Chai Jing’s “Under the Dome” Documentary, Chinese Reactions


The below microblog post is currently the most popular of the week on Chinese microblogging platform Sina Weibo. It currently has over 600k reshares, 100k comments, and 240k upvotes.

The microblog post concerns well-known Chinese CCTV state-broadcaster reporter and host Chai Jing‘s recent documentary Under the Dome about China’s pollution problem. It was posted under her verified account, which is managed by her editor…

From Sina Weibo:

@柴静看见: #Chai Jing Smog Investigation# After a year of silence, Chai Jing has returned, releasing a work of public welfare Under the Dome, searching for the sources of smog at various sites of pollution, traveling to multiple countries to film pollution management experience. For what we all breath, the fate we all share, we must do something for our air. Simultaneously released by @人民网 [The People’s Daily] and @优酷 [Youku].

The full documentary hosted on Youku is embedded in the microblog post (see below)…

On YouTube (with English subtitles):

"This is Beijing throughout 2014."

“This is Beijing throughout 2014.”

…but the link to the documentary on The People’s Daily website is no longer working.

Comments from Sina Weibo:


I have a fast food restaurant. After watching this, I silently searched “[equipment for filtering the fumes/smoke produced during cooking over a cooking stove/range]”… Yeah, I plan on contacting the manufacturer to have one installed.


Under such a serious topic, I didn’t expect there to be so many people to shift/divert attention. That China’s air pollution has become like this, for a mother with a child, if I had the means, I too would emigrate abroad! Just as you guys have said, she has already emigrated abroad, so she doesn’t have to do these things, but she still did!


What conflict is there in having American citizenship and doing something [good] for China?


Cui Yongyuan used his own money to investigate genetically modified food after resigning from CCTV, and Chai Jing used her own money to investigate smog after resigning from CCTV. In this helpless and strange country, a bunch of media figures who still have a conscience use their own hard work to tell the people of this country that there are some harms that have without you knowing it already affected you, your family, your relatives and friends! How can you and they preserve your health? @傲然xiao寳儿 @H心静如水H


The people in the comments who did not watch the program and only focused on criticizing Chai Jing, it is people like you who have brought down the character of our countrymen! Ignorant! Vulgar! Arrogant! Narrow-minded! Under the Dome is so that China’s ordinary common people can understand clearly the situation of pollution in the country, to alert the public, to take action for the benefit of future generations, so please calm yourselves and watch the program earnestly!


Everyone watch. Regardless of where you are from, what strata of society you are, this is a fate that we must collectively face…


It’s not that I’m afraid of dying, I just don’t want to live like this.


All the Big Vs [refers to popular, influential figures on Weibo with verified accounts] who participated in the ice bucket challenge, shouldn’t you be resharing this video? Watching this instead of discussing what color that dress is? duang this duang that [refers to a recent viral video remixing Jackie Chan’s endorsement for a discredited shampoo product with an earlier viral song, “My Skateboard Shoes“]!? Tearing up Hong Kong/Macau travel permits!? This is much more important/meaningful! What “color” is our future? This is something none of us can escape! Chai Jing, it is you who is a goddess [beautiful/hot woman]!


Intensely support! Government authorities currently ban firecrackers and smoking meats in the name of [reducing] smog, but may I ask if these are the major causes of smog? Why not spend money and energy on improving the oil refinery facilities of the Big 2 Oil [Sinopec and PetroChina] to process cleaner energy? Why do we allow the environment to be the victim of those coal bosses and arrogant nouveau riche? Why is the environmental protection department always so weak and powerless in the face of those large enterprises that pollute? Why is it that some state-owned enterprises are actually among the major culprits of pollution!?


Shocking, just watching this makes me want to throw up. We don’t need China to be #1 in the world, so can we slow down the pace of economic growth just a bit, even slowed down till we are rank 100 or below would be okay. Can we raise pollution management so that it is higher than military build-up? Can we make it so that environmental researchers are better compensated and treated than government cadres? So that we can truly and properly control pollution, restore the environment? This is not only our future or China’s future, but also humanity’s future.


A beat/rhythm [move] aimed at conquering the Oscar for Best Documentary.


Seeing most of the [early] popular/upvoted comments arguing over Chai Jing’s American nationality and her daughter’s tumor, I suddenly feel like China cannot be saved! After watching this, shouldn’t people be lamenting that the current situation in China deserves being improved!? Shouldn’t it be about thinking of ways to make things as environmentally friendly as possible!? If we don’t save ourselves, who should we rely on to save us!? There is already someone [referring to Chai Jing] warning us, yet are we going to continue being preoccupied with making fun of each other and gossip, without change/improvement!?


From the perspective of the government, the fact that this investigation was done by Chai Jing [a private individual] is the government’s shame. From the perspective of an ordinary common person, how many media figures would so truthfully report like this? Comparing China’s corruption to that of other countries, the total population of the corrupt can match that of an entire country’s population. The government’s policies are not firm, the relevant government departments are derelict in their duties, the oversight insufficient, the characters of our countrymen are not being raised, and life is too far from the blue-sky-white-cloud life the ordinary common people want. To sum up, no zuo no die [suggesting that people are reaping what they sowed].


Her unborn daughter developing a tumor and Chai Jing resigning to take care of her child. When I first heard Chai Jing calmly reveal this information this past Laba Festival, I was really shocked! The baby who had to undergo surgery immediately upon birth has already recovered, but living in Beijing where there are unbelievably 175 days of smog a year and afraid that her daughter would only day ask “what is a blue sky” and “why do you always keep me indoors at home”, she began her investigation. That night, after resigning, Chai Jing spent two hours chatting with the 500-600 people present.


Chai Jing has always been my favorite host/presenter and reporter. After finishing this two-hour long video, I’ve decided the following things: 1- Apart from what is required for work or emergencies, I won’t ride in cars or drive cars. 2- I won’t ride motorcycles. 3- I will ride bicycles instead. 4- I will develop a walking habit.


I saw a comment saying an American should just stay in America and not interfere with China’s internal affairs. I want to say, this is fucking [ridiculous]! That such a comment even has so many upvotes, is truly fucking [ridiculous]! I feel there is no hope left, and no longer know what to say.


So profound! One-by-one taking down coal, petrochemicals, cars, fuel oil, diesel cars, polluting enterprises, Shanxi, Hebei, the Northeast… There has never been such a comprehensive dissection of PM2.5 [causes of pollution, smog]. The conscience of Chinese news [industry, referring to Chai Jing].


Chai Jing’s daughter developed her tumor before she was born, and she resigned to take care of her child, and began [this investigation/project]. This extremely well-done investigation was completed by Chai Jing as a mother, not as Chai Jing the resigned investigative reporter. You should not miss this authoritative, broad, means-rich investigation into smog.


Before an avalanche, not a single snowflake feels they are responsible.


Replying to @摩根自: Chai Jing merely started paying attention to this environmental problem after the incident with her own child, so the child’s tumor may have had nothing to do with the smog, but she merely began earnestly thinking about how she can return blue-skies-white-clouds to her child after this. Instead of feeling grateful that she made such a rousing film about something that intimately affects us all, you clutching to her citizenship and child’s tumor truly is unbelievable/stupefying!

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  • mr.wiener

    I’m feeling all Chinese… the first thought that came to mind was “Ding if you support this!!”

    • Xia

      You have my ding!

    • Xia

      Good that you haven’t translated those comments criticizing Chai Jing’s personality. They are totally shameless. Probably made by people on some SOE’s payroll (and getting more than 5 mao).

    • bujiebuke

      Here’s my Chinese comment:

      All the Dings must feel extra special today, so here’s a Dong for those who are left out.

    • Sophia Dalke

      Yeah, well, I’m calling the sofa, so :P

      • monster

        you are a lady ????

        • Sophia Dalke

          To varying degrees of the definition, yes.

          • NeverMind

            hmmm I demand sandwiches as proof!

          • Sophia Dalke

            If you want me to make you a sandwich you’ll have to put bread on the table. Know what I’m sayin’, dawg?

