Chinese Woman Marries Rich Indian Man, Netizen Reactions

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From Tiexue:

Envious? Beautiful Chinese Woman Who Married into India Shows Off Her Luxurious Life

Who says Indians are all poor cunts [extremely impoverished]? Who says life in India is too horrible to bear? Just take a look at how happy/fortunate this girl’s life is after marrying into India!

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Comments on Tiexue:

乙亮:

The fortunate life of marrying into a wealthy Indian family and the notion of widespread poverty in India are two separate things.

酷啦:

Brother [referring to self] will guarantee you that after marriage, as soon as in half a year and no later than 5 years, you will be in tears. With your life, habits, and customs being different, I can guarantee it will be a tragedy for you. Not to mention India is a country that consider women to be inferior to men. Perhaps as newlyweds he will treat you very well but as time goes by and the novelty fades you will ultimately not be much higher than Indian women. When you realize all this, there may be even more tragedy down the road. This is not like other countries, you might not even be able to get a legal divorce.

a791229171:

Is she asking to be gang raped?

ljcfg:

As long as it is foreigner, no matter from where, they are royalty to our countrymen.

冷月剑影:

A pure SB, materialistic woman. Perhaps only shameless bitches would marry into the A-San [derogatory term for Indians] nation! Either that or she is just a unemployed woman from Dongguan!

99bbw:

She is representing the Buddha to journey to the west to collect the sutra.

昆仑山道士:

I think this woman going there is no different from a sheep entering a tiger’s mouth. Even though you’ve married over there, just remember not to drink the water from the Ganges, you will die

嬉皮居士:

A-San seem to have a greater shortage of women than us, so better be careful when you step outside.

高级电器:

I feel it is much better to marry Americans or Japanese than A-San. At least those two countries use utensils to eat and not just directly with their hands.

赵小洲:

You are truly ignorant and inexperienced. India is a country where class divisions are really severe, whereby they separate their people into three castes, even as far as a fourth caste. A woman who marries into a wealthy family will of course be fortunate, but this is just material fortune. Because Indian men have more rights [compared to women]. Perhaps you [the original poster] are showing off your sister’s pictures?

吹牛逼说大话:

You are all idiots… When a Chinese man marries a Japanese, Korean or Indian woman, you all say this is bringing glory to our nation… But when a woman gets married to a Japanese, Korean or Indian, you all curse them to hell, that they won’t be happy… A bunch of poor cunts… spending all day just foolishly fantasizing…

tt39547:

Hehe, this girl will no longer have to wear shoes, her hands to be used for eating and shitting. And the best part is that in 100 years she can be immersed in the romantic waters of the Ganges.

hawk19999:

Amongst all countries, Chinese women have the highest status in the household.

学会呼吸:

Looking at the pictures, it looks ideal and very happy. I just don’t know what the future may be like. I only know about Indians through what I see on the news every day, that Indians are also hardworking, that India also has a very large wealth gap, that they also have good people and bad people. There are different opinions, but regardless I wish her happiness.

十字线下的嗜血:

Chinese women who marry abroad are accused of being lewd, while Chinese men who marry foreign women are praised as bringing glory to the nation.

忍俊不止:

The most vicious way Chinese women can take revenge on Chinese men is to marry an A-San or African. Those who agree, ding this.

永康第一钓:

What’s so great about Indian men? All their body odor and, most importantly, Indian people eat and wipe their ass with the same hand. Disgusting Indian people.

急速潜航:

Congratulations to the bride, you now have to freedom to shit and piss wherever you please!

解放军110:

Although I don’t want Chinese women marrying into other countries, but given China’s conditions right now, you can be considered to have escaped from misery. I wish you happiness!

fanfande:

This man is quite handsome! Everyone have the right to choose their happiness!
You are all so narrow-minded!

名字总被贼抢注:

I’m conflicted. Seeing Chinese women marrying abroad ultimately makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps it is because of Chinese nationalism, or the reality of there being 70 million single men in China, but either way, what I want is for Chinese men to marry foreign women (white race preferable) into the country to add to the gene pool [as opposed to “detracting” from the gene pool], rather than having Chinese women go providing future generation for foreigners [Westerners, white people]. This might invite scorn from “upright gentlemen” [fairer-minded people], but this is indeed how I feel.

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  • Lord_Helmet

    98% racist comments. Very despicable display of prejudice.

    • Markus Peg

      True, but the internet seems to make it more acceptable to say stupid racist comments. Even these message boards have many racist people who get up voted comments. It is however, more evident from the above Chinese comments, but just you wait. Someone will come along and post something here having a dig at the Chinese, Jews or people with different skin tones..

      • MonkeyMouth

        at least she didnt marry a fucking Latvian!
        haha (kidding of course)

        • Potatofarmer

          Is no marriage in Latvia, only slavery and death

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        The other thing is, people can joke and it might be taken seriously, and vice versa.

        Its why some of the comments that have been translated in other articles, people were not sure if they were joking or serious.

        And if someone were to do the same thing, I see plenty of racist comments in Yahoo comment sections. And I am sure you can find it in plenty of other news/media sites that allow comments.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      98% of the racist comments were also probably single, frustrated males. Hopefully they will stay single.

      • Womanizer

        it’s same kind of white people i see every day like you that i want to ARHHHHHH why don;t you go back to america and suck your president’s balls and get your guns kill your family? better yet why not smoke some joint and keep enslaving your friends?

        • ideas

          you are sooo foolish to be called a chinese..i respect even chinese apart from you.. i hope the way you talk is the same way you can fight..stupid

        • Kai

          Whoa, are downvotes public again?!?

          *rushes over to Disqus blog*

          • Mony Xie

            Public what? They don’t even show the downvote number anymore and it is a stupid change. What is the point to downvote if the downvote number won’t even be shown?

          • Kai

            Whoa, weird. I was able to see downvote counts just a few minutes ago. I just accidentally refreshed my page and now I can’t see them anymore. Guess it was a glitch.

          • Rick in China

            I’m guessing that the downvote still works functionally – in terms of how it seeds conversations against other conversations or hide/unhide by default or whatever, and just doesn’t show the number to the public. Just a guess..no idea really.

          • wnsk

            Yeah, it does. If you sort comments “by best”, sometimes the comments with less upvotes are ranked higher than those with more — presumably because the downvotes are taken into account.

          • El Gordo

            Is this serpentza, how are you getting a visa in Shenzhen, when so many wai guo ren are stuck in HK or had to go back to their home countries? Have you got your own registered business in SZ or is someone helping you cut through the red tape? Just curious on? As to the downvotes, yes the downvote number should be shown.

      • Womanizer

        why dont you go back to england you imperlistic prick

      • Dr Sun

        no doubt

      • El Gordo

        Big 10 4 there captain!

    • Womanizer

      why don’t you marry a black guy?

      • ideas

        another foolish person talking again..

      • Why don’t you just try and marry into the homo genus as a start?

    • ptptp

      Is this representative of Chinese society? I wonder how many people looked at the article and just thought, “good for her” or “I hope they’re happy” and went on to the next article. Also, this type of article would lure the prejudiced trolls come out from underneath their bridges.

      • Kai

        It’s representative of the -isms certainly present in Chinese society. How far someone takes it in vilifying Chinese society as a whole can cross over into an -ism of itself.

        • Dr Sun

          kai, if you were only a woman, i’d marry you just for your honey tongue

          • Kai

            Don’t be sexist, marry me for my honey tongue anyway.

          • Mighty曹

            *rolling eyes

          • Kai

            Don’t be jealous. You may have a cool hat but I have a honeyed tongue.

          • Mighty曹

            Well, I admit I never sugar coat my words but I need to develop a honeyed tongue.

          • Kai

            Dr. Sun is mine!

          • Mighty曹

            But you have Linette.

          • Dr Sun

            damn Kai, me and Linette, interesting life you’ll have, lol

          • Mighty曹

            Well, he is managing a very balanced life. haha..

          • Kai

            What? No I don’t. Don’t want Linette. I only want those that want me. She wants mr.wiener I think? I remember her flirting with him. She never flirted with me. She has only ever sought to give me an aneurysm.

          • Mighty曹

            You’re safe from KaziPilot then. :p
            I know she succeeded , or came very close to, giving you an aneurysm.

          • Dr Sun

            can I have some time to think about it ?

          • TAKE5

            thats funny

      • don mario

        try talking to a chinese person about indian people and see what happens.

        i know one girl who likes indian culture but apart from her the things i have heard chinese people say about indian people have been consistently ridiculous.

      • Teacher in China

        You’ve hit on something important there: most people who leave comments do so because they feel strongly about something, so just looking at comments isn’t the best way to judge what a whole country feels about something. I bet a ton of people read it, went “meh”, and moved on.

        That being said, I have noticed up here in Dongbei anyway that there seems to be quite a prevalent negative attitude towards India. But I’d hardly suggest small town Dongbei to be some kind of indicator for China as a whole…..

        • Rick in China

          I’ve experienced far more negative than positive reactions towards India or Indians – there is a deep seeded notion that darker skin and some scents indicates the hygiene of a people, and most Indians would be in the “they are dirty” pile according to that backwards logic. Views of, say, poverty and caste, news of rapes and murders, photos of the ganges and those who bathe next to half burnt corpses dominate any positives..at least, from what I can tell.

        • Reptilian

          It’s not just in Dongbei. It’s China-wide. I remember browsing readers comments on Sina.com after the gang-rape of the Swiss tourist, and most of the comments were negative, and displayed the commenters’ origins (by IP address) as being from all over the country.

          Recently, I asked a female friend why she shunned Guangzhou assignments from her company, she replied “because there’s plenty of hei ren (black people) there.” Without batting an eyelash. Dark skin = evil people.

    • donscarletti

      It’s the Internet, people love to talk shit.

      The most important thing is here though is, not whether people on the internet say nice things about you, but whether you get the hot babes.

    • El Gordo

      and predictable as well wouldn’t you say?

    • Ajit Joshi

      I am sure Indians also have prejudice against Chinese people. Really it only means that both the people hardly interact with each other

  • IsurvivedChina

    not surprised by the reaction of those above… international marriage has always been a sore point for most..

    • Mighty曹

      This is supposed to be good for Sino-Indian relations but not according to the netizens’ reaction.

    • Barack Obama

      i think it’s important to point out that this feeling of jealousy and disdain towards “other races taking your women” is not isolated just for Chinese men but is a natural feeling for all men on Earth, whether these hyper-enlightened chinasmack commentators like to admit it or not.

      • IsurvivedChina

        hence my comment!

    • Sohan Dsouza

      Not just international. Inter-village, inter-city, inter-ethnic, inter-religious, inter-anything.

  • Germandude

    I’m conflicted. Seeing Chinese women marrying abroad ultimately makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps it is because of Chinese nationalism, or the reality of there being 70 million single men in China, but either way, what I want is for Chinese men to marry foreign women (white race preferable) into the country to add to the gene pool [as opposed to “detracting” from the gene pool], rather than having Chinese women go providing future generation for foreigners [Westerners, white people]. This might invite scorn from “upright gentlemen” [fairer-minded people], but this is indeed how I feel.

    What an insecure, sad fuck… After he posted this, he switched on some Japanese AV, fantasizing of extending the gene pool…

    I hope he dies the death of a virgin.

    • IsurvivedChina

      I liked how he explained himself though… with brackets and all…. LOL

      • Kai

        [ brackets ] are translator/editor notes to help with comprehension. ( parentheses ) are part of the original.

        • IsurvivedChina

          my bad, forgot that part…

    • Insomnicide

      Some people would rather die virgins with their dignity intact than bend over for another race.

      • IsurvivedChina

        from your rational can we assume those who marry outside their race have no dignity?

        • Dick Leigh

          When it comes to Chinese women, yes, and it’s getting worse. Nowadays people will openly make disparaging comments about interracial (white male, chinese female) couples in China.

          • Zappa Frank

            I can confirm that I heard many times bad comments in china, some really heavy.. on the other side I have no idea how often the same kind of comments are present in western countries..

          • Back in 2002 a guy in his car at our complex called my wife a whore. I broke his jaw. In Sydney now no one bats an eye lid.

          • Probotector

            Awesome!

          • Zappa Frank

            I assume it happened in china. did you have any legal issues later?

          • This was early on before the whole US style sue shite came about. A mate who was with me and owned a couple of apartments in the complex got him to leave quietly so to speak. Not sure if his jaw was ever fractured – but I hit him once and hard and he did not retaliate. He was in shock. I don’t think they actually expect a verbal altercation to ever get physical. I guess that is why there seems to be little self censorship in their verbal assaults. As ‘silly twaddle pants’ and ‘corpse fucking pig rapist’ are seen as no different as far as expected reaction…. My theory at least.

          • don mario

            good on you for that.. they don’t like confrontation so no doubt he was not expecting even a verbal comeback, let alone a physical one.

            it would put any laowai in a world of trouble to smack a chinese person though in china now. its a very bad idea but even so that kind of thing would make me want to break someones back.

          • nickhz

            well done

          • Kai

            I think it bears mentioning that technically, when it comes to a lot of Chinese women, there IS “dignity” in marrying outside their race. A lot of the male resentment comes from simple insecurity, but there IS some that is a reaction to women who come across as thinking they’re suddenly above others just because they have a foreign husband. SOME. I’d say most would still be simply people ASSUMING that of the woman unfairly. Vanity is a terrible thing.

        • Insomnicide

          No ethnicity has ever earned the respect of others by gifting their women to foreigners.

          • Women are not possessions to be “gifted”.

            There is no dignity in being respected by ethnocentric xenophobes.

          • Zappa Frank

            oh my god, I can’t believe you are one of the kind of guy so insecure that consider ‘their’ women as a property that have to be preserved..

          • Insomnicide

            I’m not the one who sees women as property. The non-Asian men who lust after Asian women do. They see them as nothing but highly fetishized sexual objects. More than half of foreign expats in Asia aren’t staying there because they like the country, rather they are there to hunt for their little submissive oriental geisha doll.

          • Zappa Frank

            even if I do agree that many foreigners are like that, still in the moment you state a sentence like “No ethnicity has ever earned the respect of others by gifting their women to foreigners.” means you see ‘your’ women as objects that cannot have a free will and mere properties..

            besides those kind of foreigners just fuck some girls, do not usually marry them or settle a family with them.
            they are not a treat to the ‘purity’ of your race…

            Needless to say, with 1.3 billion of Chinese only (not considering the other east Asians) whites in case should feel treated..

          • Insomnicide

            I couldn’t find a better term than gifting in English. It is more more polite and respectful than say “whoring” for example.

          • Zappa Frank

            inosmnicide, I’ve always appreciated you till now, I know that you don’t care about it, and indeed you really should not since i’m no one but just an avatar on chinasmack… but really is hard for me believe that you truly came out with this ‘national purity’, ‘gives women to other races’ and so on.. however, if you mind, just tell me…you really think mix marriage is threat for Chinese culture? don’t you think that Chinese culture is already heavy mashed with west culture (if not more) and that this doesn’t have anything to do with women since it happen even in china? don’t you think that your culture and background is by far more west than traditional Chinese? Do you really feel so threated to see Chinese women with western men? do you feel the same for Chinese men and western women?

          • Insomnicide

            Because Chinese culture is already in danger, that’s why people must fight harder to protect it. I don’t think one or two individual mix marriages is a threat to Chinese culture, but in the last few decades millions of Chinese women, or Asian women in general have been seeking refuge in the arms of non-Asian men. With the declining birth rates in East Asia, the already unfortunate mess Chinese culture is in, and the huge shortage of women in China. It has led me to believe strongly that the East Asian race needs to be protected and preserved.

            I see Chinese people with western people all the same. It does not matter men or women, in small numbers it is acceptable. In large numbers, it’s alarming. There’s been a long history of western fetishist sexual racism towards Asians. Which only makes it more insulting.

          • Zappa Frank

            do you realize that what you call ‘east Asian race’ and in particular Chinese, is the bigger race in numbers in the whole world and by far? do they need to be preserved…?are in danger of extinction? this trivial thing in case should come from white people….
            About the culture, no is BY FAR too late to talk about a traditional Chinese culture, after communism, capitalism and hyper consumerism.. you destroyed by yourself almost all.. I don’t want to come in an argument about what remain, but …. how come is threat a mixed marriage and not pop music? movies? and so on? do you want a new isolationism for china? north korea style?
            I agree with the fetishist, but do you think those are the kind of people that actually marry and settle a family with an Asian?

          • Insomnicide

            Chinese is the biggest race in numbers because they’ve preserved themselves for centuries…until now. As for the future, it looks bleak. Especially with the low birth rates, one child policy and so on.

            Traditional Chinese culture has been mixed with a lot of influences, but does that mean traditional Chinese culture has no right to be protected at all? No. Rather, because of how invasive other cultural elements are, more attention must be paid to the preservation.

            Actually, yes. A lot of fetishists do marry and settle families with Asians. Not of all are fetishists, but many are.

          • Zappa Frank

            I’m going to get tired. Seems to discuss with an elementary boy fulfilled of nationalism that refuse to use his brain. Chinese preserved
            themselves for centuries? What the hell are you talking about? Chienese did not
            know to be Chinese before, they mixed with their neighbor like EVERYONE.
            Chinese is simply an arbitrary/cultural construct, seems last time you wanted
            the material but you did not read anything.. there is nothing like Chinese race..
            is like I if I say European race did not mixed.. there are reason for huge
            numbers and are not the reason you think about, but apparently you prefer to
            keep on with nationalism stuff than study real things..

            Facts are: Chinese are the biggest population but YOU are scared of some mixed marriage, so much that for you apparently is better die
            virgin.. well face a mirror because more and more when we talk about insecure
            nationalist Chinese guys the description fit to you..

            about cultural thing…do you do anything to preserve except talking on internet? when was the last time you’ve been to see a Beijing opera or joined a cultural show that is endangered? I suspect never..

          • Insomnicide

            Is there something wrong with loving your nation or loving your people? Should I leave people to be run over cars to be considered not a nationalist?

            This is getting ridiculous. Calling me an elementary boy filled with nationalism and can’t use his brain. Would you say the same of people like Martin Luther King or Ghandi?

            So if Chinese is not a race, then what are Chinese people? Are the ‘white’? No. You only need to look, to see the difference. But even beyond that, scientists have categorized genetic groups of humans which Chinese people are one of them.

            You can use nationalism in a derogatory sense all you want, but that won’t change the fact that Chinese people refrained from overtly mixing with others. It is not ‘pure nationalism’ as you call it, but a fact of history.

            What is security? Not caring about people of your own race? Being selfish and ignorant? Not respecting the community?

            As for the cultural thing, I’m studying on the history and culture of China. Are you going to tell me you’re doing a better job of preserving Chinese culture? Regardless, without Chinese people what is the point of preserving culture? So the people must be preserved first. I doubt the interracial couples are preserving Chinese culture as one of the reason why they even married non-Chinese in the first place is because they have a fascination with foreign culture.

          • Is there something wrong with loving your nation or loving your people?

            I love my family, but I don’t get mad at them for venturing outside our gene pool.

