Hong Kong Protesters Continue to Harass Mainland Tourists

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From Sina:

On the Scene – Mainland Tourist Besieged in Hong Kong, Little Girl Frightened into Tears Comforted by Passerby

A mother and daughter pair of mainland tourists were besieged by a number of Hong Kong youths, the child frightened into crying nonstop. The young woman [mother] at one point says, “We’re all Chinese”, only to get a fierce reaction from the Hong Kong youths, snarling: “We’re not Chinese!!”

Copy on YouTube:

On the Scene – Mainland Tourist Besieged in Hong Kong, Little Girl Frightened into Tears Comforted by Passerby, Hong Kong Youth: “We’re Not Chinese!!”

A mother and daughter pair of mainland tourists were besieged by a number of Hong Kong youths, the child frightened into crying nonstop. The young woman [mother] at one point says, “We’re all Chinese”, only to get a fierce reaction from the Hong Kong youths, snarling: “We’re not Chinese!!”

From Sina:

Hong Kong Anti-Parallel Trading Youths “Besiege” Mainland Mother and Daughter Explodes on Internet

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March 8th, over ten thugs acting in the name of being against parallel trading successively went to Hong Kong’s Sheung Shui, Tuen Mun, and Tsim Sha Tsui districts to arbitrarily besiege, curse, and assault people. Apart from actual parallel traders, even a mainland mother-child pair of tourists who weren’t actual parallel traders as well as born-and-bred local Hong Kong residents were innocently victims of their insults and assault. Photo is of a pair of mainland tourists being besieged by a group of youths, accused of smuggling, with the little girl frightened into bawling.

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In the conflict, the young woman at one point said, “We are all Chinese”, never expecting to to draw the fierce response: “We’re not Chinese!” Hong Kong government official, pro-establishment, and pan-democracy members, who have rarely been united, together used strong words to denounce the vile conduct of the anti-parallel trading protesters.

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A kind-hearted Hong Kong young woman was beside them continuously consoling the little girl, helping wipe her tears.

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The little girl frightened into crying.

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The verbally assaulted mother calling the police, with the demonstrators ceaselessly pointing and cursing her.

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Protesters pointing at and cursing the mainland mother-daughter pair.

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Extremists among the anti-parallel trading demonstrators, looking and behaving like thugs.

From Sina Weibo:

@阿金Aking: Hong Kong! Hello! http://t.cn/Rw1hrah

[Note: A copy of the above video was linked to and attached to this microblog post]

Comments from Sina Weibo:

我叫黄糯:

Hong Kong people can choose not to be Chinese, but Hong Kong island can only be a Chinese island.

mango帆:

Hong Kong, hello! If you continue to be so cocky, mama is going to change your name to People’s Republic of China Guangdong province Shenzhen city Hong Kong town.

夜舞莎逻:

I no longer believe the majority of Hong Kongers are good. This mother with her little child was stopped in the middle of the street to inspect her luggage. I think this would be an unacceptable thing to happen in any country or place. Yet the people around them (including the person filming this), none of them went forward to stop this or protect the mother and child. I think Hong Kong has really become rotten. I represent only myself and my family in expressing that we will not go to Hong Kong to shop or vacation.

于LANl:

I want to human flesh search this adorable Hong Kong youth. Those in agreement, click upvote. Posts a poster.

特不深沉:

Jia you Hong Kong. If you work a bit harder, the central government will release a new policy.

原来是李大官人:

Mistaking someone as a parallel trader, only to realize you were wrong, yet still not apologizing. Frightening a child, yet accusing the mother-daughter pair as feigning victimhood. [The mother] asks if you are Chinese, only for all of them to reply in unison that they are not, and cursing her with profanity. Accusing the girl of going to school in Hong Kong and taking a spot in school away from their children, saying if the mother-daughter pair pay taxes then they’ll apologize… When I first watched the video, I was shocked, in disbelief that this is what some of the youth are like in Hong Kong today.

HEYAMEDE:

I’m organizing a quarreling team to go to Hong Kong next month, with a monthly pay of 3000 [RMB]. Starting at 9am each morning, we’ll practice our eloquence of speech, volume of speech, speed of speech, and ability to be vicious. We get off work at 5pm, with dinner provided. The team will be about 11 people, with 3 substitutes. Each Hong Konger you curse into tears gets you a 300 [RMB] bonus.

芹了个菜-甭-达里尼:

In the reports I see these days, these Hong Kongers are almost all covering their faces, which demonstrates these people also know in their hearts that what they are doing is wretched.

艾小妮不念:

It’s time to redraw Hong Kong as part of Guangzhou. [doge]

索佳Nick:

If they’re not going to let us go there, we should do precisely the opposite, and go there more. As Northeastern manly man, I’d like to go vacation in Hong Kong with my bros, and it would be even better if we can run into youth like these.

CitadelleYang:

Speaking only about this video, if this were to happen in the mainland, I absolutely cannot say that the mainland does not have brainless extremist youth who refuse to admit fault/mistake, but I daresay there would be people in the mainland trying to break it up, people who would say “young man, how can you be like this”, people who would point and criticize. Yet in the video, there are people who come and go, who silently watch or film, but only at the end is there one woman who consoles the victim, and seems to condemn the young men wearing face masks.

小锤子他妈:

Stupid cunt Hong Kong youth bullying women and children! Saying he isn’t Chinese so loud and clear [resolutely]! I’ve been to Hong Kong countless times, and the lousy place is only good for shopping and nothing else. It’s housing prices are extremely expensive, its streets crowded, its amenities old and far inferior to Shenzhen, and just how high [good] are Hong Kongers’ characters? I don’t know, but streets full of locals who cross the street [jaywalk] without looking at the light are innumerable! Where do they get their superiority complex? Unhappy being economically steamrolled by the mainland [referring to the mainland catching up to Hong Kong economically], so you vent your frustrations on mainlanders? A bunch of retards.

夹心DOVE:

Keep making a fuss and Big Xi [Jinping] will cancel the “one country, two systems” policy, and then you’ll be on your knees begging for mercy.

皓妈玟玟:

I’m a rational person, having never forwarded any of the previous posts about the Hong Kong vs. mainland conflict, but this post of besieging a little child and her mother, scaring the child into tears like this, truly~~truly~is too TM human scum. Those people who are besieging and filming, if you have the ability to shout so loudly and feel you are right in doing what you are doing, then why are you wearing face masks? Truly TM cowardly~

刘志豪358:

These young Hong Kongers are so poor they should be pitied, so lacking in ability that they can only blame the gods and accuse others. Look at us Chinese people, making tens of millions in our twenties, something I bet they couldn’t make over their entire lives! According to principle, we shouldn’t even bicker with them, but it’s just that we can’t put up with seeing them bully the mother-daughter pair like this! Hong Kong youths, if you have the ability/guts and just cause, go after your CY Leung, and have him seal the Hong Kong and mainland border. Otherwise, be good little boys and girls and watch us “have money, be headstrong” while you “have no money, are bitter cunts”.

小狗不可以吃那么多:

[doge] This is the first time I’ve heard the godly logic that buying someone’s goods is making someone’s life difficult. I’m floored.

海贼先森啊喂:

Roughly, the several Hong Kong youth at the beginning accused the mainland mother of smuggling. The woman opens her luggage, proving her innocence, says we’re all Chinese so why be like this, I’m not smuggling either… The youths say, we’re not Chinese, that she isn’t smuggling, but her compatriots smuggle, are stealing us Hong Kongers’ resources… Hehe, diu ni lou mou [Cantonese profanity]

Music__W:

Those so-called Hong Kongers insist on accusing that mother pulling a suitcase is a smuggler. The mother says she isn’t, so they begin besieging the mother-daughter pair, referring to themselves as Hong Kongers, not Chinese, accusing mainlanders of taking up their Hong Kong’s resources, stealing their things, taking up their school spots, telling mainlanders the get lost back to China… overall watching this just makes one hatch the impulse to beat these Hong Kongers to death…

灯下花:

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When it comes to my homeland’s territory, I’ll go where I want to go, buy what I want to buy, as long as I am earning my money decently. If these Hong Kong cowards can’t survive in China, then quickly get lost. I plan on making a “I’m a mainlander” T-shirt and going to Hong Kong on independent travel [not part of a tour group], I’m not afraid of these punks.

五常大米计波:

Hong Kong should either be opened up completely or completely closed off, cutting water, gas, everything.

From Sina Weibo:

@Happy张江: So disappointed/saddened watching this online video, of anti-parallel trading [protesters/activists] insisting on accusing this mother-daughter pair of being parallel traders. [The mother] asks if they are Chinese, only for them to reply in unison that they aren’t, and cursing her with profanity…really shocking! Wearing face masks bullying women and children, this cannot be endured!!! [怒] http://t.cn/Rw1hrah

[Note: A copy of the above video was linked to and attached to this microblog post]

Comments from Sina Weibo:

Kim1Chan:

I’m organizing a quarreling team to go to Hong Kong next month, with a monthly pay of 3000 [RMB]. Starting at 9am each morning, we’ll practice our eloquence of speech, volume of speech, speed of speech, and ability to be vicious. We get off work at 5pm, with dinner provided. The team will be about 11 people, with 3 substitutes. Each Hong Konger you curse into tears gets you a 300 [RMB] bonus.

每天都在发白日夢:

If they want to protest us mainlanders, that’s fine, but do so harmoniously [civilly], support Hong Kong in stopping independent travel [to Hong Kong for mainlanders, without requiring being part of a tour group], and return peace and quiet to the Hong Kong people. At the same time, support stopping the Guangdong electricity grid in providing Hong Kong with electricity, stopping the Guangdong water supply in providing water, stopping the “Three Expresses” in providing Hong Kong with imported agricultural products, stopping the West-to-East Second Gas Pipeline in providing Hong Kong with gas, to return peace and quiet to the Hong Kong people. Then let’s see how niu you people are.

min-余孽-shenhua:

Why do they have sanitary towels on their faces? [呵呵]

Wwwanr:

Request the country/government to cancel the “one country, two systems” policy, so that going to HK in the future will be like going to the market, where we can go whenever we please, without some permit. Those wearing face masks attacking people, lock them all up, and sentenced to Africa.

wwwwb6236:

The mainland has given Hong Kong too much. They are a dog that cannot be appeased. Best would be to not watch even Hong Kong films, a dog that has been fattened.

From Sina:

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Caught on Film: Hong Kong Protester Verbally Abuses Mainland Tourists, Kicks Elderly’s Luggage

Mainland tourists pushing handcarts to a bus stop had fingers pointed in their faces and verbal abuse thrown at them. Some protesters kicked the handcarts of the mainland tourists then turned and immediately fled, leaving one elderly man at a loss for words.

Copy on YouTube:

Caught on Film: Hong Kong Protester Verbally Abuses Mainland Tourists, Kicks Elderly’s Luggage

Mainland tourists pushing handcarts to a bus stop had fingers pointed in their faces and verbal abuse thrown at them. Some protesters kicked the handcarts of the mainland tourists then turned and immediately fled, leaving one elderly man at a loss for words.

From Sina Weibo:

@刘桂娟: Today’s Hong Kong! http://t.cn/Rw1T8up

Note: Due to the video autoplaying, please visit the source, Sina Weibo, to view the video. If you have a VPN or are outside of China, you should see a copy on YouTube below.

From Sina Weibo:

你好搞siao吖:

Just saw a netizen’s comment that was really good: “Arbitrarily vandalizing and humiliating others in this city, arbitrarily inspecting pedestrians’ things, and for the police and government to not do anything in such a situation, for passersby to treat it as no big deal, for the media to only film and photograph, is this kind of city normal?

boooom-shakalaka:

Support Hong Kong in stopping independent travel [to Hong Kong for mainlanders, without requiring being part of a tour group], and return peace and quiet to the Hong Kong people. At the same time, support stopping the Guangdong electricity grid in providing Hong Kong with electricity, stopping the Guangdong water supply in providing water, stopping the “Three Expresses” in providing Hong Kong with imported agricultural products, stopping the West-to-East Second Gas Pipeline in providing Hong Kong with gas, to return peace and quiet to the Hong Kong people, to lessen the burden on Guangdong people! Strongly suggest the Hong Kong government implement a police where anyone purchasing anything must do so with a Hong Kong identity card, so Hong Kongers can buy as much as they please!

