Higher Death Compensation For Foreigners, Netizens React

From XinhuaNet:

Recently, the Shenzhou branch of The People’s Insurance Company (Group) of China entrusted a lawyer to petition Hengyang City Immediate People’s Court in Hunan Province, demanding further hearing regarding a mistaken verdict by the aforementioned company in dealing with compensation issues in a traffic accident. As a result, this quiet incident of the “domestic car accident, whether foreigners and countrymen have the same value,” caused waves of heated debates.

Death of Singaporean national in an car accident, the family demand compensation of 4 million yuan.

The morning of March 9th, a Singaporean national named Cheng Rui was riding on a passenger car driven by Zhao Guanzong from Hengdong, Hunan Province, traveling by the way of  the Hunan section on Jingzhu Highway. At the time, there was heavy fog, causing limited visibility. At the same time, at that section of the highway, Zhang Weihua from Shicao Village of Dancheng County in Hunan province was driving a heavy semi-trailer truck. Although facing foggy circumstances, Zhang Weihua did not lower his speed according to regulations. When he realized there was a traffic accident ahead between the passing lane and the normal lane, he was too slow to respond, causing his vehicle to collide with a concrete-mixer truck ahead, at the same time, the concrete-mixer truck collided with the vehicle driven by Zhao Guanzong making an illegal left lane change, pushing Zhao Guanzong’s car to collide with a heavy cargo truck, leading to a tragedy. Cheng Rui in the passenger car died instantly. Riding in the same car, Zeng Hui, Cheng Li, Zhao Yangjie, Zhou Hongming all received different degrees of injuries, among them Zeng Hui received 5th degree injuries, Cheng Li received 10th degree injuries.

In the aforementioned incident, Hunan Province Public Security Bureau, Traffic Police manager Tan Lei confirmed: Zhang Weihua violated “The Road Traffic Safety Law,” “The Road Traffic Safety Regulations”, and related rules, he is the main reason for the cause of the accident, and should take the main responsibility. Since Zhao Guanzong chose to [illegally] pass when facing the parked or slowing car ahead of him, he is the secondary reason for the accident, and must take secondary responsibility toward the incident.

April 15th, 2009, Cheng Rui’s father filed lawsuit at Hengdong County People’s Court, where the accident took place. September 29th, 2009, Hengdong county People’s Court held public hearing regarding this case.

During the trial hearing, Cheng Rui’s father brought up that Cheng Rui was his only son, studied abroad and immigrated to Singapore. The plaintiff’s investment in [his son's] development included labor, material, and wealth [investments]. Cheng Rui’s sudden death, brought them unrecoverable spiritual suffering and huge economic loss. Therefore, the plaintiff demanded from the defendant to compensate various losses totaled at 4 million yuan.

The accused Zhang Huawei’s entrusted representative Liu Xueqin argued, the plaintiff’s compensation request is too high, and would only accept compensation in accordance with the laws and regulations. Another defendant’s [representative] from The People’s Insurance Company (Group) of China Shenzhou branch argued, the plaintiff’s request for compensation of death and spiritual loss is too high, and it does not have legal justifications. Both sides’ opinions differed greatly.

Comments on XinhuaNet

西风留旧寒:

Import price is high, export price is low!!!

jklasdf:

After 1976, foreigners regained their status as masters.

闽南风:

I suddenly feel the Qing Dynasty is not so bad!

yebaiheqi:

It is far more than the different values between our countrymen and foreigners. Just domestically, people in cities and towns have the same lives, but different values, and that is already difficult to accept…

血仍未冷:

This is the essence of the Reform and Opening Up, moreover [a policy] that didn’t change for 100 years!

聊天喝茶:

In China, it should follow Chinese laws, why scruple with foreigners’ laws, this is not equal!

刚从山上来:

Chinese history is like this, foreigners worth more than the Chinese, foreign dogs also worth more than Chinese dogs.

东方庶评:

Why so many people want to get a green card, this is another good explanation.

picesfish:

Even the compensation between domestic cities and villages are different, let alone foreigners.

Comments on Sohu:

搜狐浙江省宁波市网友:

Slave mentality remains unchanged to this day. Cups, the cups of the country, the cups of the nation.

搜狐江苏省苏州市网友:

In China, it should follow China’s laws. Isn’t everyone equal supposed to be equal in the face of the law?

