1950 Communist Propaganda Comic Predicts China 60 Years Later

1950 Communist propaganda comics.

“Great Changes After the Liberation”

A Weibo user by the name of @说书者一枚 posted a comic strip from 1950 comparing the hardship and the injustice of pre-liberation China to that of the “New China” under the leadership of the Communist Party. The subsequently deleted Weibo post described the comic’s portrayal of pre-liberation China that ironically resembled the plight of many Chinese people today – more than 60 years after liberation.

@说书者一枚: In 1950, Huadong Comics published a comic book titled “Great Changes After the Liberation”, the comics within the publication drawn by Zhang Leping, Hong Huang, Mi Gu, Zhang Wenyuan, Han Shangyi, Shen Tongheng, and other famous artists. This publication was intended to “awaken people’s disgust toward imperialists and KMT counterrevolutionaries” – Now when we look at these comics from 60 years ago again, [we realize we’ve] time-traveled, definitely time-traveled [back in time]! Look at the pictures below, strongly recommended!

From the portrayal of working class hardship, to unaffordable housing, to foreigners behaving as they please in China, the problems of pre-liberation China seems to remain very much relevant even to this day. Netizens took note of the shocking similarity by criticizing the lack of progress in the past 60 years with some even claiming they’ve time-traveled into the past.

Full Comic from KDNet:

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Commodity prices (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Commodity prices (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Food prices unaffordable (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Food prices affordable (Now buy one get one free)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.American Dollar (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Renminbi (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Business means bad investment and losing everything (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Business means cooperation and mutual gains (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.No housing and high rent (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Now everyone have a place to live (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Exploitation by the bosses (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Good wages, collective effort (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Low work efficiency and morale (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.High work efficiency and morale (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.High cost of living (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Low cost of living (After Liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Workers were like prisoners (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Workers are the masters (After Liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Worker Oppression (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Worker Liberation (After)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.American imperialist do what they want (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Foreigners now have to obey the law (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Police brutality and corruption (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Police love and respect the people (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Corrupt judicial system (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Fair judicial system (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Corrupt officials (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Selfless cadres (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Unfair taxation (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Fair taxation (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Lack of order and brutal military police (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Social order and disciplined police (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Ruthless soldiers (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Disciplined soldiers (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Gangsters ruled the city (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Now gangsters are productive members of society (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.American culture dominated (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Now people follow the right path (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Brutality in jail and detention (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Discipline and reeducation in jail (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Vulgar and pornographic material rampant (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Literacy, culture and science dominate (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Students have no freedom (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Students have intellectual freedom (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Peasants beaten and oppressed (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Peasants have own land and freedom (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Women have no rights (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Women are equals (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Discrimination against the lower class (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Everyone equal (After liberation)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Oppression from Chiang Kai-shek and American imperialists (Before)

1950 Communist propaganda comics.Days are brighter one year after liberation (After Liberation)

Comments from Sina Weibo (since deleted):

@半轻烟:

If the Blue Sky with a White Sun Flag is changed to the Five Star Flag

@贾俊的空间:

Life is like a TV drama, we are always time-traveling.

@观-不语:

This is not time-traveling, it is reincarnation.

@吴乐仔:

The scenes in the comics perfectly match that of the current situation in Mainland China, and its even worse than during the KMT reactionary regime.

@豆芽Saber:

History always repeats itself.

@jiao_Z:

For comics like these to have appeared back then at least shows there was freedom of speech under the KMT regime…

@恒河演乘:

We’ve time-traveled, without the guarantees of a democratic system, history will always be a vicious cycle, China truly hasn’t progressed at all.

@商品期货套利对冲:

These comic artists are amazing, able to to predict social phenomenon 60 years in the future, incredible…

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  • Brett Hunan

    I especially like the reeducation camp picture of people dancing. That ones true. Ive seen it.

  • DRaY

    haha….. They didnt get around to that corruption thing yet. i guess…

    • Matt Smith

      Or pretty much any of the other comics really.

  • D. Tective

    From where I am on the sofa, looks like things have gone back to pre-revolution– and then some.

    • Brett Hunan

      Looks like your “post comment” button is D. Fective.

      • Ami

        Must’ve been in made in unliberated china

  • Notorious

    I don’t get it.

    • https://en.gravatar.com/davischen Davis

      I don’t get you.

      • the ace of books

        And you never will.

    • Nyancat

      The comics show before and after liberation and the changes that should have been, the irony is that it seem’s nothing has changed after liberation.

      • bjornt

        Actually the changes did happen. But the bandit Deng Little Bottle became a capitalist-roader and destroyed the communist utopia of Mao China!

    • anon

      They’re propaganda, meant to illustrate the changes and improvements to China that the Communists have brought after taking over China from the KMT (who fled to Taiwan). There’s exaggeration, as is common in all forms of propaganda when someone has a vested interest in showing how they’re doing better than those before, but in many ways, the Communists did actually try to tackle and arguably improved things that were considered problems before.

      The irony is that 60 years later, these problems have actually come back and seem stronger than ever. It’s wrong to say things haven’t changed. It’s more like things changed and then changed back, that there were improvements but then regressing. Of course, some of those “improvements” brought problems of their own. One thing you could say is that power corrupts.

      • GhostofYost

        I think Chinese have been mistaking advances in technology for advances in society for a long time. Maybe these comics will open their eyes up a bit.

      • Li RuiKe

        What improvements? As I recollect the last 60 years of China’s history, decade by decade, I see nothing but bondage, violence, starvation, murder, social disruption, corruption, ignorace, arrogance, cowardice, close-mindedness, regression, inhumane treatment of women, children and animals, ravaging of natural resources for personal gain only to flaunt the wealth with foreign luxury cars, waste it on whores and std treatments, or gamble it all away, filthy air, water, and land, irrational fears, faith in witchcraft, eagerness to cut, steal, cheat, lie, swindle, and break contracts, propagandistic media and violent restriction of freedom of speech, tyrrany, fascism, prejudice, bigotry, greed, drunkenness, lawlessness, selfishness, and hate. These are the works of those in power. The people of China are abused by those who rule over them. They are trapped in the world’s largest labor camp, and exploited by their wardens. When was China ever better since communists took over? Never was. Never will be.

        • Dawei

          That is a bit of a shopping list, glad you got it off your chest. Its not all bad, there is the space program and himm…. big huge massive 3rd longest longest river in the world stopping dams and anyway it is all the Japanese and evil foreigners fault so don’t complain too much.

        • Turner

          Are you describing american society with the pile of real bad words used so often in OWS?

      • ADF

        “Come back”?
        These problems have never left!! If the party have ever done to tackle these problem, it is to brainwash their people, trying to convince that they had been living in hell, so comparatively, China, under the party’s ruling is like a paradise. And then they promise a better (and utopia like) future, carry out unfeasible and non-practical plans. Of course, the plan fail eventually, and they brainwash their people again. They are but turning roundabout.

        (sorry for poor english)

    • staylost

      They are saying that China has finally arrived back to where it was nearly a century ago, pre-liberation.

      • asdf

        The only way to escape this vicious cycle is to initiate another liberation movement. Quick we the people must unite and overthrow the corrupt communist Chinese government and set up a “new”, “better”, “free”, “fair”, “democratic” society that can provide us with, “education”, “affordable housing” rainbows, and unicorns! Revolution is our only hope!

        • Dr. Jones Jr.

          You forgot the quotation marks for rainbows and unicorns. You also forgot this word: reform.