黑夜里步履阑珊的老狗:

I remember when I was doing foreign trade in Vietnam, an ethnic Chinese uncle came in, and I used Chinese to ask him if he was Chinese. He said he was a Hong Konger and I habitually said we’re family and that I’d give him a membership-only discount of 20% off, only for the uncle to say he isn’t Chinese but a Hong Konger. I was dumbfounded for a few seconds and then my brother came over and said “get out”.

Edward_Bao:

That these videos have not been taken down [note: many have] and it being the Lianghui period [annual meeting of the >NPC and CPPPCC meeting, typically a time where media is strictly controlled] already shows what the [central] government’s attitude/position is on this.

Dr_wu:

Hong Kong, it’s time for you to pay your taxes. After supporting you in vain for all these years, it’s time to pay your due. One has to pay their due sooner or later. I support revoking independent travel [for mainlanders to Hong Kong]. The mainland should stop going to Hong Kong to buy things, and Hong Kongers can also stop coming to the mainland, stop eating the mainland’s food, stop using the mainland’s water and electricity, stop spending a single cent of mainlanders’ money. Don’t you guys say you aren’t Chinese? Then have some backbone and leave Chinese territory and stop sullying Chinese soil!

QIULILY_:

I heard one of the protesters say: Enough to feed an African child for a month. TM having the heart to go care about foreigners, but treating your own with violence? When there was ebola, it was our mainland doctors that went and provided assistance! Where did you Hong Kongers go? Freedom to buy and sell, you offer and I’m willing. Have I stolen anything from your home to bring back to the mainland? I paid money! Have the brains of Hong Kong’s youth been fried?!

陈大飞__:

There are always people whitewashing for Hong Kong dogs, that those who are causing trouble all have someone behind the scenes manipulating them and that the majority of Hong Kongers are not like this, then why don’t I see the majority step forward to stop this group of the minority from assaulting and verbally abusing people? Those who have gone to Hong Kong before all know that as long as you speak putonghua [Mandarin] or are carrying around bags, the majority of Hong Kongers will not treat you politely/courteously. The superiority complex that fills the people of this place has already become a kind of atmosphere for this place, okay? Even if they don’t make trouble, that portion of people also look down on mainlanders.

黄乐呵Q:

What is this about mainland tourists buying Hong Kong out of all its goods? Isn’t this fucking obvious? What, you’re not going to sell your goods and instead keep them around to reproduce? If I had a store and even managed to sell my samples/display items, wouldn’t I be happy beyond belief? The halo of being a “shopping paradise” was one you gave yourself, yet when there’s nothing to sell, you blame me? If your head isn’t so big, don’t wear such a large hat [don’t claim something that can’t be lived up to], running a brothel but still being afraid of a big penis [don’t complain about what you invite on yourself]? My words are vulgar but my point/rationale is not.

不瘦十斤不改id:

I’m in Hong Kong and actually, the majority of Hong Kong people are all friendly and well-mannered. This small group of stupid cunts have been called “useless youth”. Under the report of this incident on Facebook, most are Hong Kongers commenting “It is people like you who should get lost out of Hong Kong”, “It is because you know you are being shameful that you cover your faces”, “Animals”. This small group of stupid cunts do not represent Hong Kongers. I hope everyone can be rational in regards to this.

壹只蟑螂:

Hong Kong is part of China, so if you do not admit you are Chinese, then leave Hong Kong, rather than having us not go to Hong Kong.

七里花香V:

I’m organizing a quarreling team to go to Hong Kong next month, with a monthly pay of 3000 [RMB]. Starting at 9am each morning, we’ll practice our eloquence of speech, volume of speech, speed of speech, and ability to be vicious. We get off work at 5pm, with dinner provided. Interested parties, please add my QQ 377351307. The team will be about 11 people, with 3 substitutes. Each Hong Konger you curse into tears gets you a 300 [RMB] bonus.

旺胡小姐:

Mainlanders have experienced the suffering China has been through, shared in both the weal and woe [good and bad]. However, Hong Kong and Taiwan people are only willing to embrace the glorious side of Chinese history, claiming to be the inheritors of Chinese culture and civilization, but because of China’s humiliations in recent history refuse to embrace their Chinese identity, being even worse than foreigners when it comes to regarding their compatriots with contempt. They in actuality are nothing! Perverse in their vanity of claiming only the good for themselves! They must delight in humiliating Chinese people, like having 1.3 billion people people under their heel.

常大仙儿_:

Seeing someone in the popular [most upvoted] comments say there are Hong Kongers condemning this on FB [Facebook], I laughed. I looked at over 500 comments and most of them were all saying mainlanders deserve it. To be soft-hearted with this kind of garbage is to be cruel to oneself. I support revoking the “one country, two systems” policy, revoking the privileges given to Hong Kong, and send those Hong Kong dogs off to go find their UK father [master].

猫夜叉OnTheRoad:

I remember when watching Hong Kong’s television serials, especially the legal procedural serials, I always felt Hong Kong was an especially strict rule of law place, where a single insult can result in being taken to court, where a single frivolous statement can be prosecuted, where without a warrant, an owner can shoo the police out of their home, but now, [to see] verbal abuse in the streets, endangering other people’s safety, obstructing/disturbing public order, infringing upon other people’s privacy, with so much video evidence, just where is the law?

旭瓜儿:

[These] Hong Kong youth look like the mainland youth of forty years ago, with backwards thinking, full of hostility, blind to the law, and thinking what they are doing is very right.

森野:

I admit that the mainland has many faults/shortcomings, as this is impossible to deny. But likewise, I may curse my school over [a hundred] times every day, but I would never allow an outsider (the Hong Kongers in the video) to curse it once. Lastly, if you don’t want to be Chinese, then please take up another country’s nationality, as where you are currently living belongs to my country.

武汉首席帅哥:

Strange, many Chinese tourists go to Korea and Japan to buy things, but the people there are all very welcoming. Why do some Hong Kongers not want their own business to be good? What’s the motive/intent??

无证法师zhumingyu:

Back in the day, [Hong Kong] relied on reselling goods to a mainland that was sealed off internationally to make a profit on the price difference, then promoted itself as a “shopping paradise”. Frankly, your Hong Kong has always been in the business of buying and selling [trade]. Without the Hong Kong government for years promoting smuggled goods [parallel trading] and cheap goods, who would go there? And now you come out saying you want to crack down on smuggled goods…? You were always a whore, stop pretending to be some pure and innocent virgin.

歆星鹿:

Actually, if they don’t want us to boost their economy, and we still want to save money when shopping, we can go to Macau, right? It isn’t crowded there. The food is good too. The hotel rooms are spacious as well. You can also do some gambling. Hong Kongers have gone crazy so just let them become unemployed and see. [呵呵] Just let them look at their diapers and milk powder without being able to afford them. [呵呵] Either way, if Hong Kong is not treated, I’m definitely not going, talk about a bunch of unruly brats. [拜拜]

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  • middle finger

    That’s so cruel.

    • Edward Kay

      Yes, its getting out of hand. Its always the same anywhere. From some “worthy” cause to extremity.

      • kenhansen

        Sure, most of those hongkongers are very likely a group of unemployed and incompetent youth . Same thing all over the world. Frustrated losers are always pointing fingers at something. That is how nazi Germany started. Think about it

        • Poodle Tooth

          Why shouldn’t they?

          • Luke the Duke

            Why shouldn’t they pick on innocent people as a way of relieving their frustrations with their own lives?

          • Poodle Tooth

            “Frustrated losers are always pointing fingers at something.”

            They’re going to pick on the people they can reach. If they can’t get to the real causes of their problems they’ll get as close as they can, and that might not be very close.

            Why should frustrated losers do nothing?

          • Luke the Duke

            Because in this case the ‘something’ that they are doing is not constructive in the slightest, it is just bullying an innocent woman and her small child.

          • mwal

            They shouldn’t do nothing; they should do something useful or constructive.

            Driving more and more mainland money toward shops in Japan is hardly useful or constructive to the job situation in HK.

            Unfortunately, “do something useful or constructive” is a lot easier said than done, so their behaviour is understandable, if ill-advised.

          • kkw

            They should kill themselves. Law of the jungle.if you are weak, go die.

          • Poodle Tooth

            That’s not how it works. If you’re strong, you have to kill them.

          • kkw

            That is why I am an advocate of libertarianism. Stop feeding the weak and they will die by themselves.

          • Poodle Tooth

            They’re polite like that.

          • kkw

            That is what they did over millennia until Marx the dumbfuck came up with communism.

          • Poodle Tooth

            Marx didn’t invent communism, and what was the French Revolution about then?

          • Luke the Duke

            Social welfare had existed for centuries before Marx came along.

          • Vance

            The Romans used to give welfare handouts at the games. It was the one place where everyone was conveniently gathered to make distribution easier.

          • kari

            That’s like saying Americans against illegal immigration should be free to “pick on” undocumented workers however they want to. There’s something called human rights. When you violate people’s human rights as part of your “resistance,” then what are you fighting for in the first place?

          • Poodle Tooth

            Without people willing to violate human rights, resistance is meaningless; it will go nowhere, because it will have no teeth. If you want to resist peacefully, fine, but you’ll get nothing unless there are guys like these around, more or less on your side (or at least opposing the same people) for those in power to fear.

            The danger is that the powerful find a way to use them to their own ends.

          • kari

            You haven’t answered my question. Is it okay for Americans to mess with illegal immigrants however they want? Yes or no?

            Violating human rights means you’re no better than those you’re “resisting.” What you’re saying is essentially how terrorists justify attacking innocent people.

            These guys are cowards for going after a mom and her daughter who did nothing wrong, nothing more.

          • Poodle Tooth

            I don’t consider your question analogous to this situation, and I’m not going to play your game.

          • kari

            “I’m not going to play your game”–Typical answer when you don’t have a valid rebuttal.

          • Vance

            I think what you are referring to is civil disobedience. This is usually done against people with some kind of power who are already violating others’ human rights. In this case, the mother and child have no power. They themselves can do nothing to correct the situation there. Nobody remembers the cause that these protesters were advocating for. They only remember that they terrorized a little girl and her mom while out shopping.

          • Poodle Tooth

            They’re the other half of civil disobedience. They aren’t the half you make a deal with. They’re the half that makes the powers that be willing to deal, because they represent an unattractive alternative. Either that or they become someone’s brownshirts.

        • redgirls

          Wow, how disingenuous to people who have become unemployed or may struggle to reach their potential because of their age. But saying so also;

          , the behavior of these people towards this young woman and her child is absolutely inexcusable…

      • Jahar

        have you ever seen a protest where people weren’t irrational idiots? Not all the people are, but most protests have them.

        • Edward Kay

          As a matter of fact I have; where the protesters aren’t, the police were.

          • Jahar

            I’ve never seen a protest with a shortage of irrational fools.

          • Irvin

            Rationality is often at the mercy of emotionality and sometimes, morality.

    • Your Honor

      That lil girl will go “Kill Bill” on their asses in 15 years……

  • Amused

    I hate to say it, because I enjoy how mellow Chinese culture is most of
    the time, but this is what happens when you don’t have a long heritage
    of assaulting people who verbally abuse you.
    I know, I know, assault isn’t nice and its not the answer to HKs probs. But….

    • NondescriptRG

      I am at a loss of words, too. If they tried something like that in Russia, they would have had their f#$%ing noses broken in a matter of seconds.

      • Irvin

        If they tried something like this to men, especially the northern ones, they would’ve had a broken nose too.

        • Jahar

          I highly doubt that. Chinese guys never get into a fight if the odds aren’t heavily stacked in their favor.

          • Irvin

            You’ll be surprised at how diverse chinese tempers are amongst different regions.

  • Vergrassi Sous

    SMH at these misguided young punks. These stupid young thugs are hurting their cause without even knowing it…. You want to protest go protest at embassy or government officials. Why direct your anger at innocent civilians without any proof? Now the general public is going to turn against you if they had not already.

    • Zappa Frank

      you know what is really common in my country to make of any demonstration a disaster? to infiltrate some of your agents and to make them do the most extreme actions that will exasperate all people and will attire al the critics…in this way the whole movement will be associate with them and the police will be able to strike hard on anyone without having to fear any reaction from public opinion.
      of course I’m not sure something like that is possible in hongkong

      • mr.wiener

        The thought had crossed my mind also , but even so there is a well of discontent for any agent provocateur to tap into. for every govt stooge there are a crowd of stupid clueless thugs willing to act as bullies.

        • Zappa Frank

          Sure, but sometimes they need the “inspiration” that can be provided by someone.. Anyway, as said this is pretty common in my country, I’m not sure about hongkong

          • Luke the Duke

            If you don’t think this is happening in HK then why mention it on this story?

