Beijing University Student Embarrasses Japanese Reporter

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From Mop:

A Beijing University Chinese student’s responses to a Japanese reporter, without a single dirty word, his admonishment brought applause from the entire venue…

Ozawa Ichiro of the Kyodo News Agency came to Peking University to conduct interviews. At the entry to the south pavilion (the international co operation section), Ozawa Ichirou interviewed a short guy (could someone confirm that he’s from the department of international affairs?). The following is an accurate record of the interview.

Question: Do you support the view or action of boycotting Japanese goods?

Answer: Everyone is an individual, every individual is free. I cannot change other people’s thinking, and have no right to control other people’s actions.

Q: How would you characterise the Sino-Japanese relationship?

A: Looking at it objectively, it’s a relationship of mutual benefit.

Q: From the point of view of a student, what do you think is the greatest obstacle between the two countries?

A: Obviously, the Japanese have, in many ways, said and done many things which are mistakes, and these we cannot accept or tolerate! In short, improving the Sino-Japanese relationship requires the Japanese side to acknowledge history, and bring forth goodwill and sincerity.

Q: Do you personally use Japanese goods?

A: Yep, a toilet. (Laughter amongst the students present)

Q: Well then, tell me, why are Japanese toilet bowls better than Chinese ones?

A: In China, we don’t discuss things like this, talking about such things in public is very abnormal/perverse. (Laughter) Of course, I don’t know if you are used to doing this, or if your country is. (Laugther)

Q: With regard to the history problem, is there any way for both China and Japan to put down this heavy “burden”?

A: Please watch your wording! I don’t agree with how you’ve put the question. The question implicitly casts China in an unfavourable light. From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue. For this reason we acknowledge history without bias, but would never repay unkindness with unkindness. We tolerate reconciliation, including with Japan. Please tell me, what is China and the Chinese people’s “heavy burden”? Have the Chinese people ever done something unforgivable to Japan? The issue is precisely the invasion of China, the heinous crimes of the Japanese who don’t acknowledge history, burning, killing, and plundering in China, madly exterminating the Chinese people. The criminal Japanese don’t acknowledge their crimes or make reparations to China and the Chinese people, and are even trying to expand their overseas military capabilities, split China, seize China’s land, infuriating the Chinese people. There is too much of this kind of historical fact. Can you tell me, is this the historical burden China carries? (Applause from students)

Q: I also often watch the news, and recently, Chinese manufacturing accidents have been frequent, and I presume the death rate is not low either?

A: Just like your country, everyone dies once. (Laughter, applause)

Q: In China’s university campuses, student suicides happen frequently, again and again, why is this?

A: Actually, the country with the most student suicides is your country. Many bizarre methods of suicide were invented by you guys. In a UN report, Japan’s suicide rate was ranked number one. I don’t know what sufficient evidence you have to prove the suicide incidents in my country’s the university campuses. Chairman Mao Zedong had a famous saying: “If you haven’t investigated, you don’t have a right to talk”. I hope you write an objective and true report. With regard to the words that you just used in your question I must correct you, in Chinese Mandarin, “frequently” and “again and again” is redundant, a mistake. Moreover, what you said does not match the reality! (Applause)

Q: In Japan, Chinese study abroad students have illegally stolen Japan’s state secrets, do you know about that?

A: I am unable to to verify the your information’s accuracy and authenticity. This kind of absurd allegation is as ridiculous as Bush invading Iraq because Saddam stole his pressure cooker! (big laugh from audience)

Brothers, do as you see fit. If you hope more people can see this, just ding. Thank you.

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Comments from Mop:

dq07280906:

The entire world knows.

panther1137:

Ding.

怒砸教育部:

“wm” [wu mao]. I do not believe Beida [Beijing University] students are able to speak on this level.

恋恋清晨:

I ding! This kind of university student is worthy of me learning from!

宇文铁弗:

The angrier they yell, the faster they betray~

mmilu0:

I’m a little suspicious, were these really the answers of a student…although, I’d rather believe this is real.

哥背手尿尿不服你:

Ding! Those dastardly shameless Japs can all die!

lzyhonest:

No images, no truth.

风流小马:

This guy’s a great diplomat.

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我不信这个名也注不上

I ding!
I strongly ding!
I love the country, love the Party, love the People!!! I just don’t love those so-called “servants of the people”!

中国制造,吉林特产:

If he doesn’t become a diplomat it would be the country’s loss.

anita_119:

I ding! with all my might!

十万伙计:

Let’s forward this to the Department of Foreign Affairs.

施主你今天扑了吗:

So the real reason Bush invaded Iraq was because Saddam stole his pressure cooker??

wu7401925:

As soon as I read it, I knew it was fake.

SBE:

Any video? Otherwise, I don’t believe it.

蒙古摸金狼:

Could a Peking Uni bookworm/nerd really say something like this?

宝儿是WJ:

Years of experience tells me: This definitely is not something some Peking University student is able to say, and is probably some talened netizen.

果粒AV优:

Seems a bit fake.

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  1. second…old stuff…

  2. first
    and if this is real, im amazed.
    he pretty much owned the reporter.

    • Owned, in what way? If it was real, his answers seem to be hollow antagonism rather than substance or real humor. Refer to Kai’s comment below.

      • Mike, you never played online games. To own somebody is gamer slang for defeating, killing etc. in computer games, especially cometitive player vs. player games.

        • aquadraht, you never learned the subtleties of the English language. I wasn’t asking what owned meant, I was asking in what way was the Japanese reporter owned. I’d say that was apparent to everyone but you. I’d say being as slow as you are you’d get owned in CS by my granny; she’d even teabag you if it was anatomically possible. To clarify granny is slang for grandma, who obviously because of her age and the perception that old ladies can’t use computers well let alone play first-person shooters, should likely suck at CS(that’s gamers’ talk for Counter Strike) and if she sucks so bad, yet can still beat you, that means you suck really bad. Get it? And well, teabagging, that’s… nevermind, it’s wasted on you.

          • What a stupid bull. Maybe my knowledge of English subtleties is below yours, or just not, doesn’t matter anyway. I guess you’re American as Brits have somewhat more class, yet remember we are posting in an environment where many are not native English speakers, and many even are speaking more languages than just one like you.

          • No need to be aggro…”dude”

          • aquadraht on the brain…

            1. You threw the first punch by insulting my online gaming skills
            2. You were the one who thought they should give an English lesson
            3. You are the one being very unclassy by suggesting the only people who use English in a witty yet slightly mean-spirited way are Brits and Yanks
            4. You are the one being extra unclassy by stereotyping Americans, poopoo
            5. I actually assumed you were a native English speaker, just a slightly obnoxious retarded one
            6. I can trash talk you in many languages, you pick…

    • I don’t think he owned anyone. In fact, I think it just showed how worthless it can be to interview students sometimes…

  3. third, man, why are we reading what we all already know?

  4. Obviously fake

    It’d be nice to have an objective poll on these sites so we could see how many people believed it was actually real

  5. I would probably say it is fake, not because of the answers just because of the questions.

    Two sentences stand out for me:
    1. ‘we acknowledge history without bias‘
    2. ‘If you haven’t investigated, you don’t have a right to talk’

    Me thinks he should take Mao’s advice on the first sentence.

  6. He didn’t “own” the reporter. In fact it’s ridiculous. His words are ridiculous. There are so many points of contest, plus, *duh*, the reporter had a SET of questions to go through, notice he didn’t COMMENT on the answers, only continued with questions? *yaaaawn*, it wasn’t an argument, it was an opinion piece, and the kids words are not nearly as wise as people seem to think if you do even a little bit of analysis and ignore the “APPLAUSE APPLAUSE” from the other mindless sheep.

  7. NEWSFLASH: History is made, a Chinaman manages to discuss politics with a foreigner without making a complete fool of himself!

    • I disagree, I think the Chinese student in this story started off well and then rapidly descended into douchebag territory. I guess he didn’t make a “complete” fool of himself, and he could’ve done far worse (as many of us have all seen before), but he quickly became a jackass.

      I’m pretty certain this story is a fake. I’m not super familiar with the journalists of “Kyodo News Agency” but isn’t Ichiro Ozawa the former president of the Democratic Party of Japan? Yes, yes he was. I don’t think he was ever a journalist. Maybe there’s another Ichiro Ozawa who is?

      This entire story loses it at the toilet joke. It isn’t impossible, and while there certainly would’ve been plenty of laughs amongst a Chinese crowd that historically maintains reservations against the Japanese, that would be extremely poor form for Beijing University students and the Beijing University for hosting a guest, even a Japanese one.

      From that point on, the kid stops giving genuinely responding to the journalist’s questions and instead just twists them into obnoxious retorts purely aimed to make a fool of the Japanese journalist. Even following a script, I’d have a difficult time believing any reporter would continue what has already blatantly become a farce. What’s the journalist’s motivation in persisting with an uncooperative interviewee offering responses that have no value? What’s he going to do with them?

      As Rick in China notes, the reporter doesn’t really respond to the answers the student is portrayed as giving. The reporter is caracitured as a punching bag, existing eventually only to be humiliated by the student. His “questions” are less questions than set-ups for the student’s punchlines. Ridiculous.

      Of course, I’m not saying such a ridiculously stupid exchange didn’t happen, because I’ve seen such stupidity happen plenty of times. It’s just that I rarely see such protracted stupidity unfold in this context. It’s so one-sided we’d have to force ourselves to believe the reporter is brain-dead to have put himself through such a thrashing.

      And yes, it was a thrashing, but not because the student’s responses made any hard-hitting points. It was a thrashing only because it was presented as one, with the cheering and the reporter being that punching-bag, not responding to the obvious evasion, and even making what appears to be criticisms of the Chinese.

      As disappointing as it is for so many pathetic Chinese netizens to get all riled up and ecstatic with this story of some Chinese kid putting some Japanese reporter in his place, I’m thankful there were plenty of Chinese netizens with enough brains to agree this is totally fake. If this really happened, I’m not sure who I’d bitchslap upside the head first, the punkass dipshit student or the dumbass Japanese reporter.

      But then again, I do have two arms.

  8. The answers feels like they came from a press secretary, sticking to talking points, not accepting premises, answering with a witty retort etc, seems fake.

  9. What the fuck kind of bias ass report was this Japanese news agency going to publish.

    I believe he did own the reporter. He responded rightly so with ridiculous answers to ridiculous questions. The one-sided implications of the reporter’s questions deserve nothing but ridicule.

  10. The Chinese student gave considered answers to tough questions from the Japanese reporter. They weren’t offensive but to rebuff the Japanese reporter as you can see he was trying to dig dirt after the initial questions about how relationships can improve. Could have been worse, at least both sides can’t call it a decisive win or a loss.

    • As far as the Chinese crowd in this supposed story is concerned, it was a decisive win for the Chinese student.

      I agree the student gave “considered” answers, always presenting something that not only redirected the spotlight back onto the Japanese but also in a negative way.

      I do agree the Japanese reporter’s questions in the end seemed aggressive or could be interpreted as such, aimed perhaps to get the Chinese to discuss/acknowledge/admit their own problems (embarrassingly in front of outsiders like the Japanese no less), but I’m far more certain this entire thing is a fabrication unless someone can dig up some supporting evidence.

      Again, I do think a stupid exchange like this could happen, I just don’t think people need to make one up.

      • I agree with Kai. This is definitely fake. If it is not fake, the Chinese student made an ass out of himself. He actually owned himself. Another reason why it’s fake is due to reporters from Japan not being THAT stupid…

      • Well put as usual, Kai. Stupid exchanges like this DO happen.

        People don’t need to make stuff up. And I wonder how one could have an orderly dialogue like this in the middle of the street?

  11. Maybe that’s something we have already known,but the theme is unfading.

  12. Typical arrogant Chinese student, not taking an opportunity seriously and being rude to a guest.

  13. Faaaaaake, I read this ages ago. Sometimes it feels like at least half the Chinese internet is made up of reposted YY material.

  14. “own” the reporter?
    ridiculous.

    “um…yeah, a toilet! har-har-har!”
    is that supposed to be funny because he takes a shit in it?
    like every day for the guy is “take THAT japan! you dont say ‘sorry’? i shit on you!”
    wow. thats, like, super smart and witty!
    after THAT, remark he proceeds to poke fun at japanese perversion?
    HA!

    right, every fucking chinois uses chinese cameras
    to take the most awful photos everywhere they go. sure!
    im pretty sure 90% of the equipment used for the interview was japanese…

    also, the guy (like most chinese on this matter)
    has such a chip on his shoulder,
    he doesnt even get the ‘burden’ question.

    “what!? WE have a burden!?!?! YOU have a burden!
    since japan entered china with animal soldiers and killed and raped and….
    whaaa, whaa, whaaa!”
    how is this guy seen to be the clever ‘owning’ type?

    id say this post of mine right here is more ‘owning’ the guy than anything he said to the nip.

    all in all, shit questions, even shittier answers.
    fake.

  15. I honestly doubt this is real. But anyways there are quite alot of videos on youtube where Japanese ppl make fun of Chinese ppl there. Inviting them on to talk shows, just to embarrass them and air them on TV. So honestly good job if this is really an ownage by a Chinese on Japanese. Cuz as far as owning goes, Japan is still leading the race.

    (Btw, press my name and you will see Mao Tse Tung)

  16. Who here ever remembers loosing an argument? It@s like our minds automatically edit our memories to make us look like the winners, no matter whether we got owned or not. As such, I think that this argument could well have taken place, but not as reported here with the Japanese `reporter` (who for a reporter seems very keen to assert his own opinion) simple setting up straw-men for the heroic Chinese student to knock down (“why are Japanese toilet bowls better than Chinese ones?” – give me a break!). Finally, the whole `boycott Japan` thing was way back in 2005, so I`m guessing that this piece is at least that old. Keen observers may notice how similar the `reporter`s` style of argument is to the French passenger from this piece:

    http://www.chinasmack.com/stories/young-girl-argues-with-anti-chinese-french-on-airplane/

    So I`m guessing that the sterotype of the “arrogant” unreasoning foreigner is still very much in effect.

    • I recall the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog. Apparently, someone even pointed her to chinaSMACK and she proceeded to get angry that chinaSMACK translated and reposted her blog post without her permission. Of course, she didn’t understand that chinaSMACK was merely translating and reposting what had already been reposted across a bunch of Chinese forums already.

      Personally, save for a few of the questions in the above story, I didn’t think the Japanese reporter was that strongly presented as “arrogant” and “unreasoning”. The story only makes him seem like he’s trying to make petty criticisms of China, what with the industrial accidents and college suicide questions.

      • Legitimately, Japan is the leader in toilet research and innovation. This (fake) student should objectively view the world toilet market.

