Life in North Korean Prison Camp, Chinese Netizen Reactions

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From NetEase:

Foreign Media Exposes Life in North Korean Concentration Camp

According to a report by the UK’s Daily Mail on the 23rd, a guard of North Korea’s Prison/Concentration Camp No. 16 recently revealed the cruel living conditions inside the concentration camp. This guard surnamed Lee has withheld his name to avoid reprisals against his family. According to reports, this concentration camp imprisoned approximately 2000 political prisoners. Thousands of people who have been imprisoned here have afterwards died.

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Some high-level political prisons unhappy with Kim Jong-un’s governance of the country have been sent to the concentration camp along with their families. This former guard says these people will be stripped of their possessions and the family members will no longer be able to see each other. The concentration camp occupies 200 square miles.

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Prisoners are forced to work in -25 degree temperature conditions, with starvation being common, and many people worked to death.

Photo is of a North Korean female soldier guarding a prison camp.

Photo is of a North Korean female soldier guarding a prison camp.

Image is of a drawing of prisoners inside the concentration camps. Guards will brag between themselves about the ways they execute prisoners.

Image is of a drawing of prisoners inside the concentration camps. Guards will brag between themselves about the ways they execute prisoners.

<span title="图为惩罚犯人的一些方法。">Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.</span>

Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.

Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.

Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.

Image is of prisoners relying on grass, mice, snakes, and even ants to allay their hunger.

Image is of prisoners relying on grass, mice, snakes, and even ants to allay their hunger.

Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.

Image is of several ways prisoners are punished.

Photo is of North Korean soldiers.

Photo is of North Korean soldiers.

A North Korean soldier at Sinuiju on the Yalu River bank.

A North Korean soldier at Sinuiju on the Yalu River bank.

Photo is of a North Korean concentration camp.

Photo is of a North Korean concentration camp.

Photo is of a North Korean concentration camp.

Photo is of a North Korean concentration camp.

Comments from NetEase:

夏小阿碗 [网易江苏省镇江市网友]:

Strongly recommend watching a movie called Crossing, which has scenes of [what it is like in a] concentration camp.

网易辽宁省大连市网友 ip:182.201.*.*:

For a country like this that is this lousy, the end will be the same.

X以下犯上X [网易广东省网友]:

North Korea today is a very good history lesson for Chinese people.

大新帝国 [网易湖南省长沙市网友]:

Those who can come out alive must be unrivaled martial arts masters.

网易山东省德州市网友 ip:119.189.*.*:

Guantanamo is even more advanced than North Korean concentration camps.

网易安徽省宿州市泗县网友 [请叫我党员]:

North Korea doing this is reasonable, as well as necessary. Those political prisoners who attempt to topple socialist regimes and agitate for Western notions of freedom should be vigilantly punished, killed as a warning to others.

加107723974 [网易四川省成都市网友]: (responding to above)

Those who want to fuck the mother of the person above, ding this comment.

普世价值1 [网易河南省信阳市网友]:

Dictatorships always collapse suddenly, democracies are not established in a day, the people will not let you wait long, history will not let you be disappointed.

关注他的微博 不拿群众一针一线的老红军 [网易浙江省金华市网友]:

North Korea is not a country with prisons, but a prison with a country. The establishment of the so-called state machine is only to perpetuate and more effectively manage this super prison. Remove the “People’s Republic” painted skin and this “North Korean Democratic Concentration Camp” is the most authoritative interpretation of democratic centralism of our age, it also representing a festering sore of modern civilization.

网易河北省唐山市网友 ip:110.250.*.*:

Seeing North Korea like this, I once again thank American Empire [Imperialist America, American imperialism].

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  • comradewang

    “North Korea doing this is reasonable, as well as necessary. Those political prisoners who attempt to topple socialist regimes and agitate for Western notions of freedom should be vigilantly punished, killed as a warning to others.”

    Whoever posted that must be a DPRK spy, or just have an extremely low IQ, or both.

    • Mighty曹

      At the beginning I thought he was being sarcastic. lol

    • linette lee

      The North Korean gov’t and officers are all crazy. They are just pure evil. There is a place for them after they die. It’s called eternal hell. There is a VIP seat waiting for fat Kim.