          • Zappa Frank

            I didn’t say I don’t think, I think it may happen, my idea is that is something to considerate. But since I’m not in HK nor I can say anything about HK I simply present this hypothesis and leave to people more informed to confirm or not.

      • Vergrassi Sous

        Kind of hard to see that little girl as an agent.

        • Zappa Frank

          I don’t think you got my meaning if you thought I was referring to the little girl as a possible agent.

        • David

          I believe he meant the thugs were the agents for the government, to make the protestors look bad.

  • mr.wiener

    Bravely screaming abuse at women and children and kicking the bags of old people all the while with their faces masked…This is the ugly side of any conflict of interest, and those stupid thugs are doing their cause a diservice.

    • mr.wiener

      Chinasmackers all.
      I will be taking a rare sabatical for the next couple of weeks and will not be here to drop my barely existent pearls of wisdom , admonish the foolish and browntrousering the naughty. Play nice while I am gone and I will pray for Buddha’s blessings for all as I am lying on a beach contemplating the mysteries of life, drinking Aussie beer and occasionaly caressing the lovely thighs of mrs. wiener.
      Keep warm.

      • Alex Dương

        Have fun!

      • NeverMind

        Have fun and get the much deserved haircut.

  • Nilerafter24

    Blind nationalism is the highest form of stupidity

  • Teacher in China

    OH MY GOD THE CHILDREN!! WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!

    • Irvin

      We did, that’s why we had the one child policy.

  • AbC

    These fucking retarded thugs assaulting women and children whilst hiding behind masked faces should be thrown in jail.
    They are in no way helping their cause by using intimidating tactics, making children cry and illegally inspecting other people’s bags. Wtf is wrong with these youths?

  • FYIADragoon

    The source of these tensions is the central government. I want to say they should take a look at what the CCP is doing with HK and try to find a way of resolving these tensions, but that would mean democracy would once again be a topic in the public sphere, and Xi at this point has proven he’s not here to reform, so….

    • Yes!

      Agree with you. But no way is Mr Xi able to accede to HK demands, even if he is willing to privately. Mainland China is not ready for at least another 2 generations for competitive open elections, and likely never. The country will descend to anarchy with several power bases emerging to challenge the central government. Mr Xi is presently busy fighting off power challenge from the other camp using the anti corruption campaign.

      • FYIADragoon

        In the current incarnation of China, they will never be ready. I think even the CCP realizes it’s just a matter of time.

      • steviewah

        On their current trajectory, I don’t think the Mainland will never see democracy either, since they are doing everything backwards and are anti-progressive. Their main fears are mass assembly and foreign influence pushing them into a state of paranoia. I doubt China will implode anytime soon, plus though I agree that Xi is consolidating power with his anti-corruption campaign he also knows that real corruption is ultimately the Achilles heel for them right now because it is costing them billions in debt. Investment funds not going to sectors that need them and public resentment. However, his purge is superficial if he can’t draft proper legislation to deal with government elites and to have an independent oversight established.

      • Jahar

        They have spent the last 70 years being trained to not be ready for it.

  • Gerhana

    im sure he can only insult helpless women with children… or grown men, given that he is behind a keyboard.

  • Ken Morgan

    Chinese vs Chinese racism has always been huge in China and Hong Kong too.

    160 years ago there was a massive war between Hakkas and Cantonese.

    30 years ago my grand dad disowned two of his daughters for marrying Cantonese men.

    • Irvin

      And now, there are more hakka cantonese thanks to your 2 aunts. That’s what we should do, we should go to HK and breed with them.

  • Free Man

    Disclaimer: I despice what those people did to harmless pedestrians.

    But …

    It seems like an isolated incident made big to discredit Hongkong and its desire for more control over itself. But who would profit from such a thing?

    I still remember that 2014 thousands of students were protesting very peaceful in Hongkong, despite loads of tear gas being thrown at them. I said this before, but I think if the same amount of people protesting back then would show behavior as described in the article above, the entire city would burn down to the ground.

    It’s so easy to get in rage after seeing a video like this, but I really think this is just pushed to discredit anyone in Hongkong going against the big bosses in Beijing.

    • Vergrassi Sous

      Isolated incident? Are you living on Mars?
      These protestors have been harassing mainland tourist for weeks. This is so stupid. Why would any mainland tourist visit Hong Kong now? It’s like cutting off your nose to spite the face. Bunch of idiots.

      • Free Man

        Im not arguing that this behavior is stupid. But if you think thats what I wanted to say, do so, moron.

        • Vergrassi Sous

          Hey retard. Did you not say isolated incident?

          • Free Man

            Compared to the student protests of 2014 these incidents are isolated, because only a few people got disturbed and not the entire city.

            Wanna talk about people from your place? Im sure you got idiots, too, but you being an idiot doesn’t convince me that all people from your place are idiots, regardless of where that may be. Just you being annoying doesn’t mean everyone on this website is. Thats what isolated incident means in my dictionary. But hey, feel free to make this bigger than it is.

            Your 1st comment sounds like you are affected, so maybe those idiots pissed you off. If so, sorry about that, they were wrong and they should get their balls smashed. But at the end of the day its just a drop in an ocean. If you can’t see that, then don’t argue with people who can.

          • Kai

            These aren’t isolated incidents.

            Anti-parallel trading sentiment has been a notable phenomenon in Hong Kong (particularly in the New Territories areas right by the border where this activity happens and has impacted the local environment most) for quite some time now. The previous cS translated report just last month even explicitly mentioned them and past media coverage of them.

            As a regular reader of cS, I would lean towards expecting you to be aware of this, but if you genuinely didn’t or forgot, that’s fine, so long as you better understand it now.

            Your comparison to last year’s Occupy Central protests is problematic. Occupy Central was far larger in scale and encompassed are broader subset of HK demographics. Their stated interest was in the future of HK governance, elections, candidates, and suffrage. These long-running persistent anti-parallel trading protests and incidents of harassment are far more limited in scale and arguably encompass a much more narrow subset of HK locals. Their stated interest is less about ideals and more about local-vs-outsider grievances, typically revolving around local lifestyle inconveniences and local economic impact.

            Some of the people involved in this may have been involved in the Occupy Central protests, and some of the sentiments involved here may have been involved in the Occupy Central protests as well, but despite this overlap, these are largely two different groups who are encouraging and thus engaging in different sorts of activities aimed at achieving very different goals. Occupy Central had a lot of students and idealists protesting for greater political self-determiniation keeping themselves in check to have greater international sympathy. This is more or less a bunch of HK locals either with an anti-mainlander prejudice or who are irked with the impact of mainland parallel traders on their local environments going around expressing and venting their frustrations, unfortunately without enough discrimination in their targets.

            Occupy Central was idealistic and well-behaved because their factored international attention as part of their audience. The audience of these protests are just mainland parallel traders and tourists, with the aim of communicating to them that HK doesn’t welcome them, so the behavior is far more antagonistic and hostile, allowing them to unfortuantely become more like lynch mobs in character. The people organizing and participating in both are generally not the same. At best, the people participating in these anti-parallel trading protests are only a subset of the broader Occupy Central population.

          • Free Man

            Wow, you really have too much free time, writing so much for nothing. As a frequent reader of my comments I would have you expected to understand this, but its all right, you can read this as often as you like and try to understand:

            If anyone claims harassing mainlanders is normal behavior for all or even just “most” people of Hong Kong, I would call him a retard. Every time I am in China some idiot lets his baby child shit right in front of me on the streets, but I wouldn’t call all chinese idiots because of this.

            After reading of a couple of such events I know it happened, but do you honestly think the amount of trouble matches anything on the scale from last year events? It’s not comparable? Well quite some mainlanders throw them into the same pot, why shouldn’t I?

            You wrote that this news mainly has mainland audience. For what reason do you think that is?

          • Kai

            It would appear you did not read or understand my response to you. Where did I articulate a disagreement with your criticism of generalizing? I consistently criticize generalizations myself.

            I instead responded to the implications of calling these incidents “isolated”.

            I never said anything about the amount of trouble in these incidents matching those of Occupy Central. Why would you ask me if I think that? You compared the amount of trouble and I articulated a number of reasons why comparisons would be problematic. If you disagree with the considerations I brought up making your comparison problematic, please articulate why, and don’t just accuse me of having too much time and writing a lot of nothing.

            Your last sentence cements my impression that you did not understand my response to you. I also did not say this news is for a mainland audience. I said the behavior of these protestors considers a different audience than the behavior of the Occupy Central protesters.

            I’ll be happy to clarify what I’m saying, but I need you to ask me for clarification in a civil way instead of jumping to throw personal insults at me.

          • Free Man

            You are right, I did not read everything, because … suan le.

            You and me are not having the same opinion about quite a lot of topics. Also you seem to constantly misunderstanding me, on purpose or whatever reason, I have no idea. I am tired of trying to explain myself to you. So, if you want to have an argument, ask someone else.

            If it helps, you are right, I am wrong, your points are valid, mine are useless, and because I know this I stop arguing with you. Happy now? You are good, because you keep explaining the truth to a moron like me, while I got tired and don’t want to bother anymore (how selfish, isn’t it?).

            So whatever you write, don’t expect me to respond. Also, feel free to think and write about my comments whatever you want. But don’t expect me to carefully read every word you write. I don’t respect you enough to do so, because of something you will understand in a decade or 2.

          • Alex Dương

            Feel free to comment, but remember that your comments should not be read as if they were “blog posts with comments disabled.” Just as you comment, so may others reply to your comments.

          • Free Man

            I will

          • Free Man

            Sorry, no offense, but I don’t get it. Are you saying that nobody will read my comments anymore? Or that I shouldn’t object against others responding to my comments? Or is this humor and I am too stupid to sense it?

          • Alex Dương

            I’m saying you shouldn’t object against others responding to your comments. And you shouldn’t assume that I, Kai, or anyone else think you’re stupid.

          • Free Man

            I didn’t object anyone replying to my comments, did I?

          • Alex Dương

            Wow, you really have too much free time, writing so much for nothing. As a frequent reader of my comments I would have you expected to understand this, but its all right, you can read this as often as you like and try to understand:

            So whatever you write, don’t expect me to respond. Also, feel free to think and write about my comments whatever you want. But don’t expect me to carefully read every word you write. I don’t respect you enough to do so, because of something you will understand in a decade or 2.

          • Free Man

            And which part is objecting against him replying?

          • Alex Dương

            Both. Clearly, you didn’t like Kai’s replies to you. That’s fine, and you don’t have to discuss with anyone here if you don’t want to. But you don’t have to be angry just because some people choose to reply to your comments.

          • Free Man

            Dude, thats nonsense, but again: feel free to think and write whatever you want.

          • Alex Dương

            Hold on. You are disputing my claim that you got angry just because Kai replied to you? Look at what you’re saying:

            you really have too much free time, writing so much for nothing.

            Did you mean that as a joke? Or as an insult?

            I don’t respect you enough to do so, because of something you will understand in a decade or 2.

            This is pretty self-explanatory, no?

          • Free Man

            Believe it or not: I wasn’t angry at that time, I was laughing.

            And yeah, I do not respect Kai ENOUGH to read his stuff for a number of reasons.

          • Alex Dương

            OK, I believe you; you weren’t angry. Correction noted. My point remains, though: if you do not want to discuss with someone, you do not have to. I think that’s preferable to insulting people. Fair?

          • Free Man

            I can not recall insulting Kai or you (at least not for this topic, appologies for past mistakes). It’s not my fault if you feel insulted about my missing respect for someone, deserved or not. And please forgive me, but I will stop this conversation now, because I want spend some time with my family instead of arguing with you, especially since you seem to keep misunderstanding me, just like Kai. Have a nice day.

          • Alex Dương

            Family time is important. But let it be clear that you have been given a friendly reminder about this.

          • Kai

            You have a selective memory then. I believe accusing me as having too much free time on my hand, as writing about nothing, as constantly misunderstanding people on purpose, as being egotistical, etc. constitutes “insulting Kai”.

            You’ve chosen to not extend basic respect to us because we have at some point in the past expressed views contrary to you. You’re more interested in nursing your grudge against people over past disagreement than holding a civil conversation about an objective topic like the anti-parallel trading protests in Hong Kong.

          • Free Man

            Perfect example of you misunderstanding me.

