Mainland Girl Urinates on Street in Hong Kong, Chinese Reactions

Mainland parents fight with Hong Kong locals over their 2-year-old daughter peeing on the street in public.

The following microblog posted ended at #5 of the day on leading Chinese microblog platform Sina Weibo yesterday and remains the top trending topic and #hashtag# today…

From Sina Weibo:

@凤凰视频: Child Urinates on The Street in Hong Kong, Fierce Fight Between Mainland Couple and Hong Kongers — The quarrel in the images/video is extremely chaotic, with the adults denouncing each other, and the child wailing. This mainland couple picked up their child and wanted to leave with their baby stroller but were stopped by a Hong Konger holding onto the baby stroller. The child’s mother repeatedly stresses “there’s a line for the restroom and the child had to go, so what could I do?” At the scene, there were people raising their cameras to take photos throughout. http://t.cn/8slFM9T”

The link at the end of the microblog post leads to this video on Phoenix Online:

Note: Many of the initial comments by Chinese netizens in response to the above incident as it was originally reported expressed shame and embarrassment. Then, more information came out (see below). The following represent the current “most upvoted” comments on this microblog post…

Comments from Sina Weibo:

秦_天:

Those saying how mainlanders have poor characters [are uncivilized, have poor social etiquette], take a look at how many drunk laowai urinate on the street in Hong Kong’s Lan Kwai Fong at night, then come and talk shit about our countrymen’s characters. Go on YouTube and watch the truth of the video. The child’s mom had a diaper in her hand to catch her baby’s pee. Look on Facebook and how normal Hong Kongers are criticizing those two Hong Kongers for trying to cause trouble [nitpicking].

不若不诺:

My family had a dog in the past that we gave to a relative in the city for a few years. When it was later returned to us, it felt as if this dog had become so foreign, behaving arrogantly when it sees people in the village while wagging its tail happily when seeing people in the city…

我滴脑袋捏:

Luqiu Luwei as a professional leaving out writing “the mother used a diaper to catch the pee” and leaving out “the Hong Kong youths used force against the mainland couple, not allowing them to leave” can be considered deliberate. When someone uses this kind of biased writing, being selective in reporting, and arbitrarily manipulates the facts, I wonder if there is any basic journalistic ethics left.

doEcho:

The child really couldn’t hold it in any longer, so the child’s mother used something like a diaper to catch [the pee]. There’s a group of people in Hong Kong who make it a profession to be anti-mainland, going out of their way to attack mainland tourists, and locals call them #兰花系废青#. Ordinary Hong Kongers on Facebook commenting on this incident almost universally criticize the “废青” [“Useless Youth”?]. There are also people raising examples of how laowai in the Lan Kwai Fong area often urinate on the streets after they’re drunk at night, criticizing the 废青 for not going to photograph those laowai and instead bullying mainland mothers and children.

Forest_木林森:

I just saw someone say the full video on YouTube shows the child’s parents taking out a disposable diaper to urinate into. When foreigners/Westerners in Lan Kwai Fong piss in public, we don’t see you people complaining. Do you [Hong Kongers] still think it is the era where reporting news of “mainland visitors having poor characters” means we’ll just hang out heads and admit fault? Sorry, you guys have things where you are superiority complex, but we also have our self-respect. Hehe, some people just like to be fawning dogs to Westerners, and these kind of dogs need to be put in their place by their Chinese mother.

This story was also the most commented article of the day on Chinese web portal NetEase, with over 50k comments and nearly 280k comment participants at present…

Mainland Child Photographed For Urinating on Street in Public, Fierce Clash Between Parents and Hong Kongers

China.com April 21 report — According to information from the official Weibo account of Dongguan Times, a child urinated on the street in Hong Kong, resulting in an intense clash between the mainland parents and Hong Kong locals. The scene of the clash was chaotic with adults criticizing and denouncing each other while the child loudly cried. The husband and wife picked up the child and tried to leave with their stroller but were grabbed and stopped by Hong Kongers. The child’s mother says there was a line for the restroom and the child had to go so what could she have done?

Well-known reporter and TV presenter Luqiu Luwei said on her own verified Weibo account that the child urinated on the street in public, a passerby took photos, the father tried to grab his camera and memory card, and the child’s mother slapped the passerby. In the video, a youth in white would not stand idly by and called the police as well stopped the husband and wife pair from leaving, resulting in a struggle between the two sides, with the youth being hit with the baby stroller. After police arrived on the scene and investigated, the father has been unconditionally released while the mother was arrested on suspicion of assault, but is allowed to be released on bail and must report to the police department in the middle of May.

However, many netizens clarify that the mother had used a diaper to catch [the child’s urine] and had only hit the hand of the person who was grabbing her stroller.

Comments from NetEase:

网易山东省泰安市网友 ip:222.132.*.*:

I’m numb to this. Watching the video, that Hong Kong busybody was making a big deal about nothing. This is the first time I’ve ever seen someone so low [annoying, nosey, disrespectful]. Fuck, I really want to give him a slap across the face. Who doesn’t have a child [know what it’s like with children]?

网易广东省广州市网友 ip:14.19.*.*:

I suggest everyone look for the complete video. The mom used a disposable diaper to catch [the pee] and [the child] didn’t pee onto the ground at all. Not being able to forgive/tolerate such a small child [doing this], the characters of some Hong Kong people really leaves much to be desired.

丹俊 [网易广西柳州市网友]:

The truth needs to be restored to this matter, but people should remain calm when it comes to this regardless of what aspect. However, if it were me, I would’ve thrown a punch long ago. After all, I have to protect/defend my family.

plally1 [网易江苏省徐州市网友]:

The child was peeing on a public street and although the mother used a disposable diaper to catch [the pee], it is still somewhat indecent/inappropriate. However, this is just a small grievance. Several people grabbing the baby stroller and struggling with the parents, scaring the child to tears like this, is this the character of what you people call civilized Hong Kong people? Both sides fighting like this and surprising no one goes forward to intervene and break them up. Are Hong Kongers all apathetic and indifferent onlookers/bystanders?

网易浙江省绍兴市网友 ip:115.237.*.*:

Hong Kongers are “sons” in the face of the British, “grandsons” in the face of the Japanese [both suggesting deference, supplication], but suddenly they become “fathers” in the face of mainlanders [suggesting a sense of arrogant self-superiority]. This is what happens when people are spoiled rotten.

The video is also currently featured on the front page of leading Chinese video sharing website Youku…

From Youku:

Child of Mainland Tourist Photographed Peeing on Street in Public Incites Fight, Child Scared to Tears

Recently, a mainland husband and wife pair took their two-year-old daughter on vacation. With their daughter urgently needed to urinate, the parents lined up for a restroom on the busy shopping street but were unsuccessful [could no longer afford to wait]. This mom therefore took out a disposable diaper and, while in public on the street, allowed her daughter to urinate into it. Although the street surface was not soiled, two or three young people still photographed the little girl, ultimately causing the parents to have a physical altercation with the young people.

It can be seen in the video around the 4 second mark that the child’s mother is holding a disposable diaper in her hand. At the 5 second mark, the ground under the child is not wet/soiled. This video is the scene of both sides arguing after the police were called, and it can be seen that the mainland parents want to leave but are stopped by the Hong Kongers grabbing the infant stroller. The child’s mother repeatedly emphasizes “there’s a line for the washroom and the child has to go, so what choice do I have?”

In the video, the several youths refuse to let go of the matter, grab at the camera memory card, and clutch the baby stroller refusing to let the family of three leave. The dad is nearly holding his daughter the entire time, asking if any of the youths have children of their own and appealing that children have to pee. The two-year-old daughter sobs but neither the several youths nor any of the surrounding bystanders looking on and taking photos are moved.

The reason these parents had initially grabbed the photographer’s camera’s memory card was because the memory card had images of their two-year-old daughter urinating. Any responsible parent would not tolerate others keeping this kind of image, especially when it may be uploaded onto the internet and publicly disseminated, use as as a perfect example of “not having character [mainlanders not being civilized]”.

In a civilized city, regardless of whether it is an adult or a child, using the street as a toilet to relieve oneself is not sanitary and should be stopped. However, if it is an emergency situation, and especialyl when it involves weaker members of society such as the elderly, children, or the pregnant, then the matter should be judged on its own [exceptions should be tolerated].

Comments from Youku:

灰灰菜89180629

What’s wrong with a child peeing in the street? Is it against the law? Is it immoral? A child can’t control their pee [referring to very small children] and what more, the mother even used a diaper to catch [the pee]. Even if she didn’t use a diaper to catch [the pee], it would still be expected [that its okay for small children to pee in public if they have to]. Don’t think stopping a child from peeing on the side of the street makes you very civilized and noble [well-mannered]. To be frank, it’s just being a pretentious cunt. Being civilized and well-mannered is more about about exhibiting tolerance and humanity. Frankly, no matter how civilized and well-mannered you are [or think you are], you are still human. It’s not like you’ll suddenly change into something else. PS. Talk about not being firm when you should be firm and not being flexible when you should be flexible. What’s wrong with mainlanders anyway? If it were me, you three wretches can try to stop me from leaving and see what happens. If you piss me off, I’ll leave even if I have to step on your bodies.

搞笑阿刘27471864

I feel what these types of incidents reflect are not problems of character but problems of mentality. If the Hong Konger has prejudice against mainlanders, then as long as there is the slightest bit of a problem they’ll limitlessly magnify/exaggerate it, without the least bit of tolerance and understanding to be speak of. A girl says at the end of the video “isn’t there a restroom nearby?” What I want to say is, they [the mainlanders] are tourists, not locals. When the child isn’t able to continue holding her pee, parents get flustered too. They’ve already gone as far as catching the pee [with the diaper, to avoid soiling the ground], what more do you want? Is there only prejudice in your eyes? Where is the tolerance/forgiveness, understanding, and ability to put yourself in another person’s shoes that comes with your so-called good/high character?

物是人非事事休70856012

Don’t tell me this is the so-called character of Hong Kong people? Public defecation and urination is definitely bad, but this is a two-year-old little child. It’s something that can’t be helped. Moreover, she didn’t soil the street surface. These few young people being so serious, photographing the entire thing, is only for one purpose, to upload it online and say mainlanders have low/poor character! Actually, I think this young couple can be considered to have good tempers. If it really were me and I see how my child is crying like that, I wouldn’t be able to control myself and would’ve slammed a brick [attack, beat up] the person grabbing the stroller! Lousy bastard… I feel like yelling at [those] people!!

echo931125

The Hong Konger used a camera and photographed the child’s private parts. Any normal parent would not tolerate allowing him to keep this kind of photo. What more, it’s not like these parents let the child relieve herself wherever she pleased. They clearly used a diaper to catch [the pee], and what more, they didn’t just dispose of it where they pleased [throw it on the ground, litter]. For what reason aren’t they able to forgive this?

jjyyolol

1. The several young people were being too severe [unwilling to forgive/overlook/spare], acting as if they were defending Hong Kong’s social environment but actually had less noble intentions. Them intentionally angering Chinese tourists is simply with the goal of creating and exacerbating a situation. It’s best to respond to these kind of incidents by calling the police and before the police come, not fight/argue with anyone. I trust the police would know right from wrong [be reasonable] when it comes to the issue of a two-year-old child holding in her pee. 2. Don’t think everything in Hong Kong is good, you only need to watch TV to know this. However, Hong Kong too has some people who ulterior motives, instigating antagonism between [locals and mainlanders]. On this point, tourists going to Hong Kong should be clear and aware.

UPDATE: Hong Kong police have clarified that the child is a “boy”, not a girl, and that the mother did not “slap” anyone.

UPDATE: More video and photographs.

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  • arterius2

    Being a ex-mainlander myself, part of me is secretly saying “Good job, show those mainlanders some colors to see see” but after analyzing the entire story, I kind of feel bad for the mother (and the child), since they are somewhat considerate of the situation (by not directly peeing on the street), and the HKers went overboard with their accusations. Although I think she should of just let the child pee in his own diapers instead, I mean, that’s the whole point of diapers right? sure the child probably won’t feel too comfortable after that, but that’s a lesson he will have to understand – Causality. Either try to hold it in and find the nearest bathroom or wet your daipers, but never wipe and spray your little birdie in public, even peeing into a bottle in a corner or something, but don’t do it in plain view of everyone, otherwise you are just asking for trouble.

    Though, one thing is for sure, that this mother wouldn’t ever let her child pee in public again.

    • Ryo Saeba

      Mainland people just need to be more educated about manners in general. When the feeling to urinate comes, it doesn’t come all of a sudden. It gradually builds up. If the kid can’t communicate that to the parents, then s/he should wear a diaper. This will give time to find a bathroom to change the diaper. During the video, the father asks if the guy has kids. There are millions of kids in Hong Kong. Why don’t I see them urinating on the streets as much as I do in China?

      But I am ashamed (being originally from HK myself) because HK kids these days are just self righteous assholes. HK people are GZ/GD people but they are just lucky to be born in HK. They feel they automatically have superiority over mainlanders. Yeah right. And that HK bitch screaming her lungs out, they wonder why HK guys are going to China to find wives. These kids are a disgrace to HK.

      • Slandy

        Sure you’re from HK?

        • Ryo Saeba

          That’s what my birth certificate says… why you ask?

      • Insomnicide

        Slightly unrelated but ironic when they go to the mainland to travel and find girls no one bats an eye but when mainlanders come down to HK for a holiday they cry ‘locust’ or ‘communist’ invasions.

        • IsurvivedChina

          they have higher morals!

          • whuddyasack

            Yeah, calling people “locusts” and “communists”, especially defenseless women and children is higher morals. In reality, they’re Chinese too. Why can’t they see that it could have very well been them? That they were lucky their ancestors somehow managed to get away? Pfftt..

          • IsurvivedChina

            oh I see mummy gave you access to the internet again!

      • mr.wiener

        You got kids? You get zero warning! Bang, it’s there deal with it now.

        • whuddyasack

          I’ve never had kids but volunteered in a daycare, so I wouldn’t know what it’s like being a mom or dad like you. But thank you for understanding. I don’t think it’s fair to blame the mother because when I was in Canada, you’d see dog shit and cat piss everywhere in the parks not to mention people puking and pissing all over the street was quite common wherever bars and clubs were nearby.

          • mr.wiener

            You can’t put a diaper on a dog, but you can enforce pooper-scooper laws.

            Here is the best description i’ve ever seen of infants:

            Infants are the drill sergeants of parenting bootcamp. They give you four basic tasks – diapers, burping, feeding, and napping – and then scream at you when you do them wrong. There’s no encouragement, no smiles, just crying and quiet. And they give you tasks at any time, day or night. Just finished changing my diaper? Change it again. Good job, now change that one.

            After a few months of breaking you down, they build you back up again. They smile at you. They sleep through the night. They hold their head up, so you don’t have to.

            And after It’s over, the tasks you learned – swaddling, diapering, bottle prepping – are tasks you will likely never use again. But the skills you’ve gained – patience without sleep, calm in the face of screams, moving your hand into the shit instead of recoiling – are skills that will serve you the rest of your life.

          • whuddyasack

            Wow, very nicely put. Made me smile. If I ever were to become a dad, I think you’d be a role model. Seriously, lol.

          • IsurvivedChina

            how do you even relate to dogs and cats doing their business outside in a park to a kid pissing on a busy city street?

          • whuddyasack

            When a kid’s gotta go, a kid’s gotta go. When a child’s gotta go, a child’s gotta go. Both parents and cat/dog owners are equally responsible to ensure that their charges do not create a mess. Both also don’t have the ability to control when those under their care will defecate. In light of all this, I find it so ironic when foreigners stereotype and generalize the Chinese as busy defecating everywhere when they are just as likely to do that, even as adults. Read the article comments, laowai pissing and shitting and puking outside Lan Kwai Fong isn’t a phenomena, it’s a daily occurrence. It’s just that no one dares or bothers to target them, including the laowai themselves because goodness knows it’s so much better to shift the blame towards Chinese instead of fixing your own problems, aye hairybelly?

          • IsurvivedChina

            maybe you should stand there with a camera and take a few pictures – start your own crusade if your so worried about it. but as I’ve said before the use of whataboutisms is nothing but a lame attempt to hide behind some form of face! so good luck with that!

          • whuddyasack

            But see, I’m not worried about it at all. If I was so worried about it, I’d be bitchin’ and moanin’ about it day and night like some hairy rednecks do all the time… without realizing how they actually look to the majority of the people who aren’t White and actually native inhabitants in those places. When even civilized and polite people like the Japanese can’t stand the hairy foreign parasites in their rank, then you know something is wrong with you. It’s a classic case of pot calling kettle black, or as I’d like to put it, the toilet bowl calling the toilet seat dirty.

          • IsurvivedChina

            looking at your profile history says a different story, but that’s the problem with the internet, once you put it out there – well you know how it goes!

          • whuddyasack

            That I stereotype and whine about White or Black people peeing and pooping everywhere? Get off your high horse, I just find it ironic that that’s what you guys keep saying about Chinese when you do it too and even as adults lol

            Complaining about foreigner crime and how the clannish enclaves of neanderthals defend such crime is a different story altogether.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you’re right, white people probably are guilty, but this website is called Chinasmack, not whitetraliersmack, constantly bringing up the “what about them” scenarios is a childish attempt at saving face, I get it, when I was young I was always on my high horse about people insulting my culture, but the high horse attitude got me nowhere.

          • whuddyasack

            So when there’s an article about some Muslims raping some nice European girl in a forum and then Muslims jump in to defend the rapists, you’re going to just stand there and let them defend the rapists and defile the European girl? Because that would be the equivalent to the clannishness I’m talking about!

          • IsurvivedChina

            really you got that from what I said? you are younger than I thought!

          • whuddyasack

            No, it should have been obvious. I’m elaborating on my earlier point about foreigner crime and enclaves, i.e. sticking up for criminals just because they happen to be the same “race” as you, not even from the same country mind you.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you are racist! you hate eveything non-chinese! I get it now. I was wrong to think that maybe you would have half a brain and be open to reason. once a racist always a racist, have fun in your little Asian only world.

          • whuddyasack

            Yawn… you’re beginning to sound like an ex-member of this blog who couldn’t come up with any rebuttals except the wacist accusations though thankfully not as low. Yet. I don’t hate everything non-Chinese, and have admitted there are many things that the Chinese can learn from or admire from different cultures, including the orderliness of the Japanese or the ability of Filipinos to smile in the face of insults. I also think pop culture from different Asian countries are very good and am quite an admirer of British history. Most social and philosophical sciences which I enjoy greatly have a Western component as well as some of the greatest quotes known to man.

          • IsurvivedChina

            like i said before, have you ever read the book the boy who cried wolf?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            There are always going to be people on this site who say inflammatory things about mainlanders and other ethnic/racial groups. Just ignore them. Those who use gross exaggerations for any group only wind up ruining it for those who just want to increase their understanding.

          • don mario

            is it really a gross exaggeration to say mainlanders piss and poo everywhere?

            come on, it is totally fair to say.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            SOME, not all. I’ve seen horrific port-o-potties everywhere. The point is, a few spoiled apples spoil the bunch, not all Chinese (mainland or otherwise) are slobs just like not all people who comment on this site are trolls.

          • don mario

            not all but it is a very common thing. the public urinators of china are not a select few bad apples.. they are pretty much normal. its culture dude. they don’t think its bad. same reason you see people hocking up huge spit balls all day. same reason you will see hot girls pick their nose and then inspect it.

            its a fair assesment to say that a fairly large portion of mainlanders do these kind of gross things as the norm,

          • Kai

            The same is true about many other nationalities and populations, such as Indians. What I think understandably bothers some people is when people trot out such remarks with an air of mean-spirited ridicule and condescension.

            A kid who picks his nose, well, picks his nose. No one can argue he doesn’t. Still, the kids who constantly point and laugh at him, chanting how he picks his nose, making fun of him, well…that’s pretty mean-spirited and I’d say doesn’t reflect well on those kids either.

            Know what I mean?

          • don mario

            doesn’t change the fact that it is not an exaggeration of chinese characteristics.

          • Kai

            I think it is fair to acknowledge that many mainlanders have less qualms about where they piss and shit. If you want to understand where @disqus_5FVPwsyPdO:disqus is coming from, you should acknowledge what I said.

            Just because whuddyasack can pull out statistics that show blacks being involved in more rapes than other races and thus it can be argued as a “fact” and “not an exaggeration of black characteristics” doesn’t mean he’s above criticism.

            Be reasonable.