          Granted, there may be too few brave souls (i.e. Wen Jiabao sorts) within the Chinese system to make this happen before “the people” decide to pull out the big stick called “revolution”. That big stick is certainly not what reasonable folks hope for; however, reasonable folks also know that there should be an option B should society prove so corrupt it’s unable to reform itself.

    • Alejandro

      before revolution all the things were just like now… do you get it now??

    • PeterScriabin

      Notorious – if you can articulate what it is you don’t get, help is at hand. I don’t pretend to know what you don’t get, so I don’t presume to blab on about 20th century concepts and history in Europe and Asia, with which you may or may not be familiar.

  • dim mak

    Man the KMT should really buy some new flags

    • Chunghwa

      I know right? They’re all so worn, torn and raggy. Didn’t the KMT allocate a part of the budget to getting new flags?

  • Zebadee

    “High work efficiency and morale (After liberation)”

    … Thanks to foreign, not Chinese, companies !

    • Alan

      I also had to roll eyes at this.

      High work efficiency, two hours lunch break?

      • StupidAmerican

        It’s really efficient when you don’t consider all of the hours they aren’t working, and all of the errors you have to correct.

  • Anus Presley

    ‘Peasants beaten and oppressed’ – I saw a recent video filmed inside China just recently that looked just like this – hired thugs used to beat the peasants and steal their land for big business.

    No wonder Weibo decided to delete it. These pictures would cause a shit-storm if they were made widely available in China today.

    • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

      Reminds me of the how two men were arrested for “counter revolutionary activity” for reading out the promises of the 1960 People’s Congress of the USSR in 1980. Weird how pro-revolutionary material becomes counter-revolutionary with age.

      • bert

        The phrase “counter revolutionary” is such a stupid thing to hear. It just sounds retarded.

      • donscarletti

        It is counter-revolutionary. You see, 1980 is after 1960 in case you didn’t realise. Yesterday’s revolution is not today’s, the people more forward, not backwards. Now he’s quoting Khrushchev, tomorrow he’ll be quoting Tsar Peter I, because he’s a counter-revolutionary and that’s the opposite direction to revolution right three.

        Come back when you understand Marxolenistalikruschecbrezhnevism you revisionist fuck.

  • eattot

    typical from shanghai…i do like this type of drawing,not nowadays everywhere cartoon style,so low and stupid.

    • Chunghwa

      I don’t like the art style, not moe-moe enough.

      I want my kawaii uguu~ oppressed people to say “tasukete, CCP onii-chan~~ kyuuuun~~~” to communist onii-chan, to fight off big, bad KMT onii-chan. Then she slips over, and blushingly yells “baka! onii-chan no ecchi~~!” as she covers her dress.

  • glenn

    it’s not that they were able to predict it.. it’s just that problems/situations all over again in different forms and varying degree…

    • anon

      Right, the prediction part was just a joke.

  • Parabellum

    Strange, but this reminds me Animal Farm from Orwell..

  • pc

    American Culture Dominated…. Now people are on the right path (after liberation)

    • tai wai

      American culture IS the right path.

      Look, all this says is that Communism was a failed experiment, a painful blip in the natural order of China. Which we already knew.

      • Chunghwa

        Bible hugging, negro lynching, eating until you’re 300kg, having twenty guns under the bed, liss’nin ta ma homiz rap muzik dat talk ’bout gettin dem wimminz and money, and driving gas-guzzling SUVs – the right path?

        • Chunghwa

          Oh, and just something to think about – when was it that China’s obesity rate began to skyrocket? Before opening and reform, or afterwards? They certainly didn’t have McDonald’s in the 1950s.

          • moop

            they started getting fat because they had more food to eat. has your dumb ass ever seen how badly a lot of parents and grandparents spoil their children? being chubby is still seen as a sign of wealth here

          • Chunghwa

            >being chubby is still seen as a sign of wealth here
            more like a sign of being a complete retard. a loving parent would want to prolong the life expectancy of their children, not fucking halve it. on my 18th, my parents bought me 5kg of whey protein isolate and a barbell set, and told me to hunk the fuck up.

          • moop

            they should have bought you some books instead, cause you’re a full-fledged retard

          • Chunghwa

            >they should have bought you some books instead, cause you’re a full-fledged retard

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement.svg

          • moop

            heh

          • Little Wolf

            Whoa….hold on there. We own our Wal-Mart people…and China is going to have to own theirs.

          • staylost

            So according to Graham, name calling is the foundation of all argumentation, or is he just an asshat who doesn’t understand how a pyramid diagram works?

        • Harland

          Don’t talk about the members of Obama’s church that way. It’s racist.

        • eddie9684

          certainly not that from America, but they could adapt what is good not what is negative, which is what you just stated above.

      • Turner

        Wow, US cultural the right path. You must mean american flag, hollywood kitsch and your mama Hillary’s dress. Loool!

  • staylost

    I think we can take it a bit further too. One of the main criticisms of 蔣介石 in mainland China is that he wouldn’t stand up to his corrupt underlings and betrayed those who did.

    The current case of Mr. Chen carefully illustrates how this method of rule is exemplified by the current powers (whether for their strength or for their weakness).

    It is an interesting crossroads to be at again in China. The United States solved this with extreme legalism and has been largely able to hold the law above those with power, while liberation era China preferred to sweep the entire corrupt system out of existence.

    I’d actually say the liberation method is more just in theory than the American method, but the relative strength of a nation is too pressing a case. It is good that this time around China can forge its way forward in relative strength, rather than weakness.

  • Fu ZhiGao

    Looks like little lasting progress has been made in the end.

    Things for women did improve a bit. No more foot binding or polygamy. Still got 二奶s 小三s and 鸡婆s though, sadly.

    • Chunghwa

      lol get a load of this beta.

      accidentally brush against a woman on a train nowadays and she can scream “RAPE, RAPE, HE MOLESTED ME” and land you ten years in prison. women have too much fucking power, you’re just like the rest of the majority pussy-whipped society.

      furthermore, polygamy benefits women more than men, because in a polygamic society, only the most successful men are able to reproduce, whilst the other men die off, keeping the gene pool free from blemishes. a strong man is more capable of supporting three women, than a useless beta is capable of supporting even one. this is a trait seen within the animal kingdom, in addition to many historic human cultures.

      • Ruaraidh

        Your unironic use of the word ‘beta’ referring to humans, as well as your misunderstanding of evolution and gene pools pretty much guarantees you wouldn’t be in the top 25% of males.

        • moop

          dude has been pumping iron since he was 18 bro, slagging down that protein shake too. he’s totally alpha… except for when he’s on his knees and getting his protein

          • Ruaraidh

            He’s just lashing out at women and society for his inability to get a girlfriend.

            Posting comments like; ‘women have too much fucking power, you’re just like the rest of the majority pussy-whipped society’ equals no pussy for Chunghwa!

            Also, everyone brace yourselves for Chunghwa claiming to have sex on a regular basis. If he wasn’t so frustrated he wouldn’t be grinding against poor unsuspecting girls on the train.

          • Chunghwa

            What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

          • miscbrah

            hahaha, these guys arent aware, nomsaiyin?

          • simon

            chunghwa’s post just made my day

          • mr. wiener

            “Gorilla warfare” ?. Well ,I can see you paid attention in the chest pounding class.

          • Tengu

            I love these. Let’s see what kind of results the Ste Department comes up with…

          • Nyancat

            copypasta

      • Alex

        Chunghwa is one of the few that actually get it.