      • YourSupremeCommander

        WRONG. Only the top head cheese fatty is the problem here.
        The other officials and people under him either know what they are doing is wrong, but they have no choice but to play along for the fear of losing their own lives or that they were so brainwahed since birth that they know the only good thing to do is doing what they are told.

        If you were told to torture 1000 people and by refusing to do so you and your own family dies… What would you do? EXACTLY.

        • chucky3176

          I have to agree with him on this. Most North Koreans are victims of the party apparatus. They are required to spy on each other. Anyone who spies on somebody, is also being watched by another spy, who is also spied on by someone else, and so on down the line. So there is no way for North Koreans to organize an anti state movement. The web of spying on each other makes sure that nobody trusts anybody. I’ve seen some Chinese who say North Korea is similar to what China was during the Cultural Revolution. I say that’s totally untrue. The case of North Korea is unique in the world, unmatched and unparalled by anything the world has ever seen.

          They have murdered millions of people through starvation, have half a million people in concentration camps, and they have kidnapped 180,000 people from 12 countries since the 1950’s, most of them South Koreans, but also including Japanese, Romanians, Thai, Malaysians, and even Arabs.

          • Zappa Frank

            why unseen before? according to your description sounds like CCCP during the Stalin’s terror..

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            I am not sure, maybe due to the way it has been done and has been carrying on and the level it is at. Cold wars over and yet this nation persists and has managed to stay blocked away from the world. I am only guessing at his reasonings.

          • chucky3176

            Stalins Russia would be absolute paradise for North Koreans. I read, watch, listen to North Korean defectors speaking about their experiences, trust me, the depravity and horror that’s going on over there is simply unmatched. Even Pol Pot’s killing fields in Cambodia came to an end in less than 5 years. While North korea’s system of cult has been mutating for seven decades. Even German Naziss didn’t starve and mass murder their own citizens (except for dissidents and Jews).

          • Zappa Frank

            could you link me something so that I can get an idea?

          • chucky3176

            Much of the material are in Korean. Someone mentioned the book camp 14. That’s a good start but the main protagonist of the story belonged to the political criminal class which is the lowest class in North Korea therefore may not represent the majority of North Korean experiences. North Korea is not a true communist state. It’s a caste system society in which your life is already defined by which family you were born into. The state also demands total loyalty in action and in thought, while the Kim family are worshipped as living gods.

          • Rick in China

            I had a strange friend in my earlier years who, when I asked, “why would you possibly let these cracked out meth heads stay in your house” – he said, “well, never let just 1, but if there is a bunch of them, they are all so paranoid of each other there’s no chance any of them will try to steal or get away with shit, so it’s perfectly fine to have a handful and when you’re up or back, your place is often perfectly clean.” – I don’t prescribe to the notion, but, it seems similar….as long as everyone is paranoid and watching each other, you have little to worry about in regards to any of them getting out of line.

        • Rick in China

          “What would you do? EXACTLY”

          Rebel. Gather up everyone else who feels the same and assassinate mother fuckers. That type of tyrannical government has been the catalyst for revolution since the beginning of civilization.

          We’re not all sheep, “ok, I’ll torture 1000 people because I’m scared for my family” – that’s absolutely a poor mentality to encourage or support.

          • Germandude

            Rick, I think it’s fair to say that NK is a place where people don’t dare gathering up because everybody could be a spy. In fact, your brother is brainwashed so much that he might be willing to give your secret away to some officer just for a bowl of rice. The empty stomache hurts more than your well-being.

          • Rick in China

            Of course that is true. However, like I mentioned in another post, every rebellion and revolution in the history of the world started with people gathering and saying ENOUGH. Aside from external intervention, that’s pretty much the only realistic way out.

          • Rick in China

            You’re right. However, this is a hypothetical question, and there are really 3 options in this situation of what would you do/or/what should they do.

            1) Give up. Life is going to be literally hell until you die.
            2) Join them, or at least as much as you can ‘join them’, torturing your fellow man at maniacal whim, become less than human and give up any sense of morality or ‘right’.
            3) Fight. Likely be tortured, likely anyone you’ve loved end up with the same fate, but with the hope that *maybe* there will be *some* sort of hope for the future – for you, maybe not, for your children, maybe, if enough people follow this route, definitely hope for the future of your people…however distant it may be.

            I suggest 3, and get slander – well, we’re not all 1’s and 2’s.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            Haha typical internet tough guy and armchair warrior we have here folks. If you are in those shoes, with your own life and your wife and kids lives on the line, you will shut up and do as Kim tells you to do.

