was only good enough to chat up dumbass Korean girls at a bar. As we know Koreans (Chinese people too) are so amazed at any foreigner being able to speak any basic Korean or Chinese. Its like Moses coming down from the mountain and telling the Israelite the 10 commandments i.e. shock, amazement, love and admiration

          • Gaius Baltar

            Then blame the racist views on white skin of east asians, not those from a poor eastern european country trying to earn a living. What’s wrong with chatting up girls at a bar? No young man your views are all skewed and wrong, learning the language, a smile, and a cheeky slap on the bottom will get you everywhere. Personally I think using the bible to teach english is a great idea.

          • Thuan Bui

            *Yawn*

            I don’t think learning basic words and some crap to chat up girls classes as learning the language. If so then heavens I must speak like 20 languages!

            *Yawn*

          • Gaius Baltar

            You are missing the point. The croatian enjoys his life. Would you rather he was miserable back home? Spoken to any people from the former yugoslavia? I have!!

          • Thuan Bui

            But to be honest from my conversations with him (both in English and Korean). He was what we call a COCK! Not only my opinion but the opinion of other people in the class too. His condescending nature to Korean people who don’t speak English well and his words about Korean women in general (easy, slutty, etc). And that is my point about foreigners in Asia (not many nice ones representing westerners and if there are, they don’t stay in Asia long)!

          • Gaius Baltar

            The thing is they are not nice because they realize the culture doesn’t reward being NICE. To be all kind and nice means you will get trampled all over more times than a mouldy mat in a bathhouse. Communication works in a different direction in east asia and being all smiley at all times is not always a good thing.

          • Thuan Bui

            So being NICE doesn’t reward is the excuse you use for being a COCK? Lost faith in mankind have we?

          • Thuan Bui

            Seeking a better life is one thing but just going abroad to live, take advantage of a better life and continuing to be a twat is another thing. Once a twat, always a twat regardless where you go.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Your entitled to opinion, but as a brit from a poor working class part of England does not mean I have to agree with you my lad. Better to be a womans body part as you call it abroad, than bore everyone to tears with at home working in burger kings or cleaning the bogs at a state school now, is it not? And yes, Croatians should be allowed to work abroad.

          • DavidisDawei

            Very good exchange Guys – you touch on many issues.

            I started following Chinasmack several years ago because I was weighing the option of living in China.

            I suspect a majority of “foreigners” stay involved with China because of Money (job, business opportunities, cost/standard of living, et al).

            Leaving your native country for a better life is not so new, but for Americans, I suspect many will be looking for their “American Dream” outside of the USA in the coming years.

          • Gaius Baltar

            Thanks for the reply. I mean I’m not qualified to even clean toilets in a school in England such are the strict nanny state regulations, so 14 classes a week for 5-5,000 rmb month with a free place to stay sounds fine by me, done it before, not shamed to admit it. If it was the other round and Chinese could get a salary for minimal hours with a free place to stay in the US or UK, they’d be chomping at the bit. As the east rises, with a lower living cost than the west, it will always be an attractive destination for single guys looking for something better than their humdrum lives in the west. The thai/viet guy can’t understand that and is just being pig ignorant as suits him.

          • DavidisDawei

            Gaius,

            Millions of people have come to America and made it their home, but is that an option for those going to China?

            Do you think you will be able to assimilate into China or will you have to return to the country you are a citizen of?

          • Kate

            I think asian countries make it hard for any immigrant to assimilate and make it in the country and if you don’t look asian, then it’s even worse.

            That was one of the reasons I always felt like that I could never permenately live in Korea and why all the expats I worked with felt the same way. In Korea (I’m sure it’s similar in China) foreigners are “villianfied” as some kind of disease spreading, drunken, loser who only wants to contribute to the moral decay of the country and corrupt the citizens (or screw all the local women if you’re a foreign man) or that we are somehow so different from the citizens, that we don’t have families or feelings or cultural norms like traditions and that their traditions must be so foreign to us. I mean why else would Korea require mandatory HIV screening of foreign ESL teachers but not Korean teachers? Do they sincerely believe that foreigners are HIV carriers and Koreans aren’t? Or the fact that there are no laws protecting foreigners from discrimination or racism.

            I rarely experienced open, confrontational racism in Korea but I certainly was always reminded of being a “waygook”. I mean in the USA, if a Korean is a walking down a street, American children don’t stop, hide behind their mother, point and shout “WAYGOOK!!!!!!!!!!” And yeah, that has happened to me in Korea. One thing I and other foreigners I worked with always felt like was that we were “animals in a zoo” with the way people stared and pointed and talked about us, like we weren’t people with actual feelings. Americans don’t sit next to someone who isn’t white and then start talking about that person like they are too stupid to understand what they’re saying in English but in Korea, I can’t tell you how many times Koreans would be watching and talking about me and my friend at a restaurant or something like we were too stupid to understand basic Korean words to know they were talking about us. It’s not all negative attention though. To some extent I always felt like I was treated as some kind “shiney oddity” that Koreans were interested in. I had groups of school girls following me around telling me I’m pretty and trying to practice their English or people on the subway wanting to ask me all kinds of questions and to practice their English or Korean men proclaiming they love me or people randomly coming up to me and wanting my picture (somewhere in the world, there are several Chinese men with my picture). However, the positive and negative attention like that makes it hard to assimilate. If I were seen as an ordinary citizen, i would have none of that happen to me.

            So no, I don’t westerners can ever assimilate in China or Korea as “just one of the locals”. Just not looking like them is enough to make everyone stare at you.

          • DavidisDawei

            Kate
            I am guessing waygook is similar to laowai or waiguoren?
            Isn’t it fun when young children hide behind their mothers when they see you coming? HaHa –

            It is easier for them to identify the foreigners in Asia. That is probably one reason it has been more difficult for blacks to assimilate in the USA. I’m sure you would have some trouble guessing where my grandparents were born. I have trouble differentiating Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc – (seeing only their face ) – maybe it is easier for the Chinese (many claim they are able to identify non-Chinese).

            Quite a few Chinese have told me they “hate” Koreans.
            Do Koreans consider themselves superior to the Chinese?
            I ask since you are married to a Korean and several Chinese have told me this is how Koreans behave (“superior”).

          • Kate

            Don’t all the asians believe their particular asian country is the “best” and superior to the other ones? Every Korean I have known (husband included) are pretty nationalistic and believe Koreans are superior. We own all korean stuff at my house….two kias, a samsung fridge, an actual korean, and a half korean baby ^_^

          • donscarletti

            I think Chinese very much like foreign brands (LV, Audi, Starbucks, KFC, etc) and revere them over domestic brands. The Japanese, though they seem to be able to make luxury brands that almost match the european equivalents and are internationally famous in their own right (Lexus, Midori whiskey, etc) or buy foreign brands famous in Japan (Lawson, 7/11, etc) they still do like to appreciate the best of the world. South East Asia, Malaysia, Phillipines, Singapore, etc are extremely open and seem to wholesale import culture from the West, Taiwan/Hong Kong, Japan, etc.

            I think it’s just Koreans who seem to be proud to tell you that they’re wearing nothing but domestic clothing. Insularism is chic in Korea, whereas it would be considered “土” in China or “hick” in the west. Something to do with being alternately raped by China and Japan for two millenia gave them that attitude, I can’t say I blame them.

          • ScottLoar

            As you probably know, Midori is the green, Japanese melon liqueur; I’m sure you intended Suntory whisky which is highly rated and Japan’s most popular brand.

          • donscarletti

            Woops, same company, different marque.

          • ScottLoar

            All you say is true. At worst you are a loose floozy, at best a Western woman incapable of understanding the subtleties of their culture or language. Fluency in the language does overcome a lot and allows a few to see you as something other than the caricature of a “waygook” but generally most repeat without reflection the platitudes they’ve heard about foreigners. Yet, take your example as racism, as prejudice, and the locals will vehemently deny it, proclaiming that no, there is no discrimination or racism or prejudice in China, or Korea or wherever. This is frustrating to those of us from multi-cultural societies which allow for ethnic differences, but even that feeling will be denied us by most Asians.

          • manofearth

            crazy sick lil scottylaugh – pl. do take ur prescripted medication before posting… ; )

          • ScottLoar

            You should note I’m not the only one to hold this opinion but I’ll reply in stead.