    • Joey

      Duang ding for miss Chai

    • Mk333


  • Xia

    This video is hot topic among Chinese right now, even those who are studying abroad. When I discussed it with my friend, he remarks that this video can do little, because it mainly addresses the people, which tends to be powerless and inactive, so no real change can be made. I hope for the sake of China’s future that he is wrong.

    • firebert5

      On the other hand, it wasn’t but a couple of years ago that the Party was upset with the US Consulate for posting its ambient air readings in Beijing. Now they are allowing documentaries showing worse. Not sure if it’s a sign of progress or a shrewd method of allowing netizens an outlet to vent.

      • steviewah

        The CCP isn’t afraid of negative criticism and hasn’t been for a while now. They actually harness public criticism to be more politically and socially efficient. Their major concern is and always has been that the data could have resulted in a mass mobilization of protestors that could overthrow the party.

        • firebert5

          The internet is probably the citizenry’s best method of venting and I suspect that keeps more from taking to the streets than there otherwise might be. So, yeah, I agree with that.

        • Poodle Tooth

          If this isn’t a prelude to actually doing something about the problem, that could happen here.

        • Guest

          Of course it is, especially when it comes from an “outsider.”

        • Tyrhonius

          Of course it is, especially when the criticism comes from an “outsider.”

      • vincent_t

        No, the CCP and Chinese people at large preferred not to be criticized by “outsider”. That is why the Party was upset with the US consulate for publishing the AQI. But it is ok if they criticize themselves, as long as they have the blessing from the government and only on particular topics.

        • firebert5

          The Chinese netizens criticized the Party for being upset over the US air emission readings. They were never upset at the US consulate at that. It is true that there is always sensitivity when members of another nation criticize one’s country, even if the citizens of that country largely agree with the criticism (true in any country to differing degrees). But that was not the case in the above example. They sided with the consulate against the Chinese Government’s obvious insincerity. See this link for the most recent example

        • Alex Dương

          I think this is a pretty general human behavior. Here at cS, for example, I’ve fairly often had discussions with non-Chinese people who don’t like it if aspects of their country is criticized by “outsiders.” Just last week, I had a discussion with a Brit who claimed to not care much for British food, but man, was he offended at any suggestion that Britain didn’t have good food.

          • Boris

            Maybe because you can get good food in Britain?

            Or are you talking about good/delicious British food?

            If the latter, then it really is down to personal choice. I don’t enjoy Korean food much and Chinese food has some good and some not so good food. Prefer Indian and Mediterranean food over the others personally.

          • Alex Dương

            Maybe because you can get good food in Britain?

            Or are you talking about good/delicious British food?

            To put this in context, this was from the “handsome U.K. guys” article. One of the Chinese netizen comments dissed British food. In comes a Brit, “Dan,” who starts talking about how you can get good food in Britain and good food in Britain should be the topic of discussion, not just British food, because of how “globalized” our world is today.

            I pointed out that 3 of the 4 Michelin three-starred restaurants in the U.K. serve French food. You’d think that this wouldn’t piss him off since he’s talking about “globalization” and claims to not even like British food. Nope. Now he insists that British food is the shit because Heston Blumenthal has a three-Michelin-starred restaurant that serves it.

            Honestly, I know what happened: he just didn’t like non-British people criticizing aspects of the U.K. You see the same thing in China, the U.S., all over the world, really. This is just another case of “I can criticize my child but you shut the fuck up about my kid.”

          • Vance

            You know, if Americans got offended every time somebody in the world criticized something about America, we’d all go crazy. I cannot open the internet without seeing something critical or derogatory about this country, often from certain groups of our own people. Great Britain gets alot of criticicizm also, so “Dan” should relax or he’ll have to be checked into the local psyche ward soon.

          • guest

            Actually, what I see, is a valid point started by him that just turns into normal fighting on the internet because either one just wants to makes points.

            Its fair to say that British cuisine have dishes that may be bad or not to norms one is used too. But its unfair to say, today, that there’s no good British cuisine, even if it has been influence by other cuisines and cultures, it still doesn’t mean that there is no good British cuisine that has been developed. Similarly, its just as bad to say the same about Chinese cuisine and that its only good because of European/outside influences on it.

          • Alex Dương

            My real issue with “Dan” was that I felt he wasn’t discussing in good faith. He always got mad at the last thing I said and then ignored whatever I said before that. As another example, I gave my opinion that British food only got better after an influx of South Asian immigrants. He called that “facile.”

            I later said that since he wants to argue that British food encompasses all immigrant cuisines in Britain, he shouldn’t be trashing Chinese food since Chinese food is now part of British food. His response? I overemphasized Chinese cuisine’s role in British food and didn’t respect the contribution from South Asia.

            That’s why I said that he was just mad that non-British people were criticizing aspects of the U.K. Again, IMO, this is a very human behavior. You see it from people all over the world. It’s the same thing as “I can criticize my child but don’t you dare talk bad about my kid.”

          • Boris

            Maybe he just wanted to argue (trolling)? I don’t know him.

            British food though, and when I am saying British food I mean the actual ones not the Indian or other countries dishes, is not at bad as its’ reputation.

            I personally think it is more down to ones taste. Saying that, I bet many people either never eaten British food or don’t know what they are eating originates from Britain.

          • don mario

            at the end of the day alex dong, you are arguing over something subjective. it is ridiculous to outright say that british food is bad and then argue your case for it. i prefer other cultures food but then i know most brits enjoy bland british dishes and are perfectly happy eating roast dinners, fry ups, chop and mash and apple crumble everyday so why would you even argue with it? chinese food would look like a bag of ass to them also, as i said, it is subjective.

          • Alex Dương

            Like I said, my main problem with Dan was that he criticized everything I said in isolation. If he thinks my opinion that British food only got better after South Asian immigration was “facile,” then he shouldn’t have later said I ignored the contribution to British cuisine made by South Asian immigrants.

            I think he did this because he simply did not like non-British people criticizing British food.

          • don mario

            regardless of that your argument was not fair so what do you expect

          • Alex Dương

            Why was my argument unfair? If Dan wants to not only say that you can get good food in the U.K. but also play up British food, then he should be willing to explain why 3 out of the 4 3-star Michelin restaurants in the U.K. serve French food.

            I think that’s a perfectly fair request. What is not fair is to find fault with everything I say in isolation. That’s cheap.

          • don mario

            its unfair because you are saying british food is bad. regardless of his reply your initial argument is stupid.

          • Alex Dương

            I never said British food is bad. I said the British don’t have a respected culinary tradition like the French or Chinese, but I never said British food is bad. Seriously, what I said about him being defensive seems to apply to you as well.

          • Kai

            Actually, I don’t think Alex ever said British food is bad. He did, however, reference a popular stereotype about British food (specifically, what is popularly considered British cuisine, not merely “food” that can be found in the UK) to help illustrate a point.

            He wasn’t making the argument that British cuisine was bad, so you can’t say his initial “argument” is stupid or that he was “unfair”. It is instead unfair for you to accuse Alex of such things wtihout being clear on what happened in his disagreement with the other commenter.

            There’s a difference between referencing a stereotype and making that stereotype. There’s a difference between acknowledging the existence of the stereotype that “Chinese people are uncouth peasants” versus making the stereotype as an expression of your own prejudices.

            The whole British food is bad stereotype is indeed popular, not dissimilar to the stereotype that London exists in a constant state of gloom, absent sunshine. I’m fairly confident that these are generally seen as negative but largely harmless stereotypes, even among the British and Londoners, and are such that if any British or Londoner became indignant, just about no one holds them so dearly as to irrationally insist on them. It’s like saying Americans are ignorant about the world or bad at geography, or that American foods are fatty.

          • Originator

            The might be good british food, but certainly there is no cuisine of british origin. I do not doubt thare there might be some world world renowned chefs and restaurateurs in GB, that make amazing food, that by default is british, but speaking of british coucine is a bit too much.

            At best it is steak and shepards pie, at worst it is fish n`chips.

          • Boris

            Cuisine is just a style of preparing and cooking, no? So there is British cuisine, whether that is Shepherds Pie or Fish’n’Chips.