          • don mario

            be reasonable about pissing and shitting in the street?

            chinese people piss and shit in the street, its not an exaggeration. it is totally fair for people to criticise this…..because it is a completely disgusting thing.

          • Kai

            No, be reasonable about acknowledging how it is often mean-spirited when people bring up mainlanders pissing and shitting in the street, and it is understandable for people to pick up on that mean-spiritedness and be annoyed by it.

            It’s fair to criticize something you disagree with. It’s also fair to recognize it can go beyond simple criticism and crosses over into mean-spirited ridicule. A lot of Chinese people think it is disgusting that Indians wipe their ass with their bare hands. When a Chinese person seizes on this to ridicule Indian people, he’s being mean-spirited, and I would totally understand an Indian person being annoyed with that Chinese guy.

            Does my putting a Chinese person in the role of the behavior I’m referring to help you better understand the point I’m making?

          • don mario

            it is fair to be mean spirited to disgusting things like that. because they are disgusting, gross, and unhygienic for others. if you don;t like it then that is your opinion. please don’t force your own china bias upon others kai.

          • Kai

            I wouldn’t say it is fair. I would say it is understandable. It’s human. It also reflects on your character. That’s what I’m saying. That’s my opinion. It isn’t a “China bias” and your eagerness to accuse that and reassure yourself is disappointing.

          • don mario

            and that is your opinion. keep it to yourself and don’t force it on me, i think you take your mod privileges too far.

            if you like to living in china and preaching forgiveness to those rank people who pee, poop and spit around you then good for you, maybe it makes you feel like a good human being. for me and most sane people in the world we find it disgusting and quite unacceptable. i can see your point of view…. you should try to see others.

          • Kai

            I’m “forcing” my opinion on you as much as you are forcing your opinion on me. In other words, we’re both commenting on a public forum engaged in a public discussion. I don’t need mod “privileges” to do this and I’m not sure why you think I do.

            I’m not preaching forgiveness for “rank” people who pee, poop, and spit around me. I’m saying people can go beyond fair criticism and into unfair prejudiced ridicule, and that can be as unpleasant as the pissing, pooping, and spitting around me.

            I’m not sure why you think I can’t see your view, especially when I’ve explicitly said: “I think it is fair to acknowledge that many mainlanders have less qualms about where they piss and shit.” Just because I have a point of view to share doesn’t mean I can’t or don’t see your point of view.

          • don mario

            you are forcing your opinion on me because you are TELLING me to be reasonable. using your mod dictator privileges to try to tell others to how to act..simply because they disagree with your opinion. an opinion which seems to the be the minority on here anyway.

          • Kai

            Dude, you’re confusing me exhorting, admonishing, even begging you to “be reasonable” as me “forcing you” to be so.

            I can’t literally FORCE you to be or do anything. I’m not holding a gun to your head threatening your life. I’m not even threatening to abuse my powers and ban you. I’m just talking to you like everyone talks to each other here. I’m trying to argue my opinion just as others do.

            If President Obama said to you “be reasonable, the Kobe is way better than Shaq”, is he “forcing his opinion” on you using his Presidential “privileges”? Come on, that’s ridiculous.

            Moreover, an opinion is not necessarily invalid or illegitimate just because it is not popular. Believing blacks to be humans equal to whites was an unpopular opinion at one point in time.

            PS: My god, are you actually upvoting yourself?

          • don mario

            kai, please be mature about it and stick to the subject at hand instead of trying to win the argument through low level insults. yes i am upvoting myself, there is no shame in that. i am honest about it. unlike others here who log out to guest vote up themselves…. (i wont mention any names to save the mystery persons embarrassment but we both know who it is.)

            you cannot force me, nobody can in this world. but you did try to. maybe next time you will think twice about trying that against certain posters who will not so easily be messed with. this is china smack. its not china, guanxi does not work on here.

          • Kai

            What low level insults am I making? How am I not being mature?

            I agree there are people who dishonestly upvote themselves and pad their own upvotes through a variety of tricks. I just think upvoting yourself is like patting yourself on the back. I’d be ashamed of it, but if you aren’t, that’s fine. Difference of opinion. I’m just expressing my surprise, partly because you do something I consider shameless and partly because I remember Disqus not allowing people to upvote their own comments. I guess their policies has changed。

            I don’t think it is fair to say I tried to “force” you. It’s more accurate to say I tried to reason with you or persuade you, wouldn’t you agree?

            Not really sure I understand the “maybe you’ll think twice next time” remarks. You think I’m going to think twice about trying to reason with people I disagree with just because they might get angry and accuse me of abusing my moderator powers?

            And what? How is guanxi relevant to this at all?

          • linette lee

            Isn’t it mean spirited that all those China bloggers always criticize the HK people calling them dogs whenever something like this happens? Who is at fault here in this incident or any other similar incidents where China folks breaking HK laws? Instead of criticizing their own countrymen for knowingly breaking HK laws they criticize HK folks for complaining. How ridiculous is that? Where is their sense of right and wrong?

          • Kai

            That is absolutely mean-spirited. It meets my definition (goes beyond simple criticism and crosses over into mean-spirited ridicule), right?

            What HK laws have these parents broken?

            When mainlanders break HK laws, they deserve criticism for breaking HK laws. When HKers respond to mainlanders breaking HK laws by crossing over into bigotry, they deserve criticism for their bigotry. When mainlanders respond to this bigotry with their own bigotry, they deserve criticism for their bigotry. I am being fair here, right?

            Criticizing HK complaints doesn’t mean they aren’t criticizing their countrymen’s law breaking (if law breaking is involved). Criticizing the death penalty doesn’t mean I don’t also criticize a criminal for his crimes. You shouldn’t assume people are only doing one and not the other. This has be determined on a case by case basis. I’m sure there are mainlanders who criticize HK complaints and downplay whatever the mainlander involved did, but you shouldn’t rush to assume that’s what all mainlanders are doing OR that their criticisms of HK complaints aren’t also valid and justified.

          • linette lee

            The China folks broke the HK Law. Can you read?
            Is that why China folks keep fighting with us because they refuse to recognize HK laws? Signs everywhere saying violator will be fined. For urination, defecation, littering, no eating in no eating zone, no smoking in no smoking zone…..

            http://lonelygirltravels.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/hong-kong-etc-005.jpg

          • Kai

            -_-

            Yes, public urination is prohibited in HK, especially certain urban public areas, especially where people have regularly done it before (such as LKF).

            I was too careless with my words. Allow me to backpeddle and reword:

            Do we really think tourists who tried to wait in line for a restroom but ultimately resorted to letting their child use a diaper because the child could no longer hold it in wanted to violate this prohibition? Were they intent on breaking the law? Were they dismissive of the prohibition?

            Or were they doing the best they could in a difficult situation? If the kid pissed or shat his pants, would we say they are also breaking the law because that’s technically urinating in public too?

            I don’t think the parents wanted to break the law, they were just left with little choice. Nature called and they couldn’t put it on hold any longer.

          • Germandude

            But you are bitching and moaning all the time. Running the same tape over here for months, always pushing the rewind and play buttons.. Just not the single time I pointed it out.

            It got boring long time ago.

          • whuddyasack

            And that’s the thing. Sites like this contain nothing but bitching and moaning with the same stereotypes ad nauseam from predominantly White people with few exceptions. While you’re whining about just me, there are dozens more from the other side who’ve done the same thing or even worse yet no complaints, even approval when it’s essentially the same thing. Sure if you feel bored, just switch off. Just like what all the single Chinese who’ve been jumped on have learned to do and stop complaining.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you ever read “the boy who cried wolf”?

          • whuddyasack

            I have. It sounds just like the boy who cried “wacist”.

          • IsurvivedChina

            whilst tempting as your juvenile tact was just now i won’t take the bait but suffice to say – people come here to escape reality not be lectured on it, and that is why no-one takes you seriously anymore … your the boy who cried wolf!

          • whuddyasack

            I used to have a similar discussion with Kai, and interestingly enough, he used the same fable. Boy who cried wolf. However, I’ll tell you the same thing I told him. If I ever counted whoever took me seriously based on the number of White China-bashing folks who agreed with me, then I’d never achieve anything. I’m actually doing this after seeing how every Chinese that dared to think differently or speak up for themselves get hounded by 10-15 mouth foamers. You probably weren’t even here during that time, but I’ve heard that there used to be letters written to the admin team regarding how unpleasant this site was to ethnic Chinese members on this board and it ended up being a big fight. Actually shanghaiist commentators generally have low IQs but this place used to be a true hate house before a major clean-up thanks to the mods. To be honest, that’s why I’ve softened my approach somewhat until whoever it was decided to start that “Who da wacist game again”.

            Besides, Boy who cried wolf sounds more like you with your empty accusations. No, actually change that to Boy who cried wacist.

          • Germandude

            Nope. I agree with you that there is a bunch of guys here that are continuing to bring up the same bullshit over and over again. That’s boring too. And most of the time, they get called out on that as well. I do the same with my “grading” of posts once in a while where I pick out the most retarded ones. Should you’ve noticed.

            However, long time ago, you had some interesting points in discussions. Nowadays, and I mean the last months with that, you are as predictable as a rewinded tape playing the same propaganda. And you are not shy of displaying racism, ignorance and argumentation constructs that would make any grade 2 students turn red out of shame. Best example is your “white men are all rapists, prove for it? Look at Swedish reported rape rates and compare those with Chinese ones”. Without knowing anything about the data. Well, sorry, not understanding the data. What constitutes as rape in Sweden, is not regarded as rape in China, not even in some other European countries. Not to mention cultural constructs that make it more likely that in a society like Sweden, where female rights are top notch on par with male rights, chances are higher that a rape gets reported than in a society where females are regarded less than men (muslim countries are prime example, China fits as well just not as such an extreme). Drifting off topic, but I wanted to bring this example as it stuck in mind.
            Anyways, drifting off topic and should you be willing to discuss properly, learn how to read and understands proof, construct logical conclusions and last but not least, watch your tone and don’t fall back on your pity role.
            Peace!

          • whuddyasack

            I know. That’s why I’ve never accused you of being biased but after a while it did get annoying with what appeared to be open support for often crude and unnecessary nonsense and the constant bitching and moaning of some.

            I never said that White men are all rapists. I said that compared to Chinese/East Asians, White people rape more. This is evident in not only official statistics carried out in their native countries but also Asians living in Western countries. It’s not just one or two countries, but there is a trend. Perhaps Sweden has excellent women’s rights compared to Asia, but does Russia, Ukraine, Syria, Latvia, Chechnya, Jordan have the same women’s rights? Do Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, China, Vietnam all have the same appalling women’s rights? That’s why I added the Asian diaspora because at least US Asians and US Whites would have a more equal footing when it comes to rape rates and reports since culturally they are similar and the justice system is the same. In fact, being minorities, it could be even worse for the Asian Americans, Canadians, etc. Even the latest UN study whereby 50% of Asian men admitted to rape was not particularly fair because the questions asked were not consistent amongst countries.
            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/18/asia-rape-one-in-four-men Overall, I think we can all agree that rape is under reported regardless.

            I think what’s worse is how often and how eager people to jump to the conclusion that Chinese/Asians are wife beaters, unfaithful, rapists, etc. moreso than other people without any proof. The culture of having mistresses was not a peasant tradition but belonged to the Chinese aristocracy and upper classes. Those women who marry powerful and wealthy Chinese are never going to “marry down” to some random laowai down the street anyway so it’s just peasant bashing on their part.

            And the difference is with the rape statistics, there is evidence to back it up. With the lewd generalizations, there is nothing to back it up except popular sentiment from you know who.

            Also, I don’t remember the last time you did point me out correctly but I’ll let that slide.

            Thanks for the advice and I’ll try to change my tone a little. If anything, this site isn’t that bad anymore and I don’t really have that many reasons to speak in an overtly racist way which was what I was doing until the recent storm. The truth is I’m getting a little tired of the guessing whodunnit, whodawacist game and swinging back and forth aimlessly.

            Either ways, peace and no hard feelings.

          • noodles76

            So…..yesterday you were racist but tomorrow you’ll try not to be? Interesting. Yeah….OK.

          • whuddyasack

            Just a little bored with the racist witch hunt game. I don’t think you can change how you feel, not that I am racist, but you can at least change your tone.

          • diverdude7

            I just wonder if u live in Mainland…. I do. Place can be pretty darn lawless….. I’ve seen some incredible abuse of females / neighbors…. nothing happens. No one steps in ; no one phones ‘ police’. I have felt sooooooo scared for females here before. male comes home super drunk and abuses her because his life sux the obamaballs. also seen many ML’s verbally abuse children. yeah, I’m sure it happens all over the world, but I can tell u it happens in ML for sure.

          • Dr Sun

            can you explain why you were in so many married females houses that you were able to witness this widespread abuse personally ?

            btw not saying abuse does not happen in china, it does, just like it does in every country in the world.

          • diverdude7

            :- p I was not in the apartments and never said they were married,,,I was just neighbor of. Same block or whatever u call it. But it just was the most extreme example (that I’ve witnessed) but I’ve also seen females/ children being emotionally verbally abused in public.
            btw… I am a wasp, from a very waspish background and it just kinda shocked me that this ‘action’ happens w/out police showing up. I really felt scared for the lady. Like u read guys do escalate it to physical abuse even to killing… Sad situation.
            My typing/ thinking sux… Been working a string of 12 hr days. nearly 10pm here now.

          • Dr Sun

            guess you live in the projects NYC ?

          • diverdude7

            No. By using ‘ML’ I was referring to Mainland China.

          • nickhz

            can hear it through the walls at my home all the time… i have seen it right in the elevator of my building. in bars. clubs. restaurants. so much abuse. saw a woman hit her kids bare legs with a stick outside the subway because he dropped his drink on the ground and she had just paid for it.

          • Dr Sun

            sorry for you, you must be living in a tough neighbourhood

          • whuddyasack

            No one’s saying that these things don’t happen in China. I visit the mainland frequently. I see enough of the horrible domestic abuses, femicides, and rapes in the Western nations I’ve lived in. I hear plenty about it in the US, and statistics alone prove that on a per capita basis, the Occident is much worse than all East Asian countries. What’s more is that Asians living in the West are much less likely to commit rape or assault than a White or Black male. Asian and Native American females represent the only two groups of females that have more to fear from an “outside group”. Guess which race is the biggest perpetrator of violence against them? What’s even more pathetic is the many tribal cavemen amongst them staunchly supporting the abusers just because they are of the same race.

            In all my years growing up in the West, I’ve only seen White men verbally and physically abuse their wives and girlfriends in public and never Asian men. On a frequent basis too. My definition of being a man is this. Anyone that raises his hand against a woman is a coward and has no right to call himself a man.

          • Kai

            @whuddyasack:disqus believes he’s fighting back against people who run the same tape over and over on here. How you feel about him is how he feels about the “white people” he thinks are guilty of the same fundamental behavior of being a broken record. Wuddyasack’s record has a different song, but broken records are broken records.

            I hope you can recognize that point. It’s hard to justify complaining about him for a behavior others are also guilty of except with different targets. Are you really criticizing him “for being repetitive” or is it really “for having a position that is merely different from yours or those you agree with”?

            I think it’s wiser to criticize him for his positions and not for how repetitive he is. If you criticize him for the later, you’d be guilty of having double-standards.

          • don mario

            hey you should photograph them.. some laowais got in trouble pissing publicly in china not so long ago because somebody recorded it. and as they should have.

            it is disgusting who ever does it and should be called out as such. i’ve seen a lot of it in england too, much grim.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            The worse time to work is night shift as a security guard near pubs and bars. But at least most find a corner or alleyway or at least someplace out of the way to go.

          • linette lee

            Those drunk men do get arrested by HK police if discovered.

          • Kai

            No, most of the time, they’re merely shooed away if they aren’t ignored. If the drunk guy is causing a more serious disturbance and being unruly, then they might get ticketed or arrested (if unruly). Most of the drunk foreigners pissing on the street at LKF aren’t causing disturbances or being unruly. They just really need to go and couldn’t find or be bothered to find an actual restroom so they figure a corner or planter will do.

            Pissing on the street isn’t uncommon after a night out around the world. The qualitative difference between LKF drunks pissing on the street and this kid is that the LKF drunks are doing it late at night when there aren’t so many people around, while this was in broad daylight on a reasonably trafficked street. If the parents found a quiet corner and did it discreetly, they would have attracted less attention.

          • Jahar

            this happens outside of bars everywhere.

          • Dick Leigh

            So you’re saying that a drunk foreigner can be expected to have the same level of judgement as a Mainland tourist?

          • http://www.richardfordphotography.com/ Richard Ford

            My dog holds it in. He flew all the way from BJ to Seoul and then Sydney and didn’t piddle once inside his crate. When he arrived and the quarantine people found a clean crate they took him right to a tree and he apparently let it rip like a race horse.

            Dogs can be trained. So can kids and their parents. Here it seems the parents failed. So did the HK arseholes too BTW.

          • don mario

            mainlanders cannot really get away using the ‘ hes a kid he has to go’ excuse…. because the adults are doing it to! public pee and poop. its a free for all in china!

          • Kai

            Not to nearly the same extent as kids, which demonstrates that while mainlanders are lax about allowing kids to piss and shit wherever, they generally think adults should grow out of it. That you see way more kids shitting and pissing on sidewalks or the side of the road than you do indoors (like supermarket aisles) also demonstrates they have notions of where they consider it acceptable and where it isn’t acceptable.

            So–and this is going to annoy you–not quite “free for all”. That’s a gross exaggeration. It’s not an exaggeration to say there are a lot of kids and adults who engage in public pissing and shitting, but that it’s a “free for all” is.

            Since it has to be said now: You’re sharing your opinions. I’m sharing mine. I’m not trying to force my opinion on you. I’m not threatening you with any moderation powers.

          • Foreign Devil

            If you get proper rabies shot and papers you don’t need to quarantine your dog on arrival. I’ve got a chinese born poodle sleeping on my lap in Canada as I write this.

          • Kai

            Yeah, kids can be trained and I think that’s what they’re doing. The kid is two years old. That they still have diapers with them suggests the kid hasn’t been fully trained yet. Oopsies are gonna happen, they haven’t fully subjugated their bladder and sphincter muscles to their will yet. If your dog was at the same stage of training as this kid, it very likely could’ve pissed in his crate.

            I think it might be a bit too harsh to say the parents failed because the kid couldn’t hold it in any longer after they found a restroom and had waited in line. At best we could argue the parents “failed” in that they didn’t handle things more discreetly. But that may be unfair too.

            Maybe they had tried waiting in line until the very last moment, and the kid is saying “mommy, i GOTTA GOOOOO” and so she leads him out, and the kid is like “MOMMY, ITS COMING!” and it was all she could do to pull off his pants, grab a diaper from the stroller and get it under his butt in time to prevent anything from hitting the ground. Maybe what she managed to do is impressive for how little time and options she had?

          • nickhz

            you said it yourself “Yeah, kids can be trained and I think that’s what they’re doing. The kid is two years old. That they still have diapers with them suggests the kid hasn’t been fully trained yet. Oopsies are gonna happen, they haven’t fully subjugated their bladder and sphincter muscles to their will yet. ” so if the child isnt trained yet and you are in a public place like that, the parent uses caution and planning for this mistake… put the diaper on first. if it gets used then it gets used… if not then its still not a problem. the parents are definitely to blame… just my opinion

          • Kai

            My point in response to Richard was that its unfair to compare a trained dog with what may have been a kid still undergoing training. You’d agree, right? That’s like saying Shaq can dunk but why can’t a kid at basketball camp?

            The rest of your opinion makes sense to me if we could be certain it is applicable to this situation (see my other comment and what I now know of the details of this incident). My kid would be in those pull-up diapers, the kind where they can pull them down to use the restroom but also soil if they somehow forget, before graduating to normal underwear. :)

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            So you hold Humans to the same standard of Animals and Chinese people to the level of drunk laowais?

            Ok.

      • Kai

        I think you might be overestimating toddlers.

        It also sounds like you’re assuming the parents didn’t spend time looking for a restroom when apparently they did, found it had a line, couldn’t wait any longer, and finally resorted to whipping out a diaper for the kid to relieve herself (himself?) in because she (he?) apparently was able to communicate being unable to hold it any longer.

        The father asked the HKers if they have kids because he believes people who have kids will know from personal experience that kids aren’t as capable as adults when it comes to holding in their piss and shit. He’s asking for empathy, for understanding. He’s asking them to be forgiving, which he expects them to if they have kids themselves. He’s not suggesting HK kids urinate on the streets as much as mainland kids.

