Six Harbin Police Beat To Death University Student

Dead university student body on the street after being beaten by police.

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Law enforcers break the law, hurt and kill people.

October 11, around 10pm at night, six Harbin City railway police beat to death Harbin City Sports Academy student, Lin Songling. At the time, the railway police were in plain clothes had a quarrel with the dead victim Lin, who was waiting for some classmates at entrance to Harbin entertainment center Candy bar/nightclub [Box Club / Club of Box]. Then the six police carried the dead victim Lin to a place 80m away from the bar/nightclub, unclothed the dead victim Lin’s shirt and cruelly beat him to death. They also screamed: “Do you still know people? I will see who you know, there will be no problem even if I beat you to death!” Just like this, the life of a 22-year-old young man who has not yet done anything in life was ended!! Regrettable!!!

Dead university student body on the street after being beaten by police.

Pictures of family, victim, and victim's body on the street.

Comments on NetEase:

A hooligan with a license!!!

Waiting for your resignation.

Ding” this up. if this is true, punish the police. If it isn’t, then punish the “lou zhu.”

Resign, hmph, resigning after beating someone to is enough to solve the problem? At least go to jail. Today is the second day, the body is still on the streets, it will be very difficult to easily resolve this without punishing them.

Use the truth to speak, send this to more media!

Again China, sad, sad ah, with this kind of country, how do you want your citizens to live?

Only anger!
In the morning, the traffic police sealed off the street crime scene (Xi da zhi jie), so cars had to make a detour. There were a huge group of people at the crime scene, also saw wreathes, the surrounding intersections all had traffic police. I specially listened to the traffic report thinking there would be details, but the host only simply said, “‘Xi da zhi jie’ has traffic…”
Just like this, a 22-year-old life is gone…
Savage police!!!

I am a Harbin person…Harbin police and Harbin’s black society are all “TMD” the same~~~
Harbin police meeting Harbin black society is like meeting their grandfather~~~
Fuck their mother, crap attitudes and crap society~~~

It is true, I passed by this morning, there were some people around looking, wreaths placed in the middle of the road, the police surrounding and maintaining order. The dead victim’s body was placed at the side of the road, hope the police are punished severely no matter who was right or wrong. Six police beating one university student, until death, they are even more black than black society. This really makes us ordinary common people feel unsafe. Can this kind of police protect the ordinary common people?

This type of police were trained through torturing prisoners, in prison they use their shoes to beat prisoner’s faces. Coming out, they still believe hitting people and insulting people is correct. This is occupational inertia. This happens a lot, it is not strange.

The impression police give me:
Hooligan scum = one part entered prison + one part became police + one part friends of police.

I have never expressed what I think on a discussion forum, but I must say something now!! I do not know why the media does not go report this matter, a case involving human life is the most important!!! 6 beasts tore off a youth’s upper body clothes and beat him to death. Where is the justice? Do us ordinary people still have any place to voice ourselves!!! This matter happened right near my home, absolutely true. I hope everything with a heart will “ding” this up, so the child will not have died for nothing!!!

Everyone who has a heart, look at this innocent student!! 22-years old and beaten to death by 6 police because of a quarrel!!! They say they have connections, us ordinary people already understand. The Communist Party protect them even if they beat someone to death, and even if they are punished, it will be a joke. Everyone await for this outcome! Just those six police safely and with no problems! Even if we ordinary people have our arguments, we cannot express them clearly!

Did you see that? Beaten to death. They will say they were temporary hires, hahaha! So terrible, the country is what you six and your friends say it is, hahaha. If Chairman Mao was alive, he would execute all of your families!!! Kill even nine generations of your kin! All speaking lies, can you sleep peacefully at night?

Absolutely true, this group of police normally are no different from hooligans, a lot of people in the vicinity looking on all said this. What more, it took from 10pm last night until this morning before the Harbin public security bureau sent someone here. I saw a person in the morning filming the scene, wondering why no one has been sent here yet, was it because it has been blocked off? It really makes me feel indignant. A young life so easily ended, regret! Poor parents, losing their son forever in a blink of an eye!

Tonight, riding the #55 bus line and only after passing by the scene of the incident did I know something this big happened. On the bus, I heard a passenger mention the three occupations (teacher, doctor, police) that people most respected 30 years ago are now the most corrupt. Hearing this was rather profound. I am waiting to see if television programs and these two day’s newspapers can have news about this.