          • don mario

            fish and chips is extremely popular, how could this possibly at worst? everyone likes chips. you are talking nonsense mate.

          • Jahar

            I’m not British, but I’m offended by the ridiculousness of that suggestion.

          • Alex Dương

            I think there’s a disconnect, though: the Chinese netizens were criticizing (or just dissing, really) British food; Dan the Brit replied that they were wrong because Britain had good food, which of course meant he was talking about non-British food offered in the U.K.

          • don mario

            its a ridiculous thing to say and a worn out stereotype. of course the uk has good food, if you were to say most brits do not eat well and a lot of british dishes are bland you might have a point though.

          • Alex Dương

            My issue in that case was that the Chinese netizens in question were stereotyping “British food”; they weren’t saying that you couldn’t get good food in the U.K. “Dan” starts talking about how you can get great food in the U.K., and it doesn’t matter if it’s not “historically indigenous British food.”

            Basically, he was talking about something else, but even then, I still think it was a huge case of “I can criticize aspects of my country; you (a foreigner) can’t.” I told him that I thought British food only improved after an influx of South Asian immigration. He called that “facile.” Then when I told him that since he wants to claim all immigrant cuisines as part of “food in the U.K.,” he shouldn’t trash Chinese food. His reply? I overemphasized the role of Chinese food and didn’t respect the contributions made by South Asians…

      • mike921

        Exactly right, if the US had capitulated to the Party’s DEMAND to stop posting PM2.5 readings, the Party would NEVER make such information public and the locals would all still believe it’s ‘fog’ or ‘haze’.

  • don mario

    interesting times that the pollution elephant in the room is finally being faced somewhat.

    was this on chinese tv? it couldn’t of showed the full extent of the damage if so..

    • Xia

      The video is on Youku. She made the doc after resigning from CCTV. Hard to imagine that Chinese TV would air such “sensitive material”.

      • don mario

        i think there is a way they could do it, just to make it seem that they are facing the issue, even though we all know they didn’t really care about it.

        just a sort of thing to shut people up.. i could see how that could happen. but seems that is even far from happening with this current over sensitive regime.

  • Irvin

    A lot of these problems derives from the lack of transparency which in turn derives from how our governmental system operates fundamentally, which is that of meritocracy.

    Our government operates much like a large public company, to move on the upper management, one must work from the ground up. First over seeing a village, then city, then province and finally country.

    What this promotes is proficiency, to ensure that whoever got the job can actually DO the job. However it made it susceptible to our baser human nature: cheating.

    Government officials get promotion according to their performance on the job, which encourage them to hide dirty laundries, Like what we seen in the article.

    • Xia

      You mean like a large private company. Public companies have to disclose its earnings to the public. But our government only discloses that much information to the Party, which owns the government. For the public it’s all state secrets.

  • Thank you for posting this story in English. Until today, I never knew that this doc existed. I’ve bookmarked both of the links. Without having seen it yet, I think that this documentary is a great development and I intend on passing the links around to others, like me, who didn’t know about it.

    I’m downloading it now from YouTube and look forward to giving it a watch tonight before sack time.


    • Excellent vid so far, however I wouldn’t recommend downloading it – unless you’re Dashan.

      The subtitles on YouTube go up to 36’ish minutes and the CC (Closed
      Captioning) feature is required to enable them. They don’t appear to
      work on the video that I downloaded.

      • strophy

        There was a crowdsourced initiative to translate this video, we finished last night. Youtube CC should now appear through the whole video!

        • Hi @strophy – that’s fantastic – thanks for the heads up! Shall be watching the remainder this evening. :-)

  • ninkoo

    the video and the reactions highlight some of the profound issues in china’s development. most people don’t know the specifics of the pollution but in general most people understand that it’s horrendous and causing health problems. that should be enough to get people moving. recently, people in the south protested against power plants construction and many are building lucrative businesses around solving air pollution. what about the rest of the pollution. why do they still feel powerless? chai jing is a person. we are all people. we all have the ability to use our minds and voices to create change, but people are so repressed into government dependence that they cannot organize and act for themselves as a people. the reactions to the video also highlight unchecked, and unfounded xenophobia that exists in china. many chinese believe that they live in a land so removed to the outside world. they always ask “foreigners” where they are from and refer to them as objects coming from “outside”. the issue of the environment in china, is not solely a chinese issue. it shares borders and open bodies of water with many countries and what it does inside of its political borders has effects on its neighbors. chinese people are some of the most family oriented and community thinking people i’ve met but sometimes meet a major roadblock with dealing with anything outside of their way of thinking, seeing, and being. the chinese that i’ve met abroad, have no plans to go back because they are depressed at the overall mentality of chinese society. the fresh, novel ideas they learn from being elsewhere has no place in china without strong guanxi and some plan to “cheat the system”. the president seems to be trying to crack down on this “cheat to get ahead” mentality but punishing those corrupt officials, but is this really the way to rehabilitation?

    • Xia

      One rumor says that Chai Jing’s videos are also part of a power struggle. Notice how the Ministry of Environment Protection, along with many state-owned newspapers, endorses the video just one day after its release? And that the two state-owned enterprises that Chai is criticizing happen to be the ones that got the most ass kicked during Xi’s anti-corruption campaign? And that the two very important political conferences are happening just a few days after the videos have been posted? Could all that just be coincidences? People around the world, adjust your monthly spendings right now, coz when the Chinese government introduces its new environment taxes on all your made-in-china gadgets and toys, prices will soar! (Conspiracy theory in making)

      • moop

        nothing like this is ever a coincidence. this will be used to garner public support when the govt starts clashing with the state-owned oil companies. they will come out looking like heroes even though they created, and are still, the main reason for these problems. if the current political environment didnt exist, this would have never been aired, or even filmed to begin with.

        • moop

          but at least it is getting people talking, whether or not they actually do something is another matter entirely. could backfire and have the result that “river elegy” did before THE INCIDENT THAT SHALL NOT BE NAMED

          • Xia

            Youku has taken the video down, looks like the reaction may be too much for some people.

          • ninkoo

            …And the YouTube version that was a part of this post seems to have disappeared too…ChinaSmack enjoying a few mao?

          • Matt

            What the hell are you talking about? The youtube version is still up.

      • ClausRasmussen

        >> two very important political conferences are happening

        I’m not into conspiracy theories, but just today I read about those conferences in my local newspaper and noted pollution was on the agenda. Next I headed over to CS and saw this…

        However, I wouldn’t call it signs of a conspiracy. It is more like an ordinary political campaign (with Chinese characteristics) where you drum up support for your agenda before the decision is published

    • Jahar

      Giant wall of text. Paragraphs. Please.

      • NeverMind

        …and enhanced punctuation.

      • ninkoo

        I was writing in a rush. Sorry about that.

  • Free Man

    What surprised me most was how surprised most of my chinese friends were about the content. I thought it was common sense that factories, cars, usage of electricity, and using cheap methods over refined methods produce pollution.

    Was it news that chinese fuel isn’t the best quality? Not really. Why is it new that bad quality fuel leads to a worse pollution? Same for most other topics, there wasn’t really anything new in it for me. I think she was just repeating western knowledge, using chinese language and examples so everyone understood her.

    My wife even highlighted how she did it all for free. Well, now she’s got her name out, lets see how many books she sells the next years.

    • Jahar

      I haven’t seen it, but I was wondering the same. Is it worth a watch or is it all just stuff we from “outside land” consider to be common knowledge?

      • Free Man

        If you have seen stuff about how humanity pollutes earth, what can be done, and what you can do, then you can skip it.

        Though if you want to learn chinese and talk about environment, this video is good training material.

      • don mario

        its ok.. worth a watch if you have the time. some parts are quite detailed and interesting. but nothing really new, and doesn’t go hard. this sort of thing should really go into the nitty gritty.. there are better vids on youtube of chinese pollution but chinese will just write them off.

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    Smog and pollution, like other “western concepts,” are not accepted in China unless translated by a Chinese person.

    • Xia

      And even then it is bashed for being too Western…

    • Jahar

      Beautiful. This comment is beautiful. You are beautiful.

