Mainland Chinese Tourists Deface Plants in Taitung, Taiwan

Mainland CHinese tourists carving names and messages onto the leaves of a native agave plant at a famous scenic area in Taiwan's Taitung county.

Mainland CHinese tourists carving names and messages onto the leaves of a native agave plant at a famous scenic area in Taiwan's Taitung county.

From NetEase:

Famous Taiwan plant becomes mainland tourist “message board”

The agave plants inside Taiwan Taitung City’s well-known “Water Runs Up” Botanical Garden scenic spot are being damaged by tourists. 500 leaves on 30 agave plants have had words and messages carved onto them by tourists using dried branches and other tools, with few left untouched. The park’s cleaner/custodian claims many mainland tourists treat the agave plants as a Taiwan tourist message board.

Words and messages carved onto the leaf of a native agave plant by mainland Chinese tourists at a famous scenic spot in Taiwan's Taitung county.

According to Taiwan’s “United Daily News” report, on the 22nd, a reporter saw on site a group of tourists from Zhangjiajie [a city in Hunan province] on the mainland at the botanical gardens taking photos, with one person shouting “there are words carved on the leaves” as if discovering a new continent and the rest of the tour members all crowding around.

On the leaf, someone had written “Henan province Wang Gang”, “Nanjing Xiao Su was here”, as well as “beautiful scenery of green hills and white clouds” written in simplified characters.

Some of the leaves had even been repeatedly carved in, with one leave having old traces of “2010” with a more recently written “2012 April 13th”.

One mainland tourist while looking through the leaves said: “See if there are any also from our Zhangjiajie [a Hunan province city].” Not long later, an excited shout: “There really are!” The mainland tourist group that had been taking photos collectively turned their heads to take photos of the “agave message board”.

“Carving messages and leaving names often happens, with mainland tourists doing it the most.” A “Water Flows Upward” Scenic Area custodian expressed that they often see mainland tourists using dried branches or rocks to carve messages on the agave leaves, and of the various flora in the botanical gardens, tourists have the most “affection” for the agave because its leaves are relatively larger and easier to carve on.

The custodian said this kind of situation has been happening for over two years and that the botanical gardens have put up “don’t step on the grass” and “don’t climb on or break the trees and plants” signs but the tourists ignore them, going onto the grass and entering the flower and plant areas at will, climbing on and breaking trees and plants or carving messages. They’ve even had serious arguments happen in the past for stopping mainland tourist groups from going into the grass and plants to take photos.

The Zhangjiajie mainland tour group said that even if on the leaves are written Henan, Nanjing or simplified characters, it can’t be determined that it was done by mainland tourists, “maybe someone is intentionally trying to frame us.”

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East Coast Scenic Area Administration Department Deputy Chief Lin Weiling said the “Water Runs Up” scenic area encompasses 667 hectares and there is only one police officer stationed there, so its difficult to protect the entire park. However the practice of message carving cannot go on, and they will strengthen the ban in the future, as well as ask travel agencies and tour guides to supervise, and if similar damaging behavior is discovered, they will be fined.

A cartoon from Hexun:

A Chinese cartoon depicting mainland Chinese tourists carving messages onto an agave leaf found at a famous scenic spot in Taiwan.
The above cartoon shows the mainland Chinese tourist lacking "公德心" gong de xin, "public mindedness" or "public consideration".

Comments from NetEase:

kollentt [网易广东省深圳市网友]:

The most SB message to leave when traveling is “XX was here”!!! Who knows who you are SB!? Doing this will only make people despise you!!!

salcohk [网易广东省佛山市南海区网友]:

“The Zhangjiajie mainland tour group said that even if on the leaves are written Henan, Nanjing or simplified characters, it can’t be determined that it was done by mainland tourists, ‘maybe someone is intentionally trying to frame us.'” Haha~~~ I laughed~~ Still defending this kind of practice~

德迷之粉 [网易福建省网友]:

Who would try to frame this on you!? Those bastard tourists who go traveling on public money are truly without character! Not long ago, several Anhui female civil servants even stole the life preservers from the flight they were on!


There’s a book called “The Ugly Chinaman“! What’s frightening is that many of our countrymen do not know that their behavior in public is improper! So sad! So sad!

晴天白日齐飞扬 [网易辽宁省抚顺市网友]:

The characters of Chinese tourists, like the moral character of Chinese businessmen, is world famous!

hudn2007 [网易广东省东莞市网友]:

Chinese characteristics.

波521 [网易江苏省网友]:

Henan people yet again.




So embarrassing! So ugly!


Are mainlanders incapable of paying attention to their characters [behavior]? Leaving the mainland and embarrassing themselves throughout the world.

The “Water Runs Up” scenic spot:

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Taiwan's famous "water runs up" scenic spot in Taitung county.

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  • mr. wiener

    sitting on my sofa made from illegaly picked flowers

    • mr. wiener

      On a side note. I was back in Oz with the missus visiting the family and was visiting the Healsville Sanctuary, which is like an open zoo, where you walk along a path through different enclosures and see the animals face to face.
      In the kangaroo enclosure I saw some Chinese tourists [mainland accent identified by my wife]had stepped off the path and where taking photos of a kangaroo resting under a tree. Apparently they thought this wasn’t “live action” enough so one of them was poking the roo with his foot trying to get him to stand up.
      This as you can imagine didn’t go down too well with the other visitors to the zoo who started to yell at them to desist, but they paid not a wit of notice til a posse of park rangers ushered them ,bitching and moaning, away from the enclosure. My wife [who is Taiwanese] was crimson with embarresment.
      It’s just a shame the roo didn’t get up and rip his face off.

      • mankouzanghua

        Some time back a guy (I believe also from Henan) got into the panda enclosure at the zoo in Beijing, woke one up, and was bitten. The media reports at the time quoted him as saying he tried to bite back, and the panda’s skin was very tough.

        • mr. wiener

          A hick is a hick.Could be worse, at least they don’t have guns. I still remember seeing a story about after Taliban first conquered Afganistan. A bunch of them went to the zoo in Kabul and one jumped into the lion cage to ‘rasel him a lion. The lion bit his leg off and killed him. His mates came back the next day and lobbed a grenade at the lion in revenge.
          Kind of off topic , but still as the affluent chinese go traveling overseas, impressing us all with their spitting , nose drilling and generally making us wish the American would come back……At least their come traveling with credit cards , not Kalashnikovs.

          • terroir

            It sounds like there will soon be another kind of overseas tourism. Chinese can board a cruise (complete with air travel) and head down to the South China sea to the sunny and disputed dale of Xisha so that they can write their name on something there to claim for themselves.

            It’s being billed as domestic travel.

          • Phil

            Someone I knew very poetically explained to me that the current view of China is that they’re the weird kid on the playground no one likes but has a bag of candy that he gives to everyone so that they’ll be his ‘friend’. Moment the candy is gone no one would bother with them. Not a good way to build relationships or friends if all people see is your money.

          • Capt. WED

            LOL true. But you have to also consider the character of those that take the money, but I guess it’s money right and I’m not an idiot. Then it’s more like high school rather than playrground, you got your cliques. Freaks. Geeks. Pretenders. Psychos & Weirdos. You also have covert afterschool beatings. You have weird liberal chicks like Notorious whose a bit schizo. Basically the playround is fucked up already, take out the “weird kid” it’s still fucked up. Yep. Beside the weird kids is grabbing all he can so he can stuff himself silly back at the trailer park…

          • Capt. WED

            And not to mention pieces of shits like Coala one inconsistent hypocritical fuck with a dark family history, am doing this right?

          • Notorious

            Capt Wed… I don’t know about the word “weird”. I like eccentric better. I was the kid walking around the playground on snowy days with my mouth open so I could eat snowflakes. No dirty jokes please. I once got hit in the mouth with a snowball for that. Damn stupid kids… I was the girl whose mother forced her to wear ridiculous jumpers aka “bill cosby sweaters”. I cried alot. Stole tulips because I thought they were roses. climbed trees so i could eat cranapples and weird berry looking things. Was accident prone (black eyes, knocked out baby tooth, stitches three or four times, broken arm) Nurtured every animal I found. Babysat kids for pocket change. Loved to pretend i was their mom. lol Very rough and tumble. Had a fun weird childhood. Not very weird at all now that I think about it.

            Maybe a new candidate is needed as the poster girl for weirdo. :o)

          • coala banana

            CaptWed might be a crazy fuck, but he is right, you ARE a schizo and a paranoid psycho. Maybe in your youth you fell too many times from a tree, and in the adulthood got your teeth punched out by your dudes more then once…that would explain your behavior and your insecurity towards men, especially white men. But please, don’t blame white men for the actions of ruthless black pimps.

            Transfer your anger in other directions and seek help at some abused-women-self-help-groups. It can help you to get back on track ! I wish you good luck !

      • rollin wit 9’s

        excellent story dude. I was waiting for some hard core action like the kangaroo going ape sh!t or something but i guess your ending will have to suffice. well done. & very typical of Chinese knowing they hear your ass but casually ignoring.
        I hate that sh!t happened to me at BK the other day when an non-observant CHN lady cut in front of me. Cuz they all think the back of the line starts at the front of the goddamn counter. I’ve already digressed im done.

      • Gary

        “This as you can imagine didn’t go down too well with the other visitors to the zoo who started to yell at them to desist, but they paid not a wit of notice”

        This is a major problem with mainland Chinese people – once they get caught misbehaving they have to act like they’re not and keep doing it. If they were to stop, it would be the same as admitting fault and they can’t tolerate that idea.

        • Alan

          If they were to stop, it would be the same as admitting fault and they can’t tolerate that idea.

          Agreed, face all the way…

          • coala banana

            applaus to gary and alan !

            admitting a fault = loosing face

            loosing an argument even knowing i am wrong = loosing face

            back up and admitting that i did something wrong = loosing face

            letting the other speak louder and acting more crazy them me = risking to loose the argument and loosing face

      • Alan

        In the kangaroo enclosure I saw some Chinese tourists [mainland accent identified by my wife]had stepped off the path and where taking photos of a kangaroo resting under a tree. Apparently they thought this wasn’t “live action” enough so one of them was poking the roo with his foot trying to get him to stand up.

        Idiots! I wish someone punched their lights out, but that would be to stoop to their neanderthal level.