            Your feeble derision is an excellent example of failure to reflect on the subject and intellectual dishonesty. You post short, derisive comments only to show disagreement ; you seem incapable of reasoned argument nor can you follow a reason when it is presented. I often wonder why Chinese in particular when posting on-line in Chinese or English almost always resort to “ha-ha-ha” as a countering comment. Again,you are an excellent example of failure to present intelligent comment.

          • Kate

            Oh yeah, the foreign women are sex crazed nymphos with big vaginas stereotype (fact: race has nothing to do with vagina size at all. Vaginas are pretty standard sized, some are big, some are small, most are in between)Anyway I had to be careful and my korean parent in laws and I would butt heads over how I dressed. I wanted to dress like the korean women naturally but because I’m white and foreign I could not because I wasn’t the “same” as korean women, that men looked at me more and they were right. One night I wore a short dress to my father in laws restaurant and he got so mad that men were looking at me that he hid me behind the counter in a corner to do organizing….but I got free draft beer ^=^♥. Clothing in Korea was difficult, I would walk into a store and be told “NO large size!” By an employee often…When I lived in Seoul I was 119 lbs, us size 4, 5″4 and easily fitted into the one size clothes…-_-….ever have that happen?

          • A guy

            Sounds a-lot like how foreign men are viewed too. Though with the crazy numbers of yellow plague victims arriving on their shores it may have some truth behind it.

          • booooo

            come on vagina size does have something to do with races. usually big ass=big vagina just think a small ass girl with big vagina i mean there is not enough place for it at all. plus you men believe they have bigger penis thus bigger vagina to suits it…

          • mr.wiener

            I’ve heard of penis size being measured and compared amongst the races ,but never vaginal sizes. Got any data links you want to share on that or were you just repeating something 4th hand?
            Kate I don’t think Scott wasn’t actually calling you a floozy, he was agreeing with you in his rather pompous style.

          • A guy

            You clearly don’t understand anatomy.
            Continue your quest for the almighty clitoris.

          • starsky

            if what you say is true then why do asian women have the majority of Cesaerean sections? my sister in los angeles had to get one when she gave birth to my nepew. my ex-wife who was italian american had less complications with the birth of our daughter

          • A guy

            Then why is it highest for African Americans, and lowest for Hispanics? Do Latino ladies have huge snatches and Black ladies have little straw shaped ones that can’t accommodate birth? Or could it be that you just said some racist uninformed shit.

          • A guy

            If you are trying to say that Asian’s have more C-sections when they have babies with white guys then you may have a leg to stand on. ( http://anthropology.net/2008/10/06/higher-rates-of-c-section-deliveries-for-asian-mothers-white-fathers/ ) I recommend reading the debate at the bottom because it has bearing in what you are talking about. The measured difference you speak of is in the hip bone and is a .3 cm difference and if you extrapolate what that may do to Vaginal size you will find that the difference would be negligible especially during normal intercourse, and given the general size difference in “Finnish and Japanese” people it is quite a small difference indeed. Vaginas like dongs are mostly all about the same. The idea that any races genitals are that incredibly different is based off of anecdotal evidence and racism.

          • ScottLoar

            The majority of C-sections are unnecessary and occasioned by the insistence of the woman to reduce labor abetted by the doctor to avoid natural birth complications and legal consequences. No, that’s not my opinion, you can look into the subject yourself. Begin with the prevalence of C-sections in China where, I assure you, the majority of women are impregnated by Chinese men.

          • ScottLoar

            Years and years ago in Hong Kong when Japanese buyers were the only ones buying name brands in the shops at Tsimshatsui I walked into a Bally outlet to look at the shoes. The salesman shook his head saying “We don’t have your size”. And how did he know that? The store stocked triple-E widths to fit Japanese men.

            A true story. With my Korean business associate driving the car was going down the rise of an eight-lane highway in downtown Seoul when suddenly a cab pulled over to the right curb well in front of us and a Korean babe in a miniskirt snaked out. Traffic almost came to a stop as cars suddenly slowed, honked, veered, and my friend shouting “Look at that!”. That girl brought lanes of traffic to a stop without anyone seeing her face. Can’t say I ever saw that happen again, anywhere. Can’t say I’ll forget that sight either.

            Here’s something odd. My Chinese wife is always being addressed by Korean women in Korean, in the airports, in restaurants, when shopping, anyplace there are Koreans outside Korea. When she replies in English that she’s not Korean many will give her a dirty look, thinking she won’t admit she’s really Korean. I tell her to reply in Chinese and sometimes they’ll then believe her.

          • Kate

            If you were an attractive woman, you’d be surprised at how much attractive women are given, how much men will go out of their way to please an attractive woman. Attractive, young women get a lot of privileges and attention. Or even a moderately attractive young woman. I’ve had my gas paid for twice by random men who thought I was pretty, they never said anything to me, just saw me, went to the gas clerk and paid for a full tank of gas for me. When I was single and out, I didn’t have to wait to be seated anywhere if the host was male. I would normally get a table right away even if there were people ahead of me. I’ve gotten lots of discounts from male employees, I’ve had my food bought me for me several times by strange men. Once, when I was 16, I had middle eastern man offer me $1000 to go back to his hotel room with him in Las Vegas. I declined. Men go stupid around pretty women. But beauty walks a razor edge too.

          • Gerhana

            the joke is tasteless, deleted.

          • ScottLoar

            Gerhana, able to see and acknowledge a trifling error, you’ve gone up a notch in my regard.

          • Gerhana

            it is good to be acknowledged

          • Gaius Baltar

            So no, I don’t westerners can ever assimilate in China or Korea as “just one of the locals”.

            But there are benefits to that,you are not bound by the rules as much, and are exempt from a lot of things.

          • Gaius Baltar

            A fair point you put across, I have known a few brits who married chinese wives and have stayed. 1 thing to remember is it is easier to get access to longer visas than a single expat or foreign teacher without a chinese wife would be able to get. It won’t happen in our lifetimes, but as everyone realises the “western dream” isn’t really all that great, more young people may well migrate to the east.

          • Thuan Bui

            Thankfully, I do not flip burgers nor do I clean bogs. And I am from a poor working class family.

          • Ka

            Ha Ha Ha – it’s a SATIRE, people. It’s a joke. Enjoy it for what it is. Very clever writing, ‘George!’

        • Jennster

          If a Chinese want to learn reggae singing (as seen in voice of china auditions) or athletics they employ black coaches, not white, and doesnt matter what african race he is. it’s the same thing. you are thinking too much into it.

          • Jennster

            the root cause of this is for the chinese they emphasise and acknowledge the root race that invented their original/native culture. for japan they import root chinese culture and call it their own. same as the british. this is the cultural difference foreigners don’t understand.

      • filabusta

        Yeah who cares if they are losers, if they can speak English fluently that’s all you need. I work with like ten non-native speakers. I just don’t understand what’s the difference between a Ukrainian and a Chinese English teacher, but I guess they haven’t quite grasped that yet.

        • mei jou

          The problem is they don’t speak english, so they can’t tell if you speak fluent english or not.

        • Jennster

          it doesnt matter. chinese can’t tell the difference between ukrainian and english/american languages and their people so they lump all white in english speaking category. that is why most just use foreigner not race.

      • El Puma R.

        An undeniably and absolutely retarded game, no matter how many excuses you put in front of me. Thousands of parents waiting in line to pay those fees just for lies, and if I talk about it, I’ll lose my job… so be it, I don’t work for that kind of people anymore -.♦

        • linette lee

          If you don’t know a word in Chinese and you want to hire a teacher to learn. Would you hire a Chinese person graduated from school in china or a white dude telling you he can speak chinese and he has a degree in chinese studying in USA?

          I think you will pick the chinese person.

          • El Puma R.

            Yeah but just like in china, in the west we say Asians look all the same, so the paradigm would be the same as well. I’d love to see those fucking passports and degrees, just the face wouldn’t be enough for me. That’s why I say it’s retarded… because they don’t use reason when it comes to handling the money to the schools. And if that “teacher” is white but I can be sure he speaks proper Chinese, then why not? many people do it that way, and those teachers are qualified.

      • linette lee

        but because they want their children to learn authentic
        accent-free english…………..