            I doubt the interracial couples are preserving Chinese culture as one of the reason why they even married non-Chinese in the first place is because they have a fascination with foreign culture.

            By that logic, I doubt the interracial couples are preserving Western culture, as one of the reasons why they even married non-Western in the first place is because they have a fascination with foreign culture.

          • Zappa Frank

            again, if you do not study anything about it you cannot come out later talking about what scientist said because simply you do not know what you are talking about…
            and for the records you should find your research on google scholar and with a high value, not just some random research.. I’ve forwarded some material but or you did not read it or you did not consider it because it did not fit to your vision..this is called intellectual dishonesty
            there is nothing wrong in loving people, but there is a lot in feel threated by imaginary scenarios of extinction while the ethnic Chinese are the overwhelming majority.. this indeed is only completely irrational..therefore as you showed right now all rational arguments are completely useless with a person that live by fantasies and do not actually want to use the reason..
            so you preserve the mighty Chinese culture studying but living in a western society with a western life.. well just to say, except for babbling here you are not of big help for Chinese culture..
            ps
            do you compare yourself with king and ghandi? are you real…?

          • Insomnicide

            Have you studied anything about it? If you do, then you would know what I talking about,

            Ethnic Chinese are the overwhelming majority? Where are the other six billion then? And with the current birth rates and birth control policies, this is all an imaginary scenario? How have I been irrational when in the last few comments I have argued with you using reason?

            How would I live a more Chinese life? I eat, I sleep, I talk to people. Is that not Chinese enough for you?

            I’m not comparing myself with King or Ghandi, you completely missed the point. It’s about racial self-determination. How can people praise King or Ghandi while mock Asian self-determination? That is ridiculous.

          • Zappa Frank

            I’ve studied it hard, but seems you didn’t because so far everything you said is completely not accepted by any scholar that has some consideration in any academic stage..

            Chinese han are not the overwhelming majority?
            we are talking about 1.3 billion of Chinese and god knows how many other Asians.. decline birth rate? not more than among the you like so call ‘whites’.. and even giving that still overwhelming majority… about 1/5 of world population is hanzu.. now try to tell me again that is rational to think about han extinction..
            if you really think that they are in danger of extinction, also thanks to mixed marriage, we can even stop to talk here, because for me would be like to discuss about creationism, falt word and so on… I put your vision on the same level…

          • Insomnicide

            Chinese is not race? Are you sure you’ve studied human genes in the slightest? Many academic scholars in the field accepts there exists genetic halogroups which one of them Han Chinese belongs to.

            Chinese Han are not the overwhelming majority. They are not in the danger of extinction, but they are not safe either. And you aren’t considering the future. Putting my views on the same level as creationism…so you’ve never taken my comments seriously and really just wanted a quick jab at me.

          • Zappa Frank

            Chinese han are not overwhelming majority? 1/5 of world population what is than?
            if Chinese are threated than I guess other races should shoot kill anyone that don’t belong to their ethnic group at first sight..

          • The term you’re looking for is “plurality”. “Majority” implies more than 50%. “Plurality” implies the largest number of any group.

          • Zappa Frank

            thanks for the correction.. I thought was still a majority, a relatively majority…but still.. well my bad, that happens translating directly similar words from different language but with a slightly different meaning.

          • Of course Chinese aren’t a race. “Chinese” is a term of nationality, like “Russian” or “Indonesian”. Just because Han Chinese tend to have several distinguishing genetic features does not mean they are a distinct race. There is scientifically no such thing as discrete racial classification. You really just have no idea about this whole “evolution” thing, do you?

          • whuddyasack

            The overwhelming majority and most abundant race by far are Caucasians, the race Frank belongs too. They also reproduce at a greater rate than the Chinese and it gets even worse. In the US, White men “brag” about landing the Asian female, and gloat over the fact that the “Asian male gets no action” hahaha. Although with that said, it’s not like that is really true either but it actually highlights the vulnerability of the East Asian race to extinction.

            I don’t like the fake invulnerability that the Chinese are forced to believe in. The fact s I think we’re in much greater risks of becoming extinct than ever before. Chinese, like most Orientals reproduce and mature slowly, aren’t as sexually active and produce fewer offspring than other races. You don’t ever see a Chinese family with 12 kids the same way you see some rural living White family has so many. And all boys mind you. Very frightening…

            Here’s a good example. Originally and with common sense, it is obvious that Caucasians are more closely related to Negroids than Mongoloids who are genetically the furthest apart from all other humans. They sprang up in the same area, Middle East/North Africa/Egypt and thrived in the same environments, while I was told that Mongoloids like the Chinese were born from the ice age, a world of ice and snow. Yet the most commonly cited “research” will tell you that we’re both closer related to each other than to Negroids. Medical research however contradicts these claims. There’s been a great intermixing of our relative genepools as of late and I fear that some day we might cease to exist as an individual race.

            P.S. Much of this information was divulged to me through friends. That I’m actually using their information shows that we are living in desperate times and are in danger of becoming like the Native Americans.

          • whuddyasack

            The overwhelming majority is a very Chinese argument and their pride in their abundant population might be their ultimate downfall if they aren’t careful. FYI, Caucasians, i.e. your race are the most populous on Earth (and there are 1 billion “White Occidentals”, another 2 million if you include Middle Easterners/Indians.

            Frank, I understand were you’re coming from, but “Whites” are a very specific “ethnic” group. If you actually applied the correct racial groupings, based on genetics and what not, you’d find that Caucasians including Middle Easterners, Israelis, Iranians, North Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. outnumber Mongoloids (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc) by a significant margin. And while West/North European birth rates are decreasing, the same doesn’t hold true for other Caucasian groups. In our case, EVERY East Asian ethnicity without exception has declining birthrates. The fact is we’re actually dying OUT and some Japanese researcher even predicted a massive shaving off of Chinese population, even if his own nation’s population is at a more dangerous level.

            You guys are lucky. You still have the Arabs, Indians and North Africans breeding rapaciously to replace your own declining birth rates. We have NO replacement.

            If we’re not careful, Chinese would become the passenger pigeons of the human race. The Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporeans all are dying out.

            As a friend wisely pointed out and to quote him: “The world is 60% Caucasoid, 30% Mongoloid”

            That’s including Hanzu+Nihonjin+Tibetan+Southeast Asians. In this respect, I agree with Insomnicide.

          • Zappa Frank

            again I find your position ridicule.. first to put in one block whites Indians middle est people and north Africans? do you realize than in this is a classification and distinction arbitrary decided by you, with no evidences? Like Insomnicide you come out with a genetic difference but you again have completely no idea of what you are talking about..
            We are LUCKY because we have Indians and arabs? did your really can write this without laugh? 60%caucasoid and 30% mongoloid ? just 10% balcks? but where did the fuck you get this statistic? Your position is even more ridicule than the one expressed by insomnicide, I beg you to study something before coming out with this trash. Your classification was outdated even 50 years ago..
            Guys, if you are so insecure about yourself in finding a girl, just tell it straight, we may help, i’ll introduce you girls, yellow, black, white… but don’t come out with shit like the ‘mongolic’ race is on the edge of the extinction and than you have all the reason to be against mixed marriage..

          • whuddyasack

            60%caucasoid and 30% mongoloid. south americans are white?

            http://www.indigenouspeople.net/JapaneseLit/
            Effectively 60%, 30% and 10%.

            please find me studies that show how much we are close to them in comparison with others

            With pleasure.

            http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/human-genetic-variation-first.html

            I’ll summarize it for you. The smaller the number, the smaller the gap between the races. Thus, the distance of affinity NORTH EUROPEANS have from closest related to furthest are as follows:

            West Asian(Pakis, Arabs, Iraqis): 0.036
            Mediterranean: 0.057
            Indian: 0.065
            Red Sea: 0.068
            East Asians: 0.122
            SEA: 0.125
            Siberian/Central Asian: 0.126
            NE Siberian: 0.146
            Amerindian: 0.167

            Also do note the image at the bottom, with middle easterners (black circles) overlapping with Europeans (blue circles) and the South/West Asians (green circles) plotting closer on the x-axis than the East Asians (orange circles).

            if you are so insecure about yourself in finding a girl, just tell it straight

            Sigh… this is not what it’s about. I’m not insecure at all. In fact, I’m very happy for all of you if you can find any wife, Chinese or not and wish you happiness and a happy marriage. I’m still a believer in “Love conquers all”.

            At the same time, I realize the uniqueness of my own race. The reason why we look so different from everyone else is because of how isolated we’ve been and how we are in fact descendants of frosty conditions and not Mediterranean climates like the others. Is it really wrong to raise awareness that our birthrates are indeed frighteningly low and that we’re in fact dying out… It seems perfectly fine for a White person to defend his bloodlines but Asians aren’t allowed the same rights I guess.

            P.S. I put a lot of effort in this post and even dug up some of my friends’ emails and links. I normally wouldn’t agree with them but I’m starting to see why they think the way they do.

          • Zappa Frank

            maybe I was not clear and sincerely more the discussion get complicated more is difficult for me to express my meaning since I have some limits with English language.

            I’ll try.

            How do you define what Caucasoid? because you take as archetpius the north Europeans.. why? simply and arbitrary choice.

            How do you define which is the limit tolerable to be still considered a Caucasoid? again is you arbitrary choice.

            i’m sorry that in china I cannot open your links so I don’t know what is this about. since I don’t know what research from those dates were collected. but I really warning you to don’t take too seriously because the change is continuous and something of the 2000 is already too old to be reliable….anyway if you can give me the title i’ll try to find the source by myself.

            Apparently on the map in the bottom the distance from indian and European is almost the same as from European and Asians and from indian and east Asians…so why did you label them as ‘caucasics’?However it is not clear what’s on the X and what’s on the Y.

            Second thing is.. you said east Asians are endangered, again, do you realize having 1/5 of population of just Chinese how strange does it sound? do not call the low birth rate.. because this is something that can change, the fact is that still at present the biggest ethinc group of the world, by far, is the hanzu.. besides as said before the birth rate in south east Asian is not low..

            ” seems perfectly fine for a White person to defend his bloodlines but Asians aren’t allowed the same rights I guess”
            where? in the Ozarks maybe… I think is stupid as well.
            Thing are, races aren’t something always existed, and is by far naïve to think that will always exist as they are now… maybe other ‘races’ will comes out or maybe not. But is really naïve think that the world will always remain the same or that there is some values in remaining the same..
            p.s. if you can give me your email I’ll forward the research I’ve found..

          • whuddyasack

            Frank, I think I understand what you’re trying to say. Don’t worry about English limitations as I understand it isn’t your first language.

            How do you define what Caucasoid? because you take as archetpius the north Europeans.. why? simply and arbitrary choice.

            This is because in the US, White Caucasians are defined as North Europeans. In that table, I simply chose those subgroups with the smallest genetic distance, i.e. numbers to the North Europeans because I’d like to think of them as one family.

            How do you define which is the limit tolerable to be still considered a Caucasoid? again is you arbitrary choice.

            I chose those based on physical appearances. When you can look at the face of a certain ethnic/racial group and immediately disassociate them as White, then they no longer become Caucasoids. For example, a Vietnamese will almost 100% never be mistaken as White.

            anyway if you can give me the title i’ll try to find the source by myself.

            The first one is an informative website about indigenous people particularly Mongoloids. It is one dedicated towards Native Americans and has won several awards. Anyways, I used the website to get information on the percentages of the 3 races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid.

            The second one is where the images come from. Apparently, it’s Dienekes own input of the Dodecad Project and he just wanted to measure how close each racial grouping was to each other. The blurry map however came from came from Metspalu et al. (2011) “Shared and Unique Components of Human Population Structure and Genome-Wide Signals of Positive Selection in South Asia”. The x-axis is Dimension 1 and y-axis is Dimension 2 and they’re used to plot a point on the graph and capture some sort of variance. I labelled them together because when you look at it from the x-axis, it looks like the closest green circles towards the blue circles (European) cluster are closer than they are to the Asian ones.

            east Asians are endangered, again, do you realize having 1/5 of population of just Chinese how strange does it sound?

            I do realize how strange it sounds that is why I use the example of the passenger pigeon. They were the most common bird in America and people hunted and ate them so much because they believed the birds would never be extinct. Unfortunately, in the end all the passenger pigeons were gone.

            I used low birth rates because well, it seems many Asian countries are concerned about the aging population. Here is an article. I copied it down in case you weren’t able to access it.

            http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/china-unprecedented-demographic-problem-takes-shape

            In China, an Unprecedented Demographic Problem takes shape:

            Analysis
            Two reports in Chinese media highlight different aspects of China’s unfolding demographic crunch. The Ministry
            of Education reported Aug. 21 that more than 13,600 primary schools closed nationwide in 2012. The ministry looked to China’s dramatically shifting demographic profile to explain the widespread closures, noting
            that between 2011 and 2012 the number of students in primary and secondary schools fell from nearly 150 million to 145 million. It also confirmed that between 2002 and 2012, the number of students enrolled in
            primary schools dropped by nearly 20 percent. The ministry’s report comes one day after an article in People’s Daily, the government newspaper, warned of China’s impending social security crisis as the number of elderly is expected to rise from 194 million in 2012 to 300 million by 2025.

            The Communist Party is already considering measures to counter, or at least limit the short-term impact of, demographic changes in Chinese society. On one hand, the Party continues to flirt with relaxing the one-child policy in an effort to boost fertility rates, most recently
            with a potential pilot program in Shanghai that would allow only-child couples to have another child. On the other hand, the government has proposed raising the national retirement age from 55 to 60 for women and
            from 60 to 65 for men. If implemented, this would bring China’s retirement policy more in line with international norms and delay some of the financial and other social pressures created by the ballooning number of retirees dependent on government pensions and the care of
            their children.

            But even sweeping adjustments to the one-child policy or the national retirement age would create only temporary and partial buffers to the problem of demographic change. It is no longer clear that the one-child policy has any appreciable impact on population growth in China. China’s low fertility rate (1.4 children per mother, compared with an average of 1.7 in developed countries and 2.0 in the United States) is
            at least as much a reflection of urban couples’ struggles to cope with the rapidly rising cost of living and education in many Chinese cities as it is of draconian enforcement of the policy.

            Likewise, lifting the retirement age by five years will only partly delay the inevitable, and in the meantime it will meet stiff opposition from an important constituency of professionals, including many civil servants. In adjusting the retirement age, the government also risks aggravating an employment crisis among the rapidly growing population of unemployed college graduates in cities, many of whom are looking to filter into the employment ladder as elderly workers exit the workforce. In this context, the Communist Party must weigh policy adjustments carefully — any change it makes in one area is likely to create new
            tensions elsewhere in the workforce.

            The crux of China’s demographic challenge lies in the fact that, unlike Japan, South Korea, the United States and Western European countries, China’s population will grow old before the majority of it is anywhere near middle-income status, let alone rich. This is historically unprecedented, and its implications are made all the more unpredictable by its coinciding with the Chinese economy’s forced shift away from an economic model grounded in the exploitation of inexhaustibly cheap labor toward one in which young Chinese will be
            expected to sustain the country’s economic life as workers and as consumers. A temporary reprieve from the demographic crisis will be difficult but possible with reform, but a long-term solution is far out of reach.

            “Thing are, races aren’t something always existed, and is by far naïve to think that will always exist as they are now… maybe other ‘races’ will comes out or maybe not. But is really naïve think that the world will always remain the same or that there is some values in remaining
            the same..”

            I know what you mean. Things never stay the same, but at present would you find it weird if there was no Nigerian, Colombian, Italian or Japanese person looking like how they do know? Imagine if they all looked like below? I think mixed children sometimes suffer from identity crisis and bullying because they don’t know who they really are. Like Amanda Todd. However, I have many friends who are parents of mixed children and they are very good parents.

          • Zappa Frank

            about the first 2 parts. Is fine with me if you, according to the us custom, give that definition of ‘Caucasoid’ but still, it’s a choice, is not something “natural”. The difference between faces are easy if you take as examples vitenamese and English people, but in central asia it may be more difficult than become an arbitrary choice.

            I’ve read the research on google scholar

            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929711004885

            it doesn’t say anything new, just in that indian share more with west Europeans than with Asians. But if I am not wrong you went so far calling Indians as Caucasian and that we should be happy they mate so much.. which sincerely I still have to understand why.
            the pigeon of your example where actively killed (like many other animals), does this happen with Chinese? American Indians were invaded, does this happen in china?
            there is a low birth rate, ok, this happen in every developed country.. not only, this is likely something that MUST exist in order to develop a country. Now, even if nothing will ever change, it still will take thousands years before any kind of problems of endangering … In anyway the problems for a low birth rate are in the society’s changes, are not related with few mixed couple. If a lot of males cannot find a girl (and please note that this would not change the birth trend anyway) as I said there is plenty of single girls in china, but apparently after 27 years old they are considered old hags..
            Mixed children suffer a crisis due to the environment around, not for themselves. Just because people are so insecure that need to identify themselves in some bigger group, I’m Italian, does this say anything of me? NO. it’s nothing, I don’t identify myself in being Italian, to be genetically Italian say really nothing of me (I would say European because I doubt there is something like ‘genetically Italians’), and to be culturally Italian says only a bit more, but by far I don’t limit myself in that way, I even drink cappuccino after lunch sometimes (it’s a blasphemy in Italy). It is the other that do this… for mixed children this is not their problem, is a problem created by other people around..
            What if all Italians would turn black? this is something that will be decided by the history, in case we should know that first we are humans, that our genes will not be lost because we are more than our fair skin, blonde hair and so on..
            ps sorry for the late reply to your comments.

          • whuddyasack

            Haha, don’t worry about being late. We don’t always have the time of day and sometimes it’s much better to do other things than stay online. I might be AWOL for a while myself since I think it’s about time I enjoyed the break with friends as my Mighty brother suggested lol. You are right, we have no control over the future and never know what tomorrow may bring.

            Thank you for the Science direct article. I said that because many Indians do look White, especially in the North they can be mistaken for Greek, Iranian or maybe even Italian. Sometimes when I look at a South or East European I see the Indian features, so do you know in the US, there are many Middle Easterners and West Asians like the Kardashians who are considered White. I mean that in the US at least, once they run out of Europeans, they can then easily replace those with Indians. Can a Japanese replace their population with Malaysians and Laotians? They already don’t like to replace their populations with Koreans and Chinese.

            True about the pigeon and the native Americans, but all I’m saying is just because something has a huge population today does not mean it will be the same tomorrow.

            I agree with your points on low birth rates and never actually related it with mix-couples. I’ve never thought that there were that many mix couples compared to Chinese x Chinese/Asian couples anyway. Low birth rate is usually a good indication that populations will decline in the future. Yes, the leftover woman is a story in itself and I think it is kind of sad that the ideas are still so old-fashioned in some parts. Hopefully in the future the society will grow out of it.