          • Rick in China

            Projecting your weakness on others does not make them weak.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            In fact, merely trying to communicate these rebellious thoughts of yours to your closest family members, you risk a very high chance of getting thrown into the dungeon. Because to a hungry person, a piece of bread and a piece of chicken sure beats a traitor family member.

          • I suspect Kim is not really the one in power. Once you get three generations down the line of a monarchy (or a dictatorship), the kings are frequently just figureheads being told how to operate if they wish to keep their life of luxury granted by the people who actually run the state.

          • Torgrim

            Gosh Rick, that’s an awfully violent proposition.

          • mr.wiener

            One thing is certain however. The day the shit goes down in N.Korea it is going to get medieval real fast.

          • David

            No shit!

          • Paul Schoe

            None of us know what we would actually do in such a situation. It is easy to judge others while we are standing at the side-line.

            However, it starts with persons that are even willing to consider rebelling, so your opinion is a first step in an extreme difficult process.

      • yeah like us and our leaders are any different, debt slaves and cultist gangsters.

        just obey

    • lacompacida

      He is just a Chinese with normal Chinese brainwashedness.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      or doesn’t give a crap and is just being paid 5 mao for that comment

  • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

    It’s always the same. The more ‘good’ words in your country description, the less so does your country actually follow such ‘good’ ideals.

    Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea: 3 right there, clear sign they’re up to no good.

    People’s Republic of China: Only 1. Not too bad, but that’s still a sign to watch out..

    • Mighty曹

      You are on to something here. But I counted 2 in ‘People’s Republic’.

      • A Gawd Dang Mongolian

        A relic from Mao’s regime.

    • comradewang

      It’s ironic that the word “Democratic” is even in the country’s name.

      • Dr Sun

        its ironic it is not in the american declaration of independence either

    • lacompacida

      PRC is run by the Party, not the people. Leaders are not elected by the people, therefore not a republic. There are many non-Chinese in the country, therefore not Chinese.

      • Probotector

        A republic is a country that doesn’t have a dynastic monarchy. The fact the leaders aren’t elected doesn’t mean it’s not a republic. Most republics throughout history haven’t had leaders elected by the people.

        • wes707

          “A republic is a form of government in which power is held by the people and representatives they elect, and affairs of state are a “public matter” (from Latin: res publica), rather than privately accommodated (such as through inheritance or divine mandate).”

          • Eidolon

            China is not a modern republic. However, oligarchies, which is effectively the club to which China belongs, have also been called republics in the past. Classic examples are the Roman Republic and the Republic of Venice. These states hold elections, but these elections are highly restricted, which is also how elections work in China via the National People’s Congress. In an oligarchic system, elections are independent of the average citizen/subject, but applies only to a select group of elites, whose status in society come from their familial connections and a limited degree of upward mobility via merit. The Machiavellian politics of these classical republics aren’t a bad analogy to China’s present day system.

            Of course, there’s no way in hell China is a People’s Republic. But the idea that there are many non-Chinese in China and therefore China isn’t Chinese is inane. By that token, America also isn’t American.

          • donscarletti

            Directly quoted from Wikipedia, which bares about as much academic credibility as the posts on this forum. Wikipedia cites Merriam-Webster for that quoted paragraph, but Merriam-Webster itself says differently:
            “A country that is governed by elected representatives and by an elected
            leader (such as a president) rather than by a king or queen”
            I.e. no mention of the people and who elects the leaders and how long they are elected for.

            China’s leaders are indeed elected by the National People’s Congress. Whatever the processes through which they are elected, whether or not there are other candidates, and whether or not your average westerner would call it a “real” election, they certainly are elected.

    • ex-expat

      Two words: People’s Republic

    • Dannisi

      Democratic Republic of the Congo

  • Mighty曹

    North Korea: Dynastic Regime + Paranoia + Evil = Hell on Earth

  • Stefan Xu

    That’s why you should behave, then you won’t even be thrown in prison in the first place.

    • hess

      What the actual fuck?

      • Germandude

        Hm, looks like the Swedish education system has failed on that one, despite its good reputation. Exceptions confirm the general rule I assume.

        • hess

          looking at his other posts I’d say that his brain has failed him.