        Read this:

        http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

        • Chunghwa

          Quite ironic that people actually allow themselves to be brainwashed into accepting this kind of a society:

          http://i.imgur.com/7PeOS.jpg
          http://i.imgur.com/K19wZ.jpg

          • Fu ZhiGao

            A top Navy Seal bragging on Chinasmack? Right.

            You really show your maturity by making death threats over such a small slight. Especially when you were already making fun of what I said. Be prepared for what other less patient people might say to you in coming days.

            I suggest changing your attitude and dropping the macho b.s.

          • laptop warrior says

            laptop warrior all the way!!!!

      • Fu ZhiGao

        Tell me, how tall are the heels you wear to keep you knuckles from dragging on the ground?

        • Chunghwa

          Real funny faggot ass bitch. You think this is a joke? You think giving me lip is a good idea? I’ll fucking murder you.

          Yeah making fun of me is so funny, so funny I forgot to laugh. If you wanna talk like that to me why don’t you come here and say it to me face so I can answer your insults with a swift fist to the nose. Yeah you have a lot to say from hundreds of miles away but I bet if my fists were in reach of your face you would be like a tv on mute with no volume button. So do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you want to die. Next time you think about saying something like that to me I want you to remember one thing. I know the guy that created google maps and I can locate you in the time it took me to type this. Don’t want anymore problems…. didn’t think so faggot. You have any idea what gorilla warfare is? I do, I was in the US Marine Core and I perfected it. I’m fully capable of using it on you motherfuckers. Do you know the dander your in if I find you? I am 100$ serious. Bunch of god damn newfaf loser here and I will not have it. At least I’ve had sex, had girlfriends, and gotten laid, and blowjobbed unlike you virgin piece of unpatriotic SHIT.

          • Z-Dawg

            Soooooo gay…. And wears ladies underwear too – not the nice silk one’s, but the stretchy old grandma style….

          • Turner

            All Americans here must be very proud and relieved that their chief rep has finally come to this fckin place plagued by commie, womao, gays, black and women’s libitch. God bless America!

          • moop

            i’m american and that guys an asshole, but then again so are you turner

          • David

            D- trolling effort. Why do all the losers who never actually served in the military always think they sound tough by saying they did? Try a different gimmick. Also, if you have been blowjobbed I feel sorry for you. The correct verb tense is blown, virgin boy.

      • El Puma R.

        Chunghwa you’re gay, and a liar too.

        I bet you couldn’t even wipe me up playing Counter-Strike 1.6 . How can a person who graduated top in his class post all the shit you just said? I believe I have to start looking down on the navy seals. And you said… 300 confirmed kills? Yeah, right, in Plants Vs. Zombies !

        I don’t know if the term applies to this, but you’re a gay troll !

        • Chunghwa

          WHAT DID YOU FUCKING CALL ME? A FAGGOT? DO YOU FUCKING KN OW WHAT FAGGOT EVEN MEANS? IT MEANS A HOMOSEXUAL. A FUCKING QUEER. A WHOOPSY. A PRANCING LALA FRUITY BOY. YOU COME HERE, AND CALL ME FUCKING THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY GIGABYTES OF PORNOGRAPHY FEATURING ONLY FUCKING !!!FEMALES!! I HAVE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY TIMES A DAY I MASTURBATE TO THIS COLLECTION, HOW MANY HOURS I SPEND EXPANDING IT? NO, NO YOU FUCKING DON’T, YOU JUST COME IN HERE AND MAKE A FUCKING JUDGEMENT ON ME LIKE YOu”RE SOME KIND OF JUDGER OF FAGS WHEN I STILL SMELL OF THE SEMEN FROM JACKING IT TO THE PUSSY OF A FUCKING FEMALE THIS BOARD ISN”T FUCKING /GAY/ ALRIGHT IT’S /JP/, NEWSFLASH, JAPAN HAS SEX TOO, OTHERWISE JAPAN WOULD NOT EXIST AS A FUCKING COUNTRY WITH PEOPLE IN YOU PREJUDICED PIECE OF SHIT

          WHIPE THAT SMILE OFF YOUR FUCKING FACE. I BET I HAVE AT LEAST TEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PICTURES OF VAGINA YOU DO, FAGGOT FAG FAG FRUITY WHOOPSY DOO-DOO LAA LAA SCOUT BOY GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD

          • Chunghwa

            Oops, just realised I shouldn’t have used that copypasta. now I sound bipolar lol

          • Z-Dawg

            Aren’t you the Chungwa who was arrested for having sex with a kitten at high school?

          • Brett Hunan

            That very well may have been the single-most funny thing I have ever read on chimaSMACK.

          • David

            He is just copying and pasting old trolling posts from other sites, Nothing original in any of it.

          • Ashley

            This has to be fake. Absolutely ridiculous and HILARIOUS.

          • Ashley

            This rant must be fake. Absolutely ridiculous and HILARIOUS.

      • eattot

        Chunghwa:
        really?if what you write here is real, i’d dump my fiance then go with you directly…hahahaha!
        what a joke!

        • Alan

          Why is what he wrote a joke?

          Think outside the box a little bit….

        • navighost

          Don’t mind him Eattot, he’s full of it. I, on the other hand, am the real deal.

          • Chunghwa

            My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.

            Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to naked drawn Japanese people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

          • ZapTheSheep

            I thought you said you were a Navy SEAL? No? Just a dumbass high school kid who has played too many CoD games and can’t get any except from his retarded cousin. Sit down, son. You are embarrassing yourself with each additional post.

          • navighost

            Chungwha sure is fun when you poke him, like a foul-mouthed Tickle-me Elmo.

          • moop

            i take back everything i said about chungwha, he’s the coolest dude on the internets

          • Fu ZhiGao

            Oops, I forgot that I had written to you here.

            Hey ChungHwa, after re-reading everything you wrote in the past few days, I just wanted to share a quote with you: “Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive.”

            Have a nice day.

        • Z-Dawg

          Whoah – you are hot!

        • Turner

          Eatot, you have to be behind me in waitng list. You know I love Americans more, lol!

      • Alan

        Feminism is a scourge, and should be punishable by death imho.

        Well said chunghwa I support you.

        • Mercator

          Fauna might want to consider a policy of banning users who spam the comments section with copypastas from 4chan. I’m looking at you Chunghwa.

          • Chunghwa

            No fun allowed?

            In that case, please direct yourself to the cnn.com user comments section then. If you really think the internet is serious business, then homie I got news for you.

      • dim mak

        Haha
        You’re my new favorite person

  • Da Gou

    Wow! I forgot how great things were in China during the 1950’s and 60’s! It’s really a shame we can’t bring all of that part, especially the “buy one get one free” bread during the great leap forward, and the freedom that resulted from no interaction with foreigners during the Cultural Revolution. Ahhh, those were the days…if only we could have them back.

    • Chunghwa

      >In 1950, Huadong Comics published a comic book titled “Great Changes After the Liberation”
      >In 1950
      >1950

      >Great leap forward
      >1950
      >Cultural revolution
      >1950

      What the fuck am I reading. Don’t they teach reading comprehension where you come from?

  • DeVitaVackra

    All good intentions and that’s why I think the CPC is great, they truly want the best for China.

  • najib

    Why the cartoon have no China winning the soccer world cup after communist take over ?
    China football was ahead of Korean and Japan before 1950 even defeat the more richer Japan soccer team in 1920-30an ,in fact it even play in Olimpics in 1936 and 1948 and Taiwan even win Asian Games in 1954 and 1958 against the South Korean after jiang went to Taiwan while the China team fail to shine in world no one sport ,even lose at home to Japan in asian cup 2004.