        I agreed. The chinese parents don’t know English at all so they can’t really tell if the white person is qualified to teach English. All they want is their kids to learn accent free English. And the Chinese school also understand this kind of mentality so they hire White dudes over black dudes because to the chinese English = White. The chinese school don’t want to pay extra neither because teachers with certificate and master degree = more $$$ to pay them.

        And also chinese hire black dudes to teach hiphop dance. To the chinese hip hop = black.

    • Duke

      I’ll tell you why I came here. I was making 3-4 times what I make here in America and working three times as much for it. For a while there our company had us all on 60 hours a week minimum! America is great but many good jobs in America are salary positions. Salary just means slavery. You have no life, just money. Sure in China you don’t make much money as a teacher, however you don’t work much either. It’s a pretty stress free living situation. China is a nice break from a “good” job in America in my opinion. I agree that it can be difficult sometimes to deal with the uncivilized portion of the population but like you pointed out they have those in America too. I think it just seems worse because there are more people here living in close proximity and the generally slow development of morality and hygiene in China.

      • Gaius Baltar

        Sure in China you don’t make much money as a teacher, however you don’t
        work much either. It’s a pretty stress free living situation.

        And that suits individuals like myself, who like to write, take photographs, and detest places like Beijing and Shanghai.

  • linette lee

    ………….And can freely download music!……………..

    That is so dumb. You can download music on youtube for free.

    • Germandude

      I heard in Afghanistan, you can download movies for free with 4 mb/s. Unfortunately, plane tickets to Kabul are pretty expensive.
      Afghanistan – land of the dreams…

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        still its a better choice compared to the US internet!

    • Gaius Baltar

      How? Most ways I’ve seen require some not strictly legal software to do so.

  • Gay Azn Boi

    “China’s elites head to America, America’s rejects come to China…”

    Lol so true. I wanna see the day when a loser from China is able to go to the United States and teach Chinese where the only credential required is the guy being Chinese :p

    • Gaius Baltar

      The guy being chinese would not be the only credential. Unlike Taiwan, China accepts fake degrees, even though the official line should be degree & tefl certificate. But rules are meant to be broken, so anyone who is white can teach in China, they wouldn’t even make it out of the airport in Taipei, that is for sure.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      Yes its well known fact Canada is the easiest country in the world for Chinese to get into.
      Survey somewhere backing that up.

      • Gay Azn Boi

        The Chinese have practically taken over Vancouver.

  • Germandude

    Well, actually it takes a certain standard of education to be able to leave your home country behind to start in a foreign country and become successfull there. Except of course you consider living on social benefits in a foreign country as a better standard than your life in your home country.

  • curl of the burl

    Interesting. I guess it depends on the person. I think China is good if you have a good job or if you like the lifestyle but if you want kids and a house, maybe not. Hence I’m not in China.

    • Germandude

      True. I came here for an internship, returned to the Netherlands for 6 weeks and then was back in China due to a job offer from the company I did the internship with. My wife is Chinese (who I’ve met in the Netherlands during studies) and as soon as it comes to getting a kid, we’ll return to Germany where we bought a house. Home is close to the Dutch border, so job-wise my wife should’ve good chances.

      The experiences I gathered in China were good and I don’t want to miss them. However, this is no place to get old.

      • Archie

        My wife and I plan on having our child here in China, and putting it through the primary education here before returning to the west.

        The little fucker should learn how to 吃 a little 苦

        • Germandude

          Ok, I understand your intention. I thought the same for quite some time until I met more and more people who have told me that in fact, most kids forgot the Chinese they learned when not being confronted with the language anymore.
          On the other hand, I also spoke to people (CN-GER/CN-NL couples mostly), that said they raised their kids in Europe and taught the language themselves, or through extra Chinese lessons and they did fine.

          What I am trying to say is: I think your plan is not wrong at all. Just make sure that you continue with confronting the kid with the Chinese language once you come back.
          My wife and me have agreed on the following: My wife will only speak Chinese to the kid, me only German and my wife and me will continue communicating in English. Hopefully the kid can catch up those 3 languages over time. I am positive though after talking with several multicultural couples.

          • Archie

            Sounds like we have similar ideas.

            We’ve read research that if you put a kid in a language environment until they are about seven to ten, it will more likely stick. It’s at about that age that schooling in China REALLY starts to suck, so good for us to move on.

            The in-laws speak the local dialect, my wife both, but putonghua will be her contribution, and mine English.

            When we return to the West, her parents will be coming with us, so the child (even without lessons) will get the grandparents talking to them in some form of Chinese anyway.

            And in my country, after English, Chinese languages are the second most spoken language now, so in ten years time, who knows!!

          • Germandude

            So am I right assuming that you are not European then? I am just wondering because the idea of taking your partner’s parents with you is awesome. But almost impossible to do in Europe.

            My wife and me want the kid to know that it has 2 home countries and that it should not lose the roots to any of them.

          • Archie

            You’re right. From down under.

            Once we move back there, we can apply to have her parents come too. There is a two year waiting period, or you can pay some $50,000 per person to cut the queue. But they’re happy to wait.

            We’re lucky enough that we have property here in China, and are in the process of buying some down there so that, like you, our children can have more choice as to which “home” they want to call their own.

            Does the EU not offer some kind of migration visa for parents if you wife takes up a citizenship?

          • Germandude

            Well yes, the EU does it. BUT it is freaking awful. Give you an example: My wife and me are married already, based on German law. However, we live in China. In order for her to get the GER nationality, we will have to live in GER. She then gets a 1 year allowance of stay. After that year, she gets another 1 year allowance to stay. After that, she can apply for the GER nationality.
            My parents in law can come for a visit of course, with an invitation of me, but the stay cannot be longer than 180 days.

            A migration visa for the parents? Don’t know tbh, need to look it up. However, I doubt that they actually want to come over. My wife’s parents are divorced. Maybe my mother in law would come over more once she is older than 60.

        • the ace of books

          Lol @ your comment, and it sounds like you got your ideas worked out for raising ‘em, but I still wouldn’t want to raise a child here. Safety concerns, “look-at-the-little-laowai!”ism, smothery-grandparenting, and social expectations all kind of make me ehn about the idea.

          • Archie

            Safety concerns everywhere. Not only do I feel Chinese streets are significantly safer from unprovoked acts of aggressions (as opposed to Australia), but Australia is about to begin a royal commission into peadophilia. Kids there are untouchable and increasingly turned into narcissists because of schooling system where children can never be told they’re wrong. Throw in the awful diets that are causing an obesity epidemic, immuno-disorders and allergies and you have just as many reasons to be worried about raising a child there.

            Besides, I like the fact that the grandparents will be around and willing to help out with raising a child. My folks not physically capable of being able to be left to look after a child due to their physical states.

            The one thing that does concern me is the environment and pollution, and if it gets worse where I am, who knows. But the locals seems to be speaking out more and more against it, so lets hope it has reached its peak in the big cities at least, and slowly starts to improve. I’m hopeful at least on this front.

          • DavidisDawei

            China is such a big country – it would be helpful to know where in China you are living?

          • Archie

            It doesn’t matter, moves to start improving the environment and pollution problems can be seen everywhere. From ground-roots protest to stop dirty developments, to actual government concesions that there is a problem and they have plans and money to do something about it. http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/asia/217058-beijing-vows-56bn-to-curb-air-pollution-in-major-cities.html

      • Alphy

        True. The air quality and food safety issue alone warrants a second thought about raising kids in China.

        There’s also human trafficking you have to worry about. I just read a story about how a kid almost got kidnap for sale by a guy in a fast food restaurant. The guy wanted to sale the kid, so he took the kid to the bathroom when the mom wasn’t looking, then shaved his head, changed his clothes and prepare to walk him out the door.

        Luckily the mom freaked out and had the store go into a lock down mode and did a searched through the restaurant. The perpetrator escaped the bathroom window, but they found the kid, shaved and in different clothes.

        • the ace of books

          ……… wtf, where you at? I just heard the exact same story from a friend of mine, only it was about a mother, her daughter, and they were in Carrefour. This guy (the one I heard it from) was in Carrefour too, and he had to wait for it and heard about it happening.