    • mr.wiener

      Stefan……read a little more and post less.

    • Guang Xiang

      surely that was sarcasm

    • Paul Schoe

      This is one of the posts, that made it so valuable to see the number of down-votes.

  • vonskippy

    Nothing a few cruise missiles wouldn’t fix.

  • masonman

    If you’re ever looking to read more on the subject, I HIGHLY recommend Escape from Camp 14. Pretty much convinced me that life in those prison camps is one of the worst forms of human existence on Earth

    • Germandude

      Agreed. Very good read. And another proof that you don’t need fictional stories to shock you. This one is freaking confusing.

  • mr.wiener

    That is one unhappy looking female guard.

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Jesus…she looks like she would stab you with that bayonet without a second thought.
      Then again maybe she just looks ugly so that’s why i made that assumption.

      • chucky3176

        She may look fat and porky. But it’s severe malnutrition and hardship. To relieve the pains of hunger North Korean soldiers eat horrendous amounts of salt which bloats their organs and their bodies making them look plump. She’s also a victim of North Korea who was brain washed with North Korean god worship of Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, since birth. I just feel sorry for these soldiers.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          yeah it’s a shit life indeed. Is that true what you said about them looking like that because of the salt or did you just make that up though? :p

          • chucky3176

            Unfortunately it’s true. Everything what I’ve told we’re straight from North Korean defectors whom many of them served in the military. I also used to volunteer teaching English to these people and some of the stories they tell are just heart breaking. One problem women soldiers encounter are chapped hands during winter times in cold dry North Korean winters. The pain of chapped and bleeding hands are so intense the women use their own urine as hand lotions after word got out that urine helps. These are real people who are suffering, we shouldn’t mock them or hate them.

  • ScottLoar

    Yours is an excellent example of Godwin’s Law:

    “As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

  • Cameron

    I am pretty tolerant in terms of buying into cultural relativism in most cases and not enforcing western ideals thought the barrel of a gun. However everything I have seen and heard about this place screams that it is an inhuman hellhole in which the inhabitants are imprisoned in a world of poverty and ignorance by a tiny brutal elite. Unlike other dictatorships, the place seems to have very few redeeming factors. The risks are huge, but if China had the balls to do something about undoubtedly the worst nation on Earth it would be truly wonderful PR for them.

    • chucky3176

      North Koreans absolutely hates and distrusts the Chinese, according to some high ranking former North Korean defectors. The late Kim Jong il hated the Chinese so much that he would scream those damn “chinks are trying to screw us again”. His son Kim Jong Un hated the Chinese so much he purged his own uncle in law Jang Sok-Taek who was very much pro china who wanted Chinese liberalization. Jang was also responsible for North Korea’s trade with China. But Kim hated his uncle’s close relations with China. One of charges against Jang was that he sold north korea’s resources to China too cheaply. Jang was executed in front of the machine gun (anti aircraft guns) squad and his body was disintegrated. North Korean state tv said they never buried the man because he wasn’t even worthy to be buried. Then 8 generations of Jang’s family and relatives were either executed in mass or sent to death camps. People who didn’t even know they were related were rounded up during the night. Then there are friends and supporters of Jang. About 35000 people were recently rounded up and the rein of terror is still going on now.

      So why does China support North Korea despite the mutual hatred? China can easilyNorth Koreans absolutely hates and distrusts the Chinese, according to some high ranking former North Korean defectors. The late Kim Jong il hated the Chinese so much that he would scream those damn “chinks are trying to screw us again”. His son Kim Jong Un hated the Chinese so much he purged his own uncle in law Jang Sok-Taek who was very much pro china who wanted Chinese liberalization. Jang was also responsible for North Korea’s trade with China. But Kim hated his uncle’s close relations with China. One of charges against Jang was that he sold north korea’s resources to China too cheaply. Jang was executed in front of the machine gun (anti aircraft guns) squad and his body was disintegrated. North Korean state tv said they never buried the man because he wasn’t even worthy to be buried. Then 8 generations of Jang’s family and relatives were either executed in mass or sent to death camps. People who didn’t even know they were related were rounded up during the night. Then there are friends and supporters of Jang. About 35000 people were recently rounded up and the rein of terror is still going on now.

      So why does China support North Korea despite the mutual hatred? China can easily collapse NK by cutting off fuel and food because China is the only country that North Korea can get food and fuel. If China wanted to, they can collapse North Korea in few months.

