Chinese Man’s Life with Beautiful Ukrainian Wife Envied

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From NetEase:

The attack of the academic failure: Chinese young man marries beautiful 18 year-old Ukrainian girl.

12 years ago, Mei Aicai only scored 320 points on the Gaokao examination [out of 750 points]. With this, he thought his academic career was over, and suddenly found himself at a loss for what to do. At that point, a friend dragged him along to go study abroad in Ukraine, and even though he thought Ukraine was in Africa at the time and couldn’t speak a single word of the language there, Mei Aicai still boarded the flight to this strange new country, never imagining that once he went, he would be there for 12 years…

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Anxiety – he only knew one Russian phrase before leaving the country [going abroad]

For Mei Aicai, Ukraine was an unknown country, and initially thought this country was in Africa.

”Before I left the country, I went to Shijiazhuang and learned Russian for a month, but ultimately only learned “hello, I want water”. When I got on the plane, I was really nervous, not knowing what would be waiting for me in an unknown country,” Mei Aicai said.

Upon arriving in Ukraine, Mei Aicai took a preparatory course at the local university, and because he didn’t speak the language, he made a mockery of himself. “When I first arrived, I saw black bread in the store. I thought it was made with chocolate and bought a whole bunch, but when I took a bite, it was both bitter and hard, like a rock. In the end, I had to throw it all away,” Mei Aicai said.

Another time, Mei Aicai went to the hair salon for a haircut and had a lot of trouble describing the hairstyle he wanted to the barber. Eventually, he resorted to buying a pair of scissors and used a mirror to cut his own hair. Russian words are very long, and its grammar is even more complex, with many Ukrainians themselves not even fully understanding it. Mei Aicai couldn’t understand anything during class, as the professor had a deep accent, and to him it all sounded like someone selling lamb skewers.

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A lonely life – tomatoes scrambled with egg was a luxury for him

To outsiders, Mei Aicai must have come from a rich household to be able to go abroad, but in reality his parents were average working class people. He chose to go to Ukraine because the cost of a university education was similar to China, and moreover visas were also relatively easy to obtain.

Although his family was not wealthy, Mei Aicai didn’t grow up in hardship either, but when he arrived in Ukraine, the first problem he had to solve was how to feed himself. During the winter in Ukraine, vegetables are very expensive, the price tags all listed prices in kilograms, and no matter what Mei Aicai looked at, he felt he couldn’t afford anything.

“Only after going out in the world did I slowly understand my parents’ hardships. For the first two years, the things I ate the most were potatoes and cabbage, as these two things are the cheapest in Ukraine. Only during Chinese New Year was I willing to buy two tomatoes. At the time, I thought tomato scrambled with egg was a luxurious meal.”

Although it was hard, Mei Aicai quickly became independent, and as someone who had never cooked before at home, he gradually learned how to even cook a few specialties. Mei Aicai said: “The first year abroad, what I felt most was loneliness and helplessness, and everyday I wanted to go [back] home. At that time, I did not have a phone or a computer, so I eagerly waited for the weekends when I could go to the internet cafe to chat with my family”.

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Adjusting – playing ping pong opened a new world for him

After graduating from his 1 year preparatory course, Mei Aicai stupidly chose to attend the Karkov Academy of Fine Arts, and he became the only student in the school who didn’t know how to draw.

During the first semester at the academy, he spent most of his time playing video games and skipping class. Mei Aicai felt he didn’t have a goal in life, and wanted to make a change. So, everyday he went to the gymnasium to play ping pong and, as a result, he made many Ukrainian friends, and his Russian also gradually improved.

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Most importantly, Mei Aicai also represented the academy and won 3rd place in the Karkov University Student Competition, a first in the academy’s 100 year-old history. After winning the prize, Mei Aicai’s life entered a new era. An athletic teacher regarded him greatly, placed his picture in the school halls, and more and more Ukrainian students and teachers came to him to play ping pong.

Though ping pong, Mei Aicai even found a girlfriend, and began to work hard at his major under her encouragement. Over the next few years, Mei Aicai did well in his core studies, his Russian greatly improved, and he consistently aced his athletics.

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Happiness – in both love and career

On the Autohome BBS, Mei Aicai’s threads about his life in Ukraine have reached hundreds of thousands, even millions of views. People all relished in discussing his beautiful wife, and it was through his wife’s support that Mei Aicai started his own business.

When Ukrainian women get married, they take their husband’s name. Mei Aicai’s wife’s name is Mei Dasha and she is still attending high school. According to Ukrainian law, women can marry at the age of 17.

”She may be young but her views are very mature. At school, she is a good student with excellent grades and at home, she is a good wife, keeping our home neat and tidy, doing the laundry and cooking.” Talking about his wife, Mei Aicai has nothing but praise for her.

A happy home life left Mei Aicai with less to worry about, so he had more time to devote to his business. He quit his previous job as an animator and chose to start his own business. Currently, he is running a company engaged in the import/export of equipment and foodstuffs.

According to him, doing business in Ukraine requires little entertainment and socializing, where even taking a client out is unnecessary, so even now Mei Aicai does not drink or smoke, but Ukrainians have high standards when it comes to quality of work.

Because he is in the import/export business, Mei Aicai spends a lot of time each day communicating with people in China, but luckily he can stay at home and simply turn on his computer to work.

”Some people think I am very successful, but I feel my greatest happiness comes from my family. I come home everyday on time to eat with my wife, and afterward we go for a walk. I feel this kind of life is very happy, and next year we are planning to have our first baby,” Mei Aicai said.

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Note: The above article was based on posts he made on a forum over the span of several years and does not reflect up-to-date information.

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Comments on NetEase:

跟帖有态度 [妙笔生花]:

I’m going to the Ukrainian Embassy this afternoon to get my visa.

网易广东省深圳市网友:

This kid sure is lucky to get such a girl, and this is what fate is [or the differences in people’s fates]. Had he done well in school, and even if he attended Tsinghua, he probably couldn’t have found an 18 year-old girl to be his wife.

民主不等于同志 [网易天津市网友]:

This can easily give people a false impression, as if all people in Ukraine share this standard of living. Still, I hope this young man will still be this happy at 40 and beyond.

284853535 [网易广东省东莞市网友]:

Already in line in front of the Ukrainian Embassy.

stanger0 [网易山东省济南市网友]:

I’m going to the Somali Embassy this afternoon to get my visa.

网易湖北省网友:

Chinese people’s diligence, hard work, shrewdness are a rarity among most countries in the world. Yet, China’s population density is too great and can mask [these qualities], but if you let Chinese people out in the world, the world will truly see the power of the Chinese people!

molele2 [网易上海市网友]:

I don’t want to be Chinese anymore, I want to be Ukrainian.

qqhbc [网易上海市网友]:

One way to judge whether a man’s ability [worth] is to see whether or not you can marry a foreign woman (European or American). Middle Eastern, African, Southeast Asian don’t count.

171984005 [网易广东省阳江市阳东县网友]:

Ukrainian women sure are enchanting, drool.

网易广东省佛山市网友:

When a man marries a foreigner, it’ll make the news, and seems to even bring a bit of pride. That’s because such cases are extremely rare. When a [Chinese] woman marries a foreigner, there is nothing, because [such cases] are too many.

51244 [网易安徽省淮北市网友]:

I don’t understand. He had no money and he couldn’t speak Russian well, so how did he find a girlfriend? How did he communicate?

网易湖北省武汉市网友:

Ukraine really does have a lot of beautiful women.

This story is also trending on Sina Weibo under the hashtag #学渣逆袭乌克兰女神# (Chinese Academic Failure Conquers Ukrainian Goddess) with over 1.5 million views.

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Below is a short video report about Mei Aicai’s life:

An even shorter version on QQ with better quality.

Written by Joe

Joe is a documentary producer and journalist based in Shanghai

  • JayJay

    Good for him, I suppose. But you hear too many of these mail order bride scams. Since he’s not rich, maybe this is legit.

  • Amused

    *cough* bullshit *cough*

    • mr.wiener

      Stranger things have happened.

      • Amused

        If the guy was ethnically Chinese from just about ANYWHERE but ML China, I wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow. Buuuuuuut…
        This is like trying to sell me on “your bro” marrying Cindy Crawford from the early ’90’s with “your bro” in this instance being a one-legged donkey zombie with a prolapsed everything, cancer of the AIDS of the face and being a burn victim and suspected nazi “work” camp director to boot.

        • Alex Dương

          It’s not as unbelievable as you think. Aside from race / nationality, really, how’s this article any different from this one? Ukraine is not a whole lot wealthier than Kenya, Cameroon, etc.

          • Amused

            OK, so I may have jumped the shark a bit with the hyperbole. But it felt good, and honestly it is REALLY that bullshit. And the only superficial differences between the two articles are the huge amounts of just ummmm…. wow-level racism in that one you linked. At least in the way they are formatted. I would say the true differences lurk beneath; the viewpoints and goals of the two authors.

          • Alex Dương

            I didn’t think too many of the top translated comments in that article exhibited racism. Quite a few were basically saying “if they’re happy, who cares?”

            My point is that if average looking Chinese guys can have relationships with way-above-average-looking African women, it isn’t that farfetched that an average looking Chinese guy can be married to a way-way-way-above-average-looking Ukrainian woman. Ukraine’s actually a relatively poor country.

          • mr.wiener

            Actually she is average to good for a Ukranian. It’s just that their average is way above many other places… England for example (tee hee!).

          • Alex Dương

            SHOTS FIRED.

          • Butsu

            Well in Englands case, small island, small gene pool.

          • mr.wiener

            Hmmm…The romans ,the vikings and the french have all dipped their wicks in Albion. Not to mention all the new blood from the colonies. The issue is not genetics. It is diet, lifestyle and over crowding.(though weather and , fluride in the water and socialized medicine may also play a part).

          • Butsu

            It was a joke. I told it to my girlfriend but switched out England for Taiwan…She didn’t think it was funny!

          • Probotector

            Sorry, what?

          • Amused

            Uhhh dude… These are just a FEW quotes from your linked article.

            “It’s okay if you want to marry, just don’t leave your
            children/descendents in China. I don’t want future Chinese people to be
            like those half-black half-yellow people in Latin American countries,
            with lowered intelligence, having lost the purity of their blood, with only a name to claim.”

            “Black people always make me feel like they haven’t washed themselves. I can’t accept/handle someone who is dark all over their body.”

            “Those who are too dark I truly am unable to accept.
            Just looking at them I lose all sexual desire! Turn the lights off and
            its okay.

            Purely my personal prejudice, so don’t yell at me if you disagree!!”

            That sir is some racist ass shit. Like what you might hear at an Alabama Sheet party level racist shit…
            In the interest of this not being a page long post I’ll let someone else point out the other fallacies in your logic :)

          • Alex Dương

            Come on, dude, it isn’t fair for you to cherrypick like that. Every comment you referred to was indeed a top comment, but you can’t ignore these either, several of which had more upvotes than the ones you chose:

            I wish them the best/happiness, so what if they’re from Africa/are African [black], as long as you like/love them, that’s all that matters.

            Doesn’t matter, love has no borders.

            If the sex/gender were reversed, the comments to this post would all be cursing/criticism…

            Seeing these responses, I’ve discovered that our country’s females are far more tolerant, rational, and have more character/class than the males~… If it were reversed, a bunch of WSN [猥琐男, wei suo nan, wretched/little men] would be falling over themselves cursing how “Chinese women worship the foreign”…

            Actually, the world is now one, and as long as there is love, it doesn’t matter what kind of person is with what kind of person~

            There are black girls who are rather pretty, their bodies even less deserving of criticism!

            Nothing strange at all. Chinese men marrying foreign women is the same as Chinese women marrying laowai. Comparatively speaking, the difficulty of marrying a Chinese girl is somewhat greater~Haha

          • Amused

            I could have “cherry picked” at least 4-5 more man.
            And yet I only find one nasty in the comments above.

            “One way to judge whether a man’s ability [worth] is to see whether
            or not you can marry a foreign woman (European or American). Middle
            Eastern, African, Southeast Asian don’t count.”

            That kind of makes the one you linked the racist-er of the two articles.

          • Alex Dương

            It isn’t fair to only look at the good comments and ignore the bad. I didn’t do that; I don’t deny that there are bad comments among the top. But what you’re doing isn’t fair either.

            None of the comments you picked was among the top three. The most upvoted comment was basically saying “not my thing,” the second comment was more-or-less ignorance without any accompanying hate, and the third and fourth comments were “live and let live.” You have to go down to comment seven before you find one that is outright racist.

            Was it one of the top comments? Yes. Is it alone? No, there are a few others like it that you mentioned. But again, it is simply unfair to focus exclusively on these and ignore the others that don’t share these views.

          • Amused

            You’re seriously defending this shit bro? You asked me, and I quote,”how’s this article any different from this one?” and I told you. It seems like you’re just saying “Oh, they aren’t THAT racist” in response. Which is weird shit from where I’m sitting since YOU didn’t write any of those ugly things.

          • Alex Dương

            Dude, what you’re doing is not fair. You cannot cherrypick the bad, ignore the good, and then say “huge amounts of just ummmm…. wow-level racism.” Quite frankly, I could flip this on you and say it’s prejudiced to assert that there’s no way in hell this article could be real because it’s a mainland Chinese guy with a smoking hot Ukrainian wife.

            That’s why I mentioned that article; because if mainland Chinese guys can be married to smoking hot African women, why’s it so unbelievable in this case? Ukraine is actually poorer than some African nations like Botswana.

          • Amused

            “why’s it so unbelievable in this case?”