        Reminds me of a time while queueing up at dubai airport to take connecting flight back to UK, heard two definitely mainland looking guys mentioning something about laowai/arabs being strange looking, I retorted something along the lines of ¨ In Dubai, you are laowai¨ did not realised it kind of rhymed, but I think they got the point, and just what is it with those tight leather belts and underarm begs…a bunch of cardboard cut out clones, lol.

    • Nyancat

      Carving into your illegal sofa, Nyancat wuz here

      • mr. wiener

        God damned Henanese!

        • moop

          the henanese, sitting comfortably in third place of the blame hierarchy, right below foreign powers and temporary workers

          • The Shadow Knows

            and you, who sits in fourth…right before the “^&*#” who gave you genital warts.

          • moop

            it trollz moarz harder

      • Little Wolf

        CHAKA LIVES!

    • KDAWG

      I was doing a homestay in some remote city in northern chongqing. We went to this amazing canyon natural reserve thing and.. upon reaching the bottom.. my host family just started raiding the surround area for mushrooms and root vegetables!!! I couldn’t believe it, they brought home like 10kg of the stuff. I had the stuff in my hand and asked the host-dad what the vegetable thing actually was. He pointed ahead at the security guards not far off and said, ‘低调低调’……

    • Interested

      They should leave their marks on some thing more permanent. When I visited Egypt, those ancient Greek and Roman graffiti became part of history. Fun, fun, fun.

      • pervertt

        “Romanes eunt domus.”

      • Foreign Devil

        They do. Have you seen the Great Wall? graphitti scratched into all the bricks in the more popular parts.

  • jiayi

    Seriously you guys a simple depiction of a big cartoon penis would have sufficed.

    • jiayi

      Very unimaginative but what else would you expect from a bunch of obviously overexcited commies.

  • terroir

    That is some terrible handwriting. I know it hard to practice calligraphy well with a shiv, but higher standards must be adhered to for the sake of posterity.

    So, in that case, I have the perfect solution: both the Chinese and laowai can be happy.

    Mainlanders travel to a tourist spot, but instead of agave plants to write on the Western tourist strip down so that the Mainlanders can tattoo their messages of prosperity upon their flesh.


    • mr. wiener

      Perhaps the Taiwanese govt could see up a park full of toxic and halucinagenic agaves for the Mainlanders to frolic in.

    • White Thrash

      yeah, or why wouldn’t the mainlander stay in mainland and shut the fuck up for once ? :)

      • pada

        These mainlanders (1.4 million till now) don’t stay in mainland because they not only want to help their Taiwan brothers, and well, sisters too :) recover from their shitty rotten democratic economy but also to gradually repatriate over 1 million strong Taiwanese in filthy mainland back to their green grass home from the unwilling suffering under commie rule. Damn, who wants to stay in mainland, except some foreign immigrant workers? :))

    • Bruce Tutty

      With attitudes like this, the Chinese are the laowai to the rest of the planet.

      • Jay

        According to the literal meaning of laowai, anyone who is outside their home country is a laowai.

        So, yes, Chinese are laowai to the rest of the planet.

        • Harland

          Wrong! A foreigner is still a foreigner, no matter what country a Chinese is in. Don’t assume your silly English language comparisons exist in Chinese, because they don’t.

    • donscarletti

      Well, using a shiv is a rotten idea. But with a tattoo needle, it could be great for dumbarses who want some rad “Asian letters” on the cheap.

      • mr. wiener

        Saw a whitey dude with “Tomato sauce [ketchup]” tatooed in Chinese characters on his arm once :)

  • Alex

    Perhaps I’ll pay a visit to the botanical garden to confront these mainlanders in verbal “debate.”

    • It won’t help. It’s a similar thing in Alishan or Yehliou, where they constantly climb on the queen’s head. One day they will break it off and few million years old natural wonder will be beheaded.

      I wrote about the difference between Chinese and Taiwanese on Alishan on my blog:

      I also blame the Taiwanese agencies, who organize these tours and the government, who too often turns a blind eye to these things for the sake of “closer ties” with the commie regime. We still have missiles pointed at us. (And a lot of simplified characters on famous spots).

      • anon

        I think it WILL help. Negative feedback has its place in the world. How do you think Taiwanese people learned?

      • mr. wiener

        Achtung Hongjian!
        A globetrotting army of loudmouth fat-arses with horribly behaved children in tow…Who is this remanisent of? The Americans perchance?
        Welcome to the dawning of the new age tovarich. Chinese are the new yanks, “Yanks with Chinese characteristics” if you will. AND YOU ARE NOT GONNA LIKE IT!!
        The French love being hated, the yanks thought everyone secretly liked them [such were their egos]. Chinese are veery thin skinned, and behind that bombast of “5000 years of civilization” there is a very unsure and paranoid id with 100 years of degredation from foreign powers to live down.
        I can already anticipate your response “Kill all Americunts”, “Nuke the world”..etc..etc..froth and gibber….Nope, not gonna happen, not with this generation. They lack the stomach.
        I envision a ,..gentler future.
        See you there comrade:)

        • Alan

          and behind that bombast of “5000 years of civilization” there is a very unsure and paranoid id with 100 years of degredation from foreign powers to live down.


          What I find most amusing is some girls who get really defensive and sensitive about any criticism of the motherland, but are off shagging laowai guys at any opportunity.

          Talk about hypocrisy?!

  • fookie

    This strikes me as perfect common behavior. I see this kind of behavior all the time in China. Last week I was in a zoo where both parents and children were throwing stones and plastic bottles at crocodiles to make them react. When I said something about it , they stopped and walked away and another group of persons immediately took their places. I also saw a man throw an ice cream in a Tigers den.

    For those readers who have been to Yangshuo and took the river trip have probably seen chinese throw of all their garbage in the river. I was surprised to see trash floating EVERYWHERE and nobody seemed to care.
    Or even more close to home, how many food packages / food leftovers / plastic bottles do you encounter while taking a stroll outside. Plenty, there are also plenty wastebins .. plenty empty.

    • Appalled@everything

      Had the same experience in Zhejiang’s Lishui region Ruoliao mountain range. Breathtakingly beautiful scenery. Mountains were above the clouds (kinda) and on the scenic walking trail, all down the sides of the cliffs and lookouts I could see trash. I was, well, appalled quite frankly. I vowed that if I ever returned I would bring a garbage bag with me. Fuck it. China might be the home of Chinese people but this is my world too. I don’t like seeing Mother Nature shat on by teams of uncivilized fucks and I will pick that shit up if noone else will.

      • Nyancat

        ^ you are a good person, it’s sad to see crap all over the place and noone giving a rat’s ass about it…sigh

      • Alan

        Had the same experience in Zhejiang’s Lishui region Ruoliao mountain range. Breathtakingly beautiful scenery

        I’d agree here, not too far from lishui, and there is beautiful scenery in southern zhejiang.

        Shame mobile phones, smoking and spitting ruin ones appreciation of it.

      • hanyucha

        On the beautiful mountains around west lake I used to go running with a trash bag collecting bottles. I would come back with hundreds and sell them. One time a girl saw me and said to her boyfriend, “Wow, look foreigners really care about the environment.”

        • Harland

          So, you not only feel superior to Chinese, but you also run around recycling like a street bum. These are two incompatible stances…

      • Mcnubn

        I went to Chengde on a university trip to see the temples. All nice and pretty, great for photos etc. I get to the top of the one that was made too look like the Lhasa palace, look over the edge to see the wonderful view…and trash…hundreds of bottles, bags etc scattered below the wall…sad times

        • Foreign Devil

          I always intended to visit Chengde when I was in Beijing. since it was not far off. . was it any good? Aside from the garbage.

      • The Enlightened One

        You know that may actually work.

        If a foreigner is picking up the trash of the Chinese in China and it gets a lot of media attention the Chinese will be HUGELY embarrassed…

        If all foreigners did this, it would send a powerful message…

        Or maybe not. But who cares it’s for Mother Nature!

        • Alan

          The last story I heard about that was, it made the chinese lose face so the foreigner was “asked to stop”. God forbid a foreigner offer any help.

          The 2nd was that foreigners are poor and we need the money.

          • Appalled@everything

            I think you are both right, Alan, Enlightened One, I think that it is a good idea, and I think that it would make Chinese lose face.
            But you know what, if someone told me to stop, I would say ‘only if you take over while I watch. If you aint’ gonna do it then step aside.’

            Probably the media would turn up. Absurd to imagine and yet so very likely.

            And people would gawp and snap pics, and their kids would pick their noses and watch, a crowd would form, people would be throwing their trash while I collected it, while they threw it, while they watched, while I picked it, while kids picked their noses, picking, throwing, snapping, picking, plucking, throwing, snapping, picking , sucking, sucking, a vortex opens up and Little YueYeu, incredibly, riding a Giant Panda, appears and shakes her finger at all of China, and welcomes me to ride on the back of the Panda with her, but I only smile and say ‘my work here has only just begun’. The votex starts to close, YueYue rides through it into the great unknown while teams of locals, still throwing trash, still picking their noses, plead to be taken wth her, she looks back one final time and tisks, shaking her little finger, and is gone.

        • Alejandro

          That is an awesomely incredible idea. I don’t know why I didn’t thought of it before. However, if you put this thought in practice, when you, me and all of our laowai friends are half-way picking up all of the shit, the police and gvt officials would show up to shut us off. You’ve probably realized that out already. But it’s still an awesome Idea. Maybe it would work better if ALL the foreigners in china would pick THE SAME day and time to do it, so there won’t be enough police to stop us, and there will be enough cameras around to document the whole thing. the motto would be something like this “We already brought the worst from the west (i.e mcdonalds, kfc) now let us bring the best from us ! lol

        • anon

          Remember the story about the kid who stabbed his mother in the airport and only a foreigner tried to give first aid?

          A good example does help even if you’ll still get some people who will resent you for embarrassing them. There is, of course, a lot of difference between picking up litter and trying to save a life. There are a lot of PSAs on Chinese television, especially in the major cities, encouraging greater civic-mindedness. They remind me of the PSAs in my own home country in the past. The PSAs can be quite cheesy but I’m certain they do their part in improving overall civic-mindedness in China. The results just take a generation to manifest themselves.

          • Alan

            In Hangzhou, the city government has put up lots of billboards on all the major roads extorting things like, be frugal,work hard, love your city! don’t litter, and so on and so on….I wonder if the trickle down effect is working or not at times?!