      • linette lee

        You are not realistic. No food Fat kim and his men will just eating their citizens. Fat Kim and his party have enough North Koreans as food to last for his life time. Half of the population will be used as food. Don’t you hear story about they eat people,

      • Dannisi

        But it’s a nice buffer between China and the ‘capitalists’ in South Korea.

        • linette lee

          It’s USA army base stationed in South Korea they are worry about. Remember during North Korea war China didn’t want to get involved until USA troops got really close to China’s border. Maybe China, North Korea, and South Korea can come up with some kind of agreement. China and South Korea can help North Korea to develop and improve its economy so they won’t be hungry. Offer Fat Kim agreement that he will be safe and under protection. He can still live in his palace enjoy a good life. But he should give up his military power or at least agree not to be aggressive. Get South and North Korea to unite. Open the border. Request USA troops to leave South Korea. It’s good for the USA troops too. They can go home to their families.

          But this is a dream that doesn’t seem like it will happen anytime soon.

    • Eidolon

      Naive.

      There is no effective way for China to come out of a confrontation with NK smelling roses, because they were the ones who had been supporting NK for the past few decades. Political moves are never regarded as charity. A maneuver by the Chinese to cut off aid/trade with NK is only going to be seen as a self-interested move to distance oneself from an increasingly irritating burden. It won’t do much for China’s PR.

      At the same time, it is a net geopolitical loss for China to simply abandon NK. For one, such a move is just about guaranteed to result in short-term suffering for North Koreans, which are then going to be directed at the Chinese for abandoning them. For two, while it is not obvious what the NK government is going to do in this case, the shot of them turning to the US/Russia for a deal is quite high. China has nothing at all to gain from the NKs making a deal with the US/Russia, and no guarantee that the US/Russia won’t use the opportunity to one-up China. Both governments have been known to compromise morality for geopolitics in the past – eg the US’s support for the Saudis.

      Even in the absence of a deal, a collapse in the NK regime serves no benefit to China except to move the border of the Greater NATO Alliance to the Yalu while having to deal with a flood of NK refugees. The idea that the US is simply going to leave Korea after NK collapses is absurd. US presence in Northeast Asia isn’t, ultimately, about NK, but regional control and counterweighting China and Russia. Sharing a land border with an US allied state is logically going to damage China’s geo-security.

      Economically, the US and South Korea are much better positioned to develop NK, and there’s no agreement in place that they’re going to respect China’s existing interests and economic deals in NK. There is, indeed, no guarantee that the US and South Korea won’t just shut China out in NK.

      All in all, China stands to gain little from turning on NK because they are not positioned to decide NK’s destiny in the event of a regime collapse. The only scenario in which China is capable of deciding the destiny of NK is one in which they invade and take over the country on their terms, after which they hold the cards for what happens to NK. But in that case, they’re going to have to sacrifice a lot of Chinese lives and take the brunt of a NK missile strike. The cost benefit analysis therefore does not favor a Chinese military intervention, and at the same time, it does not favor a Chinese abandonment of NK. That’s why the status quo has been held for the last thirty years.

      • miomeinmio

        I’d agree with that.

  • Weidi

    He/she didn’t say it was on state TV or in the Chinese cinemas. Chinese have access to VPN software as well, you know, and also use it to not just read Chinese propaganda news. They do not live behind the moon ;)

    • chucky3176

      Yes I see. That movie is not very flattering to China. It’s about a North Korean defector father trying to get his son out of North Korea, through China, onto Mongolia (Mongolia is one of few countries in Asia which doesn’t send back NK defectors) then to South Korea. The boy ends up dying in the Mongolian desert, lost.

      • Germandude

        Considering China’s stance on sending NK citizens back to Kim once caught in China, I doubt that Chinese State TV shows this on one of their channels. I assume @weidi:disqus is right with his assumption of VPN software or someone buying some not so original DVD.

        • chucky3176

          I would say the VPN and also Chinese video sharing sites like Youku, Todou, and Sohu where I have found even South Korean TV show that deals with North Korean defector women sharing their stories and describing how North Korea lives. They are uploaded as soon as the shows are broadcasted in South Korea. I’m sure Chinese government would not like these kind of shows to be distributed.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    But would tou really like to bonk his mum? Considering she spouted out some rubbish like that. And for all we know, his mum could be 84 years old.