        • Ryo Saeba

          I think you missed my post. Here it is again: “If the kid can’t communicate that to the parents, then s/he should wear a diaper.”

          Simply put, if the kid had been wearing a diaper, as it is what diapers are intended for, this would of never happened.

          Your other point about the father asking if that particular guy had kids, which I have already addressed in my original post, was again “There are millions of kids in Hong Kong. Why don’t I see them urinating on the streets?” (in a diaper in this case)

          He was not asking for forgiveness. Asking for forgiveness would include words like “不好意思,对不起。” He was arguing with them because he thinks it’s not a big deal and parents are somehow entitled to that ‘right’ automatically.

          Do you know why the kid wasn’t wearing a diaper? It is because Chinese people are cheap! If the kid had went in a bathroom, that is one diaper saved! Granted, I give them credit for using a diaper to hold the piss but this would of never happened if the kid simply wore a diaper. He go pee pee in it, tells mommy, then find a bathroom to change it.

          • Kai

            The kid obviously could communicate to the parents he had to go. How else did they know to find a restroom and eventually abandon waiting in line for it, resorting to a diaper?

            I’m saying a toddler may not immediately tell you he’s developing an urge to relieve himself, ESPECIALLY when they’re in the process of potty training. He may tell you too late. He may tell you in time but still have difficulty holding it in long enough for you to get him to a toilet. This is why I said you might be overestimating toddlers.

            Simply put, if the kid had been wearing a diaper, as it is what diapers are intended for, this would of never happened.

            I believe the parents are potty-training the kid.

            “There are millions of kids in Hong Kong. Why don’t I see them urinating on the streets?” (in a diaper in this case)

            You do know that HK toddlers undergoing potty-training regularly piss and shit their pants throughout HK, right? Sometimes their parents get them to a restroom in time, sometimes they don’t. This is a common worldwide phenomenon. Here we have tourists who aren’t familiar with where all the public restrooms are in HK (Wanchai apparently), who actually did find one, but because there was a line and the kid couldn’t hold it, they resorted to using a diaper.

            Could they have done better than simply holding the diaper under the kid? Sure, I acknowledge and share my thoughts on that here. But I don’t think what transpired is as difficult to understand as you seem to be saying.

            He was not asking for forgiveness. Asking for forgiveness would include words like “不好意思,对不起。” He was arguing with them because he thinks it’s not a big deal and parents are somehow entitled to that ‘right’ automatically.

            He’s asking for forgiveness in the sense of compassion. Did you read the various articles and translated comments? Your interpretation is not just uncharitable, it’s a misinterpretation. He IS arguing with them but that doesn’t mean he’s not asking them to be understanding.

            He DOES think what they did is not a big deal. In his mind, its just a little kid and they made sure not to leave the kids piss and shit on the ground polluting Hong Kong. He may have overlooked how unpleasant or offensive it may be for others to witness a toddler pissing and shitting even into a diaper, but this doesn’t mean he thinks “parents are entitled to that ‘right’. What “right” are you referring to anyway? From what words did you infer he thinks he has a right? His words at most imply he thinks grown adults can be forgiving of toddlers who need to go potty and can’t hold it in until a toilet is found, especially adults who have experience raising kids.

            Do you know why the kid wasn’t wearing a diaper? It is because Chinese people are cheap! If the kid had went in a bathroom, that is one diaper saved!

            Now you’re just letting your prejudices show. There are many Chinese people who are cheap, who think one diaper saved is that much more money saved. However, I think its because they’re potty-training the kid. I’m pretty sure you went through the same process. I know I did.

          • linette lee

            What do you think of thousands of China tourists pee and shit publicly in London and NYC making it a very common daily thing. What is your opinion on this?

          • Kai

            I dislike it? I even find it embarrassing. Is this supposed to change anything I’m saying?

          • linette lee

            So if the non Asians in London and NYC complain and do exactly the same thing HKers are doing, what do you think about them? Will you criticize them the same way you criticize Hkers?

          • Kai

            Uh, don’t I regularly criticize non-HKers for what I consider unfair criticisms of mainlanders? Isn’t that why a lot of commenters dislike me on cS and not just HK people?

          • linette lee

            hahah….I never said I hate you. I like you.

          • Kai

            Uh, I never said you hate me either?

          • Ryo Saeba

            You are assuming WAY too much here. You potty train kids at home, not while on vacation/shopping spree in, of all places, Hong Kong.

            No, I do not see kids piss and shit in their pants all the time while in Hong Kong. Come to think of it, I haven’t even seen it once! I go to HK quite often.. once to twice a month for my own shopping spree.

            I’m not being ‘prejudices.’ I’m stereotyping. And stereotypes are there for a reason. Not sure what I did to step on your tail but I don’t hate Chinese people. I’m married to one for crying out loud. But there are things that Chinese annoys the shit outta me. Heck, this whole site is dedicated to talking smack about Chinese people. As with every nationality, there will always be something to “smack” about. And one is Chinese people being cheap. Honestly, if they were poor, I’d understand. But obviously they are not. And since, IMHO, they are not potty training, they are just being cheap.

          • Kai

            Whaaaa? Sooner or later in the process of potty-training, you stop wearing diapers outside the home as well. There is absolutely no reason why “vacation/shopping” is an automatic diaper time, much less “Hong Kong”.

            I didn’t ask if you “see” kids piss and shit their pants all the time in HK, I asked if you “know” that they do because I can’t imagine normal people not knowing that potty training toddlers often have accidents and end up soiling themselves. I hope you’re not saying that because you haven’t seen it in HK, it doesn’t happen in HK?

            If I’ve never seen a rape occur in HK, should I claim rapes don’t happen in HK?

            The act of “stereotyping” often reveals one’s “prejudices”. Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason. Prejudices do too. Doesn’t change them from being what they are. I didn’t say you hate Chinese people, did I? I said you’re letting your prejudices show. That doesn’t equate to hating Chinese people, it equates to prejudices being visible to others.

            There are things Chinese people do that annoy the shit out of me too, but that’s irrelevant to my point here.

            No, for the umpteenth time, this site is not “dedicated to talking smack about Chinese people”. While we understand why people might think this, we’ve explained this so many times we’ve had a FAQ entry for it for like years now: http://www.chinasmack.com/faq#faq-01

            I understand that if you don’t think they are potty training, then they must be cheap, but the question is, what compels you to think they aren’t potty training and compels you to think they are being cheap OTHER than preconceived notions (prejudices)?

            All we know is they didn’t have a diaper on the kid. I reason they are potty training because circumstantially, its a common age for kids to undergo potty training. Furthermore, they do have diapers but not on the kid, so its clear they don’t have the kid fully independent from relying on diapers, which also suggest being in the process of potty training. They had looked for a restroom so the kid must’ve communicated the need to go. If the kid wasn’t being potty-trained, the kid would’ve just shat his pants without warning.

            What details in the story we have indicate the parents are being cheap? That they waited in line for a restroom? That they wanted to use the restroom? That they didn’t have a diaper on the kid already?

            But all of these things can be accounted for with potty-training. Does Occam’s Razor support concluding the parents are just cheap? I don’t think it does.

          • Ryo Saeba

            Actually, come to think about it, I am absolutely correct that they are cheap based on the fact that they waited in line at the bathroom.

            All they had to do was put the diaper on the kid, let ’em do their business, then go clean it in the bathroom later. You can make all the excuses you want about them potty training but there was zero indication of this, other then what you are imagining. I’m sure in a place like Hong Kong where attitudes towards mainland people are already on the edge, they can make one exception and take a break on potty-train.

            Oh and while I’m at it, other then being cheap, they were probably being “convenient” as well. It’s much easier/cheaper/faster to piss in a bowl then to do it in a worn diaper then have to clean it later.

            And about the rape thing, now I know I have step on your tail. You don’t have to see the actual rape because there is this thing call The News. As much I’m in Hong Kong, I have not heard any reports of Hong Kong kids
            doing this. Nor have I seen it. So your points about that is moot.

            Not sure if you know this but I live in China. Been here 7 years already. Seeing kids pissing on the street is almost a daily occurrence. So does this mean Chinese parents “potty-train” kids to piss on the streets? As much as you’d like to believe, the chances of them potty-training that kid is like winning the lotto.

            Edit: Oh and If I’m being “prejudice” about this, look at the posts below. Apparently, Dr Sun, noodles76, Rick in China, linette lee, and many others agree that they were just trying to save a buck. Oh and look a few more posts below. They weren’t even using diapers, they were using napkins!

          • Kai

            You honestly think them waiting in line at the bathroom is because they wanted to save a single diaper and not because they thought maybe they could get the kid into the bathroom in time and use the potty as he will be increasingly expected to do as he grows up?

            If so, I’m incredulous.

            When potty training, falling back on the diaper is a measure of last resort. The goal is to train the kid to hold until he can release in a socially appropriate environment, aka the restroom. If we don’t go through this training, we might as well all be wearing diapers all the time.

            I’m not sure what else can be said. Let’s leave it at me thinking my read is more plausible than yours.

            There’s no news about about people breathing air in Hong Kong either but you somehow know people breathe air in Hong Kong. Your distinction is invalid. There’s no news about Kazahstanis wiping their ass after shitting but I know they wipe their ass. Do you really need personal testimony to concede that little kids may have potty accidents in HK?

            I’d say the chances of the parents potty training the kid are pretty good given that the vast majority of Chinese people grow up potty-trained. The vast majority are able to hold their shit and piss and don’t wear diapers. The problem they may have is in what they consider acceptable locations and situations in which to piss and shit in public. That’s a difference of norms, not a difference of whether or not they potty-train their kids. Most parents I know begin potty training their kids once they’re toddlers, after they’re able to walk.

          • Ryo Saeba

            Yes, then you should be “incredulous.” Read the posts just below. I’m not the only one.

            In this instance, I would say a last resort should of been used. Apperently, they used tissues instead of a real diaper to hold the piss. More evidence that they were being cheap.

            Breathing air and wiping ass? You do realize you’re going on a tantrum now, right?

            I can tell you don’t live in China. Lots of adults aren’t potty-trained as well. Many times, I can smell piss in the parking lot entrance to my building. This is not in some shitty area as well. It is pretty much in the heart of GZ. Nice buildings with 3-4k rent a month for a 80-90 sq/m apartment.

            It’s really naive to think every kid here gets A+ potty-training that you think they do. There are also half ass potty-training too. And this is what most kids and adults here gets.

            Did you know that most people don’t wash their hands after they use the bathroom here? And how about aiming correctly? There are always pools of piss right under the urinals. Often times, there are just piles of shit in the toilets. Guess they don’t know how to flush. Guess they forgot that during their potty-training.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I’m working my way down, popping back up when Disqus says there’s a new comment. I’m pretty incredulous. I can’t shake the feeling people are interpreting with their prejudices instead of going by the information available and critical thinking skills. I understand of course that some people, like you, definitely think you are. This is the nature of disagreement.

            The accusation of tissues comes from the one image of the mom wiping the boy’s ass, right? But think, just because she’s using tissues to wipe his ass doesn’t mean she didn’t use a diaper or similar.

            You can tell I don’t live in China? What can I do to prove to you that I live in China? And have lived here longer than you? Should I scan my passport for you or something?

            I’ve just realized that “potty” is also a term for “toilet” and thus “potty training” takes on the meaning of only pissing and shitting in a toilet. I’m wondering if our inability to reach consensus on a few things is because of this.

            When I say “potty-trained”, I’m talking about you having some control over when you piss and shit. When I say “potty-training”, I’m talking about the process of training kids to hold in their piss and shit as opposed to just letting it out.

            Therefore, to me, people choosing to piss in parking lots doesn’t mean they aren’t “potty-trained” (doesn’t mean they don’t know how to hold it in or use a toilet), it just means they choose to or are okay with pissing in places you wouldn’t and aren’t okay with.

            I never said kids in China get “A+ potty training”. I said the vast majority of people are potty-trained, as evidence by the fact that they have some control over when they piss and shit and they don’t need to wear diapers. Am I wrong in saying the vast majority of Chinese people grow up knowing how to control their bladder and bowels and thus don’t depend on diapers?

          • Kai

            Hey Ryo, I wrote a long mea culpa that I want to point you to. This is because I think we went back and forth the most and I feel you deserve to know where I have been wrong.

            Some of my disagreements with you still stand and I trust you can see which of my arguments are no longer valid because they don’t reflect the facts as I now understand them to be. For example, I still don’t agree with you thinking the parents were just being cheap and I still find it odd that you don’t accept as obvious that little kids have poop and pee accidents in HK.

            Anyway, you’ll figure it out. Peace.

          • Ryo Saeba

            Don’t worry about it. It’s your opinion vs mine. Obviously, you’re giving the couple a great benefit of the doubt, but living in China for so many years, and personally knowing many Chinese people, I am convinced these guys were just trying to save a buck, as well as many others on here who also resides in China themselves.

            It doesn’t matter if they were or weren’t training the kid, one should always be prepare to “assume the worse” and have diapers at the ready. What they had wasn’t an “accident.” The kid needed to use the restroom and notified her parents. An accident would mean she already did her business and needed cleaning. They had time to tell the kid to piss on this tissue. Surely they could of use that time to put a diaper on instead. It only takes a few seconds.

            I see you are trying hard to defend these people. But the chances of them being what you make them to be are slim to none. Of course, we will probably never know the truth (if they were being cheap) so let’s just leave it at that. Everything else is just guesses, assumptions, and opinions. Cheers.

          • Kai

            If you read my new understanding of what happened, I no longer think this was even potty-training. The involvement of a diaper was key for why others and I initially had reasonable cause to think they were potty-training (specifically, weaning the kid off diapers).

            If they were potty-training, then its easier to understand why the parents may have thought they had to resort to taking care of it on the street instead of continuing to look for an open restroom. We expect kids who are undergoing potty-training to be developing their ability to hold it in, but we also know they aren’t masters of it yet so they may not be able to hold for as long. For parents who HAD tried a restroom, them resorting to the street suggests they felt the kid couldn’t hold it any longer and didn’t want him to shit his pants. It also explains why they had a diaper at all.

            But like I said, there was no diaper. Just tissues.

            So that throws the potty-training assumption out the window. The one thing (diaper) that made it completely plausible is no longer a fact in the story.

            What they had wasn’t an “accident.” The kid needed to use the restroom and notified her parents. An accident would mean she already did her business and needed cleaning. They had time to tell the kid to piss on this tissue. Surely they could of use that time to put a diaper on instead. It only takes a few seconds.

            It sounds like you assume a diaper was still involved and that the parents used tissues INSTEAD of a diaper they had on hand. That’s not the case as I understand it now. There was no diaper at all.

            All along we’ve both agreed that the boy (its a boy, not a girl as initially reported) was capable of notifying his parents that he needed to go. That’s why the parents had tried a restroom at first, right? So yeah, this wasn’t an “accident”.

            The thing is, to be fair to me, I never said this was an “accident”. I know an “accident” is when a kid wets or shits himself. The reason I brought up accidents at all was this:

            During the video, the father asks if the guy has kids. There are millions of kids in Hong Kong. Why don’t I see them urinating on the
            streets as much as I do in China?

            You do know that HK toddlers undergoing potty-training regularly piss and shit their pants throughout HK, right? Sometimes their parents get them to a restroom in time, sometimes they don’t. This is a common worldwide phenomenon.

            I interpreted you at the time as not understanding why the father was asking that question. I believed and still believe he was asking for understanding and empathy. He’s reasoning that parents would understand that when their little kid needs to go, the kid needs to go and there’s no assurance that the kid can continue holding it in. Therefore, he’s asking the HKers to forgive them for resorting to allowing the kid to shit out in the street because they couldn’t get to an open toilet.

            I may have misinterpreted you the first time. You could be interpreted as having thought the father was arguing that kids should be allowed to shit on the streets. Since HK has millions of kids and we don’t see them shitting on the streets with the same prevalence in mainland China, the father’s reasoning would therefore be faulty.

            If you’re following, this was a major disconnect between us. We had completely different interpretations of the father’s motivations for asking that question. You thought he was arguing that kids should be allowed to shit on the streets. I thought he was appealing for understanding and empathy regarding little children being less capable of holding in their shit.

            So far I still believe my interpretation of the father’s question is correct and that yours is too uncharitable. I suspect yours is premised on the belief that all mainlanders think children should be allowed to shit on the streets.

            In my experience, that’s not true. Frankly, most parents don’t think shitting on the streets is normal practice. Many think it is acceptable if deemed necessary and part of it is because a child is more innocent than an adult. Some think its completely normal. Those are the ones that stick in our memories and whom we have contempt for, to the point where we can’t begin to understand why they can’t see how unsanitary and inconsiderate it is to others. Still, they are the minority and frankly, are usually limited to older, more rural types where the practice is more common.

            The vast majority of mainlanders who can afford and thus do go to HK don’t have their kids shitting or pissing on the streets. A few have, but we have to admit that statistically most don’t, right? Given that, the odds of this father asking the question because he thinks kids should be allowed to piss and shit on the street is very low. If he was the type of mainlander who is totally nonchalant about having their kid piss and shit out in the open on the street, I don’t think they would have sought a restroom first; they would’ve just had the kid go as he pleased.

            So I still think this was them concluding the kid couldn’t hold it any longer to get to an open restroom, and when the HKers criticized them, he was asking them to be understanding of them as parents and the kid as a little kid who had to go or shit his pants. It’s like suffering racism and asking others if they’ve suffered racism, because if they have, they’d understand how you feel. It’s asking for empathy.

            The funny thing is that my initial mistaken interpretation of what you were saying there developed into me thinking you were saying HK kids are so different from mainland kids that they never have accidents. I then thought you were defending such a position by saying you’ve never seen HK kids have accidents. This baffled me. If I could get you to recognize that HK kids undergo potty-training and have accidents demonstrating that HK kids don’t always successfully hold it in either, that HK parents would know the same from experience, then it wouldn’t be remotely hard to understand why the mainland parents felt it was an emergency, that the kid had to go, that they had to resort to the street, and that the father was asking that question appealing for empathy.

            The whole HK kids shitting their pants thing was something we went back and forth on so I wanted to clear it all up. I hope you now understand what I was thinking at the time. I misunderstood you and probably confused you right back. It was a disconnect.

            I see you are trying hard to defend these people. But the chances of them being what you make them to be are slim to none. Of course, we will probably never know the truth (if they were being cheap) so let’s just leave it at that. Everything else is just guesses, assumptions, and opinions. Cheers.

            I’m not trying to defend these people, I’m trying to defend what I think to be most plausible. Part of that is to give them the benefit of the doubt. Where I do that most is in believing they had sought a restroom and decided the kid couldn’t make it to an open one, and that’s why they resorted to doing what they did. I’m not defending them by ignoring the fact that many mainlanders let their kids shit on the streets. I just know that they are the very memorable minority.

            So, the lower statistical probability of these parents being the type of mainland parents who are nonchalant about letting kids shit on the street COMBINED with the parents having sought a restroom and THEN cleaning up the mess leads me to believe they aren’t mainland parents who think its completely okay for kids to shit on the street outside of emergencies.

            I think it was an emergency and while it can be argued that they could’ve handled things better from start to finish, I don’t think what they did was that outrageous or unreasonable, and significantly better than those mainlanders who have let their kids piss and shit on the streets or in the subway or whatever with little to no shame or reservation. It wouldn’t be fair to lump these parents with that worse group.

            There is also no detail in the story that leads me to think they were being cheap at all. Maybe if they had a diaper and opted not to use it, but there was no diaper at all. Maybe if they left the shit on the ground despite having tissues on hand to pick it up and throw it away but the mom says she doesn’t want to waste her tissues or something. But that wasn’t the case either.

            I think it is more plausible that the parents deemed it an emergency and then cleaned up after themselves considerately. Problem is, some HKers saw the kid shitting and were understandably (and I think rightfully) upset about it. The HKer that took photos of the kid shitting probably shoudn’t have. There’s no way for him to escape an accusation of pettiness, of being motivated to document something shameful in order to shame mainlanders.

            Don’t get me wrong, his motivations can be understood. Most HK resentment of mainlanders can be understood and empathized with, but that doesn’t make everything they do as a result of that resentment reasonable. The photo-taking wasn’t cool but being caught doing it by the parents and then refusing to hand over/delete the photos when asked by the kid’s parents is hard to sympathize with. It’s one thing if he wasn’t caught taking the photos, but to have the parent confront you and refuse knowing that there’s something inherently wrong with exploiting a little kid in a compromising situation like that, well, that’s not something I’d agree with.