            Well, first it was simultaneously established in the article above that he’s stupid and he’s ML Chinese.
            The stupid part doesn’t win you tons of points with most ladies, but some like dummies I’ll grant you. But then you add that ML China tag on there, and you throw his manhood out the window= most chicks don’t dig dudes that rock a purse and tight jeans better than they do, and who will hide behind them during “altercations”. Another potential deal breaker for most chicks, but let’s press on.

            They then sweetened the pot and added broke, i.e. his “working class” parents= diaosi are supporting his non-working ass to go to school in a foreign country so he’s got zero cash of his own and has probably tapped them for everything they’re worth just to get some schooling.
            Then they showed his picture. And well, by Western standards, handsome he ain’t. Again, as most dudes know, that doesn’t stop an ugly dude from getting his share if he goes for it.
            Then they pointed out she was only 17 when they married. And we all know how much ML Chinese men like that underage tang…

            So yeah, basically you have a fantasy written about a dumb, effeminate, broke, ugly guy going to the West and bagging some young strange.

            Read like bullshit yet to you?

            Possibly someone’s fantasy

          • Kai

            Well, first it was simultaneously established in the article above that he’s stupid and he’s ML Chinese.

            First, it isn’t established that he’s stupid. Every time we have a gaokao article, people point out how a standardized test is a terrible way to determine a person’s intelligence. All we know is he did poorly on it.

            Second, you do understand there are plenty of perfectly fine mainland Chinese guys, right? I’m kinda concerned about you so eagerly perpetuating the notion that simply being a mainlander makes a person categorically undesirable.

            But then you add that ML China tag on there, and you throw his manhood out the window= most chicks don’t dig dudes that rock a purse and tight jeans better than they do, and who will hide behind them during “altercations”. Another potential deal breaker for most chicks, but let’s press on.

            All you’re doing here is projecting your own stereotypes and prejudices about mainland men.

            It’s rather unbecoming.

          • Amused

            Come hang out in China awhile bro. Do you some good. Honestly I can’t believe how DIFFERENT the Chinese men are here from the one’s I’ve met elsewhere in the world. Most American, Canadian and Australian men of Chinese blood I know are pretty suave and aren’t sissies. In an cage fight of average Zhou’s off the street, I’d put my money on one foreign born Chinese vs. 2 of the natives. At least of the modern generations. The old dudes are tough as nails.

          • Kai

            I AM in China.

            You do understand your argument and defense of your argument boils down to wow-level racism, right? Or if you’re the type who insists “racism” even in its modern colloquial usage should only apply to specifically “race”, we’re still talking about wow-level “prejudice” and “bigotry”.

            Of a country of a 1.3 billion people, you’ve developed a certain impression of a certain subset of men and decided all men who come from the country must be like that. Come on, dude…give me some indication you recognize that you’re exaggerating to the point of intentionally trolling people. You are not so stupid that you do not recognize how indefensible your comments are. When Chinese people make the same sort of bullshit comments, they are roundly and deservedly castigated for it. It’s depressing that these comments of yours are actually getting upvotes. The petty bigotry is completely demoralizing.

          • Amused

            Ahhh, I see you’re mistaking “culturalism” for “racism” bro. I specifically stated ML Chinese. And yeah, if a people act certain ways if front of peoples of other cultures, surprise; they’re gonna be judged.
            Don’t get your panties in a knot over simple observations even a child could make.
            Oh, and if you ARE in China, and you’re a Chinese man, AND you aren’t at all like what I mentioned, you should be too busy trying to get women to stop killing each other in their efforts to marry you to even care.

          • Kai

            Ahhh, I see you’re mistaking “culturalism” for “racism” bro. I specifically stated ML Chinese.

            No, I didn’t mistake your bigotry and prejudice for what it is. Neither word is premised upon “race”.

            And yeah, if a people act certain ways if front of peoples of other cultures, surprise; they’re gonna be judged.

            There’s a difference between judging the people acting a certain way and generalizing their behavior onto a much larger group. I can judge a black guy for being an asshole but I can’t judge all black people to be assholes on the basis of that one guy.

            Do you really not understand this or are you pretending to be obtuse just to piss people off?

          • Amused

            Well Kai, as much as I do secretly enjoy pissing you off*grins*, I haven’t met a manly Chinese guy who wasn’t born at LEAST 35 years ago or wasn’t a farmer. And by farmer I mean the REAL farmers, not the poor folks on the edge of the city. Like I said tho, those older generations are different.

          • Kai

            So you’re pretending to be obtuse.

            Please don’t do that.

          • Amused

            Me?
            Pretend?
            Obtuse?
            Never!
            *grins*

          • Alex Dương

            First, I don’t think the guy’s effeminate or ugly. He looks just like an “average guy” to me, much like the Chinese guys featured in the article I referenced. As @Kai:disqus mentioned, it seems like you’re generalizing from your stereotypes of mainland Chinese guys too far inasmuch as this guy doesn’t seem to fit them. I’d be willing to bet internet money that he isn’t wearing tight jeans with that sportcoat in the first photo.

            Second, I hope I’m not opening a can of worms with this, but I accept all responsibility if that’s the case: doesn’t your description of this guy as dumb (at least in the sense of standardized tests) and broke match quite a few, perhaps even many, white expats in China? If they can have relationships with good looking Chinese women, why can’t this “dumb, broke” guy have a relationship with a good looking Ukrainian woman?

          • Amused

            Well, what with beauty being in the eye of the beholder, and me not beholdering at men much, I’ll leave leave his handsome/ugly status to greater experts than myself. And dumb and broke definitely exist everywhere man. But how many of these dumb, broke expats are actually marrying 17yo Chinese girls?

            It’s some douche’s fantasy…

          • Kai

            Dude, it’s multiple media reports including a video news crew going out to Ukraine to film his wife and life vs. your unwillingness to believe any “mainland” guy could get with a Ukrainian girl.

            I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m inclined to believe the story is true and not “some douche’s fantasy”.

          • Amused

            And you would seriously believe ANYTHING Chinese News told you? If they told me the sun was yellow I start suspecting I was wrong and that that big glowing thing in the sky must be purple instead…

          • Alex Dương

            Well, what with beauty being in the eye of the beholder, and me not
            beholdering at men much, I’ll leave leave his handsome/ugly status to
            greater experts than myself.

            That’s just lame. If you’re going to play this card, then you shouldn’t be judging other men’s looks as ugly.

            But how many of these dumb, broke expats are actually marrying 17yo Chinese girls?
            It’s some douche’s fantasy…

            If your claim is that this guy is essentially “fanfic”-ing and catering to a subset of guys who like “underage women,” you’d think that he wouldn’t have picked a woman who looks like she’s in her 20s. She doesn’t look “underage” at all.

          • Amused

            “play this card”?
            Dude if I wanted to call you a fag, I’d have just come out and done it. I’m not trolling, in fact I’m enjoying our debate.

            But yeah it’s looks like bullshit, and it smells like it too.

          • Alex Dương

            I stand by what I said: if you’re gonna call another guy ugly, then don’t try to back off with a version of “u gay.”

            It could be fake, but your arguments aren’t that convincing. You basically overgeneralized from a stereotype where it pretty obviously doesn’t apply.

          • Amused

            Alex, when have I EVER made a comment that made you think the best I could muster was “u gay”. I mean yeah, if you look at it sideways it COULD mean that, but if I had wanted it to mean that the sentence would have ended “…greater experts like yourself.”.

            And yes, I may have been having a little fun with you and Kai to the side of the argument, but this still reads about as true as Peter Pan.

          • Alex Dương

            As another example, here at chinaSMACK, I’ve encountered a few outright racist expats. Does that mean all expats in China are racist assholes? No. You can’t look at the bad only and generalize like that.

          • John

            Stop being such a butthurt social justice warrior. You dork.

          • hess

            ” Ukraine’s actually a relatively poor country.” Relatively? Compared to what? Somalia? Its poor as shit

          • Alex Dương

            So then if @disqus_wcDnEMiQ1s:disqus has no problems believing that average-looking mainland Chinese guys can be married to pretty damn good looking African women, then he shouldn’t feel that this article is unbelievable.

          • hess

            True, and I agree with you. If fugly old white men can get a mail order ukrainan bride why cant a chinese guy? Not saying that she is a mail order bride though..

          • Germandude

            Considering the pics posted off her… nah, I don’t. Classy woman, lucky guy…

          • ClausRasmussen

            >> Compared to what?

            Compared to China for example. Ukraine have a GDP per capita at $8,651 which is less than China (!) at $11,868 . Ukraine is on the level of many developing countries in Africa

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

          • Mihel

            I don’t claim I have visited all of the developing African countries in the map, but Ukraine surely isn’t anywhere below Morocco/Tunisia/Libya/Egypt/Turkey’s average living conditions.

          • hess

            Hence i called it ‘poor as shit’

          • Titterling Langs

            Ukraine may be poor, but to an average Chinese ( or any Asian) person, a Ukrainian and an ( white) American is the same nationality: they are both gweilos and thus, are very rich and beautiful. A Ukrainian to a Chinese is a Hollywood star. They can’t tell one laowai from another.

          • Titterling Langs

            Most of Ukrainian economy is under the table and unreported. Same as in the Philippines. So don’t go by those official figures. And don’t go by dollars. Everything there is in local currency and way cheaper.

          • Tommy Hass

            ” wow-level racism”

            Fuck off.

          • Amused

            I’d ask you to blow me, but your mom beat you to it and there’s only room for one at the time :)

        • mr.wiener

          In the land of Cindy Crawfords, the one legged prolapsed donkey zombie HIV faced nazi work camp director is king.
          Cut the kid some slack, in the west we consider Lucy Liu to be haaaawt.

          • Amused

            She’s not hot, she’s “you’d hit it”.

          • mr.wiener

            Yep, but by Chinese beauty standards she is: ” I’d have to be wearing serious mao tai goggles”.
            Edit: I would hit it.

          • Amused

            Oh God man, she’d be fugly as hell here.

          • mr.wiener

            We have reached an accord.
            *bro fist*

    • sk8erry

      I’ve been following his story for a while…. search “汽车之家 乌克兰” and found several of his posts. A lot of photos and detailed description.

  • jixiang

    To be fair, Russian and Ukrainian girls are often beautiful, but a lot of them age fast.

    • mr.wiener

      Too much bread, potatos and childbirth… they turn into tractors.
      …Of course the other steriotype is the slim feme fatale who drinks like a sailor ,has a husky voice and is doomed to die of consumption.

      • Alex _

        Oh shut up. The eastern European women ARE the most beautiful on the planet, and you can’t deny that. Also, they don’t only eat ”bread and potatoes”. Stop being an ignorant cretin.

        • mr.wiener

          Can you offer any evidence beyond “you can’t deny it”, otherwise I am doomed to my cretinism.

          • Alex _

            That is just a fact… and your f*** ignorance is astonishing. Women of eastern Europe do not eat damn potatoes and bread all the time, just like Chinese women do not eat dogs all the time.

          • mr.wiener

            You did read me posting “too much”, rather than what you thought I posted… which seems to be “only” or “all the time” correct?
            Calm down Alex, you’ll pop a blood vessel.

          • Alex _

            Stop being a smart ass, racist prick…

          • Alex Dương

            Relax.

          • Alex _

            Ok.

          • mr.wiener

            When you stop with the anger, then maybe we could have a productive discussion about the average diet in Eastern Europe and the Ukraine.

          • Alex _

            The average diet in eastern Europe is not just breed and potatoes, stop being a tard.

          • mr.wiener

            “Too much”.. Do you even read?

            Originally this was meant to be a light hearted comment as I was talking about steriotypes.. You seem to be taking this very personally, so I apologise if I hurt your feelings. the diet in Eastern Europe has changed over the last 20 years as the lifting of the iron curtain has allowed many new influences in as we as creating a greater abundance of produce. But if you examine trading cuisine you will (probably) agree that the types of food are both hearty and rich in starch as befits an area with very cold winters.

          • Alex _

            Nevemind, I am sorry for being a jackass.

          • mr.wiener

            Unexpected, but welcome.

          • Vance

            Wiener with comments so obnoxious that they still piss people off a year after they were made!

          • mr.wiener

            It’s a gift.

          • Alex Dương

            It’s not a fact. You like Eastern European women. Many others do too. Some don’t. Looks are subjective.

    • Mihel

      I think most east european women would age better than westerns ones if they hadn’t started working at 14 and having children at 18.

      (grammar in this sentence sucks?)

    • Zappa Frank

      they turn in ‘babushkas’ due to hard life.

  • Mihel

    Look at that white bitch stealing precious chinese genes!

    • frimurer

      lol

  • Mihel

    Thought over there in ex-Soviet Eastern Europe women will marry anyone who has more money than them.

    They will marry anyone who has more money than them because literally anyone has more money than them…

  • shlomo shekelstein

    ‘One way to judge whether a man’s ability [worth] is to see whether or not you can marry a foreign woman (European or American). Middle Eastern, African, Southeast Asian don’t count.’

    – Really? Why do these people think they’re so above other Asians? Bet a Persian, Arab or Thai lady wouldn’t even look at Chinese guys like him.

    • Let me just say that “American” is not the same as “European”.
      However, I do agree that the Chinese would say very different things had her features been different. That is the sad truth… It’s not that different from Europeans’ views. In many ways, Europe and China are more similar than the US.

      • Zappa Frank

        in which way? I sincerely don’t think so if you talk about the view of someone’s wife features.

      • Guest

        Andy, I checked your little blog. You seem like a huge twat, who thinks his vision of the world is perfect and everyone else’s is so obviously wrong. You visit a country, you think everybody there is wrong. You come back to home to New York, everybody in your little circle is so right. The thing China and Europe share (they don’t share a lot) is that they’re not New York (and especially not your little circle of friends). New York is sexist in many different ways, but you don’t care about those things. You don’t even notice them.