            Let me try a last time, because its office hours and I get paid either way. I quote your last comment:

            “I believe accusing me as having too much free time on my hand …”

            Accusing you of having too much free time is an insult? Hilarious. You having an inferior complex? It sounds that way to me. But it’s ok to constantly tell the world what you think of me??? Holding grudges? For a topic from last year? Against someone I have never met in person? Dude, you overestimate my feelings towards you BIG TIME.

            Next, THE perfect example of you misunderstanding me AND the reason I am ignoring you. I wrote:

            “… writing so much FOR nothing … ”

            And you write:

            ” … as writing ABOUT nothing …”

            Let me clarify this, even though I know you are clever enough to understand this yourself but are blinded by whatever feelings you hold towards me.

            I expressed my amusement about you WASTING your time. I did not say anything about your actual statement, but that you wasted your time writing it, because I am ignoring it and I doubt anyone but you, your buddies, and me is still following this thread. Your points may be valid somehow, but I don’t care enough to read them and I express my believe that the entire world is also not caring about this thread.

            I ignore your points because I consider this game of “I said, you said, I meant, you meant” a huge waste of time, because I dont want to explain every second sentence I wrote, not for stupid misunderstandings like reading a “for” as an “about” and therefore completely changing the meaning of the sentence. I am honestly tired of this game.

            I know that your english is quite good, maybe even better than mine (in terms of grammar, vocabulary), but you should consider what people TRY to say, not what you want to understand they said. That would be showing the basic respect you say I am lacking. You want my respect? You dont show me any respect, so I return the favor.

            I wonder, is this part of your business model? Making your audience angry by misunderstanding their posts on purpose, so they come back and write more? To increase visitor stats, ranking, and ad revenue?

          • Kai

            1. Yes, accusing someone of having too much free time is an insult. You’re insinuating they have nothing better to do when frankly they’re merely engaging in the same behavior as you are.

            I note you didn’t address the other insults you made, or that you didn’t even note your newest insult accusing me of having an inferiority complex (for simply disagreeing on the applicability of the adjective “isolated” and then explaining my disagreement), yet previously argued that you didn’t insult me.

            2. Re: “writing so much for nothing” vs. “writing so much about nothing”

            You’re right, there’s a difference between the two. I misinterpreted you as accusing my comments of being substanceless when you were actually declaring that my comments will not make you reconsider anything regardless of how relevant or valid my comments are, ironically (but by your own admission) because of “whatever feelings you hold towards me”.

            3. You expressing your belief that the entire world doesn’t care about this thread is an appeal to popularity fallacy. What made you think I care that the “entire world” follows this thread? I made my comment to express a reaction to what you wrote. I obviously offered them for your consideration and anyone else’s consideration. I didn’t go around begging anyone to read it. If I had, then you might have some basis for insinuating that I think the world cares about this thread. But I didn’t.

            What you’re doing is resorting to childish attempts to hurt my feelings with a variant of “well, no one cares what you think” or “no one likes you, nyah!”

            Are you serious? What is your profit in trying to impress upon me that you refuse to consider my thoughts on an objective matter? Furthermore, why have you taken my disagreement with the adjective “isolated” so personally?

            4. You’ve never really articulated how our discussions are characterized by “constant” misunderstanding, much less constantly misunderstanding you “on purpose”. You’ve at most only made the accusation.

            Here, you’ve found a single instance where I misinterpreted you that related to how you were trying to hurt my feelings by impressing on me that you’re going to ignore me that has no relation whatsoever to the original topic of discussion (the characterization of these incidents as “isolated”).

            Shouldn’t you start with explaining how I’ve “constantly” misunderstood you in our discussion about the actual subject at hand? And then why you suspect I’m doing it “on purpose”?

            5. I do try to consider what people TRY to say. I have countless comments on cS where I’ve tried to explain to others how they might have misunderstood or misinterpreted someone else.

            What you are looking for is a blank check to say whatever you want and then not be held accountable for either clarifying yourself or revising your remarks to be more measured and accurate to what you subsequently want.

            Effective communications requires effort on both the part of the speaker and the listener. I owe it to you to try to understand what you’re trying to express and you owe it to me to try to communicate what your thoughts are, with all their nuances and caveats, to me. But you aren’t doing that. You’re immediately dismissing other people as misunderstanding you, declaring that you can’t be bothered to help them understand you, and insinuating that they are doing it “on purpose”.

            Misunderstanding you is not equivalent to disrespecting you or not respecting you. It’s simply misunderstanding. What would be disrespectful is intentionally and maliciously mischaracterizing others or strawmanning them. I do not see how I have done so and you have yet to bother to articulate how i have. You simply accuse and then excuse yourself from proving by saying you can’t be bothered. What you are doing is tantamount to slander.

            6. Your latest insult is to insinuate my disagreement on something as limited as the appropriateness of the term “isolated” has ulterior motives, to infuriate not just you but apparently our “audience” into revisiting.

            Right, I apparently am so nefarious in my business acumen that I boldly “troll” commenters with nary a worry that such “trolling” may end up alienating them, thus decreasing visitor stats, rankings, and ad revenue. Wow, I’m that talented.

            No, I just didn’t think you would take a civil articulation of my disagreement over the applicability of the word “isolated” so personally, as if it were some expression of disrespect to your person.

          • Free Man

            one word says it all …

          • Free Man

            Yeah, it explains quite a lot … about you. Ever Heard of something called ‘Rorschachtest’?

          • Alex Dương

            Of course. But if you want to go down this path, perhaps you should look in a mirror because you repeatedly accuse others of thinking you’re stupid…

          • Kai

            I have no interest in misunderstanding you or anyone else, especially on purpose. I enjoy discussions because it gives me the opportunity to encounter and learn from new or different perspectives, not to troll people and needlessly give myself or others grief.

            In this case, I’m don’t even know WHAT I have misunderstood about you or your comment, because you haven’t stated what my misunderstanding is or explained how what I’ve said arguably demonstrates a misunderstanding. All you’ve done is make an unjustified and unsubstantiated accusation.

            The rest of your comment is unnecessary passive-aggressiveness intended to insult me. I responded only to discuss the suitability of describing the incidents in the above translated content as “isolated”, not your sentiments about my person.

          • Free Man

            Let me add one more thing: you win, I loose!

            Hope that helps your ego.

  • Nate B.

    Please show me such a story.

  • Dolph Grunt

    There is something not right about this story.

  • WuDi

    Given my history here, I’m sure I’m not missed. I admit the moderators have every right not to publish my comment but this is one of the very rare occasions that I must post. It killed me when that mother and her crying child expressed the desire to be treated just as people.

    Do Hong Kongers truly believe that by acting so savagely, they are going to get what they want? I’ll choose not to reciprocate by tarring all HKers with the same brush. Instead of these faceless thugs, I’ll just see that one woman who stood up to the mob. 不瘦十斤不改id is right. These protesters are just a highly visible, vocal minority.

    If the shoe is on the other foot, I would have obliged and I’m sure the vast majority of Chinese the world over would too. Mainlanders, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, ABC, BBC, CBC and all over “BC”, we live in A.D. not B.C.

  • Dan

    Regarding commentators:
    “I no longer believe the majority of Hong Kongers are good”
    Did they not just read the same article? “Over ten thugs” – forgive my lack of statistical knowledge of population, but “over ten” seems like a gross minority.
    And to those around. We all know how adverse Chinese are at getting involved in another fray. That and, when semi-violent “thugs” are around, most normal people (i.e. Hongkongers) would tend (I assume) to walk in the opposite direction.

    • Irvin

      I would’ve step in and say “I’m chinese too, if you need to beat and insult, do it to me, leave the women and children alone”.

    • Kai

      I believe they’re referring to the seemingly increasing occurance and intensity of this phenomenon, making them sour on their opinion of HKers, similar to how many people express the same sentiment about mainlanders or anything. Logically, it is indeed stupid to take increasing incidents and even the arguably non-intervention of the locals present as an indictment of a “majority” of any broad generalized identity. The commenter may simply be expressing his growing dismay with Hong Kongers with such a fallacious comment, but it is ultimately contributing to needless polarization instead of helping.

  • don mario

    its getting pretty lame now. continue this cause aimed at the government. mainlanders act like pigs abroad its true, but its not their fault. the government deserves the flak, not tiny little kids..

    • Bing

      “mainlanders act like pigs abroad” lol i’ll put some or many infront of those. Don’t be a racist pig, please.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Got forbid I was not near that little girl, I would have shitted on those skinny twats with the shitty AF shirts.

    • Mighty曹

      Breaking news or the obituary?

      • YourSupremeCommander

        I can easily beat the shit out of 1-2 of them, maybe even 3, and the others would be so scared shitless that they will scram. I know right, my keyboard is REAL tough, LOL.

        But seriously, I will go there this summer and put my foot down, just watch.

        • Mighty曹

          I don’t doubt that. Most of them are just boney skinny nerds acting all tough. Especially that one (in the video) who kicked the old man’s cart and fled. He looked more scared than the old man.

          • tonkotsu

            That skinny guy was already arrested Btw

          • YourSupremeCommander

            good

          • tonkotsu

            http://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20150311/bkn-20150311212338929-0311_00822_001.html

            not sure if u can see it. From other reports, it looks like they’re looking for the group that harassed the lady/kid as well. Hope they get em.

          • Mighty曹

            He got a full size mask to wear.

          • Nat

            what the hell, guy is 27 years old. i thought he was just a kid.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    The majority of HK people would shit on these few HK people that spoil the pot for everyone.

    • Bing

      thank you for saying this. and please, correct others who constantly forgot using “majority” on mainlands.

  • Zen my Ass

    Among all people, they picked on a mother and her daughter… how stupid and vile. This will only discredit the movement (if they are part of that, but sadly all movement will be dragged into). This is not going to end well for HK.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      Because they do not dare to mess with fully grown men.

      • Irvin

        fully grown men are scary.

  • chucky3176

    That’s fucking pretty sad, picking on a little girl and her mother who had nothing to do with all the problems. If they don’t want PRC tourists, then they should lobby and protest the Chinese government, instead of picking on little kids.

    • Bing

      LOL protest the Chinese government? you mean, Chinese HK government right?

  • R. Vandaka

    Though I support Hong Kong Independence and democracy, such actions from protesters aee not acceptable. Why harass innocents, just because their mainland Chinese? Despicable. If you dare to do so, why wear a mask? Thugs, they are.

    • Jahar

      The protesters don’t see them as innocent. Their very presence there is the act they despise.

      • Alex Dương

        Their very presence there is the act they despise.

        Isn’t this like some people saying all whites are racist?

  • bujiebuke

    Cowardly thugs verbally assaulting women and children while hiding behind face masks. Good to see pictures that capture what these villains are all about. The people who want self-government are not these racist goons.

    I’m waiting for all of the Hong Kong defenders to chime in on how this little girl “deserved it”.

    • Irvin

      They’ll probably say “she drank all our milk!!!”.

      • bujiebuke

        That, and the idiots who argue that Hong Konger’s “are pushed” to act in these despicable ways.

        • Irvin

          They’re just being dumb, you realized how much money they could’ve made if they encourage instead of condemn mainlanders buying their milk powder?

          • bujiebuke

            I don’t know an exact figure but I have been writing and saying that very line of thought – Hong Kong is missing a great economic opportunity by focusing too much on backwards ethnocentric ideas rather than solving an apparent supply and demand issue.

    • Mighty曹

      The more I watch the video the more I wish I were there to kick those mofos in the face. Although I did hear one man saying, “don’t scare the little girl” and that nice lady who wiped the little girl’s tear, it was still infuriating to watch. Especially when they said, “Don’t act pitiful”.

      • bujiebuke

        That’s true. It’s unfortunate that certain groups of Hong Kongers would rather focus on their own belief in racial/ethnic superiority over the desire for freedom of self government. This does nothing but delegitimize an otherwise worthy cause.

        • Mighty曹

          There’s a smart way and a dumb way to protest. Most protests here are done to disrupt the mass’s daily lives such as stopping the transit, blocking of the freeways, etc. Instead of gaining my sympathy for their cause they managed to garner my hatred toward them. Classic case of ‘back fire’.

  • Irvin

    Picking on women and children, hiding behind mask…..have they no conviction?

    And what are they fighting for? Independence? Their own country? Democracy? I’ve seen people sacrificed more for less, just the other day, some dude self immolate just to protect his house from chengguan. Another dude fought off 10 chengguan with a spoon just to protect his tofu cart.

    Until they make a bonfire fuel by their own bodies, I’m not gonna take them seriously.