            In the video I linked to in my mea culpa, I think the guy even says the parents could’ve just kindly asked him to delete it. I think by the time he was interviewed, he had already realized that yeah, he probably should’ve have taken the photo and been so obstinate about keeping it. If the parents didn’t even vocally ask and immediately tried to grab his camera making him defensive, that’s a mistake of the parents, for getting physical without first trying words. I’m not so sure that’s the case though. It’s also not hard to empathize with the parents. Like, what the hell, you’re photographing my toddler in this compromising situation? Who the hell do you think you are? What are trying to do? I can understand the parents being upset with the photographer, but I don’t think they were silently lunging at the guy’s camera giving the photographer the excuse that he had no idea why.

            If you’ve read everything I’ve written, thank you for taking the time to try to understand what I’m thinking and why I disagree with you on certain things. You’re absolutely right that we don’t know everything about what happened and that we are necessarily filling in blanks by what we think plausible, and then arguing over what we think is “more” plausible. Cheers.

          • Ryo Saeba

            When I click on the link, Firefox gave me a warning about the connection being untrusted. Just a FYI.

          • nickhz

            “When potty training, falling back on the diaper is a measure of last resort. The goal is to train the kid to hold until he can release in a socially appropriate environment, aka the restroom. If we don’t go through this training, we might as well all be wearing diapers all the time”.——————– so this is training the child that if there are no available bathrooms it is ok to go in the middle of a busy street and relieve yourself

          • Kai

            Again, see my other comments first.

            Do you think that’s what the parents were training the kid to do? Do you think that’s what they want to train the kid to do? It seems to be both then and now that the parents let the kid go in the street because they felt there were no other choice and no more time. I’m basing this off what they said, that they tried to wait for a restroom but there was a line and the kid had to go, asking “what do you want me to do?”

            I think if an adult was in the situation of not being able to find an open restroom or a secluded place but they REALLY had to go, the adult might actually just shit his pants because adults generally have a way higher sense of shame. That’s frankly part of the reason why most people are a lot more lenient about kids publicly urinating or (to a way lesser extent) defecating, because adults generally still see kids as innocent, which they are, and thus have much less sense of shame about nudity or whatnot (go tree of knowledge!).

            So yeah, I don’t think the parents were training the kid that this is okay. I think they simply did what they could for their kid so the kid didn’t shit himself.

          • nickhz

            Whaaaa? Sooner or later in the process of potty-training, you stop wearing diapers outside the home as well. There is absolutely no reason why “vacation/shopping” is an automatic diaper time, much less “Hong Kong”.———- the child is 2…. diapers in situation would have completely stopped this from happening. how is this so hard for you to accept. 2 years old a child is not developed enough to be expected to not have mistakes of this nature, therefore they should have had a diaper on the child

          • Kai

            See my other comments first.

            In general, I don’t think 2 years old is automatic diaper age. It depends on the kid. There was an important disconnect between Ryo and I on our understanding of the incident and that contributed to what we were arguing about. Therefore, it’s not that its “so hard” for me to accept that diapers “would have completely stopped this from happening”, it’s also what we know about what exactly happened. To understand what I was arguing about the diapers, you need to understand what I thought happened, which I believe is different from what you think happened.

  • IsurvivedChina

    you can take the villager from the village but you can’t take the village from the villager!

    • whuddyasack

      Yeah, sure. What about the pissing, shitting adult laowai not only in Hong Kong but around the world? How about the pee-peeing Dutch adults? Also if you really want to know what’s hopeless, it’s the fact that White people have huge, numerous stinky apocrine glands and oozing ear wax when compared to Asians. That’s genetics and given the same situation, you guys just stink compared to Chinese. I always hate sitting next to the big, fat White guy with BO issues.

      • IsurvivedChina

        whataboutisms only make you look lame!

      • mr.wiener

        That is NOT what you said when you were licking my ear the other night.
        According to my in-laws i smell like sore pork, but Chinese people make up for this with their “dragon breath”.

        • whuddyasack

          Yeah got me there hahaha. I’ll stop before it gets worse. Thanks for putting the lid on Pandora’s Box.

        • Kai

          Tell the pork to stretch after the workout.

      • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

        How often are you forced to sit next to fat white smelly people with ear wax? Do you work at an English training center?

        • whuddyasack

          Actually you are closer to the truth than you think. I study in an educational facility and there are plenty of smelly porkers (English lecturers/teachers) in colleges that prey on female international students or sleazily go touchy-touchy moochy-moochy on them hahaha. I’m not saying all White people are smelly or fat or even sleazy, I’m referring to a subset. I remembered preventing this old English academic from inappropriately touching, petting and hugging his Japanese international students by conversing with him when no one else seemed to get the clue. We succeeded in eventually reporting porky-boary.

          BTW, keep up the good jokes on the ESLs. Try to add some Russians in there for good measure.

          • IsurvivedChina

            speaking of smoochy pouchy!

          • whuddyasack

            It’s just a picture ISC. Everyone knows that most Asian guys stick to Asian girls because that’s who they are most comfortable around haha

          • IsurvivedChina

            this guy forgot the memo i see…. LOL

          • whuddyasack

            Lol, like I said. Just a fantasy for the self-hating, non-confident, Asian female blamers to lap up and use as an excuse or an escape from their “woes” and “grim reality”. It’s funny because if these things didn’t exist, they’d pretend to be all WHAT ABOUT OUR heritage, our being Asian, etc. Then the minute they do get a chance to prove how much they value being in the minority, their 2% in America they dump it aside and do what the Asian females they supposedly hate do. That’s the problem, if only some of them could accept and learn to love each other no matter what, and see beyond their circumstances. Look at the eyes, the soul and most importantly what makes us who we are.

            If there’s one thing women should avoid, it’s the fetishizing, chips-on-shoulders, R-card pulling males. And I think most White girls already know that. I think Asian women also deserve the same protection from those sorts of guys.

          • IsurvivedChina

            some would say you’re a bit racist, but I think you already knew that!

          • whuddyasack

            No, I don’t think it’s about racism. Think about it. Do you think it is silly to whine about all da AFs going with the WMs while celebrating all the AMs going with the WFs? Especially when self-hate, pride in your own heritage and who your identity were one of your original arguments? But I think we’re getting a bit carried away here. This is about some unreasonable Hong Kong youths terrorizing an unfortunate mainland mother, her husband and daughter. I’m glad most Hong Kong people aren’t like that, and I’m glad most mainlanders had the decency to feel shame and later retract it upon seeing the bigger picture. Let’s just hope that in the future, all this would be a thing in the past. Not holding my breath but I think it’s possible. Most HK people I know have been amazing as I’ve also met some amazing Taiwanese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean, and so many other people.

          • IsurvivedChina

            I don’t expect you to get this but the language we use paints a picture of our inner soul. The fact that you choose to categorise people in a such a way with derogatory undertones speaks clearly about the kind of soul you have! I know you’re young, I get it I was young once, but I hope in time when you get a little older you see’ll see the error of your ways.

          • whuddyasack

            What’s wrong? I didn’t categorize them in a negative light. I’ve said I know most are truly good people if you will. If you’re talking about the AMWFs, all I’m pointing out is they can be a little less critical of their other halves and more supportive. Also, they should be slighly aware of their hypocrisy since nowadays it’s hard to find anything meaningful on the web regarding fertility and marriage statistics of the Asian diaspora without interracial marriages thrown from both sides. I get it, they are in love. Good for them.

          • IsurvivedChina

            When I look back at your history and going from previous posts I would say you have, but like I said I don’t blame you, you’re young. Pride is most dangerous in the young at heart! In real life it is more like judge not yet ye be judged yourself. When you leave yourself open like you do with the “what about them” it speaks chapters! Your placing your belief structure, juvenile as it is, out there for people to see and that is why the trolls come at you, heck that is why I have come at you! Having fun and laughing at our mistakes is one thing, hell even heckling at them is fine – it makes us human, but lecturing people on their beliefs on an open forum like this is something completely different all together!

          • whuddyasack

            When I look back at your history and going from previous posts I would say you have

            So why not provide the link to those posts where I have spoken negatively on Taiwanese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean? Since you say going through my comment history you can see just that.

            In real life it is more like judge not yet ye be judged yourself.

            Exactly, this is a good motto for you not for me. Since I don’t judge others by where they were born or their nationality. I think how they act and how they treat tells me more about them than anything.

          • IsurvivedChina

            that would be too easy!

          • whuddyasack

            Then do it. Because as far as I remember, I’ve never spoken negatively on any of them. In fact, I’ve been more critical on Chinese society than either Filipino or Japanese society for instance.

          • IsurvivedChina

            cry me a river… you a racist, and you don’t even know it!

          • whuddyasack

            Yup, accuse without any proof. I thought as much.

          • IsurvivedChina

            oh dude… l don’t have to, you’re doing a pretty good job yourself. Now your going to throw all these diversionary tactics at me like I’ve got nothing else to call you but this or that… you’re going to sound smart but people see through it, hence the boy who cried wolf.

          • whuddyasack

            All I’m asking is for you to prove that I’ve said anything derogatory about Japanese, Taiwanese, Koreans, Thais, Filipinos, Viets in the past. You can’t because I’ve never spoken about them in a bad light and I’ve been more critical of Chinese society than theirs. That is it in a nutshell.

          • IsurvivedChina

            your hatred of Asian women dating white men? please explain that one to me like your not a racist.

          • whuddyasack

            Like I said, I’ve never opposed them being together if they are in love. A good white husband is many times better than a bad Chinese one. But it doesn’t mean I think gene mixing is weird and unnatural. TBH, I feel the same way with Asian men dating white women because from what I know at least, Asian people like the Chinese evolved separately. Some say from the Himilayas, some say Yunnan, some say Qinhai and some say Guangxi. All I know ice-age like conditions made us what we are today while this is not true for Blacks and Whites. You guys evolved somewhere in North Africa and the Middle East under Mediterranean climates thus have more in common with each other. I have personal reasons why I fear for a Mexicanized Chinese race because I’ve seen first hand what it’s done to the Native Americans.

            Is that non-racist enough for you?

          • IsurvivedChina

            What about Indian marrying Chinese

          • whuddyasack

            Indians are Caucasian so when it comes to race, they map along with North Americans and other Whites. But when it comes to marriage, I have the same opinions. As long as they’re happy and the husband can take care of the wife.

            I’d admit I’m not the biggest fan of women’s rights in India but other than those variables, it’s pretty much the same.

            As for the Muslims, it’s nothing to do with racism but culture. I just really despise how they view and treat women in general. When it comes to birthrates, they have the normal gender ratios, but towards the end, men outnumber women in the ME 3:1 which means there must’ve been a lot of women killing there.

          • IsurvivedChina

            now how about people pissing and shitting in the street?

          • don mario

            dude, you are totally racist. i won’t bother reading the rest of your posts if you are coming from this weird and racist point of view. you need to grow the fuck up dude.

          • Cameron

            Dude, Chinese people came from Africa like everyone else on the planet. There’s is no half believable evidence to the contrary (and yeah I know about Peking Man)

          • whuddyasack
          • IsurvivedChina

            bringing the discussion full circle, the child had a nappy and the mother chose to hold it instead of using it properly. She allowed her baby to piss in the street, that’s unhealthy btw, they got caught and now your trying to deflect attention by using what about them cards and this is rather boring…

          • whuddyasack

            Well, how was she to know that the child had to go? And at least she bothered to let the child piss in the a nappy rather than on the street. Wouldn’t you say the Hong Kongers who were grabbing on to her and yelling at her in front of her own daughter and husband should have known better as well?
            Besides, you’re the one who made the villager comment first. That’s boring because it’s a bit like trolling.

          • don mario

            those women fetishize aswell.

          • Guest

            What’s an R-card?

          • Dr Sun

            no idea, maybe a bus pass of some sort.

          • hess

            It’s a software for an access control system here in Sweden lol

          • don mario

            because white girls are too stinky?

      • hess

        Where are these shitting laowais? (I assume you mean white people). I’ve never seen one in Sweden,Norway,Denmark,Finland,Iceland,Belgium,Germany,Austria,

        Holland,Spain,Greece,Egypt,Turkey,Japan or China(mainland+HK). I’ve seen drunk adults taking a piss as discreet as they could in alleys though.

        • whuddyasack

          Didn’t take long.

          • hess

            Still doesn’t counter the fact that the only place I’ve seen people poo on the street was in China (a daily occurence in Shijiazhuang). But have yet to see “laowais” do this anywhere else, and my guess is that I’m more well traveled than you are. Oh and I googled “white person pooping on street” and found another white guy, taking a dump next to a cop car, while when i changed white to chinese, i got countless of examples of chinese kids taking a dump on the streets.

          • don mario

            those guys are freaks though..

            there was a news story a while ago of a yank taking a dump in some mans garden everyday she went jogging. she obviously got some type of anti establishment kick out of it or something.. point is shes a freak. this fat walmat guy is obviously one too. it is not the norm..

            it china nobody bats an eyelid when grown ass men pee out in the crowded streets or even drop off some heavy ones on the side of the road. they see it as totally normal and convinient!

      • don mario

        BO is a matter of hygiene. sure genetics might play a part but its not going to be there if you actually know how to wash.

        and there are plenty of chinese that have bad hygene too.. there is a lot of people with death breath in china.. so your point is rather useless.

      • Jahar

        The difference is, that’s not acceptable behavior, nor do we condone it.

        I’ve ran into more dirty, smelly Chinese people in my 4 years here than dirty, smelly White people in 29 years in Canada. But if calling us all dirty, stinky, pigs makes you feel better, more secure, superior, or whatever, then rock on. You giant racist asshole.

        • Dr Sun

          Are all Canadians white, never knew that, I guess all the Asians, etc I saw there were just long term (20+ year visa) tourists ?

          • Jahar

            I don’t know where in what I posted I said all Canadians are white. I don’t even know how you could get that idea from what I said.

            But, do you for some reason have the idea that I would have seen less white people in Canada in 29 years than Chinese people in 4 years in China?

  • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

    I sh!t and p!ss….throw trash…spit…pick my nose and ass…as a Chinese….this is a human right and you can’t stop me

    • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

      ironic as hell

  • Xiao Mei

    If you take a child who is used to urinating at a moments notice, they won’t be able to hold it. This problem is specific to China, you don’t have the same issue abroad. In my apartment complex (which has toilets everywhere) children regularly urinate on the footpath and in the elevator. However, this is a government problem which needs to be fixed with public awareness through advertising and notices. If people don’t think it’s wrong, they won’t stop doing it.

    • noodles76

      In….the…elevator.
      Amazing.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      I’ve been in some western apartment blocks where the elevator smells of piss…usually it is some drunk bastard living in a poor area. Still, that shit is rancid.

  • Insomnicide

    These manner-less rural bumpkins are an embarrassment to mainlanders, these bitchy self-righteous discriminate arseholes are an embarrassment to Hongkongers. However both are an embarrassment to Chinese people!

  • mojo

    why oh why do those guys always mention lao wai?! what kind of obsession do these people have with laowai???? and the whole point of having a diaper is to pee in it not to catch one’s pee.

    • loki

      simple, because a drunk out of his mind laowai acts like the best trained Chinese… So in order to make Chinese look better thats the only option for deflection….

      “Hey I know I am a P.O.S. and have no excuse but look there is also this non Chinese guy getting drunk . focus on him not me..”

    • don mario

      because every bad thing is china is not chinese peoples fault! its the laowais!! it has to be! how could it possibly be blamed on the chinese..

    • JankyFosci

      Because many Hong Kongers (like Mainlanders actually) worship laowais and have a double standard for them. You see these laowais piss and vomit in the streets but you will never see a HKer confront them about it. Double standards always irritate people.

  • Dr Sun

    Call me old fashioned but when my kids were young enough to need nappies (diapers, for the Yanks) They wore them secured under their clothes, I didn’t hold them for use.
    Probably trying to save a few Rmb by not putting it on and hoping she wont pee.

    I feel sorry for child, this was pretty traumatizing for her.

    • noodles76

      Exactly. It’s not complicated is it? It sure shouldn’t be. For those who can’t afford the disposable kind there are cheap reusable cloth diapers available. No excuses. I’ve heard them all though from my in-laws. I lose my shit every time I see my daughter without a diaper when she spends time with them. I can’t understand how people fail at this. If the kid leaves the house…diaper on. Period. If you want your kid running around sans diaper in your own home that is your problem and I don’t care at all but in public it’s another matter entirely. A few days ago we took my daughter to a …..(I’m sure there’s a word for it but it escapes me)…store in the mall that has a bunch of things for kids to play on. Actually saw some grandma pull out a baggie and let her precious pee right there in the middle of all the kids and playthings. Disgusting. No toilets in a mall I guess……

      • Rick in China

        Fully agree.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      You intentionally not let them wear diapers anymore when they reach a certain age… It’s call POTTY TRAINING.

      • Dr Sun

        yeah and you do that at home.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          LOL and you say you have kids.

          • Dr Sun

            yes I do,and I never had to catch pee on the streets in a nappy. do you and if so did your kids pee in the streets with you holding a nappy for them ?

            if you did your “potty training” and judgement was as poor as this womans

          • YourSupremeCommander

            I feel bad for your unfortunate kids then, having diapers jam up their asses till they are old enough for 2nd grade.

          • Dr Sun

            wow you were still potty training your kids at 7 years old ?

          • YourSupremeCommander

            That was you idiot, can’t even read?

          • loki

            your a moron… trolling like that its just sad man …

          • YourSupremeCommander

            Sure girl, now get back down lick it.

          • loki

            sorry, I really don’t get it … what are you trying to say? I am not mocking you just don’t understand your post…

          • Rick in China

            Hahahaha, I laughed at: “I never had to catch pee on the streets in a nappy”

            The thing is – she had diapers with her. I don’t get why she knows she needs diapers so carries them around, yet doesn’t put them on, what the fuck? Potty training doesn’t need to include putting your child’s privacy, comfort, and pride at risk.

            I’ve never been in HK, needed to find a washroom, and been unable to find one within a couple minutes *max*. Line my ass, they just didn’t want to bother walking another minute.

          • loki

            where is this she had diapers video everyone keeps going on about …. because I didn’t see any and I saw the same video you did.. Also if she did have diapers She pulled them out after being confronted NO DOUBT..

          • Rick in China

            Benefit of the doubt. I also had that problem at the start. I looked closely and someone said something about the 4 second mark yada yada, I think she had a little white something in her hand – it maybe was just a tiny bit of tissue paper, THAT is more likely, but benefit of the doubt because it _doesn’t matter at all_ for the sake of the side of the argument I’m on :D

          • linette lee

            There is no such thing as no restroom in Hong Kong. Restaurants EVERYWHERE.

            The China parents physically assaulted the HK people. They don’t understand in HK they can’t do that. HK police will arrest them. They can have criminal record.

          • Rick in China

            That’s what I am saying – not only that, but anywhere downtown between subways or malls or whatever there are also public facilities, it’s just insane to say “oh the line-up was so long, couldn’t wait!” — if the emergency from start to completion was under 2 minutes, *maybe*, but if your child says “Mom I need to pee…” and 10 seconds later is peeing on the street, that’s not potty trained and *strap a diaper on* yah?

          • moldavidian

            Exactly. I can’t count how many times i’ve seen people here in Qingdao pee on the streets, on a hospital floor and even in a plant in a restaurant when there was a public toilet within site. Some people are just fucking lazy. Look at all the trash on the streets when there are trash bins nearly everywhere.

          • noodles76

            I’m in Qingdao too and yeah…it’s everywhere. Maybe it’s worse here than some other cities due to all the tourists but….that sounds like a lame overused excuse. Like when the gov’t says oh…it was temporary workers. In Qingdao they blame the waidiren. Sadly enough, I don’t think the issue is lazy or not. It seems some just feel entitled to do as they wish without regard to other human beings. I’m not perfect, I have also on occasion peed in public. However, I have only done so when no other options were available and I always find an out of the way place to conduct my business.

            This is a strange culture in my opinion. I know many Chinese who are selfless and who care about others feelings and respect themselves. On the other hand, I have never encountered a culture where self centeredness (is that a word?) is the norm and it seems to be so here. Too many only are concerned with themselves and their immediate needs which is why people drive the way they do, toss garbage anywhere they wish, pee wherever they may be, smoke everywhere, park their cars without regard for others, and the list just goes on doesn’t it…

          • moldavidian

            Amen, brother.