  • Nilerafter24

    “”One way to judge whether a man’s ability [worth] is to see whether or not you can marry a foreign woman (European or American). Middle Eastern, African, Southeast Asian don’t count.”””

    I really feel sorry for all the men in the world that exclude women of different races because of a falsely perceived sense of superiority.
    I’ve seen hot girls from EVERYWHERE. I see them everyday, everywhere I go. From tall to short, skinny to chubby, ghostly white to ebony dark.
    I’m actually proud of my all encompassing taste and accommodating standards in women. I don’t think I’ll ever be lonely :-D

    • Mihel

      On the internet they can pretend they have some very high copulating standards.

    • KamikaziPilot

      That comment could have been sarcasm, I’m not sure. But I will say that thought is pretty prevalent among Chinese IMO.

      • mistertibbs4u

        The way the Chinese was worded, I’m sure that was his real opinion.

  • jeupsy

    I am still wondering if this is joke …

    Seriously … a hot Ukrainian girl only wearing underwear and exposing her large breast while cooking dumplings for her Chinese husband (described as a loser in the article), and letting him post the picture all over the internet. Does this really happen in real life??? :-)

    • sk8erry

      I’ve been following this story for a while, and I’m sure this is 100% real….the original post is from 汽车之家, he kept posting his life in Ukraine for like 2 years, its a very old post. When the Ukraine war took place he stared updating again.

      • jeupsy

        Thanks for the extra information … this story really is strange!

    • sk8erry

      He describes himself as an “educated loser”, but as I know, he works for a civil engineering company as a design engineer.

      • Zappa Frank

        than the story on this article is false, he didn’t get any degree as engineer.

        • sk8erry

          I’m not sure. I think in the original post he said he was uneducated before he went to an art school in Ukraine, and studied really hard after he met his first girlfriend there.

          • Zappa Frank

            this article says he barely studied, skipped classes and paly ping pong.. anyway, how is possible studying in an art school and get an engineer’s degree?

          • sk8erry

            Well that’s not true, because he said in the post he studied hard.
            I don’t know if he has a engineer’s degree or not, he does design for a civil company though.
            Chinese media like to exaggerate thing so they can have a title of ‘Uneducated loser goes to Ukraine and got chick’, which is not true. According to his post he really worked hard and overcame a lot of difficulties.

    • sk8erry
      • Honibaz

        Thanks for this. One of the things he said in the post that I completely agree with is that Chinese people need to hang out with the locals more when they’re staying in a foreign country. If you’re always around other Chinese people, you’ve wasted the opportunity to appreciate a foreign culture.

        • vincent_t

          not just Chinese people, but korean, Japanese, French and some other nationals too that tend to form their own group when they stay abroad.

          • Honibaz

            I agree, but I get the feeling that it’s less pervasive for other groups. The South Asians at my university for example, can chat up with pretty much ANYONE. The same goes for Chinese people raised in the West. However, I rarely witness the same situation for most study-abroad Chinese.

          • A Touch of Sin

            It’s called an expat bubble. Pretty much every nationality does it, but Koreans and Chinese are the most guilty.

        • FYIADragoon

          Not just Chinese. Applies to all foreigners. When I studied abroad, I remember the most surprising fact was that I was the only person in a program of 100+ American students to make and regularly hang out with actual Chinese friends. A wasted semester(s) for the rest of the students.

          Trust me, the Chinese aren’t the only ones with a monopoly on staying in their group.

    • ClausRasmussen

      >> wearing underwear and exposing her large breast while cooking dumplings

      The guy is not without humor, he must have been laughing for a week after posting that pic on the Chinese internet

    • Rick in China

      I don’t think you understand Ukraine. Ukraine is a popular destination for men to go to find wives – Ukrainian male:female ratio often lands very pretty women in very rough positions of simply not being able to find a mate. This woman found some dude who obviously fawns over her immensely – he’s a safety catch. He wont be going anywhere else, ever, since he has no better option..and likely never will. For this woman – this dude is a catch, he wont just buy a new bride when she ‘expires’ like so many dirty old ‘murricans seem to do with Ukrainian wives/girlfriends….I saw some documentaries on the subject, it’s kinda sad for these often very pretty/smart women.

      • jeupsy

        Sure I am not claiming I understand Ukraine. I understand the rational behind their relationship from each side though … It is just some of these picture look funny to me.

        • Rick in China

          Funny or a little sad perhaps – he met her when she’s 16? Seems a little exploitive to say the least – grab up a young girl knowing how naive she may be, take as many fleshy photos as possible with you in ’em to show back home where you know her ‘value’ in the marketplace and how that may boost yer otherwise nonexistent ego. But who am I to say. Good on ’em, they’re both adults now, regardless of how 外 (chuanhua, OK!) their backgrounds may be. :D

          • unconventionalthinker

            Exploitative…??? sounds like feminist nonsense.

            Under feminism nonsense ideology , if the men is much richer or much older than the female then feminists will immediately classify that as exploitation.

            These feminists are really ridiculous………………….

          • Rick in China

            No – and I don’t think this man qualifies as rich by any standard of the word. Older – perhaps. That’s insufficient, however, to identify this particular relationship as ‘exploitative’. The reason I classify it as such is the grandstanding/entire ridiculous show he has made of the relationship because he knows how well it will sell in the China mainland envy market of “oh my god he escaped and got a white girl”, so when he saw the opportunity, jumped undoubtedly full force convincing the naive little girl about how much he loved her, lets take a bunch of sexy photos and contact China media! Yay!

          • Alex _

            No, its not exploitative at all. She was 18, not 16, and was fully capable of making her own decisions.

      • Guang Xiang

        Rick has the right of it. It is quite popular nowadays in Shanghai for Chinese men to ‘take them in’, especially with the Ukrainian crisis going on.

        I’m more concerned with the people on this board insisting this pairing shouldn’t be possible.

        • Rick in China

          To be fair, I think it’s more about the photos and the seemingly exploitative nature of their relationship, rather than questioning the reality of having a pretty woman and a Chinese man having a relationship in of itself.

          • unconventionalthinker

            Exploitative…??? sounds like feminist nonsense.

            Under feminism nonsense ideology , if the men is much richer or much older than the female then feminists will immediately classify that as exploitation.

            These feminists are really ridiculous.

      • Rick,
        haha – When i hear this, I always think of Billy Joel….
        If Billy Joel can get sick of Christie Brinkley!!!, well then….

        On a side note, they have a daughter and she looks like Billy – Unlucky Kid!

    • bujiebuke

      It is a fact that the best dumplings are made while in your underwear. I know whenever I’m making them my family screams out of delight and shed tears of joy.

      • Do you look that good in your underwear?
        (Can’t tell from your avatar – haha)

        • bujiebuke

          No… hahaha

    • Dr Sun

      dude guys from all over the world post pictures by the thousands of they’re wives, their gf’s, naked, spread pussy, with all sorts of vegatables stuffed into them on “amateur porn sites” each and every day, this in comparison is pretty damn lame.
      So i’m told

  • Xman2014

    I thought she was like 28 or something. Turns out she’s 18, barely a child herself. The more she gets older, the more the gap there will be, between the real age and the age she looks. Trust me, Russians/Ukuranies, just do not age well. The savings grace for the girl is though, the guy is ugly, so it won’t be as bad for her when she looks like his mother in about 20 years.

    • Amused

      She’ll probably be more wrinkled up than his mom in twenty bro…

      • Guest

        Are you serious ? Chinese women look like master yoda when they hit 30.

      • bababibel

        Are you serious ? Chinese women look like master yoda when they turn 30.

        • Dr Sun

          welcome troll, btw my 40 Chinese wife looks younger than your your 25 white wife, sucks for you

          • Probotector

            We get it, you hate white people, shut up already.

          • mr.wiener

            I think you meant “To be you, sucks it does”.

          • mistertibbs4u

            If we didn’t see it, it didn’t happen.

    • JankyFosci

      Yeah I feel terrible for him. /s

  • Dr Sun

    If its a true true story, then its Awesome , good luck and every happiness to them.

  • Marry in haste, Repent in Leisure

    • CCCP

      It’s there all right, it’s just that in Eastern Europe the marriage ring is worn on the right hand.

  • Guest

    Of course the comment section is full of jealous white men’s comments, seriously get over it.The most ridiculous are people trying to imply that that chick is ugly or looks old hahahha

  • JankyFosci

    lol @ all the jealous comments. Yeah I’m pretty sure he cares about how she’s going to age.

    • bababibel

      I know right ?? It’s funny to read all these comments comming from jealous white men…They sound so bitter it’s crazy.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Jealous white men? Are you turning the situation around? I wish more Chinese men dating foreign girls so that people would stop fixating on foreign guys dating Chinese chicks. May i remind you that many Chinese girls dating foreign are automatically classified as whores and sometimes insulted in the street? I actually only witness insults twice when i was with a particularly hot chick. The first time from a bunch of low lives and even though my Chinese isn’t too bad i didn’t get what they said exactly but i knew from the context and my own understanding of local patheticness that it had something do with the girl i was with and who also refused to tell me what they said because she knew i would have definitely picked a fight with those chicken men. The second time was just 30 min after the first time when courageous fighters of the foreign invaders insulted us from their car as the lights was turning green and driving away.
        Anyway i’m sure there can be people in Europe that can be against local girl dating foreign men, “we” usually call them dickheads. In my own case, i’m just too busy doing my own thing and living my life to start caring about foreigners dating white chicks. The hurtful truth which, in my opinion, ignites bitterness and frustration regarding this specific topic is that the attraction only goes one way and i’m afraid that foreigners men nor Chinese girls are to blame.

        • Alex Dương

          The hurtful truth which, in my opinion, ignites bitterness and frustration regarding this specific topic is that the attraction only goes one way and i’m afraid that foreigners men nor Chinese girls are to blame.

          I think it’s much simpler than that: the “one way” that you see is nothing more than an example of hypergamy in action. A “relatively poor” foreigner back home almost surely still comes from a wealthier background than an average local in China. Let’s take your country for example. Even if someone is quite a bit “below average” in France in terms of his income being less than the PPP-adjusted GDP per capita, he’s still way, way, way above average in China.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I know where you’re going with this but from my experience those “relatively poor foreigners back home” are more likely to be dating educated and/or wealthy Chinese women rather than poor uneducated girls and that is hurtful indeed because its shows that even girls who have a good education, who live in the modern and international world, who have a good job are (or can be) more interested in “relatively poor” foreign men.What does that tell you about Chinese men? If you ask them the honest truth, they will probably (not tell you) tell you that it’s because foreign men are more easy going, educated, less chauvinistic and macho than Chinese men and that it’s not about the money.Just last Saturday i was having a drink with two gorgeous (and educated) Chinese salsa dancers. One of them just broke up with her Belgium boyfriend. However she finally mentioned to me something i heard many times before: Despite breaking up with a foreign guy, ” i’m never going back to dating Chinese guys again”.

          • x1sfg

            You are so macho. Forever bulk brah

          • Zappa Frank

            how old was she, because sincerely I’ve noticed so many Chinese girls so much into foreigners only around 30s, when they are almost expired for Chinese males.. Obviously at that point the better play with their cards is to look for a foreigner.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            She is indeed close to 30. However i think you are being harsh saying she is expired for Chinese males. You describe this behaviour as being completely strategic but i’m not sure that’s the case

          • Zappa Frank

            I cannot judge her since I don’t know her, of course may not be the case, and probably is not the case for many. But I’m sure that is something that exists, consciously or not. I don’t find anything wrong in that because at the end is a win-win, but I wouldn’t say it is because Chinese males are so worthless.. the idea that Chinese males are nationalist, insecure and so on may be true in many cases, but is as true as to say that Chinese females are spoiled, with princess syndrome, gold digger and so on..
            In my opinion is that simply she didn’t find anyone she likes or that likes her and ath the same time match her requirements (that doesn’t mean that kind of men don’t exist in china), while in another country she would look for a future with many cats here in China (only in a first tier city) she has also “another market” where she ‘sells’ better. Else is like an expat that talk bad about the women in his country that are so bad to him, rude and can find just the ugliest… and than is so glad to be in china where finally the girls appreciate him..

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            The way i wrote my comments may have sounded like i think “Chinese males are so worthless” but it’s not actually what i think at all.
            I also agree that there are spoiled gold diggers with princess syndrome however those girls are in a specific category and i believe those girls usually despise foreigners don’t they?
            I also do agree with you saying that some foreign men feel more appreciated by girls in China but i’m not sure what you are getting at.

            Anyway i think this topic is so vast with personal experiences that everybody is sharing their thoughts and it seems we are going nowhere :D

          • Rick in China

            I don’t know that it has anything to do with being strategic, however, the “expired” comment – it’s absolutely true. It’s tragic, and I certainly don’t consider a 30 year old woman expired by any sense of the word, but true for many Chinese mindsets, and lots of articles/etc seem to point that out very clearly.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Yup, majority of Chinese girls that like foreigners are washed up and used up by Chinese men.

            “Foreign Babes in Beijing” talks about how all the hottest female Chinese models want nothing to do with foreign men, at all.

          • Zappa Frank

            those models aren’t exactly the example of educated and open minded Chinese women that we were talking about. Of course gold diggers look for a rich Chinese first and only secondly for a foreigner.

          • Alex Dương

            Here’s the thing: it isn’t as if there are no women of Asian descent in many Western countries. To the contrary, some – like the U.S. and Canada – have many, and even in your case, France has enough Asians to make up ~1.5% of its population. Certainly much less than compared to Canada, but not completely miniscule either.

            If your claim is that foreign men are “more easy going, educated, less chauvinistic and macho than Chinese men and that it’s not about the money,” then why leave home to find Asian women? If it isn’t about the money, you can use your charm to find Asian women in France or other parts of Europe, no?