      • curl of the burl

        I agree there. Great memories in China. The work experience there does make you very adaptable too IMO. Always admired how Europeans could master so many languages. Haven’t heard any European speak Strayan yet though.

  • Archie

    Favourite comment: Dies of lung cancer a year later

    • mr.wiener

      Favorite comment: “China is suitable for losers to live in~” Unintentional irony there.

      • Kai

        I actually think many of them intended it to be ironic and self-referential, to their credit. Not all, but many of them.

        • mr.wiener

          cool, good to hear.

  • RegisterToPost

    This seems to be a common thing among expats. Pic related:

    http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pt0cc/

  • Jahar

    Personally I don’t see the problem with people going to another country because the have better options there….

    Also, something tells me that going back would be like getting out of prison. Might be hard to adjust.

  • Max

    Got the feeling that half the commenters here on Chinasmack didn’t understand the text, and even less of the commenters on Weibo. All you guys thinking of a white trash american looser coming here to pick up girls, please bother to google for George before writing nonsense.

    • starsky

      its originally communist goverment propaganda implying the white man is better off in china than in the usa. but the weibo’ers interpreted it differently thinking he is a looser

      • wacky

        with the rate of exchange 6:1 what make you think that they dont??? not just american all the people from developed world are, i had an irish friend once who never took a bus, always ride a taxi because it is cheap for him.

    • wacky

      whether they are picking up girls or not is not important, the treatment they get just by being white is the problem, why do you think of that basement guy anyway? there are many like him all over china and all over asia, un-recyclable trash living large while immigrant from china working hard dont make any problem doesnt get special treatment (not even hoping for one) yet still being attacked by racist white supremacist.

      anyway tell please tell me your google result

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        Wacky its was hoax written by a Chinese man from Beijing, so please fck off with your stupidity, its not wonder the Government here as to block all the bullshit on the internet that causes trouble. Fking idiots for reposting it here

        • wacky

          whether it is a hoax or not it is well known that foreigner in asia receive special treatment this case whether a hoax or not is not the problem. there are clear differences concerning in the treatments received by the westerner and the treatment of chinese and asian in general in the west.

  • ItsfunnyOK!

    It’s a parody, a piss take, if you read his other articles he never left China, he just wanted to poke fun at foreigners for coming to China then leaving because China is “unwestern”

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      Well then far to deep for idiot me and the idiot Chinese who read this crap.

      hes just making the situation worse in China for the foreigners who do live here.

      Also any connection with thebeijinger does all creditability for this person.

      • wacky

        every country should make everything should be made worse for thrash like him

        • el negro pedro

          George is fluent in 3 languages, went to a top 20 school in the US, his parents are intellectuals. Who are you again? A angry fengqing descendent of farmers who can’t get married because you don’t have money, house or car. That’s the truth, and it fucking hurts.

          • ScottLoar

            And who are you, Pedro? Someone of some little experience of China who constantly frustrated now haunts forums like China Smack to relieve himself by pissing on others, especially Chinese or anyone empathizing with them.

            Say, why not deliver your screed above in Chinese to show us you understand the lingo? That your time in China has been put to some good use? Or, show us line 38 of your U.S. Individual Income Tax Return form 1040, adjusted gross income. Then let the rest of us decide if you merit a high enough standing in this game of King-of- the-Mountain you play to warrant putting others down as a “descendent (sic) of farmers who can’t get married because you don’t have money, house or car”.

          • ScottLoar

            George流利三種語言﹐上過美國二十大學校之一﹐父母屬於知識分子階層人士。你算老級﹖也不過是農村出來得沒錢﹐沒有房子﹐沒有車子一個可憐的憤青者。真理無情﹐是嗎﹖

            I especially welcome Black Peter’s critique of my grammar.

          • wacky

            so what?? this speak 3 languages and went to 20 top school in the US still ended up a looser in the basement that is what american educational system create?? a looser in the basement
            probably the truth is you are the same kind of looser created by 20 top school in america like that guy and come to china for the same reason that is the truth and it fucking hurts for you

          • wacky

            anyway my parents are not farmers but i dont look down on them because farmers are better than this person , his parents and surely you too.

            many farmers work hard to send their children to school compare to an american top 20 school graduate who speaks 3 languages and live in the basement.

  • http://www.joshmcfarland.net/ Josh

    Only 300 an hour? What a rip off! I’m making 400.

  • Kate

    I think this says more about America then anything. College grads have a 55% unemployment or under employment rate now. There aren’t jobs for graduates. Last spring when I was applying for teaching jobs in the usa, I was getting emails from principals informing everyone they had 500 + applicants for ONE job. Now as a teacher, unless you have good connections, you’re expected to sub teach (a part time job that has zero benefits and pay is $65 a day) for a year or three to get a full time job.

    Now you have asian countries like China and Korea who DO have full time jobs with benefits for graduates and a pay scale that is measurable to what a full time elem. Teacher makes in the usa. This is no different then say an indian immigrant who comes to the usa for a job or a mexican. If anything colleges should be preparing grads to work overseas. Maybe Americans are becoming the Mexicans of Asia.

    • Germandude

      Please don’t try to actually bring logic into the discussion why people are looking further than the edge of the plate. You will confuse many people here…

      • Kate

        My bad but its true. I’m in this delima myself right now. I applied at over 1000 teaching positions when I came back to the usa last spring from Korea. I had 3 callbacks. I am not a loser, I graduated a well respected college with a 3.8 gpa, president of my professional association, work experience, and great professional references. And I only had 3 schools call. Letter after letter telling me 500+ applicants were applying. Principals wanting people with more specialized degrees like a Ma in SPED but that takes another 2 yrs and 20,000 more in debt. And not only was I competing with new teachers but lots of veterans who had lost their jobs when the state cut budgets.

        Now a teacher in my area has a starting salary of 32,000 yr, that’s it. The job itself is incredibly stressful and turn over is 50% within 5 yrs. And that’s if you can even get hired. Now go to Korea for example, same teaching job, less hours, same pay, plus cheap healthcare and a great national pension system. And the job responsibilities aren’t even 1/4 of what a usa teacher has to do. In Korea I had only a phone bill too. Plus lots of opportunity to make extra money on the side. I was making $170 a week for 3 hrs of tutoring in the afternoon. Korea has better jobs for americans then america does. Probably china too.

        Last time I checked, unemployment was at like 7.4% in the usa officially but there was also a recent shrink in work force which means people have simply given up looking. Now realistically if you take into account unemployed, under employed who are making poverty wages, and those who have lost hope and given up then the unemployment rate in the us is probably around 20%. I mean 55% of new grads just this yr alone will not have a job within 6 months of graduating because the usa has not developed enough jobs to keep up with grads. Now couple that with insane healthcare cost. Its scary and depressing. Now you have these countries like China and Korea who have plenty of jobs for american grads, who have great healthcare that is cheap (at lleast korea does I dunno about china), who have national pension that is matched 50% by employer and there are actual jobs with benefits full time that pay as much or more then american employers who don’t have jobs available. These grads aren’t losers, they are victims of a poor economy, a recession, insane healthcare prices, etc.

        Its sad but grads are better off not in the usa.

        • wacky

          just asking, what do the korean think about foreigner working in korea generally?

          • Kate

            Aah its a love/hate relationship generally. Korean men have more of a problem with foreign men in the country then foreign women. I am treated well in Korea but I also am always with my korean husband who translates and speaks for me which gives me access to communicate with Koreans better. I also have a korean mother and sister and father in law that gives me full access to Korean culture. I am much more immersed in the culture then the normal expat and generally koreans are very nice to me.

          • http://www.facebook.com/noah.altman Noah Altman

            It’s called competition and Chinese men don’t like it much either. Interestingly, women in both countries (at least the ones I’ve met) don’t seem to care either way. It’s not all bad; I find the hostility from men provides many shining opportunities to demonstrate value.

          • wacky

            care to explain competition for what?? a white looser live in a basement come to china and get respected more what competition is that??

          • hess

            hes not white though

          • wacky

            white black red brown grey purple is not the issue useless foreigner should be kicked out

          • hess

            “useless” he’s most likely a better English teacher than 90% of the Chinese English teachers here. What’s your beef though?

          • wacky

            why because he is american????
            does he have any qualification for teaching english??
            why cant he just be a teacher in america then??