  • crimsonarmor

    Yep, the first thing Chinese do is run, don’t face your problems and try to solve them, just run away.

    • Alex Dương

      That’s a pretty universal, human reaction, no?

      • YourSupremeCommander

        The one who do it the most… usually points it out the loudest.

      • Jahar

        I’m pretty good at it, and I’m a human.

      • Paul Schoe

        I disagree, there is a funny comic about the differences between Germans and Chinese. One of the topics is “what they do when they see a problem”. The Chinese person walks aound the problem and continues his way, leaving the problem for the next person. The German solves the problem and after that, the problem is gone (also for the next person).

        There might be a universal attitude to saty away from problems, but how you react when you run into a problem is very culturally defined.

        • Alex Dương

          I’m aware of the comic you’re referring to, but I disagree. For example, I don’t think “zögern” has a Chinese etymology.

          • Paul Schoe

            But maybe that is because (maybe) throughout history Chinese people didn’t procrastinate before they solved a problem. They always simply went around them. In that case it is a way of dealing with problems that they have perfected over thousands of years.

            I procrastinate whenever i have to solve (or do) something that either I don’t want to do, or for which i do not yet have a solution. But if I would simply go around the problem (which is a way to ignore it), i don’t need a word for procrastination because I am not postponing anyting.

            (I have no idea, I am just giving a possible theory of why the Chinese language apparently has no word for “zögern” )

          • Alex Dương

            No, I was not clear: I don’t believe zögern as a German word was translated into German from Chinese. As far as I know, its origin is indigenous with respect to Germany. The Chinese definitely have a word for procrastination: 拖延.

            I don’t think it is accurate to say the Chinese especially have a culture that expressly avoids solving problems. Liu Bang certainly did not accept death as a foregone conclusion at the Hongmen Feast, for example.

          • Paul Schoe

            We all can come with examples as ‘proof’ of the opposite, my experiences are just as anecdotal.

            But in what iIsee around me, not many problems are getting solved. People live with them, get around them and do not let them interfere with their life, but they do not solve them. So as the comic presented; I do believe that Germans are more apt in taking a problem by its horns, then Chinese are ;-)

          • Mighty曹

            Chinese, in general, are very passive. I think Confucianism has much to do with it as it is culturally ingrained in the minds of Chinese and ethnic Chinese.

            This is does pose the predicament and annoyance of the ‘walking around the problem’ situations. Also, in the States, this passiveness makes Chinese easy prey for muggings as they don’t tend to struggle or report to the police.

          • Paul Schoe

            I am surprised that Alex Duong feels that this is not the case.

          • Alex Dương

            I agree with @MightyChow:disqus on the example of muggings. But I think it is a huge overexaggeration to go from this or other examples and conclude that the Chinese are culturally passive. I note that throughout Chinese imperial history, revolution was prescribed: the Mandate of Heaven bestowed conditional, not absolute, legitimacy on the Emperor. By contrast, in Europe the Divine Right of Kings bestowed absolute legitimacy on the Monarch; revolution was proscribed.

            Of course in practice, might made right. But the point is that at least on paper, Chinese culture discouraged passivity in regard to governance.

          • Mighty曹

            Actually, on top of being culturally passive, the older generation that grew up under strict communism rules were even more indoctrinated with the “walk around the problem” mentality. They live lives without doing things that were not required of them to do and definitely not if there was no reward for it doing extra work. (Capitalism=Overtime=Extra Pay).

          • Alex Dương

            I see your point. I think my feeling is that it is a stretch to say that this is an attribute of Chinese culture especially that has persisted over the millennia. I still think that the biggest counterexample – not just “an” anecdote – is the historical cultural attitude toward the Mandate of Heaven. From the beginning of the Han of the end of the Qing, everybody knew that it was conditional and that revolution was the way to change government.

            It’s possible that this attitude may reflect badly on the current generations of human beings. Apparently, “kick the can down the road” as a U.S. idiom only dates back to the 1980s. I don’t want to overglorify the “good ol’ days,” but at least that particular expression didn’t exist before then, though the attitude certainly may have.

          • Mighty曹

            Most Chinese (including non-mainlanders) were taught to be mindful of one’s action while to also not meddle in the affairs of others. Especially outside of the family. I was taught to never discipline someone else’s kids no matter how much they are misbehaving for it is very insulting to those brats’ parents. Just as it is very insulting to the family if someone says 冇家教 about the kids. I think this adds to the passive mentality.

          • Mighty曹

            Yeah, as Amerian Chinese I thought we’ll have similar views.

    • NeverMind

      Perhaps, a reason for their success at the recent Olympics?

  • 42

    The solution is simple, invent a gravity generator, build a collossal spaceship, find a wormhole, warp to a parallel universe, colonize a habitable planet and we live happily ever after. face it the earth is doomed, forget about it, or have I watch one too many hollywood movies?

    But all jokes aside, this is just collateral damage. manufacturing industry already dying down in China and its shifting towards service industry. after a few years or so the pollution will be gone, the tech industry already producing environmentally friendly solutions, as in electric cars, solar panels, wind turbine energy, and these green developments will become more and more the focus in the future. It is worse now, but it will become better and better. No reason to panic. A problem that is occurring now, will become an opportunity for many in the future.

    • Xia

      There will still be heavy polluting industry existing for all those who cannot afford all the green tech. But I guess it will just relocate to somewhere even less developed and needier of money.

    • moop

      it will be more than a “few years”, probably more than a few decades as the party still tries to balance funding needed to clean up china, keep people with jobs (which will be lost if China starts hitting industries like steel or any of the other subsidized failures in China’s plethora SOEs), become a military power, and take care of the influx of the elderly and cancer-stricken. the pollution problem is more likely to simply move westward in the country rather than being solved in the near term, giving the heavily populated east coast the illusion that the problem is getting better.

  • kenhansen

    Calm the fuck down and drink hot water, the solution for everything

    • Dolph Grunt

      I don’t normally reply to comments that make me laugh, but this one was hilarious. Gonna drink some hot water now. :)

    • Jahar

      Wear more clothes.

  • moop

    anyone else unable to access this page without use of vpn? chinasmack being blocked now?

    • Dolph Grunt

      I had problems when I was in Chongqing. Now, I’m back home, no problems. Some of my friends have noted problems trying to access the page from within China. Depends on location and what service you’re using, I think.

      Either way, it would appear they’re on the scope of the Chinese censors.

      I hadn’t been in China for a while, and I was extremely disappointed at how much worse the internet has gotten over the last few years. I thought, as time goes by, technology gets faster… I guess the laws of physics are different in China :)

      • moop

        its working for me now without vpn. when i did the test at GF it said the website was 80% blocked

        • Dolph Grunt

          Where are you located? As I said, in Chongqing, I had problems. And by problems, I mean it was impossible to connect.

          My real question is, why is it now that China is clamping down at this point? I mean, I know they’ve always censored the net, but it seems they’re going above and beyond these days. What’s changed?

          • Xia

            Maybe someone on the CPC’s payroll got offended by the China bashing comments on Cs …

      • Zappa Frank

        I’m in chongqing, it works from the office but not from home…I have access to the comments on disqus site

    • Jahar

      I’m in Wuhan, I need to use a VPN.

  • ESL Ninja

    Thanks to this video, pollution and the environment will be at the forefront of all Chinese peoples’ thoughts.

    for about 10 minutes.

  • good watch

  • Dolph Grunt

    Gotta question for anyone still reading.

    Why wasn’t this video deleted (and the CBS news story was obviously wrong, it hasn’t been removed)?

    With the skyrocketing censorship lately, why wasn’t this deleted? I have my theories, but I’d love to hear yours.

    • takasar1

      it touches too much of a nerve. it fits in to the official narrative. it stregnthens the ccp’s position (when factories close and rebalancing truly gets underway, they’ll point to pollution when confronted by the masses of unemployed). it is made by a former cctv announcer

      those are my reasons

    • Xia

      It has the endorsement of some strong CCP factions. CCP needs to address the pollution issue sooner or later (and better sooner than later) in order to survive. It has already been planning to put environment protection on its agenda, so what fits better than a video that rallies support for the Environment Protection Ministry? And the ones working for the state-owned enterprises, whose interests will be inevitably trampled on, in case CCP gets serious about pollution, those people will shut up in face of the popular support for environment protection policies that this video is provoking.