          • Little Wolf

            Well Alan, I came to Hangzhou in 2000, left and came back and have lived here since 2002 and I have seen the landscape and infrastructure of this city improve much for the better but hardly a shred of improvement in the mindset of the citizens. About the only improvement I can notice is the buses are required to stop at crosswalks. I’m pessimistic and disagree that it is ever going to get much better. Based on previous history of other countries improvements doesn’t mean it’s going to happen here.

          • anon

            It’s dispiriting to know that you haven’t seen a shred of improvement in the mindset of the citizens. I understand how that may seem true, especially with the older generations who are set in their ways but having been to China so many times, I’m constantly seeing improvement even if I’m also constantly seeing things that continue to frustrate me. I find it hard to believe there is no improvement when there is so much evidence around us, just as it is hard to deny there is much to be frustrated over when there is likewise so much evidence around us.

          • grovesman

            The PSAs on littering in the USA during the early 70’s were very effective. Showing a Native American paddling his canoe through trash infested waters and then showing a tear running down his face.

            It didn’t take too long after that that our waters and land, in general, were MUCH cleaner.

            Here, it will probably take a generation or two before it changes behavior in a noticable, significant way (I hope).

          • Little Wolf

            Grovesman: I met that guy! (even got to shake his hand)
            Iron Eyes Cody. And you are right, it was an extremely effective campaign, along with the “1 person CAN make a difference”

            In fact…the success of those campaigns is one of the frustrating things when I see people afraid to do anything because “Why bother?”

    • pervertt

      I visited Huangshan around this time last year. Magnificent scenery and there were enormous hordes of tourists because it was Qingming.

      There was a sign saying “Don’t climb precipice and cliff” in both English and Chinese. Yes, you guess it, local people were taking turns to climb up the cliff face and have their pictures taken, with the warning sign in full view.

      • whichone

        Do not interrupt, evolution in progress, witness as unfit genes fall out of gene pool.

        • Bruce Tutty

          or get kicked out

    • rollin wit 9’s

      I wish i could show you this picture I drew about a year back. It pretty much sums up the China experience.
      +In the middle there is a very thin guy spitting every five seconds (depicted
      by him spitting, a puddle on the ground and spit still in the air)
      +a lady with a baby and pretending to eat out of the trash
      +a trash can completely empty and surrounded by garbage
      +an arm sticking out of an elevator (depicting someone rushing on before
      people get off
      and last but not least
      +a girl selling flowers to passerbys
      I keep it for ol time sake. And i love my artwork

  • eattot

    sb everywhere!
    but sometimes i also like to do sth a bit evill, as go to supermacket, break several snack bags,kick trash bins at night…and i always want to cut a hole in that kinda PU bags and a bit similar materail made clothes.

    • waihang

      Kilroy would be delighted to carve in sb on ya forehead

      btw, now we know how mainland came to the conclusion spratley parcel etc belongs to big mama, there were ancient tourists many many moons ago on these islands carving in messages on all plants rocks etc

    • jeffli

      Ooooh you rebel!
      Getting drunk and kicking trash cans and bruising watermelons in JiaLiFu!!!
      tisk tisk tisk!

      next thing you are going to tell me you scribble on the public bus stop time-tables!

      Well enjoy your personal riot!

      but don’t go scribbling “Ah Bing was here 2012 yaya!” when you visit the buddhist caves in Gansu!

      Some body wrote “Susu was here 2011” at a cave in Australia which contained Aboriginal Art work from 20,000 years ago…….EATTOT? was that you? Hmmmmmmm?

    • cc

      You are one sad person if that’s how you get your jollies

  • Jeff

    Dumb assed peasants form Mainland China will always be dumb assed peasants…

    • Appalled@everything

      “Dumb assed peasants form Mainland China will always be dumb assed peasants…”

      I disagree there, mate

      My money says that if you take a handful of Chinese from every social and economic group and send them to that park, say five or so individuals, representing each socioeconomic group; around a hundred people in total, and then observe their behavior in this park, when faced with the personal choice to ‘go along’, to watch and to prevent others from harming the fauna, the result would be probably 90% of all people present would carve something onto these plant, regardless of wealth or position or situation. I think it is in people’s nature to jump on board the wagon, and Chinese are just to quick to ‘go along’ without regard for repercussions or ramifications.

  • mankouzanghua

    No offense to plants, but these messages might just be the most interesting thing at the botanical gardens.

    • White Thrash

      then why the fuck go there ?
      to “write” ?

      • Jahar

        Well said. Just because you aren’t interested, doesn’t mean you should ruin it.

      • mankouzanghua

        tongue in cheek, my friend

      • rollin wit 9’s

        No, remember these people are playing with a full deck. Instead of calling up Mr. Henan and saying ”Hey, did you go to the garden?”

        Mr. Hunan decides to just go the gardens himself and look for his buddy’s signature. Upon finding it he can rest at ease, knowing his comrade was there first. If unlucky, he scribbles in his own name, returns home and declares ‘I got there 1st, or victory.

    • Dr. Jones Jr.

      That is of course a subjective comment. If you don’t appreciate plants or natural (true) harmony, don’t ruin it for those who do appreciate it.

      My grandfather had a saying that is particularly appropriate for this article: “fool’s names and fool’s faces; always found in public places”.

      The comments reportedly from that Zhangjiajie group certainly do confirm that what they left behind for posterity is far from the only foolish thing about themselves.

  • pervertt

    Nothing new here. Chinese have been doing for it for centuries. Except the earlier Chinese explorers were better behaved and brought their own stone tablets (or stela) and left the local agave alone. “Zheng He wuz here” or something like that.

  • Jay K.

    You know, I’m not surprised at all. Going back stateside this February with my wife. We decided to go to Boston to see my old friends from college. So i took my wife for a tour of Harvard and MIT, they’re free for those that don’t know, you should try it.

    Some Chinese in our tour group especially more in MIT tour.

    No taking photos inside was the main rule. I found it interesting that harvard did not let people inside the buildings, photos outside ok. MIT photos outside not inside, but still tours inside their buildings.

    I later found out why Harvard does not want tourists taking photos and distracting students..guess who those were during our tour group, the chinese.

    now my wife is a chinese well educated person, and she even lost face and had to remind the other chinese to not take photos especially in MIT.

    What perplexed me even more was during the beginning of the tour (MIT), the student tour guide explicitly said no photos inside. But these 2 parents still are taking photos as their son is watching. What kind of behavior do you display to a 8-10 yr old boy that disregarding basic courtesy and rules need not apply? those parents after talking with them earlier I found out were PH.D students/candidates in SUNY Albany; with high intelligence sure couldn’t show forth courtesy outside. So the tour guide has this disgust in her face and my wife kindly reminds those two to refrain from taking photos inside. They just looked at her with this look of “your chinese and your siding with them look” my wife wasn’t siding with anyone, how about you be courteous instead of acting like uncivilized retards.

    So my basic guess as to why Harvard does not bring tours inside is for this reason but they are being more discreet about it. I would not be surprised if in the future MIT follows through also by just doing uni tours outside, with the exception of their student union area.

    • PeterScriabin

      You are alluding to something about the modern Chinese that I just do not understand (though have my ideas) and would love to have explained. [Note to the anons of the world: I am NOT looking to join in any bashing or prejudice, just very curious.]

      I recently took a 国际航空 flight from Beijing to a city in Guangdong. After we landed and were taxi-ing to the gate, the announcer repeated the usual screed about cell-phones turned off. Seated in the very last row, I observed a man fiddling with his cell-phone. A flight attendant standing right behind him said nothing. Abruptly, a man about 10 rows ahead, and seated by the window, stood up. Half climbing over the people between him and the aisle, he popped open the overhead luggage compartment, despite there just having been a 2nd warning to stay seated, etc. The flight attendant rushed forward to remonstrate, and the man actually sat down. No sooner had the attendant resumed his post, then another man, close by, stood up and opened the luggage bin. The attendant yelled at him, and the man totally ignored the attendant, and got out his bag, which swung down and struck another passenger as the plane lurched towards the terminal.

      So my question is: why? Are ALL rules now discounted, because of disgust for the authoritarian regime? Or does everyone think they’re special here? Why do so many people here so conspicuously lack 公德心 (to quote one of the many critical comments from the netizen gallery)? I know the answers are not simple, but this post is already too long for niceties.

      To be clear – what I am asking about is a growing culture of open and unashamed contempt for even helpful rules.

      • hanyucha

        This story has a similar principle. Every day I go to the same coffee shop to revise Chinese. It gets to about three o’clock, and then business men come in and start smoking, despite the fact that the walls are covered in no smoking signs. I usually just get up and leave.

        I asked a waitress why she didn’t do anything. She just mumbled and walked away. The problem is that if customers are paying, they feel entitled to do whatever they want to do. Waitresses, and in your case, air hostesses are powerless to do anything because they have low social status, and more importantly no money.

        That is why all public servants like security guards, traffic wardens, crossing ladies, etc. have absolutely no effect on the old one hundred names, because they are usually so poor, that they do not respect their authority. This winds me up every single day!

        • Alan

          What a difference it all makes from Macau, where it is all spotless, and the traffic police actually do their jobs. Fine for jaywalking, hell yes.

          Rules are meant to be broken in la la land it seems, mei banfa, go with the flow, to hell with harmony?

        • PeterScriabin

          Yes, winds me up every day here too. I used to get in shouting matches and even fights but now feel I have found an answer that works for me personally.

          I just remind myself that this is not my country or my “jurisdiction” in any way, and that ultimately none of it is even my legitimate concern. “You are a visitor here, and if you really don’t like it, then go buy yourself an airline ticket.” In fact I’m embarrassed to think of myself as I used to be, trying to lay down the law or custom to people, in their own house. But if people smoke in the fucking elevator, I do still go as far as pointing at the no-smoking sign, and trying to see if anything is stirring behind those inscrutable eyes.

          • Mike

            I physically push them out of the elevator. Let them figure out why.

      • anon

        Since you decided to call me out, I’ll offer a response:

        Because some people just don’t care to follow the rules and think what they’re doing is really no big deal.

        I’ve witnessed similar incidents in just about every flight I’ve been on with mainland Chinese passengers (I’ve seen other nationalities do similar but…). I’ve felt the same frustration and contempt.

        But “why” isn’t difficult. It has nothing to do with disgust for China’s authoritarian regime and I can’t even imagine why you’d suggest that. It isn’t that they think they’re special (in the vast majority of instances with the vast majority of offenders). It’s because, as I said above, they simply don’t think its a big deal.