搜狐手机网友:

If they are from countries below the poverty line, will they receive less compensation?

搜狐河南省网友:

Even if I die I will go to developed nations abroad [to die].

搜狐云南省昆明市网友:

Many views all compare Chinese with foreigners from countries with higher economic capacity than us, if they are foreigners from economic capacities lower than our country (e.g. North Koreans, Laotians) who had accidents here, should [they] receive less compensation compared to [people] domestically? In reality it is not the difference between foreigners and Chinese, but the difference between the rich and the poor. Even domestically, the lives between the rich and the poor have different values, how many more examples do you need?

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  1. Repatriation of deceased people is quite expensive.

    • Maybe not that expensive after cremation. Only takes the smallest DHL box.
      Off the topic, but I’m really curious (& no offense):
      How many % of westerns are willing to donate their organs after death?
      And how many % of westerns accept cremation?

      • In the UK, around 75% of people are cremated. It is cheaper, for one. We know the value of money here…
        There is the Protestant tradition to consider too.

        Organ donor numbers are very low in the UK. Thousands of people are waiting for organs. There is talk of having an ‘opt out’ system.

  2. Just because this person is a foreigner and his demanded compensation is higher, does not mean compensations are higher because he is a foreigner. Until more detailed information surfaces, this seems like a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    • That’s what I thought to. I have a feeling this is more a problem of leverage than valuing waiguoren over chinese. too bad we don’t get a little more information.

    • In the US, when someone dies, you have an accountant figure out the future lifetime earnings of the deceased and sue for that amount (with a reduction for upfront payment instead of an annuity). (You can also sue for loss of effection, i.e., sex, and emotional distress, etc.) Accordingly, high earners are worth more than low earners, retired people, and children. Presumably, the Singaporean national has higher earnings than the local Chinese and so deserves more. If the Chinese national earns more than the SG national, than the Chinese national should get paid more.

      Anyway, life here in China is unfortunately very cheap. Only 200,000 RMB for per dead baby from melamine poisoning. I suspect that if monetary damages were higher safety would be more of an issue. The death penalty apparently doesn’t deter people (for example, one would have thought Shanghai Panda would have stopped selling melamine tainted milk in 2009 after other earlier sellers were put to death).

  3. This foreigner wasn’t a white person, so the people objected to the demands.

  4. Yeah, the guy asked for 4 million and didn’t get it. What’s the big deal? Why are people outraged? The Chinese court said the same law applied to foreigners and Chinese.

  5. The compensation should be based on someone’s earning potential rather than nationality. A Chinese CEO with 6 figure RMB monthly income should worth a lot more than say, an english teacher who makes 4-5 figure monthly salaries, provided they are similar in age. In this case, if the victim has a singapore passport and can legally work in singapore of course his family should be rewarded higher compensation: the per capita income in singapore is one of the highest in the world.

    Compared to the US tort system the Chinese system heavily favors the offender rather than the victim, and there is little flexibility for exceptions.

  6. Car insurance rates must be crazy in China. It looks like everyone screwed up in this accident, illegal turn, driving too fast. I have no desire to drive in China.

    • For driving here, I can ensure you that “following the rules” won’t let you do more than a few hundreds meters.
      You will start to do illegal move on your 80km/h limited road when:
      a) There’s a brand new car driving at 20km/h in front of you, meaning it’s a beginner, and he probably plans to cruise 20km/h all the way
      b) There’s a truck getting in, and getting in in China means rushing through either the middle or left lane without taking any consideration for vehicles already in
      c) There’s a motorbike going the wrong way and rushing toward you, honking and flickering its headlight.
      d) That car is trying to make a U-turn because it just missed the exit and there’s no way it goes to the next one!

      All of these cases very regularly experienced.

      • I personally enjoy the experience of having a fully loaded frieght truck going the wrong way and rushing towards you in the middle of the night, no lights on, NOT flashing it’s headlights. Now THAT’s a rush. Try it on the highway to the airport in Changsha!

  7. HI I AM BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!
    WELL, only Americans deserve a more generous compensation. This is the only way to keep CHina-America relationship on the line. Besides Americans think they are people of higher-class just because they have that blue passport with an eagle on it

  8. “In China, it should follow China’s laws. Isn’t everyone equal supposed to be equal in the face of the law?”