            Also, if you want to play with stereotypes, at least in the U.S., black men are stereotyped as sexually virile. But we don’t see many white North American / European women go to African countries to find husbands, do we?

            I can explain that with hypergamy; you can’t explain that with stereotypes.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            “why leave home to find Asian women ?” That sounds completely absurd. I can’t be bother speaking for other people so I’ll just say that in my case, I came to China out of genuine interest for this place.

            “more easy going, educated, less chauvinistic and macho than Chinese men and that it’s not about the money,” I was referring to the foreigners living in China and it wasn’t a claim. I was just imagining what Chinese women would think as a good reason for dating a foreign guy. It was to counter your statement that everything is about hypergamy (money) and how a Chinese girl marrying herself into a better situation is the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation for them being with foreigners. It seems that you are just looking for a reason ignore the fact that 2 people from different origins can simply be together because they like each other and that smells like jealousy to me.

            Why would white women go to Africa to find a husband? Personal interests perhaps? If it might help you i actually know a few attractive French (white) girls who like Chinese men…does that make you feel better?

          • Alex Dương

            It seems that you are just looking for a reason ignore the fact that 2 people from different origins can simply be together because they like each other and that smells like jealousy to me.

            You do realize that you’re backtracking from what you said originally, right? Now you’re just saying “2 people from different origins…like each other” and that’s that. Had you simply said that to begin with, I would not have replied to you. Instead, you said this:

            The hurtful truth which, in my opinion, ignites bitterness and frustration regarding this specific topic is that the attraction only goes one way and i’m afraid that foreigners men nor Chinese girls are to blame.

            “Attraction only goes one way” and “2 people like each other” aren’t equivalent statements.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Sorry i meant the attraction goes one way as in: Chinese girls like foreign men but foreign girls don’t (often) like Chinese men. The two people being of different origin and liking each other being the foreign man and the Chinese girl. My English indeed has some flaws and i need to improve a bit.

          • Alex Dương

            No, I understood that was what you meant. Your explanation for the “pattern” you observe is basically, foreign men are charming and suave whereas Chinese men aren’t; hence, Chinese women like foreign men, and foreign women don’t like Chinese men.

            I think it’s a bit simpler than that: women prefer to marry “up,” not “down”; that’s hypergamy. Now, this offends you and you claim I say this out of jealousy and that I refuse to acknowledge the possibility that two people can just like each other.

            I don’t refuse to acknowledge that. But that isn’t what you said originally; you only said that in response after I suggested that hypergamy explains the “pattern” you observe.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            “Women prefer to marry up not down” okay, i can understand that.
            However how would you explain that a Chinese women wealthier than a foreign man can marry him then?
            Why would a Chinese girl look at a Chinese male who is proudly saying “hey, i work for the government!” with a look of “i don’t give a crap you ugly bastard”
            Also why would Chinese girls studying a foreign language be more interested in foreign guys? I think the answer to those 3 questions is education. I would think that an educated independent girl’s objectives in life are not simply finding a richer man…but you know..i’m just saying.

          • Kai

            However how would you explain that a Chinese women wealthier than a foreign man can marry him then?

            I think such cases are actually rarer than Chinese guys with white girls. However, a common consideration is that a foreign man can be a trophy to a wealthy Chinese woman. She may see it as increasing her “status”. We shouldn’t say that’s definitely the case, but the phenomenon is neither unheard of or rare. If men can use their partners as status symbols, so can women.

            Why would a Chinese girl look at a Chinese male who is proudly saying “hey, i work for the government!” with a look of “i don’t give a crap you ugly bastard”

            Education isn’t necessary for a girl to dislike cocky men or consider a man’s career to only be one of many factors in determining suitability and attractiveness.

            Also why would Chinese girls studying a foreign language be more interested in foreign guys?

            I don’t understand the inflection in this question. Maybe she’s interested in foreign guys like she’s interested in a foreign language like she’s interested in the foreign?

            Moreover, simply being interested in the foreign doesn’t necessarily mean one categorically is uninterested and dislikes the non-foreign. That’s a mistake a lot of insecure Chinese men make as well. If a white person is interested in an Asian person, does that automatically mean they aren’t just as liable to be interested in a white person? Does it mean there must be some shortcoming about white people that must explain their interest in Asian people?

            I would think that an educated independent girl’s objectives in life are not simply finding a richer man…

            There are a lot of educated and independent Chinese girls who are happily with Chinese guys and not foreign guys. In fact, way more than those who are with foreign guys. This argument seems to suggest “smart” Chinese girls go for foreign guys while the “dumb” ones don’t. That’s incredibly insulting, don’t you think?

            Also, being educated and independent doesn’t preclude one from wanting to climb social ladders. In fact, there’s a good argument that there’s a strong correlation between the two, that many seek education to climb such ladders and many who climb such ladders are independent types who don’t care what others think about their climbing because all that matters to them is their own self-interest.

          • Rick in China

            Chinese women wealthier than a foreign man

            I don’t know that it’s THAT rare. My wife was more financially wealthy than me – even though I have ‘the necessary fixed assets’ and was getting paid a US IT salary in China which means lots of disposable income — she had a LOT more. I think that it is only in cases where one is much poorer off than the other in terms of ending up in an entire different socioeconomic class and one has to rely heavily upon the other in any sense that it is an issue..but when both are doing pretty good, either one being richer than the other doesn’t matter as much. Re: status symbols, neither of us spend much time outside of our family – and don’t give a shit what other people think/say, core group of friends is sufficient, so it’s not that, for either of us…but I agree with the point – it absolutely can be the case, and ‘fupo’ definitely want their trophies.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I do agree with most of what you said which makes think that we are not understanding each other properly. Also, i didn’t mean to suggest that smart Chinese girls don’t also go for Chinese guys. I know some Chinese men who are perfectly cool and good looking too. My point is that relationship have everything to do with the 2 people concerned and should have nothing to do with frustrated onlookers who find excuses for themselves being unsuccessful. What bothers me is when Chinese men express their frustration by going further than just having an opinion: like staring at a girl with a foreign guy like she’s a whore, out-loud comments meant to be heard, justifying a relationship between a Chinese girl and foreign guy by saying it’s all about the money or a girl wanting to look so proud etc. By the way, I’ve often heard Chinese people saying that they think Chinese girls with a foreign boyfriend looks so proud and tend to look down on other Chinese. I personally think that this appearance of “arrogance” has nothing to do with pride or looking down on Chinese people but has everything to do with her being sick of rude judgmental motherfuckers staring in her face. I was walking along discussing this topic with a Beijing girl a few years ago and made a little experiment. The girl is pretty, but not an absolute babe that would stand out in the crowd. I was joking with her saying that the only reason Chinese people were staring at her was not because she was pretty but because she was walking with a foreigner so i decided to let her walk along before me as if we didn’t know each other…and of course you know the answer…no more stares.

          • Kai

            I do agree with most of what you said which makes think that we are not understanding each other properly. Also, i didn’t mean to suggest that smart Chinese girls don’t also go for Chinese guys.

            Cool, I’m glad we seem to agree on many things and can clear up any misunderstandings.

            I agree with your complaints about how rude and insulting some men are when it comes to “foreign” men with “their” women. I agree that what they think, say, or even “see” is really just a product of their own insecurities.

            I just want to be cautious about the conclusions we make or suggest based on the prevalence of WM/AF vs. AM/WF relationships, because sometimes we just end up doing something very similar to what those insecure Chinese guys do: make unfair generalizations that are fundamentally insulting.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            You are right. Sometimes generalizations can be an easier way to express ones opinion without going into too much detail but it can easily be misinterpreted if you are not extra careful. Also it’s true that it’s quite tempting to make unfair generalizations when you feel you are the subject of unfair generalizations yourself. I try not to go down that way but I’ve studied Chinese for 9 years and i must admit the nonsense i sometimes hear makes it tempting to retaliate by being unfair myself.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Black men and white women have that same “look,” lol. If your average white woman doesn’t want you, why would your average Chinese woman? Fucking delusional idiot.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I don’t understand what you’re fuckin’ on about sir but you sure sound like a prick

          • mistertibbs4u

            Did you not understand previous posts?

            White supremacy. It’s self-expressed in almost every area of life outside of China and of course a Chinese woman has the ability to connect a “so-called” dominance perpetuated by the media with the skin color of a local drinker in a bar.

            In the end, it’s the business of whichever two people are together.

            But let’s not pretend we don’t know what’s at play here.

            I’ve seen African-Americans dressed in business suits with years of experience and MBAs in China turned down from positions and watched those positions filled with ratty-haired professional beer drinkers. Wish it wasn’t true, but it’s happened plenty of times.

            So, not that hard to assume the same situation can’t be played out within a dating scenario.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            White supremacy? African-Americans dressed in business suits? I don’t think we’re talking about the same topic sir.

          • mistertibbs4u

            I think we are.

          • Titterling Langs

            Marrying up is not always for money. Some may find them attractive because of culture, his language, his style, his looks. His intelligence, etc.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            99.9% of Chinese women don’t like foreigners. I’m a foreigner myself and you’re delusional dating insane low quality bargirls, while white women don’t want anything to do with you, lol.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            really? I beg to differ on that one

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Listen man, maybe it’s a difference in aesthetic standards but jesus christ some of the girls you got tagging along… catfish.

            If the average white women wants nothing to do with you, why would an Asian woman?

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            whoa dude, keep your racial profiling to yourself. if you’ve got some racial purity obsession thing going on you should probably keep it to yourself

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            I absolutely agree that most Chinese women don’t like foreigners (though 99.9% might be a little exagerated). However your response to me makes me think you completely misunderstood my meaning.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Lots of women go to Africa to find black men. Lots.

          • Alex Dương

            Do you have an article or a video illustrating this?

          • JohnnyMangoes

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism

            Just go on youtube and search for female sex tourism to Jamaica / Ghana, etc.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Yeah yeah, yabon banania man. Get the fuck out of here if you’re just going to make your stupid butthurt comments. You’re completely reinterpreting people’s comments based on you’re own feeling of injustice. Nobody said there weren’t lots (Lots!) of women going to Africa to find black men

          • Tina

            lol, no there aren’t. ha ha ha

          • mistertibbs4u

            White North American women are notoriously known for “quietly” sneaking off to Jamaica for a weekend of pole-slinging… the average American worth their weight in race-sex relations at least knows that much.

            And why would a white North American woman leave the country when she has a full range of options of African-American men in the United States.

            As an African-American man, I’ve NEVER chased women in the United States. I was ALWAYS approached by Latina, Filipina, white and Asian girls…. ALL the time.

            Girls always approach me in China as well. This is not a dreamland, this is reality.

            And in reality, maybe you can explain my situation with stereotypes. I’m not sure why you would elude to U.S. black men and assume a white woman would need to travel half way around the world to explain that point though.

          • Alex Dương

            White North American women are notoriously known for “quietly” sneaking off to Jamaica for a weekend of pole-slinging… the average
            American worth their weight in race-sex relations at least knows that
            much.

            I wasn’t talking about female sex tourism. I was basically asking why mail-order husbands aren’t a thing, at least not to anywhere near the extent that mail-order brides are.

            And why would a white North American woman leave the country when she
            has a full range of options of African-American men in the United
            States.

            You missed what I said to Gordon: “If your claim is that foreign men are “more easy going, educated, less chauvinistic and macho than Chinese men and that it’s not about the
            money,” then why leave home to find Asian women? If it isn’t about the money, you can use your charm to find Asian women in France or other parts of Europe, no?”

          • mistertibbs4u

            You missed what I said to Gordon: “If your claim is that foreign men are “more easy going, educated, less chauvinistic and macho than Chinese men and that it’s not about the
            money,” then why leave home to find Asian women? If it isn’t about the money, you can use your charm to find Asian women in France or other parts of Europe, no?”

            Actually, it’s all about confidence. There are those of us who have no problem with Asian or white women back home (at all), and there are those of us who do have a problem.

            I don’t think it’s those that have a problem are “leaving home” to find Asian women. In fact, I think the whole idea of “foreign men coming to Asia to find women” thing to be a farce… I thin the idea is they are traveling and come to the realization that it seems to be easier here.

            Those guys, even white guys who have a problem getting Asian or white women back home, come to China and realize it’s easier, thereby forming this particular idea.

            I doubt very seriously that he’s speculating about this while in his home country. So the two parts of your point are very much formulated at several different phases: first leaving home, then obviously finding someone, assuming it’s easier to get women in China (he wouldn’t know that, because he’s never been with an Asian woman back home, presumably), wondering why this is so (after some candid opinions by said partner or partners), assessing the behavior of the so-called “Chinese man” and then expressing his opinion to us.

            That’s the clearest thing for me to see. This questioning can’t really be answered because it’s mostly not a conscious decision to come to China directly for women. It’s for a new opportunity and the dating issue naturally arises.

            So in actuality, I don’t think he can answer your question.

          • Alex Dương

            I don’t think it’s those that have a problem are “leaving home” to find Asian women. In fact, I think the whole idea of “foreign men coming
            to Asia to find women” thing to be a farce… I thin the idea is they are traveling and come to the realization that it seems to be easier
            here.

            I agree. I think Gordon believes that it “seems to be easier” because foreign men are just better all around in terms of values and behavior. I think it “seems to be easier” (partly) because many of these foreigners are coming from much wealthier countries, and even a relatively poor person in France, for example, would be quite a bit above average in China, and “the pattern” he sees is simply hypergamy in action. You think white supremacy plays a role.

            Of course two people can just like each other, period. My issue was that Gordon only resorted to this after I responded to his initial claim that the “pattern” is explained by foreign men’s values and behavior.

          • Tina

            They would have to be very desperate.

          • mistertibbs4u

            Or open to new (and possibly better) opportunities.