Because there are six who beat one to death; there was one who killed six!

Mother cries after seeing dead son's body.

Flower wreaths placed near scene of crime.

Comments on Mop:

I am here to see how long it will take for this topic to be harmonized [deleted by the authorities].

I feel the police did not do the right thing, according to the law. But that university student is from the Sports Academy, not much different from some minor hooligan. I am a Harbin person, those Sports Academy students are not fit to be called university students.

One less 22-year-old punk. Nothing better to do than going to a nightclub to play, getting into a conflict, I bet he is not a good guy.  Though, I still dislike Northeasterners, they only know how to have damn fights. Our school’s Northeasterners have nothing better to do than have fights. Brainless.

Other than bullying the common people, what else does China’s police know how to do?

Where is Yang Jia?

Give them Sanlu to drink!

This student also was not a “lamp that saves oil” [someone who does not cause trouble]! He went clubbing, went to cause trouble, the problem is not just the police!

Dog eat dog…who wins and who loses.
A university student who drives a luxury car in the middle of night to a nightclub to seduce “MM” is also no one good.

…weird, where is Harbin’s version of a knife murderer…

It is true. Right now all over Harbin people are discussing this incident.

“They also screamed: “Do you still know people? I will see who you know, there will be no problem even if I beat you to death!’” From these words, everyone can see that it was the young man who was looking for trouble at the time…and who provoked who…
But, both sides have fault. If we are going to blame, blame the Northeasterners for their “die but do not bend” attitudes…the result is death…
Actually, if at the time he was not so insolent, the police would not have beaten him to death…

This matter has already become big. Right now, Harbin students are preparing to skip class and go demonstrate!! Yesterday, I already heard of this! I did not think I would see pictures!~

Calling the people’s hero, “Yang Jia.”

Is this China??? No, it cannot be, I believe these things must have happened in the 20th century!! Only in that time period’s society could something like this happen! We are now already a harmonious society, this is impossible! We are now taking big honest steps towards a Communist society!!!

It does not matter who is right or wrong, looking at that mother crying, I think everyone will be moved.

Serves him right. Who told him to open his mouth and say he knew people? American police all often shoot black people to death. Endure it [and do not open your mouth].

Currently, all six policemen have been detained.

UPDATE: Many new posts on BBS forums and a media from Heilongjiang have reported that the dead student, Lin Songling, started the fight with the police officers over car parking. The six police were drunk but initially tried to avoid a fight. However, Lin attacked the six police and threw bricks at them. They responded after this provocation and Lin was beaten to death. Supposedly Lin’s behavior (not afraid of police) is because his family has some “connections.” Many people now feel that Lin was looking for trouble and found it.

UPDATE: For the Heilongjiang television news report that include the surveillance video showing that Lin Songling, the university student, attacked the police and new Chinee netizen reactiosn to this information, please read: Harbin Student Killed By Six Police Started Fight.

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Harbin police fend off onlookers and civilians.

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  1. I’m sensing I’m not getting the fully story here, can ChinaSmack follow-up on this and translate additional news reports and comments that shed light to this incident?

    No doubt this is police brutality, but not sure why a 22 year old would get into a pissing match with 6 people and get beaten to death…

  2. Here is what I gather from reading additional posts on this topic from Sohu (the link provided at the top of this page), not sure if entirely true:

    - The 22 year old’s family is wealthy, bought him a Mercedes-Benz(?) before he even graduated. He’s supposedly a good basketball player.

    - That night, after a birthday party, he went to a nightclub driving his benz but probably because of lack of parking, he parked right at the entrance of the Railway Police building, taking up the police’s spot.

    - Couple of police had a fight with him and he lost, but he brought more people from the club or elsewhere, more police came as well and they fought again

    - Lin’s friends ran away after losing the fight, but the police kept beating him, and he died…

    More to come after I read more posts…

  3. Thank you, SniperWZ.

  4. The fact remains that the bitch-ass Police beat a young man to DEATH. He is dead and they are alive. Young, wealthy or arrogant…doesn’t = death sentence. I hope they all rot.