            I laughed at the Italian blasphemy reference as I’m not that familiar with Europe. But I agree that sometimes, people are insecure so they hang out in big groups but isn’t it quite the same as foreigners in Asia who hang out amongst themselves as well? Because they are in the minority. Anyway, my concern is that if Chinese do become like the native Americans, people will deny our race and say there is no Chinese race, just a Chinese culture as is the case in this story about native Americans, the invisible race, the author and the women in the picture look just like my native Canadian friends, and their families at the reserves. I practically grew up with them, and we used to go on the same websites and forums together and truly enjoy things together such as hiking and fishing, a friend even taught me how to use a bow and arrows but I actually fail at this haha. My grandmother was an Iroquoian, a Mohawk but that’s something else:

            http://thoughtcatalog.com/braudie-blais-billie/2014/04/10-things-you-dont-know-about-american-indians/

            I hope someday, there would be unity amongst the native American, Canadian and South American tribes just like I hope Asians can be united and free. All of them.

            I guess I don’t want the Chinese to suffer the same fate and grow up wondering if it is just their culture and not their genetics that make up who they are as they look into the mirror and see a non-Asian face.

          • Zappa Frank

            well a good begin could be to stop with such extensive use of plastic surgery and creams to have a look more “white” with round eyes and high nose… even in the models I see on advertisements here in SH are mixed, white or Asians that look more close to me than to any other Asians around..

          • whuddyasack

            It’s a good point but I think there is a danger of the media sensationalizing the plastic surgery amongst Asians. It happens but it isn’t nearly as common as some people believe. I don’t know a single Asian who has done the procedure. To say that the Asians do it to look “White” is a double edged sword and IMO offends everyone. They do it to look like Asian celebrities based on Asian ideals. It sounds like another way to blame “White” people and place more guilt on them TBH. At the same time, it feeds victimization and “self-hatred” amongst Asians. At the end of the day, it doesn’t benefit anyone except those seeking to gain from negative race relations.

            Also, your example of plastic surgery is a very good example of tribalism and how people view the “other”. A report on Asians undergoing plastic surgery in record numbers suddenly becomes all Asians do it and if she looks good, then she must’ve gone under the knife. I think it’s ridiculous. White people have done it for longer, and an American is far more likely to do it than a Chinese yet no one bats an eye. Yet Asians don’t bother sitting down and generalizing others based on what a few of them do. In fact, my Japanese American friend used to think it was only White people doing nose jobs and implants showing that she was surprised that “Asians often took plastic surgery” lol.

            There is also a danger of lumping all Asian countries together. I believe statistics actually vary between them and in the case of China, you have to take its population into account. In terms of total number, the US dwarfs China in plastic surgery procedures by up to 4 times. Per capita, China isn’t even in the top 10.

            http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/01/daily-chart-22?fsrc=scn/fb/dc/plasticsurgery

            But I agree with your last bit on the models. China in particular idolizes White people a lot and yes there are many White-looking mixed Asians modelling but also plenty of White people. Frank, not sure if you’re interested but there are many different kinds of beauty in China and many different renditions of the ideal beauty. Furthermore, there are different kinds of models for different purposes. The tall, leggy Northern types as well as White, mixed are auto salon/show girls. In Japan/Korea/Taiwan, some of these girls double up as race queens or paddock girls but more often then not, they are separate categories.

            What I’m trying to say is this, Chinese do admire the appearance of White people, but being pragmatic, there are some explanations available for high frequency of Western-type models ie to project the image of internationality, and being globally recognized.

          • whuddyasack

            About the mixed raced children, I agree it is never their fault. Mixed-race sons that look more Asian suffer in horrible ways but I think mixed race females suffer in their own way too. When an Asian/Hapa female is raped by strangers in America, she suffers in silence, read this story. It is very sad and there are some that are even sadder. They may be part Caucasian, but they are also part Asian so of course I feel for them like one of my own. To me, I accept them as Asian:
            http://stuffeurasianslike.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/asian-women-are-shocked-that-i-feel-the-way-i-do/

            to future parents of eurasian children, from your eurasian daughter

            About a year and a half ago I came across the blog “Stuffeurasianmaleslike” . For the first time in my life I felt that there was somebody else out there who felt the way I did about being eurasian. I felt, as an eurasian person that I was supposed to live up to this mythified life of being extremely attractive, smart and accepted by both Asians and Caucasians. That I was supposed to live up to the” eurasian beauty” and the “best of both worlds” myths. Instead, when I look in the mirror I see a jumble of asian and caucasian features that don’t synchronize with eachother….something is wrong with my face, my body, my soul…… I am a slow thinker, I have been asked if I suffer from a learning disability before and I have wondered it myself many times.I never had a date in highschool and I lost my virginity to a taxi driver who took advantage of me.Despite my mother’s best efforts to turn me into a piano virtuoso, I suck at it. and it’s not as if I was lazy and didn’t practice. I’m just simply stupid and talentless.

            I feel rejected from both my Asian and Caucasian cultures. I am also female. I feel many people, though shocked by the idea that a eurasian may lead less than a charmed life are able to swallow the fact that a male might feel that way a little easier. But they can’t possibly conceive that a female eurasian may feel this way. Afterall, we’re all supposed to be hot, exotic import models aren’t we?! Men are supposed to lust after our petite Asian bodies with just the right amount of non-asian curves and we all are supposed to have beautiful silky asian hair and exotic almond shaped but not “chinky” eyes right?! I feel I was groomed from birth, had it written from birth to be a prostitute to white and other non asian men. The eurasian son of asian female/white male couplings feels emasculated by his parents union. He feels emasculated at birth, he feels doomed to live stripped of his masculinity . The eurasian female is doomed from birth to be a prostitute to white and other non Asian men as a result of her mother’s poor choice. I feel I was doomed to be a semen receptacle. I do not belong to any “in group” I am forever doomed to be a woman without brethren to back her. Forever doomed to be an “othered” slut.I prefer asian men. I steer clear of White and other non asian men in my dating choices. but that doesn’t insulate me from the perceptions others have of me that I’ m a little half Asian prostitute.

            It all became so clear to me at age 11. when my goofy white father decided to sit me down and have a chat with me about “what a beautiful young woman I was turning into” . He went on to tell me that I was only to date white men. When I asked him why, he told me that white men were “more civilized” and would be the only men capable of taking care of me, his little future semen receptacle princess. I asked him if Asian men were okay since I was half asian. He simply answered “no”. His racism became even more clear to me when my younger brother became of dating age and my father started pushing him towards asian girls and setting him up with young asian women (who I have no clue how the heck he met, nor do I want to know) who he would often assign descriptors such as “silky raven hair” and “petite” to. So it was written, my brother was supposed to end up with an asian woman, and I was supposed to end up with a white dood.

            Hate me or disagree with me all you want but I know that asian female/white male couples don’t exist in spite of racism but instead occur because of racism. They are not indicators of how “love is colourblind” or triumphant displays against racism. The future children are not “bridges” nor are we for the most part particularily beautiful or intelligent. I am proud to proclaim I am genetic garbage. I hope one day to proclaim this to the next smug faced asian female/white male couple I see. But I’m a coward so…..

          • Zappa Frank

            whuddy I sincerely believe that blog is a fake, but I can’t read it from china.
            even if it was true, it is just an easy way for her to find an excuse for her problem in being Eurasian..if she has the family she described no wonder.. and no wonder she thinks in that way about interracial relation, lucky for us I think we are far better than his father..
            She doesn’t like her face? well of course, is not that being Hapa makes you a beauty, that’s obvious..if she was an ugly white or east Asian what would she complain about?
            Even if we suppose is true, just one voice, many Eurasian live a good life and enjoy their being half and half…
            there are also people who cruse themselves for being Chinese… than what? does someone who do not like being Chinese makes all Chinese miserable?

          • whuddyasack

            Actually, I think the blog is quite real based on the explanations and grievances expressed by many Hapas in the US. Apparently, from what I was told having an identity crisis was a very big problem for many of them.

            I’m not sure, perhaps it is better in Europe but in the US and Canada, it sometimes seems like Hapas have a really tough life although I agree it’s based on individuals. Some have it hard and deal with acceptance issues, others have it easier

            lucky for us I think we are far better than his father..

            Thank you. That is all I wanted to know. I don’t doubt that many who have families here are good fathers just as I’ve seen and appreciated many of my friends who are good parents to mixed race children. It’s just horror stories do get the best of me and when I frequently hear about them, I feel uncomfortable and terrible because these kids didn’t choose their parents. If anything, their parents made the choice. I believe in true love but you know… I won’t repeat myself about my fears of a mestizo world.

            As a side note, I used to think the same way on adoption, that adoptees treated Chinese orphans as pets, choosing their preferences, genders, etc and sometimes abusing their foster children. That was until truly powerful examples made me see things from a different light.

            Of course I still wish that someday, a Chinese government will have the means of looking after the abandoned children of China and that Chinese people will increasingly open up their hearts to adopt. It’s heartwarming to see this trend actually increase in recent years.

          • whuddyasack

            P.S. Frank, is it OK if I try to give you my email through a
            moderator like Kai? It’s not personal but it’s just to keep a stalker off.

            P.P.S. It’s true. What you see in this article is “bitching
            by insecure” people. The truth is the ones who are most angry and talk the most are the ones who can’t get women. Even the most desperate won’t want them because well, think about it, if you were a girl, would you
            want someone who constantly calls girls horrible names for choosing to marry out. At the same time, I think some Chinese men are way too choosy even if they aren’t good looking themselves. I also dislike disloyalty,
            men that get mistresses and sleep around but it’s not actually Chinese culture as some would say, giving reference to how the emperors used to have multiple concubines. It was always a characteristic of the
            aristocracy, the rich, the powerful and the average peasant/Chinese is a man with only one wife.

            As you’ve proven with leftover women, the single male problem because of gender imbalances is often exaggerated and babies are always being born into this world. The truth is all over the world, there are men with issues, struggling to find someone. I think they are just like some of the “women haters” in the US and Canada
            who call themselves some sort of manosphere. You already know the answer, “insecurity”, you already know my answer I don’t oppose mixed marriages but I like us for how we look, and you already know why old parents, brothers, moms do it. They are overprotective maybe because they knew of other children hurt in the past.

          • You guys are lucky. You still have the Arabs, Indians and North Africans breeding rapaciously to replace your own declining birth rates. We have NO replacement.

            This is such an absurd mentality. There is no “luck” in being replaced by a foreign civilization that just happens to share common ancestors. Chinese certainly would not consider themselves lucky if they were completely replaced by the Japanese; I guess you can’t fathom why they tried so damn hard to defend their nation against Japanese rule in WWII, even though Japanese are far more similar to Chinese than Indians or Arabs are to Europeans.

            Besides, ALL humans share common ancestors, so by your own logic, East Asians are lucky because they still have Arabs, Indians, and Africans breeding rapaciously to replace their own declining birth rates.

          • whuddyasack

            I guess you can’t fathom why they tried so damn hard to defend their
            nation against Japanese rule in WWII, even though Japanese are far more
            similar to Chinese than Indians or Arabs are to Europeans.

            And aren’t we all glad they actually resisted? The world would be a very different place had they not. Anyways, back on topic, I think this has more to do with the same reason the Tibetans and Uighurs are opposing Chinese occupation. Yes, I’ve said the word, finally.

            Like I said, Arabs and Indians can pass for Europeans but they can never pass for East Asians. Black Americans do closely resemble White Americans.

          • Ethnic Han are the overwhelming plurality.

            Current birth rates in China are no less than in Europe or white America, so that point is moot.

            You do not support racial self-determination. When women of your race determine to marry outside their race, you call them whores. How can you yearn to subjugate them whilst championing self-determination? That is a ridiculous mockery of the concept.

          • don mario

            chinese have done a great job of destroying their own culture, they don’t need anyone else to help them do that mate.

          • Dr Sun

            Completely and utterly misinformed and wrong.
            Point 1- the country of china has the biggest population because even before the “warring states(,475 BC)” it was incorporating numerous ethic groups “tribes” with distinctly different genotypes into itself. Most recently and directly related to your hundreds of years of self- preservation notion would be the Mongolian invasions (you may have heard of Ghengis_Khan) which lead to the Yuan Dynasty (1231_1378) and The man Invasion (Qin), which lead to the Qing dynasty 1611_1911). As you can see neither of these groups are Han and both mixed extensively with Han. Finally the incorporation of Tibet, again a distinctly different genotype.
            Point 2- traditional Chinese culture was finally destroyed in the 1960’s- 70’s by something called the “cultural revolution, not by external forces.
            Point 3- being attracted to Asian women is not a fetish its a preference, you dont marry a fetish (well apart from gun owners joining the nfa), fetishists visit hookers, then return to the dull and boring.

          • Germandude

            For a long time, I thought you were a cool commenter on cS, because you actually had sth interesting to contribute to most discussions.
            In this discussion, you appear to be a simple-minded, insecure guy, that is stereotyping and thus, showing his ignorance.

            At least, you are honest and state in your disqus profile “Armchair Analyst”. Thanks for that at least.

          • Insomnicide

            If criticizing racist sexism of ‘yellow fever’ fetishists is simple minded and secure then I would rather be a insecure simpleton who fights for racial self-determination than passively let these people pollute the world with their unjust ideals.

            It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but I feel the need to voice my opinions in a context where people are deny the existence of such unjust and arrogant motives.

          • Wa

            “long history of western fetishist sexual racism towards Asians”

            Of course, there’s that EQUALLY LONG history of overseas Chinese fetishizing “Chinese culture” (oh wit’l baby, you need to be saved) as an excuse for racism. We know what kind of Bi you hittin’, though, right?

            Consider this: If they were taken as “representative”, your words would be a disgrace to Chinese culture.

          • ScottLoar

            I’d venture this “bi” is Ming Dynasty mimicing Han Dynasty style. It could also be made to deceive; a close look at the aging should show if it is chemically induced or natural.

          • don mario

            “Because Chinese culture is already in danger”

            you are a little bit late for this conversation mate, chinese culture has already been damaged beyond repair. in the mainland anyway..

          • KamikaziPilot

            Zappa Frank (wasn’t that a musician?), I just wanted to add that as an Asian male living in the West (US), I feel that a lot of Asians will have a different perspective on race than you. I myself don’t care for all this “national purity”, “stealing our women”, “dilution of the gene pool”, “threat to culture” kind of BS. All those that say those kinds of things come off as either bitter, ignorant, or both.

            I don’t agree with everything Insomnicide says but I think what it really comes down to is that many Asians are led to believe that everything Western is automatically better than everything Asian. This causes an inferiority complex among some Asians, which isn’t a healthy outlook on life. So what many Asians are concerned about is Western cultural hegemony being imposed on them.

          • Germandude

            that many Asians are led to believe that everything Western is automatically better than everything Asian.

            I agree. Asians should learn how to advertise their cultures in order to make non-Asians buying into that. Now THAT would actually be the right step to do.

            Since western culture is easily marketed & exported all over the world, and many Asians adoring it, it’s no wonder that it’s successfull. Now earn respect by making me believe that being “Chinese-like” is “cooler” than the American way of life (just an example, and with “me”, I don’t mean me personally now, but I mean consumers).

          • Probotector

            The Japanese did it successfully.

          • Zappa Frank

            well not really… what’s of Japanese culture in west? manga ninja and porn? what’s of west culture in japan, almost everything…

          • Probotector

            Uh, there’s more to it than that. How about electronics brands, video games, remember when pokemon was the shit? Yo! Sushi has come to the West, the list goes on, have a look.

          • Zappa Frank

            pokemon and other stuff are manga culture, but electronic stuff, videogames and so on are originated from western culture. I do not deny the contribute of japan, but it is not just japan culture..

          • KamikaziPilot

            Yup, Asians in general just don’t fully comprehend the power of mass media and soft power and how it affects their thinking. Hopefully this changes but I’m not holding my breath. I’m doing my part by trying to educate people when given the chance but I can only do so much. It’s really nauseating when Asians seem so passive compared to other groups, just content to go with the status quo. When they start putting random Chinese people on advertisements in the West to make their products look cool, I’ll be satisfied. Hell, if for any reason you were out of a job in China you could probably get a job selling whatever products, just pretend you’re a model (they’ll probably believe you) and take a picture with a beer in your hand. Now everyone will think it’s cool to drink that beer. Maybe I’m exaggerating a bit but you hopefully you get my point.

          • Germandude

            Understood your point. Cheers

          • You are so mindbogglingly arrogant and morally self-righteous that it is no wonder you are such a staunch defender of virginity. What woman would want to be with such a chauvinistic and misogynistic pig who only sees her as a product of her race and gender?

            Get over your obsession with race. People from different races loving each other is no more “whoring” than people from different provinces loving each other. Your argument sounds as silly as a Cantonese male complaining about Cantonese women “whoring” themselves to Mandarin northerners.

          • Germandude

            He should simply tighten up his game to impress women so that he gets one. Last I noticed, girls don’t like the insecure dudes that fall back on pittying themselves…

          • Insomnicide

            Maybe i am self righteous, but I am far from arrogant and misogynistic. You are the arrogant cur who’s denying the existence of yellow fever fetishists who are the very embodiment of sexual racism towards Asians. You are a sexist, and racist. By saying idiotic things like everyone should be mixed, is inherent claiming that unmixed people are flawed or inferior. You are saying there’s something wrong with individual races as they are. That is the epitome of racism. If anything, you’re the racist misogynist pig here. Of course, racism and sexism is nothing new to CS. But for someone like you to come along and accuse me of being one while dishing out comments like that and getting support for it is absurd and hypocritical.

            If the only quality of people you judge is based on the status of their virginity, then you are nothing but a shallow, vain, brainless meathead.

          • You are the arrogant cur who’s denying the existence of yellow fever fetishists

            When did I do that? Please quote where I did such a thing.

            By saying idiotic things like everyone should be mixed

            When did I say that? Please quote where I said such a thing.

            You are saying there’s something wrong with individual races as they are.

            When did I say that? Please quote where I said such a thing.

            As usual, you’re putting words in my mouth because you can’t rebut what I’ve actually said.

            Let me spell this out for you:

            I don’t give a fuck who fucks who. If you want to fuck only people of your race, great, I don’t give a shit. What I do have a problem is when you denounce people as “whores” for not ascribing as much importance to racial purity as you do.

            Let me ask you a question:

            Do you think people are whores for marrying racially identical people of other religions?

            For example, do you think a Christian Arab is a whore for marrying a Muslim Arab? Do you think a Catholic European is a whore for marrying a Protestant European? Do you think an Orthodox Jew is a whore for marrying an irreligious Jew?

          • Germandude

            Oh. My. God.

          • xiaode

            oh my god… you are right.. every word you said is the truth… i am such a shameful 老外…

            (whatever you took before you wrote this bullshit, next time take a little but less of it..)

          • mr.wiener

            I would blush if I made a generalization this huge about Chinese people.

          • Chinese women are submissive? Fuck I must have been gifted a dud one! Where can I return it?

          • Port of Dandong

            “More than half of foreign expats in Asia aren’t staying there because they like the country, rather they are there to hunt for their little submissive oriental geisha doll.”

            I presume you have a source for that or did you just pull it out your arse with the rest of the ubermensch shite you sprouted?