      • Original of anti-chinese french on airplane (post 2009-03-03):

        http://my.backchina.com/space-177161-do-blog-id-26179-page-3.html

        Her response to chinaSMACK comments (post 2009-03-10):

        http://my.backchina.com/space-177161-do-blog-id-26896.html

      • “the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog.”

        There is a difference between something being ‘verified’ as true, and the original post being found – no?

        • FOARP,

          Yes, you’re right, there can be a difference and I didn’t word myself clearly. In fact, I wasn’t entirely correct either now that Fauna’s posted the originals for us.

          For those who can’t read Chinese, it’s the original post of the story translated in the “Young Girl Argues With Anti-Chinese French on Airplane” post, written by the girl/woman involved.

          The second link is another post where the girl/woman was shown chinaSMACK and responds to the commenters on chinaSMACK who don’t believe her and declared the story fake.

          There is, of course, two sides to every story. We don’t know the story of the alleged French people involved in the girl’s story. Either no one has found it or they didn’t feel compelled to blog/talk about it later.

          A lot of people were very quick to declare the story fake, citing a number of arguments about this or that. I was a dissenting voice. It wasn’t because I knew for certain the story to be real, but because 1) I don’t know how people could be absolutely, positively certain the story was fake, and 2) their arguments to support their doubt and conclusions were not very persuasive. I too was skeptical, but I wasn’t willing to go out on a limb and declare with absolute certainty.

          I can certainly understand why some people are eager to dismiss these sort of stories, and there certainly are fake stories like these on the internet, in Chinese and English and whatever language. There are always people from any place bored enough to fabricate shit. Being skeptical is fine. However…

          There is a difference between being eager and being certain – no?

          It behooves those who want to discuss the authenticity of that story to at least consider the available evidence, right? If someone looks over the originals and still disbelieves that the incident happened, or happened as described, well, they have their reasons which they can argue, but they’re premised more on subjective doubt than any objective, available evidence they’ve presented. I just hope it has more to do with particulars of the story than preconceptions and biases for or against the ethnicities and nationalities of the characters involved.

          Take a look, FOARP, Tell me what you think.

          • How about the obviously logical reason that people aren’t going to write stories that make themselves look bad and will adjust the ‘truth’ to edit out their mistakes and often exaggerate or misinterpret actions/words from their ‘opposition’, and that everyone has a very subjective memory of things? Wuh wuh, not back on this topic again, lets move on.

          • Rick has a very good point.
            My take would be that something similar DID happen, but not exactly as the girl describes it.

    • No one else seems to be talking about this – ‘boycott Japan’ was way back in 2005. There has not been any great anti-Japanese movement in the meantime – so why is this post doing the rounds now?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_boycotts_of_Japanese_products

  17. Is this student related to “Young Girl Argues With Anti-Chinese French On Airplane”. Brother maybe?

  18. Ah, FORAP you beat me to it!

  19. Pics or it didn’t happen.

    All I’m sayin’.

  20. God, I get so tired of the Chinese and Koreans, especially the young, flaunting their stupid hatred of the Japanese. Sure, the Japanese can be arrogant and naive at times but they can’t compete with many Chinese on this score. Everyone please get over it and try a little courtesy!

    • Excatly. Chinese youths are becoming a lost cause.

    • “the Japanese can be arrogant and naive at times but they can’t compete with many Chinese on this score.”

      God, I get so tired of racist bastards, especially those online, generalizing a race based on the actions of a few. -__-

      • To be honest, I doubt either of the previous posters made any of these judgements based on the ethnicity of the youths they are talking about, rather its the stubbornness arising from a culture which villifies the Japanese. It’s a generalisation all the same but don’t get morally superior.

        God, I get so tired of superior bastards, especially those online, who don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between critiquing a culture and assuming someones ancestry makes them inherently inferior (i.e. actually Racist)

  21. Fake CCP propaganda. All efforts are made to develop patriotism in China. When they start with Mao quotes you know that the story is more fake than my Nike shoes from the Silk Market

  22. Funny how Beida student lowered himself like that.
    Japan has done horrible things to many pacific nations, not just China. Even the US.
    They suffered enough losses after the bombs.
    If they don’t acknowledge then so be it, Japan will sink down in 2012 anyways ~

    • what the people are mad about dont just reflect on the effects of WWII. Since Japan has begun to rebuild itself with the help of the USA, Japan and China have constantly been “beefing”. What pissed off the Chinese even more (in recent memory) was the fact that they (the Japanese Government) have decided to erase the facts of the brutality of the Japanese military and their actions during world war 2 in their Japanese text books. Not only did they deny the actions of the WWII Japanese Military but in the Japanese text books it instead says that Japan helped the rest of Asia (including China) by civilly occupying them, open up their markets and gave them new ideals. – That’s why the Chinese are mad.

      • Yes, there have been efforts by members of Japan’s modern government, and especially far-right nationalist Japanese, to revise or whitewash aspects of Japan’s WW2 history. However, I think it is best to be clear and rational about our criticisms. This relevant Wikipedia entry is a good start for making sure we don’t overexaggerate. It’s good to criticize possible revisionism in Japanese textbooks, but just remember that China is widely accused of the same thing with other parts of its own history. Hypocrisy doesn’t invalidate valid criticisms, but just keep it in mind.

      • Have you seen the textbooks in Shanghai? At least in Japan you can purchase the Rape of Nanking and similar books in any decent sized book store. How easy is it to get history books in China? Why did I have to buy a history book about China under the table during the Shanghai Literature Festival?

        • well… what about trying to bring it in from abroad… you feel more or less like trying to bring in some cocaine or similar. It is funny that I can not buy Amazon books here in English (not available in this area) and I have to buy in the Chinese Amazon… that does not have those books in catalogue. Whitewashing is much more efficient and present at this side, without comparison… Chinese censorship (internet included) is blatant history whitewashing (starting from the very present)

      • besides the fact that china has done the EXACT same thing with their history books,
        there is one thing you could say about japan.
        the people there have a seriously, absolutely, amazing freedom
        to search and see for themselves what the rest of the world says on any of those matters.
        nobody is blocking a site in japan that says “japanese lie about history!”
        although japanese students may read in their school books fake stuff and glorified military history,
        most japanese are very well aware of what has happened.
        they have protested about it in big numbers. the government there is also aware of the history.
        as the remaining people that took part in the military actions of japan in those days,
        die off,
        japan will slowly open up to it.
        they do really take seriously the respect they need to show for someone willing to die for their country.
        they would never call an 80 year old veteran a ‘killer’ and nothing else than a ‘hero’ in their books.
        i think, at least until the vet is long dead.
        most of them have gone through the same ‘i hate my grandparents’ generation like the germans did.

        the chinese are mad because they are told to be mad. you’re not a good chinese if you dont agree.
        look, every single nation has a dark spot in their history which they consider to be
        the absolute end-all tragedy to ever happen to any nation.
        the chinese are just most loud about it.
        thats all.
        come on.
        we all know the numbers, right?
        whatever the japanese did, isnt even remotely close to the chinese killed FUBU style by mao.
        thats FUBU.
        for us, by us!
        i dont really know if you were trying to protect the stand most chinese have about japan,
        but if you did, thats silly.

      • 1) The Japanese government had no part in the issuing of the text books, which were published by a private company and used by a single local authority in about 18 secondary schools.

        2) The Japanese government has not ‘erased’ the facts of WW2 war crimes, in fact various prime ministers have issued various statements of regret. A significant minority of Japanese people believe that the war waged by Japan against China and the western allies was a just one, but this group has merely been pandered to through visits to Yasukuni and other sops, never directly courted.

        • That’s not entirely accurate. The Japanese government’s Ministry of Education approved those textbooks. The textbooks, however, were not adopted by mainstream Japanese society, and many Japanese educators protested it too. I think it’s fine, even proper, to be abhorred by efforts of revisionism, but it isn’t necessary to exaggerate or lie about the extent of those efforts you’re opposing. The Japanese textbook issue is just one of the many gripes Chinese have against the Japanese that is overblown.

          • “The Japanese government’s Ministry of Education approved those textbooks. ”

            The Ministry of Education is not allowed to reject textbooks based on ideological biases. It can only order publishers to make factual corrections.

            The actual Tsukurukai textbook had to be heavily revised before being given final approval. Even some of my leftist Japanese friends agree that its right wing message was effectively neutered by the corrections.

      • Man, man, man what the fuck are you talking about???
        I’ve read myself, not heard from…., many of them. And none of them talk about the facts you’re refering to…Maybe you should see for yourself…if you can read Japanese.

  23. japs were the only race we mongols didn’t conquer coz we’re not too fond of water or boats

  24. fake… tiringly fake…

  25. When all you can come up with is strawman fallacies, I think you would be the one that’s embarassed.

    • Have you ever posted a comment on this website without using the term “strawman.”

      Akbar’s reply to me will be:

      “Here come the strawmen!” Just wait and see.

  26. The real embarassment here is that Chinese patriots feel the need to make up a story about Chinese people out-arguing Japanese straw men. Nice fictional victory! Score one for the motherland!

  27. The Japanese have yet to give apology and compensation equitable to what German has given Europe. So until then, Japan can expect alot of cynicism and distrust.

    (especially in the case of the aged and now dying women who were forced into the Jap Comfort Corps not yet compensated, the window of opportunity to apologise and compensate is fast closing, why is Japan dragging it’s feet?)

    • Actions speak louder than words. The Japanese have made such contributions to the Chinese economy and virtually donated manufacturing knowledge in almost every field (sometimes to their own detriment). I know it stings but the generation that caused the issues is all but dead, and the current leadership has been nothing but friendly. In fact the current PM doesn’t even go to the Veterans Shrine in deference to Chinese feelings about the war. Methinks it is time to unburden ourselves…
      I see it like this; only idiots and goldfish forget the incident, but the associated emotions must be allowed to die (especially 2 generations later). The current government propaganda trend is to use TV shows and movies to keep the wound open so that the Chinese populace has an emotional scapegoat on which to pin their angst.

    • There’s an argument to be made for the Japanese not matching the Germans, but as far as “compensation” goes, it was Mao who renounced Japanese war reparations as part of an effort to normalize relations and gain international recognition for the PRC. The Chinese have no one to blame for this than Mao himself.

    • Actually asian governments were pressurised by the Americans in the 1952 treaty of san fransico into not pressing for huge compensation from Japan (so the American occupiers would not have to pump as much money into rebuilding post war Japan).
      As Sino-American relations had withered and died at this point China was not presentor represented at the treaty. However China formerlyand willingly on its own part renounced its rights to compensation/reparations from Japan in the 1972 Sino-Japanese co-operation agreement (which signalled a high point in Sino-Japanese post war relationships), China willingly waived its rights to compensation mainly in order that China and Japans standpoints on the taiwanese “problem” would be closer together.
      So as Mao said if you havent properly investigated you arent entitled to an opinion!

      • Didn’t expect so many here to be ignorant of this fact BoChangKui brought up. To many of the readers here would rather paint China in a bad light and create bad feelings by favouring Japan all the way. Two can play at that game, so better make judgments based all the proper facts, this China bashing behaviour has to stop otherwise China will be inclined yo do some bashing of it’s own, especially to non-North East Asians creating bad feelings here . . .

        It must be conceded that PM Yukio has made his stance on Yasukuni clear, and the lack of reparations were to a degree the doing of the US, how about direct compensation and apology to the unwilling participants in the Jap Comfort Corps?

        A handful of them being truly voluntary should not be played up in a way that makes it alright to ignore all those forcibly conscripted. They are still alive and seeking justice (apology and compensation), will Japan act in a just manner and clear at least this one issue with honesty? It is not even an issue between governments but ordinary citizens and Japan . . .

        Just like the refuasal of US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, 3 of whom consider the English Monarchy their sovereign refusing to sign the United Nations Indigenous People’s Rights Charter 2007 when 143 nations already did.

        Why are the people responsible for such issues such reprobates that they will not acknowledge their wrongs and crimes against humanity?

        • “the lack of reparations were to a degree the doing of the US”

          Not China’s. Read the post above again- China renounced compensation for its own reasons.

  28. Son of QinGang[Ass hole of beasts]

  29. Fake interview in my estimation. Nothing to see here.

  30. Japan is never going to make up for what they did because they don’t want to, and they still have enough power to not have to give in to the pressure. The only way China is going to get Japan to apologize is if they either shoot a few missiles into Tokyo or if they can actually create cars and electronics that are better than the Japanese ones.

  31. Haha. I love it.

    “The question implicitly casts China in an unfavourable light. From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue.”

    Somebody better tell taiwan and tibet how virtuous china has been. I think they missed it.

    • …and all glory flow to our dear leaders for whom we wish long life and good health!!

    • But Taiwan and Tibet ARE China though, aren’t they? (lol)

      • Why funny? It true. Taiwan just a break away province.

        • I’d go so far as to say it’s more like China is a breakaway province of Taiwan.

          • Hahaha. Ding to that, Rick!

          • Total tangent but I think many people feel unduly sympathetic or aligned with KMT Taiwan as a result of judging history from the present and through somewhat ahistorical ideological lenses.

            We need to remember that Taiwan didn’t really become something resembling a democracy until fairly recently in history, and previously was arguably an authoritarian police state similar to today’s PRC, plagued with a lot of the same problems and flaws, not least of which being rampant corruption and suppression of dissent.

            I think too often we seem to think of Taiwan and the KMT as having always been what it is today when that simply wasn’t true. Related to this, is viewing the Communist victory in 1949 as the Chinese people having been tricked. They weren’t really tricked and the CCP wasn’t exactly out to swindle everyone. What the CCP believed in and tried to accomplish (at the time) was genuine, genuinely attractive to many Chinese…and genuinely too idealistic to ever be achieved. As time passed, their absolute power corrupted them and we know the rest.

            We can say we might have agreed with the KMT’s capitalistic ideology more than the CCP’s communist ideology, but in historical practice, both of them, and both Taiwan and the PRC, have committed really heinous crimes against the people. It’s fine to champion Taiwan as an example of Chinese achieving democracy, but I think some people are too quick to forget how hard the road to that democracy has been and why it is dangerous to assume China today would be a larger version of Taiwan had the KMT won. We just don’t know, and we shouldn’t forget why the CCP won even if we disagree with how the CCP has changed over time into the very evil they professed and promised to deliver the Chinese people from.

            Okay, tangent over.

      • @Maxi
        China is to Taiwan and Tibet as Whitney Houstin is to Bobby Brown – beaten into a relationship.

      • @Maxi
        Taiwan and Tibet is to China as Whitney Houstin is to Bobby Brown – beaten into a relationship.