    Valuing people differently because of their position, their ancestry, their association, etc. is a long historical Chinese heritage, tradition with ancient cultural roots that must be honored by all. Have you ever heard of a party member valued the same as a poor peasant in the remote north west ? A senior government official in the Central valued the same as a poor shepherd in Tibet ? All Chinese must stand firm on that tradition and not eroding it with foreign ideas like fairness and equality. These are all lies.

  9. Did people fail to read the second to last paragraph?

    “During the trial hearing, Cheng Rui’s father brought up that Cheng Rui was his only son, studied abroad and immigrated to Singapore.”

    It appears the father is still in China. The son was originally from China. Doesn’t that really mean the son was an “overseas Chinese?” How can he be considered a “foreigner?”

    I don’t get it. Seems like just another greedy asshole trying to get rich off of family tragedy.

    Further, it seems like some one at XinhuaNet is just trying to stir up some nationalist feelings.

  10. Anybody who knows China knows that this is no longer news. This is a topic that comes up now and then and chinasmack covered it some time last year.

    As has been pointed out in the Chinese comments section; 1.There is a huge difference between what peasant farmers get compensated and what urban dwellers get. 2. Chinese want to get the hell out of here anyways, American Green Card, Canada, Australia, somewhere in Europe, anywhere.

    And really, it is a reflection of what the Chinese think of themselves and ‘their’ country.

  11. The replies here are so typical of the foolish mainland chinese thought pattern. You are yelling saying that foreign deaths should be worth less instead of arguing that Chinese deaths should be worth more. What a defeated mindset.

  12. “Valuing people differently because of their position, their ancestry, their association, etc. is a long historical Chinese heritage, tradition with ancient cultural roots that must be honored by all. Have you ever heard of a party member valued the same as a poor peasant in the remote north west ? A senior government official in the Central valued the same as a poor shepherd in Tibet ? All Chinese must stand firm on that tradition and not eroding it with foreign ideas like fairness and equality. These are all lies.”

    Hard to tell if you’re serious. If not, I offer this…. 5,000 years and still “developing” maybe you’re traditions are dumb and usueless. We used to have dumb and useless traditions too… we got rid of them…. now our western lives are better… use your brain.

  13. LOLZ

    “China has the highest road fatality rate in the world.”

    Can you provide a link to support this statement?

    According to Wikipedia that’s far from the case. China’s Road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants per year is lower than that of the worlds average.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    • Replace “per 100,000 inhabitants” by “per 10,000 engined vehicles” and you can get a better picture.
      It’s very easy to avoid traffic accidents where there’s no car…

      I can’t remember where I’ve seen that, so sorry for the lack of source, but if my memory is correct, China was the very worst country (of all country for which data were available!) on the list for several consecutive years…

      • Fair points and I’ve found some articles online to prove your memory right.

        While I don’t believe that road fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants per year is an accurate way of comparing, likewise I think there are many problems with road fatalities per 10,000 engined vehicles. Not least due to a massive number of unaccounted & unlicensed vehicles in China that may not be included in such vehicle numbers. I think that the most accurate way to compare would be using the largely incomplete Wikipedia list of Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km

        You said that “It’s very easy to avoid traffic accidents where there’s no car” but likewise I could say that It’s more difficult to avoid accidents in a densely populated country.

        I think however we can agree that comparing such statistics between countries is very difficult and extremely complex. Vehicles/driving habits/roads/geography/climate,etc are all factors.

    • http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/6378731.html

      Hey it was reported by the chinese government’s media, so I didn’t doubt it.

      Also, when I was searching for this I noticed that Indian press loved to report this.

  14. There is nothing rational nor logical in these discussions thus far.

    These …and lets not beat around the bush here…racist comments are truly an eye-opener to the rest of the world.

    Foreigners working in China make more money than Chinese. It’s not because foreigners are being NB and saying that their toilet paper should be all 100 RMB banknotes. It’s simply because foreigners have certain skills of expertise that most Chinese do not have, especially when it comes to voice recordings, teaching oral English, and certain technical engineering trades and safety techniques.

    Thus they earn more. If they die, their families stand to lose a lot of earned income.