          • Kai

            Were you ever in comparable situation as these parents? You’ve the same details I have, right? The kid had to go, they tried waiting for a restroom, but the kid wouldn’t make it, had to go, so the mom MacGuyver’d it and improvised because in that moment, she thought it’d be better than letting the kid shit directly onto the ground.

            Not sure why you think potty training only happens at home. Sooner or later it has to extend beyond the home. Everyone who is potty trained has at one point stopped wearing diapers outside the home.

          • nickhz

            if you are in a public place, put a diaper on your child if they are not potty trrained enough to have some control. it is a process. i would never put my child in a position like that. a parent should know thier children and be prepared. if my child still has accidents or emergencies that happen so fast….. then i would always make sure a diaper was on in a busy public place like this. it is the parents responsibility. i feel bad for the child to have such irresponsible parents

          • Kai

            I think you and I have very different levels of information regarding this incident. This comment you’re responding to was made before I learned some additional information I covered here in a mea culpa. I hope you’ll check it out to better understand what I was thinking when I wrote the above comment and what I think now.

            If I were to respond to your comment with what I thought at the time, I would agree with you that a kid who isn’t potty trained enough to have some control should have a diaper. I agree completely that it is a process. I agree completely that if a kid still has accidents or emergencies that happen so fast, then they should still be wearing a diaper. So far you and I are on the exact same page.

            The thing is, we don’t know how long the kid has been holding it in, so we can’t say it happened so fast. We’re led to believe the kid is potty trained by the mere fact that the kid isn’t wearing diapers and the parents didn’t have diapers on them. So we’re led to then believe that the kid simply had to go and could no longer hold it in long enough for the parents to find another open restroom.

            Therefore, there’s no specific detail to make me think the parents were irresponsible or unreasonably careless in putting their kid in such a position.

    • ClausRasmussen

      The girl didn’t need diapers. She presumably was old enough to tell when she had to go, but the line to the restroom was too long.

      • loki

        too long? Does the child not know that her bladder is about to explode until the last 30 seconds? I mean .. once again I got a dog that can hold it for 8 hours.. How Fncking long was that line anyways…

        • Daniel

          I guess you dont have a child. And yes, they are about to explode those last 30 seconds, sometimes even before that.

          • loki

            well no I have children but still I can’t really put chinese people on the same level as my kids… because my kids both know not to do stupid stuff like that… gotta go down a few pegs . to say umm my dogs… thats about where pissing in and dumping loads in the street gets you … no excuses..

          • nickhz

            that’s fair… but if your child is still at an age of a 30 second warning then you can put a diaper on while you are in public places so there is no accident. they should wear diapers until they are properly trained.

        • JankyFosci

          Spoken like a non-parent.

          • loki

            oh please….. your kids know when they have to go .. and no its not at the last second… give it up, if your kids don’t know to tell you 30 seconds before the piss themselves.. there is a metal problem with the kid or the parents . you choose…

          • loki

            2 sons… 17 an 19…. thanks though… you should say spoken like a non Chinese …

          • JankyFosci

            Hopefully your children don’t turn out to be ignorant sacks of shit like yourself.

          • loki

            oh ok ….. HEY everyone .. I am ignorant and a sack of Sh!t, because I really don’t like watching people piss and crap in public, and believe Humans Should know better, and take responsibility for what their children do while they are in public…

          • Guang Xiang

            No, I believe Janky is referring to your obvious prejudice against Chinese.

          • loki

            Actually I wish (WISH!!!!!) there was nothing to complain about and Chinese people wouldn’t act like this…

            If say Germans (or any other nations people) acted like, well hate to say it but Chinese people I would be all over them also. Actually Chinese tourists are making all the other nations look good..

          • JankyFosci

            You’re ignorant because you think non-Chinese children have no problems with bladder control. Is that clear now? You do realize a significant number of kids here in the West take expensive medications for that right? Medications that I doubt the regular Chinese citizen can even afford.

          • loki

            ok… so your making a blanket statement in saying chinese are poor and can’t afford meds..

            That’s why they piss and sh!t in the street and on the walls in the bathrooms and pile used toilet paper next to the toilets? Its not even an excuse I don’t know what your trying to really say? But keep in mind, this is not only about children.

          • JankyFosci

            I didn’t make a blanket statement. The regular Chinese citizen would refer to the average Chinese income (or median income), which is clearly lower than the USA’s for example. This is backed up by hard statistical data unlike your bullshit. Seriously, how are you a parent?

          • loki

            3 things.. would like to point out.
            1. median in not the average.. that would be the “mean”
            2. you do know that the cost of medicine in China is much lower than say USA…
            3. how am I a parent? Well you see when a mommy and a daddy really care for one another…….

          • JankyFosci

            1. Median is more accurate in this case since it makes income disparity differences between China and the USA less important. Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you? Yeesh!

            2. Yes, but DDAVP still costs hundreds of dollars. You’d know if you had any sort of expertise in the area but you don’t. Sorry I keep assuming stupid people on the internet know what they’re talking about.

            3. I mean, how the hell did you find another woman that would accept someone with as bigoted and idiotic opinions as yours. Well I guess there’s someone for everyone.

          • loki

            1. silly guy… the disparity is the whole point…

            2. Desmopressin is prescribed for the uncontrolable need to urinate because of diabetes. “diabetes insipidus”

            http://www.yaofang.cn/goods-150212.html a bottle goes for 207 RMB or 34 dollars not hundreds …

            3. Shes Chinese of course …. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

          • JankyFosci

            1. How so? How does taking into account billionaire incomes reflect the average Chinese citizen in any way?

            2. Turns out googling DDAVP is a really dumb way to learn about drugs. It’s also used commonly in kids with bladder issues. Yes even those that don’t have diabetes. Sigh. I find it laughable you’re trying to argue with me over something you obviously know nothing about.

            3. A bottle of 30. And that’s the 0.1 mg /60 ug formulation which is rarely prescribed The 120 is the usual starting dose and it goes up to 360. Many kids are on the 360 dose. So you’re looking at 6x that cost. So yes, hundreds. That works out to $2448 per year. You’re. Still. Wrong.

            4. Right, sure she is. You write like a teenager. The only thing you’re married to is your hand.

          • noodles76

            Ok. So Chinese can afford meds if there is an underlying medical condition. Let’s say I grant you that. Now go ahead and explain for me why so many pee/shit in public. If there is no underlying and untreated medical condition it must be because they lack simple manners and/or shame. .

          • Dr Sun

            I believe its a cultural thing for some, and a lack of parental education/ responsibility, most likely stemming from the massive moral destruction and poverty that resulted from the great leap and the cultural revolution and that the current gangsters(dogs) running the show dont want a educated, thoughtful or self critical thinking population.

          • noodles76

            I agreed with some of your earlier posts in this thread but now you’re just making excuses for poor behavior.

          • Dr Sun

            poor behaviour in your eye, not theirs, that’s the point.

            personally I think wiping out innocent civilians in drone attacks is worse, or taking a gun into a school and killing as many people as can is a more concerning example of bad behaviour, but I bet you have a “rock on” cultural excuse for that.

          • noodles76

            I’d like to type out a lengthy response to the insanity you posted….but I have to get back to programming the drones.

            Either way, none of the nonsense you posted above could be considered to be cultural behavior. You’re arguing one thing yet rambling about another.

          • Dr Sun

            As you have no answer but posting drivel, you had better do that.

          • noodles76

            You’re comparing the fact that Mainland Chinese (usually young kids) often defecate/urinate in public and that it’s culturally acceptable to do so……..with drone attacks on civilians and taking guns to school… neither of which are cultural behavior or considered OK. But…I’m the one posting drivel. You’re a funny guy.

          • Dr Sun

            Are you a troll ?
            “mainland chinese” was the first clue that you know nothing about chinese people, history or culture, making the wild generalization that ALL mainland children piss on the street, was the second clue you have absolutely no idea what you talking about. i dont one single Chinese that allows their child to defecate on the street, but I know a entire nation that allows its CIA/ military to wipe out innocents on mass with drones. Go sort your own moral glass house out before you throw stones.

          • 素质高

            I love the holier than thou attitude–that’s a 反问句 by the way. You don’t need to know about mainland history to see that kids run around here with 开短裤 and 尿尿 wherever they want. It happens in downtown Shanghai as well in the parts that the government hasn’t razed yet. Anyone who’s been here for more than a few weeks will have seen it.

            The Chinese that a stupid overseas person like yourself would hang around with are not ordinary Chinese. Go to a 农村 and see what’s what.

            And you make yourself look more like a fool, not to mention a pathetic, has been world power still 装-ing 酷 when you diss Americans after calling someone a troll for supposedly stereotyping mainland Chinese.

          • Dr Sun

            Actually I have been to many villages over the years and the little crotchless suites that you refer to are seen less, year by year by year.
            As to your last part I’ll treat that with the contempt it deserves by not even responding to it.

          • 素质高

            How many thousands of Chinese died at the hands of the British imperialists during the Opium Wars?

            Still waiting for an answer you bumbling hypocrite

          • Dr Sun

            well yet again you show your lack of knowledge, many thousands died, most were so doped up by their own officers and sent in to die on mass for a purpose. If you ever even decide to read some history you may get some understanding of what lead up to the opium wars and who was making the big money and who were protecting themselves from change .
            I dont know if your just a troll or a sock troll, but your getting boring.

          • 素质高

            That’s funny logic you got there.

            Ok, so the people who shot and killed them weren’t the ones who killed them, their officers who led them into battle were. You Brits banned opium in your own country and then forced it down the jaws of another people. When China screamed no you rounded up all of the other hooligans (a.k.a. European powers) you could find and wreaked mayhem,

            Are you an apologist for all of the other civilians your crooked British empire killed in the name of taking up the white man’s burden? You take offense to drones though. I think you’re the one who needs to dust off of the big history book of war crimes.

            Who am I? I take form only when someone blinded by his (usually a he) vanity and willful lack of knowledge starts making statements so outrageous or hypocritical that they cannot be left unanswered.

            For a moment I thought you had enough self control not to write back. But like a lot of the other people here, you can’t resist responding because you know you’re wrong and you just can’t bear it.

          • Dr Sun

            you are a uneducated idiot , for fucks sake go and read the history and the politics before you post such smack nonsense.
            Tell me, give an example of one war that was based and justified on logic and please don’t say that the “Domino theory ” is logical or that the crusades,or expansionism is logical.
            Who it is that die on mass in any war are: the common soldiers, the civilians.Those who gets to (run off) or survive are the generals , the financiers, the politicians and the rich.
            Please read history and some history.
            your just embarrassing yourself now.

          • 素质高

            Ooh that was quick. Score one for the troll.

            If you could just say “yes Britain did reprehensible things in the name of empire which I don’t agree with” then I could respect you a lot more. Instead you just tried passing the buck. Not cool dude. Your bloody army indiscriminately killed thousands of people throughout history; it doesn’t matter what the cause was it happened. Don’t try and generalize it by saying all wars are bad. I think U.S. involvement in World War II, the Korean War and even the reasoning behind the Vietnam war was justified. The continuance of the last of which I strongly disagree with though.

            You make little snide comments about drone warfare, Yanks, etc. while overlooking all of the horrible things your country has done. Hypocrite. Racism against mainland Chinese but dissing on Americans is ok. Hypocrite.

            If you want me to agree that drone warfare has its drawbacks like accidental deaths of civilians, then I have no problem agreeing. Doesn’t hurt my ego.

            You’d look a lot less petty if you could own up to the stuff done in the name of the Union Jack and glory.

          • Surfeit

            Pretty spot on. He did say he knows an entire nation that supports drones, then invalidates the notion saying that a working class boy doesn’t make war.

          • Surfeit

            Dispassionately though, the imbalance between the Ages of Empire and the Modern Era should not me undervalued.

          • Dr Sun

            Hey , its SOCK troll # 3. LOL

            Mods is any way you can remove all these kind of “socks & trolls” by their shared (same) IP address, or identical verbage ?

          • Surfeit

            Don’t be like that! It was a good observation and deserved credit. You were being a bloody hypocrite!

          • Dr Sun

            Please if you are real, lean to read beyond the rhetoric and get to understand the substance and meaning.

          • Surfeit

            Why not just type what you mean?

          • Dr Sun

            time for you to move on and troll kai, or wiener, their way entertaining and more laid back than me.
            Or try posting to 素质高, pos, i survived or rick but that may be a tad scary and too real for you, talking into your own mirror.

          • Surfeit

            HAHA you edited your previous post! You jive sucker!

          • Dr Sun

            Ok, every war Britain has been Involved in was bad and unjustified, They killed thousands of innocents,terribly bad people horrible Nation .On the other hand Every war the USA has stated or in been involved in was totally just and good, they have never killed any innocents, they are pure they are gods chosen children spreading the ideals of THEIR Christian, free mason, free corporate market capitalism and thats pure and it sweet,. Make you feel better..TROLL

          • 素质高

            Ok, sorry for trolling you there.

            You know it’s not as simple as that, and that’s not what I was trying to say.

            It’s not a matter of black and white, someone is always good or bad. I wasn’t trying to say everything Britain has done was always bad, just that you guys have a checkered past too. The U.S. has done/is doing plenty of crappy things, especially after becoming a world power.

            There are reasons behind these decisions, of course, and most leaders are doing the best they can with limited information, time, and actual power to guide events. Some leaders are motivated by high ideals, and others by crass materialism or worse.

            As for the rest of what you wrote–I’m not a fan of corporate American culture either, or narrow minded evangelicals. As for Free Masons, I thought they came from Scotland, so maybe you’re blaming the wrong place.

          • Dr Sun

            Free masons are the continuance of the ‘knights templars” and their philosophy has not changed much, look on the back of your dollar bill, what do you see ? look at your founding fathers, look at whos running Halliburton, GM, Goldman-Sachs today.

          • 素质高

            Come on man, I just gave you a nice opening…

            What is the philosophy of the Knights Templar and Free Mason–A New World Order? What does that mean anyways?

            The symbol is supposed to mean that humanity is a work in progress, under the guidance of the almighty.

            Don’t you think it’s ironic that you make such wild generalizations about Americans but get offended when people do the same with mainland Chinese?

            I gotta get to bed now, it’s late here. I’ll be watching you through that eye, so behave ;-)

            Peace.

          • 素质高

            I love the holier than thou attitude–that’s a 反问句 by the way. You don’t need to know about mainland history to see that kids run around here with 开短裤 and 尿尿 wherever they want. It happens in downtown Shanghai as well in the parts that the government hasn’t razed yet. Anyone who’s been here for more than a few weeks will have seen it.

            The Chinese that a stupid overseas person like yourself would hang around with are not ordinary Chinese. Go to a 农村 and see what’s what.

            And you make yourself look more like a 傻逼 fool, not to mention poorly represent your pathetic, has been world power, still 装-ing 酷 island when you diss Americans after calling someone a troll for supposedly stereotyping mainland Chinese.

          • 素质高

            And the British colonial masters were so nice to the Chinese, right? That whole Opium War thing, kinda forgot about that have we? The 圆明园? Read history much?

          • 素质高

            I love the holier than thou attitude–that’s a 反问句 by the way. You don’t need to know about mainland history to see that kids run around here with 开短裤 and 尿尿 wherever they want. It happens in downtown Shanghai as well in the parts that the government hasn’t razed yet. Anyone who’s been here for more than a few weeks will have seen it.

            The Chinese that a stupid overseas person like yourself would hang around with are not ordinary Chinese. Go to a 农村 and see what’s what.

            And you make yourself look more like a fool, not to mention a pathetic, has been world power still 装-ing 酷 when you diss Americans after calling someone a troll for supposedly stereotyping mainland Chinese.

          • Dr Sun

            wow some angry aggressive uneducated trolls around at the moment.

          • Surfeit

            We came to conquer!

          • 素质高

            And get off your high and mighty horse about drone’s for Pete’s sake. Remember the Opium War? The Summer Palace/圆明园?Read history much? Most of the world’s intractable geo-political problems can be traced back to the Brits.

            Palestine… India/Pakistan…

          • noodles76

            Are you off your meds?
            Oh gee…please forgive me for not qualifying that statement.

            You’re comparing the fact that MOST Mainland Chinese (usually young kids)
            often defecate/urinate in public and that it’s culturally acceptable to
            do so……..with drone attacks on civilians and taking guns to
            school… neither of which are cultural behavior or considered OK.
            But…I’m the one posting drivel. You’re a funny guy.

            …do you feel better now?

            Also, what the hell does Chinese history have to do with this? …..and you’re still going off on a tangent about random unrelated issues. Watching you have a meltdown has sadly…been the highlight of my evening so far.

            I guess all those kids wearing pants with the split bottoms are so junior can get a breeze on his balls? I also guess the countless times I’ve seen it happen have all been a figment of my imagination.

            The more you talk, the more you discredit yourself.

          • Surfeit

            Actually two adverbs were used that remitted generalisation of ‘all mainland children’.

          • Dr Sun

            I never make excuses, they just to build more poorly lit alley ways, or more bushy parks, so Chinese can pee in public (but half hidden from view), as all western countries did.

          • Reptilian

            I believe it’s a cultural thing too, but the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revo have quite little to do with today’s lack of social etiquette in China. They’re events 60+ years ago. Most Chinese today aren’t even aware of Tiananmen 1989.

            The pell-mell rush to riches attitude more like it; the step-on-anyone-to-get-ahead mentality, that easily leads to a disregard for how society as a whole is supposed to be kept orderly.

          • Dr Sun

            really ? I don’t remember seeing the stories about the droves of wall street banker, investors, financiers and sub-prime mortgage holders in the post Regan / Thatcher years just suddenly in their selfish drive for personal advancement lost their social etiquette even though I guess most Americans or Brits today are not even aware of the “Miners Strike” in the 1970/80’s.
            The point being the cultural revolution and great leap not only killed millions of people but it fundamentally changed peoples thinking and behaviour. The surge of self centered narcissistic consumerism in the west post 1980 did the same thing, just by other means.

          • loki

            I am on your side here… I think it is 100% unacceptable. manners/shame/up bringing/whatever the so called reason its still sub human…

          • noodles76

            I can assure you that you’re not ‘on my side’ if you refer to people as subhuman.

          • nickhz

            are you serious? have you ever seen a parent in north america hold the child in the air to shit or piss on a floor in public? ever? how can you defend this? it is not appropriate on any level. that is what diapers are for. it is encouraged, why do you think they have the “split pants”? childrens pants with a split down the ass so they can go to the washroom anywhere

          • JankyFosci

            Yes, I have. It’s not appropriate IMO, but I have. I work with the general public though so I obviously have more experience than you. Anymore questions?

          • loki

            you work with the public? you mean homeless people? well At least they have a solid excuse… What’s China’s excuse?

          • loki

            ^ 100% agree

          • loki

            I love it how you throw the word “significant” in there because you have no data and no idea how many kids are medicated for urinary or bowel problems in America..
            then you throw the “I doubt Chinese Citizens can afford” meaning your actually not sure what your saying…

          • JankyFosci

            Considering how I’m a pharmacist who works in multiple areas I’m pretty sure I have a good idea of how many kids are medicated for urinary problems in America. What’s your expertise on this? And I’ll change my “doubt” into, I’m 100% certain. I’m also 100% certain I know more about this than you.

          • loki

            oh ok now your a pharmacist… ok whatever… I am loki brother of thor heir to the throne of asgard ….. HAHAHA… STFU idiot…

          • loki

            at least they won’t act like Chinese in public..

        • bprichard

          Eh, I bet the people in line would probably be okay with letting a nearly-wetting-herself child cut.

          • Paul

            Probably not, since most people queuing up at Mong Kok’s public toilets are Mainlanders ;) It’s “I’m first and don’t give a shit about your kid” all the way.

          • loki

            Beat me to it ….. was going to totally say the same thing… Can’t blame bprichard though, you have to see it and experience it first hand to really understand how Chinese can act ..

          • Kai

            Weren’t they in Wanchai?

          • loki

            OMG!!! I agree 1000% ….. oh wait … …………………………. umm China or (anywhere else ) ? because “dem Chiners be kinda messed up sumtimes”

          • Kai

            You’d hope so, but it’s also possible the parents didn’t want to trouble others who may also be desperate to relieve themselves and have been waiting patiently. People don’t always ask for favors and may prefer to inconvenience themselves rather than others. It may also be that they think its much less embarrassing for a kid to do an improvised shit in public than it would be for an adult, and that others would be a lot more lenient with them given the circumstances.