  • Dripping Third Leg

    I hate communist, I hate corruption and I hate to hate people who hates to hate that hates

    • Medical Advisor

      In every post you post some weird stuff and disappear post posting the post.

    • goodjob

      q(^_^)p hahahahahahahaha~
      Your avatar is the picture that a man have the face of Obama and the dress of MaoZedong

  • radbab

    so when is this liberation going to happen?

  • Ben

    The root of the problem is what they promised was impossible. That is how communism works. They indoctrinate everyone into the idea that if everyone follows their lead, then all problems will be over. No more greed, no more lack of supply… On and on.

    Just take a critical look at what they promised, and you should see where they are contradicting themselves.

    No one will be a slave to work, and working conditions will be great…. But productivity will improve. (Being forced to keep your nose to the grindstone, long hours, and being constantly pushed is what improves productivity.)

    Wages will go up for the workers making the product, but the price of the product will go down. (There is a little problem with that idea.)

    Fair taxation. The people making more (the ones that produce the most) will pay more. (see previous about lowing cost of products) Yet everyone will want to produce more!

    You will have police and military that, are less brutal and oppressive, but you will have an perfect, controlled, and enforced social order. People will be told how to follow the “right path” and the will, just because it’s the “right path”(I am not a brain child here, but something smells fishy.)

    Students will have intellectual freedom. (Unless it contradicts the prestated social order mentioned previously)

    People will have freedom! (to follow the “right path”) But everyone will be forced to be equal. (You have freedom to…. Be exactly like everyone else!!!!!! Brilliant!) And what will everyone do with their new found freedom?…. WORK!!!

    You will get rid of government corruption, at the same time you give that government more power and control over your life. (Bangs head on table!)

    No oppression under the imperialist, just a brighter future under the new communist nation that forces everyone to follow a stated social order where everyone is equal and no one can get richer than anyone else, or have unacceptable control over anyone. (except the people in the government) Where everyone is “free” to follow the “right path”. Where everyone free to work more to produce a product that cost less and less, while making more. (Houston, we have a problem)

    They thought ( and quite correctly too) that people wouldn’t be smart enough to figure out that they was promising them something that can not exist. They made the foreigners the “boogeyman” to scare the population with pure emotion, and pull them over to their side.

    That is the same thing the communist have been trying in the US for decades. All be it with less success.

    • https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php 山炮 ShanPao

      If China was as simple as it is in your mind I think it would be Utopia by now

      • Ben

        Uhhh… What? Where in my post did I imply or indicate the actual social problems that china has are simple?

        I am just pointing out the fact that based on demonstrable real life experience; at worst the goals they lay out are mutually exclusive, or at best heavily contradictory.

        Yes, there are many… many… many.. underlying forces at work, but in the macro view, the general societal effects, and relations, still hold true. In some cases, they are in spite of the general overall trend, in other cases, they are contributing factors that help cause the overall effect.

        • https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php 山炮 ShanPao

          Well basically what I took from your words and continue to take could be applied to any political model around the world. Nothing new there. Nothing specific to socialism. Thats all.

    • DeVitaVackra

      > Wages will go up for the workers making the product, but the price of the product will go down. (There is a little problem with that idea.)

      No, there is no problem with that idea. See, the efficiency creating products increases, consequentialy the cost producing said products decreases.

      Why you do not see this happening in supposedly free markets with fiat money controlled by central banks, is an entirely different subject.

      • Ben

        There we go again… Believing that the communist system will make workers more efficient. I admit, it’s one of the key concepts in communism that is used to push the rest of the crap.

        The problem is the rest of the stuff that communism does, pretty much guaranty that worker efficiency/output, and thusly, the rest of the entire communist concept will take a nosedive. The communist idea tries to ignore basic human traits. When you try to ignore reality, then you are bound to fail.

        I would have thought by now, after the entire world seen the real world effects of communism on “worker productivity” in the USSR, that they would know why that basic tenant is a pipe dream.

        The primary incentive to be productive is that you will make money. The primary incentive to be more productive is you will make more money than other people. The primary incentive to be inventive and start your own business to out produce and outsell everyone else is that you want to be rich.

        If people are told that no mater how hard they work, or what they create, they will still have as much as everyone else has in the end of the day….. Then why would I even get off my freaking butt? The answer is … I won’t!

        Yes, the ones that design the next great car engine may get a plaque that honors their contribution to the state. That may work for some, but it doesn’t work for most. The reason they invent the new engine is to make them selves rich, which the communist system doesn’t allow, so they may have the idea, but they never peruse it because… what’s the point?

        That right there is the reason they went 60 years without progressing. 60 years in a virtual time warp.

        • https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php 山炮 ShanPao

          Basic human traits? DNA contains very little of ourselves really. Lots of things to do with our appearance and chemistry but 99% of human behaviours/interests/desires etc are learnt from the culture we are brought into the world from whether thats the family culture, national culture etc etc. If you redesign that culture then overtime the humans who live in it will also change (thus socialism was born) – this would probably take lifetimes.

          Anyway, this is all nonsense talk as people seem to be missing the point of these cartoons – they are PROPAGANDA and not real predictions of the ZF. They were (yes in the past) used to drum up support for the cause and not to provide truthful outcomes. Then it would not be propaganda would it?

          Don’t use so many clichés and try to use points that you can actually back up.

          • Ben

            Yes! Basic human traits. Traits that are ingrained into our DNA. During the great enlightening, they tried to cram into everyone’s mind that every behavior is learnt from the world outside. They said that any undesirable trait could be eradicated by controlling the environment that the person grows up in. (I have heard all that crap before.)

            As reality has demonstrated time and time again, that is a fallacy.

            As science digs more into the very DNA that makes us up, they are finding that there is a lot more genetic forcing of behavior than people want to realize.

            We are animals too. We exhibit the same traits as every other animal on this planet.

            But when people bring up the point that there is certain human tendencies that can’t be educated out of us, no mater how controlled the upbringing. Tendencies that we need to accept as fact, and learn to live with. When you try to point that out to the modern communist/socialist/liberal they just go berserk. Because that very notion destroys their world view. All those ideologies are built on the idea that nurture is the only real factor in the nurture vs nature argument. No mater what evidence you point to to back up the fact that nature (DNA) is a heavy part of what affects our behavior as humans, they denounce you and call you crazy. They have to write you off as a crazy person in their own mind, to protect their own belief in their own world view.

            When societies try to ignore the basic nature of their very own criticizes then the societies will be dysfunctional by default.

          • Brett Hunan

            Ben, I think you meant the term “basic instincts”, and frankly speaking, it seems as though you know very little about “science” (let alone physiology and the psychological makeup of the human brain) and that makes you unqualified to speak on its behalf.

            Human traits and instinct are very different. “Instinct” is the idea that the primitive parts of our brains (the limbic system) behave in similar ways to the animals humans evolved from.

            Human traits (meaning different to and separate from animal traits) belong to the Neocortex. The Neocortex, specifically the frontal lobe, is responsible for reasoning and logic, not to mention IMPULSE CONTROL. This is the “basic human trait” that separates us from animals. We have control over what we choose to do.

            You fail to understand that humans learn constantly. Shit, you can take a look at my [idiotic] posts from 2010 and early 2011 to see that I have grown and learned (/patting myself on the back) a lot in just 2 years. This has been a direct result of my environment changing and me adapting to suit it.