        Alec Baldwin and Words for Friends anyone? How many people came out arguing against the ban on cell phones during plane taxiing? That it wasn’t about safety but about establishing and exerting authority and control? That it was a rule from the past that persists due to inertia alone and not out of a real consideration of modern circumstance?

        People test the boundaries, not necessarily intentionally or with malice, but they do. They do something that is supposedly disallowed and see that nothing bad happens or even something good happens (they’re able to call a loved one earlier, they’re ready to disembark earlier, etc.), which lowers the bar for them repeating that behavior. So some people become repeat offenders because nothing bad has ever happened before and “that rule is stupid” and “whatever.”

        Watching those who ignore the rules, break them, and maybe even then ignore the designated authority is indeed maddening for the rest of us who choose to comply. But one thing to keep in mind when we talk about “modern Chinese” is how the rest of the Chinese passengers, the majority, are not that guy, that they’re still seated, aren’t they?

        Now I’ve seen cabins where if a few people get up, quite a lot of other people start thinking its okay and start getting up too. But I have never seen the majority of Chinese passengers openly flout the rules and instructions of the flight attendants. This alone reminds me that a few bad apples ought not spoil the bunch.

        Every single “Chinese behavior” has a historical or modern day analogue in other nationalities, because like this website says, “they’re not so different from us after all.”

        • PeterScriabin

          I certainly did not call you out! What a fantasy. My meaning was that exactly the kind of reply (ie. generalized, reiterating that there’s nothing much different or special about Chinese culture or people, etc.) you contribute would not be of interest to me, personally.

          That said, your point that not every Chinese person stoically ignores the rules of social order, is obviously correct. But, you’ll go a long way before seeing numbers of Americans opening the luggage containers when just told not to (note: I am not American, this is not jingoistic praising of my own kind), whereas we all saw that it is commonplace in China.

          Maybe I should have given better examples than on flights, eg. rules of the road, getting in and out of elevators, lining up in crowds. I find it interesting because the Americans are supposed to be the “individualists” and the Chinese the “sheep”, but it is the former who tend to obey rules in docile fashion, even when they personally disagree with or dislike them, whereas it is the Chinese who (tend to) assert their rebellious individuality by “jumping out of line” whenever it suits them.

          Whatever the evils of the Maoist era, I sense Chinese people were then not so indomitably indifferent to strangers, whereas now they all too often seem to be. I admit that their behaviors and attitudes vex me as much as they apparently do CB. I need to coach myself every time I leave the house, about not reacting emotionally, no matter what happens.

          I hope that somewhere in all this, it becomes understandable why the standard PC knee-jerk just doesn’t interest me. I do hope there are no further misunderstandings on this point.

          • anon

            You’re complaining about the difference that exists today in a snapshot of time while ignoring all of the historical and social context that explains those differences. That popular stereotypes (individualists, sheep, Maoist, etc.) color just about every representation you make doesn’t help. Your error is in your fundamental inability or refusal to look at behavior from basic human motivations, instead insisting upon there be some sort of cultural/racial/etc. factor that explains it all.

            I’m not even going to get into how arbitrary your view of Maoist era Chinese people is.

            I gather now that you’re not interested in an honest and rational explanation of what vexes you so, which you’re quick to dismiss as “standard PC knee-jerk”. You don’t want to find peace, you want to find fuel for your fire. You want validation for your judgments, biases, and contempt. You refuse to consider that your frustration could possibly be in how you look at things as you search for some reason in THEM for how you feel. You think there is an answer that eludes you when the problem is that you’re asking the wrong question. You even openly reject what is relevant with the demand for what “interests” you.

            People who truly want answers and explanations are open to what is relevant. People who want validation and affirmation for preconceived notions only want what interests them.

          • PeterScriabin

            So I’m “ignoring all of the historical and social context that explains those differences” while “insisting…there be some sort of cultural/racial/etc. factor that explains it all.”

            But you, in your infinite wisdom, want to tell me about “the historical and social context that explains” and excuses everything, while rejecting any form of cultural explanation. Did I get it right?

            Well, sir, I will admit you are one of a kind, to put it as generously as possible.

            I am open to any explantion you or someone else (preferably) has to offer. I read what you offered, but I remain unconvinced that, in the end, you have anything to say on these topics that is of much use, or interest.

            If you look below, Don Scarletti answered me with a penetrating insight on the problem, and used only about 2 lines.

          • anon

            Yet what donscarletti said isn’t a “cultural” explanation, which is my point. What he refers to is still basic human motivation. My response to you was to change how you think about these things. If you did, you would’ve thought of donscarletti’s answer ages ago. When people see others do something, it lowers the bar for themselves doing that thing. This isn’t rocket science.

            That you think his response was a “penetrating insight” only shows your fundamental inability or refusal to look at behavior from basic human motivations. About the only thing penetrating is that it pierced through your veil of trying to find an answer in cultural explanations.

            I tried to get you to change your mental framework so you could arrive at a suitable answer yourself that doesn’t involve the intellectual lazy conclusion that its cultural or racial, etc. donscarletti’s answer isn’t the only one, but its applicable, and he spoon fed it to you. Given the seeming result, and ignoring the obvious bias you have against my responses, donscarletti did a better job than me. You prefer things spoon fed to you while I admonished you for not thinking outside of the box you put yourself in. My mistake.

        • Little Wolf

          Shiiiat anon. It’s more than just a few and it’s not just something us foreigners pulled out of our ass but such common behavior that most have already agreed that there is the occasional asshole foreigner that flouts the rules but just business as usual for Chinese (mainland). I doubt if there was anybody that came to this country with a more positive and unbiased view of Chinese than myself only to have it crushed…….
          oooops! Shit, I see Peter just articulated this point better than me with this
          “That said, your point that not every Chinese person stoically ignores the rules of social order, is obviously correct. But, you’ll go a long way before seeing numbers of Americans opening the luggage containers when just told not to (note: I am not American, this is not jingoistic praising of my own kind), whereas we all saw that it is commonplace in China.”

          Peter Scriabin, I have to ask…how long does one have to live here, pay taxes, contribute, give jobs, etc, before he is not a “guest” anymore?
          I mean…we all know the obvious answer

          • anon

            Little Wolf, my part Native American friend, I think I made it clear in my comments here that we foreigners aren’t pulling this phenomenon out of our ass. I just don’t agree with nonconstructive exaggerations that are more often than not based on misleading vividness.

            My point in response to his question was: “Every single “Chinese behavior” has a historical or modern day analogue in other nationalities, because like this website says, “they’re not so different from us after all.””

            If Peter got his mind out of trying to find a cultural “Chinese” explanation and considered how such behavior has existed in other places, other times, amongst other cultures and nationalities, it shouldn’t be that hard to understand why such behavior happens and what has to change for that behavior to change.

          • PeterScriabin

            anon – I’m starting to think you have an undiagnosed mental problem. Where do I insist on a cultural explanation (whatever that is)? I invited all manner of explanations from anyone, even you. Yet you offer NO explanations, you only shift your agenda depending on how the argument goes, like a fly moving as attempts to swat it come in, and just as much of a pest.

            For example, you think Don Scarletti’s explanation is so transparent it wasn’t worth your time even to jot it down for us. Yet you yourself have nothing constructive to say here to anyone about anything – you just waffle along your same-old PC politico/moral agenda.

            Please let me try to smash your nonsense in one shot. You presumably also deny a “cultural” explanation of the massive disobedience of traffic laws and safe-driving practices that even a biased and slippery observer such as yourself could not deny exists on all Chinese roads, almost all the time?

            Yet, if you pick up that badly-behaved driver who just cut everyone out and nearly caused a fatal accident, and have him immigrate into the US, he 100% knocks off that kind of behavior almost the same day he arrives and starts driving on US highways! Right?

            And why is that, my little 4-eyed PC friend anon? Because he knows damn well that the culture has changed and no one is going to stand for that shit anymore where he now finds himself! Did he suddenly undergo a historical change or a personality operation? Fuck, no, he just moved to a different environment, and suddenly he’s all law-abiding and has got with the program.

            No more pushing in line or barging people aside as they try to get off the bus or elevator for him! Why? Because the social support structure for selfish behavior has gone? I don’t know for sure, that’s what I’m asking others to chip in on.

            But of all the people chipping in, you are the ONLY one with (apparently) nothing substantive to say. For somone of your intelligence, I think it’s a shame, and that is why I’m tinkering with the mental-problem hypothesis.

          • anon

            I think we both know you’ve been thinking that for a long time now. I think you just don’t like me getting on your case. After all, you go out of your way to preempt it.

            Now that we’re done with the ad hominems, let’s not forget you rejected my explanation as “standard PC knee-jerk” without explaining why my explanation is irrelevant, only explaining that it was not satisfactory because it doesn’t “interest” you. You EXPLICITLY said answers “reiterating that there’s nothing much different or special about Chinese culture or people” do not interest you.

            In your original comment, you cited an example, and asked why people HERE flout the rules, wondered about disgust for authoritarian regimes or people thinking they’re special, and asked why there is a “growing culture of open and unashamed contempt for even helpful rules.”

            My initial response addressed everything you mentioned. I said its not about about disgust for authoritarian regimes or people necessarily thinking they’re special and disagreed with there being a GROWING culture of open and unashamed contempt for even helpful rules. In doing so, I brought up how people may not always see such rules as “helpful”. I said the answer to “why” isn’t difficult and cited an example of non-Chinese flouting the rules and the number of people who also came out in support of that person, as just one reminder for how the “Chinese” behavior you see has analogues elsewhere. If you can figure out the other analogues, you can then easily figure out the Chinese analogue.

            No, I don’t think donscarletti’s answer is so transparent that it isn’t worth the time for me to jot it out. That’s why I spent the time to jot out everything you need to arrive at such an answer if you cared to bother instead of getting indignant that I was the one answering. I think donscarletti’s answer is only PART of the answer. It’s applicable and yes, I don’t think its hard to see if you just changed how you look at the question or phenomenon. Again, my answer was that if you can stop thinking of this as being “Chinese” behavior, which predisposes you to looking for a “Chinese” answer, you’d realize it isn’t that hard to answer so long as you have the intelligence you ought to posses by demonstration of your vocabulary. Except I put it in nicer terms the first time around.