  • Mighty曹

    I understand the HKer’s frustration but terrorizing kids and the elderly is unacceptable. They’re othing more than a bunch of cowards without a clear set of plans to voice their displeasure.

    • chucky3176

      Other then the rude mainland visitors, why are the Hong Kong people so angry? Surely it can’t just be the rude tourists, and there’s got to be more reason?

      • takasar1

        its because their economy is gone to the dogs pretty much. they used to be special, ‘the gateway to china’, now they’re at a point where in a decade shanghai, shenzhen and so on will overtake them in almost all indexes. when unemployment rises, economic growth and incomes stagnate, people begin looking for scapegoats

        • Mighty曹

          With the bubble about to burst and the economy already staled you may have just described China’s future.

          • takasar1

            china’s bubble burst last year. growth is still 7% though. incomes have risen enormously, the middle class is set to grow rapidly still. food prices and inflation have fallen, spending power has increased. the fact is that people get pissed when their wealth and opportunities is less than that of the previous generation. the current chinese generation will easily surpass the previous generation. its only a question of degree and extent. hong kong however, is languishing. incomes and growth are stagnant, housing is ridiculously over-priced and so on. the young people have realised that their chance of surpassing their elders and living better lives, may not come to pass.

            in about a decade, who sees hong kong as being anywhere near as important as it is today, in fact, even today, it isnt anywhere near as prominent in the chinese economic calculus as it was in 2005. the danger for HK is that as china learns from it, copies its institution and turns shanghai and shenzhen into larger scale versions, then hong kong becomes ‘just another’ city. wouldnt be surprised if it is then merged into guangdong…

          • Mighty曹

            The real estate bubble seemed to have burst. But the economy bubble as a whole has yet to burst. However, the Chinese gov’t (being one of the smartest on the planet) recognizes it and have already put measures in place. Xi’s crackdown on corruption seems to be related to one of many measures. Whether or not those are enough to steer the course remains to be seen. Currently, most ‘experts’ agree that China’s future isn’t as rosy as it could be.

            So, it’ll be very interesting to follow the development for the next few years.

            Some interesting read:
            http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/03/economist-explains-8

            http://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/1731369/china-likely-end-former-would-be-superpower-says-ex-goldman

          • Nat

            “…hong kong however, is languishing. incomes and growth are stagnant, housing is ridiculously over-priced and so on. the young people have realised that their chance of surpassing their elders and living better lives, may not come to pass.”

            I think Singapore has the exact same problems. Singapore also has a problem with too much foreigners, PRC or otherwise (but especially PRC.) But I don’t think you will see this sort of thuggish behaviour among Singaporeans (?)

        • FYIADragoon

          I work in Shanghai in actual business and I can tell you that Shanghai will never replace HK. I doubt the situation in Shenzhen is any different seeing as Shanghai is the business capital of the mainland. It’s like saying a 2nd tier city will ever have a chance of replacing NYC in the US or London in the UK. HK is in for some difficult times, but Shanghai and Shenzhen won’t be overtaking it.

          • steviewah

            Shanghai will replace HK as the main financial hub.

          • FYIADragoon

            Say it a hundred times, it won’t change the facts.

          • takasar1

            shanghai will replace HK as the financial capital of china. just wait til the capital account is liberalised and the ‘banned list’ in the ftz gets smaller. it ain’t gonna be pretty for hong kong.

            not exactly…. that’s like someone in the early 1900s saying NYC didnt have a chance of replacing london as the world’s major city. fact is that as china grows and eventually becomes the world’s largest economy, not too many people would bet on a mainland city NOT attaining alpha status

          • FYIADragoon

            As long as mainland China’s judicial systems remain as corrupt and biased as they are, no foreign company will be establishing an HQ there without having something in Hong Kong first. You play out of Hong Kong and you get to deal with the same business norms that you’d have in London or NYC. You play in Shanghai and you play by Chinese rules. Now, if the CCP successfully crushes Hong Kong’s current degree of autonomy and turns them into a carbon copy of Shenzhen, I would bet on Shanghai taking over. But that’s wishful thinking. As long as Shanghai remains a mainland city, it will never be top dog. For an analogy, it will always be the Chicago to Hong Kong’s New York. The most important financial hub on the mainland will always be Shanghai (although due to the connection of the banks to the government, one might argue Beijing is), but that’s it.

          • Kai

            Anytime you play WITH the mainland Chinese market, you play by Chinese rules, whether you play out of Hong Kong or not.

            Any sense of security or of knowing what to expect by being based in HK is a false one, unless you’re only dealing with the local HK market.

            I don’t think it is wise to bet against the possibility of a mainland city like Shanghai surpassing Hong Kong. Never say never and all that.

      • Mighty曹

        Youtube “mainland Chinese; rude; Hong Kong” and you’ll understand the anger and hatred. While visiting Hong Kong I’ve yelled at mainlanders on a couple occasions for cutting in line. Time Square had to employ a staff to maintain an orderly line with que posts/ropes as they have no concept of standing in line and to wait for people to exit. (In Shenzen the instant the elevator door is open people start shoving their way in and out). It’s fucking ridiculous!

        All the unruly manners plus constantly being subjected to mainlander parents allowing kids to urinate and defecate on the streets have finally boiled over.

        • Nat

          No, I don’t understand it at all. Get angry at the queue-cutters and the street-shitters all you want, but why take it out on an innocent little girl or old man? It’s fucking juvenile, no excuses.

          • Alex Dương

            They just wanted some easy targets to pick on, guilty or not. I understand the anger, but this is not the way to let it out.

          • Mighty曹

            I understand the reason but I don’t understand the reaction.

      • Kai

        There is a long list of HK grievances against mainlanders. Uncouth behavior by mainlanders is one thing, but that typically results in criticism and developing contempt and prejudice.

        The stated grievance with these protests and incidents here involve parallel trading. There should be a link to the relevant Wikipedia article in the translated article where you can read up on it. Simplified, many local HKers dislike mainlanders who cross the border to purchase cheaper goods on their side of the border to bring back to the mainland.

        They argue that this has directly resulted in upward pressure on local prices, meaning certain goods are now more expensive than they used to be, and this hits the locals’ pocket. They also argue that it has resulted in shortages, meaning locals can’t buy goods they want to buy. They also dislike the presence of these parallel traders, arguing that they create congestion at local retail outlets, sidewalks, and public transportation systems, as well as at the border, all of which are eyesores and daily inconveniences to the lives of locals.

        Hope this sheds some light on the issue for you.

  • Mighty曹

    True to a point. I’m sure your friend was in a touristsy part of town. Had it been a local area like Mong Kok things would have turned out differently.

  • Bing

    finally, THUGS!! well done.
    i used to be very worried about the protest like this until i saw this picture.
    see how thin and weak they are.

  • Raymond

    I wonder if some of these “protesters” were hired to go around doing this. And why don’t these punks show their faces instead of hiding behind masks?

  • Guest

    Not pretty to see, of course, but this is a symptom of something larger. HKers are getting angrier by the day.

  • Stefan

    This just shows that the real rude people are the Hong Kongers.

    • Jahar

      Cuz it can’t be both.

  • Hong Kong is becoming more and more like the mainland every single day lol

  • Alan Dale Brown

    It’s pretty bad … but what’s with all the cameras? There’s a half-dozen people taking pictures of this conflict. Obviously, there was the original video was off a cellphone, but this is like a media event … it would seem that the presence of cameras would’ve had an influence. See https://youtu.be/ME4IcjjY7Uw?t=2m46s

    • Jahar

      Seems like everyone has a camera except the woman and the guy who’s hiding his face.

    • Kai

      There’s a prevalance of cameras in pretty much any public disturbance. Blame technology and people’s tendency to rubberneck.

  • crimsonarmor

    To all you CHINESE in hk, you are and have and will always be chinese in the eyes of the rest of the world. I’m British and if I ever went to HK which I wouldn’t cause theres nothing there I can’t get in Shanghai let alone my home in London, I would only see Chinese faces not hongkongers not shanghhainese, not dongbei people. Wake up you dodos, you will never be anything but Chinese, so to differentiate yourself from the mainlanders will not help change anything. And according to history most of you during the Japan invasion were living in mainland anyway and ran off and set up roots in HK. So stop fooling yourself unless you want XI Jing Ping to cancel this idea of one country, two systems” policy which I hope he does bcause I will be supporting him when he declares martial law and sends the troops in because when you start to abuse innocent people especially women and children you lower yourself to that of a pig. What a bunch of cowards making a little girl cry, that is unforgivable. I hope this news gets to Xi so he does something about it because now this has gone too far. Wearing masks to hide yourself won’t help, it just proves you are cowards.

    • KamikaziPilot

      I think you just made all 7+ million HKers depressed that they’ll never be considered anything but Chinese.

      • takasar1

        their problem. you can’t go on claiming yourselves as the inheritors of chinese culture or some sh*t like that and then consider yourselves ‘western’. it ain’t on. anybody who seems them automatically thinks ‘ch*nk/chinaman/chinese’

        • Jahar

          It depends on whether you think of Chinese as a nationality or an ethnicity, and mainlanders thing of them as the same thing.

    • Alex Dương

      HKers should differentiate themselves from the mainlanders to lead by example or simply because orderly queuing etc. are the right things to do anyway. But the motivation should not be because doing so makes them less Chinese.

      • crimsonarmor

        They cant differentiate themselves because the rest of the world only sees one thing! That chinese face. So anyone thinking they are a different breed of Chinese are just living in a fantasy world. Additionally is abusing a mother and child to tears leading a good example of people in hong kong?
        What a joke! Why don’t you all use that energy to do something positive, Britain will never be a part of hong kong so stop dreaming of being a part of us cause you never will be. Face facts, you are and have always been and will always be Chinese people living in the city called hong kong, no different from any other city in China. And waving colonial flags won’t make you any different. Deal with it!

        • Alex Dương

          I think this behavior was disgraceful. I also agree that Hong Kong will never be British again. I think it is foolish to wave the colonial flag because the British betrayed the Hongkongers during the handover negotiations.

          But none of this means that the HKers should not try to behave better than the mainlanders. As I said, if nothing else, orderly queuing etc. is simply the right thing to do.

          • crimsonarmor

            How did the british betray hk during the hand over? Orderly queing has got nothing to do with this news article. As the title says harass mainlanders. They

          • Alex Dương

            The British refused to grant British citizenship to all HKers. HK “British Dependent Territories Citizens” were given “British National (Overseas)” status, but that did not give them British citizenship and so they did not have the right to live and work in the U.K. That’s definitely betrayal in my book.

            I mention orderly queuing as an example of a good behavior that the HKers should strive to continue, if only because it is the right thing to do. Clearly, harassing mainlanders is bad behavior, and they should not be doing that.

    • Jahar

      You say that to people in Taiwan too? Are they all Chinese? I guess Americans, Canadians and Aussies are all Brits too eh?

      • crimsonarmor

        well me being English from Britain as in white caucasian parents yes I would say that to a person who has a Chinese face, your passport may say you are American but your face shows you are chinese. just like black people in america, they are called african american. or some chinese may be known as abc or bbc, but you are all still chinese no matter how much you dont want to be, which ever region you are. all the pastic surgey you get to change your eyes and nose in korea wont make you look more like a foreigner no matter how much you try. I have lots of chinese friends and they often wonder why chinese hate being chinese. have some pride for yourself!

        • Alex Dương

          yes I would say that to a person who has a Chinese face, your passport may say you are American but your face shows you are chinese. just like black people in america, they are called african american. or some chinese may be known as abc or bbc, but you are all still chinese no matter how much you dont want to be, which ever region you are.

          The difference is that the U.S. is a nation of immigrants; the U.K. is not. If you wanna go full “nationality = ethnicity,” then the only real Americans are the American Indians. White Americans are not more American than black Americans or Asian Americans.

          • Mighty曹

            He doesn’t even understand the simple fact that a passport merely states the person’s ‘nationality’, which he’s obviously mistaken as ‘ethnicity’.

          • Alex Dương

            I dunno if he’s coming from a British National Party “nationality is ethnicity” standpoint.

          • Mighty曹

            Then the Scots, Welsh, and Irish must also be separated from the English. So what is British then?

          • Alex Dương

            I’ve always understood British as encompassing English, Scots, and Welsh (but not Irish, hence the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

          • Mighty曹

            Because of the topic being “nationality is ethnicity” I was pointing out the various components that make up the core British, which includes Irish. Not extending it to the Republic of Ireland. Irish in Northern Ireland consider themselves and speak Irish, right?
            Therefore, I was raising the question to @crimsonarmor:disqus ‘s ignorant declaration that nationality equals ethnicity by asking what British is? If British = ethnicity then does it mean Scots, Welsh, English and Irish are one in the same? No.