            Moving on…. What I think you don’t understand about “nature vs nurture”, is that it is very very subjective. People tend to use the “nature vs nurture” argument on topics that humans like to demonize. Take homosexuality for example. Because we don’t have an understanding about why some humans are homosexual and some are not, there are grounds for disagreement. Many homosexuals say “nature”, of course, while those against homosexuality hold the “nurture” argument because they refuse to believe that humans can be born with the “natural” tendency to do something so “dirty”. IMO, whether they choose to be gay, or are born gay, is trivial from either side of the argument. They are gay and no one should take offense to it, nor should they ever have to defend themselves.

            With that out of the way, I wanted to tell you that what you wrote above is damned everything else you wrote:
            “The primary incentive to be productive is that you will make money. The primary incentive to be more productive is you will make more money than other people. The primary incentive to be inventive and start your own business to out produce and outsell everyone else is that you want to be rich….If people are told that no mater how hard they work, or what they create, they will still have as much as everyone else has in the end of the day….. Then why would I even get off my freaking butt? The answer is … I won’t!”

            These “primary incentives” are merely your opinions as a westerner. People’s “primary incentives” all differ because they do not fall in hand with “basic human traits”. These are morals, molded, shaped, and reshaped by our environments.

            Communism and much of East Asian culture is about COLLECTIVISM. The reasons you give mean nothing, because traditionally, the group has always been more important than the individual, whereas westerners see matters in terms of INDIVIDUALISM.

          • Brett Hunan

            I forget the most basic of all instincts. Survival! True communism could work because the most important thing to anyone and everyone is to survive and ensure the survival of offspring. The problem is “true communism” will never work because of greed.

          • https://acrossthetasman.com/forum.php 山炮 ShanPao

            *withdraws sword* Brett Hunan of ChinaSMACK I hereby knight thee with the noblest of titles. The Most Excellent Order of the BitchSMACK Empire.

          • Brett Hunan

            Lol @ ShanPao

            I accept this honor on the basis of learning from past idiocy. I hope that the Most Excellent Order of the BitchSMACK has a secret handshake. I love secret handshakes.

          • Little Wolf

            Brett…based on my own past idiocy, don’t let weiner teach you the secret handshake.

          • mr. wiener

            Look, All I said was do you want to shake hands with my best friend….

        • DeVitaVackra

          No, communism does not increase efficiency and even if it did it would be irrelevant, because the main contributing factor to an increased efficiency is technological advancement, which I believe will happen with or with out communism.

          • moop

            efficiency doesn’t exist in communism, it is impossible to acheive. the worlds greatest minds and super computers could never do it. one simply need look at the results of 5 year plans to see that anything centrally planned is far from effiecient and anything run by a government is far from efficient. anything resembling efficency in a socialist state is counterfeit

  • mr. wiener

    Is it just me or does the cartoon of the yanky imperialist with the cap and sunglasses look disturbingly like Yang Rui [smirking in cap and glasses]in the picture right next to it?

    • El Puma R.

      Indeed he does !

    • Little Wolf

      weiner: I WAS THINKING THAT TOOO! I SWEAR!

      • mr. wiener

        Separated at birth?

      • Little Wolf

        Plus….that other Yankee imperialist taking a swing at the rickshaw driver looks like Richard “I am not a crook” Nixon.

        • mr. wiener

          It’s a nose thing, To some Chinese I’m sure we all look like Tricky Dicky. Not such a bad thing though. He is a hero there for recognising China and meeting with Mao.

  • the ace of books

    I’m gonna query Kedafu 先生 on this:

    Song of the article: We Didn’t Start The Fire.

    yea/nay?

    • http://www.qq.com/1325279774 Kedafu

      ok

  • http://shenzhenundercover.blogspot.com/ Mike

    It seems as though that no one here has a real understanding of history. These posters present a stark portrait of pre-revolution China and a very interesting glimpse into the history of what Chairman Mao and the communists actually wanted to do when they came to power. While ignoring the inclusion of the Nationalist flags for political purposes (the Nationalists was just a political structure on top of the existing Chinese culture), the posters depict a China that Teddy Roosevelt thought was a “dying race.” Chinese society was based on very little morality, high corruption and cronyism, and discrimination of the lower classes. It also shows an apathetic people as Lu Xun described in 1939:

    “In China, especially in the cities, if someone fainted on the streets, or if someone was knocked over by a car, you’ll find lots of gawkers and gloaters, but rarely will you find someone willing to extend a helping hand.”

    「在中国,尤其是在都市里,倘使路上有暴病倒地,或翻车捽摔伤的人,路人围观或甚至高兴的人尽有,有肯伸手来扶助一下的人却是极少的。」 ——鲁迅《经验》一九三三年

    Little has changed today from pre-Revolution China. Although Chairman Mao did his best to institute a revolution in thought, the rise of Deng and the embrace of the “get rich is glorious” Reform and Opening Up policy opened the flood gates once again to the natural Chinese psyche. History has repeated itself because the original nature of the Chinese people have been let loose. That history is the only possible outcome.

    • anon

      “Chinese society was based on very little morality, high corruption and cronyism, and discrimination of the lower classes.”
      “Natural Chinese psyche”
      “original nature of the Chinese people have been let loose.”

      Really?

      You think you have a real understanding of history?

      What all governments, inside and outside of China, intrinsically know is that people must be governed to avoid their base HUMAN proclivities. The problem is execution. You certainly are a bit more versed in Chinese 20th centry history than many here, but you’re making some indefensible remarks in the process.

      • Fu ZhiGao

        He may have written a few things that are politically incorrect, but that doesn’t mean the argument is wholly without merit.

        China has a long history; it also has a long history of people complaining about the governments. At least as far back as Mengzi there have been people arguing on behalf of the commoners.

        Corruption, cronyism and discrimination are indeed human vices and it is unfair to say that it is an intrinsic part of the Chinese psyche and no one else’s. However, there is no denying that the governments here have tended to oppress the peasantry and lower classes, and hoard wealth and power.

        In other places reforms have lead to lasting changes and progress. Here many things advanced and then took a great leap backward. We can debate whether this is attributable to the nature of Chinese people or Chinese governments.

        • anon

          What part of his argument do you think I’m saying is wholly without merit?

          No one is denying that governments have tended to oppress the peasantry and lower classes, hoarding wealth and power. In China or anywhere else to be frank. I am of course denying the wisdom of trying to attribute anything to the “nature” of Chinese people. What a slippery slope that is!

        • http://shenzhenundercover.blogspot.com/ Mike

          Love being politically incorrect, hahaha.

          I didnt say that no one else or no other culture has these qualities. That’s a discussion for another time. (We could also do a comparative analysis of what qualities Chinese people have vs. Europeans and address, judeo-christrian religion vs. taoism/conficianism or imperialist sentiments vs. great wall builders, ect.)

      • http://shenzhenundercover.blogspot.com/ Mike

        It seems that I’ve rocked your boat a little bit with the “nature” of Chinese people argument. I’ll give a few examples of it so you can digest a little more.