          • hess

            Hes qualification is being able to speak the language unlike the vast majority of chinese english teachers.
            Can i be a math teacher to some tribals in kongo? Most likely. Can i be a math teacher in sweden? Nope.
            What is it exactly that makes your butt hurt so much? Cant land a girl?

          • wacky

            that is not a real qualification, to apply for a job you need real qualification, so any mexican immigrant can teach spanish in the US?. what makes you hurt so much for my comments? cant land a girl? or are you the same basement looser like him?

          • wacky

            do you think korean need foreigner in their country??

        • Germandude

          Oh I wasn’t disagreeing with you. At all. My mom is a teacher herself for around 30 years now. She is on the 2nd highest pay level according to the German school system (which is approx. at USD 72,000 net/year). Plus, she is on a tenure-track position which gives additional benefits such as: tax reductions, low payment on the highest healthcare standard and most important: She can’t be fired (except she had sex with a student, murder or promoting stuff against the constitution), gets 13 months salary and has 3 months paid vacation a year. Great job.

          However, times have changed and if you were to become a teacher now, most likely, you will not get the benefits anymore and if you are not delivering an outstanding job, well you can lose it. Nowadays, becoming a teacher is regarded as: smart person but too lazy to go to the free economies.

          Nowadays, the expectations of the companies are pretty insane if you ask me. Best job offer I’ve read in the last months was the following: “The ideal candidate is 25 years old, has a university degree in business or marketing and has a minimum of 6 years working abroad”. What they forgot to write was: “Is working for free”. I mean, how are you supposed to graduate from school and then take a 4 years study program, add 6 years of work experience and be only 25 years old?

          I went to China not because I couldn’t find a job back in GER/NL, but because of my wife and my interest in China. Here, I didn’t write job applications while I switched companies 3 times already. I was hired through other companies (competitors) because they got interested in me and approached me directly.

          Now back to while I was studying and trying to find an internship (as part of my study programme), I don’t count how many applications I wrote but certainly over 50.

          What you are writing about the unemployment rates back in the US sounds very similar to the European problems. Don’t worry though, demographics are changing and soon they will welcome you back with open arms.

          • Kate

            Enjoyed the reply! My husband and I and little one are moving back to Korea this spring probably. I mean he is Korean and so moving back to Korea will be great for him but its messy in itself too. For one, my parents won’t get to see our baby grow up in person but then again his parents are missing out right now because we are in the usa. Also he very well can lose his us permenant residency if he goes back to Korea. I mean I’m sure you know what its like, you’re in an international marriage too.

          • Germandude

            Well yes, I know what it’s like living abroad and not being with your closest family all the time. However, since I don’t have a child yet, I can only assume what it must be like for the parents in law not being able to see the little one growing up. Must be awful for grandpa and grandma too.

            All I can say is that I hope my kid(s) will take the best of German culture and the best of Chinese culture and not lose any of the family roots. We will be travelling a lot back and forth so that the kid at least knows it got 2 places far away from each other that it can call “home”.

        • Alphy

          @disqus_3ntu2nOx6o:disqus Sorry to hear that. It does sounds like you have an impressive resume. It’s quite sad that there are so little positions in the educational field in the USA. I think one of the big problem is that we don’t have enough funding in education, and it’s one of the first programs to receive spending cuts. Instead of spending money on our future, we spend disproportional amount of it on military, we sure have priority straight.

          Best of luck in Korea. =) Been to there before, it’s a wonderful place.

        • DavidisDawei

          Kate,
          I would suggest you look to start your own business. Look for some niche that isn’t being maximized yet. Unfortunately, USA employers are looking to utilize part-time or 1099 employees now.

          Government jobs are going to be even more highly sought after in the USA; the unions know this and you are already see the battles over jobs/benefits.

          The “Good” (low seniority) Teachers will continue to get the short end of the stick as school budgets shrink. We say we value education in this country, but cut languages, music at the drop of a hat. If school systems were smart, they would use this economy to shake the system up and change the way education is handled.

          The military is a great option for many and they are hiring. I would choose this option again if I was 20 years old today.

        • Gaius Baltar

          Principals wanting people with more specialized degrees like a Ma in SPED but that takes another 2 yrs and 20,000 more in debt

          It is a similar situation in the UK. They will wipe off any previous student debt and give a 5,000 UKP golden handshake if you are prepared to be a maths or science teacher. 1 girl I knew who did the retraining after she left China had her mums spare room to live in. If you are single bloke coming back and you have to pay rent, bills, eat, then studying for 1 or two years may well not be an option.

  • DIKTATER

    Guys…relax… most of you, much like the Chinese bbs commenters above can’t seem to grasp the concept of SATIRE. George has trolled you all.

  • wacky

    looks like yang rui made no mistake at all

  • Slob

    The interesting thing is, ‘losers’ from China can also make a lot of money in foreign countries. I was working during my university years as a cleaner in a huge shopping mall during the night shift. We had 8 Korean workers who couldn’t speak any English but were making around $600 a week which was fairly decent as a cleaner.

    When I crashed at my bros house in Sydney, I met his 4 Chinese flat mates, one of which was a labourer. He was making $1000 (6500RMB) / week compared to other Aussies who only made on average $600-$800 as labourers. He told me his salary in Shanghai just a few months prior was only 800 yuan / month.

    Of course there is a slight difference when you look at how white foreigners are treated so well in China compared to foreign labourers in western countries who are looked down upon, but they’re still making a lot of money which is a lot more helpful for their family and themselves compared to some guy who can say “Oh look, I made $1000 this month and shagged 3 girls. I’m so epic”

    • Jennster

      i know chinese international students or pr make like 50-75k in austalia. it’s extremely high. even my cousin and his gf makes 55-60k lol.

    • wacky

      those people are working hard doing the job that your people dont want to do they are willing to get less payment and more working hours, while that basement guy from the article are just fuck up looser. the fact is comparing immigrant in the west and foreign trash is just lame and stupid , immigrant do not get respected by the people because of their looks or because they are from 3rd world country the way white looser do.
      anyway why cant that basement guy stay in the US and do the cleaning? at least you will got less people complaining about not getting a job

      • Chinggis was here

        wackjob,

        He’s not white; he’s American and has Chinese parents.

        The article is an attempt at sarcasm, and as you seem a tad slow to pick up
        on that, he never went back to America and therefore had no need to return to China.

        Yang Rui’s new ‘Glory to the Motherland English Course’ (with Chinese characteristics) seems to be working for you. Are the Buddhism studies progressing well?

        • wacky

          whether he is white american black american chinese american or any stupid american it does not matter any useless foreign national should be kicked out

          yang rui comment make sense for people like him,

          “he never went back ”

          that is why the govenrment should kick him out

          “”buddhism etc”””

          i have no problem with buddhism from the first place only illiterate idiot like you who could not read very well.

        • wacky

          anyway i learned something about buddhist

          they are fucking crazy violent people who like to kill muslim

          http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/aljazeerainvestigates/2012/12/2012125122215836351.html

  • Gaius Baltar

    Problem is, what would you have this guy do, twiddle in his thumbs in that room, earning nothing except welfare, and with no hope of a job in a creaking economy?!

  • Jeff

    How do you get from the USA to China on $40? PLEASE DO SHARE.

  • bjrenrrr

    women in china are easy, local’s heads are damaged by communism so getting a job is easy, no law or civilization so do whatever you want.. its a good place to wait out all of the problems going on in the global economy. and hey, they dump loads of students into america, using their fu er dai and guan er dai money to pay tuition, right? so this is a kind of exchange.

  • Nilerafter24

    English satire has no place in China. Unless it’s painfully obvious, 90% of the ‘English speaking’ Chinese will usually not get it, mistranslate it, re-blog it and cause chaos.
    Countless times, the Chinese Media has fallen for English satire from various satirical news outlets.
    I’m really not surprised.
    At least some netizens are not so blinded by their hate of all things foreign that they got the joke.

  • wacky

    did somebody delete my comment?

    let me say it once more. t
    hat post above prove that yang rui has been right all along

  • Paul Schoe

    To put everything in perspective, I hereby quote Ian Shaw from The Beijinger where George posted his amusing rant:

    The background: George’s November column, entitled “Why I’m Leaving China,” was a satirical take on the numerous farewell-to-China articles that had been published by expats winding down their China experiences. Some people didn’t get the joke.