            I don’t see my comments as PC politico/moral agenda and I’m sorry if you automatically discount things because they’re somehow “PC”. That’s another example of you wanting validation and affirmation rather than actual honest relevance.

            Your presumptive hypothetical is completely baffling. I do certainly believe there is disobedience of traffic laws and safe-driving practices on Chinese roads, but not “on all Chinese roads, almost all the time”. I don’t think it is cultural but normative. There is no Chinese cultural rule that says Chinese people ought to disobey rules and be unsafe, is there?

            Next, the prevalence of Asian-driver stereotypes in the US by itself disproves that such badly-behaved drivers immediately knock off such behavior when they immigrate to the US. I do think their behavior improves but it is a function of adapting to a new environment with different norms. It isn’t “cultural”. Its “normative”.

            So your attempt to smash my nonsense in one shot is laughable. There must be something mentally wrong with you to presume that. Sorry, ad hominem on my part, in response to the 4-eyed PC comment, though I have no idea why you think I wear glasses. In my profile photo, I don’t even have eyes.

            The ironic thing is that what you’re telling me now is exactly what I’ve told you thinking you’re winning some sort of argument. Not once have I ever said that people don’t change their normative behaviors if they’re in different environments. They do, but it takes time and is not instant. It takes education and “mistakes” that are “corrected”. It’s why Chinese immigrants do things differently in their host countries than they would from their countries of origins. This is also why Chinese people obey rules today that they didn’t in the past. It’s why Hong Kong and Taiwanese people behave differently from mainland Chinese. The historical change they go through is the learning process and adaptation to new societal norms in their new environments. These norms are also constantly evolving, and that’s why today’s Americans may behave differently from today’s Chinese given the same snapshot circumstance but didn’t behave much differently generations ago in analogous circumstances or even today in different circumstances.

            Your own musings now are far more correct than your earlier musings of disgust for authoritarian regimes. Yes, it is precisely that social norms influence individual behavior. It is also that environment and circumstance influence social norms. It is ALSO that people are individuals and don’t all share the same normative behaviors. While some are predisposed to comply, others are predisposed to not. While some err on the side of caution, others do not. While some think a rule must have its reason, others test a rule and break it if they see no persuasive consequence. While some will do something if they see others doing it, others will not. As donscarletti said, sometimes its because they feel if they don’t join in, they miss out on something.

            Every single one of these factors or explanations is present in historical or modern day analogues in other nationalities. Did you not know that? You seemingly didn’t, otherwise why would you ask, right? So I tried pointing you in that direction.

            I’m disappointed that you think I have nothing substantive to say (yet enough for you to write so much trying to put me down). I of course don’t agree with you. I still think I accurately answered your question and tried to help you better approach your frustrations. Unfortunately, I still think you’re just touchy about me saying things you don’t want to hear.

          • Brett Hunan

            Peter (If anything I write doesnt make sense its because my phone is a bitch to edit on so I dont bother.)

            I know many mainlanders overseas/outside of China that try very little to change or adapt to local laws or culture. I also know many non-Chinese who do the same. Some people do learn to adapt and some dont give a shit or consider “no harm no foul”.

            But tell me this, how many foreigners do you know in China who have bothered to adapt to the Chinese way of doing things (and I dont mean stupid backwards stereotypes like spitting, talking loudly or picking noses either)? My guess is that besides everyone using chopsticks, not many foreigners change anything. I saw it in China for years and I see it in Korea now.

            Not all people are going with the flow either. Many are just programmed as it is normal in their respective lives. Donscarlettis example is fair, but not everyone thinks the same way. It is too easy to say that. Many are exactly as cb describes them…. “selfish”.

          • PeterScriabin

            LW – I think your question deserves a page of its own, but I don’t have any smart answer. You’ve obviously paid a lot more dues than I have. I really am just a serial visitor (though I admit I worked one year in the infamous profession here – “English teacher”!)

            Obviously, even if you obtain a Chinese passport, and give up your previous nationality, you’re still not going to get much voting or free speech privilege. Many Chinese people seem oddly curious about the reactions and opinions of foreigners (though many also don’t), which occasionally gives one a platform of sorts.

            So…”how long does one have to live here…?” is probably not a matter of time but whether you truly feel a part of the group (residents, workers, company, school…) you’re in, and whether they truly include you (hard to get that status here, I would think). If you’re just an outsider, a curiosity, like me, then you don’t ever get any kind of vote – nor do I aspire to one.

        • Alan

          To be honest, on a lot of the budget airlines that fly to Spain from the UK you can see a lot of similar behaviour by the less educated and shall we say “chavvier” segments of contemporary british society.

          Being loud, abusive, getting up and getting stuff out of the overhead before the plane has taxi-ed to the terminal, being disrespectful to flight attendants, getting drunk (even on morning flights?!), and basically making life hell for the more polite people on board. Being boorish is universal it seems:(

      • coala banana

        i read the replies, and disagree with most of them. I think they do it our of simple minded selfishness and ignorance, wanting to be the first one ! They want to be the first one getting into a bus, train, ferry, plain…..AND they want to be the first one to get out of it ! Thinking “after me the flood can come, i don’t give a fuck !”

        I am also sure everyone has witnessed that so many of them NEVER sit on their booked seat, and prefer to sit wherever they they like. The fucked up thing is that, when someone comes in and see that someone else sits on his seat, then he also just sit on whatever seat, or walk away when the first guy just play ignorant and refuse to move. After that its pure chaos cause more and more people occupy seats which are not booked by them, up to the moment someone INSISTS to sit on his seat, then everything goes backwards again.

        I had one small incident when i went in HK on a bus to china and a couple was sitting on my seats (i always book 2 so no one sits next to me, eating stinking tofu, taking his shoes off, or drilling his nose…), i showed them my ticket and pointed to the seat number, the man was sitting at the window and was cleaning his long fingernails ignoring me, and his wife sitting at the aisle just look at me for a short time, then turned her back and waved with her hand saying “gogogogogo” . Not wanting to make a scene i told the girl which work for the bus company to please tell them to move to their seats. She went inside and told them when they both started yelling at her and cursing her. I had enough and grabbed this lazy ass bitch by her arm, pulled her out of her seat and pushed her down the corridor, went back and the guy didn’t say a thing, sat up and walked away,leaving his shoes behind, so i threw his shoes behind him. Motherfucking uneducated ignorant fools…i was ready to punch them both in their stupid faces….

        • mankouzanghua

          tell the truth, the woman DID come over to you later on the trip, turned on by your brazen attitude and show of courage, and ask you to take out your little brother from your pants? this story needs expanded upon. big ups!

          • coala banana

            i wish i could expand this story, but unfortunately she didn’t come back AND fortunately she did not cause she was ugly as fuck….

            I thought when i get back to throw her men out that he would resists or at least come to protect his bitch, but NO, maybe he was afraid that he will break his long pinky fingernail trying to fight me ? I understand that, this folks invest a lot of time to let it grow that long, so why risk to break it cause of a foreign devil just to protect the honor of their GF/wife ??

            I guess this was a typical example of chinese loosing face:

            being wrong – trying to get away with it – couldn’t get away with it

        • RickyJinzhou

          well played sir, I commend you

        • waihang

          hooray hooray all the way now that’s the real deal cromagnon alpha male speaking some true action the whole world have been waiting for to assault the white cave smoking out that fucking monkey and clean up the rest of the cave from all the neocon lunatics before the third world war starts thank you! you will make mladic proud!

      • donscarletti

        Most Chinese don’t like it. They just see others do it and think if they don’t do it themselves, they’re having advantage taken of them.

        • PeterScriabin

          Very good insight. It only takes one or two people to try and push into the elevator (or bus) before anyone can get off, and then everyone feels they will not get their spot and also pushes forward.

          So, in a crowded environment, everyone must have the social rules fully internalized or the whole thing easily fails. Interesting extension of the public-goods problem.

  • Tipotter

    5,000 years of culture and still fucking retarded. The ignorance and careless attitude of the Chinese amazes me.

    • Brett Hunan

      Good one! I’ve never heard that insult against China before!!

    • Dr. Jones Jr.

      The point being that 5,000 years of culture doesn’t actually apply to everyone who claims it as ‘their’ culture; it only applies to those who take time to learn and consider the lessons from it. 5,000 years of culture is currently wasted on quite a few such nouveau riche Chinese, being only ‘pearls before swine’/’guzheng played for a cow’. Natural beauty, in my experience watching these sorts of tour groups, is probably even more wasted.

      • Alan

        I do believe leaflets are issued to mainland chinese travelling abroad, in an attempt to maintain a good image. I wonder how much of it sinks in, and if the PRC foreign ministry considers Taiwan “abroad”?

    • TheBigWhite

      5,000 years of dumbass culture.

      • Interested

        Is not match for 600,000 years neanderthals.

    • hanyucha

      But your key word there was IGNORANCE. It is not like people know what is good and bad. The difference between us foreigners and the Chinese, is that most of them have never been taught what is right and what is wrong. I used to have a Cuban colleague who pissed everyone off in the office because he said that Chinese were all peasants who had just climbed out of the paddy fields. While what he said was offensive, it wasn’t far from the truth. If you want the Chinese to change, lead by example.

      • Stacy

        They won’t change, if they think they’re better than you, which they do.

      • Little Wolf

        They know what’s right or wrong. That’s why they shrink when you call’em out on their shit.

        Try setting even a basic example such as emptying your tray in the garbage at McDonalds or KFC and locals will giigle like it’s the stupidest thing they ever saw.

        • anon

          That’s only true sometimes.

          I don’t think we can say they don’t know what’s right and wrong. Sure, sometimes for certain things they don’t. But for many things, its more like they don’t know what is considered the norm (what are the rules that people really follow and what are the rules that can be reliably ignored) and that is indeed ignorance. Like most people in foreign countries, they tend to continue operating upon their own modes of conduct. If it can be done at home, why not there? They don’t know better, until someone gets on their case and sets them straight.

          Some will shrink and apologize, while others will get embarrassed and indignant about it. Par for the course.

          Emptying your tray at a fast food restaurant in China is not exactly setting a good example because it isn’t seen as the proper thing to do. We think of it as us cleaning up after ourselves based upon that being the practice when dining at fast food restaurants. They don’t, just as we don’t expect to do so at a proper restaurant. In China, the norm has always been that the restaurant staff will come take away your tray and clean the table after you.