        1. Read Lu Xun, the most influential modern Chinese writer. He succinctly described the problems in China culture/society in the early 1900s.
        2. The quote I used for him should be very familiar to anyone who reads ChinaSmack – which is why I didnt bother to explain it. There are countless examples of Chinese inaction when something happens. And that allows a foreigner to step in and help.
        3. There are tons of examples of Lu Xun’s description before the revolution. Opium Wars, Rape of Nanjing come to mind.
        4. This mindset, I would argue, is a natural state of the Chinese people both now and before the revolution. The only thing that’s changed is a sense of nation-hood, or national identity.
        5. China as a modern, unified, nation state really only began after 1949. Before that it was defined by warlords ect. 老百姓 just lived, were exploited and didnt have any national identity.
        6. What Mao did was to create a national identity. While the best option is to go through the actual history of reforms in the early days to see the interaction between nationalism and the active transformation of the Chinese nature, this movement can be seen in other places. ie. China’s national anthem, “The Chinese people stood up” speech, and the song YangYang played at the White House.
        7. While Mao created this sense of national identity, this nationalism sentiment has been transformed in recent years for political gain by the current leadership. Similarly, with the Reform & Open Up/pro-capitalism policies, it has unhindered the previous psyche to dominate again.

  • Anonynonymous

    If only they painted the correct flags.

  • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

    To quote the Who:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

    We’ll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgment of all wrong
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again

    Change it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the fall that’s all
    But the world looks just the same
    And history ain’t changed
    ‘Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    And I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    I’ll move myself and my family aside
    If we happen to be left half alive
    I’ll get all my papers and smile at the sky
    For I know that the hypnotized never lie

    Do ya?

    There’s nothing in the street
    Looks any different to me
    And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
    And the parting on the left
    Is now the parting on the right
    And the beards have all grown longer overnight

    I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around me
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I’ll get on my knees and pray
    We don’t get fooled again
    Don’t get fooled again
    No, no!

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

    Meet the new boss
    Same as the old boss

    • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

      You’ve got it wrong. It’s:

      *puts on sunglasses*

      YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

      • http://www.matthewsawtell.com Matthew A. Sawtell

        Hm… I see your sunglasses, and raise you Bruce Campbell:

    • Leon

      Did Mike Jagger sang that?

  • El Puma R.

    Wonderful work, so specific.

    Had a little discussion with my girlfriend (chinese) last night after we saw the news about Yang Rui – She -just like most people here – said “it’s just the way it is” and “there’s nothing we can do about it”. I’m -once again- considering whether I should marry her or not because you see, despite of the excessive femininity and loveliness that she has (which western women often lack of) I like people with guts… and through this system that educates people through ignorance and fear, you can only get people without guts.

    “Chinese peoperu (people) have a serious-a lack of-a barus (balls)”
    A. Japaneez

    • staylost

      Everyone has their moments of guts and their moments of apathy. Honestly, I’d say that if this is the issue which has you questioning, I’d rather be questioning whether you are ready to get married in general. It isn’t like you are picking out a new pair of skis, you have to love this girl like your family and you’d never let her go no matter how pitiful she became. Just being hot, cool, and stylish to have on your arm isn’t enough.

      Anyway, she is right. If you aren’t really going to do something about some idiot on weibo (other than chat about it online), you’d be better off spending your time enjoying life whether you marry her or not. Maybe she’d kick him in the balls if she had the opportunity, who knows.

    • Dr SUN

      I read what you say with interest and decline to differ. The apathy you see or perceive is not a result of having “no guts”, its the result of thousands of years of Government and people lead by Confucius thinking (doctrine).
      They don’t worry about what they perceive they can’t change, or believe they are not in a position to influence.
      I know that’s simplified, but its the core of let’s say one of the Chinese characteristics and it’s not going to disappear any time soon.

      • El Puma R.

        You guys are right. Perhaps I might have put the blame on my girl because of a habit I see in other people in my everyday life in China. Since we started dating, she’s learned so much about openness, tolerance, understanding and feeling free to express herself towards me, her friends and family, an opportunity no one has ever gave her before. She’s even began to ask herself questions that most people would never think about. I’ve have also learned a lot about them, and their patience towards everything. It just pisses me off to see such events everyday, and no one doing anything to make things better. She’s done so much for me and I still ask for more. My bad for being nothing more than a simple -western- guy. Also living mostly among chinese people leaves me no place for my opinion, most of the time.

        All I want is for Chinese people to get themselves together. Just because I love everything they’re forgetting about, their cultural heritage and their own traditional sense of life. The time will come, I know.

        Thank you @staylost and @Dr Sun

      • http://shenzhenundercover.blogspot.com/ Mike

        They did disappear for a while. It was between 1950 and 1979. Thats kinda what these posters describe. (as per our comment discussion a little bit above this)

    • Alan

      “there’s nothing we can do about it”.

      I tire of hearing that.

      I always retort with East Germany, India and the republics of the USSR that DID do something about it!

    • Po Han

      Chinese used to have guts, at least in Korean war, when they charged straight into machine gun fire, or else they were just exceedingly stupid.

      • Little Wolf

        Yeah, they charged with rifles pointed at their backs. The ones without guns were told to pick them off their dead “comrades”. That’s not guts, it’s desperation.

  • http://lotinlife.wordpress.com

    At least it [China] did not end up as North Korea.

  • whiskersthecat

    Check out the camel toe on that awesomely dressed lady hipster in the “American fashion” panel.

    • Northerner

      The camel toe is there purely to distract you from the false right arm in the Chinese Fashion panel which in turn is there to distract brother from the real right arm, already inside cadre’s pants ready to whip out carrot for an oral atrocity.

      Looks like ‘Selfless Cadre’ is also about to get gobbled by the little boy and the ‘Fair Judicial System’ newly weds are about to administer a mutual hand-job.

  • http://cina.exil.sk real name

    now I understood that ban of time-travel stories

  • MKJ

    HI

  • Dat Ankle

    Irl time traveling China. Get your plane tickets to experience it live before change happens!

  • Little Wolf

    If anybody is getting a kick out of these 1950 cartoons, I invite you to go back a hundred years and check out the ironies of “TALES FROM A SHANGHAI GRIFTER”

    http://www.earnshaw.com/shanghai-ed-india/tales/library/griffin/t-griffin04.htm

    The original laowai rant blog

  • Jess

    I kind of interpret the women comic as: “Women are equals…with other women.”
    Unless that’s a picture of a man, somehow…

    • Chunghwa

      The full caption reads
      >现在妇女翻了身,对建礼教都打倒,夫妻男女讲平等,女人也该是主人。
      “Now that women have turned their bodies, struck down Confucianism, and that the husband and wife speak of equality, women have also become masters.”

      I guess the artist must be really bad at drawing secondary sexual characteristics.

  • KongMingQin

    Who said time-travelling was impossible, is lying right? The bad thing is, we aint going back to the dynasties, those good old days… We’re just jumping back to KMT days, and bowing down to foreigners ¬¬ absolutely DISGUSTING

  • George Washington

    What I find most amazing as an American is how quickly the good citizens of China were turned against us with the “imperialist” BS from the communist government. This after just five short years when we came over and kicked the Japanese animals (who were literally raping and murdering any Chinese they could get there hands on) out of your country and made sure they never attacked another country again. Is this a case of some real short memories or just a serious lack of appreciation.
    I also have to believe that when you people see this propaganda from 60 years ago and know that so much of what was going on 60 years ago is even worse today that you are finally going to get off your complacent asses and do something about it!

    • Fu ZhiGao

      The U.S. was linked to the KMT who were overthrown.

      Although the Americans defeated the Japanese, there was never much (or basically any) fighting between the two armies on the Chinese mainland.

      Chinese people remember fighting against the Americans later in Korea and supporting the Vietnamese.

      • mr. wiener

        George.
        You really have to look at history from other people’s perspective to get a fuller understanding of it.
        The US didn’t defeat the nazis, the Russians did.
        The US didn’t bog the Japanese down, the Chinese did.
        You didn’t crack the enigma code either, the poles did, then the brits captured an intact machine.
        Just some examples, This is why when you go to France and say:”If it wasn’t for my country you’d be speaking German” You don’t get respect or blowjobs from French chicks.