          • Alex Dương

            Unsurprisingly, that kind of ideology is riddled with holes.

          • Mighty曹

            He sounds like a skin head. lol

          • takasar1

            lets not go that far, i don’t think we should be throwing around such words for no reason. i get where the man is coming from. i study in London. the british are the ‘call a spade a spade’ types, as far as i can tell and the guy has a point. nobody is going to/should discriminate against you for being chinese by blood, but no amount of political correctness is going to convince them to call you caucasian or black. accept it and be proud, that’s how i read his post. there are native brits, asian brits, irish brits, eu brits and tons of other kinds here and trust me, i’ve lived in america for a while too, in britain you don’t get much racism at all. i’m not just talking london, but up in birmingham and manchester too.

          • Alex Dương

            nobody is going to/should discriminate against you for being chinese by blood, but no amount of political correctness is going to convince them to call you caucasian or black. accept it and be proud, that’s how i read his post.

            I agree that HKers, Chinese more generally, or hell anyone for that matter shouldn’t behave better because they think doing so will make them be seen as “white.” That’s ridiculous and just a messed up case of Pinkerton’s Syndrome.

            But this doesn’t mean that in this case, HKers shouldn’t even bother trying to be polite because the world will always see them as Chinese. That’s also ridiculous.

          • Mighty曹

            Meant to be funny as indicated by ‘lol’ but… reading his statement, which was more like a rant, makes me think otherwise.

        • Mighty曹

          For you, ignorance is truly bliss.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Yeah, we humans are pretty superficial people. Also agree that in general Chinese feel inferior (to westerners), but when they’re around “inferior” (ex. Southeast Asians) people, then they’re very proud to be Chinese.

    • Mighty曹

      WTF?? The sentiment is not about wanting to look different from the mainlanders.

  • stevelaudig

    Thoughtless ignorant youths doing stupider things. They look both well-fed and well-dressed someone is supporting them. Perhaps they are old enough to support themselves. These are what the USG looks for in manipulable people. In the Ukraine the US [or the US taxpayer supported and guided and advised NGOs] would pay them to “demonstrate”. “Re-education camps”, for them would, in fact, be education camps. They don’t really know anything and most, if they had to show their faces wouldn’t, have the balls. Masks hide a coward’s face. Fine political statement though bullying children into tears. Something to be proud of. These fine young men are pussies in the old American sense of the word. cheers.

  • Rei Yu Tian

    HK people are just overall salty about mainlanders coming ahead of them in the economic game. They can no longer boast about having more money than mainlanders, so they shift their tactics to boasting about them being “well-mannered & civilized”

    It seems Hong Kong people are not that “civilized” after all

  • takasar1

    that excuses this entirely…

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    “Actually, if they don’t want us to boost their economy, and we still want to save money when shopping, we can go to Macau, right?”

    No, they don’t want you in Macau either. Macau is ahead of HK in working to limit Mainland visitors.

  • KamikaziPilot

    Nothing new here folks, Chinese being racist to other Chinese, the easiest targets. HKers aren’t Chinese? Yeah, I guess they’re Extra Terrestrials. Seems like every month CSmack runs one of these stories. BBLLLAAAAAAAAATTTTT!!!!!!

    • 宋易

      They’re just running whats popular on Netease and Sina. All it means is mainlanders are getting their panties in a bunch over…. well, nothing.

      • KamikaziPilot

        Yeah, I know, I just find it pathetic. It’s like they have nothing else that interests them. I think they (both mainlanders and HKers) have to try to find conflict with someone so they can feel superior to someone, to compensate for their low self-esteem.

  • KamikaziPilot

    Wish Yao Ming were there, he’d swat them like the flies they are.

    • Jahar

      Then he would fall down and break both his ankles.

      • KamikaziPilot

        Ouch! Did you have to go there, haha. But he has a higher cause now, he’s saving wildlife around the world. Good for him.

  • Ozymandias

    I dont want to sound racist or something..but im curious ..how they distinguish the mainlanders from the people in hong kong?…

    • FYIADragoon

      Well I personally think Cantonese look somewhat different to begin with, but you can also distinguish by the fact that they don’t speak Cantonese (and even the ones that do, so I’ve been told, speak with a bit of an accent).

      • Ozymandias

        ok brother ..understood :) still a shame that behavior though :(

    • 宋易

      I’m white American.

      Typically, it is not very difficult for me to walk into a foreigner bar in China and pick out the white Europeans from white Americans, before you even hear them speak.

      Furthermore, its often easy to distinguish black Americans from native Africans.

      There’s more to appearance than just race. :-)

      • Ozymandias

        Is easy to pick a white european between one coming from norway and another coming from italy..that`s sure…. but between a chinese mainlander and another one from hong kong? what are the aspect in which the diference remarks herself? ..thats my question..

        • left nut

          For me, I can tell the differences based on style of dress, hair cut and body language.

          Secondary (more confirmation of differences) accent and language abilities. HK slang differs from slang in PRC (Cantonese speaking regions).

          This also applies to Japanese vs Niseh, Koreans vs eeseh, African’s vs African Americans vs Jamaicans and so on.

          • Ozymandias

            That was exactly the point of my question… Thank Left :)

          • left nut

            NP!

          • Jahar

            Can add hairstyles to the list. I’m assuming body language will include posture and mannerisms as well. And any manners.

            edit: oops just saw you have hair cuts in there.

          • left nut

            Exactly! posture, use of hands when expressing themselves verbally.

            Manners are indeed an indicator as well!

            NP! on the haircut/style. =P

        • 宋易

          A lot of it is in posture, facial expression, healthfulness, and clothing.

          Spend 3 or 4 days in Hong Kong interacting directly with people, then go to Luohu or Lok Wu, hop on the Shenzhen metro… its like night and fuckin’ day man. Men dressed in cheap suits, women dressed like prostitutes…. Mainlanders look unhealthy compared to Hong Kongers, their posture is slumped, they frown not just with their mouth but with their whole face. Their hairstyles are different. Its generally not very difficult to tell them apart, but some will fool you .

          • Jahar

            Mainlanders look like they grew up poor.

          • Mighty曹

            Most seem to have greasy hair.

      • Jahar

        Foreigner bar? You sure you’re American? That’s Chinese talk if I’ve ever heard it.

        • 宋易

          Oh man, I’m a teacher, so if I don’t speak Chinglish, people I work with don’t understand me.

    • takasar1

      general rule is that in the north they’re bigger and in the south (HK) they’re smaller

      • left nut

        North vs South… you are correct. However I think Ozy is referring to the differences between Guagzhou and HK people. Where the difference are less pronounced.

    • Jahar

      If you see someone eating and walking around, pushing people out of their way, standing or stopping and blocking the way to walk, and dressing like they just grabbed random clothes out of a pile, shitting on the subway, then these are mainland Chinese.

      • Ozymandias

        Start showing respect for people if you want to be respected…do not generalize a country for a few…you should know that very well JAHAR :P

        • Jahar

          I’m not generalizing. If you see people doing those things, they are mainlanders, not HKers. I don’t know why you think I should know that any more than others OZYMANDIAS.

  • Lazybearlars

    Chinese going absolutely bat shit crazy because in an isolated incident HKers are verbally abusing [not physically] a Mainlander. No offence but how often do you hear the ‘laowai’ term muttered in an aggressive and non friendly way? Should we immediately cry, call the police etc?

    And then there were families of the MAlaysian flight harassing and badgering the employees for months and months on end outside the Embassy or Govt buildings in KL.

    • middle finger

      OMG you just compared you’re being called laowai in China to this situation? White people are damn so sensitive and stupi

  • Balkan

    This is disgusting. How “brave” you need to be to force a young woman into defending herself just for being there and make a little girl burst into tears? If those “rightful youths” are convinced what they’re doing is right, why are they hiding behind masks? Is is because they could be charged with abuse of regular people just because they’re from the mainland China? Come on, “rightful” and “brave” people, take off your masks!

    I strongly believe that these assaults are organized by someone who means no good to anyone.

  • Dawei

    As so often when things turn ugly there is a raft of name calling on both sides. The truth of all this is that there is no real way Hong Kong people have any sort of say in how their SAR is Governed. The whole system was deliberately setup (originally by the British) to ensure that the Government and business interests held the majority interest in affairs. There has always been a fear of rule by popularism.

    Last year we had over 61 million tourists for a population of just over 7 million. 47 million of which were from the mainland (HK Tourism Board). To put that in perspective the USA only had 34 million forigen tourists in 2014 for a population of over 300 million. The average mainland tourist stays 3.5 days and so this equates to on average raising HK population by 47/104 = 0.5 million or 7 percent. As you all will know HK is one of the most density populated parts of the planet so 7% is a big deal.

    Basically everyone at every level of society is sick of the flood, the inconvenience in getting around, tripping over wheeled suitcases, crowded border crossing with aunties pulling huge trolleys, disappearance of local retailers that are replaced by luxury good shops and pharmacies. The only ones who like all this are the retailers, landlords who both take the margin. the workers are paid the same they would if they worked in a local retailer more or less.

    With no say politically, and the clear demonstration that peaceful protests does not seem to have done much in the way of swaying those on power, pressure is building and some members of society are taking more acute action.

    I do think the Mainland and the HK Gov are actually helping to radicalise society through their lack of responsiveness. Their great fear in my opinion is not Hong Kong stability but China stability and they would rather see HK seeing some trouble than give to the rest of China an example of “Universal Suffrage” working on Chinese soil.

    QED the reality is that there will be no significant political change that would give HK people more of a voice and I do think that now most people realise that. They have learned one thing from their brothers across the border and that is that a squeaky wheel gets oil.

    • Alex Dương

      So how will harassing tourists “sway those in power”?

  • FYIADragoon

    Highly doubtful. Mainland parallel traders are a big issue in HK. These people are taking a more radical stance, but they’ve obviously been pushed to this. If the HK government even pretended to listen to it’s people, this wouldn’t happen.

    • Alex Dương

      How does this “radical stance” do anything to resolve parallel trading?

      • FYIADragoon

        It brings attention to the issue.

        • Alex Dương

          Is that enough, especially if it is bad attention?

          • FYIADragoon

            Publicity is publicity.

          • Alex Dương

            Yes, these tactics bring attention to the issue and give publicity. My point is that they bring BAD attention and BAD publicity, and it’s unclear to me that bad attention and publicity will help resolve the issue of parallel trading.

          • FYIADragoon

            Good or bad, I don’t really think it matters in this situation. As soon as things cool off and Hong Kong gets swept back under the rug, it loses. Parallel trading can only really be stopped by the CCP since they’re the ones that silently encourage it.

          • Alex Dương

            And that’s the thing: I really, really, really doubt harassing tourists in general – and making a little kid cry in this case – will do anything to sway the CCP to stop parallel trading.

          • FYIADragoon

            Once again, no publicity is bad publicity. Please don’t bring up the THINK OF THE CHILDREN! argument.

          • Alex Dương

            And bad publicity is still literally bad publicity. It isn’t going to sway the CCP against parallel trading. And I hope you aren’t actually defending this behavior, “oh, won’t somebody please think of the children?” or not.

          • FYIADragoon

            I really don’t care either way about this behavior. It publicizes the problem and discourages mainland tourism. That’s a step beyond their previous circumstances.

          • Alex Dương

            I think it’s sad you don’t care either way and won’t unequivocally condemn this. No matter how you feel about mainlander tourist behavior or parallel trading, ganging up and harassing a mother and her kid is just cheap. There is nothing laudable about picking on easy targets.

          • FYIADragoon

            I guess I’ll just have to live with not meeting your expectations.

          • Alex Dương

            Of course, you are your own person. You don’t have to care either way about bullying, but that says something about you.

          • gregblandino

            If they are looking to discourage what they consider is an overabundance of mainland tourists coming to HK, they are certainly succeeding. I’ve heard multiple people in Beijing and seen multiple WeChat/weibo posts where people are saying they won’t travel to Hong Kong.

          • Alex Dương

            OK, if that’s their goal, so be it, and I hope they aren’t pretending that this type of behavior will get them any closer to genuine universal suffrage.