            There are definitely a lot of alternate things they could’ve done. The question is whether or not what they did really that unreasonable and outrageous? That it should be photographed with the intent for further public shaming?

          • nickhz

            come on…. how many adults in this world cant force themselves to hold it if neccessary? that is a cop out

          • Kai

            Everyone has a breaking point where its coming out whether you want to hold it or not. We don’t know if the kid was at that breaking point. Don’t you think it’d be harsh to blast the kid for not being able to hold it in? The parents have no nerves around the kid’s bowels either. They had to make a judgement call. Obviously their call was that the kid had to go and they couldn’t wait until finding another open restroom. I don’t think I’m being unfair here, am I?

          • loki

            conjecture..

        • mfriedma

          My oldest is toilet trained, but if he needs to go and I can’t get him to a toilet fast I need to let him do it outside or get a diaper on him. No choice.

          And if some perv was taking pictures of him while he was doing his business I would punch the guy too.

          • loki

            regardless if someone was taking a picture or not… Why would you or anybody for that matter put you child in a position, that would be prone to having people watch your child relieve himself .. I still say parents fault regardless… there are restrooms everywhere and if your in the woods or a park come prepared.. no reason is acceptable for not being prepared . the responsibility is solely the parents..

          • mfriedma

            Shit happens, and so does pee pee.

            There are plenty of areas in HK without restrooms unless you are going to go into an office or industrial building and ask random people if you can use a toilet.

          • Dr Sun

            bullshit, did you as a young child with your parents with you take a piss in the open and in public in walmart or in oxford street. I doubt it. You scoot them away fast to a secluded place, you dont let them do it in public

          • Kai

            Hong Kong is a pretty densely populated place. If they’re at a popular shopping street, there’s no real “secluded place” nearby.

          • Dr Sun

            i guess thats why you see hundreds of people pissing in the streets of downtown manhattan everyday.

          • Kai

            Uh, you’re being unfair. You said people would normally scoot them to a secluded place. I’m just saying the area they were in may not have had a secluded place they could’ve gotten to in time before the kid burst. The same would be true in similar parts of Manhattan. I don’t see how my comment is unfair or illogical. Am I in a part of Manhattan that has dark narrow alleyways or am I in the middle of Times Square and there are people EVERYWHERE? Was the area these people in near a secluded area? Did the parents let the kid go then and there cuz he couldn’t hold it until they found a secluded area? Or did they not bother? Some combination of the above?

            http://www.today.com/moms/parents-debate-whether-its-ok-let-kids-pee-public-1B5929277

          • nickhz

            how is that unfair? new york is busier than hong kong. or at least comparable. and you would never see this. that is very fair

          • Kai

            Did you read the rest of my comment after the first sentence?

          • nickhz

            haha
            well played sir

          • loki

            Then find a BATHROOM!!! All the other people walking around aren’t popping a squat in the middle of the street..

          • Kai

            Your comment doesn’t reflect having read the same reports I have both here and elsewhere. You do understand the mainland parents were saying they found a bathroom but there was a line and the kid couldn’t hold it in any longer, right? It’s not as simple as them not bothering to find a bathroom and simply squatting on the street cuz they felt like it. Please read the story before commenting.

          • loki

            Just because someone snaps a photo of you doing something seriously out of line. he must be a perv..

          • mfriedma

            If he takes a photo of a little kid going to the bathroom he is a perv.

          • loki

            yeah because that must be the only reason to take the picture… in your perverted mind maybe …

      • linette lee

        They have diapers for adults. I am sure during vacation parents can get diapers for children. And mind you there are RESTAURANTS EVERYWHERE in Hong KOng. All you need to do is go use them. Or just buy a coffee and use their bathroom.

        Do not listen to the China people saying it’s acceptable to pee and shit everywhere. It just doesn’t make sense.

        When will the China Chinese learn and understand? Probably not in my life time.

        • Dax

          I cant speak for HK, but here in central China I frequently see parents holding their kids (if I’m lucky) over the trash can right outside free, clean(-ish, this is china) public restrooms. That one has never made sense to me.

          • Mateusz82

            It’s China… it’s not supposed to make sense.

          • loki

            yeah, I have seen that.. driving back for another city to Beijing stopped at a rest area between cities. After going to the bathroom walking out the door. a guy with his (atleast 10 y/o) kid taking a dump not 10 feet from the entrance to the bathroom door.
            I started to say something to the guy, but stopped myself. I figure if his parents teachers friends and pretty much all of China didn’t change this guy.. what chance did I have of doing it…..

      • HongKonger

        but if she’s old enough not to wear diapers, why would her parents have diapers ready then? They just carry it around town for fun? Doesn’t make sense

        • linette lee

          Maybe the HK gov’t should explain to China folks please also use restrooms inside any restaurants. If they buy a little something they can use them. But I thought this is just common sense and needn’t to explain to them.

        • mfriedma

          We do.

          Kid needs them when he naps.

        • hercm

          maybe you are just another racist troll who doesnt want to pull your head out of your ass.

          • HongKonger

            Which part of my comment makes me a racist?

            All i said was trying to look at the facts and rise reasonable questions and make very neutral debate. what YOU said, on the other hand, is personal attack with no ground

      • noodles76

        Well….the parents did in fact have a diaper with them so evidently they felt the child did need them. Accidents do happen, sometimes you just can’t hold it. Perhaps there were no other options. I don’t blame the child for anything.

        • linette lee

          No one blamed the child. Lots of HKers saying it’s a pity that poor little girl was subject to this kind of public humiliation caused by her own parents.There are bathrooms everywhere restaurants everywhere. Her own parents exposed her pussy to the world. That street is a very crowded street and popular.

          • noodles76

            Promise you the child was not humiliated until the HKers made a fuss of it the way they did. Were the kid back home, nobody would bat an eyelash at a kid peeing on the street. Unfortunately. As usual, both sides are in the wrong. The folks who confronted the parents certainly could have handled the situation far better. Instead they acted like bullies.

          • linette lee

            From what I understood was the Hk folks they are reporters. They took photos of the little girl doing her business in the middle of crowded street. The father and mother attacked the reporter trying to take his camera but took the memory card instead. They refused to give it back. They were trying to leave but the HK guys held onto their stroller until the HK police came.
            Mind you plenty of tourists with cameras there taking photos of streets of HK. Why would the mother tell her daughter to expose herself like that? There are restaurants everywhere too. No problem with getting her to the bathroom.

          • noodles76

            Reporters? Define reporter please. Or did there just happen to be 2-4 ‘reporters’ on scene to witness this little girl peeing? Who the fuck takes photos of kids peeing anyway? Seriously….both sides in this were wrong.

          • loki

            ok the picture of the kid thing yeah kinda messed up… but without that proof it would just continue happening. Wouldn’t it? If it was in a public the no privacy laws were broken, then I still think its fair game.. and should be pasted everywhere together with the parents faces.. Shamed into changing..

          • Kai

            Isn’t it also against the law to be taking photos of children naked?

            Do you have a source indicating that the young HKers involved were “reporters”?

          • linette lee

            It was on the video at 0:53. He said he is a reporter and please(he said please) give it back(memory card) to me, and he took out his ID. I understand Mandarin and Cantonese. The HK guy then said you are stealing I will call the police and the mother screamed and said go ahead(報 報報!!!)

          • Kai

            The HK police department doesn’t indicate anyone being a reporter: http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2014-04-23/142829995695.shtml

            It also seems to say it was a cellphone and not a camera? Isn’t it also said that these videos are from AFTER the police were called and after the father had taken the memory card from the guy taking photos of his kid?

            The person you may be referring to may very well be a reporter who arrived on the scene afterwards, but he wasn’t the one involved in the memory card altercation with the parents?

            One thing that I’m still confused about is whether the kid was pissing or shitting. The kid was initially reported as a girl, but HK police say its a boy. Did he shit or piss? If he pissed, why was he squating?

          • linette lee

            Kai..look at that video posted here by Hongkonglover. That HK guy is a reporter and they called the police after the mother refused to give back the memory card. The china mother was like go ahead really loud in the video. It was a little girl not boy. It was in the whole video.

          • Kai

            Um, should I believe you or the HK police?

          • linette lee

            kai, this is how it started. You can see on this video the Hk reporters called the police trying to get the memory card back. On the video at 0:53. He said he is a reporter and please(he said please) give it back(memory card) to me, and he took out his ID. The HK guy then said you are stealing I will call the police and the mother screamed and said go ahead(報 報報!!!) At 1:15 the HK girl was on the phone calling the police saying this is Mongkok blablabla.
            The video post here on Chinasmack is after they called police and the Hk reporters trying to prevent the China parents from escaping. No need for them to scream so loud scaring the poor little girl though. Poor little girl.

            Kai, this is Mongkok. It’s a very busy place with shops and restaurants everywhere. No such thing that you can’t find a restroom. Look at all the neon signs. There are so many restaurants. The China parents don’t mind displaying their child’s private part to the public in a very busy place.

            http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/40/b3/7c/mong-kok.jpg

          • Kai

            Linette, thanks, I saw the video below just now too (I read the comments from top to bottom). I’m writing a mea culpa right now that I’ll link you to.

          • Kate

            still doesn’t make it alright for them to fucking take pictures of a little girls privates and fucking post it for the world to see

          • linette lee

            The hK people did that out of anger. That is wrong to post these photos online that is true. They did it because every time thing like this happens the China bloggers curse out the Hk folks saying the HK folks are wrong. Look at here the China folks even said the China parents used diaper. Where is the diaper? So the hk folks post these photos to show the China bloggers to see. So all these photos online are like in your face evidence.

            Anyhow, the China parents don’t seems to mind exposing their children private part to the public. Why do they mind people taking photos? People all have camera phones you know. The chance of being photographed is so extremely high.

          • Kate

            yes i know the parents are in the wrong too. but when you’re trying to convey to others that you’re more civilized, that is definitely not the way to go. and it’s one thing to go after the parents but to scare and harm the child in the process is just going too far

          • Kate

            i know the child wasn’t physically harmed but emotionally

          • linette lee

            When adults are fighting of course kids will cry. Like I said that HK girl was angry because the China father almost break the expensive camera. She was yelling for him to stop. But that HK girl should stop screaming when the father let go of the Hk guy and camera. Also the China mother she wasn’t sweet neither. She was very loud also.

            And Hk people are not trying to prove who is more civilized. They are saying it’s tiring to constantly to have to deal with this every single day and nothing can stop the CHina people. Not even fines and signs and fights and scream. It is just very tiring. Why do HK people have to deal with this everyday? Would you like it if you have to deal with all this peeing and shitting in your neighborhood every single day? You don’t find it gross and unsanitary?

          • Kai

            They have to deal with it just like bendiren have to deal with waidiren and Americans and Europeans have to deal with immigrants. Yeah, it can be tiring. I think it’s fine to consider it gross and unsanitary. I don’t think it’s fine to elevate it to bigotry and making up derogatory names for mainlanders. I don’t think it’s fine for mainlanders to use bigotry in response to HK bigotry. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Mainland failure to conform to local HK norms and rules is a failure on their part. HKers being bigoted in response is a failure on their part. As is mainlanders fighting back with their own bigotry. One doesn’t excuse the other. Would you agree this is fair?

          • linette lee

            Ok, as you and I can see there is not ending to this. Nothing works. Fighting,screaming, fines, signs….nothing works.

            At this point since 1997 til now 2014 HK and China folks still couldn’t agree on many thinks. The gap between differences in culture is just too big. So China folks need to be patient.
            The only real solution is for China folks to wait for another 40 years for all the native Hkers to die out. Hkers don’t reproduce that much anyway or they move out of HK. China folks will eventually take over HK. By then Hk will be run just like China and China folks can do whatever they want to HK. Hk will just be another province in China. The Hkers all knew this in our heart.

          • Kai

            Nah dude, I think there will be an end to this. After all, Hong Kongers had similar habits trained out of them. Mainlanders will too. Fines, signs, and even shaming will certainly work. It just may not work as fast as you want it to.

            I don’t think China folks need to be patient. They need to be more aware of some of their habits being unacceptable in HK. HK people need to be patient. They need to understand that mainlanders are often ignorant of the norms in HK.

            Ideally, HKers will be tactful in “educating” mainlanders on more “civilized behavior” while mainlanders will be eager to learn and improve. It’s arrogant HKers and arrogant mainlanders who are making things difficult for everyone else who are willing to get along.

            HK has the opportunity to be a good influence on a mainland China that hasn’t had good influences and models to emulate. True, the opening of the borders threatens to dilute HK, but so is allowing immigration in the US. Is the US worse because of allowing immigrants or is it stronger? Have immigrants made society worse or has American society made immigrants (and their children) better?

      • Dr Sun

        and you know this how ?

    • loki

      feel sorry for the poor child being raised like that. My dogs don’t piss on peoples cars, come when I call, and don’t piss and sh!t in the house.. If my Fncking dogs can be taught not to do it. Why can’t Chinese?

      Ever go into a public mens rest room, Piss and crap on the walls floor on the seats, paper with fecal matter laying in pools of urine and dirt… You telling me this is just a few people?

      • Daniel

        You are so full of shit dude! Just keep your dogs and please dont get any kids.

        • loki

          got 2 sons, both never pissed on the street, in a subway, in a restaurant, or any place public.. because they are not dogs.. GET IT ? Not dogs, why are chinese people not getting that? maybe because, well you put it together…

          Come on .. this is utter bullsh!t I have to argue with you about people pissing and sh!tting in public? lemme guess .. did your mommy teach you that it was ok to tinkle and poo in public? Fncking ass….

      • Dr Sun

        I think you should be telling this to the supreme commander, not me

    • linette lee

      How is it possible to hold a diaper and let the child pee into it without making a mess on the ground? LOL. It must be magic.

      Reading all the comments from China people, now you know what type of public manner they all have. It seems to them like it’s really really acceptable to pee and shit everywhere in the public and not wearing diapers or use the toilet. They say IT’S NORMAL TO DO SUCH.

      How can we change their behavior?

      • Dr Sun

        we can’t my darling linette, only they can.

    • loki

      Dear everyone,

      I know I have been making a lot of hard lined comments and people called me prejudice and ignorant. (etc…) Some people stand up saying its a medical problem some people defended Chinese by saying it is poverty and just having children in general. Well I can understand why you (people in general) would think that. It is nice to have hope that other human beings share the same level of civility and moral fortitude as yourselves. I also wish that were true But sadly Chinese are not there yet.

      I was browsing my facebook page and I came across this ad for the shanhaiist .. I would like to share…. its a campaign not to educate people but to go and bring children in masses to the streets of hongkong to piss..

      http://shanghaiist.com/2014/04/25/piss-gate-triggers-mainland-campaign.php

      Welcome to china…

  • mr.wiener

    Whoops here comes another ‘Mainlanders are locusts that shit in our streets!” “No you HK English bottom brown-nosers have a low character” Monkey scat fight.

    My own opinion? It is a lot of fuss over a little puddle of piddle.

    • noodles76

      That’s the thing though. If this was an exceptional event it would certainly be absurd to make a thing of it. However, it’s the norm for some folks it seems. I guess I should give credit to the mom for actually buying a diaper….but must deduct points for failing to comprehend how to use one.

      • mr.wiener

        True, but it shows how things on the street can turn on you really fast when you are from a group unpopular in that area. Mainlanders in Hong Kong “Hey there is one of those locust bastards having a shit on OUR street”. Lebanese in Australia “Hey that Lebo bastard tried to sexually assault me”…and black people, ehm…everywhere “Hey that black guy breathed”.

        • Honibaz

          Agree with the last part.

        • don mario

          don’t forget the laowais with chinese girls.. make a wrong move and prepare to have an angry mob of chinese men out for blood!

    • loki

      one kid pissing in the street not a big deal, but locusts don’t fly alone…

    • linette lee

      hahahah…..you are always so funny.

      That will be 2 millions of “little puddle of piddle” HK is like the number one tourist attraction for China folks. I think like 2 millions China visitors a year. I don’t know….but a lot. They are going to drown Hkers in urine and feces on the street. yuk….:(

      • mr.wiener

        I think this was an over reaction though. HK people should turn the aggression down a bit as:
        A. they’re not angels either [no one is]
        B. You have to learn to live with these people, and there are more of them than you.

        I really miss Dim Mak’s comments.

        • RTV_Mutant_st

          can I piss all over your house too?

          • mr.wiener

            Then you will be given a wetex to clean it up with and politely but firmly shown to the door.

    • angry laowai

      the problem is…its not just one event, it happens daily in HK….because mainlanders don’t see a problem with making the streets filthy. I live in china and i see it all the time! my advice….don’t walk in some bushes because they are probably full of human turds!

      • mr.wiener

        You know for a fact all those people pissing in the streets are mainlanders?

        • ex-expat

          How much time have you spent on the mainland? People relieving themselves on the street is both a common occurrence and common knowledge.

          • mr.wiener

            I was referring to the people he had seen defecating in the streets in HK.
            I’m well aware people do this on the mainland, but I’d hardly call it the majority of people.
            I’m now living in China lite.[Taiwan] it is very nice here after the years I spent in the fluffy navel of the middle kingdom :)

          • ex-expat

            Right…though despite the old saying about assumptions, presuming a child defecating on the streets of Hong Kong to be from the mainland is pretty safe.

            I would agree that it is not a majority, though enough that I would see children doing some sort of public relief almost daily.

            I have never been to Taiwan, though I would love to visit sometime. I imagine it is far better than life on the mainland. I am enjoying my time in Australia right now.

          • Dr Sun

            ” china lite”, ” The fluffy navel ” damn and we thought Kai had the honey tongue, LOL
            Guess I’d never make it as a mod.

  • IsurvivedChina

    It never ceases to amaze me that the Chinese government could convince a billion people that communism was the right form of government for them but they couldn’t teach them to use a toilet properly!

    • Dr Sun

      well the consequences for not “believing” were very intense often leading to death.
      Using public toilets in much of China is a fate worse than death, but then you would know that if you had ever lived in China.

      • IsurvivedChina

        oh I have seen firsthand the shit holes that pass for toilets, no pun intended! LOL

      • don mario

        it’s true. using the toilet in china is traumatising.

        first there is the smell of piss and shit on used toilet paper in the toilet bin that you can smell miles off.. then there are the other people chatting on the phone to put you off.. then there is the one time i used a public toilet and i couldn’t go because every toilet was full of shit as if somebody just had a shit fight in there..

        • Jahar

          I want to know how the toilets can become so horrifying.

          • don mario

            because its hell.

    • Insomnicide

      It’s not hard to convince people that communism is better when the alternatives were warlordism and kleptocratic capitalist oligarchy.

      • IsurvivedChina

        Who are you kidding, I see you know how to use a dictionary but did you even stop to check out the words and their meanings before you chose to use them. The CCP is the biggest oligarchy kleptocratic movement in Chinese history who just happened to embrace capitalism.

        The fact that China was on it’s way to becoming a modern country with freedom and democracy way back before the communists decided to steal power and thus push China back into the dark ages is a commonly known fact to the rest of the world.

        The corruption of the elitist wealthy combined with a xenophobic view of the world has done no favours for China however getting back to my original point, how is it that the central government could not teach it’s own people basic hygiene? Using a toilet is common trait for most people and yet more often than not this kind of story seems to find itself on the web and thus the world laughs at China’s greatness!

        • Zappa Frank

          I think is not hard to convince a farm-country, really poor, that communist is the right choice if it implies a redistribution of richness and lands.. Actually is not so different than what happened in Russia. They were on the good way, but for who? for a few rich people who live in cities while the majority of population were living in countryside and cannot understand why all of the sudden someone would ask them to chose? The democracy cannot be imposed by an intellectual minority..

          • IsurvivedChina

            still doesn’t change the fact that their shaming themselves in public when they allow this kind of stuff to happen. It would not be beyond the power of the government to implement changes and education on such. Maybe the Chengguan could be interested to in force the law!

          • Zappa Frank

            at least that one was a child.. in the mainland is not rare to see adults to pee on the streets.
            but again, we should not forgot the situation they were not long time ago, farmers, almost all of them. this is not something that change in a day, even more because with communism they got a cultural refuse of all that was considered part of the upper class, including good manners. It will take some time to get it back.

          • IsurvivedChina

            that’s a lame excuse –

  • YourSupremeCommander

    So a dog can shit and piss on HK streets, but not a human child, with the mother catching with a diaper?!

    If I was the dad I would have kicked the shit out of those two skinny fuckers. Unbelievable UK brown noser (credit to weiner) with nothing better to do.