          • Probotector

            This, from the same guy who only the other day said

            Insomnicide • a day ago
            “My faith in humanity has already been destroyed by how many self-righteous, hypocritical, bigoted and Sinophobic arseholes there are in this world.”

            I guess it’s okay when he does it.

          • wnsk

            lol. i can see your smirk a mile away.

          • Insomnicide

            What did i ‘do’ exactly? I have not made any racist comments. Being against interracial relations does not make you a racist.

            I guess it’s okay when Probotector’s being a dick, but not anyone else.

          • Being against interracial relations means being against interracial offspring, which means you’re against interracial people on the basis of their racial identity, which…is racist.

          • Insomnicide

            Mixed offsprings do not constitute as a race. Being against the preservation of races and ethnically homogeneous societies however, is racist because you find the thought of individual races unpleasant.

          • Mixed offsprings have a racial identity, and you oppose their racial identity.

            I am not the one who finds the thought of individual races unpleasant; you are the one who finds the thought of mixed races unpleasant. Do not attempt to construct a false equivalence here; I am opposing nothing more than your opposition to the consensual relationships of sovereign individuals.

          • Dr Sun

            tell you a secret….. shhhhh, listen carefully. There is only one race THE HUMAN RACE.

          • wnsk

            Hang on there, Matt. Would you not agree…that there are differing levels of racial prejudice/discrimination, and that there should be a meaningful distinction between someone who just frowns on interracial marriages as opposed to someone who practices active and hateful/harmful discrimination of another race on an extreme and daily basis? You know what I mean, right?

            I think I know a lot of people who, like Insomniac, frown on interracial marriages (not an opinion I share, by the way) but who don’t seem to discriminate racially in many other areas. As such, it doesn’t seem entirely right to label them a racist except in that one sense. Currently, I don’t see these people as racists, but just racially discriminative in terms of mixed marriages.

            Now my objective is not to defend Insomniac, but I’m genuinely unsure about this and would like to hear your thoughts on it.

          • “Racism” is unfortunately an etymologically limited term which out of necessity is forced to absorb many different meanings in lieu of viable alternative terms. I acknowledge that Insomnicide has been cautious enough to have not made any explicitly targeted remarks attacking specific races. However, racism can most broadly be characterized as categorically perceiving people negatively on the sole basis of their racial identity, and in that respect, Insomnicide’s negative perception of mixed race people––due to nothing else but their racial identity––clearly qualifies as racism. Insomnicide has also contemptuously slandered non-Asians by characterizing those of them who dare to mate with Asians as essentially immoral sexual perverts. Categorically slandering all races that are not your own surely qualifies as racist. Insomnicide pointedly did not characterize people of his own race and gender who mate with other races in any negative manner whatsoever.

          • wnsk

            Ok. Without explicitly agreeing or disagreeing (can’t make up mind about this just yet), I note and thank you for your response.

          • Insomnicide

            I’ve already explicitly stated, Asian man or women should not be mixing with other race either. Now you’re really just grasping at straws.

            I’ve only slandered those who fetishize other races. Where have I insulted non-Asian people who stay within their race?

            Matt, you however have stated that “ethnically homogenous societies are dull and uninteresting” while ironically using Korea and Japan as examples…both nations are culturally prized across the world.

          • Grasping at straws? Give me a break. I’ve made 4 or 5 comments, none of which you’ve responded to. Don’t think I haven’t noticed that.

            You never answered my question about same-race people of different religions marrying each other:

            Do you think people are whores for marrying racially identical people of other religions?

            For example, do you think a Christian Arab is a whore for marrying a Muslim Arab? Do you think a Catholic European is a whore for marrying a Protestant European? Do you think an Orthodox Jew is a whore for marrying an irreligious Jew?

            You never responded to my comment regarding my thoroughly successful multicultural city:

            I live in a multicultural society, and it is about as close to utopia as a place on earth can get.

            Some facts about my multicultural city:

            Because Irvine is home to very good public schools, a large number of jobs requiring a skilled workforce, and residential housing, Irvine was chosen in 2008 by CNNMoney.com as the fourth best place to live in the United States. In 2012, it was ranked in sixth place. In September 2011, Businessweek listed Irvine as the 5th best city in the US. In June 2010, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported that Irvine had the lowest violent crime rate among cities in the United States with populations of more than 100,000, and in August 2008 the Census Bureau ranked Irvine as having the seventh highest median income among cities in the United States with populations of more than 65,000. In 2014, Irvine was named the best run city in America by 24/7 Wall Street.

            It’s hard to imagine a society functioning better it does here. It’s safe, clean, and well-run. Living standards are high, and the economy has been booming throughout the so-called global recession. People here are aware that we live in a little paradise. Most of the rest of the world could only wish it were as prosperous, stable, and peaceful as Irvine.

            You never responded to all my other comments rebutting every single BS argument you’ve made.

            Matt, you however have stated that “ethnically homogenous societies are dull and uninteresting” while ironically using Korea and Japan as examples…both nations are culturally prized across the world.

            This is either a willful lie or another example of your limited comprehension capability. This is what I really said:

            Absolute nonsense. By that logic, any country is inherently dull in its own domestic vacuum, and ethnically homogenous countries like Korea and Japan are dullest of all.

            Don’t think you can get away with deceitfully misrepresenting others’ words on the Internet. You can’t. You will get called out on it. Shame on you for having the gall to even attempt such a thing. This is the third time I’ve had to comment on you putting words in my mouth because you can’t rebut what I’ve actually said. Have you no shame?

          • Insomnicide

            How can I even respond to your comments if Disqus isn’t showing them for me? Have you no shame making blatant assumptions? I can’t even see my own comments half the time.

            None the less you’re still grasping at straws talking about Asian men mixing with others when I’ve already explicitly stated it’s not about gender. And mentioning religion, that’s not even close to what we’re talking about.

          • Not sure why Disqus comments wouldn’t be showing for you. In all my years of Disqusing, I have never ever heard of that happening. Nonetheless, assuming you’re telling the truth, you still had an opportunity to address the points I raised in the comment you just replied to, and you tellingly chose not to.

            I didn’t even mention Asian men in the comment you replied to. So why did you, again, put words in my mouth? This is the fourth time I’ve had to comment on you putting words in my mouth because you can’t rebut what I’ve actually said.

            Do not back out of the religion question. I am asking it for a damn good reason, and I think you’re well aware what my point is, which is why you’re afraid to answer it.

          • Zappa Frank

            in the end they do a discrimination (who can marry who) according to the ‘race’.. than it is racism. But besides that there is something more, someone with this vision is also, like isnomicide, a fan of the ‘pure race’ that have to live in a ‘pure state’ racially homogeneus and without cultural influence from outside… (I’ve just repeated what he said). does it still seem not a racist vision? Not to mention that is a vision highly anti-historical and in contrast with the human nature… in the end even a bit hypocrite, because am I right when I say that this things just goes for foreigners in china while he can close both eyes with Chinese abroad? doesn’t he live in western country? but there is also..”protection of the race” like if han were about to disappear.. this is an excuse where he tried to rationalize a feeling that is not rational..

          • Insomnicide

            Where have i said pure race and pure state? Where? Point it out. Don’t just put words in my mouth. I serious expected better from you. And secondly, I came to the a western country to educate myself, not to sexually harass the local women and demonize the local men.

          • Zappa Frank

            demonize western man is what you do now. second why to come to educate yourself in another culture? don’t you want to preserve yours? can you see the incongruence? Do you realize you are yourself a vector of western culture in china?
            Chinese woman for you cannot have a babies with foreigners, because in this way han will be less and less.. or better pure han 100%..because half han are white right? despite of your concern more likely the sun become a red giant before the han got vanished.. while china must remaina state of 100% pure Chinese, homogeneus .. those are things that you said..
            i’m sorry for your bad luck with women where ever you have been… but if it happened to get a date, according to your way of thinking they should have shoot you dead since whites are by far more endangered than Asians..

          • Insomnicide

            So criticizing the behaviour of a few and arguing against a few westerners on CS is the same as demonizing? I didn’t come to educate myself in another culture, again stop making things up. And how am I vector of western culture, have I worshipped consumer brands, western media or exported western customs to China? No.

            Where did I say half Han are white? Where did I say China must remain 100% pure Chinese? Those are not things I said, again putting words in my mouth.

            Whites are far more endangered than Asians, true, but why should they shoot me dead? I haven’t advocated for resorting to violence at all. And since whites are far more endangered than Asians, all the more reason for them to refrain from mixing with other races too much.

          • Zappa Frank

            you don’t even realize that just educating yourself in another culture makes of you a vector of that culture in your society? or you think that education is something to be taken so light? My dear you are working against yourself and you don’t even know it.. you are bringing in china new ideas, new way of thinking and all WESTERN..

            Where did I say half Han are white? Where did I say China must remain 100% pure Chinese? Those are not things I said, again putting words in my mouth.

            Did not you say it? than what is the endangerment you babbling about if you are not talking to ‘preverserve the chinese people’? You said it clear, “chinese are endangered”..of what? of lost their ‘purity’ of course, what else.. you are lucky that internet suck so hard today here, else I can go up and down to take this word by word from your post..
            Give up already with this story of endangerment.. can’t you see how pathetic.. how many of this mixed couples that are endangering 1.30 billion people? 1/5 of human population!!

            I would like to add that now you claim is a few, but before you said most of us come in china just to screw yellow women since we have all this fetishism … and what white people say here on CS about yellows is exactly the same with opposite versus.

          • Insomnicide

            I may not be a poster boy for Chinese traditional culture, but none the less I can safely say I’m more invested in traditional values and culture than the average Han Chinese people these days. I have learnt a lot about western ideals and culture, but that hasn’t taken over and made me westernized. So how can I be a vector of western culture if I’m not bringing western culture with me to China?

            Again, there might be 1 billion Chinese people now, and the majority of them Han Chinese. It won’t stay that way, Did you even read about what I said of birth rates and death rates? It seems you have a selective memory.

            Mesoamericans were once a huge part of human population, and look at them today. How many people are still true native American or Mayan?

            And once again, I didn’t say ‘you’ all had this fetishism. It seems you’re taking that comment very personally. But the people that do have ‘yellow fever fetishism’ don’t go to China, Korea, Japan, etc. because they like the country itself. And these people form a large majority of western or foreign expatriates all over Asia. Thailand for example, is a hotbed of foreign sex tourism. And I know there are many racist comments on CS between whites and yellows. But I’m not here to attack all white people. Anyone could be a ‘yellow fever’ fetishist. White, black, Hispanic. My comments are directed towards those people, so if you’re not one of them, you can rest easy.

          • mr.wiener

            None the less, anyone married to a Chinese person is bound to take that personally. You cannot make a statement like you did then distance yourself from it later with provisos and not expect to take some flak for it.

          • Zappa Frank

            the only analogy that come in my mind to speak with you is the creazionism.. someone who does not know about what is talking, but still keep on without realizing how absurd is what he says.. unlucky now I don’t have time anymore, I hope you may read what I linked you at the time.. but I doubt you will. bit at least what is this genitc and ‘race’ that you like much babbling about.
            Do not justify you, your statements are clear, most of us is here because of yellow fever, I gave you intentionally before, many way to change and review that, to be more polite, you decided was not the case.. so at lest don’t be pathetic complaining about whites that talk shit of yellow and insecure men.. and to be straight I can say they are talking about you, because to be afraid for 1.3 billion of han for some mixed couples it takes A LOT of insecurity.
            ps you are illuding yourself if you think that after an education in a western country you have not been westernized to a some degree..

          • Insomnicide

            How can I read what you linked if I can’t even see your link….

          • Zappa Frank

            I offered you even to send the file by email, do you remember or you want some other excuse?

          • Insomnicide

            Come on, are you still attacking me after I sincerely asked to see your link?

            And as for that offer, I remember now I said for you to post the link here on CS.

          • nickhz

            what is your obsession with this ” yellow fever “? everyone has a prefference or a “type” some guys like white girls, some like black girls some chinese guys like white and black girls….. do you really think that it is this huge epidemic? that all whites or blacks come here because they have “yellow fever”? you paint the foreigners as sex crazed maniacs that come to rob your country of its women, you are insane. there is nothing wrong with loving who you love, no matter what color their skin is. if you want to close yourself off to options and opportunity, that’s fine. but keep your primitive thoughts to yourself…. and if you think that the foreigners here in china are sex crazed, how do you explain the fact that prostitution amongst chinese people is insanely out of control? you can pretend that it is a western thing but it’s not. i have lived in china for a few years and almost every married chinese man i know has gone to a prostitute.

          • Insomnicide

            If they have a fascination with Asians it’s called yellow fever. It they have a fascination with blacks it’s called jungle fever. If they have a fascination with whites it’s called white fever etc. etc.

            Anyway it’s not about sexual activeness. It’s about sexual racism and sexism.

          • nickhz

            i think you are the racist here. because you find a certain type to be beautiful is not racist. do you find chinese women to be the most beautiful? if so, do you have “yellow fever”? oh let me guess, because you are chinese it doesnt apply to you?

          • Insomnicide

            Are you really this dense or do you not understand the concept?

          • nickhz

            the fact that you view the world and its people based on race, creed or color just shows that you are an ignorant person. you sit here and say all of this nonsense and think you are of an educated mind. you are a bigot and closed minded individual. you avoid questions that are asked of you because you can’t answer them and stay on your high horse. I have an amazing chinese girlfriend and our relationship is not based on our different cultures or color. She is not obsessed with the west, she does not ONLY date foreigners, she has actually never dated a foreigner before me. all of what you are saying is complete bullshit. but go on and enjoy your ignorant existance. it is not a surprise that you are still a virgin, what woman would want an ignorant bigot in her bed

          • Insomnicide

            Okay so you’re either trolling or here to throw personal insults at me instead of addressing the argument itself. Either way I’m not taking the bait.

          • nickhz

            avoid avoid avoid…. great plan

          • Germandude

            You shouldn’t bother too much. He’s not worth the effort.

          • nickhz

            absolutely right….

          • fabulous

            I think that maybe he understands that viewing a propensity to desire women who look different to you as a “fever” or something to talk about, is racist in origin.
            If your expectation is that a person must naturally be attracted to people that look like them, first and foremost, you may think it is worth discussing or labeling something which defies such a situation.

          • mr.wiener

            I think you obsess over this far too much.

          • Insomnicide

            I thought this was common knowledge?

          • mr.wiener

            How about just loving the one you are with?
            Or to paraphrase Deng xiao ping “It doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white , just so long as it catches mice”….I think he was trying to say all pussy is good pussy :)

          • Insomnicide

            Deng Xiaoping also liked to pay special attention to certain regions of China during his service….if you catch my drift.

          • wnsk

            Technically, it’s racist, yes.

            …but it also seems to me that the racism in such an instance stems from a form of xenophobia, and it would be more accurate fair to put them on the side of xenophobia, than to call them an out and out racist (since this term is much more strong and emotionally charged, and one I personally normally reserve only for the most objectionable of bigots — I’m sure we’ve all seen cases where people were too quick to label others racists [which is why I felt it important previously to point out to Probotector that I did not call him a racist, just prejudiced].)

            But that’s just my opinion (not yet fixed.) I acknowledge your perspective.

          • Insomnicide

            Wnsk, since you are impartial to both views (I hope so), wouldn’t you say Matt’s view is also racist then? The idea that races as they are not okay and that individual races living in their homogeneous society is disgusting. That’s being prejudiced against individuals races in favour of mixed races. That’s not accepting diversity of the human race but rather discriminating against it. What’s wrong with Asians as they are? Why do they need to be mixed with other races to be less inferior? That is downright colonialist and Nazi-like ubermensch thinking.

          • Zappa Frank

            do you realize that no one here said Asians HAVE TO get mixed, but you are the only one that said Asians MUST NOT get mixed? can you see the difference?
            than you tried to justify it saying Han are endangered.. (!!)

          • Insomnicide
          • Zappa Frank

            seems you did not understand what he said. Where did he said that Asians MUST get mixed? No where
            he just said that to be mixed may the end of the humanity, not that someone HAVE to. I think you do really need to study ore and seriously anthropology, to begin with what is a population..
            Do you think Asians have always existed the way they are now? So tell me than, what makes you think that they will remain unchanged for ever?

          • wnsk

            Sorry man, I’m not prepared to make conclusions. I don’t see myself as having all the answers, currently.

            With regards to Matt, I note that he has explicitly rejected that he holds the idea that “races as they are, (are) not okay and that individual races living in their homogeneous society (are) disgusting.” I prefer to let him speak in defence of himself, and whether you find that convincing or not…should be independent of what I think.

            My opinion is not important to anybody but myself. :]

          • Dr Sun

            I afraid to to say that being against “interracial relations to preserve respect and the gene pool” in fact does make you a racist.
            Btw women are not breeding stock or property, they are free to choose whoever and of whichever ethniticity they want, it is not your choice, its theirs.

          • Insomnicide

            Being against the preservation and the original state of a race makes you a racist.

            And women of course are not breeding stock or property. That’s why they should be prevented from being used and abused by Asian fetishists to fulfil their sick racist colonialist sexual fantasies.

          • I have news for you:

            1. At over a billion strong, the East Asian racial group is in no danger of dying out. Maybe if you were Melanesian or Pygmy, your insecurity would be justified. But when your racial group gets to claim the most populous nation on earth, your insecurity is nothing short of laughably absurd.

            2. Hate to break it to you, but there is no “original state of race”. Perhaps you’re not familiar with basic evolutionary anthropology, but we’ve all been in a continual state of natural change for as long as life has existed on this planet. We all originated from Africa, no matter how much that fact pains you.

            3. The only one with sick racist fetishistic sexual fantasies is you. Normal people see relationships as a matter of falling in love and sharing life with each other. You see it as a matter of procreating for the glorious perpetuation of one’s own race. Now that is sick.

          • Insomnicide

            1. There’s not one billion East Asian men and women. There’s about seven hundred million men, and the rest are women. That is drastic gender imbalance. And with many women dating non-Asians, do you think it’ll stay a billion in the future? Especially with these negative birth/death rates?

            2. There is original state of current races. Asians are asians, whites are whites, blacks are blacks. If you want to use the we all came from Africa argument, then we all came from bananas and fish as well. Wouldn’t eating meat and fruit be cannibalism?

            3. You’re calling me sick and racial fetishists while denying the existence of ‘yellow fever’ fetishists? Are you really this ignorant or prejudiced? You can even Google this kind of stuff now a days. Jesus Christ.

          • 1. Yes, there are one billion East Asian men and women––more, in fact. This isn’t whatsoever debatable. Now, do you have any idea how much 1.3 billion people is? For God’s sakes, the East Asian racial group is the single-biggest on the entire planet. Your racial group will be the LAST to go extinct. According to a report by the National Population and Family Planning Commission of the People’s Republic of China, there will be 30 million more men than women in 2020. 30 million out of 1.3 billion means diddly squat. That still leaves approximately 700 million male-female couples, which, again, is by far the largest racial cohort on the planet.