      For details, see ClausRasmussen’s comment above.

    • gregblandino

      While I agree with the factors mentioned above, as someone that lives in Beijing, I have to think there’s a simple human factor too it as well. The CCP leaders have to live and be in Beijing for at least a part of the year as well. Even with air purifiers and other technological “get arounds,” being in the Jing in the middle of a week long off the record smog cloud is pretty fucking shitty for all involved. Even the Politburo I’d imagine. Add in the fact that a lot of corporate headquarters and what not are stationed in Beijing.

      That shittiness is especially set off by how pleasant and pretty areas of Beijing can be on a nice fall or spring day. After APEC proved that the pollution COULD be solved using certain measures, I think it created a groundswell of support for making the temporary APEC measures more permanent.

    • Xia

      Looks like the video has been deleted on Youku today. Maybe the opposing factions have made a move.

  • donscarletti

    Although I think this documentary is essentially a good, proper and seemly thing, I do think that the claim that her daughter could have gotten a tumour from pollution before she ever breathed a breath of air is absurd and possibly disingenuous.

  • monster

    im so scared i would die in breath problem too.
    i wear mask when go outside as a freak, still can not help much.
    cough so much, spit often…

    • KamikaziPilot

      Yeah the masks don’t really help, the particles are far too small for the standard surgical mask to stop them from entering your lungs. Looks like you’re screwed.

  • ClausRasmussen

    Reading about Chai Jing on Wikipedia I noticed she was behind the CCTV programme “Insight”. I watched some episodes a few years ago, it was damn good journalism and some of the best documentary TV I’ve seen

  • boonie

    There is no hope. Just few hours earlier there was another huge batch of fireworks in my living community here in Beijing. I had to go out to buy some supplies so I had no choice but to ignore all the fireworks litter left behind on the ground so I won’t get angry again. I want to leave this place already… my last day in China cannot come soon enough. There hasn’t been a single thing I liked in China, about China, since I learned about the real China. I am very thankful everyday for my mother’s hard work to bring me outside this country so I was able to eventually become a citizen elsewhere. Interacting with young adults my age in China makes me shutter in horror thinking what I would be like if I grew up here. All my life growing up in another country, I did my best to defend China and Chinese culture/society to others… Now I can never feel proud of the country I was born in. I don’t think I’ve been “westernized”, but I cannot bring me to feel any love or patriotism for China at all anymore. Just wanted to vent my frustrations.

    • bujiebuke

      “There is no hope.”

      This is the mentality of pretty much any underprivileged group. They look at all the corruption and social issues beset in their society and just plain give up. They accept things as they are instead of trying to make improvements within themselves. It’s a lot like in the U.S., “I’ll only recycle if I see my neighbors recycle”.

      You should not allow others and yourself to pigeonhole you as just “Chinese”. We’re more than a race/ethnic group – we have our own interests, hobbies, love of whatever. If you find yourself constantly defending racial stereotypes from your “friends”, then it’s time to make new friends. Believe me, it’s not worth the time and effort to change their minds.

      • boonie

        Oh no. The attitudes of Chinese are not like US. They simply give up before trying. In the US it’s more like strong headed youthful energy. I’m talking about college students being completely resigned to the state of everything.

        I don’t want to be Chinese. I am not feeling proud to be Chinese. The only thing Chinese about me is my physical body/face. I think you misunderstood my original message. I don’t want to defend China anymore after finding out all the positive things I used to believe in were all a facade and bullcrap. I rather stay with my friends than make friends with these braindead resigned “youth” I’ve met in China.

        I think you understood the opposite of my post… :c

        • Homer

          You clearly experienced a heavy culture shock in China. It’s common among second generation overseas Chinese visiting China, arriving full of wrong expectations and ending up hating the place just like many other foreigners who are unable to adjust to the local environment. People refer to such kids as bananas for a reason: Outside yellow, but inside all white. You’d be better off hanging out with people from the place you grew up in, because you share the same culture and general mentatlity like them.

          • Alex Dương

            I always hated the label “banana.” What does it mean to be “white on the inside”? All whites have the same culture? Same preferences?

          • KamikaziPilot

            I think we both know what it means. Ex. White natives of America are similar like native Chinese are to one another. Granted there are many differences between individuals and subgroups but it’s a broad generalization that most people make. Usually I don’t get offended by the word unless it’s clearly made as an insult, usually by someone with inferiority complex, but usually it’s not an insult and sometimes it’s even made jokingly.

          • Alex Dương

            To be clear, I don’t like that the term is meant to be a synonym with “Americanized.” I know that most people use it that way and not as an insult, but what irks me is that this use implies that white is American.

            It isn’t just about the differences among white subgroups like how I’m pretty sure the white people who watch Seinfeld aren’t the same ones who watch WWE. I think it’s important to remember that throughout U.S. history, who has “counted” as “white” has changed over time.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Yeah I see what you’re saying, I’ve heard the term used by native Chinese even on Asians who grew up in places like California and Hawaii in majority asian communities, definitely not whitewashed. They’d probably used it to describe asians who grew up in predominately black or hispanic communities as well. It is a problem among Asians in Asia (not just China) that automatically think American=white or to a lesser extent black. I try to combat that belief whenever I can.

            Agree who has counted as “white” has changed over time, and even today isn’t necessarily clear all the time (ex. Arabs?)

          • Alex Dương

            Perfect example with Arabs. They are considered “white” in college admissions and thus receive no affirmative action benefits, even though some definitely experience discrimination based on their appearances.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Ahh affirmative action, that’s a whole nother topic that can be debated forever. Add to that Arabs differ in appearance too. Some look almost identical to those of European descent while others not so much. And not even everyone can agree on who is Arab and who isn’t, like Egyptians. In general I hate it when people are ignorant about something, but think they know everything about it.

          • Jahar

            I had an Egyptian classmate in high school and I never even considered him to be a different ethnicity.

          • KamikaziPilot

            A different ethnicity than what? Did you consider him Arab? White? Tell you the truth race hardly mattered to me at that age, I was too concerned with popping my massive pimples.

          • Jahar

            Different from everyone else in the class. White, but we never really thought about race either.

          • Zappa Frank

            I think the issue of the “race” is by far more present in USA than europe. Europeans identify themselves more by culture than by “race”, same for Arabs.

          • Alex Dương

            I dislike racial politics in the U.S. I don’t believe in whitewashing history or pretending that racism has completely vanished, but as much as we can, I feel we should not try to categorize people by race.

          • banana eating gorilla

            Chinese natives use that term for any Asian they think is acting foreign (weird) or westernized.
            White = Western to them.

          • Jahar

            Of course everyone is different, but aside from your face, I’m sure you have more in common with your average Joe than your average Zhou.

          • Alex Dương

            I strongly consider myself Americanized. But I don’t consider myself “white.”

          • Zappa Frank

            Not at all, but usually is refered just to the abc

          • Alex Dương

            The term can refer to any Western-born person of Asian ancestry. In any case, as we agree, whites certainly don’t have the same culture, so I don’t think it’s meaningful to call someone “white on the inside.”

          • boonie

            I was born and raised in China until 4th grade, and came back every summer until I went to college. I used to watch exclusively Chinese shows until mid high school when I started to not watch TV as much in general cause of school. I don’t really connect to “white” really. If you know me, I’m really pretty far off from bananas. I know all about second gen asian culture, thank you. Most of my friends are Chinese/Asian and not bananas. Thank you for making assumptions about me without knowing anything about me. Looks like this site is just a expat only club, as a Chinese girl who has experienced different cultures and reflecting on what she has seen is nitpicked on. All my time lurking here I thought from some of the views in the comments that these were my people who saw the things I also saw, but I guess I was wrong.

          • Alex Dương

            cS is not an “expat only club.” Please feel free to comment and share your experiences as you like.