        • George Washington

          Mr Wiener what planet do you live on? It can’t be earth because earths history is quite different in reality. Did the Russians land on the Normandy beaches? It was the US that captured the enigma machine (off a Nazi sub) and the brits cracked the code. Just like the US broke the Japanese code….
          We look at history from what actually happened, not from a dictatorships’ twisted perspective.

          • mr. wiener

            George.
            Hollywood is NOT a reliable source of historical information.
            The US was the free worlds armory, the people who did most of the dying for it were the Russians [History is full of irony like that].Please read some good books on this.

          • Chunghwa

            >Did the Russians land on the Normandy beaches?

            Did the Americans capture the Reichstag in Berlin?

          • mr. wiener

            George.
            Hongjian will no doubt whip your arse later on the facts and figures from the russian front.
            The original Enigma code was broken by Polish intel in 1932. This info was passed on to the Brits and French before the fall of Poland. The Germans added additional cypher wheels increasing the complexity of the code. But it was broken again by the English mathematician Alan Turing. The first complete Enigma machine [and books] was captured by HMS Bulldog on May 9th 1932.
            Telling you this in no way demeans the American fighting soldier of the period. Without America it is very difficult to say if the allies would have won [probably not, or maybe it would have ground on for a very long time]. However it is the unthinking arrogance of going around saying “America won the war” that grates on many people. This is not an attack on you, but you need to get your facts straight and have a little empathy for other peoples version of history , yeh?

          • Little Wolf

            Shiiit weiner. In spite of our lower intelligence and lack of encyclopedias or access to any other learning materials, I don’t think there are any Americans anywhere that believe we won World War 2 all by ourselves while everybody else stood by while we showed them how to get things done. And I would certainly never expect any blowjobs from French girls based on achievements of my Grandfather’s generation. We have heard the term “Allied Forces” and are well aware of every country’s contributions and sacrifices and that’s why we wonder “why all the hate?”

          • mr. wiener

            Sorry Lil’ Wolf.
            I wasn’t having a go at Americans, It was just George’s talk about the short memories and lack of appreciation of the Chinese for America’s sacrifices that set me off. A broader idea of history is the best one to have.
            I certainly don’t buy into the argument that Americans are stupid and lacking in intelligence. My only problem is that some folk are a bit insular in their outlook and need to look up better records of history than the popular media.

          • Little Wolf

            weiner: No need to explain….I already knew where you stood. Sometimes my tone is mistaken through the Internet, sorry.

            To be honest, of all the places I’ve lived the most anti-American sentiment I’ve ever felt was……….SWEDEN. Go figure. Which was fine since I didn’t like them much either.(except my Swedish ex-wife, who doesn’t like me much anymore, and a few others) Their fucking snippy and petulant attitude towards me was ridiculous despite that I have never voted for either of the George Bushes or fired a gun in anger. My band once pulled up our van at a rock festival we were booked to perform at, to find it was sponsored by the Swedish Communist Party and a stage draped in red flags with hammers and sickles. During the sound check, instead of testing the mics with “testing 1,2,3″ the tech-guy could not resist the urge to spout “Yankees go home” and all the usual slogans. I just remember thinking “Fuck these people”. They claim to be neutral but was a Nazi haven during the war and now their whole military strategy is based on holding off an attack from the “east” for 2 weeks until help arrives from the “west”. And I haven’t had much patience for limp-wristed Euro-snobs ever since.

      • George Washington

        The KMT was the closest thing to democracy that you folks have ever had. Once again the government poisoned the Chinese people with false propaganda. And the US sent over an entire squadron of bombers, pilots and trainers even before the japs bombed pearl harbor. Why? To provide at least some defense in keeping them from annihilating all the major Chinese cities because China had no defense abilities at that time.Many Americans were shot down and died on Chinese soil defending the Chinese people. Furthermore, the Japanese had to pull out of China because we were kicking their asses across the Pacific.And the cost for that effort was more than 500,000 American lives. And we are Imperialist dogs?

        • Chinggis was here

          Chiang kai-shek was a corrupt, nationalistic, fascist who was fervently against Western ideas and gladly embraced Nazi German support, weapons and training for the KMT prior to the Japanese invasion of China in 1937: 1937 not December 1941.

          However, Chiang kai-shek’s soldiers did stop the Japanese advance into Central China and inflicted a couple of major defeats on the Japanese.. And the American air support you mention primarily helped the Communists in Southern China.

          The Americans didn’t provide any major support to the Chinese until 1943, by that time China had been fighting a war against the Japanese for 6 years. As altruist as you attempt to portray the American government, the assistance provided to China was to help America to defeat the Japanese.

          As for your mention of D Day; any search of reliable sources would show that 80%-90% of German casualties in WW2 were caused by the Soviet Russians.

          WTF, Where’s Honjian? This is a gift.

          • Chunghwa

            With all due respect, Chiang Kai-shek managed to turn Taiwan into an economic powerhouse. Think about it. What’s the explanation for the disparity in living conditions between mainland China and Taiwan?

          • Chinggis was here

            To be honest my historical knowledge of Taiwan is pretty minimal, however, I’ve read a little about the White Terror.

            At a guess, I’d suggest that a country ruled by nationalistic, capitalist, mass-murdering dictator, supported by America is bound to be economically superior to a country ruled by a nationalistic, communist, mass-murdering dictator supported by the Soviet Union.

          • staylost

            So is it that the USA is so much better than Russia, or that capitalism is so much better than communism?

          • Chinggis was here

            Communism is a joke, but ex-communist states like Russia and China have hotter women.

          • moop

            nah, russian women get fat and ugly real quick when they age, especially the pretty ones.

          • Chinggis was here

            Agreed, they can explode at the age of 35. However, in their 20s they can be outstanding women to spend time with. Although costs can become prohibitive, there’s the bonus of no hair on their body below the top lip: especially the pretty ones.

    • typingfromwork

      It’s true, Americans lost many of their best to liberate all of Asia from the tyrany of Japan, and Chinese people should acknowledge and appreciate what they did for them.

      Maybe it’s because there weren’t that many actual US troops on mainland China fighting the Japanese that Chinese people don’t remember their good deeds. That and the Communists were very anti American because of ideological differences. The KMT however were very, very pro America. Still are, infact.

      • Dr SUN

        I think the Chinese are taught a very screwed up version of history, which excludes how the Allies helped to prevent the Japanese from overunning all of China from the SW by keeping them bogged down in Thailand,VN and Burma.
        I think they have not been told that 2 atomic bombs defeated Japan and not that either the Communists or the KMT had any real significant military successes against the Japanese.
        The Japanese in the NE did not surrender to either of them either but to the Russians.
        If it was not for the Allies (USA, Britain, NZ, AUS, India,Russia etc) China would still belong to Japan up to this day.

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  • Li Yan

    So, KMT beat up peasants and CPC flirted with peasants?

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  • typingfromwork

    Before: problems with capitalism.

    After: idealised utopia based on Communist principles. Unrealistic as fuck.

    Today: well they’ve got capitalism back, so the same problems will come back again. No surprises there. Still better than Communism though.

    • Dr SUN

      The great leap forward and the cultural revolution were both terrible disasters for China in terms of Human death/ suffering, Economic ruin, and cultural destruction.
      they have resulted in China returning the very thing it was before the “Revolution” just with a different bunch of gangsters and thugs running the show ie the CPC and their thugs in the PSB.