    For his December column, George thought the obvious next step would be that his fictitious alter-ego, having returned home, would struggle to adapt and make a hasty return to China…..And this time even more people missed the point.

    Kudos to cultural expert George Ding

  • Jahar

    I think it’s funny that the people who caught that it was satire think the satire is directed at China and not at us idiots. Also, I got some ketchup chips in the mail today.

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      I don’t get it,because he’s Chinese?
      Needs explaining to me.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        yea born in Beijing, so Chinese born and is Chinese so there for should wind is neck in and stop pretending to be a westerner.

        • Kai

          George grew up in the States I think? He is a Westerner too. I think what Jahar meant was that a lot of people thought George was making fun of China when most of his satire was actually directed at expats.

          • MrT

            but he Chinese born, looks Chinese so the things he said make no sense, its totally misleading, if he saying from it a westerner point of view and states that its fine, but he applying it to him self.
            The Chinese readers don’t these facts.

            So he just trolling the TBJ forum to get hits, I should know.

          • Kai

            It makes sense if seen as satire. He’s not relating his own experiences or point of view, he’s relating a caricature’s experiences and point of view. The use of a caricature by him and the recognition by a reader that it is a caricature is part of what makes it satire. Those who didn’t recognize it as a caricature therefore missed that it was satire.

            I don’t know if he’s “trolling” a “forum”. I think that’s just an online reprint of his column that appears in the magazine. He writes for theBeijinger so of course they’d reprint it online. It’s not like he’s just some random forum member. If by trolling you mean he wrote something intentionally to elicit a negative emotional response from readers, maybe I guess, but that’s kinda unavoidable in satire, right? Something is going to be made fun of or criticized in satire, so someone is bound to have their feelings hurt and have a negative emotional reaction, right?

            The story here on cS is more about the Chinese netizen reactions and how they interpreted it when it wasn’t intended for Chinese audiences at all and was probably easily misunderstood because satire doesn’t translate easily.

          • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

            yea its a load of crap, doesn’t need explaining , not as interesting as the American singer here (courtesy of the Beringers Cream on the ball people)

            http://www.56.com/u78/v_ODEyMjg0Njc.html#st=8&fromoutpvid=ODEyMjg0Njc&

            not all fcking idiots are they.

          • terroir

            oh hai kai

            So you’re telling us this bad joke on weibo was misinterpreted by Chinese who don’t get satire, translated back into English and then misinterpreted by Westerners who take this criticism as earnest, and now counter-protested by strident pro-Chinese commentators, and the circle of life…?

            I guess you’ve done your part in furthering misunderstanding and making the world a better place; a dragon will never go hungry if it continues to eat its own tail.

          • Kai

            Uh, I’m not entirely sure if I’m interpreting your reply to me correctly but for some reason I sense a bit of sarcastic hostility and I’m not sure why.

            We got an email from theBeijinger folks about this story. Whether or not this is a bad joke depends on the reader but I’m fairly confident George intended it to be satire. cS readers can read the full original English article through the clearly labeled link and interpret it as they will. Mr.T said he needed explaining above and that’s what I offered.

            I’m actually not 100% sure the person at Caijing who posted it on their weibo misinterpreted it and I said as much to Iain at theBeijinger. However, it’s evident that a lot of Chinese netizens misinterpreted it. Fauna posted about it because its interesting on many different levels, but most obviously on how satire gets lost in translation and how that shapes what people take away from George’s article or what views (or prejudices) George’s article elicit from them. Looking at what Chinese netizens think and say online is a big part of cS.

            What did I say that is furthering misunderstanding? I was trying to be helpful by answering Mr.T’s questions.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            oh hai kai

            You didn’t write this story, and I also wrote a comment direct to the mouth of the horse George Man that explains my thoughts more clearly, and you’re kai, one thoughtfully measured response after another.

            But: if all of what you say is true, and as sure as you’re kai it is, then why weren’t all of it apparently clear to the reader at first? It’s clear to you because a) you’re kai b) you know the “rules”.

            You’ve explained everything well and clear – great. So why isn’t this text at the top of the page? Why is it buried among 300+ comments? Is it because if it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be 300+ comments?

            And that’s how your clear explaining is furthering misunderstanding.

            We’ve never spoken before, but I get the sense that even if you were in a Tarantino Mexican stand-off you’d still be that way.

          • Kai

            I get the feeling you’re trying to make this personal and I don’t know what I’ve done to make you feel like you have to do that.

            I’ve read your exchange with George now and here’s what I have to say in response to your above comments:

            Satire is no longer satire if you preface it with a warning to readers that it is satire. Satire, like humor, is impossible to ensure that 100% of readers will immediately recognize it, just as humor cannot ensure that 100% of beholders will laugh. Especially when it is translated into a different language. How can anyone write something and personally ensure that any subsequent translation by other people will capture the same tone, intent, and context? Do you write hostile comments to the producers of Prison Break, The Big Bang Theory, Homeland, etc. for all of the Chinese people who watch those shows with less than perfect fansubs attacking them for not providing enough context for their plots and jokes?

            You’re asking for something that isn’t reasonable much less possible.

            More importantly, you don’t even live by your own criticism. Your comments are filled with pop culture references making them minefields of misunderstanding if anyone who wasn’t a native English reader or familiar with such allusions were reading them. How can you hold George to a standard you don’t even attempt to abide by yourself?

            I get that you’re now attacking me personally or maybe cS overall for not prefacing this post with a note telling readers that George’s article was satire and that Chinese netizens may have misunderstood it. In your exchange with George:

            would you say that translation without context is improper? Like, here at this site?

            I mean that if something is translated, it requires the proper context to be understood properly.

            My question to you is, how much context is appropriate? Where do we stop and give readers the benefit of the doubt, that they have enough intelligence to figure things out on their own, that they have critical thinking skills, that they’re not idiots who need everything spoon fed to them? When it comes to covering subject-matter about another country or culture, how much context is required to explain the many possible reasons for why a person might have said something?

            For example, it turned out that you didn’t know this post was a translation of a Caijing Weibo post and thought George himself had written it. It tells me you can’t read Chinese (which is odd because you’ve translated posts for cS before), because the original post was clearly marked as by Caijing. It also tells me you didn’t catch the last comment that Fauna included precisely to mention Caijing again and link to its Wikipedia page explaining what Caijing is. It’s possible you didn’t click to check the source despite cS consistently providing it, or if you did, you still didn’t recognize that it was the weibo of a reputable business magazine (again odd because you’ve translated posts for cS before). Fauna’s note in brackets explaining the shortlink included in Caijing’s post as linking to theBeijinger’s website (instead of Caijing) also didn’t help. The translated Chinese netizen comments expressing doubt as to whether or not George’s article was real or not didn’t help either.

            From our perspective, we thought we included AND gave enough clues while remaining true to our editorial mission of presenting Chinese internet content and comments as they are except translated into English WITHOUT editorializing, so our readers can approach them similarly to how many Chinese netizens stumble onto such discussions and comments themselves without the same context or backgrounds others might have. cS only tries to share what Chinese netizens think in its posts, not what WE think. We’re trying to share what they say, not what we think of what they’re saying. It’s up to our own readers to make their own conclusions. If we want to share what WE personally think, we write our opinions in the comments section like everyone else.

            From your perspective, what we did was not enough. That’s fine. My question is, when a Chinese nationalist says something hostile towards Westerners, do we write a note going on for pages trying to explain why Chinese people might feel resentful of Westerners? When a Chinese netizen says something in critical of China and in praise of the United States, do we write a note going on for pages explaining why they might see things that way? Or can we safely assume people will figure out nuances for themselves with time, further exposure, or discussion with others in a comments section?

            Things are taken or (more often) received out of context all the time. Exacerbating this is that people operate in different contexts themselves. This is why many people immediately understood George’s article while many others didn’t. If you try catering to one, you sabotage yourself with the other. It’s impractical for people to live assuming everyone else is a complete idiot all the time. You don’t. I don’t. cS doesn’t. The world doesn’t.