          • boonie

            If sharing my actual experience like I did with the citizen’s attitudes about fireworks while living under Beijing’s smog dome gets replies like this, I can’t help but feel discouraged. Perhaps I’m too glass-hearted, but I didn’t expect this much passionate negativity…

          • Alex Dương

            We have lively discussions here. But for sure, this is not an “expat only” club.

          • boonie

            Fair enough, if that’s how you feel. Not sure it’s a welcoming enviroment if the first time i make a comment I get called a banana, a troll, and someone else picking out parts of my words and telling me what I should do with my life instead.

          • 42

            If you cannot absorb criticism, you wont have a happy life anywhere, get used to it, suck it up. This is not about you are having a problem because you live in China, this is about you are the problem itself. If you don’t realize this then no other environment will suit you. You are even considering giving up on leaving a comment here, because you feel the environment doesn’t suits you, and tend to think that this is just a news forum. So something tells me China is not problem, your personality trait and attitude needs to get worked on.

          • boonie

            Calling someone a troll and then mocking something they worked on their whole life as a skill and now profession is criticism these days? I guess I had too high of an expectation towards netizens.

          • Homer

            I’ve only made observations based on what you have revealed about yourself here. “The only thing Chinese about me is my physical body/face.” If that’s not the exact definition of “banana”?

          • boonie

            So if I do not identify with Chinese culture, I must for sure identify with the white people? A person cannot be a mix of their life experiences but must fit neatly into a checked box? All my life in the US, all the first generation Chinese I’ve known were always been amazed at how un-westernized I am. Even in my post I said I do not believe I am westernized, but I guess selective reading is your friend.

        • bujiebuke

          ” I did my best to defend China and Chinese culture/society to others… ”

          I was replying to this statement. You took it upon yourself to defend a stereotype based on your own racial profile. In this context, I understood you perfectly well.

          ” I don’t want to defend China anymore after finding out all the positive things I used to believe in were all a facade and bullcrap.”

          That’s your choice, but again, no one’s asking you to “defend China”

          • Dolph Grunt

            I do, however, understand what they’re saying. After spending quite a bit of time in China, when I came home, I realized how ignorant the “non-traveled” people in my country really were in respect to knowledge of China. I’d get questions like “Everyone eats dog there, right?” and people quipping off Cantonese thinking that was the language of the country, and just bizarre comments.

            If my ethnicity was Chinese, I’d probably end up defending or explaining my country of origin if people made off the cuff remarks about China. Especially if it was prior to actually spending any amount of time there.

            Shrug. Just seemed like someone who needed to vent. I met enough of them in China :)

          • bujiebuke

            I don’t have an issue with boonie’s original post at all. He/she can rant or vent like anyone else, but I just wanted to point out that nobody is asking him to defend China. If he’s doing it because others are pigeonholing him for appearing Chinese, then shame on them. As I’ve told him in the previous post, he doesn’t need to label himself that way.

          • boonie

            I was making the point that at once I was proud of the place of my birth, until I found out stereotypes are true and I cant bring myself to feel pride no matter what after living here and learning about the culture, society, people and government. I’m not being asked to defend China, and was merely sharing my thoughts. Didn’t know one had to justify themselves all the time without getting quoted and nitpicked. If this is how it is to share on this site, I’ll remain quiet from now on.

          • Jellyfish Grapefuirt

            Given the tensions found on cS on a regular basis, this seems to be the norm here.

          • boonie

            It seems so. It looks like someone took my comment extra personally and decided to spend their day replying to all my comments with personal insults rather than discussion. I thought that a news site would have better readers than someplace like youtube comment section. If that’s the case then I’ll just leave it to jokes or memes which are pretty well received in comments it seems.

          • Paul Schoe

            I appreciated your comments, and I think many of the readers did and do. However, ChinaSmack is not a real news site. ChinaSmack doesn’t focus on what is important, but it helps us (me, Laowei) to get an indea of trending topics in Chinese Social Media.

            Just like you used the site to express some of your experiences and frustrations, many other people do that as well on this site. Not only by writing about personal experiences (which are very much appreciated), but by commenting on others. Nitpicking on others is the easiest way to express your own frustration, so consider those remarks to say more about the poster than about you.

            Speaking for myself, I welcome comments from Chinese or from people with a Chinese background or history. The provide a fresh insight and often shine a different light on the topics discussed. So I hope that one day, you will be an active poster here, with even you own logon-id so we know which comments are more worthhwile to read ;-)

          • bujiebuke

            Your free to share your thoughts, rants, or bring your own perspective to the discussion.

            I was pointing out that I understood your original post and tried to clarify my response. No need to stress over this thread IMO.

          • 42

            How old are you? You really come across as immature. This is not a personal blog, if you share your rants, then people will judge and criticize. It’s not considered nitpicking, its considered as a discussion. If you are not here to discuss your ideas and thoughts, then yes, be quiet. Even you merely an ordinary citizen is irritated by the feeling of justifying yourself, so what about the chinese people, culture, society and government? You also feel they need to justify to you?

          • boonie

            Well I was raised that if you don’t agree with something and it doesn’t do you any harm, just walk away, but I guess that’s not the case for you, since you feel like simply judging is not enough, but you must find them and let them know how different you feel just so you can…. what? I’m not sure. Besides, why are you responding to things I’m talking about to others? This isn’t really a discussion, more like I’m talking to one person and you overhear me by following me and then jam in just so you can get your two cents in. Feels like you’re pretty needy. It might be my bad English but I have trouble understanding the last two sentences. It would be nice if you could explain and “discuss” like you continue preaching rather than throw personal insults, thank you.

          • bujiebuke

            I see my response never made it up, so here it is again:

            You can posts your rants/raves/frustrations etc just like anyone else, but do know that people will also respond with varying opinion. In this case, I was bringing my viewpoint to this discussion. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t make it “nit picky”.

            I’ll make one last comment on this. Stereotypes do not come out of the void, there are groups of people who do indeed fit stereotypes, but that does not mean all 1 billion people act in the same manner. You clearly experience culture shock in China and had difficulty adjusting. Your response in completely distancing yourself from “being Chinese” is your own business, but do know that your decision comes off as a bit naive based on a single experience. Then again, you will find a large group of self-hating Chinese in the states that likely agree with you.

          • boonie

            Well I apologize for being overly sensitive. I am known to be sensitive when it comes to such things, and will work on reading things objectively.

            Although I understand not everyone is like this, the majority of the people are. If it’s this way in the several large and medium cities, should I assume in more underpriviledged and poorer educated places are better? Like how the speaker here is someone who isn’t a stereotype, but even if she works so hard, will she be able to change the minds of the majority? Or even those in power to make mass changes easier? I would very much love to be proved wrong, as I still care about my dad living here. I distance myself from those who fit the stereotype of being inconsiderate, uneducated and uncivilized, which is much much more than just a single experience. I’ve also been in several different parts of society from white collar work/public transportation, colleges, helping a friend who worked for the wealthy, as well as dirt poor rural areas of my relatives. Perhaps by some chance I just have horrible luck and run into mostly assholes and stereotypes? I have a friend who is 100% white, born and raised elsewhere, who came to China and fell in love with here during a vacation with me. She decided to study to become a teacher in the states and have a real degree, since her dream is to one day become a good health (esp sexual health) teacher in China. She has since then experienced culture shock but she is still much more cut off from being Chinese with Chinese as she mostly hangs with her other expat teachers and go to places where foreigners go. The way Chinese tend to act when I’m around her versus when I’m by myself is quite different. I think what I’m probably feeling is a bit of culture shock but more of an identity crisis. Disillusioned, maybe.

          • Matt

            If I may ask, what country did you grow up in?

    • 42

      Troll alert! I mean big troll big time! with an anime smilie face.

      • boonie

        First time I wanted to share my frustrations with the country of my birth, I get called a troll. So I guess this website is reserved for expats only?

        • 42

          You said it yourself, it’s your country of birth, you are living in that country, so you are actually part of the problems and frustrations.