          • Titterling Langs

            There are “many” Asian women in the West true, but stll a small % and is very much in demand. They get flooded with BF offers and most are taken. Plus there is a general young woman vs young men imbalance- more of the latter. Thus, a woman can always find a BF while its hard for a man to find a GF.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            LOL look in your own backyard dude, white women fucking love black dick.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            euh….ok….where did you see me say the contrary?

          • OdinNG

            As a Chinese guy. I would say Chinese girl are far more harder to go with than western girls. It is really not about money. It’s about the dating skill.

        • Probotector

          But still, like you said, when you’re laughing at you, they don’t mean any harm.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            But that’s not the case at all….I was not describing people naively and harmlessly laughing at me. I was talking about people insulting that girl or me with a raised voice. Surely you can make the difference between nerdy Chinese students laughing like 10 years olds because they said “hello” to a foreigner and scumbags actually disrespecting you or the girl with you just because they think the girl won’t react and that you won’t understand what they are saying? I accept criticism but not bullshit

      • John Smith

        How do you know anonymous commentors on Internet are white kid?

    • NeverMind

      She’s hot, no doubt. I’m not white, live in a rich city in the Middle East (I’m not Ayrab either). Hot Eastern European women like this chic come often to ‘vacation’ here. Asking rate is about 500$ USD per night.

    • JayJay

      In the words of Judge Judy, Beauty fades, but Dumb is forever!!

      • mistertibbs4u

        Anyone quoting a TV show that is only on air during the day when normal people are at work and housewives are busy cleaning… is suspect to me. #pause

        • JayJay

          Doesn’t stop it being true though… BTW, I don’t watch the show… got this quote from a meme on Facebook

          • mistertibbs4u

            Fair enough!

    • your Khan

      they often complain how chinese dudes get jealous over their whatevers, but when the hemispheres shift, the insecurity, passive agressiveness, defensiveness really hits home

  • bababibel

    Of course the comment section is full of jealous white men’s comments,
    seriously get over it.The most ridiculous are people trying to imply
    that that chick is ugly or looks old hahahha

    • Xman2014

      The chick is not ugly. She just looks much older than her real age. But this is a pretty unusual story because most foreign women that mainland Chinese men marry are forcibly kidnapped North Korean and forcibly kidnapped Vietnamese women. But there’s always an exception I guess.

      • bababibel

        Are you implying that chinese men cannot marry white women ?? You’re so delusional.

        • Xman2014

          I didn’t say that. I said most common foreign women that Chinese mainlanders marry are trafficked sold/bought North Korean and Vietnamese women against their wills. Are you suggesting statistically this is not true?

          • Jannick Slavik

            LMAO at the butt-hurt.

            Hahahahahah

          • Eidolon

            When asking for statistics from others it is prudent to first provide your own. As far as I know there are no solid statistics on country-of-origin for Chinese-foreign marriages:

            “Marriages between PRC citizens and foreign nationals comprise the second largest category of Chinese-foreign marriages registered in mainland China between 1979 and 2010. Around 300 foreign nationals registered such a marriage in 1979. That figure rose to a peak of over 26,000 people in 2001 and declined to nearly 23,000 in 2010. There is no reliable information available regarding the countries of origin of these foreign nationals. However, media reports suggest that foreign spouses come from around the globe.”

            http://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/chinapolicyinstitute/2014/02/10/chinese-foreign-marriage-in-mainland-china/

            Further, just because a marriage involves a woman from a poorer country does not indicate said woman was trafficked and forced to marry against her will. Unless you are able to show your stats, you are engaged in libel.

          • Xman2014

            Eidolon, just because there are no rights groups nor PRC government agencies that study the plight of foreign women trafficked into China, doesn’t mean that the problem doesn’t exist. One look at the US state department’s report on women being trafficked into China tells us the story that the vast majority of foreign women serving Chinese men, are trafficked, forced, and intimidated women who are not given any choice.

            US State Department Report on China.

            Women and children from neighboring Asian countries, including Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Mongolia, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), as well as from Africa, and the Americas, are subjected to forced labor and sex trafficking in China. During the year, Malagasy women and girls were recruited to work in domestic service in China; some of these women and girls were subsequently subjected to forced labor. Zimbabwean women also reported conditions indicative of labor trafficking in a hostess bar. North Korean women were
            subjected to forced labor in the agriculture and domestic service sectors. The Chinese government’s birth limitation policy and a cultural preference for sons create a skewed sex ratio of 117 boys to 100 girls in China, which may serve to increase the demand for prostitution and for foreign women as brides for Chinese men—both of which may be procured by force or coercion. Women and girls from Burma, Vietnam, Mongolia, Cambodia, Laos, and North Korea are recruited through marriage brokers and transported to China, where some are subsequently
            subjected to forced prostitution or forced labor.

          • Alex Dương

            just because there are no rights groups nor PRC government agencies
            that study the plight of foreign women trafficked into China, doesn’t
            mean that the problem doesn’t exist.

            Eidolon can speak for himself, but IMO nowhere in his comment did he say that “the problem doesn’t exist.”

          • unconventionalthinker

            usa state department is well known to tell lies and make false allegations and make fake statistics to put countries that the USA government dislike in a bad light

            so the USA state department has zero credibility and hence its pointless to quote from the usa state department

            and also the USA state department definition of sex trafficking keeps expanding and based on the discredited USA state department ,eventually just looking or talking to a girl can even be considered as sex trafficking

          • Eidolon

            “Women and children from neighboring Asian countries, including Burma, Vietnam, Laos, Mongolia, and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK), as well as from Africa, and the Americas, are subjected to forced labor and sex trafficking in China. During the year, Malagasy women and girls were recruited to work in domestic service in China; some of these women and girls were subsequently subjected to forced labor. Zimbabwean women also reported conditions indicative of labor trafficking in a hostess bar. North Korean women were subjected to forced labor in the agriculture and domestic service sectors. The Chinese government’s birth limitation policy and a cultural preference for sons create a skewed sex ratio of 117 boys to 100 girls in China, which may serve to increase the demand for prostitution and for foreign women as brides for Chinese men—both of which may be procured by force or coercion. Women and girls from Burma, Vietnam, Mongolia, Cambodia, Laos, and North Korea are recruited through marriage brokers and transported to China, where some are subsequently subjected to forced prostitution or forced labor.”

            Nothing in the above text supports your statement that the ‘most common foreign women that Chinese mainlanders marry are trafficked sold/bought North Korean and Vietnamese women against their wills.” Is reading English that difficult?

        • Zhegezhege

          I don’t think anyone ever implied that the best males that the PRC has to offer are just about able to pick up white chicks who want to improve their Mandarin.

  • Irvin

    He got ONE beautiful wife to go home to, we had thousands of beauty that’s all available for fucking in dongguan.

    • bababibel

      lol you sound so bitter , and when you say “thousands of beauty” I hope you’re not talking about chinese girls hahah I wouldn’t call them beauty that’s for sure.

      • jin

        Everyone has their own taste in woman, but saying that Chinese girls are not beautiful sounds like…..utter bullshit? maybe cause you can’t get one?

    • Jannick Slavik

      JEALOUS! LMAO

    • JohnnyMangoes

      LMAO black dudes clean up in Europe with your little Aryan princesses. There was a black dude who gave AIDS to 100+ Polish girls.

      • Zappa Frank

        legends… balck dude usually get back deluded in Europe…

        • mistertibbs4u

          Key word… “usually”

          NEXT!

          • Zappa Frank

            It’s an undeniable truth..maybe racist, but true. The fact is that you know nothing about Europe probably.

          • mistertibbs4u

            It’s a good thing you used the word “probably”, because you would have been ripped a new a-hole… sir.

          • Zappa Frank

            usually doesn’t mean always, fact is that most of white girls in Europe don’t like balck guys .. like in china for the matter.

          • mistertibbs4u

            Hogwash. That’s what you would like to believe. However, that’s clearly not the case. If the system of White supremacy were more efficient like about 30 years ago, you’d be correct.

            Unfortunately, it’s not 30 years ago. What is on the rise is the number of white males in China who clearly are not alpha males of any type, who spread misinformation as their last resort of holding some sort of delusional “standing” in the Mainland.

            You seem to forget that a thought process simple enough to believe that “all black men have AIDS” (yes, I’ve heard more than three Chinese girls who’ve told me a white guy told them that… on more than three separate occasions) is also a thought process simple enough to be easily impressed by other… ahem… attributes.

            So Frank Zappa… (yikes)…. that nonsense didn’t work long in the Philippines, it didn’t work long in Korea, it DEFINITELY didn’t work long in Japan and you’re just about out of areas to spread nonsense to.

            Yes, I know… but China’s your last stand… I can sense that in the “like in China” statement you made… that’s the venom of fear… not the venom of confidence.

            Some black guys fall for it… the ones that have inferiority complex issues, but one of those you are not talking to right now. So you may want to mind your pints and quarts.

            I know your “stay” in China has deluded you to having a station in life higher than you’re used to, but please believe me when I say… that blissful stay has just at this moment… been cut short.

            NEXT!

          • Kai

            I think you guys are starting to straw man each other and are missing the valid points you intended to communicate to each other. For example, and as a character witness who has seen @zappa_frank:disqus comment over the yers, he hasn’t given me the impression that he’s one of those foreigners in China who stereotypically allowed the greater attention get to his head. There are those types here on cS, but I don’t think he’s one of them. Maybe you can peruse his history to get a better idea of who he is, and limit your criticisms to those more deserving of them.

            P.S. – Any word on the diaosi article? Cheers.

          • mistertibbs4u

            I’ve been perusing this site for about two years and have been in China for thrice as long. There isn’t a singular level of #pause on this site. There are indeed 50 shades gray.

            It works like a well-oiled machine. First, the offensive knobs come out of the wood works. Everyone turns a blind eye, until a few people start calling them on it. Then the “moderates” start to loosely make fun of them. The few start to retort and are accused of being overreactive by responding to comments that are border-lined racist in the first place.

            Hogwash. The problem is that I’ve been viewing his comments. The only thing that’s improved is the quality of moderators.

            Kudos to you. #thumbsup

            But 50 shades of gray, my friend. 50 shades of gray.

            I will send you a response by email.

          • mistertibbs4u

            And whenever you’re ready to discuss Europe (as if you have the same base of knowledge about Europe as I do) I’m more than ready.

            “I’ve miscalculated the men, Liz!”

            Yes, you sure have.

  • Ken Morgan

    All judging purely by looks! She could be a horrible person in reality!

  • Jannick Slavik

    Lolling at all the butt-hurt folks on here

    It must suck when the story doesn’t fit the narrative you folks cling too eh

  • DC

    why cant everyone’s comments just be “dang she’s hot, good for him”

  • Some of you might’ve already answered this, but why is this news? Aside from the distance traveled for them to meet, isn’t this normal in North America?

    • Mihel

      Not news. Not North America.

  • KamikaziPilot

    “One way to judge whether a man’s ability [worth] is to see whether or not you can marry a foreign woman (European or American). Middle Eastern, African, Southeast Asian don’t count.”

    This Chinese comment I think sums it up. No sure if he was being sarcastic or not but this is typical mentality among Chinese. While I think it’s a good story since he’s found happiness, the comments just reinforces what I see as an inferiority complex among Chinese. They won’t look beyond skin color many times. If this girl had a skin color darker than pasty white the comments would be different.

    • Kai

      The rub of it is that it isn’t just an inferiority complex, but a fairly specific framework about pecking order. Think of all the history and sociological biases that have fed into it.

    • SnapIntoASlimJim

      It’s called “white supremacy” and the effect it has worldwide.

      • mistertibbs4u

        Amen.

  • stevelaudig

    I’m not jealous [the USG has destabilized the Ukraine which now has neo-Nazis in the government, the Ukraine isn’t a ‘destination’ place], merely disbelieving. This has a feel of a photoshopped story. It carries more than a little whiff of hoax. Most stories that are too good to be true, are exactly that. cheers.

    • hess

      I’m pretty sure the Russian backed rebels fucking shit up in eastern Ukraine is what has destabalized the country, but then again I read real news, not Russian propaganda like you.

      • biggj

        So what country’s propaganda do you read?

        • hess

          Swedens, which I’m 100% sure has a far more neutral point of view on the situation in Ukraine than Russia has.

  • Stefan

    OMG! She’s one of the most beautiful white girls I’ve ever seen…

    East Euro girls usually have better bodies and are more thin than your average West Euro because the western fast food craze haven’t been so widespread in there. They also have nice soft facial features. More neotenized than the West Euros.

    I really think white girls can be quite attractive. Sometimes I dream of having a white wife but then my kids won’t look Asian and they would identify themselves with the western culture, which I don’t want. I want my kids to look Asian and be Asian. I’m 45% white and 55% Asian and that’s why I have this dilemma.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Sometimes I wonder if you’re even a real person. Maybe you just create your personality for the internet.

      • Stefan

        Why would you think so?

        I can show you my Facebook if you want.

        • KamikaziPilot

          That’s not what I meant. I know technically you are a real person, after all you do type on the internet. What I mean is that your personality isn’t you in real life, it’s just a personality you create for the internet.

          • Stefan

            Actually all my posts the last year have been with my true opinions and thoughts including the post above.

          • Mihel

            The fun thing about the internet is that you can post someone else’s opinions and pretend they are yours.

      • Mihel

        45% real person 55% internet persona.

    • Zappa Frank

      and where does the 5% comes from? why not 50-50?
      anyway… can you tell me if is normal to think that you want your kids want to be Asians? why? else you wouldn’t love them?

      • Jahar

        That would mean 9/20 ancestors were white, 11/20 were asian. How it’s possible for him to have more than 16 great great grandparents or less than 32 great great great grandparents is beyond me though.