  • Jay Jay

    Communist propaganda! And Chinese people call China a “great nation”? Hypocrites! All of you! Trade one lie for another and act as if you are free. Isn’t that what you are doing? Isn’t that the lie you are all living? You think you are doing well economically because you own a car and a small apartment you call a house? Well think again. You don’t own it. The Red Commie greasy government pigs owns it all. Everything, lock stock and signed. You own nothing – not even your right to life. Stop denying the truth. The Nationalists would have been a much better choice for China. Pity they had to go to Taiwan. They would have done a lot of good in mainland China. But instead Mao infected the world with his madness. Chinese people are just whores to red party leaders in their own land! How pathetic!

    • Chunghwa

      >The Nationalists would have been a much better choice for China.

      Do you know how much smaller Taiwan is compared to mainland China? The KMT was doing a horrible job back in their mainland days. They were corrupt to the bone, and did not fulfill any of Sun Yat-sen’s Three Principles of the People. People’s livelihood was worth nothing, the KMT ruled authoritatively with an iron fist, and the central government didn’t even have full control. You had warlords calling the shots in regions of China proper, and separatist groups in ethnic regions. KMT rule on the mainland was a complete joke, which is no wonder why they lost the civil war.

      When people YY of “what if” situations, they’re following delusional dreams that don’t make sense. I’ll leave you with a few quotes:

      “the Chiangs, the Kungs, and the Soongs are all thieves” – US President Truman, after the KMT took $750 million in US aid

      (under the KMT,) “the Chinese people groaned under a regime Fascist in every quality except efficiency.” – The Birth of Communist China, C.P. Fitzgerald

      • KMT Guy

        Let’s put this aside and compare the numbers of Mainlanders who want to move to Taiwan and Taiwanese who want to move to the Mainland.

  • http://www.thechinaimage.com XiaoGhostHead

    My maternal grandparents were highly educated offspring of officials from the imperial times. They suffered a lot during the revolution. However, my paternal grandparents were the leaders of the revolution.
    In fact, my grandpa headed the revolution in Shanghai, led the farmers and workers from destitute, opened a farmers and workers college where he was the principle. All his life he was against corruption, turned down government positions, and ran the Shanghai Chemical Company without keeping money for himself. He really did help a lot of people, and the early years of the revolution did do good for the lives of the poor and down trodden. (not so much for the wealthy and well educated though, my mom and her sister certainly had a tough childhood because of it).
    It’s really too bad that corruption and other problems continued, but that’s the way it’s been since the beginning of China for thousands of years now. It’s part of the culture.

  • crimsonarmor

    Nothing has really changed that much. Now things are done behind closed doors that’s all. 5000 years of rape, theft, murder lying, cheating, robbing, stealing and bribery. And today it still going on except the public don’t hear about. However some things are better than 60 years ago.

    • Xiongmao

      3600 years or so. The rest is mainly mythical.

  • Xiongmao

    “From the portrayal of working class hardship, to unaffordable housing, to foreigners behaving as they please in China, the problems of pre-liberation China seems to remain very much relevant even to this day.”

    FOREIGNERS BEHAVING AS THEY PLEASE… are you fucking kidding me?

    • mr. wiener

      I think “behaving as they please” means getting away with more than the Chinese are…..oh, and having chicks chase them too. Over paid, oversexed and over here :)

      • Xiongmao

        Are we getting away with more than the Chinese? That’d be news to me. In my experience we expats are generally a LOT more law abiding than the average Chinese. That goes to everything from following traffic laws to, you know, NOT stabbing people with knives over a fender bender. I get you mate, but I think it’s despicable to insinuate that the alleged massive crime wave we create is even remotely worth mentioning compared to the problems facing Average Wang. I do feel the author here is buying into the utter bullshit that we’re misbehaving criminals all of us.

        Also, again I’d like to object to being boxed in with a crazy Russian and a Muslim Brit of Pakistani descent. I have less in common with either of them than with my Chinese friends. It’s all political :)

      • Dr SUN

        I believe that saying was coined in Britain and referred to the GI’s stationed there in WWII.

        I doubt you will find many overpaid ESL teachers in China, street racing their Farrari’s, BMW’s, Merc’s etc while drunk, owning multiple houses, with 1 or more Ernai , with millions of $ in foreign bank accounts and sending their Children to Oxford or Harvard all expenses paid.
        You dont see “English town” or ” American town” in major cities, where no one seems to be able to speak Chinese and you feel like a tourist at best in a part your own country.
        Chinese abroad on the whole stick to their own, do not assimulate into the host country much, resent paying taxes, do not feel the laws apply to them, culturally they regard themselves superior. the men can have with anyone, but god forbid if a local guy tries it on with one of their sisters.

        What we see of Chinese thinking and Xenophobia in China is really no different to how overseas Chinese think and Behave.
        They believe anyone who is not Chinese is low and must accept that they can act as they like, but you can’t, you must follow their rules 100% and 100% of the time, While they can pick and choose which rules they follow as it suites them at the time.

        • mr. wiener

          None the less my good doctor, laowai in China do lead a considerably better life in China than most Chinese, hence the resentment.
          The word I would use would be “Demigog” , Which has come to mean some one with a small measure of authority barking orders from on high, Whereas the original meaning of the word from the Greeks was an educated slave you purchased to tutor your children. The truth of English teachers in china lies somewhere between the two definitions.

  • Xiongmao

    So funny. Brother approves. One might honestly agree on some of these (transition to communism) but others are of course utter jokes and remain so to this day while others have clearly changed back. I particularly like the ‘freedom of students’ part that have gone from communist indoctrination to the current, more open ‘freedom’ of spending near every waking hour at school, doing homework or extracurricular activities barely having time to eat meals.

    I also wonder why they’d let this one stay up (did they remove the original post?) since clearly 1: The state of the nation pictured here was clearly a lie or 2: Things have deteriorated massively since. Either would be on the Communist Party’s hands so,,,,

  • Jeff

    Did I miss the Archie and Jughead go to China comic?

    • mr. wiener

      Archie ,Betty and Jughead organise a “struggle session” where principle Weatherbee is beaten to death with pickaxe handles by the school cheerleading team. Mrs. Grundy is spared this fate but has to enter a re-education camp. Dillon using Big Moose as muscle then reorganizes the Riverdale high’s curriculum to follow Maoist thought. Shortly after this Mr. Lodge is lynched and his body quartered by outraged members of the prolitariet. Veronica Lodge is spared this fate as she denounces her own father, but because she has “Capitalist roots” is denied a place on the central committee and has to get a job feeding the pigs. She and Reggie start formenting a plot against Archie, Betty, Jughead et al…..

  • mr. mike

    It’s amazing how people forget how bad life was in China during the Nationalist period, especially after WWII. There’s a book out there called “China Shakes the World” by Jack Belden, written in 1947, reprinted in the 1970s. Belden lived in China in the 1930s, picked up Mandarin, became a war correspondent, then went back to China after the war to cover the Chinese revolution….he saw both sides, and the Nationalists do not look very good in the book.

    • KMT Guy

      He is just one of the millions of communist sympathizers at that time.

  • KMT Guy

    So now they finally regret what they have done 60 years ago? aha. Then now it’s their job to oust the CCP and welcome President Ma back to Nanking.

  • Chris Fischer

    HI..

    I’d like to use these in my history class…could you give me some more information on the document’s history?

    Thanks,

    Christian

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