  5. It would really help to know whether he was really beaten -> did they get in a circle around him and kick him till he died, or was it one unlucky hit? (not defending the police)

    was it more like a few hits and than he dropped- semi-accidental,
    or did he just keep coming back for more -> I’ve also seen police
    drag some scary drunks out of clubs before w/w out shirts on

  6. I did not see apparent bruises around his upper body from the photos shown…but no idea, he might have been hit in the head with a blunt instrument, and left to die, he was still in the streets when people found him, seemed like nobody called for an ambulence, why didn’t his friends come back for him? I guess they weren’t real friends…

  7. @Veer Left: Young, wealthy or arrogant…doesn’t = death sentence.

    But go looking for trouble with a bunch of drunk cops then it does not matter if you are young, wealthy, or arrogant. There’s a good chance you’ll end up dead.

  8. The last time I checked it is a crime to assault law enforcers, is it not?

  9. So the situation was that the police were off duty at the time drinking or something and they came out to fight? Only police I have seen at clubs tend to be security related

  10. 猫(1615):相信大家都看了新闻夜航了吧,视频已经公布了,这回大家就不要吵了。
    打人者可是大学生也!像地痞像暴徒,衣服也是自己脱的,这样的人渣死一万次也不嫌少!视频上看pol.ice开始可没有动手打人,只是挨打,后来pol.ice被打伤才正当防卫。从斗殴到致人死亡时间来看,(死者没有任何外伤)据专业人士分析死者在生前服用过大量viper,又喝了酒,才导致疯狂打人,迅速心率衰竭猝死街头。请大家仔细观看视频(新闻夜航播的案发现场监控录像)在说 。如果法鉴鉴定出死者是内伤致人死亡的:从案发现场监控录像来看这几个pol.ice应当定为,防卫过当处置。如果法鉴鉴定出死者是因饮酒或吸毒再加上剧烈运动所引起的自身脏器损伤导致死亡的,那这个案件属于治安案件,不必追究当事人的刑事责任。

    扑(1660):大家回复之前,请先把视频看一下,别在这里跟风。被打死的这个先后三次出手攻击对方头部,两边的人一直都在劝架。换成是你,你还忍吗?监控录像上可以看出来,已经有个人头部受伤了。死了的那个够倒霉的了,遇到基层pol.ice了。那些pol.ice也够倒霉的,碰到这么个2B,死活说不听了,还不经打。这下都折了。

    Hmm…basically a case of student hooligan meets countryside police and gets roughed up in an unfortunate way

  11. The above post suggest that the 22 year old was drunk and used drugs and picked the fight with the police, who did not at first respond after repeated provocations. I could not translate exactly but it suggested the drugs and alcohol contributed to his death due to a heart condition? Can someone verify? Also there are no visible wounds on the body of the 22 year old, as I noted earlier…

    The post above also refers to a video clip of the incident and news reports, can someone provide links so we can all take a look and make our own judgements?

  12. 扑(1568):其实看到这里
    我们唯一能庆幸的是,这件事没发生在我们自己身上
    如果你们看过视频。
    就能知道换做谁被那小子那样的暴打,身边的人都不能熟视无睹。
    那天晚上我也在酒吧,哈尔滨的。只不过不是一家。

    Z国没有袭警罪
    这是P/L没有示警的原因
    P.L显然是喝过酒之后才去的酒吧。
    而很多人都知道酒后驾车是违犯五条禁令的
    后果可能导致扒皮
    而被害人的行为最多违犯治安管理处罚条例治安拘留。
    如果国外 PL提前示警,这件事可能就会避免过去了。
    我们的制度的确不够完善啊

    wow…is the above true? this must be a truly unfortunate incident

  13. Arrogant young juiced-up punk gets beaten to death by drunk North China cops?

    Wow, what a surprise.

  14. I lived in Harbin for a year and have no problem believing this story. Some of the most aggro, violent thugs I’ve ever seen.

  15. “Without any doubt, these 6 policemen are temporary workers in the post office”, the China News will be reported like this soon….

  16. @Veer Left RE: “Death sentence”

    Are you implying that if you are fighting outside of a club and talking shit about your ‘connections’ and how hooked up you are like a real thug, you didn’t bring the trouble or incite the trouble on yourself? Of course it doesn’t *equal* death sentence, but as with anything, sometimes things go too far and if you are the one who are so arrogant to think nothing will happen to you and prod that incident on like a cocky little bitch then quite frankly, you take that risk and I have absolutely no compassion or pity for people who take on that risk and end up with the shit end of the stick. I do feel bad for that little pricks family, though, who have likely tried to create an angel and ended up with an ass, who is now dead. What a waste.