            2. Asians are not a race. It takes a special degree of ignorance to think the West Asians, South Asians (of both Indo-Aryan and Dravidian stock), Southeast Asians, and East Asians are all the same race. White and black are colors, not meaningful anthropological terms. Humans of all races can procreate with each other to produce viable offspring. Perhaps you’re not aware, but humans cannot procreate with bananas or fish.

            3. When did I deny the existence of “yellow fever” fetishists? If you can cite where I did so, I will gladly forward $100 to you via PayPal. Quit putting words in people’s mouths and changing the argument.

          • whuddyasack

            Ethnic Han are the overwhelming plurality. For God’s sakes, the East Asian racial group is the single-biggest on
            the entire planet. Your racial group will be the LAST to go extinct.

            No, the overwhelming plurality and biggest racial group at over 3 billion and still going strong are Caucasians which includes Indians, Pakistanis, MENAs. They are also the FASTEST growing entity behind Africans while Mongoloids are the slowest. Have you heard of the fate of the passenger pigeon? Or that of the Native American? The truth is out of all races on Earth, we’re the MOST likely to go extinct.

            Current birth rates in China are no less than in Europe or white America, so that point is moot.

            Here’s a list of current birth rates in descending order:

            East Asians:
            Vietnam – 1.6
            China – 1.55 (and still dropping as of 2014)
            Japan – 1.39
            South Korea – 1.24
            Singapore/Hong Kong – 1.20
            Macao – 1.12
            Taiwan – 0.89 (Which is the LOWEST in the world)

            European/North American:
            New Zealand – 2.10
            France – 2.03
            UK – 1.98
            Sweden – 1.90
            US – 1.89
            Norway – 1.88
            Australia – 1.87
            Canada – 1.63

            And I’ve not included MENAs and Indians/Pakistanis which are even higher. You see unlike White people who can conveniently convert South and West Asians, MENAs into their race should the situation demand it, East Asians have NO ONE to turn to. Most Central Asians, Native Americans, Siberians and Inuit are so few in number that we are actually the most endangered people by far.

            So please don’t dismiss an Asian’s desire for self-preservation and awareness of their precarious situation as nonsense. These fears are actually very real and it’s a shame that I have to use the arguments of what I viewed as “extremists” to push a point.

          • It is not intellectually honest to lump Europeans, Indo-Aryans, and Semites all into the same group. Yes, they all descend from common ancestors from the Caucasus region, but by that metric, East Asians descend from common ancestors of Southeast Asians, so countries like the Philippines and Indonesia assure that the “Greater Eastern Asian racial group” is still thriving spectacularly.

            I doubt there is a single European alive who would think that the complete replacement of Europeans by Indo-Aryans and Arabs would not constitute racial genocide. Their shared ancestral heritage does not at all compare with the higher degree of homogeneity characterizing East Asians.

            (Incidentally, Dravidians do not belong in the same group as Europeans, Indo-Aryans, and Semites. It is probable that they share the same ancestors as those who traveled from Africa to Southeast Asia along the maritime Asian coast, and therefore are actually more ancestrally related to East Asians than to their northern Indo-Aryan countrymen.)

            Also, those figures you cited for “Caucasian” countries do not reflect the racial diversity of those countries. Birth rate in France is boosted by African immigrants (not just Arab but sub-Sahara African as well), and birth rate in the US is boosted by Hispanics (who incidentally are a combination of Caucasoid/European and Mongoloid/Asiatic ancestry).

            I’m sorry, but there is no “precarious situation” concerning East Asian racial preservation. East Asia does not absorb millions of non-Mongoloid immigrants. More importantly, the situation is not that of a constant demographic pie wherein different races must compete against each other to occupy a larger share of that pie. African and South Asian demographic growth do not have anything to do with the existence of East Asians. Such fears are as unfounded as those pushed by whom you rightly view as “extremists” for a very good reason––because they are also extreme.

          • whuddyasack

            It is not intellectually honest to lump Europeans, Indo-Aryans, and Semites all into the same group.

            Why not? According to census In the US, they all qualify as “White”. Also, read my reply to Frank. It’s quite informative.

            East Asians descend from common ancestors of Southeast Asians

            Sorry, but this isn’t accurate at all. You are correct that Caucasians all originated in the Caucasus region, and Western civilization itself was spurred by Greco-Roman civilization which shared extremely close ties to the Middle East/North Africa. As for East Asians, Koreans and Japanese did not originate from Southeast Asians but rather Altaic/Mongolic people. As for the Chinese, well let’s just say they did not come from “Filipinos”, “Indonesians” or “Malaysians”. If you were talking about Burmese, N.E Indians/Nepalis or Thais you might have had a point. But the more research done, the more it seems that Chinese origins are indigenous.

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/24/china.archaeology

            http://www.china.org.cn/e-gudai/1.htm

            Dravidians do not belong in the same group as Europeans, Indo-Aryans, and Semites… therefore are actually more ancestrally related to East Asians than to their northern Indo-Aryan countrymen.

            Errr… completely wrong. If you were talking about the marginalized people from Sikkim, Mizoram, Nagaland the Sikkim and Tripura I would agree.

            Furthermore, Indians and West Asians are close to North Europeans. West Asians plot closer to North Europeans than Mediterraneans. Now let’s take a look at genetic distances.

            http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/human-genetic-variation-first.html

            Indian to East Asian: 0.081
            Indian to North European: 0.065

            Also, those figures you cited for “Caucasian” countries do not reflect the racial diversity of those countries.

            Yet these people are called minorities for a reason. Just because 2% experiences an increase of 50% doesn’t mean that it has much impact on an 80% that has an increase of 20%. The White population in the US is close to 67% excluding Hispanics. Sweden, Norway, Finland, are these countries not majority White?

            there is no “precarious situation” concerning East Asian racial preservation

            Actually there is. A decrease in birthrate means a sharp decline in population which means that sooner or later, said nation might have to simply die out or take in immigrants from other countries. With the arrival of immigrants, many who are sexually far more aggressive, territorial and clannish than the Asians, it would definitely spell doom for East Asians. I’m not in favor of those said views, but even I have to admit that there is a shred of validity in it.

            Personally one of the reasons such fears are becoming a greater reality is that I realize no one seems to care if every East Asian was wiped out or turned into some sort of hybrid as they aggressively seek to propagate descendents wherever they can.

          • Why not? According to census In the US, they all qualify as “White”. Also, read my reply to Frank. It’s quite informative.

            The US census means diddly squat. It is not an authoritative source on anthropology. Besides, your statement regarding US census classification of those groups in outdated.

            The 2010 US Census framed it as such:

            9. What is the person’s race?
            • • White
            • • Black or African American
            • • American Indian or Alaska Native — Print name of enrolled or principal tribe.
            • • Asian Indian
            • • Chinese
            • • Filipino
            • • Other Asian — Print race, for example, Hmong, Laotian, Thai, Pakistani, Cambodian, and so on.
            • • Japanese
            • • Korean
            • • Vietnamese
            • • Native Hawaiian
            • • Guamanian or Chamorro
            • • Samoan
            • • Other Pacific Islander — Print race, for example, Fijian, Tongan, and so on.
            • • Some other race — Print race.

            It doesn’t take a anthropological expert to realize that these are just groupings of convenience. Moreover, it distinguishes Asian Indian from White and distinguishes between all the different East Asian nationalities.

            Sorry, but this isn’t accurate at all. […] Koreans and Japanese did not originate from Southeast Asians but rather Altaic/Mongolic people. As for the Chinese, well let’s just say they did not come from “Filipinos”, “Indonesians” or “Malaysians”. If you were talking about Burmese, N.E Indians/Nepalis or Thais you might have had a point. But the more research done, the more it seems that Chinese origins are indigenous.
            […]
            Errr… completely wrong. If you were talking about the marginalized people from Sikkim, Mizoram, Nagaland the Sikkim and Tripura I would agree.

            Au contraire:

            Asia harbors substantial cultural and linguistic diversity, but the geographic structure of genetic variation across the continent remains enigmatic. Here we report a large-scale survey of autosomal variation from a broad geographic sample of Asian human populations. Our results show that genetic ancestry is strongly correlated with linguistic affiliations as well as geography. Most populations show relatedness within ethnic/linguistic groups, despite prevalent gene flow among populations. More than 90% of East Asian (EA) haplotypes could be found in either Southeast Asian (SEA) or Central-South Asian (CSA) populations and show clinal structure with haplotype diversity decreasing from south to north. Furthermore, 50% of EA haplotypes were found in SEA only and 5% were found in CSA only, indicating that SEA was a major geographic source of EA populations.

            Science 11 December 2009:
            Vol. 326 no. 5959 pp. 1541-1545
            DOI: 10.1126/science.1177074

            Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia
            The HUGO Pan-Asian SNP Consortium

            Source: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/326/5959/1541.abstract

            Here is an even fuller explanation of the report:

            73 Southeast Asian and East Asian populations genetically mapped

            Several genome-wide studies of human genetic diversity have been conducted on European populations. Now, for the first time, these studies have been extended to 73 Southeast Asian (SEA) and East Asian (EA) populations.
            In a paper titled, “Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia,” published online Science on 10 Dec. 2009, over 90 scientists from the Human Genome Organisation’s (HUGO’s) Pan-Asian SNP Consortium report that their study conducted within and between the different populations in the Asia continent showed that genetic ancestry was highly correlated with ethnic and linguistic groups.

            The scientists also reported a clear increase in genetic diversity from northern to southern latitudes. Their findings also suggest that there was one major inflow of human migration into Asia arising from Southeast Asia, rather than multiple inflows from both southern and northern routes as previously proposed. This indicates that Southeast Asia was the major geographic source of East Asian and North Asian populations.

            (A figure illustrating the paper shows plausible routes of pre-historical migration of Asian human populations. According to the study, the PanAsia SNP Initiative, the most recent common ancestors of Asians arrived first in India and later, some of them migrated to Thailand, and South to the lands known today as Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. The first group of settlers must have gone very far south before they settled successfully. These included the Malay Negritos , Philippine Negritos , the East Indonesians, and early settlers of the Pacific Islands. Thereafter, one or several groups of people migrated North, mixed with previous settlers there and, finally, formed various populations we now refer to as Austronesian, Austro-Asiatic, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, and Altaic. The figure is titled, “Putative Pre-Historical Migration Routes of Asian Human Populations.”)

            The researchers noted that the geographical and linguistic basis of genetic subgroups in Asia clarifies the need for genetic stratification when conducting genetic and pharmacogenomic studies in this continent, and that human genetic mapping of Asia has important implications for the study of genetics and disease and for research to understand migratory patterns in human history.

            HUGO President Edison Liu, M.D., who is Executive Director of the Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS), said, “This study was a milestone not only in the science that emerged, but the consortium that was formed. Ten Asian countries came together in the spirit of solidarity to understand how we were related as a people, and we finished with a truly Asian scientific community. We overcame shortage of funds and diverse operational constraints through partnerships, good will, and cultural sensitivity.

            “Our next goal is to expand this collaboration to all of Asia including Central Asia and the Polynesian Islands,” said Dr. Liu, one of the corresponding authors of the paper. “We also aim to be more detailed in our genomic analysis and plan to include structural variations, as well as over a million single nucleotide polymorphisms in the next analysis.”

            While HUGO initiated and coordinated the research, Dr. Liu pointed out, “Affymetrix, led by Dr. Giulia C. Kennedy and based in the US, is our primary technology partner in this endeavour. We greatly appreciate their support.”

            Authors:
            Mahmood Ameen Abdulla,1 Ikhlak Ahmed,2 Anunchai Assawamakin,3,4 Jong Bhak,5 Samir K. Brahmachari,2 Gayvelline C. Calacal,6 Amit Chaurasia,2 Chien-Hsiun Chen,7 Jieming Chen,8 Yuan-Tsong Chen,7 Jiayou Chu,9 Eva Maria C. Cutiongco-de la Paz,10 Maria Corazon A. De Ungria,6 Frederick C. Delfin,6 Juli Edo,1 Suthat Fuchareon,3 Ho Ghang,5 Takashi Gojobori,11,12 Junsong Han,13 Sheng-Feng Ho,7 Boon Peng Hoh,14 Wei Huang,15 Hidetoshi Inoko,16 Pankaj Jha,2 Timothy A. Jinam,1 Li Jin,17*,38 Jongsun Jung,18 Daoroong Kangwanpong,19 Jatupol Kampuansai,19 Giulia C. Kennedy,20,21 Preeti Khurana,22 Hyung-Lae Kim,18 Kwangjoong Kim,18 Sangsoo Kim,23 Woo-Yeon Kim,5 Kuchan Kimm,24 Ryosuke Kimura,25 Tomohiro Koike,11 Supasak Kulawonganunchai,4 Vikrant Kumar,8 Poh San Lai,26,27 Jong-Young Lee,18 Sunghoon Lee,5 Edison T. Liu,8* Partha P. Majumder,28 Kiran Kumar Mandapati,22 Sangkot Marzuki,29 Wayne Mitchell,30,31 Mitali Mukerji,2 Kenji Naritomi,32 Chumpol Ngamphiw,4 Norio Niikawa,40 Nao Nishida,25 Bermseok Oh,18 Sangho Oh,5 Jun Ohashi,25 Akira Oka,16 Rick Ong,8 Carmencita D. Padilla,10 Prasit Palittapongarnpim,33 Henry B. Perdigon,6 Maude Elvira Phipps,1,34 Eileen Png,8 Yoshiyuki Sakaki,35 Jazelyn M. Salvador,6 Yuliana Sandraling,29 Vinod Scaria,2 Mark Seielstad,8* Mohd Ros Sidek,14 Amit Sinha,2 Metawee Srikummool,19 Herawati Sudoyo,29 Sumio Sugano,37 Helena Suryadi,29 Yoshiyuki Suzuki,11 Kristina A. Tabbada,6 Adrian Tan,8 Katsushi Tokunaga,25 Sissades Tongsima,4 Lilian P. Villamor,6 Eric Wang,20,21 Ying Wang,15 Haifeng Wang,15 Jer-Yuarn Wu,7 Huasheng Xiao,13 Shuhua Xu,38* JinOk Yang,5 Yin Yao Shugart,39 Hyang-Sook Yoo,5 Wentao Yuan,15 Guoping Zhao,15 Bin Alwi Zilfalil,14 Indian Genome Variation Consortium2

            Authors’ institutional affiliations:
            1. Department of Molecular Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, and the Department of Anthropology, Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences, University of Malaya, Kuala Lumpur, 50603, Malaysia.
            2. Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology, Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, Mall Road Delhi, 110007, India.
            3. Institute of Molecular Biosciences, Mahidol University, Salaya Campus, 25/25 M. 3, Puttamonthon 4 Road, Puttamonthon, Nakornpathom 73170, Thailand.
            4. Biostatistics and Informatics Laboratory, Genome Institute, National Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Thailand Science Park, Pathumtani 12120, Thailand.
            5. Korean BioInformation Center (KOBIC), Korea Research Institute of Bioscience and Biotechnology (KRIBB), 111 Gwahangno, Yuseong-gu, Deajeon 305-806, Korea.
            6. DNA Analysis Laboratory, Natural Sciences Research Institute, University of the Philippines, Diliman, Quezon City 1101, Philippines.
            7. Institute of Biomedical Sciences, Academia Sinica, 128 Sec 2 Academia Road Nangang, Taipei City 115, Taiwan.
            8. Genome Institute of Singapore, 60 Biopolis Street 02-01, Genome, 138672, Singapore.
            9. Institute of Medical Biology, Chinese Academy of Medical Science, Kunming, China.
            10. Institute of Human Genetics, National Institutes of Health, University of the Philippines Manila, 625 Pedro Gil Street, Ermita Manila 1000, Philippines.
            11. Center for Information Biology and DNA Data Bank of Japan, National Institute of Genetics, Research Organization of Information and Systems, 1111 Yata, Mishima, Shizuoka 411-8540, Japan.
            12. Biomedicinal Information Research Center, National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology, 2-42 Aomi, Koto-ku, Tokyo 135-0064, Japan.
            13. National Engineering Center for Biochip at Shanghai, 151, Li Bing Road,Shanghai 201203, China.
            14. Human Genome Center, School of Medical Sciences, Universiti Sains Malaysia 16150 Kubang Kerian, Kelantan, Malaysia.
            15. MOST-Shanghai Laboratory of Disease and Health Genomics, Chinese National Human Genome Center Shanghai, 250, Bi Bo Road, Shanghai 201203, China.
            16. Department of Molecular Life Science Division of Molecular Medical Science and Molecular Medicine, Tokai University School of Medicine, 143 Shimokasuya, Isehara-A Kanagawa-Pref A259-1193, Japan.
            17. State Key Laboratory of Genetic Engineering and MOE Key Laboratory of Contemporary Anthropology, School of Life Sciences, Fudan University, 220 Handan Road, Shanghai 200433, China.
            18. Korea National Institute of Health, 194, Tongil-Lo, Eunpyung-Gu,Seoul, 122-701, Korea.
            19. Department of Biology, Faculty of Science, Chiang Mai University, 239 Huay Kaew Road, Chiang Mai 50202, Thailand.
            20. Genomics Collaborations, Affymetrix, 3420 Central Expressway, Santa Clara, CA 95051, USA.
            21. Veracyte, 7000 Shoreline Court, Suite 250, South San Francisco, CA 94080, USA.
            22. The Centre for Genomic Applications (an IGIB-IMM Collaboration), 254 Ground floor, Phase III Okhla Industrial Estate, New Delhi 110020, India.
            23. Soongsil University, Sangdo-5-dong 1-1, Dongjak-gu, Seoul 156-743, Korea.
            24. Eulji University College of Medicine, 143-5 Yong-du-dong Jung-gu, Dae-jeon City 301-832, Korea.
            25. Department of Human Genetics, Graduate School of Medicine, University of Tokyo, 7-3-1 Hongo, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113-0033, Japan.
            26. Department of Paediatrics, Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine, National University of Singapore, National University Hospital, Lower Kent Ridge Road, 119074, Singapore.
            27. Population Genetics Lab, Defence Medical and Environmental Research Institute, DSO National Laboratories, 27 Medical Drive 117510, Singapore.
            28. Indian Statistical Institute (Kolkata) 203 Barrackpore Trunk Road, Kolkata 700108, India.
            29. Eijkman Institute for Molecular Biology, Jl. Diponegoro 69, Jakarta, 10430, Indonesia.
            30. Informatics Experimental Therapeutic Centre, 31 Biopolis Way, 03-01 Nanos, 138669 Singapore.
            31. Division of Information Sciences, School of Computer Engineering, Nanyang Technological University, 50 Nanyang Avenue, 639798, Singapore.
            32. Department of Medical Genetics, University of the Ryukyus Faculty of Medicine, Nishihara, 207 Uehara, Okinawa 903-0215, Japan.
            33. National Science and Technology Development Agency, 111 Thailand Science Park,Pathumtani 12120, Thailand.
            34. Monash University (Sunway Campus), Jalan Lagoon Selatan, 46150 Bandar Sunway, Selangor, Malaysia.
            35. RIKEN Genomic Sciences Center, W502, 1-7-22 Suehiro-cho, Tsurumi-ku, Yokohama 230-0045, Japan.
            36. Department of Biochemistry, University of Hong Kong, 3/F Laboratory Block, Faculty of Medicine Building, 21 Sasson Road, Pokfulam, Hong Kong.
            37. Laboratory of Functional Genomics, Department of Medical Genome Sciences Graduate School of Frontier Sciences, University of Tokyo (Shirokanedai Laboratory), 4-6-1 Shirokanedai,, Minato-ku, Tokyo 108-8639 Japan.
            38. Chinese Academy of Sciences and Max Planck Society (CAS-MPG) Partner Institute for Computational Biology, Shanghai Institutes for Biological Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Shanghai 200031, China.
            39. Genomic Research Branch, National Institute of Mental Health, NIH, 6001 Executive Blvd, Bethedsa, Maryland, 20892 USA
            40. Research Institute of Personalized Health Sciences, Health Sciences University of Hokkaido, Tobetsu 061-0293, Japan.