    Now take a Chinese engineer in a factory making 4000 RMB a month VS an English teacher in Beijing earning 16000 RMB a month. If they both died in an accident, and both paid into an insurance plan equally, then YES… they should be insured up to the same amount.

    but if the foreigner is paying 140 RMB a month for insurance while the Chinese worker is paying 22 RMB a month… should the payout be equal then?

    Think with your reasoning and not your emotions.

  15. But foreigners have more children, leading to a dilution of future per capita GDP. This must be factored into the calculation. Oh…but they are fatter and less healthy, meaning that they will make a greater contribution to GDP. I’m torn.

    Perhaps the person who can eat the most hot dogs or apple pies in 5 minutes should be more valuable. Without a doubt, you will pay me even if I don’t die.

  16. Chris Devonshire-Ellis

    The legal issue is “compensation”. If someone dies, then the issue is of legal and civil responsibilty in the West. Its its legal, a criminal conviction can follow, (usually followed by jail), however the State does not decide upon any financial issue. That can be however brought by civil action, in which a compensation amount can be sought. This is what happened to OJ in the murder case over his wife, and a (somewhat preposterous) situation where he got off the murder charge but was found guilty of the civil charge -which involved compensation.

    The problem with the argument in China is that there is only one court – that decides both criminal and civil claims. Until that is altered, you’ll get problems such as this.

    I may also add, that in the case of the unfortunate Singaporean Cheng Rui – whether or not the defendant on the matter, – the Chinese man Zhao Guanzong despite his error, has the means to fork out RMB4million in damages and loss of earnings. He’s a cement truck driver. There is little point in persuing such cases, other than to expunge the deceased relatives passions over the incident, and cause some rather unpleasant, partially racist commentary. Regrettably, Cheng Rui is dead. Neither a civil action for damages, nor Zhao’s financial status (and I would assume inability to get anywhere near the compensation demanded) are able to do anything to change that.

    There is also the issue of life insurance. Surely if Cheng was relatively normal in Singapore he and his family would have taken out insurance against his death and earnings capacity to deal with such tragic circumstances? The answer does not lie in demanding compenation from a Chinese driver, although I agree the Chinese domestic equivilent leaves rather a lot to be desired. Its really an issue over the development of life insurance policies in China to be frank.

    I also understand that some countries Embassies will arrange to repatriate bodies of their nationals given financial restraints on the deceased relatives, although I’m not aware if this includes Singapore.

    Hope thats useful – Chris

    • “Its its legal, a criminal conviction can follow, (usually followed by jail), however the State does not decide upon any financial issue. That can be however brought by civil action, in which a compensation amount can be sought”

      In the EU it may be possible for the victim to seek damages in the criminal court proceedings provided that certain conditions are fulfilled. Some Member States also help the victim to enforce a judgment on damages against the offender. This is also the case with murder.

      “whether or not the defendant on the matter, – the Chinese man Zhao Guanzong despite his error, has the means to fork out RMB4million in damages and loss of earnings. He’s a cement truck driver”

      He is insured by 中国人民财产保险股份有限公司 (PICC) a very big company that is listed in HK. They have 4.000.000 Yuan.

      “It is not a measure of any civilised society, Chinese, Singaporean, or other, to ‘demand’ compensation for someones death by someone who is living”

      Still the actions of the living have left a family without a provider and if the state cannot compensate the victims family and the victim didn’t have an insurance, than the civilised thing is to let the perpetrator take the place of the deceased provider.

    • Oh god, here’s Chris Devonshire Ellis posing as a lawyer again. Dude, you are not a lawyer, in fact you never even graduated from university. Not only that, but because of the whole affair of you faking interviews with Chinese officials from last year no one in their right mind will listen to a word you say.

      • Chris Devonshire-Ellis

        Ah, FOARP, rabid bloodhound of the ill-informed. Still chewing on old bones long since chewed over I see. How dull a diet. Faking interviews? Hardly old boy. More like getting a certain Chinese banker out of hot water when he said something he shouldn’t have done. You seem to be running short on outrage these days. Let me give you some more: I run a sizable practice in China, India, Hong Kong and Vietnam. And publish legal, tax and business related books, magazines and websites about it all. But guess what? I’m not actually FROM China, India or Vietnam! Shocking eh? What a disgrace.
        Anyway, you carry on chewing old bones dear fellow, and I’ll keep on trying to do something useful.
        We’ve never actually met have we? Strange then how….you know too much!!!
        Toodle-pip!