    • donscarletti

      If you want physical pleasure with your vengence, you’d be better off boneing the wives and daughters of your enemies.

      If you want vengence with your vengence and nothing else though, seducing then banging the shit out of the mother is the best way to get it.

      • markus peg

        I hope a dumb ass like that does not have kids.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    You’re kidding right? Chinese people have access to almost all the movies we can watch through the internet. If they really want to see it, they can. The real problem is the accessibility of these movies and the interest that Chinese people have for them. A lot of the Chinese people that i have met are too focused on their crappy TV shows to even be curious in anything else

    • Torgrim

      You’re right about that. It’s not that Chinese people don’t have access, it’s that they just don’t care. VPN usage is very low (per capita) in China as compared to India, Russia, other countries. It doesn’t seem to cross the average Chinese’s person’s mind that “foreigner” information might be worth reading (also possibly English language limitations).

      Also, I’ve shared Animal Farm, etc. books with some of my Chinese friends. They couldn’t care, more interested in games on their phones.

      But then, I cannot find “A Touch of Sin” anywhere. Might be too early for that, though.

      • Stefan Xu

        Chinese has have said to me that the reason they don’t care about politics and corruption is that it doesn’t directly affect them. They rather spend the time having fun.

        • Mihel

          You mean politics doesn’t affect them because they cannot affect politics? Like voting, human rights etc.

          Also WTF are you talking about corruption not affecting chinese people? Pretty sure it’s affecting them positively, since they’re making millions selling fake products.

          • Stefan Xu

            A party chief in my girlfriend’s hometown stole 200 million RMB from corruption and fled to the USA. When I asked her what she thought she said she doesn’t care and it doesn’t affect her life.

          • masonman

            They don’t have the illusion of control. In countries with voting, we are given the illusion of control. In China, they just get a leader, in most Western countries, people get to “choose” between several “approved” leaders, all of whom are always very similar in the way they think and act.

          • Mihel

            In countries with voting, we are given the illusion of control.

            Forgive me if I assume, perhaps wrongly, that you are not accustomed to talk about “illusion of control” and chosing “approved leaders” with people of countries with voting* above the age of eleven.

            * Countries with voting are not entirely composed of western countries.

          • masonman

            “Forgive me if I assume, perhaps wrongly, that you are not accustomed to
            talk about “illusion of control” and chosing “approved leaders” with
            people of countries with voting* above the age of eleven.”

            Are you going to make an argument or just insult me?

            Adults make cogent arguments, eleven year olds call each other names.

        • masonman

          “they don’t care about politics and corruption is that it doesn’t directly affect them”

          And that is wonderful. Americans are all politics, and they are all digging their own graves and loving it.

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    I recommend a change from disqus as we can no longer downvote something (or we can but it isn’t shown which is as good as no longer being able to downbote).

    Is there an alternative to disqus?

    • Paul Schoe

      A better option might be to apply to Disqus to reinstate showing the number of votes. More people are doing that, even web-site masters that host Disqus. The more of us do that, the more chance that this valuable tool (showing the number of down votes) comes back.

      Kai: maybe another argument for Disqus. You can now tell them that there members of your community, asking you now to change to another forum. They might listen to that.

  • FYIADragoon

    You had one job, America….But at least you were able to obey your masters in Tel Aviv….

    • mr.wiener

      For real?

  • diverdude7

    Bet you woulda sang a different song living under Saddam… :-)

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      Would depend which tribe he was affiliated with. The town/village that Saddam came from and his tribe members did enjoy certain privileges when Saddam was in charge. Now that he is gone, they are one of the groups that have been treated worse than others. The Arabs don’t just split between religious lines but also tribal and with the Kurds, ethnic.

  • commander

    Over a period of three generations, those in power in North Korea find themselves believe what are injustices as a new normal to retain power.

    So do the prison guards.

    North Korean soldiers who stand guard around what is the most horrendously systematic gulags appear to get dehumanized and take pervert pleasure in torturing detainees and do unimaginable form of harm to them.

    An idea is floating that the International Criminal Court should seek an arrest of North Korean leadership and some high ranking officials on charge of crimes against humanity.