  32. Any crappy Chinese-Japanese story sells in China.

  33. It is expected for any student to speak on this level, but interview is fake as wife’s LV.

  34. dont waste time, this is fake.

    can someone spend some time and care about stopping the retards chinese from honking on the street irresponsibly? I can’t sleep!!! and my family is getting brain damage from the noise pollution!!!!!!!!!! Uncivilise Fucktard!!!!

  35. “we acknowledge history without bias” only the history they wish to look at

  36. *******FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE, FAKE********

    Once again, another sad, pathetic fenqing who’s idea of “owning” anyone is by posting some fake bullshit on a chinese BBS.

    A quick search confirms that there is NO reporter at Kyodo News Agency whose name is Ichiro Ozawa. There is however, a very famous Ichiro Ozawa who used to be the chief secretary of Japan’s LDP. So, that’s probably the only japanese name this guy came in touch with to make his ridiculous mashup.

    I consider this yet another case of fake “you wish” BS.

    *CASE CLOSED*

  37. “The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue”

    This shown how much this guy understand his own country foreign policy. I can speak for a fact that China have unsuccessfully invaded Vietnam many times in the past, had they been successful I believe the Vietnamese would have been considered one of their minority ethnics and belong to the greatness of China, for example the Tibet “heavy burden” issue. China recent occupation of spratly islands group is also an another fine examples. Lets take a look at this map (http://hoangquang.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/duong-yeu-sach-9-doan-tq.jpg?w=396&h=579) and see how unreasonable is China’s claim for its sea border. (the pink line is china claimed border). There was a joke that now a days Malaysian could be charged of border trespassing for going to their beaches. Yes this is the result of China being friendly with its neighbors.

    China has and always been the dominant kingdom within its regions and demands the submission of its neighbors in one way or another, I believe the current size of china is the result of countless invasion of smaller countries.

    I don’t intend to to say that China belong to the axis of evil (Bush’s Politic), but I wanted to point out that China was and will never be a friendly neighbor. The literal translation of their country name is ” The Center Kingdom” they once believed that they are the Center for all civilizations and consider races as somewhat inferior.

    I could understand the Chinese hatred of Japanese this is due to Japan invasion of China in WWII for its resources although China wasn’t alone the rest of Asia was occupied too. This guy saying that he doesn’t use Japanese products because of his own preferences and tried some childish homour but the fact is that, the rest of the world would chose Japanese products over Chinese, because Japan produces finer products.

    I believe that if a nation military strength is greater than the rest of the world then it can somewhat have more influence and righteousness in its foreign policy regardless whether the course of action in right or wrong. My personal opinion is that a US domination of the world is better than a Chinese one, simply because, I am a Vietnamese and my country understand what a Chinese Occupation means, Look at Japan after WWII, the US did give Japan a chance to become great again, I do not believe the Chinese would have done the same.

    • I agree with with you (and many others) that the student in this story is towing the official Party line on what China is and isn’t. This official Party line, moreover, obnoxiously disregards reason and history.

      That said, I must respond to a few of the things you bring up:

      China has and always been the dominant kingdom within its regions and demands the submission of its neighbors in one way or another, I believe the current size of china is the result of countless invasion of smaller countries.

      This characterization of China is incongruous with history. China has gone through warlordism and competing factions just like most civilizations. More importantly, the Chinese “civilization” has both conquered and been conquered, whether it involved itself, parts of itself, or others. Let’s avoid trying to make China out to seem like ome monolithic entity that has been on a invading rampage for eons. That’s a disservice to history and reason.

      I don’t intend to to say that China belong to the axis of evil (Bush’s Politic), but I wanted to point out that China was and will never be a friendly neighbor.

      Many nations would disagree. Simply put, “friendly” is a silly descriptor to be using here. Like all nations, China has interests it is willing to protect and project. Whether or not that makes China “friendly” or not depends on whether those interests align with your’s.

      The literal translation of their country name is ” The Center Kingdom” they once believed that they are the Center for all civilizations and consider races as somewhat inferior.

      Cripes, when will the spread of this largely ahistorical and completely distorted factoid stop? Please, go do more research about the origins of “中国” and stop repeating this nonsense. Next, let’s remember that ethnocentrism has followed almost all dominant civilizations around the world and throughout history. It’s an unfortunate by-product of being at the top that you start to look down on others. If anyone knows this, the Chinese do, given that their historical dynastic complacency totally bit them in the ass when the Europeans of Middle Earth ancestry came by and screwed them.

      but the fact is that, the rest of the world would chose Japanese products over Chinese, because Japan produces finer products.

      I wholly understand your point, but to play Devil’s Advocate, how would you respond to the fact about “the rest of the world” actually chooses with their wallets and, in doing so, have shown us that the world quite likes purchasing Chinese products over Japanese products? I’m not trying ot say the Chinese make “finer” products than the Japanese, I’m saying you’re making a stupid argument in an effort to put down a fake but smarmy Chinese student in a fake story. There’s no need. Both Chinese and Japanese know where their respective products lie on the value scale.

      My personal opinion is that a US domination of the world is better than a Chinese one,

      Team America! Fuck yeah!

      America appreciates your support.

      Joking aside, I personally would also put my bets on America than China if I had to choose one. I think most Chinese actually feel the same way. China isn’t ready to lead the world, and believe it or not, most people in China (especially it’s leaders) know this. This isn’t going to stop them from using what clout they do have now to protect and project their interets, but they know they’re not nearly sorted out enough to be playing world cop. I don’t think you need to worry about Chinese hegemony anytime soon.

      • Kai, historically, looking WAY back, the ethnically Han people have spread through conquest. This includes militarily, culturally, and ethnically suppressing (or in some cases just displacing) indigenous people. Of course, this isn’t any different than how any other “civilization” has spread. Just saying.

        Also, although I believe this to be either fake, or a major exaggeration, the kid’s points are full of holes.

        Any Japanese reporter facing someone giving them the party line can just basically say “your welcome.” Seeing as the Japanese invasion is a major reason the CCP aren’t about as historically relevant as Japan’s Communist movement.

        • China has gone through warlordism and competing factions just like most civilizations. More importantly, the Chinese “civilization” has both conquered and been conquered, whether it involved itself, parts of itself, or others.

          …the kid stops giving genuinely responding to the journalist’s questions and instead just twists them into obnoxious retorts purely aimed to make a fool of the Japanese journalist….

          The reporter is caracitured as a punching bag, existing eventually only to be humiliated by the student. His “questions” are less questions than set-ups for the student’s punchlines. Ridiculous.

          …it was a thrashing, but not because the student’s responses made any hard-hitting points. It was a thrashing only because it was presented as one, with the cheering and the reporter being that punching-bag, not responding to the obvious evasion

  38. > In China, we don’t discuss things like this, talking about such things in public is very abnormal/perverse. (Laughter) Of course, I don’t know if you are used to doing this, or if your country is. (Laughter)

    Really? Because I seem to remember that story where people discussed the most perverted girls they had ever met online, and they were doing so publicly in front of complete strangers…

    As for the other thing about various Chinese people spying, anyone who works in computer security knows that it’s true. But they’re not exactly the only ones doing it, either.

    And history? Mmm, every country has their own view of history. I don’t know how ‘objective’ any of them are, but China did suffer quite a bit. I guess that I would expect things to calm down once those who lived through those terrible events as well as those who committed them pass on, but only if people avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.

    And even then, humans seem to have a talent for finding new mistakes to make…

  39. typical chinese discussion stlye.

    Avoid question – answer in a redundantand general way a question that has not been asked.

    for low IQ people this interview is OWNAGE but for midlevel IQ people upwards this interview is pure bullshiat. the student didnt answer one question with repect or sincerity

  40. “The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue.”

    in my opinion, this is the biggest joke of the whole conversation… HAS TO be fake. only the propaganda dept can say this kind of BS… even the fengqing cannot be this outright!

  41. Jaime de la Esperanza

    “From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue. For this reason we acknowledge history without bias, but would never repay unkindness with unkindness.”

    Any other country that paints itself in such a silly light would be roundly ridiculed, and by it’s own citizens. China does it, and not only do the mindless among them rush out – in great numbers – to praise such pathetic nonsense, but you can even get a few foreigners to join in as well.

    I mean, the man was a reporter, not a living, breathing embodiment of Japanese colonial aggression! Of course, there is always a gap between the decorum people demand and the decorum they themselves maintain, but more and more, I have to wonder about the gap in China.

    Ah well. I suppose as a westerner, my criticism is mute, because I don’t bask in the glory.

    Amazing. U.S., you have met your match for hubris and arrogance!

  42. Jaime de la Esperanza

    Kai said:

    “I recall the anti-chinese french on airplane story was verified as real or, at least, there really was a girl who wrote that story on her blog. ”

    The difference between those two choices is huge, do you really mean to suggest that it isn’t? Leaving “at least” in there makes it sound like there might be some equivalence to a story wholey fabricated and what would be a searing incident between citizens of two countries.

    Just curious.

    • Hi Jaime, my response above to FOARP. I didn’t word myself clearly. My bad. I don’t think the difference is that huge though, but I’m willing to entertain people who hear the story from the girl’s mouth and still call the girl a liar. There’s always a chance, right? Anyway, go check out the above links that Fauna provided and tell me what you think.

  43. Seems like everyone is getting a heated discussion about whether Chinese should forgive Japan or not.

    To be honest, the fact that Japan and China will never have a consent about this ww2 issue is thanks to General MacArthur. If you look at how the military tribunal of far east has been done; you will notice the many culprits of war crimes have not been charged. Lets leave out Hirohito, there is still a long list of Japanese royalties such as Baron Sadao Araki, Prince Asaka and so forth. There are people that shouldn’t be charged, charged, such as General Iwane Matsui who become the scapegoat for Prince Asaka in Nanjing Massacre; the guy was ill and not on duty when the Japanese enter the city, and Asaka is the one the one that ignore his order and allow the killing spree.

    If the good general didn’t forge evidences so these men could get away from it, this problem will probably never been so serious. Now you got this buch of Japanese who doubt the evidences laid on them facing hordes and hordes of mainland Chinese who is shown the Nanjing massacre like 24/7 of the year. =], I dont think we could ever understand, so we should just leave them to be. Its clear the Japanese are making up history and the Chinese is making a big fuzz about it on purpose; both sides are assholes. We should just get some popcorn and watch them kill each other over something America have started in the first place.

  44. LOL this kind of thing always attract much comments.
    japan always forge stuffs up and China just too much of a baby in this matter, prob 100 yrs later they still whine about it.

  45. That’s obviously fake.. the setup questions, passive aggressive response, raging stereotypes, etc.

    “Hypothetical” posts like this go up in Chinese forums all the time, people take them with a grain of salt.

  46. Apologies are so last year. Isn’t Japan all about Greater East Asian Co- I mean East Asian Union now?

  47. I’m not impressed. Why is this kid being lauded as a hero when his responses are laden with immaturity and thinly-veiled vitriol?

    • Paraphrased from George Carlin:

      Take a second and imagine the average mainland Chinese. Realize how petty and ignorant they are. Now remember half the country is more petty and ignorant than that!

  48. this is totally crap, if this reporter asked, how about the cultural revolution, tibet, then we will see the real nature of this interview. until then, all these are nothing, just formalities.

  49. I really hope this is not a fake story. As a ‘laowei’ I would like to see more such examples of showing style.

  50. This was clearly written by someone who has either never been to Beida, or a Beida student attempting to live vicariously through a made up story about his university. Bluntly, Beida students are nerds with very poor social skills. I know quite a few Beida students/graduates, and eating, studying, playing computer games, whining about being lonely, and telling you that they are Beida students takes up about 99.9% of their time.

    No way they have time to suavely tell off a Japanese reporter while their peers laugh at their funny jokes.

  51. I know this is fake. But I still Ding this. Passive aggressive is a much more intelligence response then open hostility.

    PS: China is not the good empire. We have our own ambitions and goals. Same as the US and the USSR and every other empires in history. Its about national interests. Speaking freely, I dont think anyone can say who is a good empire and who is a evil empire.

  52. Fake or not, 小日本 is doomed anyway. The Americans cannot protect their servent forever.
    100 Millons of patriotic Chinese are just waiting for Chinas righteous war against the next generation of Japanese war criminals.
    And unlike the Japanese, China will end this Task successful.
    Count the years.

    • Funny how when you hate someone enough, you turn into the very thing that you despise most and it’s too late by the time you look in the mirror.

      After China “wins” this hypothetical righteous war, Japanese descendants will remember the war and commit the same “righteous” war against China, it’s a never-ending cycle and it’s self-defeating.

    • I swear to fucking god, it’s comments like this that cause all of the flame wars and idiotic racism on these comment boards.

      You want to invade Japan because you’re angry at them for invading China? Really? You’re a pretty sharp trowel, there.

      The government continues this demonization of Japan because it serves their interests but they’re not stupid enough to start WWIII against EU/USA/India/etc. because of 60 years ago’s war crimes.

    • you sure are dumb, sir. No war is righteous with the dam bloodshed.
      To start a war, in ur mind, is so easy. But I bet even China cant take on the world, Cheer.

    • How stupid. Though I don’t doubt that there are a share of idiots in a country as big as China I merely doubt they count by 100 millions.

      No reasonable person in China wants war with Japan, much less because of war crimes the perpetrators of are nearly all dead by now (a Japanese soldier of 20 in 1945 is now 84 if still alive).

      There are lots of reasons for Chinese-Japanese cooperation, and not a single one to wage war. Ok, when I am reading Indian newspapers with their neverending warmongering, I fear that similar may happen in China once China adopts democracy. Thus one may wish that the CCP rules for the next hundred years.

    • What’s the opposite of “Ding!”? “Dung!”?

      Well I Dung! you with all my might.

    • ほんまに大変やで。君は半分弱い中国人やね。残念ですがね。やっぱり後は自殺しかない。。。早く行け!

  53. The answers were not very witty.

    The suicide issue is quite typical. Always saying another race has it worse and China is okay to avoid the question. Avoid the question and be a jackass to the one asking the question.

    Anyways I would like to answer this question because this Chinese person didn’t want to: Q: Well then, tell me, why are Japanese toilet bowls better than Chinese ones?

    My Answer: Because it can flush toilet paper and so I don’t need to have a garbage bin next to me!

  54. 爱国主义者的幻想,自爱自夸的表现。没有视频绝不相信!

  55. As always the tragic thing about the China-Japan relations stories and issues is that there ARE issues. As long as raging nationalists on both sides use it as currency, the real victims will never get true closure.

    The comment about many war criminals not getting prosecuted is an interesting one. The USA were big on that. They even had Klaus ‘angel of death’ Barbie working for them in South America.

    “In 1947, Barbie became an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC)” Check it out.

  56. Highest suicide rate doesn’t go to Japan. I’d advise the student learn to read.

    Bizarre methods of suicide? I guess setting yourself on fire is normal by his standards?