    @ Lord of the Flies RE: “But go looking for trouble with a bunch of drunk cops then it does not matter if you are young, wealthy, or arrogant. There’s a good chance you’ll end up dead.”

    Agreed, not just go looking for trouble with a bunch of police (likely didn’t know they were police), but if you hang outside clubs at night talking shit to groups of people you’ll likely get your ass handed to you and sometimes it gets out of hand, police or not.

  17. A stupid boy with an air head.
    trying to talk/explain/ to Chinese police= asking for troubles.
    trying to talk/explain to DRUNK Chinese police= asking for death.

    A P.E. student? P.E. students have a great potential to become police men, and this hot tempered, air headed, and tall boy could be a good one, but… he just died too early.

    hey, where is Yang jia? If Yang jia was there, this story would have a different ending.

  18. Why is it we Chinese can never fight fairly one on one? We can only face combat with the backing of many, and a fair fight in China is at least 3-on-1…

  19. Rick, I see it all the time. Especially in China.
    “Who are you!?? You are nobody! I can have you beaten!!”
    It all equates to…
    “My dad knows more cronies than your dad!”

    Yes he was stupid, drunk, etc. This doesn’t equate to it being ok to drag him down the street and kill him.
    Everyone that is saying that they were Policemen and that he should know better is missing THE crucial point. They were in PLAIN CLOTHES… he was just arguing with some goons and they just so happened to be ABOVE THE LAW, and he paid with his life.

    Police should not have to take flack from trouble makers, but they should be controlled. They are officers of the law, not random mafia henchmen.

  20. @Veer
    You’re making MAD MAD speculations. This is an example of why your arguments hold no weight – you go off on rants with little or no foundation and come to conclusions that, given the information we actually have (including most of which being rumor), just doesn’t make sense.

    Plus, they aren’t “above the law” – as the article states all of the policemen have been detained.

    You think some kids fucking with plain clothes police outside a club in LA would turn up alright? They’d get beaten down put in the back of a truck and dropped off in a neighbourhood that would likely leave them robbed or dead. Shit disturbers get their shit disturbed, next on News at 11.

  21. People fucking with plain clothes police in the USA usually DON’T get beaten down.

    They get shot dead.

  22. ^ Absolutely. Cops are pretty much cops everywhere. Thugs with a uniform.

    This young guy picking a fight with (how many?) plain-clothes cops is just plain stupid. He could be dead right by standing his ground and arguing (as is his right) but instead he just wound up dead.

    That’s the trouble with certain people in this country, too proud. This idiot could have just wiped his mouth and walked away to live another day, but his pride got the better of him.

    Not saying the cops are guilt free. They should be charged of course.

    You need more than a little common sense in this country at all times.

  23. Is it more common in the US or China? I thinks China.

  24. The closed circuit video clearly shows he was picking fights with one guy named Qi, who did not respond after repeated provocations, but then the 22 year old had a brick in his hand and then the real fight got started, the 22 year old then had his shirt off somehow and started running away, which then he was chased by somebody (not sure if it’s Qi), I think he was then beaten to death, out of view of the cctv by then.

    I think the 6 railway police should have announced themselves as police and restrained the kid, there were 6 of them, could have easily just held him down until the PSB arrived (who had arresting powers). It seemed like they weren’t sure what to do until it went way out of control and they couldn’t hold back anymore…

  25. It will be interesting to see what happens to the six. Murder requires the action and the intent. Clearly, it was murder, no matter what the boy did. If he has rich parents they will put pressure for justice, either by pay out or punishmment.

    Murder usually means the death penalty here.

    Now, the media has picked it up, the internet is like wildfire.

    But, even my gf believes it was the boy’s fault, he deserved it, after she watched the local propoganda TV news coverage.

    I’ll follow this one and find out what happens to them.

    • “But, even my gf believes it was the boy’s fault, he deserved it, after she watched the local propoganda TV news coverage.”

      I have had talks with educated people in
      China about the Tianan anmen square massacre and they said the same thing. It is how they are educated and “brought up”.

  26. How reliable are these sources? The police, the victim and the chinese government are going to have vast differences in what happened there. Which do people on the bbs forums believe more?

    The update that stated he started the fight is just an example of info that just activated my bullshit alarm.

  27. @pzhang
    Video feeds from CCTV, not just bbs posts. Provoking a police then grabbing a weapon (brick) and continuing to provoke…I would have expected the police to jack him up before he had the brick.