            I don’t mind if you’re critical of George, cS, or myself personally for not providing enough context, disclaimers, or warnings on everything we produce. We also get that there are people who think we do whatever we do expressly for the hits or traffic or whatever, that we’re sensationalizing or sellouts. I’ve thought the same thing before of certain things Fauna or others has translated and published though I actually happen to think Fauna has toned down over the years and that’s resulted in some readers thinking she’s sold out to advertisers who might object to more sensationalist content. Can’t please them all. But I don’t think its necessary or right for you to make this personal.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            oh hai kai

            I didn’t make this personal. You’ve taken this personally. Any other guy who isn’t you would just just “No, I don’t/didn’t.” But you have written a nice long comment rationalization everything to “I don’t mind… but don’t make this personal” showing that I’ve clearly made you think, and it wasn’t a good-feeling head scratcher.

            I didn’t insult you or make profane comments; I was talking about your role in a bigger organization that has a mandated status quo. If my comment makes you hear something like “Your mother is more fun to ride than a Vespa,” (which I did not say, and isn’t true, and Vespas aren’t that much fun anyways) well then, what is it about Vespas that makes it so personal for you? The Italian Connection? The remake with the Mini Coopers?

          • Kai

            Both you and I are prone to writing nice long comments so let’s not go down that road.

            When you suggest something is negative and then accuse me of being part of it and intentionally perpetuating it, then you’re painting me in a negative light and I think many people would indeed find that objectionable and personal. I don’t think my reaction is abnormal.

            I addressed your complaints about how George presented his article as well as how cS presented this post, as well as your suggestions for what we should’ve done to avoid your complaints. In the process, I said they weren’t reasonable or practical, and sometimes legitimately undesirable. For example, doing what you suggest would’ve neutered George’s intent at satire, and would’ve violated our desire to avoid editorializing. You criticized us and we responded explaining our reasons. It would be nice, civil even, if you could acknowledge our response and their acceptability to you.

            To me, your use of non-sequiturs and roundabout pop culture references come across as veiled hostility, and makes me wonder if you’re genuinely trying to communicate or just trying to obscure the discussion. It’s like people who use sarcasm and jokes in a passive-aggressive way. People can be insulted by being too direct as well as being too indirect. I mentioned sensing sarcastic hostility from you earlier. Why didn’t you disabuse me of it sooner if you didn’t intend for me to take this personally?

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            oh hai kai

            Take this anyway you’d like: if you were a politician, you’d be terrible. Your constituents would hate you for not getting the political gears of mechanisms moving and your own party would hate you for being too honest and forthcoming. Personally, I think this is a compliment.

            I’ve already said what I’ve said. You’ve replied to me and I can see that we don’t agree. Okay. The new thing you said in your comment is that I made this personal with you. I disagreed.

            And now you’re still harping about it as if you want closure like a needy ex. So here’s my statement from which we can both agree upon: your editorial stance here regarding the news/truth is to be coy. If you still want closure after this you can come stalk me on Facebook.

            You’re a great gai, kai. If it will make it up to you, I will completely say that you do great work otherwise. But for you to take this criticism personally means you aren’t being professional.

          • Kai

            I actually don’t agree with you on your statement that our editorial stance is to be coy and I think you contributed to blurring the lines between personal and professional. But I do agree with you that we simply don’t agree on these things. Thank you for the response.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            I don’t know anything about you. If I knew that you like bunnies, and I purposely attacked you for being a bunny lover/supporter/closet case, that’s being personal.

            I don’t harbor any personal misgivings towards you, but yet I sense that you don’t like me very much. You’ve made this personal with me. What can I do? Want a hug?

            “cS doesn’t try to set the record straight, it just tries to show a glimpse into Chinese internet discourse.”

            You just wrote this over there. this is called being “coy”.

          • Kai

            I guess this is going to continue. I don’t know you personally either, terroir, but now we both think the other has made it personal. Here’s where I felt you started making it personal:

            I guess you’ve done your part in furthering misunderstanding and making the world a better place; a dragon will never go hungry if it continues to eat its own tail.

            I said this sounded like sarcastic hostility to me. You didn’t object. You know what else sounded like sarcastic hostility?

            and you’re kai, one thoughtfully measured response after another.

            As well as your repeated insertion of my name:

            But: if all of what you say is true, and as sure as you’re kai it is,

            It’s clear to you because a) you’re kai b) you know the “rules”.

            Or the insinuation that I have an ulterior motive for commenting rather than adding a disclaimer in Fauna’s post:

            Is it because if it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be 300+ comments?

            Or how about the ambiguous pop culture references:

            but I get the sense that even if you were in a Tarantino Mexican stand-off you’d still be that way.

            I understand communication is tied to interpretation. I know people can give the wrong impression as well as simply be misunderstood. What I’ve said is that you have a characteristic way of expressing yourself and it can be ambiguous, often sarcastic, and very easily a cover for hostility. It’s also easily flippant and dismissive, like your “want a hug” quip. Given all this, can you really not see how this can be interpreted as hostile and personal? Are you willing to acknowledge this for us to clear this up starting with some common ground?

            I don’t recall us ever having really spoken to each other before this. All I know about you is that you’ve translated and contributed posts to cS before. This exchange between us and some other comments you’ve made recently have helped me understand that you have a criticism of cS’s format. Seeing that you have your own website aimed at trying to “overcome the misunderstanding between China and the West”, I in fact now better understand what your overall complaint is. It’s not a new one and I’ve had this discussion before with other people. I don’t begrudge you for feeling that way, but I do begrudge you for hiding your criticism in a bunch of sarcasm, pop culture allusions, and non-sequiturs and continuously poking at me personally. I think I’ve replied to MrT and approached this conversation in good faith.

            Regarding “coy”, I disagree. As I’ve said, we have a certain format and I’ve been anything but coy in openly explaining that our format is to not editorialize by trying to explain what every translated comment might possibly mean and why the person is saying such a thing. I as well as our FAQ are upfront about the limitations of our format. Whatever adjective you attach to us, we’re naturally going to think about whether or not it is apt. If it isn’t, we may say so.

            What I’m about to say is not to attack you but an effort to get you to see this from another perspective:

            You think cS is “coy” because we don’t explain enough and thus contribute to furthering misunderstanding between Chinese and foreigners. For us, it is because we think it is desirable to minimize editorializing. You, on the other hand, suspect we do it intentionally for more pageviews. That’s fine. Have you considered that your style of inserting random jokes and sometimes obscure pop culture references can likewise be considered “coy” insofar as effectively communicating thoughts and ideas is concerned? There is such a thing as style trumping substance, where something is so stylized that it becomes less accessible to the broader audience.

            My point above is vaguely about hypocrisy but more importantly about getting some benefit of the doubt from you. The way I see it, I sensed hostility from you and you now feel I’m making it personal for saying I sensed hostility from you. Can we clear the air here and extend some professional and personal courtesy to each other?

            For the record, I find a lot of your jokes funny because I recognize and even identify with the pop culture allusions. How many people in this world would immediately understand what you mean by +7 saving rolls? Maybe a bit more now with the popularization of The Big Bang Theory but honestly, still not that many. You have a certain “geek” persona as do I and we don’t apologize for it. It is who we are. I empathize with your concerns about things furthering misunderstanding between China and the West. I had a group blog specifically about this before we were GFW’d. I get it. Where we differ is how we interpret cS’s effects and its motivations. I’m an insider. You’re an outsider. We’ll necessarily see things differently, but of all the cS people, I think I’ve been the most open and willing to talk about how we see things with you guys here in the comments.

          • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

            oh hai kai

            I love these exchanges, but only if we’re going to be saying new things. Thanks for the plug for my website. You have given me one hit, great.

            I think the mutual respect between us is there. I think you recognize my position and have more than clearly stated your own. You have literally stated that this is “personal” (and have written a lot) when I have said this is solely your own reaction and a defense you’ve come up with. I’m totally happy for this comment to be my last one here because you keep going around in circles.

            No, I’ve made this personal; yes, you don’t mind my opinion and can see the value in having such an opinion; no, I’ve acted too hostile towards you; yes, you think I’m funny; no, I keep poking at you constantly; yes, you keep responding with longer and longer comments; no, you don’t have to provide context with your stories; yes, I am being obfuscating my intent by the sleight of hand of humor.

            This is my last comment here. Free feel to write another long comment afterwards. I may read it.