            Source: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-12/afst-gah120909.php

            Furthermore, Indians and West Asians are close to North Europeans.

            Closer, not close. “Close” is a subjective matter of judgement. Your figures only prove that Indians (did the study not even distinguish between Indo-Aryans and Dravidians?) are closer to North Europeans than they are to East Asians, which is something I already acknowledged and have never disputed.

            West Asians plot closer to North Europeans than Mediterraneans.

            Considering West Asians are so different from Northern Europeans, all this really proves is just how rare Northern Europeans are. Are you sure you’re not making the case for the preservation of Northern Europeans?

            Yet these people are called minorities for a reason. Just because 2% experiences an increase of 50% doesn’t mean that it has much impact on an 80% that has an increase of 20%

            I’m not sure what your numbers are supposed to represent. Non-whites comprise a hell of a lot more than 2% in most white-majority countries, and the last part of your comment seems to imply that whites are growing at a rate of approximately 20%, when in reality most white populations have already plateaued and are as stagnant as Japan.

            A decrease in birthrate means a sharp decline in population which means that sooner or later, said nation might have to simply die out or take in immigrants from other countries. With the arrival of immigrants, many who are sexually far more aggressive, territorial and clannish than the Asians, it would definitely spell doom for East Asians. I’m not in favor of those said views, but even I have to admit that there is a shred of validity in it.

            Those are literally the same exact arguments presented by white nationalists. And to their credit, such arguments are at least somewhat rooted in reality, since many white-majority countries are in fact taking in large numbers of immigrants. East Asian countries, however, are absolutely not. I’m not sure how you expect me to believe that you are “not in favor of those said views” and only with reluctance “admit that there is a shred of validity in it” when you are the one who brought it up in the first place and are using it to substantiate your position.

            Personally one of the reasons such fears are becoming a greater reality is that I realize no one seems to care if every East Asian was wiped out or turned into some sort of hybrid as they aggressively seek to propagate descendents wherever they can.

            What the f**k? Seriously, I can’t even respond to this.

            White people can push for racial identity and nationality, so can the Africans, the Arabs, the Jews, the Malays but never the East Asians.

            I realize you deleted this, but the fact that your mindset even allowed you to make this statement demonstrates a classic victim complex––the same exact one that typifies white nationalists who complain that whites are the only people who can’t push for racial identity and nationality. Seriously, you’re making the same exact arguments that white nationalists make to defend their absurd claims of genocide. I have debated many white nationalists and I know these arguments well. They do not hold for 1.1 billion whites, and they certainly do not hold for 1.5 billion East Asians.

          • whuddyasack

            Moreover, it distinguishes Asian Indian from White and distinguishes between all the different East Asian nationalities.

            But it also includes Semitics, North Africans, Middle Easterners and West Asians under the White category. As for “Asian Indians”, genetically and physically, they map with Europeans under the Caucasian race. Besides, most Asian Americans stick together and view each other as one entity the same way an Iranian, Arab or Syrian American would racially identify with the White
            majority, but not religiously.

            Closer, not close. “Close” is a subjective matter of judgement. Your figures only affirm that Indo-Aryans are closer to North Europeans than
            they are to East Asians, which is something I already acknowledged and have never disputed.

            But how close is close. My figures show that the genetic difference between West Asians, Meds, Red Seas, North Europeans and Indians are so small that they
            practically are the same race. Again, the distance of affinity NORTH EUROPEANS have from closest related to furthest are as follows:

            West Asian(Pakis, Arabs, Iraqis): 0.036
            Mediterranean (South Italians, Greeks): 0.057
            Indian: 0.065
            Red Sea: 0.068

            Considering West Asians are so different from Northern Europeans, all this really proves is just how rare Northern Europeans are. Are you sure you’re not making the case for the preservation of Northern
            Europeans?

            If they want to preserve their features then more power to them. Based on my figures West Asians aren’t very different to Northern Europeans, in fact they are closer to North Europeans than Mediterraneans like Greeks and Southern Italians based on those figures.

            I’m not sure what your numbers are supposed to represent. Non-whites comprise a hell of a lot more than 2% in most major white-majority countries, and the last part of your comment seems to imply that whites are growing at a rate of approximately 20%, when in reality most white populations have already plateaued and are as stagnant as Japan.

            They were supposed to be used as an analogy. What I mean is that just because minorities’ birth rates are above average doesn’t mean that they are the reason
            for higher birth rates in Occidental countries. No, Western countries have a higher birth rate than Mongoloid countries because the majority have a higher
            birth rate. White populations aren’t as stagnant as Japan’s. Japan’s population is decreasing, White populations are either decreasing, stable or increasing as is the case in Norway, with “increasing fertility” a factor.

            http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/03/18/norwegians-now-number-5-million/

            East Asian countries, however, are absolutely not. I’m not sure how you expect me to believe that you are “not in favor of those said views” and only with reluctance “admit that there is a shred of validity in it” when you are the one who brought them up in the first place and are using them to substantiate your position.

            No, it is justified because declining birth rates, ageing and overall population is a huge issue in ALL East Asian countries. 1.5 billion… I think not.

            http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/china-unprecedented-demographic-problem-takes-shape

            You are also incorrect about Asian countries NOT taking in immigrants. One country being the most favorable destination for immigrants at the moment is in Asia and on a per capita basis takes on more than EVERY Occidental country. And also highly relevant to the point of immigration is the fact that there is a global push for East Asian countries to take in more immigrants. It’s not just East Asia, Burma has it’s problems too.

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/02/burma-census-rohingya-muslims-un-agency

            The Rohingya are an outer group, originating from Bangladesh. The media often demonizes the Burmese, but are tight-lipped about the atrocities carried out by these same “wolf-criers”. They also remain silent about what’s being done towards the natives in places occupied by Bangladesh. Now, my question is why won’t those Muslim countries take in their Muslim brethren? Perhaps the Western countries can afford to take in a little more?

            On the point of refugees, well…

            http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jun/19/refugees-unhcr-statistics-data
            http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/05/world/asia/refugees-asylum-statistics/

            As usual, sore loserism and excuses reigns supreme as seen in the comments. The difference is Chinese/Asians aren’t pathetic enough to cry foul in large numbers and stereotype entire peoples as many of the commentators here. Asians aren’t whining and demonizing those refugees, Fitzgerald’s quote ringing some bells.

            And as an aside, “foreigners” in Asia are generally NOT the most desirable bunch, forming enclaves, rarely interacting with the locals, clannishly supporting their own in-groups even when they are in the wrong, stirring up dissent and fights, demanding rights they never earned, supporting political groups detrimental to the nation and exporting and committing crime and being all around whiners. What’s frightening is they are NOT even citizens of those particular nations yet. The major exception are Asian immigrants, I find those from Indo-China frankly amazing.

            I brought them up to show that an extreme view towards the other direction, i.e. race denial might actually justify extreme views from the other side. I think you need to take into account the fate of the passenger pigeon and the native Americans, once “numerous” but finally becoming extinct.

          • But it also includes Semitics, North Africans, Middle Easterners and West Asians under the White category.

            True, but again, there is no consistent scientific basis to the US Census’ classification. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US government lumps Arabs and Persians with Europeans as a way to socially absorb them and downplay the distinct identity politics implied by their Middle Eastern backgrounds.

            More importantly, something fundamental that I think you’ve not factored into your calculations is that not all “Semites” are purely Semitic. In another comment, you referenced an Arab-American celebrity who could pass for a Mediterranean-esque white. But, as I’m sure you’re aware, the Arab world has had significant contact with first the Greek and then the Roman Empires, and there has undoubtedly been significant genetic flow between Europe and the Arab world over these several millennia of direct contact. Rima Fakih may very well have Mediterranean European ancestry in her distant past; especially given the fact that she is from Lebanon, which has always been part of the Greek and Roman Empires’ backyard.

            As for “Asian Indians”, genetically and physically, they map with Europeans under the Caucasian race.

            “Asian Indians” are not even an ancestrally cohesive group. Dravidians first populated India from the south and expanded northward, where they were dominant, until, much later, Indo-Aryans originating from the Caucasus region started pushing their way into India from the northwest and eventually supplanted the Dravidian tongues in the north.

            Practically all Indians acknowledge that the northern Indo-Aryans and southern Dravidians are physically different, and modern research indicates that this is despite convergence rather than because of divergence.

            Besides, most Asian Americans stick together and view each other as one entity the same way an Iranian, Arab or Syrian American would racially identify with the White
majority, but not religiously.

            Erm, West Asians definitely do not consider themselves to be the same race as whites. Again, there are some pale-skinned West Asians with brownish hair, due almost certainly from interracial breeding in the distant past, but there are also dark-skinned, black-haired West Asians who absolutely do not look white whatsoever.

            West Asian: 0.036
            Mediterranean: 0.057
            Indian: 0.065
            Red Sea: 0.068
            East Asians: 0.122
            SEA: 0.125
            Siberian/Central Asian: 0.126
            NE Siberian: 0.146
            Amerindian: 0.167

            Using such a data set to support your argument in meaningless without presenting a comparable data set regarding East Asians. After all, even if one uses this data set to conclude that Europeans are part of the same racial group as Semites and Indo-Aryans, this very same scientific methodology may very well reveal that East Asians are part of the same racial group as Southeast Asians (incidentally, they both differ from Northern Europeans by almost the same amount––0.122 vs 0.125). If that is the case (and “Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia” suggests that it is), then your whole point in aggregating the Caucasoid race is moot because Southeast Asia is 618 million strong, and at this point, you have a whopping third of the world’s population, which you have in fact acknowledged before. Two billion people do not simply just disappear!

            White populations are either decreasing, stable or increasing as is the case in Norway, with “increasing fertility” a factor.

            I took a look at that article about Norway. Nowhere in the article did it claim that the increasing fertility is due to ethnic Norwegians. What it did say is this:

            Immigration has increased sharply since 2000, according to SSB, with immigrants making up 12.2 percent of the population on January 1 last year, or around 600,000 persons from 215 different countries.

            Imagine if 12.2% of people in China were immigrants––that would be a whopping 160 million immigrants!!! Even Japan with a 12.2% immigrant rate would have a whopping 15.5 million immigrants, compared to the 2,134,151 it had in 2010.

            Hell, even the article you cited acknowledges that Norway’s fertility rate is still below replacement level:

            The population growth to 5 million reflects a fertility rate that currently is among the highest in Europe, with every woman in giving birth on average to 1.95 children. That’s up from 1.66 in the mid-1980s.

            The fact that one of the highest fertility rates in Europe is not even at replacement level contradicts your claim that the white population in Norway––let alone the rest of Europe––is increasing. I’m sorry, but whites and East Asians are in the same boat when it comes to birth rates; the only difference is that white countries take in significantly more immigrants.

            No, it is justified because declining birth rates, ageing and overall population is a huge issue in ALL East Asian countries. 1.5 billion… I think not.

            Well, there are 1.5 billion East Asians––that’s just a fact. 1.3 billion Chinese plus 80 million Koreans plus 130 million Japanese equals 1.5 billion East Asians. This doesn’t even include Vietnamese.

            You are also incorrect about Asian countries NOT taking in immigrants. One country being the most favorable destination for immigrants at the moment is in Asia and on a per capita basis takes on more than EVERY Occidental country.

            And what country is that? I’m not sure why you would hype this country up as the backbone of your argument without even giving me its name so that I can fact-check your claims about it.

            And also highly relevant to the point of immigration is the fact that there is a global push for East Asian countries to take in more immigrants.

            There is no global push for East Asian countries to take in more immigrants. Even if there were such a “push”, it would just be a “push”, whereas Western countries actually are taking in more immigrants.

            It’s not just East Asia, Burma has it’s problems too. The Rohingya are an outer group, originating from Bangladesh.

            It is absolutely incorrect to equate the Rohingya with standard-fare immigrants. The Rohingya have been living in that general region for centuries, if not millennia. Myanmar is a new state whose borders encompass many different indigenous groups of people. The only thing that distinguishes the Rohingya from other indigenous groups in Myanmar (many of whom are fighting for autonomy, like the Karen), is that they speak an Indo-European language and are indeed Muslim. But that doesn’t mean they should be kicked out, especially when they only constitute a paltry 1.3% of Myanmar’s population.

            The media often demonizes the Burmese

            No, it definitely doesn’t. The media has perhaps demonized the junta (not without good reason), but it has been extremely soft on the new government post Aung San Suu Kyi’s release, reporting on the Rohingya situation only because documenting perceived human rights violations is morally the right thing to do.

            Now, my question is why won’t those Muslim countries take in their Muslim brethren?

            What does that have to do with what we’re talking about? One may as well ask why China won’t take in North Korean refugees, choosing instead to deport refugees discovered to meet an almost certain death in North Korea.

            Perhaps the Western countries can afford to take in a little more?

            I think you’re well aware that Western countries take in FAR more Muslims than East Asia. Hell, there are 6.3 million Muslims in France alone! According to the Pew Forum, the total number of Muslims in Europe, excluding Turkey, was about 44 million in 2010. The total number of Muslims in the European Union in 2010 was about 19 million. And you’re seriously arguing that the Burmese have a greater burden? Of course, many Muslims in European are more or less indigenous to the region, but then again, so are the Rohingyas.

            The difference is Chinese/Asians aren’t pathetic enough to cry foul in large numbers and stereotype entire peoples as many of the commentators here. Asians aren’t whining and demonizing those refugees

            I think we’re all aware that xenophobia and stereotyping foreigners are things that all humans of all racial and ethnic backgrounds are capable of. There are numerous articles on chinaSMACK, japanCRUSH, and koreaBANG that feature highly-upvoted comments that whine about and demonize foreigners.

            And as an aside, “foreigners” in Asia are generally NOT the most desirable bunch, forming enclaves, rarely interacting with the locals, clannishly supporting their own in-groups even when they are in the wrong, stirring up dissent and fights, demanding rights they never earned, supporting political groups detrimental to the nation and exporting and committing crime and being all around whiners. What’s frightening is they are NOT even citizens of those particular nations yet.

            White nationalists say the same damn thing about immigrants in Europe. Do you not realize that I could take half the things you say, switch a few words, and I’d automatically replicate the talking points used by white nationalists?

            I think you need to take into account the fate of the passenger pigeon and the native Americans, once “numerous” but finally becoming extinct.

            Your analogy to the passenger pigeon is so absurd that I cannot possibly comment on it. As for the Amerindians, they were a profoundly heterogeneous assortment of warring tribes from diverse civilizations limited by primitive weaponry that numbered no more than the modern-day population of Korea. Such a situation is in no way comparable to the modern-day homogenized nation-states of East Asia that are overflowing with world-class advanced technology and are safeguarded by world-class military forces that ensure their national sovereignty. To compare such technologically advanced, culturally cohesive nation-state powerhouses with the disparate primitive tribes of the Americas is almost as absurd as your carrier pigeon analogy.

          • whuddyasack

            True, but again, there is no consistent scientific basis to the US
            Census’ classification. I wouldn’t be surprised if the US government
            lumps Arabs and Persians with Europeans as a way to socially absorb them
            and downplay the distinct identity politics implied by their Middle
            Eastern backgrounds.

            That’s true, and I think that is perhaps the reason why there are so many different kinds of options available for the different Asians, Filipinos, Viets, Hmong, Indonesians, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc. when broader categories such as SEA, EA and SA would suffice. The reason is political, two reasons being the tensions in Asia and to accurately gauge information between the different ethnicities.

            The important thing to note is that Arabs, Persians, and other MENAs can be absorbed. I like your commentary on gene sharing in the Middle Eastern/European world. That’s a point I’ve also been making. Historically, African and Caucasians congregated and originated around the same place, somewhere in the Middle East and North Africa. I’d agree with your points on India, there is a high level of casteism there and North and South Indians consider each other a separate race. However, this does not dispute the fact that they are Caucasian according to the classic principles of biological anthropology set out by Coon and recognized by many. The reason why they aren’t considered white is more to do with ancestry and a case of picking and choosing IMO. Proclaiming Indians as white would mean having to share privileges at a far greater rate and the notion that Caucasians aren’t as “rare” as they like to admit. Most of the strongest proponents distancing Indians from themselves are also the strongest advocates of associating Siberians, Native Americans and “Ainu/Jomon” as part of their stock. The figures from my chart show that this actually isn’t the case. As for the quote on West Asians not considering themselves White, many do pose as White to get the same benefits and there are those who genuinely consider themselves White. I’ve known some Syrians and Iranians who consider themselves White and I think they are absolutely correct because no one would be able to tell that they were “West Asian”.

            Nowhere in the article did it claim that the increasing fertility is due to ethnic Norwegians… taking in more immigrants

            It didn’t, but logically an overall increase in birthrate can’t solely be narrowed down to “immigrants”, improve fertility rates of the majority is the more important factor. I’ll give you an example, in Singapore, the Chinese majority have one of the lowest birthrates in the world while the Malays and Indians have a much higher birthrate. However, even then the total birthrate of Singapore is still 1.20 births per woman. Malays/Indians form a much bigger percentage in Singapore’s population than the Muslims and Blacks in Europe. Compared to East Asian birthrates, European birthrates are generally higher by upwards of 50%. Which brings us to this point:

            And what country is that?

            That nation is Singapore. My apologies, I didn’t name it because I thought you already knew which one it was.

            http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/singapore-asias-top-immigration-destination-337345.htm
            http://new.pitchengine.com/pitches/97668c95-f2ff-41c7-8fd0-267d63fe5d31

            “One of the most modern and cosmopolitan of all cities in Asia, Singapore is one of the top destinations for workers and immigrants.”

            There is no global push for East Asian countries to take in more immigrants.