        • ClausRasmussen

          I think I know how he reach that 45-55 split

          One of his parents could be 1/4 white, the other 2/3. Then he would be 46% (~45%) white

          To get a parent that’s 2/3 white, the grandparents on that side should be one 1/2 white and one fully white. Then by that logic 2 out of 3 of that parents ancestors would be white

          However that’s not how we usually compute it, we count genes and get 3/4 white instead of 2/3 for the parent and thus a net result of 1/2 for our commentor

          • hess

            His dad is a finn and his mum an ethnic chinese from malaysia

          • Zappa Frank

            he told us his mother is Chinese while his father is from Finland… I guess he believes people from finland to have a sort of old Asian ancestry (that actually I’ve read is not true) that he extrapolate in that 5%.. at least, this is my theory.

          • ClausRasmussen

            Haha… then he should know that Finns are genetically Scandinavians although their language is Uralnic, so his father is no more Asian than this Dane writing here

          • Rick in China

            Or he just bought a 23andme kit and that’s what it told him. :D

      • Stefan

        From my father, my father is genetically Finnish since he was born and grew up in Sweden to Finnish immigrant parents.

        I’ve done DNA genetics tests from several of the best sources and overall I’m around 55 % Asian and 45% White.

        Finns show very little if any Mediterranean and African genes but on the other hand almost 10% of Finnish genes seem to be shared with Siberian populations. Nevertheless more than 80% of Finnish genes are from a single ancient Northeastern European population, while most Europeans are a mixture of 3 or more principal components. They speak a completely different language than the Indo European languages.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finns#Genetics

        European genetic map

        http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/13/science/figure1a_600.jpg

    • Dan

      Shut it you ugly fool

    • mistertibbs4u

      If I hear another person over use “quite”, I just might shoot myself in the face.

  • Stefan

    I live in Sweden and I’ve had chances getting some Swedish girlfriends because they like me but I’ve never taken the chance.

  • ClausRasmussen

    Let me get this straight: He looks like a dork, flunked Gaokao, went to Ukraine believing it was in Africa, joined art school without being able to draw, wasted time playing ping pong instead of being busy at school, yet he ends up with a beautiful lady, a healthy child, a house, money, and a thriving business

    No wonder the Chinese commenters rage, the Universe is laughing them straight in the face lol

    • JohnnyMangoes

      Maybe he’s a NICE FUCKING GUY. Goddamn racism!!!

      • Heydrich004

        LOL yeah, a nice guy like you right? Hahaha.

        • JohnnyMangoes

          I’m not, but at least I’m not a closet pedophile living out his fantasizes of white domination in a Chinese shithole.

          • Heydrich004

            *fantasies

            And I’ve never lived in China.

    • sk8erry

      If you read his original post on “汽车之家”, you can tell he is actually a insightful and friendly guy.
      Chinese media is really f-ed up. They are exaggerating facts so they can have a title like “loser goes to Ukraine and get chick”, which is not true. He worked hard, for 12 years, he deserves it.

    • niggaplz

      I wouldn’t take Chinese internet story at face value. China is land of fake.

    • baster8

      Holy crap, insecure jealous white boy. First, he looks great, much better than the average white failures who can only succeed in China that you find everyday.

      Second, I see no “Chinese commenters” raging. These white boys like you on chinasmack is though. It is a whole another level of insecurity when you hit on Chinese girls all day and lose your shit when you see a Chinese guy get with a white girl.

    • OdinNG

      Why the “Chinese commenters rage” ? They don not seems angry to me

  • vincent_t

    why not Swedish, Norwegian or Finish girls? Because these countries are richer?

    • Zappa Frank

      because it is a common stereotype that they are beautiful, blonde, tall, but more than anything else, they are easy.

  • Zappa Frank

    I think I’ve read few things in life more stupid than “I find xxx race to be more attractive than yyyy” especially when yyyy is yours.. people are attractive, not races.. to tell the truth I don’t think Chinese girls in general are better than others ..many are worse… and that kind of talk to me seems a symptom of yellow fever.
    Even ‘Ukrainian are mediocre compared to Swedish and finnish… ‘ ah yes, first you say you are not jealous but than you try to put It down. Ukrainian can be better or worse than Swedish, again is up to the person.. else we should say that English are all ugly with terrible teeth since we go by stereotypes…

    • Alex Dương

      else we should say that English are all ugly with terrible teeth since we go by stereotypes…

      You mean the truth…

      http://img.memerial.net/memerial.net/2691/big-book-of-british-smiles.jpg

      …just kidding. I agree with your comment.

      • Zappa Frank

        hahaha I was exactly thinking about that

      • Probotector

        Go fuck yourself

        • Alex Dương

          Did you miss this part? “…just kidding. I agree with your comment.”

    • Mateusz82

      I’ve read plenty of things more stupid. It’s more about generalizations, but certain races do have certain physical traits (which are used to identify said races), and attraction to physical traits is shallow (if the person is only going on physical beauty), but not really the dumbest thing in the world.

      Black people quite typically have darker skin, and if someone finds dark skin attractive, then it would be logical for them to say, “I’m attracted to black people more than white people.”

      It probably is a case of yellow fever, but really, that just means that the physical traits that comes with yellow people are more attractive to the above person than the physical traits that come with other races.

      Again, shallow in that it only is about physical traits, but not all that stupid.

      • Lord_Helmet

        “Black people quite typically have darker skin” genius!!

        • Mateusz82

          Well, I see sarcasm is not wasted on you.

      • mistertibbs4u

        Nevermind the Black people part…

        I’m cringing at the use of “quite typically”

        • Mateusz82

          Because… you are allergic to sarcasm and/or understatement? I would suggest avoiding vacation plans to Britain.

          • mistertibbs4u

            In my best Dr. Evil voice:

            “rriiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhht.”

  • B*tches, Leave

    Looks like a great couple. Reminds me of me and my ex-girlfriend. I’m Asian, she’s Russian. People always stared. Some thought she was a whore, some thought I was rich. All were jealous. We didn’t care.
    Anyways, from all my heart I wish these two and their kid all the best in the world!

  • Xman2014

    Wow, pretty pathetic. Why this is even news? Is it so rare in China (Chinese man with a White girl), that this becomes a hot national topic for everyone to take Chinese pride over the ability of this young man to win over a white girl?

    • Tina

      Builds confidence. Hey asian men don’t have the same level of marketing a the females. Why, I don’t know. I think they would make most women excellent husbands. They are smart, successful, innovative, have contributed significantly to the development of the modern world, can be sexy, good parents. What more could a woman ask for?

  • monster

    this girl is so pretty!
    i wish to be a guy sometimes.
    if i were, i could have a better carrer life, make much more money, sigh!

    • biggj

      Your pussy is pretty much an ATM….used that for money.

      • monster

        you go eat shit!
        i am sure you are from a very bad family, no basic self dignity.

        • biggj

          Well if you feel you cant compete with men when making money and having a good life….. well use something you have to your advantage.

          • monster

            thats why you wife married you?
            i can tell u even now i make much money than most guys in china.
            idiot!

          • biggj

            Well if you make more money than most guys what are you complaining about?

          • monster

            then why need a guy ?
            i wanna be a guy so i can choose girls whomever i like.

          • biggj

            you want a girl or a guy?

          • Jahar

            you just said it was because you wanted more money….

          • vincent_t

            urg..i hate to stereotype but this is so “Chinese”.
            Probably a bit off topic but I have seen far too many cases in discussion or dispute, at the end of it the Chinese would just jump and say ” hey i earn so much or hey i own this and that, so I am far better than so many people including you, loser!”.
            I sense that the concept of “whoever is richer wins” is so deeply rooted in Chinese mind, pathetic.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Because Americans don’t do that… no, Americans don’t care about money at all. Delusional man-child.

          • vincent_t

            Yes, because Americans gain rich by selling baby formula with plastic, selling cooking oil collected from gutter, selling counterfeit LV and Prada. So they are ashamed of themselves and don’t talk about their wealth like the Chinese.

        • B*tches, Leave

          He’s giving you a sound advice (although not in a proper manner), but it’s a good thing you’re not a guy, because with this attitude you’d get your face punched.
          What he is saying is – work on your hygiene, body and mind. Rich hot guys will line up to give you a ring, then you’ll have an easy life …. with options even … either stay with that guy for life or divorce and take half of his life and live your dream. You’re welcome!

          • Alex Dương

            Did we go back in time to 1954?

          • monster

            i guess you punch your wife and mother often because they can not make enough money for you..

        • mr.wiener

          …I feel a stirring in the force… a presence I have not felt in….

          • Lei Feng’s Hat

            Episode VI: Eatot awakens.

          • mr.wiener

            It’s a trap.

  • Claude

    She’s pretty and he needs to go to the gym. Fat skinny.

  • Ana R.

    Go to hell! Slavic girls are the most beautiful in the world! Everybody knows it! The last Miss America is of Russian origin, so that you know.

    • Dr Sun

      guess what, I disagree, so not everyone knows it or agrees, therefore your argument is mute.

  • x1sfg

    Stop putting Scandinavia on some pedestal.

  • Justin

    Typical fuckass Chinese. They believe the “mother tongue” of all countries but Korea, China, and Japan is “Enhgahlish”. They go to completely fucking random places like Thailand and India, to respect the local culture and learn a bit of the language? Yeah… fucking right they do, they go there to learn ENGLISH. Why don’t they just go to the mighty nation of Taiwan or Tibet to learn it? Then they won’t need a passport and all the trouble of a visa.

    Then you have this faggot, goes to Ukraine to learn RUSSIAN. And you know what? No explanation offered. Meanwhile. Stay tuned. Show the fuck up in China and tell them you are there to learn Japanese, and see the load of bullshit comments a mile high they have to say to you.

  • Simon China

    Nice couple ! I don’t like the “parading” of the wife tough. My wife is Chinese and she’s very beautiful woman, and we have been married for 17 years, but I never liked to show around in that way. Just my personal opinion.

    • Tina

      Maybe because it’s now common to have an asian wife. For an asian man, pretty European woman is like dying and going to heaven. Also, European women are the standard at which they judge asian women.

  • Probotector

    “Maybe that’s why he got such a bad score at the gaokao that is an aberration of a test, the state propaganda didn’t work on him.”

    lol

  • Guest

    Sure I am not claiming I understand Ukraine. I understand the rational behind their relationship from each side though … It is just some of these picture which look funny to me :-)

  • JohnnyMangoes

    LMAO White men are free to fuck women of other colors but lo and behold, if a white woman finds a man of color (and god forbid a Chinese guy) to be attractive, it’s the end of the world.

    I don’t even need to walk a couple blocks in any American town to see caramel babies with white mothers.

    • Amused

      And yet STILL no one wants to fuck you. Yeah, we know bro, have another brew and cry in it :)

      • Heydrich004

        He’s one of those mentally ill Asian-Americans who pretends to be the Eurasian offspring of a WM/AF couple. It’s a form of black propaganda they use. It’s like autism is racially imbued into them.

        • Amused

          Hey, with his charming bedside manner, I still stand by my original statement.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            What’s hysterical is that white guys are pissed off that their own countries are getting raped by whatever, multiculturalism, mud sharks, whatever, and then come and take it out on Asia – but they can’t win because they know that the girls they bang are the equivalent of mud sharks and they know for a fact that their kid ain’t gonna be an Aryan baby that they really wanted from a white chick… the same white chicks that shot them down.

          • Alex Dương

            You are aware that the guy you’re replying to has essentially the same mindset as the “wow-level racists” you referenced yesterday, right?

          • Amused

            yup :)

          • Alex Dương

            OK. I ask because you got on my case a bit yesterday by implying that I condoned racism. I don’t. You say you don’t either, but you weren’t calling out “Heydrich004” (a.k.a. “Asian male insecurity”) on his remarks. You only called out “Johnny.”

          • Amused

            I call ’em out when I see ’em man, I’m not the popo and I don’t see everything. But thx for the heads up I guess. And I didn’t imply you condoned it, but I questioned if you defended it by amelioration.

          • Alex Dương

            Sorry, but I do have to press this a bit, especially since by your own admission, you “questioned if I defended” racism. You say “you don’t see everything,” but clearly you saw several of his comments because you upvoted them.

            Is it really in your interest to agree with someone who, for whatever reason, has a bone to pick with Asian Americans if your kids are half-Asian? And if you thought I was defending anti-black racism on the part of Chinese netizens, why wouldn’t you call him out on his anti-black racism?

          • Amused

            Not really sure what was racist in the comment I liked to you bro, but he did have a nice insult on there. Unless that shit about his personal history was true…

            Yeah he does have some other comments that roll right on up there with his counterpart, but I didn’t upvote them. You’re right tho, quite frequently this sight does have that “wow-level”(lol)racism just running about the place. If you’d like I’ll feel free to troll them all :)

        • JohnnyMangoes

          I’m Eurasian, dick. You seem to know my shit. Are you on the MGTOW blogs?

          • Heydrich004

            MGTOW is for losers. Go away, Chang.

      • JohnnyMangoes

        Being a Eurasian in China is literally like being Jesus Christ. Being a Eurasian around white girls is almost better. It’s not even comparable to being white.

        The fact remains that I’m even seeing half black kids born from white moms HERE IN CHINA! It’s like the ghost of your own inadequacy is chasing you around!

        • Amused

          And you still can’t get laid .

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Projection, little prick?

          • Amused

            Would it help if I said I felt sorry for you?

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Lmao for an exotic looking guy to bang a down to earth, quiet nice white girl it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Little dick white boys got his panties in a bunch

          • Amused

            And yet no one will fuck you. Yes we got that, and we feel your frustration.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Gonna fuck my wife now actually now that you mention it. Who are you gonna fuck, you degenerate faggot?

            I know white dudes who have been stabbed, next time I see it I will laugh at them and won’t call the cops lmaooooooo

          • Alex Dương

            Both of you – @joey_knish:disqus @disqus_wcDnEMiQ1s:disqus – relax. This article is about nothing more than a guy going to another country and finding love. That’s it.