          They think it odd that you’re doing something you don’t have to and aren’t supposed to just as you think it odd that they aren’t doing what is commonly done back home. But just as McDonald’s has burgers in China that they don’t have in America, there are also different norms of customer service. Americans have free refills and are expected to empty their trays. Chinese don’t get free refills and aren’t expected to empty their trays.

          I occasionally empty my own tray at a Mcdonalds in China sometimes out of habit. I’ve never see anyone giggle at me but I’ve often had one of the staff run by telling me they’ll take care of it and thanking me.

          • Little Wolf

            Well, USA McDonalds and others also have attendants in the dining area( usually just 1 is necessary) And I have also had the attendants come and thankfully take my tray and empty it. And I don’t pick up after myself because it’s right. I do it for the miniscule chance that my mom decide to pop into China for a surprise visit and stopped in the same restaurant for an Egg McMuffin, witness me leaving a mess and dragging me outside by my ear.

          • anon

            Heh, even so, there is a reason you were socialized to empty the tray, one that doesn’t exist in China because of different circumstances. New Jersey and Oregen have no self-serve gas station, which often throws people from other states for a loop. If you got out and tried doing it yourself because you’re not inclined to have others serve you for something so simple, you’re liable to get a good scolding. One of the reasons for those laws? Job creation.

    • jon

      The chinese culture is all about getting away with stuff you know is to your advantage. Their hero is the fox, who sneaks into the hen house.

      How do u not know that?

      • Bruce Tutty

        In the UK they use dogs to hunt foxes, but this too is accepted as being barbaric.

  • Castro

    Society of Earth Savers
      “Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints, kill nothing but time”

  • “Locusts.”

  • Alan

    I am not surprised at all, ignorance of signs is the norm, no smoking signs with the cross through the cigarette and clear text, mei banfa, light up another hong mei!

  • Greg (the smart one)

    Animals. Chinese tourists are complete animals.

    Really. I’m glad my country is not their favorite destination.

    And yes, I would beat the crap ou of them if they tried their luck in my country. Just yesterday I put a line jumper at the airport (here in Xiamen) in his place. The people around were loving it.

    Quick reminder China lovers – Taiwan is Taiwan, a separate country from dirty dog China.

  • yesyes

    Deep in the glades of Water Runs Up Park

    “Mr. Weiner Mr. Weiner!! There it is!!!!”

    “Yes Big Pu, you found it!!!”

    “There there!!!” Big Pu points in the direction of a quarter acre of agave plants.

    “I don’t see it Big Pu!” Little Weiner looks, his head moving side to side like a magpie.

    “There there there!!!” Big Pu still points and waves his cigarette stained fingers. Not looking he hits a toddler passing by who goes away crying.

    “Yes Big Pu!” Little Weiner doesn’t see it but figure he’ll fake it.

    “You see it!!!!!” Big Pu’s so excited he’s practically levitating. By now people have gotten as far away as possible from pointing and yelling Big Pu – well everybody except for other mainland Chinese boor-rists who are all doing the same.

    “Yes Big Pu Yes Big Pu!”

    “Good good Little Weiner, tell me what it says!!”

    “Big Pu?”

    “Yes Little Weiner, tell me what is says!!”

    “Ahhh… I can’t quite make it out Big Pu. Did you use old style writing because we’re in Taiwan?” Little Weiner hopes this’ll coddle Big Pu.

    “NIP BASTARD DOG CUNT!!!!! WHO CAN WRITE THAT SHIT!!! OF COURSE I DIDN’T!!! I’m having a hard enough time getting around this damned province because of all the old style writing and then there’s the ABCs around every other corner!!!”

    “Ahhh Big Pu, I really can’t see it clearly, I must need glasses.”

    “Ok, I’ll tell you, It says: Taiwan Xiao Jies feel like old loose shoes. Hahahahaha!!!”

    • mr. wiener

      I’m going to have to ask you pay a copyright fee every time every time you use the name “Mr. Weiner”. ..No hang on this is China, I’ve bugger all chance of collecting.

      • coala banana

        i found his post before this one was funny. This post here i don’t really understand, BUT he IS consistent , I give him that. Still can’t figure out why he is obsessed with you, but hey ! Its entertaining, so give him at least some credit…..I always give credit to ALL MY fans here, like notorious, jeffly and the happycow, they put a lot of effort into their posts, this has to be respected ! You must also understand that some take this shit here way toooo serious , virtually living from this shit. I think they call it social interacting, just sometimes they forget to enjoy their real life too !

  • Johnny Basic

    The funny thing is, the Chinese government is desperate to promote China’s ‘soft power’, and has upped efforts to boost the nation’s public image worldwide…

    …but it ALL gets undone by the average Chinaman’s propensity for moronic public behaviour! Ha, ha, HA!

    It doesn’t matter how many state-funded movies Christian Bale appears in, or how breath-taking its Olympic opening ceremonies are, or how many billboards it hires out in Times Square, the cringeworthy actions of China’s nose-picking masses will always ensure such efforts come to nothing.

    • Greg (the smart one)

      Straight up bro. You know the deal.

    • Bruce Tutty

      I guess propaganda has always worked in the past, so all this reality must have the double-speak department wringing their hands.

  • moop

    anyone here read that book mentioned by one of the chinese netizens called “the ugly chinaman” (丑陋的中国人)? seemed to have gotten decent reviews on amazon.

    • Greg (the smart one)

      I can’t get a Kindle version.

      Would love to read it.

      • mr. wiener

        It’s by an author by the name of Bao Yang. He was put in prison in Taiwan during marshal law for translating a “Popeye” cartoon.

  • Johnny Basic

    To be honest I don’t know why Chinamen like these bother splashing out on travel.

    Just look at them. You can tell they’d be just as happy being gathered on a large cardboard sheet on the floor slapping down playing cards, or sitting on plastic stools outside a shaokao stall yelling at each other in between mouthfuls of kebab and Suntory.

    It’s not so much the pleasure of visiting new places that they get a kick out of, as the excitement of being gathered in a group, creating lots of re nao and generally acting like baboons. I’m sure Henan has plenty of suitable street corners on which to indulge in a squat and a shout, why bother going all the way to Taiwan or anywhere else?

    • coala banana

      “I’m sure Henan has plenty of suitable street corners on which to indulge in a squat and a shout, why bother going all the way to Taiwan or anywhere else?”

      maybe, so they can brag about ??? Their priorities are set different.

      We can also take westerners by example, which travel to the other side of the globe just to hang out in a hotel and cook themselves on a sandy beach. I never understood that too.

      Chinese like to talk and to brag about all kind of shit. Take business people by example, while we westerners keep quite and secretive when talking about money (fuck, we try not to talk about it at all), a chinese don’t make a big deal out of it about how much he has paid for something or how much he earns.

      They like to be in groups, they like to make noise, and yes, they also don’t care much about all the dirt and damage they leave behind to environment and nature. Its just not on top of their priority list.

      “Just look at them. You can tell they’d be just as happy being gathered on a large cardboard sheet on the floor slapping down playing cards, or sitting on plastic stools outside”

      they do that too when they travel !

      see, there way of traveling differs a lot from a westerners way of discovering. One just like to see, make one or the other pic, so he can brag about once he comes home, and the other like to look behind the scenes and probably even learn a bit to two about the particular culture and people.

      I haven’t been much abroad in the last 7 years, but the chinese i have seen in europe and US, behave just normal, make a bit noise, but apart from that, they are ok. The ones i can see in Hong Kong are TERRIBLE, fucking dumb and disgusting, its maybe cause every small fuck from SZ can not cross the border to “have a look”, so this quality of tourist is of course worst then the ones which can afford to travel abroad, cause that requires money, and one can assume that with money comes at least a bit of responsibility and maybe even education, at least more then compared to the ordinary HK chinese tourist.

      I think it will get better with the time, just wait for another 50-100 years maybe….

      Oh, and before i forget, the chinese visiting attraction in their own country are the most ignorant. I remember when i was visiting the great wall years ago. Even there they throw away their garbage, and let their dumb ass kids pee and poo in one or the other tower. They also throw stones at bears in the zoo, just to make them move for them, they even give stones to their kids so they can throw them too. Bears which are chained under bad conditions. Damn, how many times i have wished that one of the bears would be able to catch one of them and eat him alive.

      Once i have invited 2 dozen of my staff for a BBQ, I made pictures after they left, about how the place looked like afterwards. It looked like a bomb exploded….fuck !

      • Alan

        They also throw stones at bears in the zoo, just to make them move for them, they even give stones to their kids so they can throw them too.

        Morons. No wonder they need to give out leaflets to Chinese tourists bound for SE Asia and Europe.

        Thailand is like a buddhist monastery in comparison.

    • typingfromwork

      It’s not really that different from the way a lot of Brits do holidays- they check into a hotel in the Med for 5 days, and instead of going to see the local attractions or even the beach they sit by the pool all day long, drink endless amounts of booze and eat nothing but fry ups and fish and chips- you know, the kind of thing you’d think they can already do at home every day of their lives. The most exotic thing they get up to would be ordering a cocktail instead of beer and finding out their kid got pregnant after they get back. See also the Germans, who are legendary at taking sunbeds.

      I guess a lot of people just get a kick out of being able to watch TV in a different place. Fucking stupid, but there it is.

      • Bruce Tutty

        At least they are a bit ashamed at having this image of themselves, but yes, there are provincial people in all countries.

  • staylost

    Give China time. 100 years ago it was the uncouth Americans going to Europe and being inconsiderate. Now the United States is the home of world culture.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if China is able to do this more quickly and with fewer wars.

    At the same time, it is strange. I don’t really know what modern Chinese high culture looks like. I know a ton of sensible and great people in China (both within and without the Party), but I’m not sure if they are admired as people that should be looked up to by the masses.

    • mystery_man

      “Give China time.”

      Exactly. In time, the old generation will pass away. The young will take over, hopefully with new gained wisdom!

    • terroir

      The USA isn’t 5000 years old. As the US is a nation of immigrants, it has learned to adapt very well to the changing tides of time and fashion. Of course, that whole slavery thing will always be unresolved and forever be immeshed in the American consciousness.

      As empires, the USA and China have defined themselves to a great deal by what they are not – foreigners. That said, the US has depended upon a lot of wars since its inception, and so it also figures that China will do so as well, neccessitating a need for its hard power.