            Think again:
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidyin/2013/06/06/singapore-needs-immigrants-says-jim-rogers/
            http://migration.ucdavis.edu/rs/more.php?id=39_0_3_0
            http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/japans-demographic-crisis-any-way-out/
            http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/afcdefd4-1c1c-11e3-b678-00144feab7de.html#axzz2zQag4zPh

            The only thing that distinguishes the Rohingya from other indigenous groups in Myanmar (many of whom are fighting for autonomy, like the Karen), is that they speak an Indo-European language and are indeed

            There’s more than just “language” and “religion” separating the two. Rohingyas are a completely different race whose ancestry traces back to Bangladesh. Bangladesh commits atrocities against the Mongoloid natives in it’s own “occupied” territories BTW and there is no media outrage over this. So why don’t the Bangladeshis take the Rohingyas back? One thing I have to say, the world in general is quite blind about the strong correlation between Muslims and disharmony. These people have a mindset of conquest and if Myanmar does take in the Rohingyas, sooner or later Arakan state will turn into another Xinjiang, Patani or East Timor but unlike them, Rohingyas aren’t native and don’t deserve to be. As for groups like the Karen fighting for autonomy, I have no issues with that and support them. They are where they belong after all. Rohingyas should go back to Bangladesh (or better yet India) and stop killing the natives of Khagrachari, Rangamati and Bandarban while they are at it. Historically, you can see that Rohingyas have often been in conflict with the Burmese and have committed countless unprovoked atrocities on the Arakanese.

            No, it definitely doesn’t

            I agree that the junta deserves criticism but come on, why smear “Buddhists”? There should be more impartiality, such as the fact that the riots started when a Buddhist girl was raped and murdered by Muslims.
            http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/guest_bloggers/6549/killer_buddhists/

            reporting on the Rohingya situation only because documenting perceived human rights violations is morally the right thing to do.

            It is. But why show favor to the Rohingyas? There are two sides to every story. The reason why Rohingyas can’t be citizens is because no citizen would backstab and slaughter innocent civilians. They are more akin to invaders than citizens and the people trying the hardest to portray them as victims are Muslims themselves. Don’t be fooled.

            And you’re seriously arguing that the Burmese have a greater burden?

            They do. Keep this in mind. No Western country is forced to take in Muslim communities that seek to kill them or are involved in establishing territories for themselves. The Muslims in the West causing terror are a few extremists and not an entire community. If Americans were faced with the same situation, I guarantee you the savages amongst them would push for genocide, and few would oppose them.

            Of course, many Muslims in European are more or less indigenous to the region, but then again, so are the Rohingyas.

            And that’s the difference. Muslims in Europe aren’t also blatantly challenging European Governments and forming militant groups (see Philippines). And yet conservative majority from sometimes completely unrelated countries bitch and moan like no tomorrow. They are fortunate. And yes, I think China’s repatriation of North Koreans and Kachin refugees is disgraceful and an appalling violation of human rights.

            I think we’re all aware that xenophobia and stereotyping foreigners are things that all humans of all racial and ethnic backgrounds are capable of

            Agreed. Key difference is Asian people don’t sit around writing blogs and forums demonizing these “refugees”, many who have suffered immensely. Most don’t have the time for that nonsense and are far more willing to help the refugees that actually do land on their shores. White people love to boast about this great EQ, but if you can’t sympathize another’s sufferings, then it’s just hot air. I think in this respect they are “inferior” to Asians, and even lower than Blacks (and I don’t even believe in inferiority and superiority).

            Do you not realize that I could take half the things you say, switch a few words, and I’d automatically replicate the talking points used by white nationalists?

            Ok, I admit, maybe I do. But how would you feel if some expat in America did nothing but talk crap about your country and its people, with NOTHING to offer yet continue to leech and whine? Inspite of my gripes with “White Canadians”, I’d be annoyed too if some immigrant to Canada does nothing but complain and commit crime. Unlike Asians in the West, most Westerners don’t even speak the language or grew up with the same culture yet pretend to know the nation inside out. If you compare foreigners from both ethnic groups, Asian expats/immigrants are generally by FAR the more desirable. Which is why you don’t see the same blatant complaints amongst Vietnamese, Japanese and Korean expats in China, and vice versa.

            Your analogy to the passenger pigeon is so absurd that I cannot possibly comment on it.

            Point conceded, although I will have to tell you. Nothing is sure in this world. This is just a personal question and one you don’t have to answer if you don’t feel like it. But I’ve been wondering, what is your heritage? I apologize in advance for my rudeness but you don’t really look “White/White” but more Central Asian/Kazakh or partly native American.

          • whuddyasack

            Au contraire

            I made a separate post for this because this one was particularly well-argued and unlike most, you actually can substantiate your claim. However, it is only theoretical and only one study. I’m the first person to admit that East Asians and Southeast Asians share genetic closeness, what I find baffling is the fact that East Asians originated from the “Southeast Asian archipelago”. Which is why I never contended with the fact that East Asians might’ve originated from Northeast India, Thailand, Cambodia or Burma (mainland Southeast Asia).

            Either way, upon further reading of “Mapping Human Genetic Diversity in Asia” we find this:

            If the study is accurate, the Han Chinese – the single-largest ethnic group in Asia and in the world – have ancestral linkages to SOUTHERN CHINA, NORTHERN THAILAND and earlier in INDIA

            Here’s another article:
            http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200011/22/eng20001122_55867.html

            As you can see, the research took into account the same regions I imagined earlier. Note inspite of common heritage, I think Tibetans and Han Chinese are separate entities and very different genetically.

            That’s why cultural and historical flow has been from China to the Philippines and Indonesia, not the other way round. It is said that Filipinos originated from Austronesian Aboriginals in Taiwan. If I were to take an educated guess, I’d say modern-day “Han Chinese” originated from either South China, i.e. Yunnan, Guangxi, Qinhai all highly probable sources. A fascinating start would be looking at what encompasses “Sino-Tibetan” speaking peoples. The second point of origin is perhaps from the Northern Nomadic tribes that interacted with and conquered China.

            Note that Japanese and Koreans have a separate Northern Uralic-Altaic origin, specifically Siberian with the point of origin being thought of as Lake Baikal. The Jomon have a North-eastern origin.

            http://public.wsu.edu/~bmkemp/publications/pubs/Kim%20et%20al%202010.pdf

            Genetic, archeological and linguistic (Altaic language) evidences support the hypothesis that the proto‐Koreans originated through the northern Asian route from Mongolians who inhabited most likely in the Altai Mountain and Lake Baikal area of south‐
            central Siberia (Saha and Tay, 1992; Han, 1995; Ruhlen, 1991).

            And when you actually complement genetic analysis with archaeological, architectural, cultural, historical and linguistic evidence you get the same result for example, falconry was never practiced in SEAsia.

            More importantly, physical characteristics and adaptations define who we are. East Asians appear to have come about from ice-age conditions. Naturally they have lighter skin, even those born in warm countries like the Singaporean babies below. Many also come with epicanthic folds which many people lack, not just SEAsians. If you look at all the people living in the harshest, coldest regions in the world, they conform to a certain look. One that doesn’t exist amongst Archipelago SEAs.

            Furthermore, dental patterns between East and Southeast Asians are different as Christy Turner points out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinodonty_and_Sundadonty#cite_note-2

            This can be seen from the map below.

            Based on this observation, I think Chinese for e.g. look more like Sherpas and Kachin people than entire populations of Filipinos and Malays. Rural lifestyles, dating back thousands of years also far more closely resemble each other than what I gather from the Southeast. I think such cultural practices and lifestyles is a good indication of origin, don’t you? Note an overlapping of ethnic minorities between China and Indo-China. I think that alone shows that East Asians did not originate too far South of Asia.

          • mr.wiener

            @disqus_sZe140t687:disqus and @whuddyasack:disqus.
            Phew!! very informative the pair of you, thanks for the read.

          • whuddyasack

            Thanks Wiener, glad you enjoyed it.

          • Zappa Frank

            again you fail in understanding that women act for their own will and do not need you baby sitting them..

          • Dr Sun

            “the original state of a race” wow! you clearly know absolutely nothing about the evolution of man,migration, genetics or genotypes do you . There are for example at least 6 to 10 different genotypes identified within the indigenous population of China, can you identify the pure, the original chinese one ?
            Theres probably a Nobel prize in genetics in it for ya !

          • mr.wiener

            Oh dear…that is really sad.
            You can talk with an asian person all day and think you have found common ground…Then you run into this brick wall called culture. Anyway….

            “Universe man, universe man
            Size of the entire universe man
            Usually kind to smaller man
            Universe man

            Hes got a watch with a minute hand,
            Millenium hand and an eon hand
            When they meet it’s a happy land
            Powerful man, universe man”

            Lyrics: They might be giants.

            Ponder this on the tree of woe.

          • Probotector

            “Being against interracial relations does not make you a racist.”

            Yes it does, especially when you put it like

            “Some people would rather die virgins with their dignity intact than bend over for another race”

            Judging from the amount of blacklash you’ve received, you’ve not got the prevailing opinion.

          • Insomnicide

            So wanting to be equal with other races is racist, but assuming a master and servant relations with another race is not?

          • Probotector

            I never mentioned master and servant relationships. Yes, we should all be equal. That’s not what I said at all, and that’s not what you were saying when you said “Being against interracial relations does not make you a racist.” What are you even talking about now?

          • Insomnicide

            If we should all be equal in your views too, then what’s wrong with what I said? What’s wrong with refusing to be subservient towards another race?

          • Probotector

            No one’s talking about equality or subservience. You said “Being against interracial relations does not make you a racist.” That statement is simply wrong.

          • Insomnicide

            The quote you quoted “Some people would rather die virgins with their dignity intact than bend over for another race” is about equality of races.

            Being against interracial relations does not make you a racist, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. What’s wrong with the races as they are? Why do they have to be mixed?

          • What’s wrong with couples as they are? Why do they have to be mono-race?

            You keep on repeating this facetious straw man argument about us demanding that people “have” to be mixed. You know damn well that no one is saying that. We’re saying people have the right to choose for themselves who they wish to be with, and the racial aspects of those relationships are none of your damn business.

          • xiaode

            don´t feed the troll!
            what this idiot is posting here is really not worth to be answered… !

          • Probotector

            They don’t all have to be mixed. I agree that all existing races have a right to exist. However, you are against ANY mixing of races AT ALL. That’s the point of your statement being racist. Why can’t mixed and non-mixed live in peace without seeing each other as a threat?

          • Probotector

            You really do typify the hypocrisy of an Asian nationalist don’t you? On the one hand you bellyache on and on about how white people always put you down and how racist we are, and yet on the other hand you’re spewing the most racist diatribe yourself.

            Then there’s this:

            Insomnicide • a day ago
            “My faith in humanity has already been destroyed by how many self-righteous, hypocritical, bigoted and Sinophobic arseholes there are in this world.”

            Is the kettle not black enough yet? You say you’ve lost faith in humanity because you’re feeling hard-done-by, yet you’re not giving humanity a chance if you believe “Some people would rather die virgins with their dignity intact than bend over for another race.”

            Recently, you said, I am more insulting than whuddyasack (or whatever his name is), yet have I ever posted a comment as racially offensive as his, or yours for that matter? It seems your definition of ‘insult’ only applies to your own subjective feelings about people’s criticisms of China, yet you see no wrong in espousing the most despicable rhetoric against everyone else.

          • Insomnicide

            I’ve never said anything about “racist” ‘white’ people are and how they put down Asians. Stop pulling things out of your arse. I’m not the one who’s against the diversity of other races and forcing people to reject their own race and mix with others. That is racism.

            As for Sinophobia, it’s not confined to a race. Anyone can be Sinophobic, even other Asians.

            There are more important things in this world than losing your virginity. If you judge people purely on weather they’ve lost their virginity, then you are very shallow and vain.

            You’ve said more insulting remarks than whuddyasack in the last few articles, not all racially offensive but insulting none the less. I do not disagree that whuddyasack did cross the line in the article you mentioned, however that is one instance.

            I haven’t insulted any race or country thorough out this entire article. Please point out where I have insulted all Indians or all ‘white’ people. Where have I discouraged any criticism against China? I only speak out against ignorant and contextually inappropriate criticisms which are unjust and intentionally derogatory. On the other hand I’ve had no qualms about insightful and well-researched criticisms against China.

            None the less, this is all besides the argument. You’re just attacking me personally now rather than addressing the point. That is just ad hominem.

          • I’m not the one who’s against the diversity of other races and forcing
            people to reject their own race and mix with others. That is racism

            Who is forcing people to enter interracial relationships? Is there some mandatory race-mixing program I’m not aware of?

            Quit twisting the truth––YOU are the one condemning people for making their own choices about who they wish to be with. Folks like Probotector and I believe in individual freedom, whereas you believe in subordinating individual rights to the supreme interest of racial perpetuation.

            If you judge people purely on their race, then you are very shallow and vain.

          • Probotector

            “‘I’m not the one who’s against the diversity of other races and forcing people to reject their own race and mix with others” No, but you are against the mixing of races and you are forcing people to accept that interracial relations/marriage/procreation is wrong. Surely that is racist.

            I never said losing one’s virginity is important. I quoted your comment because you claim it’s undignified to mix the races. Again, a racist statement.

            “I haven’t insulted any race or country thorough out this entire article.” Not specifically no, but you do insult every race on Earth, including your own, by saying mixed relations are wrong.

            How is debating you and calling out your bullshit a personal attack? Calling me a dick, now that’s a personal attack, and one that adds no weight to your argument, yet to you I’m still the on whose more offensive.

            How is saying “to be fair, the majority of Chinese are truly ignorant” more offensive that “typical Caucasian” or “French Canadian queers”?

          • Insomnicide

            Because you are attacking other comments I’ve said, even ones not related to this article rather than addressing point itself. And calling my comments “bullshit” isn’t insulting but saying someone’s being a dick is, that’s a lot of doublethink there.

            Saying mixing races is undignified is racist but implying naturally ethnically homogeneous societies are wrong is not?

            How do I insult ever race on this earth by saying they are fine as they are? It’s more insulting to encourage mixing, by that you are implying there’s something wrong with every race originally.

          • Dr Sun

            OMG !!!

            Please post the links to the research you are drawing this from

          • Chris Bullock

            personally when i went to China, if i felt like meeting women, i did not chase the Chinese girls, rather i talked with other international students.
            i always see the white nerd chasing Asian booty.. usually the Chinese girl thinks he is weird. but, if he has money, then he is very handsome! :)
            the Chinese women call me fat (i am 142 pounds), lazy, old (35 years old), and say my Chinese is terrible (i scored 295 of 300 on HSK 3 test) so i cannot imagine living with a Chinese woman for the rest of my life.
            however, in America (Denver), Indians are very friendly, intelligent, and entertaining. the women are beautiful, though Sri Lankan and Nepalese women are more outgoing and willing to talk to a Westerner. so, i have no prejudice against Indians. in Mainland China, you also see people pooping on the streets, and men mistreating women.

          • hiidan

            Anyone with a basic knowledge of China and Chinese people, will know what you say is a lie.
            Chinese people will always worship foreigners’ Chinese, and don’t even say if it’s as good as yours. My Chinese is more or less at the same level, and 100% of the Chinese I’ve talked with, asked me how can my Chinese be so good.

          • Chris Bullock

            i work at the Confucius Institute as a workstudy, and I have experience with Chinese every day.

          • Chris Bullock

            i went to university in China for one semester, and have been a work study in the Confucius Institute for almost a year. Chinese regularly tell me my Chinese is poor. they are nice to you because they do not know you well enough to be critical.

          • Chris Bullock

            i have worked in a Chinese language office, with Chinese teachers and Chinese students acting as tutors, for almost two semesters. i have a basic knowledge of China and Chinese people. But.. since what I said has not happened to you, it cannot possibly be true.

          • hiidan

            The problem is it hasn’t happened to anyone. In fact, It’s a common joke in the China expat community of how Chinese will praise your your Chinese even if it is at the level of a 2 year old kid.
            So,there are only two options:
            1. You are lying.
            2. You are a bad person and they say your Chinese is bad when discussing with you just to hurt you.

          • Chris Bullock

            I don’t have enough energy to create such a small-time lie. Actually they are just grumpy teacher girls on government scholarship, upset because American food is making them fat, there are too many black people here, and they cannot find a tall white boyfried to adopt them and give them citizenship. Also, it is true, I am a bad person, because I don’t have enough money to buy Coach purses, and I do not like Chinese food.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you’ve never lived in a multicultural society have you?

          • Insomnicide

            Don’t tell me you really believe the CCP propaganda of harmonious multicultural society?

            I have lived in a multicultural society, and it is far from utopia.

          • I live in a multicultural society, and it is about as close to utopia as a place on earth can get.

            Some facts about my multicultural city:

            Because Irvine is home to very good public schools, a large number of jobs requiring a skilled workforce, and residential housing, Irvine was chosen in 2008 by CNNMoney.com as the fourth best place to live in the United States. In 2012, it was ranked in sixth place. In September 2011, Businessweek listed Irvine as the 5th best city in the US. In June 2010, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported that Irvine had the lowest violent crime rate among cities in the United States with populations of more than 100,000, and in August 2008 the Census Bureau ranked Irvine as having the seventh highest median income among cities in the United States with populations of more than 65,000. In 2014, Irvine was named the best run city in America by 24/7 Wall Street.

            It’s hard to imagine a society functioning better it does here. It’s safe, clean, and well-run. Living standards are high, and the economy has been booming throughout the so-called global recession. People here are aware that we live in a little paradise. Most of the rest of the world could only wish it were as prosperous, stable, and peaceful as Irvine.

          • IsurvivedChina

            Utopia is a daydream for wannabe hippies. I think it is naive to believe that interracial marriage is bad thing. The world has changed. We are living in a modern age! it’s only natural for people of different races to copulate – it’s been happening for years!

          • Surfeit

            AHAHAHA! They’re not yours to gift you numpty!

          • Gifting…. we are now on to arranged marriages again are we. What or why others do things is none of your business. Focus on your own life and goals. You’ll live longer and be happier too.

      • Germandude

        Yeah, I know. Some people are just so limited in capabilities, the only thing they can fall back to is racial pride…..

        Bend over for another race… what a retarded belief.

      • Surfeit

        Then you have nothing to lose! Reach for the soap, darlin!

      • Probotector

        Is this an opinion you hold?

      • Guang Xiang

        Losing ones virginity oft times changes people for the better

        • mr.wiener

          Unless you are in prison.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            :D

        • Insomnicide

          Isaac Newton, one of the most important figures in science, died a virgin.

          • Guang Xiang

            hench ‘oft times’, but if you’re not Isaac reborn, I say give it a shot and you’ll find yourself less indignant over a lot of issues.

          • wnsk

            You’re talking as if Insomnicide doesn’t know what it’s like to be a non-virgin. That may or may not be true, but…how rude of you! LOL.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            loser!

          • Surfeit

            Isaac Newton also tried to create a magic potion that would turn inanimate matter into gold.

          • Kai

            You’ve gotta be trolling now…

        • Surfeit

          This was meant for you!

          Isaac Newton also tried to create a magic potion that would turn inanimate matter into gold.

      • Germandude

        Initially I upvoted this comment because I thought you are talking about other morons thinking like this. Reading your above comment, I now come to understand that you actually really believe that. haha…

        • Insomnicide

          Just as you believe these people and I are morons for believing so, I think you are a moron for willing to throw away your culture, your heritage, your belonging and pride for some exotic poon.