          • Amused

            Awwwwww, don’t be so bitter pal, there’s always lotion!

          • Jannick Slavik

            Hahahahah Johhny’s rattled!

            LOLOLOL

  • Heydrich004

    Goddamn. Reading any comment section about Asian/White interracial dating is enough to make one despise overseas Asians. The hypocrisy is downright galling. Listen you manlets: We’re not responsible for your insecurity. Decades-old movies aren’t either. You are. Maybe if you actually bothered to meet some real white people rather than milling about in your ethnic suburban enclaves, you’d have a less cartoonish image of us.

    And lol @ having Kai and Alex as mods: Guess it’s ok for people in the comments section to be laughing about Polish girls infected with AIDS by a black man now – Saying the word “chink” is a big no-no, but straight-up murderous racial hatred is. It’s a shame really, there’s only so many times you can convince yourself that not all Chinese or Korean people are like this before it becomes more an article an attempt to remind yourself of reality.

    • JohnnyMangoes

      Manlet? 6’1″, faggot. LMAO, you angry?

      Dude, it’s okay, I understand. At one point in my life I would be driving around a town in Maine, MAINE, and it was like every other kid was a mulatto. And really hot girls, too.

      If you’re so hot, why the fuck are Chinese at 2 billion, whites are much less than half of that and white women want nothing to do with the average guy?

      • Jannick Slavik

        lolz that Heydrich got Johhny so angry…so easily.

        Johnny. Step back man. Relax. lol

  • JohnnyMangoes

    You guys have much bigger problems to worry about that one Chinese guy, LMAOOOO

    • Heydrich004

      We’re working on them, hence the rise in Nationalism in Europe.

      You’d better hope that never spreads to North America, or every ungrateful immigrant like you and your family are toast : )

      • JohnnyMangoes

        Working on what, Joseph Paul Franklin? Teaching English in China until you save enough money to go back to the US with your Eurasian son and start exterminating blacks? Unless I’m mistaken these girls are making decisions for themselves to sleep with these young fine gentlemen.

        • Heydrich004

          Dude, I don’t care about white women sleeping with blacks. It’s a miniscule problem statistically. What, something like 1% of white women marry blacks? Compare that to the 50%+ Asian American women who marry Whites.

          If Whites were as numerous as Asians, we would literally be fucking you out of existence right now, lol. Your numbers in the US are only replenished by immigration anyway.

          • JohnnyMangoes

            Who says anything about marrying? The bang them then go back to white men for the money. There are more mulattos in some places I’ve been than white children. Also the vast majority of asian American women are dog ugly. You’re not winning anything with that. White men who marry Asian women are pretty much the equivalent of bottom feeders. It’s well known the the prettiest Asian girls don’t like white dudes.

            Get off your high horse dude. White women don’t want to have kids with you so you turn to dog ugly self hating Asians to bang you by proxy. Even if you did win Eurasians ain’t white as you said and they have no use for white people at all. In 100 years there will be hardly any whites left

            If y’all are so hot you’d have white women banging on ur door but you don’t.

          • glove

            Well said

        • Rosemon Calvin Pilot

          LMBAO! I saw this pic on yahoo news. This lady working for the school had an “inbred moment” and posted some sheet about how their fathers must be rolling around in their graves or something like that

  • JohnnyMangoes

    Lol, rich middle easterners take flights into London and get absolutely stunning blonde women, even women that are married, with natural blonde hair and blue eyes, to sleep with them, and these guys even pay good money to take a dump on the chests of the Gaelic / Germanic / Aryan beauties, at a snap of their finger. Yet one Chinese guy, ONE Chinese guy finds happiness and it’s a crime against humanity. I guess an ESL teacher banging some loose Asian sluts is really gonna switch that power right back over into the white man’s hands.

    • Alex Dương

      A guy went to a foreign country and found love. That’s all this story is. Why some people like “Heydrich004” (a.k.a Asian Male Insecurity) or you feel the need to make this something it’s not is beyond me.

      • Heydrich004

        You yourself mentioned earlier about guys in Shanghai “taking in” Ukrainian women during the conflict. Isn’t this the exact same type of “exploitation” Asian Americans bark about vis a vis westerners in Asia?

    • Heydrich004

      1. I’m not an ESL teacher. I study Chinese, but then again I study a great many languages.

      2. Why are you so concerned about white women anyway? You’re Asian. Not white.

  • JohnnyMangoes

    I’m going to drop some red pill on you guys here. So, some Chinese girls like white guys. That’s called exogamy. A lot of them would love to be able to feel what it’s like for the temporary status boost, show off the blonde guy, etc., get access to some of that Euro bread, etc.

    But man… with black dudes, white women are after something else. Those guys have no money and the girls are after them in droves for something… like unbridled masculinity. It doesn’t even matter what the dude looks like, the girls want him – it’s the sexy-son hypothesis in action. There is nothing, nothing, not running to China, that a white man can do to dissuade this kind of genetic imprinting. Nothing. No amount of playing White god in China is ever going to change that.

    Get the ego boost while you can because it ain’t looking so good for you back home.

    • Heydrich004

      What “genetic imprinting”? It’s not like we’ve ever considered mulattoes to be part of our own group.

      And again, why are you inured on the subject of white women? Just earlier you were rambling about how ugly Chinese women are – Well, guess what, ugly men make ugly women, and good looking men make good looking women – what does that say about you?

    • Rosemon Calvin Pilot

      “Drop some Red Pill”…..LMBAO dang man I just cant help myself from laughing, you are just GOIN IN on everyone! The Matrix has them! LoL

    • mr.wiener

      Christ on a bike… Keep that BS for “Return of Kings” you little girly man alpha poser.

    • What ever you say Morpheous…

    • Sam

      Quite an odd angle for a troll, but solid work… A for effort. On many other sites you’d have baited tons of people but there’s not a whole lot of ignorant people on this site. You might want to go elsewhere.

    • Zappa Frank

      poor guy… keep on living your fantasy.

  • JohnnyMangoes

    Usually it’s the ugliest ones brah

    Lol at these idiots using asian women as a proxy for white supremacy

    • Jannick Slavik

      you need to see a shrink.

  • Brandon

    Getting a girl in Ukraine is like getting rice or noodles in China. It’s not difficult, having lived in russia for 8 years and Ukraine 2 years, girls will do anything to marry a foreigner

  • The baby <3

  • JankyFosci

    Who really cares if the average Swede is better than the average Ukrainian or whether Chinese girls tend to be more attractive than white girls? The fact is that THIS particular girl is smoking hot. And for the shit stains on this site to pretend otherwise is cringe-inducing.

  • Cynic-Al

    So, this guy was in university(or graduated) and he ends up marrying a high school girl? Where does a university student troll to end up dating high schoolers? Everyone is so proud of this guy, but if a foreigner was banging Chinese high schoolers they’d be raging.

    • JohnnyMangoes

      Usually it’s a foreigner banging 8 year old Thai and Chinese girls, :).

    • Kai

      I think how they met is covered in the video. One day, she and her boyfriend approached him to take a photograph for them. Later on, she asked him out to a movie or something.

  • FYIADragoon

    Not sure if I approve of him treating his wife like a trophy with some of these pics (as much as I enjoy seeing her make dumplings in her underwear). But lucky guy for sure. Ukrainian women definitely just shot up in popularity AGAIN.

  • Sam

    I doubt these women are stupid. There’s benefits for both sides here. Lonely guy gets a good looking girl to marry, the girl gets to be upwardly mobile and be with someone who wants her and will stay with her.

    Besides, they’re adults who can make their own decisions for better or worse. I think the same way about gay marriage, I could care less what race/sex marries whatever other race/sex. And the bonus is it’s good for the human gene pool to mix DNA and mixed kids generally turn out to be good looking people too. Mother nature never intended for us to stick within our races for mates.

    • mistertibbs4u

      “Mother nature never intended for us to stick within our races for mates.”

      Are you serious?

      • Sam

        Completely. From a genetics standpoint, the human race would be as strong as it could be if everyone had mixed race marriages. It weeds out the bad recessive traits of the different races and bring out the beneficial ones.

        Look at dog breeding, there’s a reason why mutts are usually healthier animals with less problems then pure breeds. It isn’t quite the same disparity with humans because of our larger population but the same fundamental problems exist when mating close to your genetic tree.

        Why do you think I’m not serious?

        • mistertibbs4u

          There being benefits from different ethnicities breeding (to use the term anthropologically) with each other, has nothing to do with an “intent” for us to ethnically mix.

          That’s a slippery slope, because if you consider populations such as African and Native American that were doing just fine without the advent of needy populations such as European, searching the globe for additional resources, a specific group of people existing within a particular continent with a marginal number of people traveling either for leisure or lack of resources wouldn’t constitute nature “intending” for ethnicities to mix.

          Unfortunately, due to the political and aggressive spread of Europeans throughout the globe, we will never fully know the answer to that question.

          • Sam

            Well, I think scientifically, there is an “intent” inherent in genetics from a Darwinian standpoint. Or maybe “intent” isn’t the right word, but the Darwinian cycle (survival of the fittest) or the more updated Richard Dawkins view (the “selfish genes” that are the real driver of evolution and evolutionary perfection and life itself, that we as living beings are just vessels for) drive us towards the best possible gene selection by their nature. For instance, black people having less of a propensity for mental illness and less of a propensity for skin diseases and cancers then white people, and white people having less of a propensity for diabetes and heart disease then black people. The way the evolutionary cycle (or maybe “intent” or “drive”) works is that it pushes all life further and further towards better gene selection, and having opposing ethnicity breeding with each other just pushes this genetic evolution faster then just natural selection does.

            You do make a good point about cultures and societies, both their ills and their benefits, and how they interaction with each other. Although I was speaking from a purely scientific standpoint. Still, these sorts of factors have pushed natural selection to unnatural levels among humans. Although I think even then, there is some survival of the fittest going on. And just as genes are “selfish”, as Dawkins would say, so are humans and animals and amoebas. Humans and animals are capable of being altruistic, although I still think these tendencies are still mostly innate mechanisms that are about helping the survival of yourself, your offspring or your species that can be viewed/explained in a very scientific way especially when viewed at a macro scale.

            So personally I think that a homogenization of humans, genetically and also sociologically, makes the most sense in the long run and is what’s going to happen. And as for Europeans being some evil race, I don’t think any group of people is exempt from having a history of atrocities and Europeans have given a lot back to human-kind that aids us from a survival and society standpoint.

          • mistertibbs4u

            #pause…

            No one said Europeans were an evil race. I do find it humorous however that at a site where a majority of members are constantly talking crap about Chinese, calling them every name under the sun, some people have the gall to call out anything otherwise.

            I understand we’re all here to “get the goods” on the latest and zaniest coming from the Mainland, but please… these comments are usually a hop, skip and a jump away from being Yahoo! caliber.

            Darwin is a hack and a racist. I eat Darwin for breakfast. I’ve thoroughly read his works and papers, which is why I’m allowed to make such a statement, and dare anyone who says otherwise to refute that fact. We fawn on about Darwin the same way we fawn over Martin Luther King… they are not the best examples of their avenues of history, just the most talked about.

            Wait… am I supposed to believe that “life will get better” when my skin is less black?

            Talk about racism… not saying it’s coming from you intentionally… but just think about that for a second… I believe that an inevitable genetic annihilation of myself, as well as a destruction of any person darker than Will Smith will bring calm and peace to the world…

            Hey…

            How about not being racist? How about not systematically destroying other cultures for the sake of your own survival?

            “Us vs. them” is not an issue. When the native Americans initially sought to establish relationship with the European settlers… they thought “It’s up to US to teach THEM how to live in this society.

            When the Africans established trade with Portuguese and other Europeans and also practiced in the slave trade (European slave trade was nothing like African slave trade), they figured “it’s up to THEM to convince US to help enslave our enemies”. Again, here you have Africans unknowingly sending their brothers and sisters into a servitude that was unlike they have ever seen before… but nevertheless, with “them”.

            So you see, “us vs them” is not a “problem”. This mentality has never been an issue on a global scale for anyone except Europeans. Period. I think sometimes we confuse “progressive” with “aggressive”.

            Us not knowing all of our history is yet again partly due to selection based on a white supremacist agenda all throughout the globe. Ask Zappa Frank… he can tell you that it’s still being practiced even today in less than obvious ways. Trust me… he knows.

            So we can classify it all we want, but facts are facts and history is history. There’s only one problem in this world when it comes to “us vs them” and it’s not “us”.

            I swear there should be an entire floor at William James Hall dedicated to the psychological effects of entitlement, selective memory and depression.

          • Sam

            I agree that Darwin wasn’t great as a person, however he was a scientist that was able to make a quantum leap. Some of his ideas have been improved upon and refined, particularly in the “selfish gene” theory of Dawkins that is a much improved statement on evolution then what Darwin had. The same thing happened with Einstein, components of his masterful discovery “spacetime” have been weeded out as false or misleading (such as; he talked about how humans move through the spacetime “fabic” fourth dimensionally and were moving through time like we moved through gravitational fields, but that idea isn’t accepted now in bleeding edge science) but that doesn’t discount his contributions.

            I can see how you believe some of what I said is racist but trust me, it is not and I am not racist! I do hope you believe that. I think you may have misunderstood me. I am many things, but I am not ignorant of the evil of racism. I didn’t mean to say you would be better if your skin was less black, in fact I was trying to make the *exact opposite* point in that white people would be better off from a skin disease/cancer standpoint if our skin was more black! So how does that help you genetically, you may ask, if black people become less black? Well, it doesn’t help in that specific regard, but like I said, it would help generations of mixed white/black children in having less of a propensity for diabetes and heart disease then their more “pure” black ancestors. It’s an averaging-out kind of thing, it’s what would help OUR descendants live longer and have a better life.