        Chris

        [Note from Fauna: Please do not use multiple names.]

  17. Chris Devonshire-Ellis

    I should add however I find the Chinese method of demanding compensation immediately from foreigners for injury or death in accidents – and delivering circumstances (such as incarceration or other unpleaasantness) prior to any judicial examination of facts, often with Chinese Police collusion, to be borderline extortion and not a little troublesome on the legitimate apportion of blame. If this regard, China is more akin to the horrific eye for an eye and similar “honor” killings or punishments that are regrettably prevalent elsewhere. It is not a measure of any civilised society, Chinese, Singaporean, or other, to ‘demand’ compensation for someones death by someone who is living. That is precisely what life insurance is there to deal with. Otherwise high passions can lead to unfortunate repercussions way beyond the remit of civilised behavior or society.

  18. correct me if i’m wrong… but doesn’t the cartoon on top depict that chinese weight heavier then foreigners? ^_^

  19. 5,000 years and still “developing”

    What do you mean ? Chinese have just celebrated their 60th birthday of China in 2009. Where did that 5000 years came from ? Don’t you read the news anymore ?

  20. If foreigners aren’t worth more why do we get overcharged for everything?

  21. “5,000 years and still “developing”

    What do you mean ? Chinese have just celebrated their 60th birthday of China in 2009. Where did that 5000 years came from ? Don’t you read the news anymore ?”

    DOn’t talk to me, talk to them. It’s the Chinese that go on about 5,000 years anytime you try to talk sense to them.

  22. Lord Byron (aka Chris Devonshire-Ellis)

    FOARP I think you’ll find Mr. CDE is well read. Aren’t you fed up of having a dig at someone you appear to have a personal grudge against? You have a tiny, angry blog. He runs a media and consulting empire. Plus, his comments on this particular subject seem, after all, to make perfect sense. I’d take your petty vindictiveness elsewhere. If you have an issue with him – sue the bastard and be done with it. If not, then kindly shut up.

    [Note from Fauna: Please do not use multiple names.]

  23. Brook Carter (aka Chris Devonshire-Ellis)

    I had an American mate of mine who ran into a Chinese guy who crossed the road without looking suddenly. My mate was on his motorbike, the pedestrian (who had run out in the road) broke a leg, an ankle, and several fractured ribs. My friend had cuts and bruises (wearing a helmet) but the bike was wrecked. The Chinese bloke got carted off to hospital, my mate got taken to the police station and was held there for four days until he paid for medical bills and loss of earnings. In total, the amount came to close to USD15,000. It was both a rip-off to take advantage of a foreigner and a complete lack of any police work to identify culpability. Basically if you’re a foreigner and you get into an accident with a Chinese person in China it is always the foreigners fault. Because they’re foreign. Justice served purely and simply on the basis of race and not on any facts or evidence.

    [Note from Fauna: Please do not use multiple names.]

    • Your friend get my sincere sympathy.I dont think it has anything to do with whose fault it is. Guess our Chinese police borrowed the concept from Robin Hood or some French socialists: Kill the rich. (They earn more so they should pay more tax.)
      Sorry that in China if you are foreigner, you are unconviniently presumed as rich…

      I heard in some countries not matter whose fault it is, the one who hit always has to compensate the one who got hit. Dont know if this is the case?

    • LOL, is that why you had to create multiple aliases to fake support for your posts?

  24. He is a China-born immigrant. Not a ‘true’ foreigner. The family should not take such advantage and needs to be fair to the system.

  25. LOL @ stupid lawyers/pretending lawyers trying to start a flame war on this thread. I can see other professions goofing during work but shouldn’t you guys be working rather than posting your drivels on the internet all day long?

  26. I think its only fair, how many Chinese people jack up prices when they are asking for compensation from foreigners or rich people.

    Also, the thing is some of these foreigners have family and children outside China where the cost of living is much higher than China so in affect higher compensation is needed.

  27. “On the other hand a good teacher probably benefits society more than a Chinese CEO, does that count for anything?”