    The toilet remark hurt his credibility, it wasn’t necessary, came off as childish, and took away the strength of his following statements.

    The stupid questions the reporter asked at the end didn’t help matters, but I wasn’t terribly impressed by either of these pitiful individuals.

    The apology from the Japanese will come when they actually get to apologize to the country they wronged. Anyone who thinks the current PRC country deserves it over a place like Taiwan instead, has some issues.

    The youth who still view view this as a serious issue between the two parties are just retarded FQ anyways. Observe how the government blabbers about this issue. They CCP constantly use this to distract the citizens from the true problems that China is encountering, its like making a noise around a bunch of ADD kids taking a test.

  57. I thought ChinaSmack was suppose to bridge the differences between Chinese and Western netizens, but these comments showed that there can be no understanding. Western netizens will only agree with their Chinese counterparts when it suits them (rants about corruption, human rights etc), and will flame and brand them as $.50 brainwashed fenqing when it doesn’t (Tibet, WWII, Taiwan)…

    Sad.

    • Bit of a sweeping statement Bo. I sympathise with the anger and bitterness that many Chinese people feel toward the Japanese, but that doesn’t stop this being a flimsy and cringeworthy piece of propaganda.

      It would be nice, however, if there was the occasional thread that didn’t descend it to xenephobic bickering.

    • The problem here isn’t about understanding, but as you can see the hostile sentiment of this “fake” interview. In order to bridge something both sides must shown respect toward the other party. But as you can see the China is toward Extreme Nationalism, you can see this in everything that they do, the Olympic is a good example. Any country that allow too much Nationalism will create an ignorance generation. I hope this is not the hidden purpose of the communist ruling party in order to create a fake sense of peace and pride.

    • I think chinaSMACK merely gives Chinese and Western netizens a chance to bridge their differences rather than do it for them. It’s up to the Chinese and Westerners themselves to do so. No one can force them, they have to be willing to see each other as people first, as people largely just like themselves, with good and bad, right and wrong. Overall, I think people here, on the internet, allow themselves to speak too quickly and without some consideration.

    • Bo,

      What’s with blaming “Western Netizens”? Seems some Japanese people and other non-Westerners might have an interest in this conversation.

  58. It’s interesting to see how many 親日派 are posting here, acting as if they know all about Sino-Japanese relationship. I assume nobody here understands Japanese well enough to go to Japanese websites? While I’m not fluent in Japanese, I understand the language’s basic structure enough to navigate through Japanese websites and forums. Let me tell you all this: the biggest obstacle in Sino-Japanese relationship is not Japan’s refusal to acknowledge history, but the fact that most Japanese today have zero desire to make friends with China. Most Japanese today refuse to acknowledge China’s rise. Just go to any Japanese website and you will see my point.

    No matter how anti-China the West is when it comes to “human rights”, the Western media always reports something positive when it comes to China’s economic boom. The same cannot be said for the Japanese media. Go to youtube Japan or nicovideo douga and type in 中国経済. You’ll find that the Japanese media overwhelmingly tries to think of ways that China’s economy will crash sooner or later. What’s more disturbing are the Japanese netizen’s comments. I can honestly say the Japanese netizen’s comments are more racist towards the Chinese than Chinese netizen’s comments are towards the Japanese. From browsing so many Japanese websites, I can confidently say that it is not the Chinese who hate the Japanese, but rather it is the other way around.

    Before anyone accuses me of making stuff up, first I ask you: do you know Japanese? Do you go to Japanese forums? If the answer is no, then you have no right to speak. The Western media did not report that in 2005, there was a huge anti-Chinese riot. Everyone knows about the 2005 anti-Japanese riot in China, but no one knows about the anti-Chinese riot in Japan. If you go to Japanese site and can read Japanese, you will know that anyone who is considered too pro-China (Kono Youhei, NHK, Asahi Shimbun, etc.) is immediately labeled as a traitor. You may say it’s silly for me to generalize the entire Japanese population based on Japanese netizens, but isn’t it true that you people here are accusing China of the same thing?

    • In my experience, outsiders who read/speak Chinese, Japanese or Korean and not the others generally lay the most blame for the East Asian Triangle of Hate on the people who speak the language they understand, so I’m guessing there are plenty of disgusting attitudes all around.

      • Do fellow Koreans, Japanese or Chinese tell other Korean, Japanese or Chinese, “what you said is racist”?
        At least in “Western” nations people might just say such a thing to make you aware of it or at least confront you about it. In Asia they aren’t confronted by their society for such crap by their own people so they have no clue that they are racists or at the least bigots. Asians are quite racist but refuse to “know” it, generally speaking. Is it that FACE thing?

        • Yes, they do. Look at the Lou Jing post. To the extent that Asians chide each other for manifestations of racism far less than those who live in or come from more heterogenous, racially-sensitive societies, it has more to do with a comparatively more homogeous social environment as well as general ignorance and inexperience than face. There’s positive correlation between amount of exposure to other races and amount of racial tolerance/sensitivity. People who interact more with other races tend to be less racist.

    • Alright lets be fair now. I think both Chinese and Japanese are just as racist. I’ve been to Japanese sites and forums and so have mainland China’s.

      The main diff is Japanese sites are generally much more creative and better decorated: original cartoons, a lot of skewed historical facts that seems to be elaborately argued, and so forth. The Japanese right wings also hosted alot of talk shows about Nanjing denials, making fun of chinese and stuff which are all very well staged…most of the time, they got some unwaring chinese lure right into their trap. =]

      While most mainland Chinese sites are poorly constructed; usually with no layouts at all, and with the heading “little Japan” everywhere, photos depicting the imperial Japanese brutality with wrong tags (such as the bombing of Chongqing pic tagged as Nanjing massacre; funny how some Japanese extremist site actually use these photo with the wrong tags as evidences to back themselves up. =] But at least you noe the Japanese done their research abeit in the wrong direction).

      And don’t forget the Anti-Japanese online war game that is so poorly made. I been to that site and judging from western standard, their promotional pics and game description are definitely racist; again headings of “little Japan” everywhere, comics of killing of ninjas, geisha girls, sumo wrestler, almost each one of them end with a quote how the chinese culture is superior to the Japanese culture. LIKE WTF? lol and they called it a historical accurate online game.

      So in turn, both of them are racist. The Japanese just did it in more of a convincing and sometimes deceptive way. I dun u can give a rating on who is more racist, but theres def more racist chinese than Japanese given the earlier much larger population.

      • The Japanese are more racist. There are many Chinese who like the Japanese for their modernity, electronics, etc. There is no Japanese who like the Chinese for anything. Most Chinese just dislike the Japanese for not properly admitting history, while most Japanese hate the Chinese for no or every reason in the world.

        • I think you are just stating your opinions. And it may annoys you but I think you have this prejudice against japanese ppl (racist).

          I know quite a few Japanese people myself and many of them respect Chinese culture/history. If Japanese dont like Chinese for anything, why is Chinese cuisine so popular in Japan, why do Japanese make games on Chinese History such as ROTK, Water Margins, why is Jackie Chan such a big phenomenon in Japan?

          Its true that I also notice alot of Japanese have prejudice against Chinese (99/100 of time its about the mainland Chinese), esp the older generation and the unemployed. It happens everywhere, mainland Chinese are stereotyped to be illegal immigrants, prostitutes, criminals and so forth…If you put Japanese xenophobic attitude into account, they are already being very generous to Chinese. And heres my lil account on a travel to Japan, I been there on 3 days, and I have seen at least five occasions of Mainland Chinese breaking the customs there, (such as trespassing into area with a “no enter signs”, taking pics of artifacts with a sign/pic of “no taking pics”, and there r even times Chinese living there cant take it and lecutre the mainland tourists how to properly behave…)you have to understand Japanese have a very diff customs than in China and alot of mainland Chinese aint aware of that. Theres a reason why mainland Chinese are even hated by Pro-unification Taiwanese and Hongkongers cuz many of them are just ignorant about the outsides when travelling (pretty much have the ugly american tourist attitude).

          And really most Japanese I know dont give a shit about history; they care more about pop culture and stuff just like any other ppl. And seeing how Chinese ppl burning/ beating up Japanese ppl in China about Japanese/Chinese history issue that they dun give a fuck about, what do you think they will think about the Chinese in general?

          • If I’m a racist for judging Japanese people based on their netizens’ behavior, than aren’t Japanese people “racist” (by your standards) for generalizing Chinese people from the tourists you’ve seen?

            “If you put Japanese xenophobic attitude into account, they are already being very generous to Chinese”

            Compared to… who? The Indonesians? If so, then yes, I’m sure the Japanese are very generous to the Chinese for not randomly killing and raping Chinese people in their country. But it doesn’t change the fact that I’ve never seen so many racist attitudes against the Chinese online on Japanese forums. Can you find a single pro-China website in Japanese? Why is it that any Japanese who tries to be soft on China (NHK, Asahi Shimbun, Kouno Youhei, etc.) is immediately labeled as a traitor to Japan?

            “If Japanese dont like Chinese for anything, why is Chinese cuisine so popular in Japan, why do Japanese make games on Chinese History such as ROTK, Water Margins, why is Jackie Chan such a big phenomenon in Japan?”

            This quote would have held weight (if I believe you, that is, which I don’t), but then you said “mainland Chinese are stereotyped to be illegal immigrants, prostitutes, criminals and so forth”. So do the Japanese admire the Chinese cultures, or do they see them as illegal immigrants causing troubles, etc. (Actually, you sound like the racist Ishihara Shintarou right now)

            “you have to understand Japanese have a very diff customs than in China and alot of mainland Chinese aint aware of that.”

            The same could be said for the Japanese. I know a lot of Chinese who don’t give a shit about history, but they still dislike Japanese. You want to know why? They say that Japanese men who reside in China bring prostitutes and their “perverted” culture into China. (This is especially true in the Shanghai area). If the Japanese have the right to hate all Chinese based on what they see from Chinese tourists, then the Chinese also have a right to judge Japanese based on Japanese tourists. Fair is fair, right?

          • You clearly dont get my message. Your xenophobic attitude toward Japan got the better of you. Have you talk to a Japanese person or been to Japan? Cuz I have been to mainland China and know alot of mainland Chinese. You are ranting on Japan based on your limited knowledge about the place? That’s ignorance and racism.

            “mainland Chinese are stereotyped to be illegal immigrants, prostitutes, criminals and so forth”.

            Noticed I put “stereotyped”. Stereotypes are prejudice (the attitude that you have); but it doesn’t justified discrimination (which you are doing), discrimination is always wrong . But of course, if you notice alot of times that a certain group is associated with a certain thing you don’t like, will you go near them with an open heart? Its almost like will you walk into a Ghetto at night with no worries?

            That is an extreme example, its def much safer in Japan than in a ghetto. Someone need to make the first step. If one is to continue hating due to prejudice, they cycle of hatred will simply repeated with no ends.

            Seriously, what do you want for “pro-china”? sites There are Japanese sites that range from teaching Chinese culture to converting Japan into a Maoist state through terrorism such as those of the Japanese Red Army.

            I am just trying to tell you the world isn’t black and white. Its never good to generalize ppl based on their culture (which you are doing). Not every Japanese ppl are racist mofos like Ishihara Shintarou, and even if some Japanese ppl may seems to be resentful to Chinese, once you earn their trust, they treat you like everyone else. Its really just human nature (although Americans prob have a easy time accepting a new culture than Japanese becuz of their cultural upbringing), like i could write an essay about this, but I really dont have time. (the end)

          • “ave you talk to a Japanese person or been to Japan? Cuz I have been to mainland China and know alot of mainland Chinese. You are ranting on Japan based on your limited knowledge about the place? That’s ignorance and racism.”

            Talking to a Japanese person here in the States doesn’t mean anything. They do not represent what the Japanese feel back home. But to answer that question, yes, I do have Japanese American friends. They don’t hate me for being Chinese, but they certainly don’t represent the Japanese back home. I admit what I’m preaching is borderline discrimination, but this is what I’m gathering from Japanese websites and forums, such as youtube Japan and nicovideo douga. Neither of the sites are politics-related, yet they all contain nothing but China-bashing material when it comes to China. Oi, do you really understand Japanese? 日本語がよくわかりますか?You claim you know lots of pro-China Japanese websites, but I do not know of a single one. Even a youtube video which contains nothing but China’s national anthem will have Japanese users screaming “shina! kiero!”

            Once again, I admit that what I’m doing maybe considered prejudice, but when you see nothing but Japanese netizens screaming to kill all Chinese, how else am I supposed to think? That all the Japanese who hate the Chinese use the Internet and all those who don’t hate the Chinese don’t use the Internet? You said so yourself: “And seeing how Chinese ppl burning/ beating up Japanese ppl in China about Japanese/Chinese history issue that they dun give a fuck about, what do you think they will think about the Chinese in general?”

            Now just switch Chinese and Japanese and you’ll get my dilemma. I’ve never posted here that I hate all Japanese for what they did to us in history. I said I am suspicious about how Japanese view Chinese because based on my experience on Japanese forums, all Japanese hate Chinese.

          • #1 Keep in mind, I said “Japanese ppl” and “Japan”. I didn’t said “Japanese American” and “J Town in America”. Thats the problem of ppl like you, you assume things when you don’t know any. (PS: Why do you assume I am an American in the first place?)

            #2 There is no diff between youtube Japan and youtube America or w/e…its the same content, just diff language. Also people don’t upload serious videoes at nicovideo; treat it like a stupidvideoes.com cuz thats pretty much what it is.

            #3 When I said those examples with the Japanese/Chinese, I am telling you to think in their shoes. Becuz you are exactly like them, thinking you know everything when you based everything on your experience. (its like how north koreans think they are living the best life cuz they havent been to anywhere else) If you are going to criticize a group ppl, make sure you are not doing the same thing. Doing so means you are a hypocrite.

            #4 I already told you some sources that you could find pro-Chinese sites but if you are lazy, click on the link my name, that should direct you to a short video to something you want.

          • I thought you were the one who said both are racist… and now it seems like you are arguing that Japan is not actually racist?

        • Is this racism?

    • this is ridiculous.

      “I can honestly say the Japanese netizen’s comments are more racist towards the Chinese than Chinese netizen’s comments are towards the Japanese”

      really, what criteria are you using? I’d like to see this racism scale

      Oh and
      “If the answer is no, then you have no right to speak”

      thanks for determining the right to speak for me, I really appreciate it

    • Basing what you believe about a country, its people, and what they believe, on the nonsense on the web, is probably not giving one a very balanced or realistic view of that country. Imagine judging China based on the articles posted on here or the Chinese forums the articles orginally came from. One could speak and read Japanese fluently and it wouldn’t mean they can understand what’s really being said, what the real popular undercurrent of belief actually is. One could be a native born Japanese speaker and still not have a clue.