            I think you’re going off on a tangent I wasn’t trying to touch. No doubt white people made countless mistakes and committed many atrocities. I think we can all learn from history. I think you made a strong point about the slave trade, however there was also the Barbary slave trade that is estimated to have enslaved many, many more white europeans into Africa then Africans were enslaved across the globe. So I think we are all tarnished in the sins of our ancestors in some way (some more then others), but I think as long as people aren’t guilty of those sins themselves they shouldn’t be held to judgement for them. The French ancestors in my family tree were here before the Revolutionary war against the British, but they weren’t slave holders and it also wasn’t even legal for them to have owned slaves where they lived in what would/did become the US. So in that regard I think some of this “us vs them” mentality exists for what not only would I consider to be people to be not ancestrally “guilty” of the crime but also even for those who may have been had ancestors guilty of it but who do not any longer have that mindset. My ancestors may have possibly killed Native Americans (the French killed many in their American colonies) but what is done is done, I can’t change history but just be observant of it and learn from the mistakes and prejudices of that past whether my ancestors did those things or not. And if you’re a male, in every nation on earth there is still sexism and undoubtedly even if you’re female you’ve had sexist ancestors. Or with homophobes or……… None of us are born without “original sin,” although I don’t think that matters if you aren’t guilty yourself.

            So what I meant in the “us vs them” thing is that, we are all a part of the same species and that we should think less about things like skin color, that the ties that bind us as humans (and indeed all of life) through genetics, are what makes us human… not something so stupid and genetically inconsequential as skin color. You make a good point and are right that black people in general have way too far on the negative/receiving end of the “us vs them” problem. Though there is still strong racism among other races, even against people that aren’t black although still including them usually, so it isn’t just a white european problem. There’s also the most stupid racism even inside of races like this site shows sometimes with Chinese hating other Asians because they consider them to be a different race, like the Japanese or Korean (although I know there’s also historical factors there) and I bet that even exists in Africa against other Africans. I also meant it in ways that go beyond race with things like religion and extreme nationalism.

            I apologist if you were offended by thinking I was racist, either patently or blatantly. All I can do is assure you that I am not! I have always tried my hardest not to have an “-ism” against any category – race related and otherwise.

          • mistertibbs4u

            “it would help generations of mixed white/black children in having less of a propensity for diabetes and heart disease then their more “pure” black ancestors.”

            Which is more effective… interracial relationships or providing organic food to impoverished neighborhoods? I think you may be going about this whole “diabetes” thing wrong.

            “I think you’re going off on a tangent I wasn’t trying to touch.”

            Unfortunately, we can’t touch any of these topics without going off on “that tangent”, because “that tangent” is the underlining reason for most of the problems we’re discussing.

            By the way, slavery existed longer than the earliest city states of Europe and that’s a fact. Slavery has never been an issue. Hell, compared to American slavery, the Romans were angels. In fact, Roman slavery was more akin to African slavery. You weren’t property, you were apart of the family and could indeed marry and acquire property if you adhered to your captor’s culture, language and system.

            American slavery was the only slavery in the history of the world that 1) had a central idea of dehumanizing slaves and 2) made it a crime for slaves to learn. That’s DEEP. So sorry, you cannot even compare European slavery to American slavery, much less African slavery.

            Many modern white slaves (Slavic women coerced into global prostitution) have it worse than African slaves, because they are not considered apart of anyone’s family.

            Now myself, I’m a progressive American with long-term conservative viewpoints so I don’t believe in wasting time with lying to myself about the honest truth. There are no two dimensions, so we’re going to have to make do with this one.

            Why is it that people always seem to think that darker-skinned people are focused on skin color? You might do yourself a favor in automatically assuming they are the one people who would rather “forget” about skin color, but unfortunately are constantly reminded every day by people who do not look like them.

            So this statement is a non-statement.

            If you could learn how to have a conversation without a condescending nature and assume that maybe the person you’re conversing with to be above your station in experience and viewpoint, you would receive more from the conversation. No white or black person in this modern age has no real investment in atrocities committed years before. That’s a fact.

            No offense.

          • Sam

            Most african poeple have a significantly higher genetic predisposition to diabetes, unrelated to diet, over other races. And it was just an example.

            I do not agree with your interpretation of non-American slavery. From the earliest recorded historical accounts of slavery, there was barbarity. From what we know from ancient egyption historians, their slaves died in huge numbers and were generally subjects of the state who were forced to work until they died. And as for Roman slavery, you need to brush up on your history. The murdering of some of their slaves was considered a sport and an amusement. They had less rights then animals did. American slavery was horrendous, but trying to paint it as the apex of barbarity in slavery is just false. It seems to me you have some bias against the United States. You’ve gone off one slavery and Native American tangents that came out of the blue and only spoken about them in regards to America.

            Where did I say non-white races were the ones most focused on their race? Can you quote it for me? You just made that up and put those words in my mouth. You keep making assumptions about what I do and do not believe. From your first comment to me, you’ve had some bias against me that I do not understand.

            I am the one with condensation? Pot, meet the kettle. You’re the one who wanted to call me a racist and slaver and abuser of Native Americans and piled all this original sin upon me and assumed things about me that are not even true and put words into my mouth that I didn’t even come close to saying! I tried to be conciliatory to you and your statements, yet you still attack me and refuse to acknowledge any of the points I’ve made.

            I don’t know why you’ve got it in your head that I’m the bad guy here. It’s just not true. I started off speaking about purely scientific matters and you twist the conversation into topics I didn’t even touch. My original point was that we, as human being, would be better off genetically if we had mixed children. I meant nothing more then that, you’re the one forming all these ideas against me in your head. I don’t know how I can make myself any more clear; I’m not racist. I think the simple fact that me thinking white people would be better off genetically if they bred with black people would tell you this. For whatever reason, it doesn’t, and you’ve taken it to mean I’m some sort of a racist. I take exception to your accusations.

            You can have the last word here, I’m not going to respond to this conversation any longer as it’s taken a turn into the Bermuda triangle and you just want to attack me further and further with each comment.

          • mistertibbs4u

            “Most african poeple have a significantly higher genetic predisposition to diabetes, unrelated to diet, over other races. And it was just an example.”

            NO, you were using it as weighty proof that ethnic-mixing is advantageous for us as a race, and I simply retorted with the idea that there are easier ways to avoid diabetes.

            And you ALSO realize that predisposition means “liable” or “inclined” and not “guaranteed”, right? Which means that if African people had a healthy diet they would most likely NOT get diabetes, right?

            “The murdering of some of their slaves was considered a sport and an amusement. They had less rights then animals did. American slavery was horrendous, but trying to paint it as the apex of barbarity in slavery is just false. It seems to me you have some bias against the United States. You’ve gone off one slavery and Native American tangents that came out of the blue and only spoken about them in regards to America.”

            You do realize that barbarity in slavery has NOTHING to do with systematic treatment of ALL slaves, right? You seem to have a propensity of writing off others comments by using this “going off tangent” tactic, that unfortunately will not work with me. You’re still proving my point. Romans used slaves of all races for amusement. You do realize this is less evil than intentionally using a specific race of people for labor by first making it legal to refer to them as property and then making it a crime for them to learn. You act as if Romans didn’t allow slaves opportunities to work themselves out of indentureship, right? Were there chains on the necks and legs of slaves NOT used for either wartime or barbaric acts?

            The answer is NO and you are incorrect.

            You used the term “us vs them” and I was CLEARLY giving you an aside as to what “us vs them” means between different cultures. I KNOW you know that, so stop being cute and pretending (or feigning, really) not to understand my meaning.

            “I am the one with condensation? Pot, meet the kettle. You’re the one who wanted to call me a racist and slaver and abuser of Native Americans and piled all this original sin upon me and assumed things about me that are not even true and put words into my mouth that I didn’t even come close to saying! I tried to be conciliatory to you and your statements, yet you still attack me and refuse to acknowledge any of the points I’ve made.”

            No, that’s your own internal guilt. If you were sensible white male, you’d realize that (like I said many times before, but you somehow were unable to comprehend) that I don’t think you are racist, never called you racist and have always directed my points towards the system and not individuals.

            “I don’t know why you’ve got it in your head that I’m the bad guy here.”

            At what point did anyone call you the bad guy? No one asked you to take on the faults of others… I just pointed out the facts. I think you’re being a little sensitive… as say… some of the guys on this forum that are a little too nationalistic about China.

            Pot, meet kettle (did you see what I did there?)

            You sir, are without any legs to stand on. And like any person without legs to stand on, first you come off the blocks assuming that you know everything (when in fact, you know next to nothing) and when the block’s too hot, you want to use the “victim” card.

            It’s not like I don’t know who you are. I’ve read many of your comments (for some time) and the idea that you are pretending that “you’ve had enough of being “attacked” by me is laughable… at best. It is the tactic of someone whose been around “humble people” for too long. Like Flavor Flav said, “don’t believe the hype”.

            Please, based on some of your comments I’ve read before, you haven’t given the same thought and consideration to some of your Asian brothers and sisters.

            Shall I start cherry-picking your comments or nah?

            You’ve been done before you decided to reply to me.

            Dogs don’t hesitate to eat cats who’ve just finished eating mice. Remember that.

            FOOD CHAIN!

          • Sam

            Mr Tibbs,

            I think we have gotten off on the wrong foot here. I was speaking purely about genetics although I can see how you took my original statement about ‘mother nature never intended for us to stick within our own race for mates’ statement. But it was only meant to be a commentary on the science of genetics, nothing outside of that. I didn’t mean for it to look like a commentary on society or history although I can see how the original misinterpretation happened.

            Also I was too defensive about your statements on Native Americans and Europeans, I thought they were directed at me and I misunderstood your intent with those statements. I apologize for that.

            We mostly agree, I’m not sure why we are arguing. Slavery has always been a horrendous thing and it’s still going on in different ways around the world. The wars against the Native Americans were terrible too, I agree. I also agree white/Europeans have done many terrible things, I just wanted to point out that they’ve done good things too and are mostly good people these days.

            Although as for you saying, “it’s not like I don’t know who you are.” I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say here, can you clarify? I’m not a mean guy who goes on the attack here and I don’t come here just to make fun of the Chinese as you talked about others doing (which is true), if that’s what you’re trying to say. I don’t even think I comment that much here really so I’m surprised you’d even remember me. I think possibly you have me confused with someone else. I probably average (at least before this convo!) about one comment a story.

            I know I said I wouldn’t reply again, but I just wanted to defuse the situation here. I really just don’t want anyone to misinterpret what I was trying to say. It’s silly that we’ve been arguing back and forth.

          • mistertibbs4u

            Fair enough.

          • Sam

            Also I just thought of one of my favorite quotes from the Bible. I’m not religious at all any longer, but I love this one and it sums up my feelings perfectly on how we should treat fellow humans;

            “The commands; you shall not steal, you shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery and whatever other commands there may be are summed up in this one command; love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”

          • Kai

            Correct me if I’ve misinterpreted you, but evolution does not have a goal in the sense of there being higher or lower evolutionary states. Evolution is simply the adaptation of life to its environment. Survival is the only goal. Monkeys, therefore, are not in the process of evolving to a higher level, but merely that they have evolved to a level where they are surviving. We aren’t evolving to improve ourselves, we simply evolve to survive.

          • Sam

            I agree with what you’ve said. Primates did evolve into chimpanzees and humans, the split happened around 7 million years ago. While chimps aren’t going to evolve into humans that doesn’t mean they aren’t still improving as a species. Chimps that pass on their genes are generally smarter and stronger ones, they’re the mothers that have a stronger bond with their children (through pheromone production and other genetically induced phenomena) and etc.

            They think the earliest human ancestor we can trace is the pikaia. We’ve only seen them as fossils, they’re small water faring worm/bug creatures. They think that this is the creature where the evolution of our eyes (and of all creatures that you would consider to have eyes) came from. At that time, they were basic sensory cells that could distinguish light from dark. This helped them to find areas where they could more easily find food and thus helped them to survive, so they were the ones who passed on their genes that we still carry today. But as the evolutionary process unfolded it split off into many types of creatures. So while chimps are not going to evolve into humans (if that’s what you mean by “higher” state of evolution) they are still evolving in the same way the pikaia did. but now they’re just becoming monkeys that are better able to adapt to their environment. Mate selection at the primate split from humans to chimpanzees, something driven by the ultimate evolutionary process through genetics, made the “better” primates (humans) choose to not mate with chimpanzees.

            Evolution is still happening, you just can’t witness it with your own eyes in a lifetime. Even the 1500 year old California redwoods can’t really see it, although it’s still happening.

  • That’s marvelous

    Interesting how the word “love” hasn’t been written even once in this whole discussion about relationships. Think about that.

    As for this guy: He had courage to face difficulty, went out into the world, and found happiness. Good for him.

  • JohnnyMangoes

    Out of curiosity, why would any White man willingly get with a woman that hated Asian men?

    Seems that that kind of attitude of racist and ignorant. Not all Asian men are evil. It really makes me wonder what kind of trash I’d be marrying if she was dogshit crazy enough to act like that. My mother was like this, talking shit about Asian men, but it turns out my dad was more patriarchal than anyone.

    And to think your son comes out looking like a Chinese dude and he internalizes this white patriarchy and Asian self hatred – it don’t seem healthy.

    If anything if a white girl sees past the millions of stereotypes about Asian (or other colored) men and marries one – she’s probably a decent human being.

    • Jannick Slavik

      so…any mixed race relationship is based on self-hatred of one’s own “skin color”?

      You are a very odd person

      • Shinnie-Shin

        Not ALL interracial relationships, but it does happen.