    This has little to do with my point. If you wish you can substitute the CEO with say a surgeon at a private chinese hospital, and my point is still the same. When dealing with the issue of compensation related to humans, why shouldn’t it be based on that person’s earning potential? In fact, most if not all of the western world courts use projected loss of income to decide for compensation in such cases.

    “What do people actually do if they get paralyzed from the neck down and the guy to blame is a drunk 18 year old who earns 1000 a month driving a beat down van?”

    Doesn’t every country have this problem? OJ Simpson was ordered to pay over $33M USD to the family of the guy he killed and he barely paid off any of that amount. A less sensational but well known case was Vincent Chin, where the Chinese American was murdered by some white people in detroit who thought Chin was Japanese. In that case the court ordered the killers to pay Chin’s family 1.5M but the killers were out of jobs. So the arrangement was to ask the murderers to pay at $200/month for the first two years and 25% income or $200/month thereafter, whichever was greater. Of course, the murderers never paid and the court never took any action to enforce this rule but enforcement is another aspect of the justice system.

  28. I guess if you never get an insurance for your life, owning a car without insurance is no big deal. But once you get one, then you wont feel good if one day you are driving without an insurance.
    We had a big discussion on the new year dinner about the American insurance reform, whether the government shall make health care compulsory. It is not a simple question. On the other hand, it is very funny to see how people react to Obama care plan…

  29. China has the highest road fatality rate in the world. But if you don’t ride bicycle to work you’ve already cut down that probability to a fraction.

    You gotta decide what you want though:
    Capt. WED says:
    Thursday, March 4, 2010 at 11:32 pm
    It may sound like I’m just saying shit. NO really. I”M DOWN TO DIE.

    Capt. WED says:
    Thursday, March 4, 2010 at 11:28 pm
    Try not to die.

  30. I’m an organ donor, and so long as they don’t need a liver or lungs they can have whatever they want. And in terms of cremation, meh, I think I’ll push for a mausoleum.

  31. I met a guy who had claimed to be in a Chinese jail for a short period of time (~15 days iirc) and he said that the jail time for foreigners was exactly half of the Chinese sentence. Said most of the foreigners were there for being having fucked a prostitute, the penalty being 10 or 20 days.

  32. “In China, it should follow China’s laws. Isn’t everyone equal supposed to be equal in the face of the law?” — I think this should be applied to every country. Evreyone should be equal…

  33. “In China, it should follow China’s laws. Isn’t everyone equal supposed to be equal in the face of the law?” — I think this should be applied to every country. Everyone should be equal…

  34. Whoops, wrong reply button. Pretend my post is down about one page.

  35. Still, 4,000,000 RMB is a pretty big retirement package if the guy is still living in China. But if I were him, I’d do the same. I agree with the point you’re making, in China if you’re old, you’ve got a lot to worry about and a lot of it you have no control over.

  36. Not really, if you die in a foreign country the way the guys in 9/11 did, it doesn’t suck at all, cause you instantly go to heaven, not to mention you get a bonus of 72 virgins free of charge.

  37. you are a fucking liar, you got hit twice? haha, if you dont have anything authentic to say just zip it then,

    you got hit? need a shoulder and a tissue?

  38. And you didn’t paid any compensation to them? Like: their scooter+medical expenses + lost salary = 50 000RMB?

  39. Tins of truth an happiness all of the time.

    Don’t tell me you are going to dare us to watch you die on video link or something like that.

    No one needs to see of hear about your desire for death.

    You would most likely regret it and feel rather unhappy the next day.

    Try to get some fresh air and exercise.

  40. Tins of your mamma has a mo'

    Yeah I have actually taken down a few people on my Electric and pushbikes. Feels kind of good when they walk in front of you without looking and on the phone and you collect them. People actually fly when you hit them.

    Those were the days. Now my bikes have been stolen, I can not enjoy those treasured moments.

  41. It is nice to have a prolonged life of your organs, but I am just so scared of anything related with death, so horrible to think of the state of non-thinking non-existence.
    But what Jones mentioned about less effort for saving donors is scary too…

  42. How do you feel about the time that predates your birth?

    Death is inevitable. Dont fear it.

  43. Yes… Only IF we were equal.

  44. You should move to Sichuan. Their ultra spicy hot pots may have they same effect as a viking funeral and as a bonus, also can blast you into space the next day.

    Although I would not want to be under those rockets upon take off.

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