      • It’s possible that I do not really know what the Japanese think as well as I think I do. However, if you cannot read Japanese, then any report you read on how the Japanese feel are SECONDARY reports. You never know if there are some things lost in the translation or maybe even left out altogether.

    • I happen to live in Japan, have a Japanese wife and kid.
      I speak and read Japanese.
      Have Japanese friends from all ages, some of them were kids durind the WW2 and witnessed all the shit.
      @some_guy: I read the newspaper everyday, sankei shinbun and to have a more “right wing” opinion the Asahi Shinbun, and believe me there are no traces of the shit your talking about.
      It’s true that people here are mad when another food poisoning scandal blows up, which happens often with Chinese products.
      I don’t know, but let me seriously doubt of your Japanese reading abilities…
      Me thinking that actually you don’t understand a shit.

      • Did you just say that the Sankei Shimbun doesn’t have a trace of what I said? Interesting, I always thought that Sankei Shimbun hates China with a passion. Asahi is pretty nice on China (I sometimes read their online articles), but if you go to Japanese websites, you would know that Asahi has been labeled a traitor for being nice on China. 売国の朝日 does mean traitorous Asahi, right?

        //It’s true that people here are mad when another food poisoning scandal blows up, which happens often with Chinese products.//

        I understand their anger in this case completely; I’d be too, if someone I love is poisoned by foods made in China. However, from what I’ve observed, generally anti-Chinese rants are not on food safety. They are usually on some delusional belief that China will invade and kill all Japanese, followed by Japanese belief that China is enslaving Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan, etc.

        //I don’t know, but let me seriously doubt of your Japanese reading abilities…
        Me thinking that actually you don’t understand a shit.//

        Have you ever heard of Channel Sakura? It’s a very popular new tv station in Japan full of anti-China programs. Here’s a program in English (can’t fool anybody here): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPTz8iJmCo&feature=related

        Look how popular the TV station is by clicking on their link. Since you claim to understand Japanese, look at all their other videos and comments. Right-wing nationalism is very popular in Japan. I understand that my view on Japanese may be narrow and incomplete since I’ve never been there, but with this much Japanese netizens hating on all Chinese in general, I cannot help but to think this way.

        • You some_guy sir, is a very funny person. You obviously have a very limited understanding about Japanese culture but your ego just dont let you admit that. I don’t want to rub it in, but you force me to…using online translator to translate English to Japanese or reading Kanji doesnt mean you are fluent in japanese.

          From my chat with you, I honestly don’t get why you have the right to criticize japanese for being racist because you are the guy who is bitching about japanese stereotypes here.

          Btw, I aint sure are you trying to say “news” or “new” but Channel Sakura is not a new tv station. It is established at 2004, so its quite some time ago and its hardly a popular tv station. Its look popular online but use you brain and think, “is there any other competition? Which group of ppl in the Japanese culture will have so much time browsing videoes online?” W/e the case is, both NHK and Asashi are much more popular media source in japan. (Yes there r “some” ppl who call them selling their country, but the majority of ppl continue to read them) Its really funny how you try to use a small group of Japanese right wingers to support your racist view of japanese ppl.

          I dont think you will get it cuz you are just like Glenn Beck, you pretend you know everything (which you dont) and go on some forums try to proof your point with evidences that aint even valid. I happen to have a japanese gf, and I am chinese (abiet HK Chinese). I admit that her parents doesnt like me at first but after my visit to Japan, it turn out just fine. My grandparents in Hk were pissed that i got a japanese gf (HK like China suffered quite badly during the Japanese occupation), but after her visit there, it also turn out just fine. So I really cant understand your points, cuz what you said is not what i see.

        • your view on the Japanese is definitely an “incomplete” one, if that’s what you want to call the racist generalizations you’ve been making.

  59. I almost hope this is real simply because if there is some psycho sitting around at his computer composing “fake” interviews to post on BBS forums to whip up nationalist boasting, that almost seems to me a more dangerous/perverse level of psychosis than some snotty college student showing off his ignorant douchery (which isn’t limited to China as many “masters of the obvious” have pointed out above).

    These kind of stories make my stomach hurt (the reactions more so)…too much fucking ignorance and arrogance in the world today.

  60. The issues revolves around blame. The Chinese and Koreans seemingly want the Japanese to fall down on their knees and explicitly accept blame. The Japanese apologies that I have read express “regret” or “remorse” for “events” without ever going into specifics. Nor are they aimed at the domestic audiences only the foreign crowd. The Japanese government deal out reparations while never saying what they are guilty of specifically. Instead, they split hairs over number of dead or they say they did no worse than any other rising colonial power (Britain, colonial America, Germany) etc. Its like they want to settle out of court without accepting liability. While the vast majority of Japanese people seem to be pretty ignorant of what all of the hub bub is about. If you can’t get everyone on the same page, how will you ever move forward?

    • Hmm, that with “falling on their knees” is bit wierd. Methinks if Germans would come to Israel and say “hey, let’s speak about our mutual guilts and grudges”, they would probably not wholeheartedly welcomed, either. Granted, there are more Idiots in the world such as Turks still not willing to accept responsibility for the genocide on the Armenians 1915.

      As another poster pointed out, not so few Japanese still consider Chinese and Koreans (and much more Indonesians, Filipinos, Malays and Indians) as inferior races. This widely resembles the view of nationalist Germans since end of 19. Century towards Jews and Slavs. It differs from the view towards British and French who were considered somewhat decadent but otherwise racially equal.

      Stupid Chinese nationalists who consider Japanese as enemies are much alike German nationalists with their hostility towards the “red-trousered hereditary enemy” (the French) or “the perfidious Albion” (Britain). I do not defend such stupidity and ignorance. Yet that is much less insulting and an obstacle for reconciliation than ideologies of racial superiority. Thus I think it is to a wide extent the Japanese who have a long way to go.

      • I didn’t mean literally falling on their knees. :-) But your right I should have worded it better. However, I don’t see the Japanese going any further. Outside of Asia, they come off as model citizens. I’m sure more people know Sony and Toyota then Tojo or Unit 731. Besides every time Chinese treatment of Tibet or Lou Jing or North Koreans enter the spotlight, its the Japanese who end up looking more sympathetic. As for Germany, France and Britian. Is it just me or does it seem like they have more fun with WW2 slights. I think a mob of British Soccer fans sang WW2 songs about stopping the Germans while in Germany, which the Germans seem to take in stride.

    • “The Japanese apologies that I have read express “regret” or “remorse” for “events” without ever going into specifics.”

      They wanted the apology to be wide enough to cover all the wrongs committed.

      If you want specifics, go to any library at a Japanese public school – you’ll find plenty of books that detail war crimes and atrocities.

      Japan’s “denial” of history is an absurd exaggeration.

      • 1 – Never said anything about Japan’s “denial” of history. Not sure where you got that.

        2 – “They wanted the apology to be wide enough to cover all the wrongs committed.

        If you want specifics, go to any library at a Japanese public school”

        Are you saying that the Japanese kept the apologies sparse on names of places and events in order to to make the apologies more encompassing? Never heard of that one. Ambassador Ichiro Fujisaki mentioned Bataan and Corregidor Island in the Philippines when apologizing to a group of American war veterans.

        http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7717227&page=1

        How ever, America is more important to Japan then either China or Korea so that might me understandable.

        • that might BE understandable. Sorry.

        • The Japanese government was clear on the fact that the ambassador’s Bataan apology was something new and that the specifics mentioned signified absolutely no change from the 1995 apology.

          If the Chinese government could be expected to treat history in a rational, mature, fact-based, and non-ultranationalistic manner, I’m sure Japan’s government would treat it like it treats the United States. Until then, general apologies that cover everything seem more acceptable.

  61. “For this reason we acknowledge history without bias”
    … chuckle

  62. two words: Nanjing massacre?
    please.
    two words: Armenian genocide.

  63. Let’s pretend that these responses were true.
    This student did not make any intelligent comments. He often contradicted himself. First he said the Chinese are open-minded and “tolerate reconciliation”, but nothing he said really showed open-mindedness. He has one mind: hate and disrespect the Japanese. He mentioned the toilet bowl, but when the reporter mentioned it, the student said that the Chinese don’t talk about these things in public. Then why did he bring it up in the first place? He makes Chinese people appear rude.
    China’s suicide rate is still extremely high, so don’t brag about how much less it is compared to Japan. Also, China has been known for not accurately reporting deaths ( mining accidents,Culture Revolution, “Great leap”, massacres (1989), etc.)
    The reporter’s ancestors made the mistakes, so don’t attack the reporter.
    This person will make a poor diplomat. People, read carefully before you praise this student. Most of his comments are unintelligent comments.

  64. All that whining and ‘attempting to verbally own them Nippons’ does not help, my beloved Chink compariots!

    If those guys spend their energy, intelligence and time into learning and working for their country, they wouldnt have to resort to these poor attempts to save the honour of China.

    The fact why Japanese are looking down on Chinese has the same reason why they have massacred them back then in WWII – Chinese were poor and dirty animals in their eyes. And still are.
    The fact, that they didnt acknowledge China’s rise is another proof for this: They just dont want to lose their racial superiority by acknowledging them as peers.

    So the solution is simple: Instead of whinning and hating ie. acting exactly like the lowly animal the japanese expected, oone should just create hard, cold facts.
    Namely; economic, military and political might.
    And use THESE to humiliate the japanese on the highest standard, like buying their debts, investing and overtaking their economy, sending the PLA in disaster-relief operations when another shit-tsunami has hit the fan, patrolling their shores with a carrier-battlegroup, establishing a military base somewhere in okinawa etc. in short, just turn Japan into your personal sex-slave, while smiling nonchalantly, wearing a monocle and sipping tea. Or just: Work until you restored the historical order in that part of the world.

    Telling toilet jokes and cry like babies, doesnt help. In fact it makes it even worser, like it can be seen here.

    So, back to work. The duty calls.

    • Your strategy sounds like how the Imperial Japanese treat the Chinese in WWII in the first place? You want to start another Sino-Japanese war?

      • Actually the Imperial Japanese treatment was not really something “wrong” by the standard of an expansionist imperial power.

        Everytime when some Chinese come together and whine about Japan, Nanjing, Unit 731 and also Opium War, destruction of the Summer Palace etc. one thing bugs me:

        They just cant see it as the natural order of the world – The weak will always be eaten by the strong.

        It’s like with the Wolf: The Wolf isnt evil by nature, but he sure will eat you, if you cant defend yourself.
        If you are too weak to fight off the Wolf, there’s noone else to blame beside yourself! The Wolf is just following its nature, the victim failed at it and consequently gets killed.

        So Japan, GB, Germany and all the imperial powers back then are just acting like any great power should do: Exploiting, raping and murdering the weak for their own profit.
        The only one at fault was China itself, for being too weak and defenseless.

        So we Chinese should take all these humiliation and foreign Invasion as the ultimate lesson to strenghten ourselfs. Build more tanks, build more missiles, build more warplanes, build more destroyers, build more aircraftcarriers and build more nukes. But foremost, build a strong and dominant economy that supports a aggressive, determined and active defense policy, involving hard- and soft-power to influence and damage all your potential enemies.
        Do everything to achieve the ultimate imperative: To never be weak again. Not against foreign threats, nor against internal threats. Hard on the outside, hard on the inside. Never accept compromises. Let your enemies beg to you on their knees, when they want something from you. Like Obama now. Hold your friends close, but your enemies closer by buying their debts and invest in their economies to make them dependent and impotent.

        So what I advocate is not exactly a third sino-japanese war, but only your normal, hard and cruel machiavellian realpolitik backed by political, economical and military power, which COULD include a war, if the cost/profit-ratio is favorable to oneself.

        Only fools restrics one’s own power with concepts of stupid ethics and morals, laws and commandments. And probably gets eaten by Wolfes again when weakening.

        • I never said you are wrong. In reality, we all knows that everything is up to Darwinian selection.

          I am just worries that if everyone have your mentality, we will destroyed the world. Like what Einstein says “If we have a third world war, the fourth one will be fought with stick and stones.”

          • Nah. Nothing to worry about. Japan, the US and every other important nation on this world can perfectly defend themselves.
            The Wolf will only strike, when one’s defenseless. But nowadays, with the increasing number of nuclear armed countries and a general multipolar world, the danger of an world war actually decreases.
            In our todays world, hate, racism and darwinist mentality alone cannot cause anything, because the interest of oneself is restricted by the interest of someone else. So in the end, everyone is just acting like business as usual and fight their wars out in a ‘peaceful’ manner, while exploiting the weak.

            So what i stated is not my own mentality, but it’s actually what is happening everyday in the politics on a regular basis. just realpolitik. And other than a handful of regional wars against towelheads, nothing really happened. How could? In a world under the threat of Mutual Assured Destruction?

            So what China should do, or already does is just to follow the quote of Li Hongzhang, the Cancellor of the late Qing Dynasty:

            “Weak countries cannot afford diplomacy”

            You cannot rely on treaties, promises and politics, if you dont have hard power to back it up. You will always remain under the mercy of those with power.
            So before all; to quote Machiavelli; one should ‘be armed’. Nothing more.
            And this is what bugs me when seeing Chinese whinning about their weakness instead of fucking change this fact and help the country become strong. At least this is what the japanese did in their Meiji-restauration. Everyone pulled on the same rope, instead of baaawning about Admiral Perry and the evul Gaijin’s opening their harbours with guns and sabres.

          • This mentality of devolving humans into animals is an offspring from Darwinian selection ideology.

          • Hongjian, I do not believe your buttrape fairy tale. Those German Bundeswehr people are usually too drunk to insert their JJ in anybody’s butt or B. Maybe I’m wrong, and if that butt thing held you 4 years in that crowd any reasonable person gets away from after a few month, ok, that is your sexual propensity, then. Fine if you liked it.
            I am enjoying to have 5 children and 5 grandchildren (so far), and do not rely on such strange communities. I am mocking about your violence and superiority dreams. Btw., Nietzsche was a complete loser, and all he wrote was contrary to his miserable existance, nothing of that can be taken seriously, semantically. Yet he was a real master of the language of his country, and able to express the most worthless crap in conclusive esthetic sentences. That is something that completely escaped you.

          • No. You’re wrong. The Bundeswehr IS a drunken pile of fail in Afghanistan, thats for sure. And I’m also thinking that this war is wrong, pragmatically unexplainable and unrationale. But this doesent hinder me from enjoying my time there.
            And If you really take all that buttrape-thing for real, then you are just retarded and still not expierienced with the language of the internet.

            Oh wow. 5 children and grandchildren? You must be fucking old. What the hell are you doing here in the first place in your age? And I thought that people are actually getting wiser and spend their time better, than ranting on HateSMACK.