    Although the idea sounds good, its feasiblity is slim as China would be predictably against the ICC indictment and the United States would not pursue it as the main agenda such a move can derail the denuclearization effort and could make North Korea’s perilous nuclear brinkmanship go wild, and more importantly, make frayed Sino-US ties, whch are crucial for Washington to run the world.

    This means the international community only express sympahties with moaing North Korean detainees, especially if China continues to put its geopolitical interests before human rights.

    The international community remains inactive after watching this harrowing detention, making all countries who have leverage in putting an end to this humanitarian crisis all complicit in crimes against humanity, knowingly or unwittingly.

  • David

    Go back under your bridge troll.

  • Foreign Devil

    China is the Stallin to North Korea’s Hitler. If China did not stand in the way, there certainly would be military action by now to liberate the oppressed and tortured in North Korea.

  • Paul Schoe

    Aye, oops, now you make me sleep bad. Have to put an “above 18” quote above your post.

    But thanks for the update. No thing so bad, or another human has found something worse to do to others.

  • linette lee

    Look what they do in those torture camp. They are capable of anything. You think they won’t do a human farm and raise them as food? They will do anything.

  • The FRED FONG

    I feel sad now….I prefer Dongguan sex stories…and drunken English teacher stories better

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    Personally, something like this came as a shock to me, because i was downvoting some comments and nothing came up. Then I read somewhere they have changed it so it isn’t shown. Which is as good as not having it in the first place. It would have been better off if they had shown neither or removed the voting system than keep what they have now.

  • Sam Peng Bam

    He is not as dumb as he seems.
    None spot the sarcasm?

  • miomeinmio

    That’s… I mean, don’t get me wrong, that sounds REALLY really nice. But the fact of the matter is that it’s never going to happen. The powers that be don’t want it to happen because it doesn’t serve their interests. Korea will never develop on China’s terms, because honestly Seoul doesn’t really like Beijing, and Washington isn’t going to let it happen because they don’t want to leave the peninsula. There’s too many dicks in the game, somebody’s got to take the blow before it happens.

    • ex-expat

      You don’t think the US wants a united Korea? They would have an ally that is 50% bigger and would effectively be surrounding China to an even greater degree.

      Also, besides China and North Korea, how are there any other “dicks in the game?”

      • miomeinmio

        I think the US wants a united Korea under a very distinct set of circumstances, which absolutely requires reunification under the South Korean state and effective neutering of Chinese interests in the North, and that the new Korea say: “No, please, yes darling. Do stay and keep your massive base in the middle of Seoul. Actually, why don’t your move it to Pyongyang? Or why not up to the river, you go right on ahead.”

        It’s not going to happen. A united Korea will likely be amicable to the US, but if protests that have already taken place in Seoul are any indication, the South Koreans aren’t uniformly happy about having a massive foreign military base and a bunch of marines running around even if they are technically still at war.

        • ex-expat

          Sure, every country wants what is in their best interest. But that doesn’t mean that the US would prevent unification of Korea.

          The protests in Seoul aren’t an indication of anything. In this world, there is not a single thing that people are uniformly happy about. If anything, I think the fact that the base is still there is an indication that it is supported by the majority. The people technically have the power to force the US to leave.

          • miomeinmio

            No, I highly doubt there will be some crazy cloak and dagger shit going down, true. But actively supporting reunification is a horse of a different color.

            Also, I feel like maybe you’re underestimating how insecure the South Koreans are about the northern border issue. If there’s no parallel, are they going to feel as insecure? Maybe, maybe not. Insecurity is why the US remains, remove that and where’s the excuse?

          • ex-expat

            My mistake, I misinterpreted what you said about the bases in Seoul to mean now as opposed to if and when North and South were somehow reunited. Honestly, in the event of reunification, I wouldn’t be surprised if either the US military remained or was asked to leave.

            I don’t think actively calling for unification would do any good. And I doubt that the US thinks that the benefits of having military bases outweighs having such a volatile actor in the region. I think they see North Korea as a significant and genuine threat (as they should), and would be happy to have them gone. Though just my opinion, obviously.

  • miomeinmio

    I tutor a kid and asked him if he wanted a break now or ten minutes from now. He couldn’t answer me.

    Just fucking blows my mind.

  • ScottLoar

    Neither in means or philosophy is National Socialism a meaningful comparison with communism.

    Take Godwin’s Law to heart and stop relying on tired tropes as an excuse for explanation. If you don’t have an original thought or can’t provide a relevant reference then don’t comment.