      China is changing. Chinese people is changing. But the “Chinese essence” won’t change – this is what makes Chinese people Chinese. Chinese territories like HK and Taiwan have incorporated this “Chinese essence” into their modern societies to become functioning modern societies of rule of law (well, mostly). That said, these other places don’t depend upon this “Chinese essence” as a tool to maintain political control.

      So. It’s not whether “Can China change?” or “Will it change?”, but rather “Is it allowed to change?” A neighborhood of old folks in pyjamas who are required to be legislated out of them points to the answer “no”.

      People in China elevate themselves on a personal level. Because a billion people asking questions about what is right or wrong is bad for the status quo of power and money.

    • Ruaraidh

      What, are you joking? Sure Americans are more graceful tourists than mainland Chinese, but for every charming American traveler, there is an inconsiderate retard. Americans wandering around ‘Edinberg’, wearing fake polyester ‘kilts’ shouting about Murrika or telling strangers about how they’re from the ‘Weinstein’ clan or some shit is still all too common. Only yesterday I got held up by an a pair of American planets, who thought it was a good idea to stop their car in the middle of a fairly busy road, lean out the window and take pictures of the medieval buildings, whilst shouting to each other about how quaint it all was.

      A friend of mine lived in a medieval village called Avebury, It’s really beautiful in itself but the main attraction is that its about 15 miles away from stonehenge and the actual village is built inside a massive stone circle. His garden was walled and gated, but Americans quite often climb into his front garden and start having a picnic. It happened so often his family actually installed sprinklers, so they could chase them off without having a confrontation.

      • A GUY

        I’m American and most of us are polite abroad, but you always have retards.

        +1 (Tourists are always a pain no matter the country of origin)

        • Ruaraidh

          I’ve met loads of nice American travelers, I think it’s just a matter of educational level. I suppose we’re lucky most of your retarded masses are too insular to even hold a passport, let alone cross the Atlantic.

          • Little Wolf

            It’s not about Americans being insular. USA is a big country with every kind of landscape, plenty of interesting things to do and beautiful scenery. Not to mention, a US driver license is all you need to enter most of the Caribbean, Mexico and Canada. Don’t hate on my sister for not having a passport cause she’d rather have fun in Las Vegas or Cabo than look at a bunch of sheep and and cows tinkling their bells in the Scottish countryside. She’s real fucking far from being retarded. I lived in Europe for 3 years and it’s not that big of a deal. Getting uppity that Europeans have more passports than Americans…that’s retarded. Even now , with the European Union, a passport is pretty much necessary for getting around Europe (a whole continent that is smaller than the US)

      • Alan

        A friend of mine lived in a medieval village called Avebury, It’s really beautiful in itself

        Ah the west country, wonderful place.

    • Bruce Tutty

      Home of World Culture?…i don’t think so, they are just the loudest ones.

      If you go to other countries there is always a Starbucks or a McDeath, but this doesn’t mean the culture is any different.

      • Ami

        America has globally influenced things like fashion,movies and certainly music. Too say otherwise would be unrealistic. Just because a culture hasn’t changed completely doesn’t mean they haven’t changed.

  • Rick in China

    Haha, best part is the mainland response, “maybe someone is intentionally trying to frame us.”

    I agree! Taiwan tourist attractions have all the cause in the world to try to frame mainland tourists for carving “was here” messages into leaves. What a scandal it would cause! Wonderful.

    Mainlanders travel around with the utmost politeness and respect for nature. What are these Taiwan fraudsters up to! How can they dare consider Chinese mainland tourists as not caring about the environment in a foreign land? (Is Taiwan a foreign land?) They don’t give a shit about their own country’s environment or rules, but MOST DEFINITELY respect all other nations’.

    • Alejandro

      Rick when did you get to China? a few weeks ago, I suppose. Welcome ! and enjoy your stay. But you should do your homework before speaking like this.

      • mankouzanghua

        Alejandro, please meet sarcasm. Sarcasm, this is Alejandro. In the future, as you pass one another, I hope you can give one other a knowing smile — a casual wink even — enjoy the meeting, and continue on with your day.

      • kaka

        it’s not literal Alejandro, it’s called sarcasm…

        … unless you’re communicating with Americans – where they have a separate “sarcasm tone” to make it easy for people to appreciate when sarcasm is being used, much like the technically incorrect “half-stress” placed on the final syllable of a word – you’ll find it’s extremely common in English conversation and often delivered in a “dead-pan” fashion for increased personal amusement – especially when someone takes a sarcastic comment literally, as you did…

        • A GUY

          Hello kaka. I’m suuuure thaat aalll Americans use soooome oother tone to emphasize their sarcaaaastic remarks.

    • jeffli

      I think no one is “framing” Chinese mainlanders.
      There are lots of of nice people here and I’ve had the pleasure to travel abroad with many.

      But just like you get your
      “Hillbillies” (US) ,
      “Westies” (Sydney western suburbs Anglo background bastards at childbirth)
      “Ost Schweinhunde” (uneducated east Germans)
      “Gypsies” (any wacker east of London without a fixed address and poorly designed gold front teeth)

      This list goes on but not appropriate here, but pray dear reader let me not forget and allow to join the list – ChinaSmacks dearest Cloaca Bandanna and his sidekick Dirty “moopsie” Sanchez and compadres.
      (Very Spanish …quite Don Quixote one fears to muse.) Haw haw haw Gosh! What! Fair Dinkum?

      Every nation has its “bad eggs”, We notice the Chinese bad eggs a lot more as absolute figures belie the ratios! China does have a lot of issues regarding general educational and cultural level.
      (Many 50 to 60 year olds in China missed school during the cultural revolution, they have transferred part of this cultural void to their offsprings -upbringing and lack of sound general education is not an excuse but is a valid reason)

      As ChinaSmack is witness to several elderly partially senile “Western” men using the “C word” toward a lady here (another thread), one could deduce ALL “Western” men treat women badly, but no, that is not the case. Just two or three out of this group of threads population of males. Their reason is their wives beat them. Still it is no excuse. Quite!

      • Bruce Tutty

        you get a lot of hill-billies in a billion people…so where is the influence of the real Chinese to be seen?

        I for one would be happy if China was able to present its best to the world, but if this exists it seems to be drowning in the flood of commonality

      • donscarletti

        With all of the vile name calling going on in this forum of late, are we really going to have our monocle drop into our brandy glass over someone using the “C word”, in front of a lady no less.

        • A GUY

          I would never say Coala Banana.

  • mingbai

    so many westerners get chinese tatoos. i wonder how many of them say ‘xiaolong, hunan’
    maybe the plants though they were getting some cool tatoo, like ‘green fist’ or something like that

  • radbab

    No surprise here. Same behaviour happens in Hong Kong’s Ocean park aquarium. Tons of signs to not use flash photography, tons of mainlanders and especially their kids using flash photography on the animals.
    Of course if you remind them they’ll just get angry at you.

  • 愛女者


    • Jay K.

      I am actually wanting chinasmack and fauna to post this on netease or some other major chinese bbs site. at least people can figure this out in mainland.

    • donscarletti


  • Alejandro

    It’s funny, when I show my students a (western) map of China, they ask me why Taiwan is showed in a different color. I say it’s not my problem, to “save face” at my job, and also because I don’t know how to explain that Taiwanese people like freedom of press, freedom of expression and don’t like to be oppressed and ruled by capitalist tyrants, like mainland China.

    Let me tell you a 3-in-1 anecdote:
    1.- Flying back from the new tear in my beloved and quiet/blue sky/good food/great wine/ Argentina, had one 8-hour stop in Frankfurt and while we all were in line waiting to board the plane Chinese lady behind me was pushing forwards like she was in beijing taking the bus, I only sighed (can’t catch a break) … and she made fun of my sigh! So I turned around and said -loudly but calm- THIS IS NOT FUCKING CHINA, STOP PUSHING-, she went all mellow on me sand said “I am in a hurry” which to I replied -loudly- ” I DON’T CARE, YOU NEED TO BEHAVE”. Lady said nothing, but behaved. After boarding the plane, the attendants were really nice and gave everyone a small Toblerone chocolate bar. Thing is while we were flying over Syberia (2am more or less, everyone sleeping except me, I can’t sleep on the plane) -needless to say- Mainland guy stood up with a big plastic bag, went to where they keep the food and beverages and somehow managed to find the box of chocolate. Suddenly some people (including me) started to realize he was carelessly looting all the chocolate from the box into his plastic bag. German 2-meter tall attendant got pissed off and went all Hitler on him shouting to the guy -in loud german- to put the chocolate back in the box. Nothing funnier than a German chastising episode. Everything went back to normal after that, until we landed. As soon as the plane touched the ground, another guy -needless to say, Mainland Chinese- stands up to get his luggage and all the chinese (airplane full of them) stood up at the same time to get their luggage as well, then “Hitler” showed up again and made them all sit down, but this time in English. I managed to ask him that if he had some extra chocolate , please give them to me. He actually did gave me around 10 bars of it, which made me happy and my girlfriend even happier – she was waiting for me at the airport.

    Before I make this too long, I have an extra anecdote. Some government guy friend of ours claimed he owned a mountain close to where I live -in Jilin province- and he did ! he even had a little but cozy resort set up. He invited us for free so we decided to go and spend the weekend. Gorgeous scene, that night we made a bonfire, got drunk and all, first time I saw so many stars in China. Next morning when I woke up early to climb the mountain I didn’t realize he had invited the whole villagers from the town right next to it for the Mountain-resort Grand opening (and we were the foreign faces backing him up). Thing is I climbed the mountain before the villagers did, and everything was clean and beautiful. Spent around 1-2 hours on the top and when -needless to say- people started to show up, trash started to pile up. my way down the mountain was a horrible experience, seeing people stop half-way up to eat all kinds of shit they brought from their town and throw the trash all around. Later that day I asked our friend, having such a beautiful scene, why do people behave like this? He said “China needs more education than money and it will take 30-40 years to regulate this situation”. Holy Jesus Dumpster Christ he was right.

    HOWEVER——> that doesn’t give them the right to behave that way overseas. Mostly because the chinese who can afford it are supposed to be “civilized” people.

    PS: funny stupid 2nd-generation bitches wearing gucci holding iphones making a fuss at the airport didn’t know they had economy coach, went to the First-class queue and got sent back to economy while everyone was watching. I have more anecdotes but it’s enough for today.