            You’re a great guy. You’ve had a long history of being Kai and all that entails. I have an opinion about something, and I don’t think it interferes with that. So don’t take it personally.

            Yo, when I offer hugs it’s for “real-zies”. I’m not some kind of “hug tease”. I may meet you IRL someday, and that’s the first thing I’ll do with you. Second is I’ll get you drunk so that I can FINALLY know what you really think of me.

            PS: the one thing – the only thing – that you have said that has made me lose respect for you is your “Big Bang Theory” reference. Please stop it.

          • Kai

            We can continue to disagree on some of the things we’ve discussed, as well as the surrounding meta discussion, but I appreciate you acknowledging what I’ve said.

      • Jahar

        He’s making fun of Western people living in China. Not China. He’s making fun of those “why im leaving china” posts(of one which he already wrote) by posting a follow up.

  • Irvin

    Another white trash being harmonized and reeducated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.gogodancer Gordon Gogodancer

    White trash? ==> that sounds like Chinese frustrated they don’t get any fun. The reason is not how we are WHITE so we can find women easily…i believe the reason is more that a lot of Chinese men are boring, narrow minded racist pricks, whose every word is a boring cliché or prejudice and who drag their girlfriends by the hand like some retarded kid that might run across a road or something.
    White losers?==> Sure a lot of people teach English in China, it’s easy money and they are having a great time. Can you blame them? The people i met teaching English were only doing it temporarily, just to get some pocket money, or while preparing for something else, they didn’t seem like losers in my opinion.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Seriously, NOBODY will take a comment posted by Gordon the go go dancer seriously.

  • the ace of books

    I’ve never been a fan of this kind of satire. If you joke in poor taste and then have to tell people you’re joking…

    (And yeah, I did read his other articles. Guy’s just not my style.)

    Still, though, hoping backlash blows over quick. I might have different tastes but the dude doesn’t deserve to be human flesh searched.

  • http://twitter.com/pchin524 pmc

    America returns a “fake copy” of a Chinese, then China’s anti piracy squad sends back the cheap American product :)

  • John Yao

    No, he is coming back because as a loser Cracker still living in his parent’s basement, he needs to satisfy his yellow fever.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    A person decides where he lives based on if he can download music.. yep, a retard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gordon.gogodancer Gordon Gogodancer

    Where the hell did my comment go? Got censored or something? I don’t think i said anything shocking though…. – -

    • Kai

      What was your comment? As far as I can tell, no comment of yours has been deleted. Another commenter (wacky) also reposted an earlier comment thinking it was deleted (I just deleted the repost). Disqus sometimes doesn’t display all of the comments unless you click “load more comments”. This is particularly true (in my experience) if you’re clicking a link that takes you directly to a comment that isn’t part of the first 50 comments or so and within a discussion thread. The most reliable way to see all of the comments is if you sort by “oldest” and then click the button at the bottom to load all of the comments.

  • Taegeuk

    Even if this just a satire, the message is true. The foreigners who go to Asia tend to be the “losers” of their own countries. Most don’t have good jobs, great education, or money and go to Asia to feel respected because in their own homeland, they have nothing.

    • mr.wiener

      where do asian losers go?

      • http://sinopathic.com/ terroir

        League of Legends. Why else do wu-lmao keep saying “LOL” over and over again?

  • http://twitter.com/sinomite Johnjamin

    I’m floored that so many Chinese people don’t get western sarcasm when so many of them have watched “Friends” and “Prison Break”

    • Kai

      Really? I think humor especially in the form of sarcasm and satire is especially easy to get lost in translation. In my experience, the Chinese subtitles on American TV shows don’t reliably capture the same humor and Chinese people tend to laugh more at the slapstick stuff than the clever puns, rejoinders, and pop culture references that American audiences catch. For example, The Big Bang Theory is rich with clever humor and pop culture references but the Chinese people generally can only relate to sight gags like Sheldon and Raj’s behaviors and facial expressions.

      I’m more floored that so many Westerners with perfectly good English language skills didn’t get the satire.

      • http://soundcloud.com/starhawk-1 Little Wolf

        From my experience, watch “Austin Powers” or something clever and Chinese will just stare at the screen. Show “Jackass” or other “fail” vids and they’re rolling on the floor. Especially if somebody gets hurt. I always wonder why they don’t show “3 Stooges” vids on the bus instead of “Tom and Jerry” and “Mr. Bean” overload.

        • Kai

          Yeah Austin Powers is really heavy on Western pop culture references from the 60s and 70s as well as just being one huge parody of Western spy movies. Not to mention all the sexual innuendo, which is usually impossible to translate. All of that flies over the head of most Chinese audiences because they were just never exposed to that stuff. But I think Austin Powers also has a lot of slapstick stuff too. Slapstick is a pretty universal, very lowest common denominator type of humor.

          I think Tom and Jerry and Mr. Bean are just more identifiable to Chinese people compared to the 3 Stooges. They’ve seen both from their childhoods or recent history whereas the 3 Stooges is much much older in history. They’re all heavy on slapstick.

        • Gaius Baltar

          LW, you are dead on dude.

  • Jennster

    haha beijing is just going through that ‘chong yang mei wai stage’. give them a couple of years as they are in their infancy in development.

  • PixelPulse

    Did he even try??? Two months seems rather quick to decide you cant make it in another country. Plus, who goes to a story and tells them their own products are knockoffs.

  • rollin wit 9′s

    testing if i can post

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      you can ! but you have to wait for the disqqqqqqqq to catch up!

  • Beijinger in Beijing

    A lot of these comments regarding white people, or crackers, or whatever, if you realize that the author of the original blog is Asian American,

    • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

      Shouldn’t need to realize, it should be stated the fact,
      Its a hoax, scam post for the sole purpose of causing disharmony amongst Chinese and foreigners in China.
      A bigger hidden agenda i suspect, maybe on the payroll of the great whites stars and stripes.

      • http://www.chinasmack.com/ MrT

        Beijinger in Beijing ding dong bong

  • Paneraman

    typical poor American forever alone omega. Can’t get a girl, a job, nor a life in US; gotta run to china just to ‘live comfortably.’

    • Gaius Baltar

      Many people fled from China to taiwan and the US. And?

  • Kung

    China is the most liberal country in the world. You can litter, spit, cut lines, fight for seats on subway and download free music and film without getting yourself into trouble. And if you’re white, you automatically get a teaching job and loads of women. The police serve you first and you are in trouble, the woman at the ticket booth gives you train tickets with a smiling face, and hostels always have a bed for you. If you’re white.

    • kung

      *when you are in trouble..

    • Thuan Bui

      LOL! Everything’s alright, when you are white ;)

    • terroir

      You’re also first to be blamed. Comes with the package.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

      You’re obviously not white… I have lived in China for over three years and have none of supposed whites-only perks.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W7RHFJZISREGXKJLPDOXG3NX2U Steve Pan

    Do people not realize George Ding is an Asian American?

    • El Puma R.

      I wonder how many people have the guts to speak their minds publicly.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

      What’s an Asian American exactly? Do you realize how many countries make up Asia? Stop using those ridiculous hyphenated titles and just say what he is… Chinese? Japanese? Russian?

      • murikan

        Because the US is the most diverse nation on the planet, and we value that. We are all from different parts of the world, but we are all American nonetheless. To call a “Chinese American” Chinese would be failing to acknowledge the fact that he is still an American.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003224583672 Mike Anderson

          “Chinese American” equals Race > Nationality. “American” is not a race, it’s a nationality… so saying “Chinese American” is saying someone is an American of Chinese heritage.

          You liberals and your completely irrational PC speech are the reason Americans are so fucking dumb.

  • MrT

    If you gonna flag me tell me so I know what the flag is for, otherwise I will just assume there is more censorship here then the Chinese government got to offer.

    It was the same over at the BBC blog before I forced that closer and toe up Reynolds arse out of China.

    If its one of the regular posters here, grow some balls or hair on it.
    Ya Twigs!

  • Daniel Tynan

    Chinese do have a rosy picture of the foreigners life in China. While there may be some half truths there. . I didn’t choose to stay in China longterm for good reasons. It isn’t not by any count a foreigners paradise. Especially if you are too old for bullshit and married.

  • manofearth

    cmon – who cares bout him- i dont – y do u?

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