          There are many examples that people help other developing countries that they are not even born in, for instance like Africa, many people donate money to charity to help improve living conditions in Africa. In this case China is actually your country of birth, but still you are considering abandoning it.

          If you want some change,start with yourself instead of complaining, don’t blame others for your misery. If everybody complains like you and turn away and hide, then nothing can be done, nothing can be changed.

          • boonie

            So someone who just happens to visit once in a while, and was only living there before she is 10, is definitely responsible for all the country’s wrongs? Who would have guess a little kid who was taught good manners and habits by her strict parents would be part of the problem of China’s enviroment and population ignorance! I guess if I leave this country it will automatically become perfect then, right?

            Africa has a ton more issues than China does. China isn’t poor, nor is it stupid, but it continues to choose stupid superficial methods to do things. That includes educating its citizens properly rather than just memorizing textbook questions. My mother has always donated every month since she got a job in the US to poor rural children who cannot afford to go to school, and I help her maintain that even after her passing. But for you to compare a place like China to the donation places in Africa where skeletal children and dismantled huts are is quite a bit of exageration and generalization. The government don’t need anymore money, and most charities end in the hands of higher ups and officials. If you follow news on weibo and also on Chinese news, you can see how time and time again officials and people in charge are always screwing over the people who actually need help. Sadly as a full foreigner, I cannot do much in the fields of goverment or ending corruption unless I start my whole life over as a Chinese citizen and work my way up the ladder and then police them. Sometimes things shouldn’t be continuously forgiven and helped, when it’s obvious that things should fall. Like the corrupt and messup banking issues in the US years back. China doesn’t need money, it needs to rise up and fight against the higher ups that only think about their wallets and not the people’s wellbeing.

            Things that I have trouble with about China, I always do my part to make it better. I don’t litter, spit, smoke, drink, or drive. I use public transportation and recycle when I can. I don’t use fireworks and most aerosole can (those things that is bad for ozone). Like I said before I help my mom maintain her donations, and I also donate to help local animal hospital. The things that are in good or decent condition but don’t use anymore, I donate. If it was up to me, I never waste food, but sadly when eating with others there will always be waste. I do my part as best I can, without imposing myself onto others, but still leave reminders. If this is considered complaining and running away, then we will just agree to disagree. In your mind, it seems it’s not the people who do wrong who should be in trouble, but the people who do right but also point out the wrongs.

            It’s funny you’ve done nothing but assume everything about me personally since your first “lololol it’s a troll!!111” post.

      • boonie

        Also, I’m assuming your “anime smilie face” is refering to my icon, since I did not use any emoticons in my post. My icon is a character I created and drawn for a mobile game in China. God forbid I’m an artist…

        • Xia

          Actually, I think the icon is pretty cute.

          First thing that comes into my mind after reading your post is “Not again some guy who needs a place to rant about China. How many times is it already?I Forgot to count.” It’s good though you have matured beyond a blind “being proud of motherland”, because it seems to me that your knowledge of China has been very superficial before. But don’t be blinded by your disappointment and go to the other extreme, because there is still a lot of good in such a big country. Now if you consider what people in your parents’ generation have gone through under the CCP’s glorious leadership that is the correct truth and always right and patriotism inspiring through sheer awesome power, maybe you could be more forgiving towards the misshape that Chinese society is in.

          • boonie

            I understand that point, and I can see how my original post may seem kind of rant-y. I think it’s just a snowball of disappointment when it comes to hypocracy in China’s attitude when it comes to a lot issues. Mostly in the people’s, actually. I think I saw somewhere a quote like no snowflake feels responsible for an avalance, and I think this describes the Chinese people’s attitude very well.

            As for your comment about my parent’s generation, I was actually quite surprised to see the difference in attitudes between the students of my mom’s college now vs how my mom’s classmates were. They were educated and felt there was need for change or to find better oppotunity elsewhere (like my mother did), where as nowadays, from the ones I’ve met, they all have an attitude of oh well this is how it is I’ll just live my life. It saddens me that this is the youth from the top college.

            In a lot of ways I feel movements like the one in the article is almost hopeless, as I’ve stated in my original message.. Sure they’ll look at that video and make a comment, but who will remember it? I have the Chinese news turned on everyday and I’ve seen more praises about pointless officials visiting some rural town than anything worthwhile. So in part, I see nothing but empty words and passions when I see these netizens. Afterall, how many of the massive population watch the news vs go to these forums? I do take the enviroment issue a bit more personally than some others, which is what prompted my first comment here.

            Thank you for actually replying to my comment seriously and sharing view points without pointing fingers.

          • Xia

            Today’s youth in China is very cynic. It’s a result of the immense social pressure they are artificially put into, getting a house, getting a car, finding a job under the current insane market conditions, all just to get married. Practical idealism hasn’t been in the textbook since 89, the ever since then children have been taught to conform with society and apply a “be silent, work hard, make money” mentality. But you may also look at it as a slow boiling process, if the situation gets worse and worse day by day, even the most lazy persons will not stand it at one point and go out to demand a real change.

            Why are you still watching CCTV? I have thrown it into the trash where it belongs a long time ago. There is some good among the heaps of rubbish, but just too bored to look through all the Party slogans.

          • boonie

            That’s what I’m counting on. Even though I won’t be here, my dad is still here and I want the rest of his life to be nice. Part of why I’m always encouraging him to move out of Beijing and to somewhere that’s healthier enviroment wise. I totally agree with you about the pressures and cultural treatment of youth. It’s really sad. I wish the youth can rebel against their pressures and parental expectations, but maybe the cultural norm for young people is so ingrained that it’s difficult for them to overcome that age divided ladder of respect. I feel like most are either flattened and defeated or really spoiled and selfish kind of rebeling. It’s also sad that many parents see their children as a kind of retirement fund. I’m grateful my father isn’t like that at all and wants me to live my life rather than become a silent retirement fun for him.

          • Xia

            I also think it is sad that many people view their partners as a kind of investment, and seeing marriage as a market. But maybe it’s because the majority of people don’t really have financial independence. Look at what they get from their retirement funds, it’s peanuts and probably don’t worth anything once the inflation has eroded it away along their savings. This must be making a lot of people nervous. I think Chinese parents do love their children very much, but it’s a spoiling kind of love and not really character building. In the west, people get independent from their parents when reaching adulthood, but in China many young adults are still very much (financially) attached to their parents, and thereby submitting themselves to their parent’s choices.

            I’m curious, why is your dad staying in Beijing, while you and your mom have immigrated abroad? (It reminds me of some very familiar stories of the father staying behind to make money and wife and kids moving out for a better environment…)

          • boonie

            Absolutely! Although I don’t get the same pressure as my cousins, sometimes my relatives tell me I should look for a partner, but I always say definitely not in china because the relationship pool is literally like a marketplace. They always talk about how the man has to have 3 things: a job, a car and a house. For marriage consideration! I always felt that kind of thing is something two people build up together after marriage. I even heard one of my relatives trying to propose the idea of marriage for Beijing residency. It’s almost like marriage lost its meaning. I hear the guys talk about marrying a rich girl and girls talking about marrying a rich guy, both parties wanting to depend on others or their parents. And how parents are suppose to pay too. Sometimes my relatives say I’m pretty Americanized in the way that I don’t want to spend their money. Even little things they buy me I would always pay them back. For me it just feels wrong to have my parents pay for my personal things like clothes or electronics when I can earn a living.

            My dad had a great job at the time as well as plenty of social connections, so he felt like he enjoyed China more. My mom on the other hand wanted more than what China had to offer. Interesting enough I’ve heard way too many stories about the female liking foreign countries while the male didn’t. My mom went to grad school in the US and brought me over after she got a job. They both work and earn well, but in a lot of things they had to share expenses, such as house purchase or my college tuition. My mother passed away a few years ago from terminal cancer, and I couldn’t finish my degree because I had to come home and take care of her full time. I felt lost in my life so I proposed the idea of coming back to China to find some direction as well as take care of my father since he is over 50.