    • coala banana

      it just shows how difficult it is for many of them to use common sense and rational thinking. She should KNOW that she has a fixed seat and she should KNOW that the plane will not depart without her or anyone else who is waiting in line. Same once the plane hits the ground, I saw that too many times, they should KNOW that they can anyway not get out of the plane before the doors are opened, so why the hurry ?

      No, it is what it is, they want to be the first one in (or at leads before the one standing in front of them), and the first one out ! It means something to them !!! Learned from their parents while they were small, and their children will learn from them, and so on……30-40 years..??? looking at the very young generation now a days, I will not hold my breath that this situation will improve anytime soon !

    • Alan

      German 2-meter tall attendant got pissed off and went all Hitler on him shouting to the guy -in loud german- to put the chocolate back in the box. Nothing funnier than a German chastising episode. Everything went back to normal after that, until we landed. As soon as the plane touched the ground, another guy -needless to say, Mainland Chinese- stands up to get his luggage and all the chinese (airplane full of them) stood up at the same time to get their luggage as well, then “Hitler” showed up again and made them all sit down, but this time in English.

      That’s a funny story. Would have loved to have seen the choco stealing chinese guy caught red handed by the aryan airline attendant.


  • Alejandro

    Forgot to say – Australians/ US citizens/ British and some other Europeans, be careful before you criticize. ‘Cause I’m tired of being told “no foreigners at this hotel”. One of you pulled some shit there and they blew it for the rest of us. Chinese exaggerate with their Xenophobia, but they have their -well justified- reasons.

    • mr. wiener

      I try to be mindful I am a guest here, and behave as such.

    • jeffli

      I have travelled across the outback of Australia with a veritable gaggle-mix of of “foreigners” (looked like half the UN was with me lol).
      We stayed in Pub/Bed and breakfast accommodation, caravan parks by the sea and 5 star hotels. While I did on occasion hear racist quips by the locals in different regions, we were never refused accommodation based on the country of origin.

      If this has happened to you and your travelling companions please do tell the details.
      I’ll make a note to not go there too!
      Also you can report this to the Tourism board, even the state ombudsman in Australia

      Other countries……..well I’ve been called gringo, whitey, ‘ol ghost, refused service at establishments, no problem I go to the next one.
      Yet in these other countries I’ve been to, there is no escalation process against racism.
      Its lack of general culture and education that is to blame.

      If I’m at a zoo and some idiot is throwing stones at a defenceless animal
      or at a tourist destination and some idiot decides to deface it or litter it then idiots get what’s coming to them!

      • Notorious

        Alexjandro, iIn the U.S. you can sue and get the parties fined by the government if someone violated your civil rights by refusing to give you accommodations based on the fact the fact that you were a foreigner. Sorry that happened to you and that you had to experience that.

    • donscarletti

      No foreigners at a hotel is because that hotel is not registered with the Public Security Bureau to register foreigners.

      Usually it is because it is a very cheap and crappy hotel, usually ones called 旅馆 are not registered for foreign guests and the ones called 酒店 are.

      The PSB in general will not register sub 3 star establishment for foreign guests, even if they have the paperwork. The main reason is face, a foreign tourist should see the best hotels and eat the best food and tell all of his friends how advanced China is, with immaculately presented and handsome/pretty staff who speak English. This level of service roughly the same price as a very low budget holiday in Europe anyway and the China has no interest in being seen as a low budget option (despite having very cheap cost of living in the countryside). So if you don’t have the money, they would suggest that you might go fuck yourself.

      • anon

        Haha, yes, its true that certain lodgings are deemed unfit to receive foreigners, but I strongly want to disagree on 3-star Chinese hotels being the “best” hotels, having the “best” food, showing how “advanced” China is, or having immaculately presented and handsome/pretty staff who speak English. I know what you’re getting at of course, but I just want to temper it a bit, because 3-star is, well, 3-star.

      • Dr. Jones Jr.

        That said, any given town with those low-class luguan that won’t accept foreigners should have at least a few other low-class luguan that will take you (off the books). I’ve learned to just keep walking a bit, poking about; eventually someone will defy the PSB for money.

        Speaking of which, a shout out to Sanjiang, Guangxi province! Thank you, little family-owned luguan for defying your government on behalf of me (and my money). It’s the little things that give me hope. All the reasonably-priced places near the bus station had been thoroughly cowed, but apparently the PSB didn’t think foreigners would be willing to walk half a mile to find better prices.

    • Anon

      Foreigners are not allowed at hotels that the government deems unqualified to take them in, not because previous guests made a scene.

    • Little Wolf

      That’s not because foreigners pulled some shit there. There are still alot of hotels(especially low budget) that are simply not allowed to have foreigners.

      Hell, I had food poisoning and was deathly ill and pulled into a motel in Malibu to sleep it off and was refused a room when the owner saw my surfboard on the roof of my Jeep and told me bluntly “NO SURFERS ALLOWED”

      Goddam surfers…

      • Alan

        Charlie don’t surf and we think he should Charlie don’t surf and you know that it AIN’T NO GOOD!

        Digging your surfing vibe lil wolf…

    • Alan

      but they have their -well justified- reasons.

      Such as? Westerner guy shagging a chinese chick in a hotel room?

      Or being drunken assholes?

      I have heard plenty of noisy chinese in hotels, and the fuyuan has been shocked to hear me complain, because, shock horror, I had the audacity to want some peace and quiet to sleep.

      While chinese like to go to bed late and wake up early and then take a catnap in the afternoon, they have to realise westerners are different, a solid eight hours each night, perhaps a brief nap at lunch, and that’s it.

  • typingfromwork

    Carving shit onto things in tourist spots is somewhat of a grand tradition all over the world. You should see the number of names written in permanent markers all over statues in Paris. I think it’s fucking antisocial of course, so I don’t condone it anywhere. Writing on some plants though does take the biscuit somewhat for being WTF.

  • BOKU

    I am not surprised seeing Mainlander behaves like that
    While I was visiting China
    I saw the local tourist also does not respect their own land
    In the end, it is sad to say Mainlander just being Mainlander
    You could not apply common sense into those people

  • Notorious

    What’s sad about this is that they ruined the lifespan of a lush beautiful green tree/plant. If you must vandalize or engrave your name in something, take another rock and engrave your words into a stone or a slab of concrete.


    • A GUY

      Or a bathroom wall.

      ^ the classic

  • wzy0136

    Asshole This Kind of Chinese.

  • Jack

    河南 or 阿南?

  • Alt-Z

    While I understand the contempt people have toward such PRC Chinese behavior, I don’t think it should be attributed to traditional Chinese culture. It is mostly the result of over 60 years of being ruled by a peasant regime. Some aspects of that “5000 years of culture” are quite decent.

    • pervertt

      Well said. I might add that they were ruled by an uncouth peasant regime that saw no value in polished behaviour. There are lots of peasants who are well behaved compared to their ill-mannered urban cousins.

    • Made In World

      Absolutely! The last 60 years would be like centuries for other nations. Freedoms, especially the freedom of speech and even thought, has never been available. It’s hard, sometimes, for us to understand what that’s like.

      Not to mention the absolute lack of law and law enforcement.

      It’s crazy. I really dislike the part of myself that dislikes Chinese. I try to change my mindset. I try say “it’s just a few”. I try to understand it. I try to say it’s culture difference.

      Stories like this don’t help. It’s definitively not all of them, as I have many Chinese friends.

      Now I’m just rambling…

    • thekills

      Yes. In fact, manners were considered “bourgeois” and people were encouraged to abandon them.

  • pc

    This is truly disgusting!!
    To all the mainlanders out there that like to travel:
    Deface your home country as much as you want…but have the consideration and human decency to respect someon elses home!!
    Shame on you China!!

    • Made In World

      Where I come from certainly gets a lot of Chinese tourists, and I don’t recall ever hearing any bad stories about them. Biggest problem we get is local teens vandalizing from time to time…

      At the same time, I was surprised to see so much graffiti on the Great Wall. Maybe it’s because Taiwan is “theirs” now.

  • thekills

    This is the paradox about living in China. While people live under an oppressive regime that curtails your civil rights, people are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t interfere with the government’s idea of a “harmonious society”. It’s OK to drive against opposing traffic, but it’s not OK to use Facebook.

    • Made In World

      It’s an authoritative anarchy

    • Alan

      It’s OK to drive against opposing traffic, but it’s not OK to use Facebook.

      LOL! Well said.

      I might have to make a video of the insane so called orderly flow of traffic in my current locale.

      No matter how many traffic cops with whistles,it is still a madhouse, lol.

  • xiaohouzi

    It’s very sad that so many Chinese give China such a bad name while some are really great and unfortunately, overlooked. One of my favourite places to go is Laoshan near Qingdao where i can’t ignore when Chinese throw their garbage or cigarettes along the dense, forested trails. If i don’t say something, i have to pick it up in front of them and show them where the rubbish bins are located yet so many still don’t seem to understand this simple concept. What’s worse is visiting the Great Wall where many signs read, “don’t deface the wall” in both English and Chinese yet Chinese, not English words are carved all over the wall. Signs also read, “no smoking” or “no littering” yet plenty of douche-bags are smoking and throwing their cigarettes and garbage all over the place as if they hate China. I tell them, “ï love China”. “You don’t”. This behaviour is not tolerated in the west, thank civility and i hope it very soon won’t be tolerated in China either.

  • wendy

    well they have gone and done it! now the Taiwanese and Hong Kong citizens are tired of Chinese tourists. why are chinese people so rude, granted not all are, there are some wonderful chinese people, but many are rude. in the u.s. you can see them spitting everywhere, talking loudly, and being disrespectful. China should have a curriculum on etiquette

  • hacienda

    the animals are coming!
    the plague horde is advancing!

    • Dr SUN


      The barbarians are coming to spit, piss and deface the world.

      “The great leap forward” to represent the good of the “Cultural revolution” and the now “Harmonious market society with Chinese Characteristics”

  • Dennis

    Fools names and fools faces are often found in foolish places.

    • Dr SUN

      nice post troll , LOL

  • linette

    …………….Those bastard tourists who go traveling on public money are truly without character! Not long ago, several Anhui female civil servants even stole the life preservers from the flight they were on!………………….

    China Chinese….tsk tsk tsk..frightening. You wonder why the Hong Kong people are terrified of them when they come visit Hong kong in bus loads. They swamped Hong Kong vandalizing leaving garbages and stuff I can’t even say it out loud.

  • Alex

    Lets not let the behavior of a few affect the reputation of the majority.