            And where do you see that I’m dreaming about superiority? Yeah, I’m accepting violence. That is true. But where did I state that I’m all about superiority? No one is superior or inferior. There are only those who survive and those who die.

            I’m just a Realist. Violence and Inequality is what caused and solved most the problems in the world. And humanity survives by violating the shit out of their enviroment, the nature and their human peers. Everyone who cant see this is a delusional hippie and is just practicing wishful thinking. Or still hasnt seen a massgrave in Afghanistan and laughted about it, knowing that this is the very epitome of human nature itself, which will always happen again, again and again.
            Mankind cannot ‘advance’. Every moral, every ideology and every sciencetifical advancement can and will be used to kill people. The Christians killed people in the name of a benevolent God, the Communist killed people in the name of an very honourable social ideal, Muslims kill people in the name of their beloved Allah and we, or I, was send out to kill people and invade their homes in the name of Democracy, Human Rights and liberal western values. The same values, invented to stop the said killing and to turn humans into something better.

            And yes. Good that you brought Nietzsche. He was one of the few who saw the reality of this rotten world. Morality is nothing more than another ideology from which people can find excuses to be immoral and hateful.

            So excuse me, when I dont buy any ideologies and crap-talk about dreams and ideals anymore. Human nature will turn anything you love and worthship into something you are ready to hurt other people for.
            So, this is why it was better for me to return to cold, hard realism. Never dream again.
            There’s only one Imperative for us humans. that is to survive.
            Hate, Violence and Murder is neccessary to the human nature to survive, as it seems. Fighting this very human trait with idealistic theories of love and peace, will only lead to unnecessary hate in the name of love and peace.
            So It’s naturally better to just return to one’s natural root of darwinism and live the life without any ideologies and ethical excuses for the cruelties one has to commit in order to survive. The subject in this case would be only restricted by the object’s ability to fight back and to commit the same cruelty to oneself for the same reason. With this, nothing really changes. Wars will still be fought and people will still be killed. Only humanity will become a bit more honest about it.

        • Wasn’t you the loser who spent 4 years of his worthless life in the alcoholics’ self-awareness group named German Bundeswehr (army)? And now dreaming about becoming a German state attorney prosecutin German 小偷? Do you really think you are able or competent to tell Chinese in China what to do in their country? Really good joke.

          • Ohhh now I’m crying hard man.

            You dont need to rub my 4 years of service under my nose in every fucking single of your post. I enjoyed the buttrape of my bearded OPERATOR Hauptmann and the camaraderie of all the turkish, polish and russian comrades in my platoon.
            Afghanistan was fricking cool btw. Didnt get to kill a single towelhead though, since ‘it isnt war’ in our nomenclature… beside some RPG, Mortar and IED assaults on our basecamp, build with stolen material from the canadians.

            And I cant tell the Chinese what to do, since every single thing I said IS already in motion/or prescheduled in the goddamn Masterplan of the CCP. I’m just paraphrasing the offical CCP policy for all those naiive dickheads out there, who are still thinking that the world is some kind of Kindergarten.

            Why not just whore yourself and find your own personal Hauptmann to rape you in the butts? I guess this could cure you from your juvenile delusions.

  65. When talking about the history, let’s forget about the China’s history in Tibet,

    1/6 every Tibetan were killed by Chinese,
    six thousands monasteries were destroyed by Chinese , before the cultural revolution.
    200 hundreds thousands of Tibetans were forced to leave their homeland.

    • The Tibetans were awarded with the Darwin-Prize of Natural Selection.

      GREAT SUCCESS!!!

    • Losang, that is all propaganda fairy tale by the Dharamsala idiots around the dulleye lamer. There was never 1/6 of Tibetans killed, on contrary, the number of tibetans rose from roughly 2 million in all of China (TAR, Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan, Yunnan, and Nei Mongol) to well 5.8 million today. In 1959, 80,000 Tibetans, mainly aristocrats and clerics, left Tibet after their failed insurrection. Had they bred like Tibetans inside PRC, there should be at least 240,000 even if no additional Tibetan would have left TAR and PRC after 1959. There should be even more as there is no birth control in India like in PRC. Actually, lots of Tibetans returned to China because life is better there than in India. Stupid dulleye ppl aren’t even able to do waste management in their drug-ridden Dharamsala.

      And yes, thousands of monasteries have been destroyed during the CR, everywhere where the PLA did not hinder it. And have you ever been to Tibet? Did you ask who destroyed? Those were mostly Tibetans, lots of runaway monks among them, who perpetrated these acts of vandalism. Ok, that doesn’t clear the initiators of CR from their guilt and irresponsibility.

  66. whether this interview is fake or truth…it very much delivered the true situation to the world. Keep it up. Japan and it’s people will have the acknowledge what they have done and stop twisting the facts.

    • To quote a character on The Wire: “A lie ain’t a side of a story. It’s just a lie.”. The ‘student’s’ reply contained untruths, to wit:

      1) Japan is not no. 1 for suicides, nor has it ever been reported as number 1, at least not in the past ten years.

      2) China has carried out unwarranted acts of aggression against other countries which have not been recognised as such.

      This isn’t a denial of Japanese war crimes, nor did the ‘reporter’ featured in this ‘discussion’ deny them, but a fairly obviously faked discussion which misrepresents the truth does nothing to deliver “the true situation to the world”.

  67. Ridiculous propaganda story , anybody who believes this actually happened is retarded and lacking anything even remotely resembling critical thinking….
    complete and utter BS

  68. The Beijing University Chinese student needs to learn some manners! Seriously! I would term the student being a smart arse. And being a smart arse does not mean that they are intellectually smart, but rather the opposite because they are only there to create laughters. In a sense they themselves are a joke.

    But don’t be alarmed nor feel insulted if you are Chinese and is damn proud of your country, as this kind of attitude is merely much shared by the adolescence around the world. That is, near all university students will no doubt at some point feel that they are the smartest in the world and want to contribute much as they could. Though sometimes, it will later turn out what they said should not have been said.

    I am not here to place much condemnation but rather I strongly encourage that Chinese students be more courteous and humble. Words that come out of one’s mouth is meaningless with little inaction or more so, actions that are unconstructive and hurtful.

    To forgive is a must but it should not be forgotten.

    The Imperial Japanese have devastated the Chinese people and much too to the Eastern Asian region. But to forever hold such gripe against them will only be self destructive.

    There is no better way to shame someone than to share your humbleness and forgiveness, so that they themselves acknowledges within their hearts that what they have done was wrong. And not that I think anyone should be made to be shamed.

    Also, most Asians never admit that they are wrong, as it is a loss of face. It is an Asian trait but not something I will discuss at this stage. So do you think Japan will acknowledge its past behavour?

    China needs to look at herself and improve her own people and society. There is more value to be gained by improving the Chinese people that are of today. Take for instance, the social issues faced by modern China – corruption, social injustices, employment issues, suicidal issues, mannerism, and role modelling (young Chinese – boys and girls) need good Chinese role models to make themselves stronger.

    Ask yourself this, if you have only one of the following two choices, which shall it be?

    1) China to spend its time and resources to gain international respect and apologies from countries that have done her wrong? So, the result is better national pride; or
    2) China to spend its time and resources to improve its people such that her people in this modern age will have better social justice, more job opportunities, better health facilities, improved education and personal development systems, reduced suicidal rates, and role models for the younger people? The result will be Chinese people who should be happier and better developed – educationally, emotionally and physically.

    I don’t expect much to agree with me, as I have this feeling that most will hasten to use their tongue before giving much thoughts.

  69. I happen to love Japanese toilets as much as I love Chinese food.

  70. This bring my thoughts on China to a whole new level. In a bad way, of course. If this is real, then the student is either stupid or ignorant, and didn;t do his homework, or put his pride in his country more than his head.

    [quote]
    Please watch your wording! I don’t agree with how you’ve put the question. The question implicitly casts China in an unfavourable light. From ancient times to now, China has never had any “heavy burden”. The Chinese people are a open-minded, forward-looking exemplary race, who patiently deal with people, and remaining on friendly terms with their neighbours is China’s virtue.
    [/quote]

    Sadly, then above statement from the kid is not seen here. Chinese people portrait a racist, close-minded, bull like attitude, ignorant, arrogant attitude. China’s virtue? LOL, where is it?

    And I agree with the rest of the comments above, this is a fake interview. If this is real, I am sure there is a video capture of it somewhere on the net posted by these arrogant chinese

  71. repost from mop,it’s probably fake.

  72. 1. It has been online since 2005:
    http://www.360doc.com/content/050816/09/651_6449.html

    2. There was other school’s version with almost exactly same content, for example a Tsinghua one
    http://www.dianping.com/group/mengli/topic/130627

    3. Mop is for entertainment and people went there for fun, gossip and rant. It’s probably not a good place to learn Chinese language either and you should read it with an extra grain of salt.

    4. Wow 200+ comments! Thank all you guys for commenting. I’m amused!

  73. Too many Chinese people are much too arrogant. I’ll bet most Chinese people use many more Japanese items than just a toilet: automobiles, computers, mobile phones, food items . . . the list could go on and on. And we all know that Chinese “history” is short on facts, long on hyperbole. How many of your fellow countrymen died due to your beloved Mao’s Cultural Revolution? How many were destroyed during the 1989 Tianamen Square massacre? Was Japan the cause for these atrocities? Remember, when you are pointing a finger at someone, there are three more pointing back at you!

  74. Why are you guys even debating this? It’s obviously fake whether or not it’s a repost. It’s blunt, stupid propaganda bullshit written by some skinny racist nerd who isn’t getting laid.

    Many Chinese are conditioned to blindly accept this kind of nationalist nonsense, but come on waiguos, you should know better.

  75. The Chinese are always wrong and the Japanese always right. Get over it China. You are second rate if not third rate compared to the Japanese. You got your ass kicked 70 years ago – move on.

    • Chinese are fourth rate, man.

      In South Africa under the Apartheit, The Whites were first-rate humans, shared with Japanese, Taiwan-Chinese and Hongkong-Chinese, who were ‘Honorary Whites’ respectively. Blacks, Indians and Mainland-Chinese where all considered ‘coloured’ and therefor subhuman trash.

      So according to democratic I-love-freedom-and-guns rednecks and weaboos: Glorious Nippon > Taiwanese = Hongkongnese >>>> South-Koreans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dirty backwards communist mainland animals who should be beaten by the rightous sword of democracy and human rights, wielded by the Goddess of Freedom.

      I love this concept. As the 43. rule of the internets goes: The more beautiful and pure something is, the more satisfying it is to corrupt and to violate it.

      So in this sense, I think the feeling of a few dirty, backwards, communist and dogsmelling 300 kiloton thermo-nuclear warheads delivered from inferior, copycat, communist, chink-shit, communist and again communist DongFeng-21C MRBM’s striking with full force into glorious superior, clean, pure, beautiful and democratic Nippon, would be so satisfying for the subhuman Chinese, like a multiple orgasm.

      Alternatively, a full economical and political enslavement of Japan into a vassal-state via trade and intimidation would also be a very satisfying feat.

      Just like how those subhuman slavic soviets raped the shit out of every superior aryan Frau and butchered every superior aryan man they could find in their 3 days of sweet revenge after Germany surrendered, while constantly laughting ‘Haha, where is your racial superiority NOW?”.

      Feels good man.

      • You, sir (Hongjian) just totally made my morning. I’m sick of all the pro-Japanese and anti-Chinese sentiments on here. When Japan denies something, the rest of the nipponophiles go along and deny with them. I love how everyone keeps acting as if it’s only the Chinese who hate the Japanese. Please, why is it that no Western media ever reports anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan? Why is it that no Western media reports that anti-Chinese sentiment is actually ENCOURAGED in Japan? In Japan, by claiming you want to get rid of all the Chinese is enough to win you elections (Ishihara Shintarou, governor/mayor of Tokyo is PROOF).

        //So in this sense, I think the feeling of a few dirty, backwards, communist and dogsmelling 300 kiloton thermo-nuclear warheads delivered from inferior, copycat, communist, chink-shit, communist and again communist DongFeng-21C MRBM’s striking with full force into glorious superior, clean, pure, beautiful and democratic Nippon, would be so satisfying for the subhuman Chinese, like a multiple orgasm//

        I lol’d at this so hard. Indeed, I’ve noticed this on Japanese websites too. Japanese call Chinese “beings that are worse than cockroaches”, but yet they constantly whine that China will invade Japan and make Japan a Special Administrative Region. So… is China a third-world country who can’t do shit, or is this third-world country full of cockroaches powerful enough to destroy the Dai Nippon Koku? LOL! This is why I will always associate Japan with denial.

        • Haha. lol yeah the cockroach-logic is a god-tier intellectual fallacy. It (literally) ‘bugs’ me everytime when some zealous right-wing Nipponese are declaring Chinese as subhuman animals and cockroaches, but on the same time are accusing the Cockroach-Emperors of the CCP of ‘human-rights abuses’ against their own cockroach population. THIS is god-tier logic. So what now, I always ask myself? If declaring the Chinese as subhuman cockroaches, devoid of any worth and dignity, then why give a crap about cockroaches killing and oppressing cockroaches, while using this useless fact as an further excuse to bash the cockroach-nation of China? Are chinese now worthless cockroaches? If yes, so why always pointing out how many ppl they killed during Cultural Revolution or during Liu-Si, when only cockroaches were hurt? Or are they actually humans and the glorious nipponese are just sucking @ comprehendible and halfways logically reasonable xenophobia ?

        • Gosh, you just wont stop. I want to stop but you always tempt me to point out how your points are wrong.

          1. The western media do talk about Japanese human rights abuse toward foreigners (which include Chinese).
          2. Ishihara Shintarou is a douche that hate everyone, he talk shit about blacks, French, this race and that race…he is a dick, its known, but the Japanese vote for him cuz his policies work.
          3. Western media do not talk about anti-chinese sentiment in Japan becuz unlike China, Japanese ppl usually dun go around beating up Japanese ppl, smashing up stores…or actions that will make themselves hit international news even if they are openly racist.
          4. China is hated throughout the Asian-Pacific Region. The gov have no ethics at all; we are talking about a gov that can run over her citizens with tanks infront of everyone and say we didnt do anything afterall. Taiwanese, South Koreans, Mongolians, Indians, Russians…even HKers and so forth all hated China becuz their gov is not one that can be trusted.

          I personally is not that afraid of the rise of China, I don’t know why anyone should be, China is a country that “speak loudly, but carry a small stick”. They are better at open threats that posing real threats. I am more worry about its well being since its policies is full of flaw and if that country is going to collaspe, i worry about the well being of its 1.2 billion ppl.