    • mr.wiener

      Don’t blame me. It is the normal accusation thrown back and forth when ever we get one of these Honkey/Mainlander stories.

  • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

    seriosuly?

  • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

    these honkgers are literlliy assholes. i think although it’s wrong to do that in public but it’s a kid and they couldn’t seem to find a toilet.

    • IsurvivedChina

      Hong Kong is full of toilets, all they had to do was ask!

      • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

        how would you know?

        • IsurvivedChina

          seriously?

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            how would know you what exactly had happened?

          • IsurvivedChina

            you sound like this has never happened before?

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            “香港人都狗“ 孔庆东 ”都他妈的欠抽“ +1 CNM

          • IsurvivedChina

            have the courage to call them dogs in English would you!

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            怎么样? 用谷歌翻译翻出来的? do you know what a qouation mark is 洋垃圾 。 ”香港人都是狗“ 孔庆东

          • IsurvivedChina

            you call me white trash… thats funny!

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            测试一下你的中文程度一下 你的IQ一直都真么操逼么锭、?

          • IsurvivedChina

            nothing wrong with my IQ, but your transcribing chinese on an English website,.. that like writing english on QQ

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            well it’s freedom if you can be in china i can type in chinese

          • IsurvivedChina

            of course.. but it kind of misses the point a little!

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            what’s profi in chinese, just curious?

          • IsurvivedChina

            google it.

          • donscarletti

            “测试一下你的中文程度一下 你的IQ一直都真么操逼么锭”-如果你想中考考过就少上论坛多学写作。

          • IsurvivedChina

            do you know what a serendipitous dexterity is?

          • donscarletti

            Ah yes, Kong Qingdong, upholding the legacy of both Confucius and Peking university with his enlightened discourse.

  • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

    ”香港人都狗“ 孔庆东 +1骂得好

    • mr.wiener

      Nice avatar….

      • IsurvivedChina

        I was thinking the same thing, didn’t know whether to debate to gawk!

      • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

        so random

        • mr.wiener

          No, they all seem fairly….symmetrical.

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            i love girls, problem?

          • mr.wiener

            Whatever floats your boat.

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            you love wieners i guess?

          • IsurvivedChina

            We’ve got a live one here!

          • mr.wiener

            It’s a living. I’m a sausage [chorizo] maker, hence my wealth of knowledge about China.

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            so you make sausages in china? are you one of the owner of this fablous website?

          • mr.wiener

            Moderator , i clean the toilets.

          • IsurvivedChina

            LOL

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            nice, good luck in training

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            you make sausages in china, tell me more about your story. i am intrigged

          • IsurvivedChina

            intrigged? wtf

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            you got a problem man?

          • IsurvivedChina

            no not all, love the work keep it up!

          • mr.wiener

            China lite, Taiwan, Yes i make sausages and i’m late for rugby training, night all, play nice.

    • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

      how do you feel about public breast feeding….with grown men?

      • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

        我怎么想么?

        • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

          我很富有….和我的妻子有小乳房…请帮我

          • Francisco De Vitoria (Chinese)

            你不是中国人

          • http://shanghaiist.com/ The FRED FONG

            谢谢你的夸奖

          • mr.wiener

            It took you that long to figure that out?

          • IsurvivedChina

            the jury is out on you being chinese as well!

          • mr.wiener

            But we do know they are a boob.

          • donscarletti

            If he is Chinese, his level of fluency in his own language would be somewhat disappointing for a primary school student.

            It somewhat makes sense, most redneck douchebags in the states can’t read/write English properly either.

  • timothy235

    When you gotta go you gotta go. You can’t expect children not to have accidents. Seems like the mother handled it well. The only ones at fault here are the ones who prevented the family from leaving.

  • Free Man

    Because 2) requires to change diapers frequently.

    But to be fair: I was “lucky” a couple of times and my son just started peeing when I just took off his old diaper and before I could replace it with a new one.

    One time this even happened in a public swimming pool and then I also just tried to catch the pee with the new diaper. And there were other people looking in a disgusted way mumbling something like “foreigners …”.

    • Rick in China

      Your explanation of 2 is ridiculous.

      If baby pees in 4 hour intervals, baby pees in 4 hour intervals. You change the diaper in 4 hour intervals. The option is to not wear a diaper. The result is baby peeing on the street.

      I don’t get why “well if baby WEARS it, means we have to CHANGE it” makes any sense? That’s like saying – if I WEAR my underwear today, I have to CHANGE my underwear tomorrow, solution: no underwear, ever. Works yeah? Until you get shit stained jeans.

      • Free Man

        If you pee in frequent intervals according to schedule, you are a machine (maybe you even don’t need a clock anymore). Well, I am not like this. My son doesn’t have a fixed schedule either, nor does he always shit at the same time, sometimes even not for days.

        • Rick in China

          My baby pees once every 3-4 hours. Maybe it’s not peeing exactly at the same time, BUT, it’s within a pretty small time window – and we pay attention and learn that in order to know when we should ideally change diapers and keep baby dry. Shitting far different. Either way, the point I am making is, the baby pees when the baby pees and you have to either change the diaper or catch it in a fuckin’ diaper, so put the diaper on.

          I’m very skeptical whether she was holding a diaper anyways, in the vids I see, at best, I can see 1 flash of 1 second where she has something white in her hand, but it doesn’t look diaper sized.

          • noodles76

            Every kid is different. I could set my watch by when my daughter takes a shit but she pees randomly. Somebody is always shoving water down her mouth. I’m not arguing with anything you said really just keep in mind kids are not the same.

          • Rick in China

            I understand that — I guess my point is, it doesn’t matter how frequently one pees, you put a diaper on, the alternative is having pee come out when you don’t want it where you don’t want it. There’s no logic to knowing you will need a diaper – so carrying one – but not putting it on the child in public.

          • noodles76

            Agree. Definitely agree.

          • Free Man

            As it has been pointed out already the parents in question didn’t try to put on a diaper (which was what I’d initially thought) and the girl was taking a dump instead of just pissing, so I guess this discussion isn’t really topic-related anymore. And since you don’t seem (or even try) to get my point its fruitless to continue anyway.

            By the way, exactly the same story happened today right in front of the food stall where I was having my breakfast. Some “lady” held her girl and did let her take a dump! The toilet paper ended right next to the heap, though a trash bin was less than 5 meters away. I was upset, too, mainly because nobody but me cared. Seems like karma for defending such people. Next time I will immediately start bashing mainlanders again, instead of trying to understand or show empathy.

      • Dr Sun

        thats why you see young kids in china with crotchless clothes.. no skid marks , no pee stains

  • http://mykafkaesquelife.blogspot.com/ Taiwan Explorer

    The street mob went too far here. She’s just a little girl, it’s not her fault that the parents let her go on the street, she doesn’t deserve a forest of cameras taking photos of her. I understand that Hong Kongers have tons of reasons to be mad at their Mainland brothers, but don’t let it out on an innocent child! Show some balls, do it Taiwan style, and occupy the parliament!

  • Free Man

    Anyone having kids should know that sometimes you HAVE TO change diapers. This can happen in a plane, a train, in a shopping mall. Well, I care more for my son than for people feeling disgusted by me changing his diapers in public.

    Also, anyone having kids might experienced his kid peeing right in the middle of replacing diapers. What do you do? I try and catch the pee with the new diaper.

    Usually I agree on a general lack of education of most mainlanders. But this time I can’t see anything wrong with the parents here.

  • Rick in China

    Anyone notice the father holding the baby in the youku video, at 2:15, looks like he’s kinda tossing his baby at the dude – WTF?

    • KamikaziPilot

      Haha, that was kind of funny. It doesn’t look like the baby was squirming to initiate it either. The father just spontaneously started lunging his baby, like the baby was a weapon or something.

  • don mario

    just potty train your kids, whats the big deal.

  • loki

    I was driving in downtown nanjing last week . telling my friend how I feel about chinese people in general. He asked me why I have such strong feelings about them. I then pointed to a guy letting his 6 or 7 years old girl (she had grade school clothes on) drop her pants and Poo’d right in the middle of the main road pack with cars waiting for the red light…

    I simply looked at him and said “you were saying ? ”

    This happens all the time, like animals pissing pooing spitting whereever they please. Come to America and do that . oh god please I dare you to do that … please piss in public… HAHA ….

    • YourSupremeCommander

      If the country and its people are so BAD, why the FUCK are you there?

      Put down that keyboard because whatever you say will make it worse for you, trust me.

      LAMO, now go mop my floor son.

    • Pako-chan

      i lived in nyc, people piss everywhere. i had a friend who poo’ed in the center of a park. if you get caught by the police you’ll be written up for disorderly conduct… nothing serious.

      not to mention, dogs and animals can piss anywhere they want and no one clean it up (unless it’s indoor). how is that any different from human piss?

      like another commenter posted “if you gotta go, you gotta go.”

      • Waiguoren

        C’mon, “People piss everywhere” in nyc? All things are relative. I’ve spent about equal time living in U.S. metropolises and China’s mega cities, and there is WAAAY more public urination going on in China — not just Saturday night drunks. Even many of the taxi cab drivers get out mid-cab ride to urinate in broad day light in front of their passengers. It’s a ‘WTF moment’ when that happens.

        • Pako-chan

          i’ve lived 18 years in nyc, i’m not exaggerating when i said that.

        • Kai

          Yeah, things are relative. There’s more public urination in China and its mega cities than American metropolises. This isn’t to say the amount in American metropolises might not be notable for Pako-chan. It also has to be factored in that there a helluva lot more population in China’s mega cities compared to US metropolises AND that Chinese society is still relatively backwards with many people being from rural areas and impoverished areas. The US has already gone through industrialization and modernization as well as urbanization, while China is still going through it. It’s a little unfair to expect the same habits and norms between the two populations.

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        We hold humans to a different standard to animals.

        “i had a friend who poo’ed in the center of a park.” – Did you friend poo out in front of people and the whole world to see or did he find some dark or out of the way place to do it? I’d assume the latter, if I wasn’t thinking you were bullshitting.

        • Pako-chan

          my friend have no shame, he masturbate in class during class… and yes he took a shit at night in an open view park. imagine taking a shit on a pitcher’s base on a baseball field with benches going from home full circle.

          you say we have a different standard than animals and yet we’re worser than animals, we destroy our own environment, we kill each other for petty ideals.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            So your friend is not the norm or general.

            We do hold different standards for humans and animals. We can be worse than animals, yes. We can also be better. If a tiger kills another tiger, we say it is nature. When a person kills another person, we say it’s murder (generally speaking). So this point is irrelevent.

            Or are you saying Mainland Chinese people are comparable to animals/weirdos/drunk people?

          • Pako-chan

            for a delinquent that’s pretty normal. just to prove they have the balls to do it. then again what’s “normal” and “general” in your expectation may not be the same for everyone else.

            i’m not comparing them to animals, weirdos, and drunk. when i referenced dog pissing all i’m saying is does human piss contain high and dangerous toxic? that we don’t say anything about a dog pissing but a human “oh no we can’t have that…” but it’s basically just moral standards.

            every one of us here would piss along side a road if we had to go while driving down an unknown empty road for miles and not knowing when the next restroom will be. don’t believe that those that do it behind a bush or out in public is any different other than embarrassment.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Yes, it is basic moral standards and hygeiene. Whether dogs piss contains chemicals or high toxins isn’t really a point or reference to make. Again it is irrelevent.

            And for delinquents, well they aren’t the norm. In my school days I knew a student who took a shit in a lecture hall. He was not the norm and people really didn’t like what he did. He was referred to as ‘Fish’ on the count of his face looking like one. He wasn’t respected and made a figure of fun by the other delinquents for such an action.

            Now the example you used here “every one of us here would piss along side a road if we had to go while driving down an unknown empty road for miles” – yes, as it isn’t in front of people is it? and a rest room isn’t around, right? But you think that “behind a bush or out in public” isn’t different? Each country has it’s culture and norms. We call it common decency. It is why you can get fined for being caught doing it in certain countries.

            In the past, people would piss/shit in public – even greeting each other while they were doing their business. They would shit near where they ate – we know that isn’t a good thing. They wouldn’t wash as often. One would think the more we know the better we be. Sadly not everyone has caught up.

          • nickhz

            your friend is sick. there are sick people everywhere. but this is not what we are discussing, we are discussing the normal everyday happenings

  • Markus Peg

    The comments all claim the full video can be seen on youtube which shows the child pissed into a nappy and not the floor… Quoting a blocked website for the full story seems that many Chinese will just have to believe that without seeing it.
    Where is the link to the so called full video? Either way, not using the toilet at that age is not nice to see on the street. This applies to any race, but Chinese must be twice as careful considering its relationship with HK, plus lets say 1/10 people from the US would do that (for example) population wise and the amount of visitors from China make it that more likely for it to be a mainlander.

    I am sick of these stories, this is not good for Mainland/Hong Kong relations and something needs to be done about these kinds of stories, it is creating fires on both sides, the mainlanders are getting angry at HK people and the HK people are getting fed up with uncivilized actions/mainlanders. These misunderstandings need to be cleared up ASAP to avoid these situations. Many mainlanders do not know that these kinds of actions are considered uncivilized.

    This video got out of control though, the woman could have just apologized and explained rather than complained and the others could have said we understand but that is not the way we do it here, please try to respect our local culture. But, instead both sides made a mountain out of a molehill… [making a small issue into something bigger than it really is]

    • Honibaz

      Hong Kongers are very stress-filled people. Their intense attitude towards work causes them be be irritated very easily, even if the event that caused them to flip off is very, very minor. Compound this with the majority of Mainlanders not sharing the same values as Hong Kongers, as well as economic competition between the two groups, and you’ll have constant intra-ethnic clashing in the metropolis.

  • Irvin

    When you gotta go you gotta go.

  • Guest

    chinese vs chinese.

  • Freddi BuBu

    I would think that Hong Kongers have already gotten used to mainlanders squatting and taking dumps in the middle of the street……

  • WFH

    1) why are the mainlanders so unapologetic for this behavior? Instead they seem to want to justify it by comparing it to drunk laowais pissing in LKF??

    2) Hongkongers need to stop sucking laowai dick and show the same intolerance for similar bullshit

    • donscarletti

      I had no idea that foreigners were able to urinate on Hong Kong streets without consequence. I had never got the impression that I was allowed to do that during previous visits to HK, is it a new policy?

      • JankyFosci

        Depends on where you hang out. I’ve seen drunk, pissing, vomiting laowais in HK (and back in Canada). People usually just laugh at them. Show me a video of a HKer stopping a foreigner from being lewd.

        • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

          As you said, it depends on where you are.

          I have seen drunk people piss and shit when I worked as a night guard while I was studying. Most of the time they’d find some darken ally or a corner, something a little out of the way.

          Now, I can’t say about drunken foreigners in HK. I’ve not come across any drunk pissing in public ones. But I have seen Chinese, in China, who have their kids piss/shit in public, in the middle of the road or pavement/sidewalk while a toilet is a few steps away with no queue. And not just once.

          • JankyFosci

            Location can be anywhere downtown in a metropolitan or any college town. In full view some days. I’m not a night guard. Just a regular citizen too ;)

            And I don’t even live in HK but visited there for a few weeks. Took advantage of the night life. Saw a few pissing foreigners. Didn’t see a mob harrass them though. Funny that.

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I’ll have to take your word on it, as I’ve not come across the same.

            I guess the issue is people are comparing a normal Mainland Chinese behaviour (it happens often enough to generalise) to what drunk people do.

      • DC

        A new policy that allows people to piss in public?? haha.. of course not…silly…you must not get out very much

  • Gavin Wong

    Internet warriors are fighting against a two-year girl lmao get your fat asses move to be more useful to the society

    • Yes!

      LOL. Come on, this is no longer about a two-year girl. This is about mainlander mentality, and it’s not an isolated incident at that. If you let this happen without intervention, HK streets would quickly become public shithole for mainlanders.

  • don mario

    just watched the video… whats up with those kids? acting like tough guys by pulling on a woman -with childs pram? seriously? wtf? i thought hong kong was the land of badasses like bruce lee and drunken master jackie chan.. the pussiness on display here is really shameful.

    yea its wrong…so take a photo of it, post it online. even give the parent’s a bit of a telling off and tell them thats not acceptable in hong kong if you like.. but this? its madness.

    if these guys really want to be tough guy toilet warriors they need to take a trip to the mainland. there is much work to be done there.. they can try this stuff on full grown adults pooping in the street, seems much fairer than this.

    • HongKonger

      Because of what the parents did before the above video was filmed…

      • don mario

        yea, its not right i agree 100%. but these hong kong guys still came off as the bigger pussys.

        taking photos of another mans child pissing from close range and then hanging around is very weird behaviour. they can just get the evidence and move a long. but these guys decided to stay and bully and they seemed perfectly happy with bringing a child to tears.

        i think we all know what is going on here. these hong kongers are frustrated with the chinese government so they are taking their frustrations out on these mainlanders when they slip up. they were definitely in the wrong but not to the point of deserving large scale bullying. its a cowardly way to act. hong kongers, grow some balls and take out your frustrations on the chinese government if you are not happy with what is happening to your country and the mainland ‘locust’ invasion. otherwise you are no better than the mainlanders who take out their frustration on japan or malaysia instead of their own government.

        • linette lee

          1)The reason why the HK guys held onto the stroller and refused to let the China parents leave was because they took his camera’s memory card. The HK guys they are reporters, they were probably just doing the usual taking photos of HK streets. So he saw a little girl shitting he just took a photo. It is very common China folks shit and pee everywhere in HK nothing special about it. If the China folks don’t like that why shitting in the open public, people have camera phones you know. The China father attacked the HK guys first by trying to grab his camera. The mother took the memory card and refused to give it back. So the HK guys called the HK police.

          2)HK gov’t is doing their job. There are many signs everywhere saying no public urination and defecation. It is against the law. They can be fined lots of money. The only time the China folks get a ticket is when HK people complain. So with this photo of evidence the HK police can fine the China parents.

          And I have to say since it is an everyday thing that China folks pee and shit in HK public, and only a few incidents of fights and HK police involved, Hk people have very high tolerance. If this happens in the western countries, the China tourists will get beat up. I don’t think the western folks can deal with their public shitting and peeing daily on their lands.

          • don mario

            so why doesnt the guy just leave it in the hands of the law? they got photos of it. even if he had his card stolen, look at all the people bullying in the crowd taking photos and video. but this guy chose to distress a child and swing around her pram. that is pussy behaviour to the max.

            yea i get it that its everyday, and you know whose fault it is ? mainlanders? no. its the chinese governments fault. they are who you need to direct your anger at because mainland ‘locusts’ are going to be filling up hong kong streets with more and more poop like its not even a thing.

          • linette lee

            I didn’t see other HK folks bullying the parents. They stood there to watch the fight and some took videos. The HK reporters all they did was held onto the stroller. They didn’t hit the parents. It was the father who got physical first touching and grabbing the HK guy’s camera and his body. They had a verbal fight after that. Unfortunately all this scared that poor little girl.

          • don mario

            standing, watching and filming in a mass crowd while a baby is brought to tears is pretty much bullying. and what about that yelling girl?? hard to miss her.

          • linette lee

            Yes, the hK girl she was a bit too much but so was the mother. They had a really loud verbal fight. That Hk girl started to scream saying “don’t touch his camera. It is very expensive!! Let go. Let go!” She was really angry when the father almost break the hk reporter’s camera. But afterward she should just calm down. I don’t agree with that HK girl screaming like that in front of that crying little girl.

  • http://yoursexycousinrex.tumblr.com/ Your Sexy Cousin Rex

    Can Chinese people NOT piss in public holy

  • Stefan Xu

    What’s wrong if a child piss in public?

    • hess

      Seriöst? Det är ett problem när föräldrarna låter en unge pissa(den här sket dock) mitt på gatan.

  • JankyFosci

    Starting a fight and terrorizing a child over peeing in the street in the name of civility. Ironic.

  • JankyFosci

    It’s funny because Hong Kongers openly let their dogs shit on the street without picking them up yet when a child does it, they decide to frighten a little girl over it. What a bunch of morons.

    • Jahar

      Because all children should behave as dogs?

      • JankyFosci

        It’s called pointing out a double standard. Why harrass a child over it but let their own dogs do it all the time? A bit strange, no? Young children can have less control than well-trained dogs, Chinese or not. Some children have to take medications for it even!

        • Jahar

          dogs and children should be held to the same standard?

          • JankyFosci

            Um… YES. Why the hell should dog shit be allowed on sidewalks when human shit causes a near riot?