    @SniperWZ
    Your suggestion on what the police should have done makes sense, however, drinking and outside a club with a snot nosed kid acting like a bad ass…combined with the likely not-so-educated but given-some-power police who are used to at least getting face while in uniform…leads me to understand the conclusion. I would be more shocked if the police had done as you suggested than what they actually did.

  28. Can you translate this video also?

    http://you.video.sina.com.cn/b/16661696-1558687200.html

    Don’t make foreigners misunderstand,OK?

  29. Yes, I watched it.

    Quite clearly the last shot was of him running away and being pursued, while his friends were engaged in fights away from him.

    This is the law as we know it in civilized, developed countries:

    Murder. Killing another with intent.

    Manslaughter. Killing with reckless disregard with no intent.

    Defences: self defence – can use reasonable forece in the defence of oneself or another.

    Lack of intent, Kamipeli defence (very rare) lack of intenet due to intoxication.

    He was pursued and beaten to death by six people.

    This is murder.

    Whether he was drunk, drugged, bashed someone with a brick is irrelevant. He was young, drunk proud, like a million other drunk students. This is all irrelevant.

    Civilians would be charged.

    The police should have known better. In civilised countriues they have an extra duty to act professionally at all times.

    This is murder and they should all six receive the death penalty if they were all party to the beating when he was unable to defend himself on the ground.

  30. @Robert Black
    Clearly you’re not too well versed in many western legal cases involving a violent drunken attack on one or more people resulting in the death of the original attacker (with a weapon, being a brick).

  31. just months ago, one man killed 6 policemen in Shanghai, now 6 policemen killed one man in Haerbin…..

  32. Rubbish, I was a criminal defence lawyer from 1988 to 1998.

    The law is simple. (And not what you see on TV or in movies).

    If it was a fight, it would have been fine. Then self-defence may protect them or at least they could raise it. But still, you need to show reasonable force. A brick is hardly a knife or a gun. Anyway more like a rock I think, looked too small to be a brick.

    Death is serious. He was fleeing the attackers. Therefore it becomes an assault. When he died it was manslaughter (with no intent,)or murder with intent to kill.

    They maybe could push for manslaughter but from what the witnesses heard, that defence must fail. Mentioning beating him to death as they were doing it is pretty good evidence to show intent.

  33. Rick… when it comes to getting in or out of problems in China I may have more experience than most. My conjecture is a educated guess born of experience. I’ve seen the Chinese police behave with unnecessary roughness on the drunk, on children, on wai di ren etc… AND with kid gloves on rich middle aged guys who were behaving like enflamed assholes.
    If the POLICE can’t deal with a few skinny, snot nosed punks, they really aren’t much use. Use just enough force necessary to detain, handle, and stop the idiot.
    As a normal citizen, if I responded with massive overkill of force to every taunt I got in the street or in a nightclub etc,etc. I’d likely be in jail by now. Police have to have patience…

    As for his heart exploding in his chest…unlikely. He was 22 years old…not 72. So even if he was on some drugs, he’s not likely to collapse and die. AND IF HE DID, they should have attended to him…not left him in the street.
    Cowardice is 2nd only to murder and both are deserving of severe retribution.

  34. @Robert Black
    People “hearing” him say “I’m going to kill you!” in a drunken fight outside a club, then having the guy die as a result of some hits (not a severe physical beating from the images showing no significant bruising or excessive pummeling) in a fight which he started including using a weapon (a brick or stone is a weapon, it doesn’t have to be a knife or a gun), is not going to yield MURDER[X]. Manslaughter *maybe*. MURDER? criminal defense lawyer? Are you serious? There is no claim that the officers involved used any kind of deadly weapon (or any weapon for that matter) in retaliation, and the physical evidence of a severe and over the top beating are not present in any of the photos or video I see, the kids nose doesn’t even look broken. The difference as you know between a classification of murder[X] and negligent homicide would be intent on death and I don’t think a witness overhearing “I’m going to kill you” as a reply in a fight outside of a club when attacked and provoked multiple times in a group fight would stand up in court to differentiate between negligent homicide/manslaughter and intentional criminal or premed murder. Mitigating circumstances, justifiable homicide in self-defense, unintentional homicide in terms of not meaning to actually *end the pricks life* are all arguable…and the only hard evidence here being video tape and (we can only see bits) photos of the guys corpse all make it an easy, especially in China vs. the police, victory for the defense. By reading posts it also seems the public wont give much of an outcry for such a conclusion as it seems most people blame the kid for being a social disease rather than victim.