          • Xia

            I hope you have found more of a direction and purpose now. You are a good daughter. Don’t loose faith or someday you’d become as cynical as the majority of people in China…

          • boonie

            I have noticed becoming more bitter after living here. I used to be pretty happy go lucky growing up… Thank you for chatting with me. c:

          • Xia

            China is a tough place, but what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. A pleasure to talk with you. Good luck on your journey and have fun. :)

          • boonie

            It was a pleasure as well. I hope you have a good day/night.

          • 42

            I think its a wonderful tradition of chinese culture for families to look out for each other and show respect. You raise your child and try to give them the best and educate them to be well respected people in society. In return the child when grown up can take care of their parents during their old age. This is how it should be. Ofcourse this is not a guarantee, it depends on the child revenue and success in life, but it is a child unspoken duty to give something in return to their parents when possible. However if you think in terms of retirement funds then you have a wrong and false perception of family life.

            Actually parents who invest in their child, given them shelter and food, accumulated over the years, to be honest the money spend on raising you exceeds alot more than you are able to pay back in your lifetime. So supporting them in their old age is the least you can do.

            Actually the full circle of family life even in a political sense of way can have a useful function. Parents have their child and when the child grows up making their own money can support the retirement funds of their parents. This way a societies tax money that are spend on financing retirement funds can be lower, also working people can retire earlier, so that the next young generation can get jobs more easily. If every country and every people in this world has this policy of full circle family life, then alot of government tax money funding problems could be solved.

            So, therefore I must disagree with you, chinese parents do not think their child as a means for securing their retirement fund, that is a wrong assumption. Investing in a child for your retirement is the least stable investment you can do, especially in China with a one child policy, if something happens to your child, you will lose your investment. instead you can rather invest in real estate or stocks for your retirement fund, that is a more plausible idea.

            However every parent do have an unspoken wish that their child can take care of them, whether that is human care, or financial care. Even your own father think this way, even though you might think he doesn’t. It should be common sense that a parent have the duty to take care of a child, but it should also be common sense the child should do the same when the parents grow old, that is the essence of chinese culture and family value you should be proud of.

            instead of complaining what you dont like, try to learn these values and use it in a positive way. like this environmental activist Chai Jings could have left Chinas aswell, and could have said Chinas pollution is not my problem, I want to leave as soon as possible. Instead she put effort in making the chinese people aware of the pollution problem, she made effort to ignite change. That is the spirit chinese need, not complaints.

          • boonie

            Or each generation can learn to save and account for their future retirement themselves rather than leave their fate to the child they chose to give birth to. I thought people had kids because they want to bring a life together with the one they love into this world, and to live and grow together, rather than as a monetary investment. I have no issue of helping my father at any time if he ever has trouble, but he and I are both the type of person who do not like being needy onto someone else. If you put your dependence completely into someone else’s hands, then what do you have to live for for yourself? I would much rather work hard while I’m young and capable to ensure a good future for myself rather than gamble it on some kid I pop out. My father been in that position before, the middle aged child who has to take care of those above and those below (grandparents and child). It was very stressful and draining for him that he thought the best thing he could do for his child was not to spoil me like a princess and hope I pay it all back, but to instead teach me to earn things for myself and not give me the burden of taking care of him when I’m just starting out in the employment world and getting my foot steady. Besides, many young adults these days are quite selfish due to being the single child and raised as the apple of their parents eye, and I hear a lot more stories and news about them abusing or disrespecting the elderly rather than paying back. In theory, I agree with your ideas, but in practice it’s not the best.

          • Taojas

            “In return the child when grown up can take care of their parents during their old age. This is how it should be.”

            Well yes – Traditional culture asserts this as THE overriding MORAL LAW. But Isn’t this really the fundamental flaw with Confucianist sentimentality? I know we are different from animals. But If we assume that we as humans are just another species of animal and we then take an objective look at the multitude of other species that inhabit our world as to how they approach this in nature, how many examples can we find of this kind of behavior ? I would assert – none.

        • 42

          Everybody think they are an artist these days……

          • boonie

            Well, I work and earn money by drawing artwork, and people hire me to draw them artworks and assets… I work in the art dept… so I’m not sure if you have some weird closeminded idea of what art “should be”, but I’m pretty sure I’m an artist. The way you pick personal insults since your first reply isn’t really boding well for your ability to “discuss” minus your comment about family.

          • 42

            Working for a company drawing visual materials doesnt make you an artist. In other words, your profession is that like of any other profession, you would not say a Banker or Lawyer is an artist do you? You are a graphical designer, thats all. But thats my opinion.

            Van Gogh was an artist, he made art even without earning a buck, out of his own interests.

            Or you can say Ai Wei Wei is an artist aswell.

          • boonie

            Well professional and freelance sounds a little weird next to eachother. Strictly speaking I would think freelance describes better. I draw for clients, whether they are simply fans of my work or companies, and I also draw for myself for enjoyment as well as things I make to sell. I’ve been drawing for myself since around 6 and only started working towards earning from it in high school after being discovered by clients online. Since a banker is called a banker, what would I be called? Calling me a “professional” and “freelancer” seems horribly vague. Professional freelance person-who-makes-artwork-but-is-not-artist person? Illustrator who can also do game assets as well as character design and concept? That is a mouthful to say. I’ve never honestly had anyone express this kind of attitude so I’m curious as to why.

            So in your mind, an artist must never make a living or even any earning from their creations to be an artist. So literally the “starving artist” stereotype? Sorry but I’m not familiar with your second example, as even though I follow news and such in China, I’m not very good when it comes to people in media. I don’t really follow people in media of any country to be honest…

    • Paul Schoe

      Thanks for sharing.
      However, living in China I have seen many changes, particulalry during the last 5 years. Fresh green roots are coming up everywhere.

      I understand that the more you get to know China, the more difficult it is to love it, but I do feel it is temporarily. Within 2 generations, a lot of the dark past is behind and people as well as society will be more caring. The difference between now and just 20, 10 or even 5 years ago, is already enormous.

  • Charles

    Finally, a Chinese hero (heroin) I can support.

    • derp

      i, too, love heroin

  • Alan Dale Brown

    It looks like it’s been taken off of youku. :(

  • Matt

    Has this been censored yet by China? Surprised it saw the light of day in the first place.

  • yi_ge_yi_jian
  • al

    This looks like TED’s production. Is it not? Or it’s a Chinese Clone?

  • Boris

    Basically the French being pompous :P.

    ‘Cuisine implies a certain degree of sophistication, technique and complexity,’ – Yep, sounds like the French being pompous to me. :P

    Seriously, I don’t think English food can be classed as ‘Cuisine ‘ but the word itself is no longer just to mean what you think it should refer to, or at least not in English. Words evolve. Sure, the French may not like it and there are plenty of borrowed words in the English language, end of the day, type in ‘English Cuisine’ and I’m sure you’d find something referring to some of those English dishes as such.

    Is Bisque cuisine? Are Baguettes? Foie gras? What do you consider to be French Cuisine that the rest of us may not just see it as French food?

    • Originator

      You might no agree with it, but those are historical facts. Sure words evolve as people change their meaning, like “literally” can mean about anything now.

      And likewise, just because one word has one popular use or meaning, it does not change stop it from having other recognized uses and meanings.

      Besides, it is not about what I want it to mean, it is about those that live in that world mean. Real aouthorities with plenty of gravitas. The cullinary world and not the cooking world. Those who want to be cheffs go to `Culinary School` and not to `Cooking School` like wise there is a reason why people pay more for something for a restaurant with a michelin star than from a food truck.

      You may think it is about being pompous, I think there is no inherint difference about `cuisine`and `food` bust just like you pointed out with:

      —“words in the English language, end of the day, type in ‘English Cuisine’—

      The whole thing is about concensus, and just like you pointed out, the consensus might include meaning we dont like. But you can not deny that there is a huge concensus that thinks cusine is something different from cooking.

      And like some one else said, in most places in Britain where you might expect to eat cuisine, you would find instead french food instead of british food.

  • Ezrahhh

    Don’t forget she was a former mouth piece for the Chinese Government. She is a front being used by the real puppet master who is seeking to take down the next “big tigers” in the oil and coal sectors.

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