          • gregblandino

            I can’t understand Cantonese, so I don’t know if the protestors in this particular case are saying anything about genuine universal suffrage. I’d be loathe to conflate the two issues when they don’t necessarily have a direct connection. But anyways, as propaganda of the deed, this protest, no matter how distasteful, is having the successful effect of discouraging the perceived mainland “invasion” of HK.

  • Neobooper

    They just killed any chance of mainlanders sympathizing with the earlier ‘Umbrella’ cause and any future protests. Central Government like this…… distraction from Japan Hate once in awhile also good

  • Luke the Duke

    A few cases of racist attacks in a country of 1.3 billion = racism, racism everywhere!

    Every country has its idiots. China is nothing special in that regard.

    • Poodle Tooth

      A few cases of racist attacks in a country of 1.3 billion people where maybe 100 million have any regular access to foreigners at all.

      • steviewah

        There are racial attacks in Australia, a country of 23 million, I guess all White people must be racist.

        • Poodle Tooth

          I would characterize Australia’s international reputation on that front as “pretty bad.”

        • Zappa Frank

          Sure there is a problem of racism in white countries and is undeniable.

          • Lol von Random Name

            Most of it has to do with crime and prejudice tbh. 13% of the population is black but they are responsible almost equal the crime rate as the white population even after you control for population. SOME laws unfairly targeted black population, but things like armed robbery is one example where reality can be called racist.

    • Jahar

      a few. yeah.

  • Dark Night

    Its funny to see how easily China’s masses can be manipulated through means of propaganda.

  • 宋易

    1. Why is everyone questioning the masks? This is very common in Mainland China. Its baffling to read the Chinese netizens commenting on this, much less the CS netizens.

    2. “We are all Chinese!” So what? People being the same race or nationality is a reason not to harass them? If you were not Chinese, it would be more acceptable to be harassed?

    3. Mainland Chinese, netizens and the woman/girl directly involved, getting a taste of their own medicine, can’t handle it. Not so nice to gang up on vulnerable people, is it?

    4. The pollution in China is destroying the health of its citizens and the environment in which…. HOLY FUCK, LOOK OVER THERE, A MINOR SCUFFLE AMONGST A FEW PEOPLE IN HONG KONG, AND A CHILD IS CRYING!!! WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS, INSTEAD OF…… instead of….. ???

    5. I would never allow an outsider (the Hong Kongers in the video) to curse it once. Lastly, if you don’t want to be Chinese, then please take up another country’s nationality, as where you are currently living belongs to my country.

    Hong Kongers are outsiders….. Hong Kong belongs to China. What?

    I also really abhor this “my country” crap. We have this in the United States, it exists here in China, and probably most countries. There is no country that is “my country.” There’s a country where you may have been born, raised, live, work, or whatever… there is nothing regarding those things that bestows rights or ownership of anything. Its a backwards concept to talk about “my country.”

    6. “but because of China’s humiliations in recent history”

    You mean, your royal, moronic 20th century fuck ups, of which Taiwan and Hong Kong had little or no part? You wonder why those two places disavow recent Chinese history? You wonder why these two places claim (or want to claim) independence? Because they had nothing to do with your fuck-ups, and they don’t want to start now. God… “humiliations.” Way to pass the buck. Is there any other part of the world where countries talk about “humiliations” instead of “we fucked up”?

    7. Just saw a netizen’s comment that was really good: “Arbitrarily vandalizing and humiliating others in this city, arbitrarily inspecting pedestrians’ things, and for the police and government to not do anything in such a situation, for passersby to treat it as no big deal, for the media to only film and photograph, is this kind of city normal?

    Oh, come on! Seriously? Police doing nothing? Passersby doing nothing? Bystanders taking photos? You’re unfamiliar with this, Mainlander? Really? REALLY?

    8. verbal abuse in the streets, endangering other people’s safety, obstructing/disturbing public order, infringing upon other people’s privacy, with so much video evidence, just where is the law?

    Verbal abuse endangers safety? And what privacy is being violated, this is a completely public area.

    9. The disgust you typically read in comments on CS toward rotten people (like those who block ambulances) or government officials who openly steal huge sums of money or even murder Chinese and get away with it somehow does not even begin to hold a candle to the vitriol you’re reading from mainlanders toward Hong Kongers above.

    What the fuck is their problem?

    Do Mainlanders even give the *slightest* thought to “why are Hong Kongers behaving this way toward us? Why do they feel they aren’t Chinese? Why do they want us to stay out? Why do they not like our government and our country, which we love so much?” Nope. Its just “besiege them, cut their utilities, and let them starve to death.”

    Mainlanders…. what a bunch of fucking assholes.

    • Alex Dương

      Mainland Chinese, netizens and the woman/girl directly involved, getting a taste of their own medicine, can’t handle it.

      Unless you know for a fact that this woman and her kid did this to other people, you’re just advocating vicarious punishment.

    • Jahar

      I like your last paragraph. There’s also an element of, “What? they dislike/hate us? Well fuck them fuckers let’s kill them all!” I’m surprised there’s not more of the hypocritical, “They need to reflect on…” shit. Mainland people need to reflect on their behavior more than anyone I’ve ever heard them say needed to.

    • Kai

      1. It isn’t THAT common. Most people on the streets of China and HK don’t wear masks, air pollution and fear of flu or not. It shouldn’t be evidence that a person is ashamed of the behavior they’re indulging in, but it could be related. All the cS comments echoing this sentiment prove is that the suspicion isn’t something only mainland Chinese people would come up with.

      2. I’m pretty sure she made that appeal in response to being harassed as a mainlander. It isn’t unusual for people to appeal to what they perceive as obvious common ground when faced with antagonism and othering.

      3. I don’t think it is defensible to argue that this Chinese person deserves something bad happening to her just because you have grievances with that other Chinese person.

      4. China has a very large and diverse media ecosystem where tons of stories appear every day, not horribly dissimilar to other countries, making it incredibly unwise to argue that this is some conspiracy to shift the public’s attention from one thing onto another. “The public” is not one monolithic entity that only pays attention to one thing at a time. The people who are paying attention to this are not necessarily the same people who paid attention to Chai Jing’s pollution documentary. Do you even know how this story broke? Where the video and reports first captured any attention? To persuasively prove some sort of conspiracy to deflect attention, you’d at least have to provide evidence that this story was either manufactured or propogated by the mainland government, and there is no real evidence for it. Instead, we have lots of private individuals resharing it on social networks and mainstream portal websites reporting what netizens on social networks have made trending.

      5. The sentiment in that comment is one you’ve seen before. It’s a variation of the “it’s one thing for me to criticize my own but another for an outsider to”, whether that is one’s family, country, etc. In this case, he seems to be referring to these HKers as “outsiders” in line with the analogy because they, well, insisted they aren’t Chinese. So if they aren’t Chinese, the commenter reasons, he won’t tolerate them berating his country, and then procedes to tell them to get out of his country.

      6. I can empathize with your criticism of that netizen’s word choice, but I would hope you could find it in you to empathize with the point that netizen is making.

      7. I again can empathize with your “and you think you’re better” retort, but you know, this also suggests this mainland netizen expected better from Hong Kong, and that’s actually a credit to Hong Kong.

      8. Did you read the other translated reports and watch the other videos above? What you see above is actually only part of what happened as well. The mother and child were only verbally abused, but mainland tourists elsewhere were also physically accosted and arguably assaulted. You saw the video of people kicking mainlanders’ property, right? Or the reports of them demanding to inspect the luggage of mainland tourists they were targeting, hoping to catch them red-handed carting around goods purchased in Hong Kong to bring back to the mainland? That’s invasion of privacy. Who are they to arbitrarily demand that others prove they aren’t parallel traders?

      9. I disagree. While I recognize how much uglier us-vs-them dynamics can be, I’ve seen plenty of worse disgust and vitriol directed at rotten people, precisely because people always find a way to other the target of their contempt. You’re trying to suggest the vitriol is worse because mainlanders are othering Hong Kongers whereas mainlanders consciously remember “rotten people” as mainlanders just like themselves so they are more reserved in their vitriol. That’s not generally true, because rotten people are just as easily othered. On cS, we’ve often seen people othered as people of other provinces replete with their regional stereotypes, as country bumpkins, as the elderly remnant evil of the Cultural Revolution generation, etc. People are incredibly adept at disassociating and generalizing “the other”.

      I think there has been more than enough evidence (on cS and off) that mainlanders have given more than the “slightest” thought to HKers’ grievances against them. Even above, you have mainlanders prefacing their reactions by acknowledging that mainlanders have their shortcomings and faults. Mainland netizens have consistently demonstrated self-criticism and introspection. Sure, not all of them, just like not everyone in the world does in general, but it is not defensible to suggest mainlanders have not, again, because there is so much evidence proving that they have and do, that you surely have read but for some reason do not recall at the moment.

      • 宋易

        1. They probably are trying to conceal their identity under the threat of reprisal, but I think its silly for the netease netizens to pretend its unusual. Its more likely those in cs comments would question it because wearing those masks is extremely uncommon where most white people come from. I see it every day here, and so do you, so why try to say its not?
        2. I understand why she’s saying it. I just think its a small-brained thing to say. I always cringe when I hear characters in movies make inspiring speeches that include “we are all (national identity.)” I hate it forever.
        3. Didn’t say anyone deserved anything, just said they can dish it out but they can’t take it.
        4. Yeah, its a conspiracy! Men in dark, smoke-filled rooms deviously plotting! This thing goes from the top to the bottom! Everyone is involved, no one can be trusted! ::rolls eyes:: Or maybe just standard state-run media practices. You know zhongnanhai is loving these nationalist-fueled disputes in Hong Kong, they love it when its captured on camera and goes viral, you know they’re doing their best to bury the pollution documentary, and you know if they wanted to remove the video on the story above they could and would. You don’t need a directive to steer a story into the spotlight, and you don’t have to stage anything. Thank you SO MUCH for explaining that a day’s news includes more than one story.
        5. I am familiar with the also small-brained sentiment that “its one thing for me…. another for an outsider.” But this guy is calling them outsiders, and then insists their hometown is a part of China. I do not believe he called them outsiders because the HKers said “we are not Chinese.” I believe he said it because he does not like them. The condition of “not being Chinese” is why he suggests leaving China, but it is not the condition by which he claims they are outsiders. Its an infantile response.
        6. The reason I chose to criticize that particular comment is because it is THE slogan for the entire narrative of China’s late 19th-late 20th century, and its dishonest.
        7. I didn’t mean to say “and you think you’re better?” More like, “and you think you’re different?” Chinasmack would lose a great portion of its reports if not for police doing nothing and bystanders taking photos.
        8. So, to interpret a comment on this particular video, I should watch many other videos and read other articles? Why choose to translate/publish a comment that needs to be supported by other information? Oh, right, because upvotes are the most important thing ever in the chinasmack universe.
        9. “Mainland has its faults” is hardly an introspection. At its very best, it acknowledgment, and a very fleeting one at that. I’d love to see a comment on Netease saying “hey, these guys are assholes, but why do you think they’re acting this way? They’ve been isolated from Mainland for generations now. If you have been to Hong Kong, you know its much different from the rest of China because…. and ….. and ……. and….. So, fuck those guys, but know that it helps us as Mainlanders to understand where all of this is coming from.” But I guess if you’re desperate to defend them, you can pretend “mainland has its faults” is the conclusion of labored soul searching that I have just accidentally forgotten.

        • Kai

          1. Some NetEase netizens suspect it is unusual, just as some cS commenters and non-Chinese netizens have as well. My point is that the suspicion itself is not that strange even if it could very well be wrong.

          Just because it is more common to see people wearing face masks here doesn’t mean there isn’t cause to suspect there is an ulterior motive behind the prevalence of face masks in these incidents.

          It’s like the agent provacateur suspicion. We have to acknowledge the possibility in the absence of certainty. If it must be acknowledged that it’s possible that these troublemakers are agent provocateurs, then it must be acknowledged that they may be wearing masks to conceal their identity for ulterior reasons.

          2. That’s fine, as long as you are consistent in your objection to such common-ground seeking behavior regardless of who is doing it.

          3. But you recognize that you’re suggesting that some take it just because they share a common characteristic with others who dish it out, right? So if some Americans dish out hate against me, should I dish out hate at other Americans who didn’t? How do you know the mainlanders who dish it out can’t take it? How do you know those taking it dish it out, right?

          4. The eagerness to presume “state run media practices” is based less on a valid understanding of the Chinese media ecosystem and more on your prejudices against it. You’re starting at a conclusion you want to believe and suggesting this is evidence to support it. It’s circular reasoning.