  • ScottLoar

    Read more, dogs ripping children to pieces:

    http://malaysiandigest.com/world/490265-dogs-ripped-kids-to-pieces-in-n-korean-camp-ex-guard.html

    The consequences of such brutality will continue generations and generations after the fall of the regime.

  • linette lee

    What do you think USA has been doing? I don’t think China wants USA any closer right at it’s border.

    http://antiwar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/empire-in-asia-e1377199333368.png

    • Zappa Frank

      USA are simply doing what is convenient for them as well as others countries that oppose china’s expansion (japan, south korea, Vietnam, Philippines and so on..)

  • Dr Sun

    ok, who was the CIA junior trainee that posted this ?
    pics are from years ago, scraped up from different articles, from different sites.

    Disclaimer- not defending DPK, horrible place, but dudes post real stuff, not manufactured propaganda, your better than that

  • ScottLoar

    You don’t understand the word “trope”. Godwin’s Law is not a trope, it is not an example of a trope. Look up the word “trope” and usage in a dictionary then get back to me.

    • I would like to note that Godwin’s Law has been on the TV Tropes website for quite a while now, which is a site that has long since been recognized as a comprehensive encyclopedia of tropes across a large number of media, including the net.

      • ScottLoar

        Godwin’s Law is an assertion, not yet a theory, unlike a trope which is (OED definition) “A figurative or metaphorical use of a word or expression”. Constantly making comparisons to Hitler and Nazis is specific to Godwin’s Law and there’s a lot of that on ChinaSmack as in the post I commented; likening authoritarian governance to fascism is a trope. There is a difference, and using a trope as an excuse for thought or explanation shows the user to be short on explanation and intellect but long on cliches and tropes.

        I think I got all that right. In other words, I tire of repetition of public hearsay and cliches; what’s needed is explanation, not more and more “just like Hitler” crap.

  • ScottLoar

    Godwin’s Law; I don’t know of Goodwins Law (sic).

    Premise, not premis (sic).

    Use standard punctuation like the period, this will help make your meaning understandable.

    North Koreans (not Korians) have no choice in their government, surely do not understand Fascism (yes, that’s the spelling) just as you don’t understand Fascism, and so your question to them is irrelevant.

    You’re trying hard to presume some kind of higher intellection (e.g. “politics are not linear”) but instead can’t stumble through the language or thought.

    • mr.wiener

      Think “horseshoe shaped”.

      • ScottLoar

        Rather than trying to define the geometry of politics (politics has a geometry?) you’d do better by defining “trope” for these two.

        Thanks.

        • mr.wiener

          No worries mate.
          “Trope”: A tropical fruit that can only be eaten on days of the lunar month starting with the letter P.
          Consumption at any other time is rumored to lead to gender realignment in men and an interest in televised sports [notably ice hockey] in women.

          • ScottLoar

            Being a moderator gives you room to comment, intervene, and occasionally “moderate” but does not excuse your often silly and officious comments. Two nonsensical comments to me – for what? To score yucks from your buddies?

            Define “Mr. Wiener”: pronoun appearing on ChinaSmack, having no sense and no humour but pretending subtlety. Often synonymous with “half-ass” (i.e. inferior to both “smart-ass” and “dumb-ass”).

          • mr.wiener

            Scott.
            To Quote God and Popeye I ‘yam what I yam. Since not many people will be watching this thead I’m not doing it to score yucks of my buddies. Rather I try to use humor as a balm to sooth an argument that has gone on for far too long. I play the fool, you play the prickly cuss, which of us is the more half arsed?
            It matters little , for as a very politically incorrect friend of mine once commented “winning an argument on the internet is like winning a gold medal in the special Olympics….it means nothing and at the end of the day you are still retarded [ouch!]”
            You take things to seriously my friend, and as some one who would like to consider himself one of your friends I think you should lighten up a bit :)

          • ScottLoar

            You may be right. But it’s not about winning an argument, it never is. Also, I don’t expect others to share my enthusiasms.

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  • Accusation of admiration for Hitler or the Nazis is not the same as comparison to Hitler or the Nazis, so on a technicality, Godwin’s Law does not apply.

  • Vernon Alarcon

    dennis rodman say North Korea be a real party zone…..an’ jong-un be a real playah

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