          • Jahar

            I don’t think you know what you are saying. Dogs are dogs. They do what animals do. People should be held to a much higher standard. Unless it’s okay for your kid to drink out of the toilet and eat garbage.

          • JankyFosci

            Are those dogs wild? Or are they domesticated by a HUMAN owner that is supposed to pick up the shit after the dog shits it out? How often does a HK owner pick up that shit. Are HK dog owners wild beasts too? Simple questions buddy.

          • Jahar

            If you want to hold your children to the standard of dogs, that’s fine, but I think we should behave better than that.

  • Waiguoren

    Man, I was on a bus from HK to Shenzhen in 2010, and some mainlander had her little girl piss in a plastic bag (i’m sure that was 100% accurate) and then went up to the front of the bus where the shocked driver opened the door as we sped down an HK highway so she could throw it out on the street. Pretty sure the side of the bus ended up covered in urine. Oh China…

  • mckenz

    It’s one thing that they let their child release herself in public and whether or not the mother should’ve put the nappy ON her, but another thing for that man to take photos of the little girl’s private parts when she had her pants down. That’s just perverted – even if the photos were to be used to prove a point, and any father would’ve wanted them deleted.
    Granted there could have been a more “civilised” solution to the peepee problem on the parents’ part, but so could there have been a more “civilised” handling of the situation by the locals. Invoking stereotypes and attempts at occupying the moral high ground that ultimately point to hypocrisy certainly did not help.

  • KamikaziPilot

    I’m not clear who started getting physical first but there’s no need for that, especially with something as petty as this. Urinating into a diaper is acceptable IMO if it’s an emergency. People have a right to take pictures but not to prevent you from leaving by grabbing onto your stroller. Preventing the couple from leaving while they hold their kid in their arms is chickenshit. They knew the couple wouldn’t get physical with their kid and being outnumbered so they felt free to do what they did. Unless the couple physically assaulted one of the HKers just say your piece and let it go. In this particular case I side with the mainland couple. If it was a fellow HKer would they have had the same reaction?

    • linette lee

      KamikaziPilot, hello there. Long time no talk.

      They were saying the mother was holding the diaper while the child pee into it……but use your common sense, how is it possible to pee like that without messing up the ground? The proper way to use diaper without urine leaking out is to wear it. And why subject your child to such public embarrassment peeing in front of public strangers. The pedestrians video taped them and the father got physically violent. You can’t physically assault pedestrians without consequence in HK. Maybe in China, but not in HK.
      Also there is no such thing as no restroom available in HK. Restaurants everywhere. Shopping malls and public restrooms everywhere. It’s very very accessible. But 99% of the time even if there is a restroom next to them they don’t want to walk, they just pee or shit on the street, subways, or inside the shopping mall. You will see many public signs saying no peeing or shitting in this area. I am not joking.
      Anyway the HK people are used to this. It is like this all the time with China people.

      http://i.ytimg.com/vi/VXq7FUZdlPs/0.jpg

      • Kate

        while i agree the mother was not in the right, there was no need to be physical and shout in front of a child. there was also no need for such a large crowd to form. also, the HKers were no better than the mother when they took pics/videos of a half naked child and posted it on the web

      • KamikaziPilot

        Hi Linette. Whether the ground gets dirty or not is irrelevant, it’s the attempt to keep it as clean as possible which shows the mother at least knows it’s wrong to pee on the pavement so she’s trying her best to catch the pee. The availability of restrooms is a minor point as the child could have had to go immediately and it takes a few minutes to find a restroom. We don’t know all the details.

        Anyways I saw the additional video posted by another poster and I saw the father and mother physically accost the guy with the camera. They didn’t have a right to do that so I’d say they’re in the wrong for trying to take away the camera. People have a right to take videos in public and you don’t have a right to take their camera away. When I saw the additional video of how the whole thing started I now think both parties are idiots and assholes and I despise both of them. This is nationalism being carried way too far over something as petty as a child needing to pee. I really hate when Chinese people get mad because they mainly only yell at the top of their lungs until they run out of breath, which is a long time. Whoever yells loudest wins. Really irritating, I’d rather see a fistfight then screaming like there’s no tomorrow.

  • Zen my Ass

    There are simply no excuses for her bad manners and poor education: she could have get into a restaurant or cafeteria (I bet there are quite a few in HK) and ask politely to use their restroom… Nobody in the world would have denied the poor girl the right to urinate. Thinking and asking are two features mainlanders are not acquainted to.

    • KamikaziPilot

      I don’t have kids but I think sometimes you really have no warning on whether or not they need to unload. Besides at least the mother tried to keep it clean by using a diaper. It doesn’t justify the HKers physically preventing the couple from leaving. Bunch of insecure cowards with nothing better to do than demonize mainlanders, which in this case was not deserved.

      • Zen my Ass

        Sorry, but I disagree: if the mother had a diaper, why wasn’t the girl wear it? If she still needs to use it, then she should just use it, especially if she is going out for a long time. HKers might be a little prejudiced against mainlanders, but the latter must understand they are not in the countryside anymore.

        • Kate

          the girl was probably being potty trained and the mother brought the diaper as a just in case. but if she had the diaper and couldn’t find a restroom, she should have made her daughter wear it instead of catching the urine w the diaper.

    • linette lee

      Also if you can’t use it for free then all you have to do is buy a piece of bread or coffee. Your whole family can use the bathroom in the restaurant and there are restaurants everywhere.

  • cb4242

    Im not going to make ANY excuses for the woman, there are a lot of things she could have done, find a local restaurant or go behind a building, I understand things can happen with kids, I have my own, but the problem is, many Chinese people think that the country is one giant toilet which is disgusting and also, I don’t understand why Chinese have to make a giant spectacle of EVERYTHING, I thought it was overkill and just a warning short rant would have been efficient enough. But forming a crowd of 100 people, come on now!

    • KamikaziPilot

      Probably boredom and insecurity. Everytime I go to China I probably start yelling out of frustration in public on average at least once due to bullshit like what just happened in the video. One time even caused my Chinese in laws to get into a fight because the guy behind us thought we were taking too long. I’d never live in China, I’d go crazy if I did.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Did she catch it in the diaper or not?

  • HongKonger

    This is what happened before the above video was filmed. The Chinese parents were trying to take the phone off the bloke who photographed the parents helping their child defecate.

    • linette lee

      The mother also took the memory card of his camera and refused to return it. The HK guy said give it back or I’ll have to call the police but she didn’t. The HK guy said he is a reporter from a HK magazine.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Thanks for the video. Now that we have more information I think they’re both idiots not to mention really pathetic. What a pathetic move by the mom at around the :10 mark. You can’t expect to lay your hands on someone and get away with it.

  • Barbara

    would like to start of with i do not live in hk or mainland china i live in Australia
    and in Australia, Australia white people see only Asian no difference in the 2.

    i have Hk friends and mainland Chinese friends.

    i love hong kong fav city in ‘CHINA’ and i also like mainland
    china it is very different. but i find it hilarious how Hong Konger’s are so
    raciest against their ancestors. Im assuming most of the people from Hong kong originally
    came from people who passed the border they aren’t their own breed of people.

    if it weren’t for the mainland chinese people the Hongkong
    economy wouldn’t still be okay currently. i feel like the hong kongers funny enough
    are the uneducated cousin that bite the hand that feeds them china is so much
    more economically free now days, which means no more need of hong kong. its
    just a novelty and if they get harassed like this why would mainlanders spend
    their money there anymore.

    i dont have children but ive looked after countless cousins,
    would you have rather the kid peed its pant?. i can understand why she would
    have a nappy and not use it if they were potty training. i would use it in case
    of an emergency like going on a plane or sleeping.

    Hong kongers need to get over themselves, you can protest you
    can shout and hold you head up high but you will still be the sales people
    serving the mainland chinese the business people entertaining chinese
    mainlanders to get investments the street cleaners, cleaning up after the
    mainland chinese.

    Why
    cant they get along, you don’t hear mainlanders harassing hong kong people, I personally
    think there are all types of people in the world china isn’t as advance as hong
    kong and in Australia a lot of Australian look down at the hong kongers in
    their stained aprons sitting down an alleyway smoking and spitting yet we don’t
    tell them to get the fuck out, maybe hong kong needs a dose of their own
    medicine.

  • Dick Leigh

    I think it’s weird that a common counter-argument above is “it’s okay when drunk foreigners do it!”.

    Uhhh, no it’s not okay but who’s going to try and stop a drunk guy from peeing wherever he wants? I mean, in China I saw drunk Chinese students peeing while FACING the road (I saw it come out so I was utterly traumatized) which I’ve never seen EVER in any Western country, but I wasn’t about to go up to him and ask him to stop.

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      We are told (by people trying to deflect) dogs and animals do it. We’re told drunk white people do it. So a sober Chinese person is being compared to animals and drunk people. Do they really not see what they are doing there?

  • Barbara

    I
    would like to start of with i do not live in hk or mainland china i live in Australia
    and in Australia, Australia white people see only Asian no difference in the 2.

    i have Hk friends and mainland Chinese friends.

    i love hong kong fav city in ‘CHINA’ and i also like mainland
    china it is very different. but i find it hilarious how Hong Konger’s are so
    raciest against their ancestors. Im assuming most of the people from Hong kong originally
    came from people who passed the border they aren’t their own breed of people.

    if it weren’t for the mainland chinese people the Hongkong
    economy wouldn’t still be okay currently. i feel like the hong kongers funny enough
    are the uneducated cousin that bite the hand that feeds them china is so much
    more economically free now days, which means no more need of hong kong. its
    just a novelty and if they get harassed like this why would mainlanders spend
    their money there anymore.

    i dont have children but ive looked after countless cousins,
    would you have rather the kid peed its pant?. i can understand why she would
    have a nappy and not use it if they were potty training. i would use it in case
    of an emergency like going on a plane or sleeping.

    Hong kongers need to get over themselves, you can protest you
    can shout and hold you head up high but you will still be the sales people
    serving the mainland chinese the business people entertaining chinese
    mainlanders to get investments the street cleaners, cleaning up after the
    mainland chinese.

    Why
    cant they get along, you don’t hear mainlanders harassing hong kong people, I personally
    think there are all types of people in the world china isn’t as advance as hong
    kong and in Australia a lot of Australian look down at the hong kongers in
    their stained aprons sitting down an alleyway smoking and spitting yet we don’t
    tell them to get the fuck out, maybe hong kong needs a dose of their own
    medicine.

    • linette lee

      Dear Barbara,

      Your typical China Chinese thinking is the reason why HK and China folks can’t get along. I won’t waste my time to explain to another person who has China Chinese mentality.

      Sincerely
      Linette Lee

      Waiting on line like a normal human being is not considered normal behavior to the China Chinese neither. I guess they are used to line cutting or buy their way to the front of line. Can’t do that in HK.

      • Barbara

        Hi Linette

        Im not Chinese i believe my mentality is just an Australian
        looking over the the whole situation.
        it is to the chinese are notorious for
        not waiting in line and pushing in both people from hong kong and mainland Chinese.
        Mostly new to australia.

        • linette lee

          Apparently you’ve never really met a real HK person. I’ve met many China Chinese here overseas and they will tell me they are from HK but it turns out they are Mainland Chinese but lived in HK a few years. 99% of real HK people understand simple manners such as not peeing in public or cutting in front of line because they were born and grew up in HK grew up under HK education and gov’t system. The next time you meet a HK person in Australia go ask them which HK hospital were they born in. What is the name of HK kindergarten, Hk elementary school, and HK high school they studied in. If they can’t answer then they are China Chinese claimed to be HKers. It does make a different what kind of education and gov’t system a person grew up under. Their philosophy and behavior are influenced by it.
          There aren’t that many HK folks compared to Mainland Chinese in the world. You are talking about probably 95:5 ratio Cn/HK outside in western countries or maybe even less.

          I get that a lot too. Most of the Chinese here tell me they are from HK. They ask me all kinds of questions what I do in Hk. I ask them which Hk schools they studied in but they can never give me a direct answer. Oh well.

          • Barbara

            i understand, but i am talking about hong kong people who are not even first generation hong kong people i can assure you there are rude people in all countries and i think of chinese (mainlanders) as rude, but i also met my fair share of hong kongers that are rude as well, i dont think anyone would agree that 99% of hongkongers are nice polite people. otherwise their would be studies and everyone would want to know the secret to world peace from hong kong.

            Hong Kong was made in the image of england and england doesnt have 99% nice polite people nor does australia.

            im just saying their are 2 sides to all storiess but you seem really blinded by hatered and the fact that you think hong kong people cant do wrong. The fact is it is wrong what they are doing, but because both parties are chinese the rest of the world doesnt care but if it was lets say white and black then that would be a bigger story.

            Can you imagine a bunch of white folk chanting
            go back to your own country to a bunch of black people instant world news.

          • linette lee

            I don’t think you understand why China and HK folks are fighting over this. HK is flooded with China tourists who believe it is not necessary to follow HK laws and regulations. Such as no eating on subways dropping foods on the floor everywhere(keep it clean to prevent roaches and mice, Hk is congested enough no need more pest.) It is against the law in HK to litter, public defecation or urination. There are warning signs everywhere you can get fined thousands of dollars for it(That is probably why the China parents attacked the HK guy to get the memory card and refused to give it back). When they go to amusement park they cut line and that’s against park regulation and policy.
            Basically they don’t follow any HK laws or regulation. And no, I don’t think Hk people are better. There are a55holes in every country. There are plenty of rude nasty uneducated HK folks. But for most I have to say I do see difference in their mentality and philosophy even in the educated China folks. I mean just read the China bloggers how they are saying it’s normal to urinate and defecate in the public. Okay to litter and eat in no eating area. Whatever…..

    • dag

      Barbara

      Before you run on about how HK people should not “bite the hand that feeds them,” you should learn some history.

      Hong Kong was the backdoor that allowed the PRC to exist. The PRC was cut off from technical, scientific, industrial, and even military items from the West. HK was the only access these items had to be smuggled in.

      HK helped the PRC to survive. Maybe that was good or bad, but the mainland cannot look down on HK.

      • Yes!

        Many commenters bring up the “HK economy would shrivel if not for mainlanders” but forgot how Hongkong, Taiwan and Malaysian overseas Chinese were the first to invest in China’s chaotic and lawless system that enable China to grow economically. No one else would touch China with a ten-foot pole at that time but the “nanyang” peoples who felt at least some connection with their forebears on the mainland.

  • Foreign Devil

    Does she know that the kid is supposed to WEAR the diaper? it is not a catchers glove for piss that you wear. I’ve never seen a child pee in the streets in the west. . somehow we have that worked out.

  • Foreign Devil

    I remember the time I went to the Beijing zoo and saw what must have been a 12 year old girl pull up her dress and piss right there in the midst of the crowds. That and the way the animals were treated. made me feel that the civilized ones were the ones in cages.

  • moop

    if your child can’t control themselves it needs to be in a diaper. they had a diaper, so why wasnt the kid wearing one? its still unacceptable to have a child urinating in the street, even if you hold a diaper in your hand to catch it. no one wants to see your little savage squat in the middle of their street or sidewalk

  • loki

    there was no diaper….

  • Ben

    “there’s a line for the washroom and the child has to go, so what choice do I have?” The choice to put the diaper on the child. Cretin.

  • JohnDoe7

    One thing that I do not understand is, why this and similar incidents only happen with the mainlanders. Similar problems are unheard of with non mainland Chinese and Asian tourists in HK. And the comments from mainland netizens making excuses for this.

    Such gap in mindset even between peoples of the same ethnicity, it has to be the communist system, isn’t it.

    • Kai

      To the extent that the communist system held China back from modernizing at the rate other Asian countries have, yep. Then again, you don’t need a communist system to hold your country and populace back.

  • random

    In Mainland it’s common for parents have their kids piss anywhere, even in the open of a restaurant or the floor of a clean shopping mall. They’ll also spit almost anywhere. The HK’ers are only 4-5 million or so (the rest are from the mainland but living in HK vs 1.4 billion Mainlanders. Plus there’s the whole it’s part of china thing, which you can bet HK people probably aren’t too happy about. HK to me used to be distinctive, but more and more it is becoming more like China.

  • xxxxxl

    holy shit,you just show a two years old girl’s ass on internet,it’s much severer issue and bigger crime than public urinating,don’t you think

    • mr.wiener

      Surely you jest.

    • loki

      hey ….. Pssst…. xxxxxs its in a public place ….. not a crime…

      Subway? its cool just pee….
      other kids watch? its cool just pee….
      subway door way? its cool just pee….
      in the street, on the sidewalk? its cool just pee….

      let me hold my kid out of a train window to pee? its cool just pee….

      Fucking car show with hundreds of cameras everywhere? its cool just pee….

      in a Apple store? its cool its just pee….

      oh and my FAVORITE .. a drinking fountain? fuck it, its cool just pee….

  • chandlerpatrick

    I think that the whole situation was blown way out of proportion. It’s a kid. It needs to pee. The parents could have probably done a few things differently, and they are in the wrong. The guys not letting them leave are WORSE. When a child, an innocent in the situation is involved, perhaps just a simple “hey, next time, try not to do that in the street” is all that’s needed. I have young children, and they are potty trained, but when the kids gotta go, they gotta go. My 5 year old can hold it, and then it’s a mad dash for the closest restroom. What if you can’t find a restroom in time? What you do, is try to find the most discreet place you can, and let them wiz. I’ve not been in the situation when my kid needs to have a poo, and we can’t find a restroom, but if the day should come, I suppose I’d have to do the same thing. Whenever a child is involved, a little bit of understanding is required. For those of you without kids commenting on the situation, wait until you do have kids, and you find yourself in the same situation. What are you going to do? At 2 years old, the kid probably should have been wearing diapers, but the guys involved, not allowing them to leave is tantamount to assault!

    Hong Kongers like to preach that they are more educated and civil than their mainland counterparts, but the actions of those men involved, especially with a young, innocent child at the center of the situation shows that in fact, perhaps they are not. For shame Hong Kong, practice what you preach. Be civil, don’t be douchebags – especially when a child is at the center of it all.

    I’m not letting the parents off the hook; as I believe that they could have done things differently from the get go. They also made an error in judgment.

    Just one father’s perspective on the situation.

    • JohnDoe7

      But this is not the first incident with mainland Chinese, there are similar incidents that happened before. Similar incidents with other Asians are unheard of. The cumulation of all the small incidents like this led to the point where people react instinctively strongly like in this case.

      In my opinion, this incident, like all other incidents before, are syndromes of the cultural shock caused by the contradiction of expectations of both same ethnic people in the same country but with very different upbringings in two very different system (British Colonial vs Communist).

    • http://mykafkaesquelife.blogspot.com/ Taiwan Explorer

      As a father myself, I could not agree more with you. It’s disgusting, that people are posting photos of the child online. Just because it’s so easy to take a photo and upload it online, and just because so many do it, it doesn’t mean it’s right.

    • jiyeonsgorgethighs

      Really, it’s not so much about whether the kid should’ve peed in public but the whole Chinese mentality of “hey we are rich and we own you now and we can’t even pee on your streets?” that’s making Hong Kong angry. We understand kids can’t hold it in. But instead of apologizing and asking for understanding, the standard Chinese response is always “SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID HONG KONG PEOPLE WITHOUT OUR MONEY AND OUR WATER AND OUR FOOD YOU WOULD HAVE DIED ALREADY!” Ever since 1997 China has been trying to replace the Hong Kong way of life with their own, and people in Hong Kong are sick of it.

      • chandlerpatrick

        Look, I hate rich, self-serving, self-centered, selfish, fu er dai, and new rich, just as much as the next person. I hate it when people think that they are above everyone else because they have some cash or ill-gotten-gains, do things like that ANYWHERE. I’m not sure that is the mentality these parents had. You have to admit, HK’ers (not all) seem to think that they are better than Mainlanders. Singing things like “Locust World” to people trying to enjoy a vacation. Yea, Mainlanders do have a bad reputation when abroad (and for good reason), but for HK’ers to do what they have been doing to Mainlanders is essentially the pot calling the kettle black. Disrespectful. It’s called “not stooping to their level”, and so far HK’ers have stooped at every chance they get.

        • jiyeonsgorgethighs

          I do agree that some of things done by the staunch anti-Mainland Hong Kongers are uncalled for and crossing the line, and is unfair to those self-respecting mainlanders. But I do feel it’s reached a point where they feel there is no way to vent their anger and solve the problems brought by China but to resort to these means.

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