  35. My gf just translated the news for me. In fact, it seems the police are dealing with it as any country and it seems there was one ring leader, 3 railway cops, 3 normal cops, argument about parking.

    They are all in jail and the police pathologist and a private pathologist are examining the body.

    She is of the opinion that the one guy may receive the death penalty and the five others punished.

    @Rick the Little Dick in China

    Is that what your students taught you about the law at the kindergarten you teach at?

    Or are you an ex cop?

    Have another Yanjing, UFC Champ.

  36. @Robert Black
    Attempting to belittle me by adding “the little dick” is hardly helping to back up your claims…someone claiming to have been in a professional occupation for a decade. It is becoming of the rest of your amazing social stature – being a teacher in China for a decade+ (whoa, you must be quite old…Act your age.) and making a living bragging about drunken debauchery and prostitution in a $2.50 online book with a target audience of other idiotic teachers who make their way through life on a China teacher’s salary exploiting the darkest parts of society in the developing country they live in.

    People like you are nothing more than contributions to the diseased parts of society. I feel bad for your ‘girlfriend’.

  37. @Rick with the little dick

    Why not post a sensible comment instead of trying to make yourself seem intelligent.

    By girlfriend says she guesses 12cms and a great master de bater.

  38. Thanks for mentioning my novel though:

    The Fake Celebrity in China

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  39. On a more serious note the youngest age of the murdering cops was 28 and the oldest 31.

    You are tough guys killing a 22 year old student with arms barely enough muscle to hurt with a punch.

    If you get acquitted you can go to the UFC and make your fortunes, along with Rick with the Little Dick, ex cop now kindergarten teacher.

    Oh sorry, I forgot, the UFC requires fighters to fight one to one and kind of be brave, fair and manly.

    Hmmmm. Oh those horrible technicalities.

  40. Oh my~~

  41. @Rick with the little dick

    A young guy was killed here, murdered, in a disgusting fashion

    Yet you have the disrespect, the audacity to play, “I know the law more then you, hehe.”

    You fucking piece of shit.

    I wanna see his Mother and his Aunt and his Sister beat you to death.

    Oh, I want to see it.

    You piece of shit.

    You have no respect.

    I bet you are a Canadian.

  42. I think Rick is in IT, and why so much animosity? He merely pointed out the obvious, the kid started the fight, he continually provoked one of the police and he was killed in the fight, there was no intent to murder by the police, that’s obvious; more like voluntary manslaughter, one of them may get life in prison, it’s hard to justify death penalty even in China for this. And like Rick said, public opinion will be firmly against the kid, the public hates corrupt officials, but it also hates the newly rich who throw their weight around.

    Robert Black, how long have you been in China, you never bothered learning the language? I don’t think you should live in an uncvilized country like China, eh, time to make it back to NZ? You sure you still have a valid visa to stay in China? I heard China is trying to get rid of riff raff foreigners who are no longer useful…

  43. one question, officers off duty or on duty?

  44. This is terrible in today’s society. I feel sad for the family and loved one’s of this young man. If this can happen to ordinary Chinese citizen, can you imagine what happens to Ethnic minorities by these same Chinese police and paramilitary force??

  45. One more story about “little emperors” and police brutality. Everyday story in developed countries.
    Although, policemen should be sentenced. You can not enforce law if you breaking the law. They were drunk, they pursue guy, then beat him. Six over one…
    But, if dead guy had had proper education and had been well mannered this would never happened.

  46. It’s so amazing to me to see so much discussion on this story, and almost no discussion of this sort on similar parking spot shootings elsewhere in the world. It is hard to deny the fact that everyone’s infatuated with China, where people do things the old-fashioned way with their hands rather than with guns.

    Did anybody bother to do a search on google on parking space killings?

    http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=280768

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E02E7D7153FF935A25753C1A961958260

    http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/102597/LA0691.htm

  47. Slow down guys…slow down. No need for name calling.

  48. @Tenzin
    Are you the tenz I know?

    @Amazing
    I don’t think people care so much about this single incident so much, but, what it represents – which is the “type” of act that seems to be happening more and more. In fact, I don’t think it’s happening much more frequently, only being heard about more due to internet and media…but that’s an assumption not worth arguing.

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