          • Can you imagine if someone as xenophobic as Ishihara possibly be the mayor of the most important city in a country in ANY other developed country? Can you imagine the mayor of New York, London, Paris, etc. openly bashing foreigners? You know if the Japanese vote for Ishihara because his “policies” work even though he is a racist, how are they any different from NAZIS?! Yeah, you heard me, Nazis. Hitler was a racist, but his policy of uniting Germany worked.

            Japanese don’t beat up Chinese? Maybe you want to investigate on the uyoku dantai in Japan. They successfully boycotted the film, “Yasukuni” from showing in Tokyo. They have also successfully assassinated and murdered Japanese politicians and activists who call for friendlier ties with China and Korea. When they are not doing all of that, they are in Tokyo screaming racist comments. Many have told me most Japanese just ignore them, as if that actually means they disagree. Isn’t ignoring a problem the same thing as silently agreeing?

            //China is hated throughout the Asian-Pacific Region. The gov have no ethics at all; we are talking about a gov that can run over her citizens with tanks infront of everyone and say we didnt do anything afterall.//

            You sound like you actually care about the people of China here… I would have believed you, but then you just had to defend all the Japanese who support in exterminating the Chinese race.

          • >>You sound like you actually care about the people of China here… I would have believed you, but then you just had to defend all the Japanese who support in exterminating the Chinese race.

            Dont bother him. Maocunt is just using the cockroach-logic here in this case.
            He pretends to care about Chinese people’s lifes, by condemning the massacres of the CCP towards their own population and using this very same fact as an excuse to promote hate towards the Chinese in general.

            In the world of international hate and western arrogance, the lifes of the victims of western aggressions are always considered worthless, but when they are killed by their own government, suddently every single of those former worthless lowlifes turns into poor victims of oppression and all those former advocates of racist hate are suddently concerned citizens, faking tears and sadness.

            Intellectual fallacy.

            Actually, this reminds me of the deliciously funny Nazi-Propaganda in the 30′s. Everybody knows that Nazi’s hated socialists and communists themselves, but this didnt hinder them to use the police crackdowns on worker-riots in the USA during the economic-crash as a proof for the ‘sensless brutality of the jewish-dominated US Government’ in their own hate-propaganda against the ‘jewish US’.

          • Ever heard of the burakumin?
            No?
            That’s because the western media doesn’t report about it.

          • Hongjian,

            No one is hating no one. Its true that the many in western world are gang-banging on China for their self interest. But interestingly, the CCP and their supporters are also gang-banging the western world + (their own ppl, lol) for their self interest.

            I honestly love your totalitarian theories. They are so twisted but they make so much sense. We just need to find a dictator that will enslaved mankind and make them work like slaves. No energy wasted, everything relocated solely on development. The dictator will enjoyed all the luxuries while the rest of the world will starved. And who will that dictator be, Mr. Hongjian, is it going to be you?

            I also noticed that you are in the German army for a while. Did you get your ass raped by your fellow comerades? I, myself, served as a reserve with the 32 Canadian Brigade for a few years. I still recalled how many of my comerades in arms left the job scarred for the rest of their life (Despite the fact that we weren’t sent to Afghanistan).

            Now this reminds me, didn’t Hitler also got his ass raped in the German army by his comerades in the trenches of WWI.

        • Question for you, and every other Japan basher, in regards to how foreigners and Chinese are treated there… if it’s so bad for foreigners, especially Chinese, in Japan, then why are they moving there, living there for years, and seeming to thrive? In Germany and many other Western European countries there are numerous incidents of violence and racist rhetoric directed at immigrants and “foreigners”, some of it even coming from large political parties and government officials, yet who would label those countries and their people as inherently racist? Japan, like China in many ways, is a very homogeneous society. Considering that until a few decades ago the only foreigners in Japan were a few Koreans, Chinese, and American soldiers, Japan has more quickly adapted to foreigners than many other developed nations, hasn’t it? Aren’t there other countries that have a much longer history of multi-culturalism, more global history, less homogeneous society, yet seem even less welcoming to immrigants and the integration of foreigners into their society?

          • I do not know of a single famous Chinese who is thriving in Japan. As for Koreans, I’ve heard of some ethnic Koreans doing quite well… after hiding their identity. Many ethnic Koreans who are doing well probably also immigrated back to Korea or some other part of the world. A famous Zainichi Chousenjin is very unlikely to be popular only in Japan.

            My argument would be flawed though, if someone can find proof that despite the fact that the Japanese hate the Chinese so much, they continue to flock to China. Nonetheless, this statement does not seem to be true.

            As for other countries’ view on immigrants, maybe, maybe not. I’m not an expert on their immigration views and policies. We are talking about Japan (or China on this site in general) here.

          • some_guy…

            You seem to be unable to back up your arguments with any data, so why will others want to waste their time finding data to support their counter argument? You have zero proof for YOUR argument. I question that, and I need proof to counter yours? Hunh? It seems your ideas are based soley on whether you’ve heard about it or not. Unless you are a really well connected player in Japan, who speaks Japanese fluently, has really worked hard to be part of Japanese society, for along time, and for some reason has their finger on the pulse of this issue in Japan, such as belonging to an Immigrant Group, your arguments would seem just as hollow and blatantly antagonistic as the imaginary Beijing U. student. I’m sure if you really wanted to, considering how good your Japanese is, and the large amount of Japanese government statistics online, you could actually find some numbers if you wanted to. They might not support your angry theories though.

            “As for other countries’ view on immigrants, maybe, maybe not. I’m not an expert on their immigration views and policies. We are talking about Japan (or China on this site in general) here.”

            And when people start suggesting how bad a place is, it’s important to make sure they actually have something to compare it to. Some real, first-hand knowledge or source would be nice to back up your idea that Japan is so bad. Compared to what???

          • //You seem to be unable to back up your arguments with any data, so why will others want to waste their time finding data to support their counter argument? You have zero proof for YOUR argument.//

            Can you read Japanese? If so, I’ll gladly be able to show you numerous websites and comments in Japanese that support my view. But for now, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPTz8iJmCo&feature=related

            I have already posted the video above before in this thread, but w/e. Feel free to check that out: it’s a program by Channel Sakura. While most of the clips are in Japanese, the one I provided is in English. Japanese are now using English to persuade everyone that China is an “evil Communist Empire” who threatens to take over the world, and that Hatoyama (current PM of Japan) is a traitor for being soft on China. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything so exaggerating from a news TV program… this is about what FOX News would say. Yet, the difference is that Channel Sakura is a well-respected and loved channel in Japan (just click on its youtube channel and see how many subscribers it has!).

            Anyways, I have a final in a few hours, so I’m not going to find all the Japanese links unless you tell me you can understand Japanese. I’ll post them after I’m done with my finals if you really want them so badly.

            If you need proof though, in the meantime, check out the video link I posted, then click on Channel Sakura’s channel on youtube. Most of them in Japanese, but some of the ones provided by Gemki Fujii are in English. Watch his reports and read the comments made by the Japanese.

          • some_guy,

            I already told you that channel Sakura is not a popular news network in Japan and its fcken Bias.So Are you ignorant and just pain stupid? Are you going to use “Glenn Beck” as a representation of the entire American Culture?

            Let me repeat, your so called “media that are hated by the Japanese ppl as being treacherous”, Asashi (朝日新聞), is actually one of the mainstream newspaper group in Japan. Channel Sakura is “hardly mainstream”.

            I just need to add the point, can you stop acting like an expert of Japanese cuz you aint. I prob noe much more about Japan than you, but I will not pretend to be a Japanese expert and tell ppl they have no rights to speak about Japan. You are just “a fengqing” that is envious of all the popularity that Japanese “seems to be having” online. (The fact is that ppl are arguing based on a moral stance, and in the moral stance, the beijing student above is being stupid and rude,most of them prob aint pro-japanese but just anti stupid and rude behavior)So let me tell you what, if you want people to hate Japanese, go proof your points about how Japanese are buch of perverts that love to have sex with dolls and stealing panties. That will surely get you more support.

          • Who’s Glenn Beck?

            //I already told you that channel Sakura is not a popular news network in Japan and its fcken Bias.So Are you ignorant and just pain stupid?//

            Yeah… just look at how many subscribers there are on youtube! Not popular my ass…

            //Let me repeat, your so called “media that are hated by the Japanese ppl as being treacherous”, Asashi (朝日新聞), is actually one of the mainstream newspaper group in Japan. Channel Sakura is “hardly mainstream”.//

            Alright, what about Sankei Shimbun? Isn’t that anti-China (though not as strong as Channel Sakura)? What about Yomiuri Shimbun? Isn’t that also anti-China to a certain degree? In fact, the only mainstream media that is soft on China is Asahi Shimbun. NHK is also soft on China, but NHK isn’t even supposed to be promoting political beliefs, since it is a public broadcasting station.

            //I just need to add the point, can you stop acting like an expert of Japanese cuz you aint. I prob noe much more about Japan than you, but I will not pretend to be a Japanese expert and tell ppl they have no rights to speak about Japan.//

            I’m sure you know more about Japanese culture than I do. You might want to lecture me on Honne and Tatemae. Japanese act like they don’t hate Chinese based on their Tatemae, but when it comes to their Honne, they hate Chinese to death. The Internet exposes their Honne. Elections expose their Honne, which is why Japanese feverishly support politicians who want to extinguish Chinese (like Ishihara Shintarou). If you understand Japanese at all, you would know that most Japanese voters online regretted voting for DPJ simply because of “change”, especially after discovering how much Hatoyama wants friendship with East Asia. Now, the entire Minshutou has been labeled as “traitors” to Japan. Japanese long for the day the Jiyuu Minshutou comes back to power (even though Fukuda Yasuo, an LDP prime minister, was more pro-China than most Minshutou politicians, lol).

            //You are just “a fengqing” that is envious of all the popularity that Japanese “seems to be having” online.//

            Oh yeah, I’m a fenqing alright. Also, I do not hate everything Japanese. I’m a fan of Japanese anime and games… an “otaku”, if I dare to use that word to describe myself. I had a lot of respect for Japan for awhile, but after discovering that both otakus and Chinese are considered enemies to the Japanese society, I’m not so sure I can like Japan so much anymore.

            //(The fact is that ppl are arguing based on a moral stance, and in the moral stance, the beijing student above is being stupid and rude,most of them prob aint pro-japanese but just anti stupid and rude behavior)//

            Meh, I’ll agree with you here. It was too trivial for me to comment on (the subject), but I had to comment when everybody here started to defend Japan as if it’s a flawless nation.

            //So let me tell you what, if you want people to hate Japanese, go proof your points about how Japanese are buch of perverts that love to have sex with dolls and stealing panties. That will surely get you more support.//

            No need to, as an anime otaku, I already know what kind of stuff that put in their shows. I don’t watch hentai, but I have seen quite a few ecchi anime. Some of the stuff I’ve seen in ecchi anime will never make it on public television here in the US. (I assume you know what I’m talking about since you claim to know more about the Japanese culture than I do)

          • Some_one,

            //”Yeah… just look at how many subscribers there are on youtube! Not popular my ass…”//

            Are you everyone there are Japanese, from japan. I argue with some Japanese-ultra nationalists on youtube, later, they asked me to be their friend. I decline, but how many ppl in the same situation will accepted?

            //Alright, what about Sanka Shimbun? Isn’t that anti-China (though not as strong as Channel Sakura)? What about Yomiuri Shimbun…/

            Sankei Shimbun is a conservative newspaper.Every newspaper have to find a niche, and Sankei’s niche is the “Japanese rednecks”. And even so, Asashi Shimbun is a more popular newspaper than Sankei. All media have their political beliefs even though they shouldn’t, the fact that most Japanese watch NHK over news channel means that most Japanese are not “ultra-right winged nationalists”.

            “I’m sure you know more about Japanese culture than I do. You might want to lecture me on Honne and Tatemae. Japanese act like they don’t hate Chinese based on their Tatemae…”

            The general trend in Japan is that they don’t want to have close ties with a giant country that will overshadow them and have no benefits. I see nothing wrong for such fear; Many HKers, Macau-ers and (Pro-Unification)Taiwanese (all ethnic Chinese) hate closer ties with mainland China becuz it is not beneficial. Are they anti-Chinese? Obviously not, closer ties just doesn’t benefits them.

            “Oh yeah, I’m a fenqing alright. Also, I do not hate everything Japanese. I’m a fan of Japanese anime and games… an “otaku”, if I dare …”

            “Otaku” means fanatic; not necessary anime/manga. Since you like anime/manga, its clear you dont hate all Japanese ppl. (Btw, Do you like Taro Aso, he hates Chinese but loves Otaku) As for mainstream Japan hating “otakus”, you kind off got it right and wrong, but don’t alot of Chinese hate Otakus the same way the Japanese hated Otakus too?

          • (this is kinda off-topic)

            //No need to, as an anime otaku, I already know what kind of stuff that put in their shows. I don’t watch hentai, but I…//

            Yes, I get what you mean, even I want to admit I don’t; Japan have a very open sex culture that I never get.
            No matter how many times I look back, it always shocked me how the Japanese doesn’t give a shit when they put adult magazines next to children books in convenience stores. (The adult magazines is put in places even a 5 year old can get with no help too)

            I too am exposed to Japanese culture based on anime. Yet, I dig deeper. I went to look at their history, mythology, history, and modern society. They are like Chinese as they are both heavily influenced by Confucius.In fact, many “racist attitude” of their “racist” attitude deprived from them and you can really put them in the same light as the Chinese’s. Treat the treatment of the Ainu for example, it’s like how Han Chinese treats other ethnic minorities. Chinese once have Burakumin too; even till today, people working “dirty jobs” are looked down on.

            BTW, when I mean Japanese stealing panties, I meant their groping issue. It is so big there on their subways, they have “carts for females”, “hot lines”… Western media talks about it and poked fun of it. Hence, if you want to make fun of Japan, start there (its not even directed against Otakus). I always find it funny how my gf love the subway in Canada (I hated it, Japan’s is so much better). She says she like it here becuz she dont worry about getting groped in rush hour.

            PS: Check up Glenn Beck on youtube, you will hate the guy.

          • //Are you everyone there are Japanese, from japan. I argue with some Japanese-ultra nationalists on youtube, later, they asked me to be their friend. I decline, but how many ppl in the same situation will accepted?//

            I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. Your first sentence has something to do with punctuation and grammar that prevents me from understanding, and the rest just doesn’t make sense. You mean the uyoku dantai started cursing at you and then wanted to be your friend? Doesn’t make sense… w/e, the uyoku dantai are composed of retards anyways.