          You SUSPECT that Zhongnanhai is relishing this story as a distraction from the documentary, but that’s all it is, and it doesn’t reflect an appreciation for the sophistication of the modern media ecosystem. Was Mylie Cyrus’ twerking episode a distraction from something else that was arguably important? Was Washington thanking god that it happened?

          Just because someone arguably benefits from a distraction or shift in public attention doesn’t mean they orchestrated it. You are not fully appreciating the whimsy of public attention. For all you know, there are tons of people who are still focused on Chai Jing’s documentary and don’t give a shit about these incidents in Hong Kong. As I said, the Chinese public is not a monolithic entity with a single eye only capable of paying attention to a single thing at any moment in time. Only under such a presumption would your argument hold any weight, and that presumption is faulty.

          5. I disagree, Our differing fluency in Chinese may account for our difference in interpretation of the netizen’s comment.

          6. I disagree with the implication that China has not suffered “humiliations” in the 19th-20th century. That they are arguably ultimately responsible for some and even much of what they have suffered does not make it false that China has suffered humiliations at the hands of others. I agree that it is irksome to only blame others, but it is also irksome to not be fair.

          7. Similar sentiment, and my point remains. It arguably shows that at least that mainland netizen expected better from HK precisely because it held HK in higher regard.

          8. Well, you should view the actual video it is responding to, which your comment does not suggest you did because what that comment mentioned was featured in the video being responded to.

          9. I understand you want to see a specific kind of response, but unfortunately, what others choose to upvote is not controlled by us. I’d love to see a specific response in cS comments but often the most upvoted comments are not those. I make my peace with it by tnot assuming that the popularity of one sentiment precludes the existence or even popularity of other sentiments.

          For example, do you think the introspective comments made by Hong Kongers about the poor behavior of some of their own are popularly upvoted in Hong Kong? On every HK media site or online community? You’d be foolish to bet on it, so it is arguably likewise foolish to hope that the introspective and rational top the charts with mainlanders, but even more so to think they don’t exist just because they don’t resonate the most.

          I’m not desperate to defend irrational or unfair Chinese netizen comments. I’m just interested in being fair, because I think some of your comments are irrational and unfair as well. I could also easily accuse you of being biased against mainlanders, and your level of vitriol reflects your eagerness to whitewash, excuse, or shift attention away from what some Hong Kongers have done or said. Is this line of argument productive? I don’t think it is, so I’d rather we try to remain impersonal and focus on the fairness and applicability of the remarks we are making.

          In this case, I don’t think it is fair that you’ve read so much introspection and self-criticism by Chinese netizens on especially cS yet your remarks here arguably lump all Chinese netizens as a monolithic entity and give them no credit. You are too wed to the generalization that Chinese people overall are hypocrites who blame others and never themselves. It gets in the way of constructive conversation and prevents you from connecting from the very Chinese people who are liable to introspect and would very reasonably discuss their collective shortcomings honestly if you extended enough respect to them to be fair and measured in your characterization of them as a whole.

  • gregblandino

    Do you live in Beijing and Shanghai? The level of random street agression you get in China is downright mild compared to other places I’ve been in. I’d take those stories of Laowai’s getting assaulted with a grain of salt. The expat media in Beijing and Shanghai generally publishes these stories without contacting the other party or contacting third party witnesses, leading to very one sided accounts (though Chinese media is even worse in this regard.) Generally Chinese people are too absorbed in their own world to be bothered with bashing “foreigners.”

    The only exception to that being a couple of years back when a UK citizen was caught on tape attempting to sexually assault a Chinese girl outside of a subway station and caught a beating. Then, their was a slight uptick in palpable tension in Bejing, but even that was gone in a month or two.

    Considering the amount of nightlife and attached drinking that goes on in these two cities the amount of fights between the foreigners and locals is surpisingly low. Sadly enough, most of the problems I’ve had in Beijing have been with other foreigners.

    • Luke the Duke

      I don’t know about Shanghai but I can confirm the story about the nutters in Beijing. A friend of mine was one of the foreigners who got jumped by them. That gang were straight up just going around targeting random people on the street for attacks, multiple times over a few months.

      Not saying that serious anti-foreigner trouble is a major phenomenon, but I’ve come across a few instances of it in bar areas late at night.

      • gregblandino

        Yea, no, I’m not saying that story was false. It happened in WDK though, and from my personal WDK experiences, you’re way more likely to get your ass kicked by Russians or Kazakhs than by a roving band of wanna be Boxers. And based on the account Anthony Tao gave on his blog, the Aussie that got jumped probably would not have been able to overpower his group of attackers and snatch their whacking sticks if they were Russians or Kazakhs (I don’t have anything against either Russians or Kazakhs, just saying they know how to throw down if necessary.)

        • Luke the Duke

          What did you mean when you said ‘ I’d take those stories of Laowai’s getting assaulted with a grain of salt.’?

          While we’re swapping anecdotal evidence, from my personal WDK experiences my friends and I have pretty much only ever had trouble with Chinese guys.

          • gregblandino

            In the case of the Australian getting jumped in WDK, Anthony Tao at least seemed to have interviewed other witnesses and done the basic groundwork for reporting a news story. That comment was directed at RickyBeijing’s vague “Considering stories I’ve heard recently about Chinese attacking laowai in Beijing and Shanghai, I’d say the xenophobia runs in tandem.” I’m not saying it doesn’t happen or is made up, but stories of widespread attacks on laowai due to xenophobia should be taken with a grain of salt.

          • Luke the Duke

            I mean, not to labour the point but Ricky appears to have been referring to verified stories about things that actually happened.

          • gregblandino

            It’s hard to tell because he didn’t specify anything in his post. I meant not to take the stories of assaults on foreigners too seriously, it’s not some widespread epidemic or something a visitor should be unduly worried about. It’s why I asked if he actually lived in Beijing or Shanghai, because if you live here this issue isn’t really on anybody’s (in my personal circle of friends I guess) radar. Bike theft, moped battery theft (this), pollution (getting better? Winter 2014-2015 was nice), rising cost of living…yea maybe. Roving gangs of Chinese looking to fight foreigners over the honor of their womenfolk….not so much. Anything like what is happening in these videos, with anti foreign protestors, not at all.

          • Luke the Duke

            Oh right. Yeah, init.

            And yeah, the air was awesome this winter :>

          • gregblandino

            Seriously! What a beauty, especially compared to the winter before that was an absolute nightmare.

            Anyways, If your worried about going out in perfect safety in Beijing, I’d think we’d both agree to avoid SLT/Gongti and WDK (also cause they both suck). 东城 is pretty popping, and the hutong hipsters are a peaceful bunch. 幸福村 is too bougie to have much in the way of street violence, but it’s not really my crowd either. Finally, Ritan’s Russian nightlife is all right if that’s your thing, but I can’t vouch for the level of “safety” your going to get..

    • donscarletti

      In China you generally don’t get reports of violent crime going through the media, so you don’t think about it until it happens to an acquaintance. Beijing is just like any other large city, random people get the shit kicked out of them on the street every night, mostly by social deviants, petty criminals and worked up drunk people. Mostly it is Chinese getting beaten up by other Chinese, but sometimes foreigners are involved, probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Foreigners aren’t targeted, but the streets are not particularly safe at night for anyone.

      • gregblandino

        Most media in large cities would not report the scuffles and assaults that the original commentator in this comment thread posted except in the police blotter. As an American, most crime doesn’t appear in the media unless its got some type of man bites dog aspect, or there’s a bodycount.

        Beijing has been the safest large citiy I have lived in by a mile. On just an anecdotal basis, the number of acquaintances that have been in fights/assaulted/robbed here is much lower than in the states.

        There’s no street gangs. No guns that I have seen. Not that many panhandlers, and the panhandlers I have seen are way less aggressive. No dude’s sitting on the stoop getting their drink on from 10 am looking to start shit.

        Yea, there are random assaults and what not, but most of them seem to be centered in “nightlife” areas. I’m sure the chinese side of things is a little bit more wild: I can imagine pretty wild brawls breaking out at some of the shady KTV’s, but at the end of the day most Chinese don’t want to get in a fight with foreginers because they think the cops will be more likely to give a fuck about a crime involving a foreigner.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Agree, anyone who thinks major Chinese cities are even close to as dangerous as their equivalent in western countries, especially America, must have their head in the clouds. Chinese just aren’t as violent as those who live in big American cities. It could be argued as to where xenophobia is worse but as far as racial violence, or violence in general, it’s not even close. Walk at 2 am in the most dangerous part of Beijing and do the same in any American city, it’s obvious where you feel safer. And fights in bar areas are common everywhere, doesn’t make a city dangerous, so I don’t know why people always bring that up.

          • gregblandino

            The danger you confront in China is more people’s negligence and ignorance creating hazards to public safety. It’s scarier to cross the street in the middle of the day then to walk home at night.

          • fakeusername

            In terms of likelihood of being a victim of violent crime across the population, this is true based on available statistical information. However, we talking about a specific subset of violence (Chinese on foreigner), and I have been randomly and aggressively confronted by people in China way more frequently than I ever have in America. Granted I have never lived in Detroit, but in my years living in NYC and major cities in Florida and California I have NEVER been randomly, aggressively confronted by another person. This has happened to me several times in places like Shanghai and Beijing, and my time there has been very limited. Sure, this is only my N=1 experience, but it is enough to inform my perceptions of ‘safety’ and others seem to have had similar experiences.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I totally disagree with you based on both personal experience and what I’ve heard but won’t argue with you as my experience arguing this point leads me to believe everyone has already made up their mind regarding who is more violent and aggressive towards foreigners, Americans or Chinese. Besides, assuming you’re a non-asian, you couldn’t possible know what it’s like the be Asian in the US and for me I can’t know what it’s like to be a non-asian in China and the supposed “aggressive confrontations”.

          • bujiebuke

            One point that I would offer on personal experience is that the attitude of the traveler matters more than societal outlook on foreigners. If your an affable individual minding your own business, then I don’t expect people giving you much trouble white, black or asian. On the other hand, if a foreigner is walking around giving people shit-faced glares, then yes, he might get unwanted attention. That said, I would be surprised anyone would do anything as most people in China mind their own business.

          • fakeusername

            There’s really nothing in my post to disagree with, as I’m not making the claim that one group is more aggressive towards foreigners than the other. I’m only relaying my experience as a [white] American that I have never been confronted violently in the US, whereas this has happened to me several times in China in a comparatively limited amount of time. Perhaps Asians in the US have faced similar problems, and these should be addressed and not undermined, but do not relate directly to what I was saying.

            Anyway, to address your original comparative concern, it is likely true that racial violence is more common in the US. However, for all we know could this could be a product of racial diversity in the US. I am not very shocked when racially homogeneous nations boast having fewer racially motivated crimes than multiracial ones. For all we know, when controlling for ethnic and racial diversity of the population that China has ‘more’ racially motivated violence. This is something worthy of examination, but unfortunately without the data and a solid study it is impossible to say for sure.

          • KamikaziPilot

            I reread your post and I see you never actually said there was a difference in racism, I just thought you were implying it, I misinterpreted your post. True there are many differences between the US and China. Asians make up about 5% of the US population, in China whites far less than 1% and there’s no comparable statistics that I’m aware of. I take it you mean the incidence per capita of foreign residents might be higher in China than the US. I don’t think so but I know it’s possible and there’s really no way to know.

            Another thing I find interesting is that a lot of the supposed victims of racism in China are younger males, what about foreign females and the elderly? Wish I could hear their stories too. Something tells me part of it might be that younger males are involved in certain activities (drinking at bars, nightclubs) that lend themselves to confrontations in general, racist ones included. Here’s an article I posted a while back. While it’s from the UK, I can easily imagine something similar happening in the US. The most heartbreaking part is about the middle aged mother being beaten unconscious purely because she’s Chinese and the authorities refusing to help her. Somehow I find it difficult to believe a group of Chinese men would beat a middle aged white lady unconscious purely for being white and harass their family on a daily basis, but I could be wrong. This is pure hatred, not some drunks looking for a fight.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/30538929

  • steviewah

    It’s a total witch hunt. Guilty without trial. I don’t think the mass majority are like that in HK though.

  • steviewah

    The protestors overplayed their hand on this one, they have to be smart about who they attack. Victimizing civilians isn’t going to solve the issue. I’ve said it before that HK protestors should be fighting for equality and democracy not only for HK but for the Mainland as well. That’s how you win support.