            //The general trend in Japan is that they don’t want to have close ties with a giant country that will overshadow them and have no benefits. I see nothing wrong for such fear; Many HKers, Macau-ers and (Pro-Unification)Taiwanese (all ethnic Chinese) hate closer ties with mainland China becuz it is not beneficial. Are they anti-Chinese? Obviously not, closer ties just doesn’t benefits them.//

            It makes me wonder if you’re living in the 21st century. Nothing comes out from better ties with China? It has been pretty much unanimously agreed by the Western world that any country’s ties with China will be some of the most important ones in the world. Only Japan continues to deny this, out of all the developed countries. Other developed countries, like US, European ones, etc. may scold China’s human rights records, but when it comes down to business, they know they need China’s cooperation. If China has nothing beneficial or important to the world, then what’s up with the G-2 concept? Japan, I can understand because it’s a country full of denial (I’m not just talking about their denial of history; some say the culture of “kawaii” is a form of denial as well… as with the culture of “hikkikomori” and the high suicide rates).

            As for HK… it’s getting better. A lot of HKers are starting to warm up to the mainland, completely different from it was ten years ago. You don’t really hear people declaring HK independence now, do you? Not even the Western media where I live (who loves to bash China) picks up on that.

            Taiwan is an interesting one. I happen to be Taiwanese, just that my family is one of the very rare pro-KMT and pro-eventual unification people. My family is probably one of the very few Taiwanese family who stopped speaking Taiwanese ever since the KMT ruled Taiwan. To be honest, I didn’t hear my grandmother speak Taiwanese until a few years ago, when we were at a farmer’s market and she was talking to this guy who was poor at Mandarin, so she resorted to Taiwanese. But yes, anyways, ties between Taiwan and the Mainland are also improving, largely because of the straits being opened to both sides. My father is a Taishang living in Beijing at the moment.

            //“Otaku” means fanatic; not necessary anime/manga. Since you like anime/manga, its clear you dont hate all Japanese ppl. (Btw, Do you like Taro Aso, he hates Chinese but loves Otaku) As for mainstream Japan hating “otakus”, you kind off got it right and wrong, but don’t alot of Chinese hate Otakus the same way the Japanese hated Otakus too?//

            True about the otaku definition, but many associate “otaku” with nerdy hobbies. And no, I don’t hate all the Japanese people; just the ones who hate the Chinese and wish for the death of the “cockroach” nation (which is pretty much every Japanese who does not work for NHK or Asahi… or the DPJ).

            Also, why would I like Aso Taro? He hates Chinese. Besides, what has he done to improve the image of otakus? Even the “mythical” Densha Otoko has done more to improve the otaku image. I know I’ve heard him trying to promote anime culture, but I’ve failed to see any significant changes on the image of otakus. Otherwise, I’m sure Asahi Shimbun, Anime News Network, or My Anime List news team would have reported about it. In fact, if anything else, Aso Taro’s failure that led to LDP’s most humiliating defeat in Japanese history can only hurt the image of otakus. We need a strong, confident otaku to improve upon the image of otakus in general. We need a CEO of a big and well respected company to come out and say, “I love anime and RPG’s… so what?” But that’s obviously not going to happen anytime soon.

            //Yes, I get what you mean, even I want to admit I don’t; Japan have a very open sex culture that I never get.
            No matter how many times I look back, it always shocked me how the Japanese doesn’t give a shit when they put adult magazines next to children books in convenience stores. (The adult magazines is put in places even a 5 year old can get with no help too)//

            If you go to Chinese fenqing websites, no Japanese joke is complete without a ridicule of their perversion. But even then… I didn’t think Japan would be THAT perverted… it scares me to think they put porn mags where children can reach it. I’ve heard that some people say that they put very violent SM pornography mags anywhere where you can find books (bookstores, train stations, etc.)

            //I too am exposed to Japanese culture based on anime. Yet, I dig deeper. I went to look at their history, mythology, history, and modern society. They are like Chinese as they are both heavily influenced by Confucius.In fact, many “racist attitude” of their “racist” attitude deprived from them and you can really put them in the same light as the Chinese’s. Treat the treatment of the Ainu for example, it’s like how Han Chinese treats other ethnic minorities. Chinese once have Burakumin too; even till today, people working “dirty jobs” are looked down on.//

            You are probably right on Confucianism influencing certain racist behaviors among Asians (I was appalled at the Lou Jing incident, which ChinaSmack here has provided). I have heard of the Burakumin, but when discrimination is being talked about nowadays, most websites talk about discrimination against Chinese and Koreans. I’ve seen some sites calling them invisible minorities because while they are technically Japanese, they are still being discriminated against.

            As for anime and Japanese culture, I try to do that too. I think it’s much more interesting to look at anime from both a Western and a Japanese viewpoint and compare the two. The one I had most fun doing this was with Clannad: Afterstory (I don’t know if you’ve seen that, but it’s pretty good).

            Also, I’ve already been labeled as a 親日派 for liking Japanese anime. It doesn’t bother me anymore, as most Chinese netizens do not attack Japan that much anymore. In fact, I’d dare say a Chinese would be more hated on by his peers for being pro-America than for being pro-Japan nowadays.

          • Some_guy,

            //I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. Your first sentence has something to do with punctuation and grammar that prevents me…//

            Kay, I apologize there; I usually don’t do a check what I typed in online forums; its bad habit. Chinasmack is marking my comments to be too long and I have to trim it, i must have accidentally trim away some part. It should be:

            “Are you sure everyone there on Channel-Sakura “youtube channel” are Japanese, from japan, or support their views… I argue with some Japanese-ultra nationalists on youtube, later, they asked me to be their friend. I decline their offer, but there will be ppl on youtube that will accept their offer even their belief system is completely diff. Hence, you cannot really justify how popular the channel is simply based on subscribers on youtube.”

            //It makes me wonder if you’re living in the 21st century. Nothing comes out from better ties with China?…//

            Your views about relationship with China is rather naive. Its true that relationship with China is important but things are not black and white. Ever heard of “protectionism”? There are many situations where the influx of cheap quality Chinese goods can do better harm than good.

            My father is a merchant and he have business partners in Japan/Taiwan/HK; ever since China open up their market, alot of his partners’ industries were out-completed and many ppl were left unemployed. Japan’s unemployment rate is soaring, they do not need closer ties with China/ the same situation is for Taiwan (You should know this better than me, I got this impression based on what I read from Apple Daily and from Taiwanese friends).

            Its a international recognized fact that China is pushy. They dont realli give a shit about fucking other ppls economy as long as it profit themselves; this is also a reason why the world want to keep its distance with China (Yet,these same bastards love the Chinese sweatshops).

            As for HK, the situation is rather complicated. The upper classes are getting happier and happier with China. Most of the middle class hates ties with China. As for the lower class, the bulk of them are immigrants from the mainland (They are China’s effort to assimilate HK and the burden of HK’s economy through welfare). From the start, HK independence movement never got any momentum. Hkers are very “real”. They won’t do something that have a 99.99% failure rate. The momment UK forsaken them, they know they are doomed, so they just live with it or immigrate to another country.

            Btw, Dont worry you are not 親日派 (they are really retards if they call you one), you are clearly a 反日派. You may think I am a 親日派, but I am not; I am simply being moderate. I don’t agree with Japanese “war crimes” denial as much as I don’t agree with Chinese Chauvinism.

            Its good that you look at diff sources to understand Japanese culture (Abeit one sided, but you have more hope than fengqings that just read Nanjing massacre and go beserk), but always look at it in the other persons’ shoes. You will see more.

  76. This fake conversation log article is so ghey. What’s the point?

  77. We should find all of the things that the Japanese do wrong and blame them for those things. Then we should ignore anything they do right.

    After that, we’ll forget the notion that they can’t help but not know about the past that their government has hidden so well. We should then blame them for the horrible mistakes of their ancestors. After all, we’re dealing with the same genes. Never mind that Japan is simply a historical offshoot of China.

  78. Japan, China, Israel, Rothschilds, emperors, monarchies, communists, war profiteers, traders, exporters, importers, propagandists, private soldiers, generals, secretaries, prime ministers, presidents, kings, queens, New York City bums, crazy repeaters, central bankers, U.S. southern rednecks, etc. are all the same. Make no difference to me.

    For the male individuals with high hormones: Grow up and stop playing with money, politicial parties, and weapons. Better off playing with the computer games and MMORG (Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game) than working and sacrificing for some governments. Don’t forget that the world changes everyday, according to Buddhism. Territories occupied by humans even change century to century, while the shapes of continents are hardly different from millions of years ago (at least they do change). Are the mountains of the dead humans worthy enough to make the investors rich enough to pay the high-price prostitutes and merely modify the shapes of the territorial regions greedily desired by other humans? It has nothing with the fake gods of all kinds. Nothing, but the flawed, crazy, and imperfect humans’ spiritual inventions.

    Humans are still unable to invade sea to become the rulers of sea. Care to create territories around the oceans? No, we still can’t. It requires advanced technology to create a small sea town. Nothing, but an extremely few underwater resorts around the world, such as the under-construction Poseidon Undersea Resorts at Fiji.

    Henceforth, we need to start learning how to tweak with the global financial network to gain our individual powers and avoid becoming victims of financial micromanagement implemented by the central, national, and local bankers with biased goals and politics.

    This is the 21st century, we no longer rely on real-world violence for our survival. Get life and start thinking individually, to be contradicted to a group of the following lemmings. Stop being too gullible, servant, and obedient to the corrupted governments. Reduce a Jurassic-primitive territory as big as Russia into a futuristic territory as small as a human’s waist. Gradually, the 200,000 years old pyramidal structures (Homo sapiens emerged at this time and outsurived all other Homo” races, including Homo neanderthalensis – “Neanderthals”) found in all countries are crumbling down to refine the human evoultion, thanking to Internet.

    In past, we formed and organized as the Homo-sapiens groups to win our battles against the giant animals of the Ice Age for our meals and protection. Today, we are still struggling to depart the brainwashed groups to become the ultimate and universal individuals equipped with high tech devices to defy the upside-down international economies created by the primitive, exploiting, and greedy humans who are too dependent on the pyramidal-based culture, belief, and thinking for their “extravagant” survivals. Global warming scam and deception for a profit is a good example.

  79. Global warming scam and deception for a profit is a good example.

    Sorry. I don’t always do proofreading – Correct:

    Global warming scam is a good example.

  80. In my opinion,It is untrue.
    Otherwise,We must have known the student’s name.

  81. Yo! Peace on Earth. You gals from Beijing should learn to love your brothers from Tokyo. Beautiful boys from Kyoto should take a fancy to cute mandarin chicks from Shanghai. Everybody, love eachother, forget the hate and the haters. Peace Out!

  82. HAHAHA YOU GUYS ARE ALL LOSERS. WHO KNEW YOU ARE SO CONCERNED WITH CHINESE WEB ARTICLES AND SUCH??

    THIS WHOLE SITE IS HILARIOUS. PLEASE DONT MISTAKE, NO CHINESE CARE WHAT YOU GUYS COMMENT ON HERE. ONLY LAUGH YOU ACTUALLY TRANSLATE WHAT THEY SAY!

  83. This student doesn’t acknowledge that the Chinese government gives money and weapons to Darfur, where there’s currently a genocide going on.

    It’s easy for people to whitewash things and pretend like they didn’t happen in the past. Apparently it’s easy to whitewash things that are going on in the world TODAY too.

    http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=11773

    [Note from Fauna: Comments under different names (GO CAPITALISM, lol/LOL, Capitalist Pig, COMMUNISM SUCKS, Counterfeit Eggs, Capitalism Rocks Communism Sucks, & BRING HER TO JUSTICE).]

  84. This guy has absolutely selective memory,views.Forgot about Tibet..Tienanmen square killings……..but its just fake propaganda incident anyway.All of you that think and view Japan as your enemy are dummies.Wake up at last….USA is your enemy.Mmmm still sleeping..

  85. Well as an chinese student I am 200% sure this show is fake .
    There is a joke about an Peiking Uni girl who blame capitalism in front foreigh reports and married an old west men after she left school…smart girl..
    Of cause ,she was a ccp party member .
    We often thought:”what great sacrifice she has paid to infiltrate into the so-hateful capitalism “

  86. CCP killed more people than any other government in human history, that is a fact

  87. That guy was funny: “do you use any Japanese products?” “Yep, a toilet.” Awesome reply.

  88. My love for Japan is never as great as it is when I am in China.

    • Then why don’t you move to japan and troll the japanese messageboards instead? You can start with Japantoday, lots of idiotic gaijin trolls on that one. You would fit right in.

  89. My love for Japan is never as great as it is when I read comments by people like you, in China.

    • I am not in China right now. I’ve also loved Japan enough to live there for a few years, enough to know what’s good and bad about it. Now, as for a wannabe like you, I think the japanese term “uzai” fits you very well.

  90. I’m Chinese, but the responses of the student are ignorant and offensive.

  91. I don’t understand what’s so great about this student.

    All I see is a bunch of cheapshots to a reporter just trying to do his job. A lot of his responses lacked class (a common trait for all chinese) and quite juvenile.

    • That student had just the right response to those ignorant and arrogant questions.
      Confront your own demons at home before you travel looking to cast attention away from your own failings and horrible crimes.

  92. Someone sent me a message that the chinese are disgusting because they let their babies pee in the streets.
    I would have to look at the whole picture and judge.
    What is more disgusting a baby peeing in the streets, or bayonetting babies in the streets (Like the Japanese did in Nanking.)
    I’ll take the chinese babies peeing anyday !!!

  93. ah, another stupid piece of Chinese nationalism. The piece is obviously fake, it was rather a monologue, as the journalist never confronted the student about his answers.
    It’s just sad to see a country rising in such a conflictive manner, nationalism and unilateralism spreading through a nation bound by fear, inferior complex and resentment. How sad China. Could things go any lower

  94. Comparing Mao’s failed economic and political policies to Japanese’s brutalities is like comparing vehicle manslaughter to serial homicide.

  95. “Not only did they deny the actions of the WWII Japanese Military but in the Japanese text books it instead says that Japan helped the rest of Asia (including China) by civilly occupying them, open up their markets and gave them new ideals.”

    Have you ever even read the history textbooks used in Japanese junior high schools? I have read several from leading publishers, and NONE of them contain the slanted view of history you describe.

    Get a grip on reality.

  96. in all my magnificence and glory. who are you?

  97. Acutally,
    the mongolian dynasty was “chinese” garbage is the Political Correctness garbage thats going on, since the Mongols are part of the “56 ethnicities”.

    its more a PC garbage than what not.

  98. 1. Chinese invasion of Vietnam was a response to Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia.

    2. The Mongol rulers that invaded China named emperors and proclaimed the Yuan dynasty to legitimize their rule over China.

  99. It’d have to be a hell of a high-rise. I live on the top floor of a 12-storey building in Beijing and I could still hear people hawking up phlegm below, or at least the people with decades of cigarettes and Beijing air doing a number on their lungs. It’s all part of the magical rhythm of the city.

  100. “Chinese” carhorns haha.

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