          • Germandude

            And you think you give your culture, your heritage, your belonging and your pride to your offspring through your genes, rather than through how you live and teach your kids by being a role model.

            Now come again: Who is the moron?

          • Insomnicide

            As someone who knows several mixed people in real life, yes. They cling to the culture that they physically resemble. Half-white, half-Asian kids cling to ‘white’ culture, Half-white, half-black kids cling to the black culture, even if they’ve never met their black parent.

          • Germandude

            Impressive. You know several mixed people in real life. Wow, that grants you credibility. How many though? 2? 4? 10? 100?
            Now I know many mixed couples as well and I wouldn’t be so dumb to put cultural traits, heritage and pride as sth to be passed on through genes, but on education, the environment (country/ies) and how the parents raise their kids.

            Now I know a German couple that adopted a Chinese kid at the age of 4, raised it in Europe and all the genes did to the kid is: making it look Asian.
            That kid (29 years old now) is more German than I am, if you go for stereotypes. But yeah, I am not trying to convince you of anything. You convinced me already.

          • Insomnicide

            So you mock my anecdotal evidence, then retort using your own anecdotal evidence? That’s very hypocritical.

          • The point of him presenting his anecdotal evidence was to disprove the broad over-generalizations you drew from your own anecdotal evidence.

          • Germandude

            Well since you hung the barrier so low, it was pretty easy for me to jump over it and meet you on your side, now wasn’t it?

          • Mighty曹

            For some reason it is true that a white & black mix tend to identify him/herself as ‘black’ such as Mariah Carey, Halle Berry, NBA players, etc. I remember all the ‘half & half’ black & white kids at school only hung out with blacks. And the 1/2 Asians definitely think and act like they’re 100% white.

          • Zappa Frank

            are you real? they cling the culture they live in and the culture that accept them.. no need to say that many Asians cultures do not accept half-Asians as part of them, but rather consider them white.. Said so, I’ve noticed many Asians that living abroad cling the white culture as well and deeply..just this sunday I’ve see some abc girls in a shop and they looked more like wasp than Asians..

          • Mighty曹

            I must agree with your assessment. I see exactly as you described here in the States and I always wonder why that is so?

          • Zappa Frank

            culture is not something unchangeable… actually your culture, if you are Chinese mainlander or even more if you are an ABC has a lot more in common with western culture than with a traditional Chinese culture..
            However I doubt a few mixed marriage would be a challenge for any culture

          • Just as you believe Germandude and I are morons for being willing to do so, I think you are a moron for not realizing that your fellow humankind is also your culture, your heritage, your belonging and pride, regardless of some ethnically identical poon.

          • Insomnicide

            Taking pride in culture and heritage that you have no part in is the same as weeaboos and wiggers. Cringeworthy all the same.

          • You don’t get it. You are a homo sapien. Human culture is something unique to your species and shared by no other life form in the universe. Your biological heritage is inseparable from that of the rest of your species.

            Nationalism is just another form of regionalism. The logic you use to defend nationalism is the same logic that would discourage people of different Chinese provinces or different US states from procreating with each other. In fact, the ultimate logical conclusion of your keep-it-close mentality is nothing short of incest, which indeed used to be common in the past when people didn’t travel far and often married their cousins.

          • Insomnicide

            Are you implying there are no differences between races?

            Nationalism and racial realism are different things. People from different Chinese provinces are still the same race, people from China and Japan are still the same race. However, people from China and people from Sweden for example are different races. Not only culturally, physically but also genetically. If other animals have different sub-species, then why not humans?

          • Yes, there are differences between races.

            The question is––so what?

            There are many different ways to categorize people: height, weight, language, religion, politics, blood type, gender, personality, profession, family clan, class, wealth. Who are you to say that two introverted accountants who share hobbies (e.g., traveling or music) and happen to be of different races are not compatible with each other?

            Yeah, people from different Chinese provinces are still the same race. Well guess what? People from different races are still the same species. EVERYONE is different culturally, physically, and genetically. Other animals with far greater intraspecies genetic diversity still procreate with each other, so why not humans?

          • Zappa Frank

            do you realize how arbitrary is your path..it’s you decide which is the amount of difference tolerable to remain inside the ‘race’ and when is too much and than is ‘another race’… is not a natural law.. we could stretch the things and decide for example that European and Asians and Australian aboriginals since have all from L3 mithocondrial origin and some Neanderthal dna are one race and Africans are another one.. or else we can decide that a certain family that share some pool of genes and a kind of hair are a race.. it is completely arbitrary..
            when you talk about animals it is evident that you don’t have ANY idea of what you are talking about.. two different group of apes in the same forest have a biggest DNA difference than the whole humans.. and no, we do not classify those different groups as sub-species.. the human race among all animals is well know for having inside the specie a really low difference in genetic pool.. and it is pretty obvious since just 80k we were all ONE population..

          • Insomnicide

            But humanity has long evolved from that. Now there are subspecies and different ‘races’. Long ago we were more or less one race, but long ago we also had uses for our gallbladders.

            There’s very evident physical differences between people of different races. It’s not only skin colour but also physical features and traits. Even though we all share some genes, people of different races do not share all genes. They have different genetic groupings to one another.

          • Zappa Frank

            80k long evolved? come on give a break.. you simply don’t know what you are saying..
            showed you just now that differences are minimal and that the very same thing can be said that your family has different genes and face traits from another one.. and than? still small difference..
            If you want to talk about genetics and anthropology at least study something before come here with this trash..

          • Guang Xiang

            I think it’s incredibly short-sighted to think that cultural mixing means throwing away ones own culture. I’ve lived in Hawaii, where Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Hawaiians, Filipinos, and Caucasians are pretty much mixed. I love experiencing different cultures and subsequently accept them into my life. And when I can, I share what I know of Chinese culture. There is no ‘us versus them’. Interracial marriage is something I wholly respect (unless it’s not true love of course).

          • Mighty曹

            Having lived in Hawaii I can attest that there is a strong “Us vs Them” mentality. But it’s only along the line of Hawaiians vs. ‘Mainlanders”. As for the different types of people among the Hawaiians there is completely no racism among them. That’s just awesome!

          • Guang Xiang

            haha! yea that’s true. I remember after 9/11 the mainland got stern with us because we had a lower percentage of people hanging the flag in remembrance.

            Did you study in Hawaii too? I studied at Iolani High School

          • Mighty曹

            Er howzit brah? I had this idea of attending UH but ended up just working and partying. Hey, I’m sure you understand, I lived in Waikiki, party central! :D

            It’s somewhat ridiculous to see signs in Safeway like “Islands eggs vs Mainland eggs”. The worst part is anyone from any of the 49 states is labeled a ‘mainlander’. I literally had to fight for respect. I was always picked on at work and they’d always say shits like “Don’t trust him. He’s from the main land, etc”. Finally I got fed up and showed them what a ‘mainlander’ was all about. LOL

            After that, I got more tanned, picked up Pidgin English and shared pakalolo with them I became a ‘Local’.

          • Zappa Frank

            and exactly which part would you have in Chinese culture or heritage?

          • JSXV

            HA. exotic poon…. perhaps the fact you’ve never had any explains ur stance.. how exactly are u throwing away ur culture/heritage etc in the first place? u can maintain this even if ur married to a foreigner..

          • Zappa Frank

            in many cases they throw it away even marring with other Chinese and even remaining in china.. we can also add that of Chinese culture remains not so much after 60years of communism..

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            that’s the basis of racism

        • Mighty曹

          Hahaha and you actually un-upvoted.

          • Germandude

            That’s how I roll ;-)

          • Mighty曹

            Almost as effective as a down-vote. :D

          • Germandude

            Just don’t want to support those retarded beliefs. I simply misunderstood him initially.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Well i see how you can relate to the chinese commenters…I’ve dealt with those insecure pathetic chinese nerds since my first year of studying chinese 9 years ago. At that time i had no idea how me finding a chinese girlfriend could be anybody else’s business but our own. I was very naive. The Chinese girl in question happened to be the most attractive in a few hundred mile radius (not too hard amongst chinese students abroad i admit) and the Chinese guys she knew and who’s mentality i didn’t understand at that time fuckin’ despised me. They hated me so fuckin’ much. They made me hate China before i set foot there for the first time. Fuckin cunts. Always with they awkard, vicious opinions with a smile, always vomiting on your country because as they are boring nerds they have nothing to do and didn’t chose to come there in the first place for quite a lot of them. Even though i can understand all the difficulties they face, they are nonetheless a truly pathetic bunch. Thankfully during my first trip to China i encountered other kind of people than the “Chinese studying abroad” kind and my image of China improved.

    • Zappa Frank

      i think was the sickest comment

    • David

      So I am guessing in his mind since marry white adds to the gene pool, marrying the opposite (darker???) detracts from the gene pool?

      • wnsk

        That’s what confused me at first too. But i think he’s talking in terms of patrilineage, i.e. the children only counts towards the “gene pool” if the father is Chinese. White is just more “preferable”, for some reason.

      • Kai

        We’d have to ask to be certain but Joe and I discussed this too. One way to translate the original Chinese is “improving the race” but is he referring to the “Chinese race” or “human race”? We felt that translation might give people the impression he thinks his own race is inferior and that’s unlikely. He more likely thinks white + asian is better but asian + darker races is worse. Then all of this is conflated with sexism as well. I think we can safely say this guys has objectionable opinions, though I guess we can give him credit for at least being self-aware that such feelings are not exactly enlightened.

      • Rick in China

        I think his comment just comes from a mutation of what ‘adding’ to a gene pool is – whether he meant adding or improving aside – where he thinks adding in ‘bad’ genes would be anyone from an ethnicity that is deemed a poor nation (such as many African nations, India, etc) whereas ethnicities from deemed ‘rich’ nations, typically white people, would somehow improve his own national gene pool rather than either of the comments above. You and I know that what makes a gene pool strong is diversity – where natural selection can, over time, weed out negative changes and allow positives ones to spread over time – but I think he was, in his idiocy of either misunderstanding or simply manipulating scientific understanding, trying to call Indians genetically inferior and in the ‘not to be mated with’ class of Human from his perspective. A douche bag irregardless of what he meant or understands…

    • lacompacida

      I am glad he is thankfully glad that during the rape of Beijing by the 8 European powers, there were lots of genes left.

    • MonkeyMouth

      he’ll die with a DOTA joystick in one hand, a coca cola in the other

    • lonetrey / Dan

      :/ why…. does “hope he dies the death of a virgin” seem so inadequate?

      I feel like this warrants something of a higher magnitude, like, “I hope he gets his balls cut off by a nice Asian girlfriend who turns out to be a psychopath.”

      • Germandude

        Read the quoted comment again and you’ll figure why I think these kind of idiots should die the death of a virgin in order to not spread their genes for creating the next generation of trash.

        • wnsk

          Are you tying general intelligence (or the lack thereof) to genes? Have you not encountered cases where the children are markedly different from their parents in terms of outlook, opinions, etc? I’d say it’s a common occurrence, in fact.

          • Germandude

            No. I just think that with idiots producing kids, chances are high that the kids will be influenced by their idiotic parents that raise them wrong.

          • wnsk

            What you say is not wrong…but it’s still a dangerous line of thinking. Eugenics almost became state policy in my country, and it was proposed by a man many people consider to be very intelligent.

            Far better to espouse education, rather than have such notions as “stupid people shouldn’t reproduce.” My own parents are more prejudiced than I am, my grandparents were a lot more prejudiced than I am–and I don’t think I’m a special case.

            Education is the key, not birth control.

          • Germandude

            True, but what to do in a country where education is determined by incomce and poor people being left out of it?

          • Kai

            Try to do what other countries have done where education is also determined by income and poor people are left out of it.

            (Don’t worry, I understand what you mean.)

          • Kai

            I was hoping you just wanted him to die a virgin so he never tastes the sweet sweet love of a woman.

          • Mighty曹

            The DNA code is hard to undo. lol

        • lonetrey / Dan

          Ah i see your point. I thought the implication was to deny the chinese netizen sex instead of denying him offspring

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      The problem with these guys is that they are legion. Fantasizing about domination of the world through breeding. Sick fantasies, but that’s to be expected from insecure pathetic little creatures. The only reason they believe that “their women” shouldn’t be with foreigners is because they can’t have a foreign woman themselves, and to be honest can you blame those foreign women for not falling into the arms of a bunch of gremlins with backwards nationalist racist mentalities? Can you blame them?

  • Surfeit

    HAHA! People are actually pissed off about it… but they will never be as rich or happy!! It’s absolutely fantastic! Poor stupid bastards, the jokes on you!

    • Insomnicide

      It’s not a matter of wealth, but race/ethnicity.

      • IsurvivedChina

        but the headline reads wealthy

        • Kai

          Yeah, it’s both. Insecure Chinese diaosi with inferiority complexes being racist sexist assholes. I’m almost surprised by the rational comments given that it’s Tiexue.

          • IsurvivedChina

            it’s a scary form of nationalism… hardly any one above mentioned how happy she looked!

          • Dick Leigh

            Happiness is secondary to the Glory of the Chinese Nation(tm).

          • IsurvivedChina

            what a sad way to live out your life!

          • Surfeit

            (tm) Classic move!

          • Germandude

            Yes, some great comments there between the retarded ones. I like it!

      • lacompacida

        Do you think “race/ethnicity” considerations is common among Chinese ?

        • Womanizer

          do you think being spanish make you more or less consideated of other race? e.g native americans?

      • Surfeit

        I’m mocking the commentators that suggest she is engaged in the relationship for materialistic reasons. I think that is apt enough.

  • IsurvivedChina

    Brother [referring to self] will guarantee you that after marriage, as soon as in half a year and no later than 5 years, you will be in tears. With your life, habits, and customs being different, I can guarantee it will be a tragedy for you. Not to mention India is a country that consider women to be inferior to men. Perhaps as newlyweds he will treat you very well but as time goes by and the novelty fades you will ultimately not be much higher than Indian women. When you realize all this, there may be even more tragedy down the road. This is not like other countries, you might not even be able to get a legal divorce.

    This one is my favourite…

    • MonkeyMouth

      ya, this is a ‘classic’….. substitute ‘india’ or indian’ for china and chinese and show me the difference….

  • Probotector

    Love the opening sentence “Who says Indians are all poor cunts”

    No one to my knowledge?!

    • lacompacida

      You have not read any Chinese forums on Chinese web sites.

    • Kai

      He’s just commenting on the widespread poverty in Indian society, and frankly, I think people around the world generally know of India having widespread poverty.

      THANK YOU, SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE.

      • Probotector

        Yeah, but would you refer to them as ‘poor cunts’?

        • Kai

          I wouldn’t, but that’s the Chinese term that was used. I think the hang up here is that while the Chinese words literally means “poor cunts”, the connotation is closer to “miserably poor”. The thing is, “bi” is inherently an offensive word even in Chinese, however commonly it might be used, so “cunt” reflects that better than “miserably poor”. There would be other Chinese terms or phrases that more closely fit “miserably poor”.

  • Probotector

    Out of 21 comments, only three weren’t bigoted. Is CS looking to fan the flames or is this the majority netizen opinion?

    • Markus Peg

      I was also thinking about this, I think that they may have been up voted, but by whom, do up votes really decide the majority opinion? Even on this site, does the most up votes really mean more people agree or just think its funny to add fuel to the fire for shits and giggles…?

    • lacompacida

      Did CS ask for bigoted comments ? Were you drawn to comment because CS asked you to ?

      • Probotector

        “Did CS ask for bigoted comments?”

        The authors of China Smack articles select the comments that they believe are the most popular, so maybe, yes.

        Then again, this bigotry could be the general consensus of the Chinese internet user community. It’s hard to say what motivates Fauna and the others when you consistently see negative story after negative story on CS. Perhaps it’s to get site traffic up.

        • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

          I think they have mentioned several times how they select the articles and the comments.

        • Germandude

          cS posts the comments that have received most upvotes at the time of translation. At least that’s how I understand it.

        • Kai

          Then again, this bigotry could be the general consensus of the Chinese internet user community.

          Whoa, think about this for a bit. If there was a site that posts a dozen or so comments from Yahoo or the Daily Mail, would you ever assume them to be “the general consensus” of the American or British internet user community?

          Probably not, right? Same here. There’s also a reason why we always cite the sources, because different sites often have different communities that skew differently in sentiments. Likewise, the comments on cS may reflect something about the readership of cS but doesn’t necessarily reflect expats and foreigners in general, right?

          If people can use critical thinking skills to know that some comments taken from one source at one point in time shouldn’t be generalized too far onto an entire population when it comes to other instances, they should apply the same critical thinking skills here.

          As for “negative story after negative story”, I think we all know that negative stuff tends to get more attention and discussion from people everywhere in the world. As long as the site’s mission is to go after the “popular” stuff, the content is going to skew towards the negative. It’s structural.

    • MonkeyMouth

      nuthin like good ol’ Hatfield and McCoy fuuuuuueeeeeedin!

  • Females selling their vagina to the highest bidder is common….that’s why I prefer to rent

    • Dick Leigh

      You could always try lease-to-buy?

      • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

        I think they leave him after he does his bukake.

  • Zappa Frank

    it is a sad topic. On one side comments, one side is probably true that those chinese girls get sometimes marry indians just because of the money.. Well not that many chinese can complain much about it since to have money is one of the most important value for men in china…than if have money is so important and for girls is so important to marry a rich men they can find one also among foreigners. Chinese men, in case, should complain about chinese society’s values…

  • Markus Peg

    Not shocked by the racist comments and idiotic up votes of said commenter.

    However, if you were to translate the Chinasmack comments into Chinese many of the highest up voted comments on here are also of moronic people saying stupid things. (Not always but it does often happen).

    So you can hardly take that as a majority opinion, especially here, where you can up vote your own comments and even allow guest votes, how does the comment voting work on many of the sites the Chinese comments are taken from..?

    In terms of this story, the men do not come across as “rich Indian men” in the photographs above. But internationally relationships should not be looked down upon, Whats wrong with being more culturally divers. One day the world will all be mixed race.

    • lacompacida

      Go on. Live in your dream that racism is not a majority view of Chinese.

      • MonkeyMouth

        maybe they’re just jealous of that bread truck all decked out in xmas tree decorations….

      • Dick Leigh

        It’s not racism, it’s an ugly mix of ignorance and nationalism that shows up when Chinese start gathering together. Talk to them one-on-one and they’ll be open-minded and progressive, but get them in a group and they turn into xenophobic warmongers.

        • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

          mob mentality?

        • Womanizer

          what’s wrong with xenphobia? why can’t china just for han. why do we need a white guy in china?

          • Zappa Frank

            are you Chinese? really? sure?… I begin to have some doubts..

          • Not even the Chinese government contends that China is Han-only. Practically all patriotic PRC citizens pride themselves on the “harmony” of their 56 different ethnicities. As I said, you’re either a troll or a special case of stupid.

          • Womanizer

            YES WE CAN!

          • Because women need romance and not skinny guys with feline features, long hair and a fear of contact sports.

          • noodles76

            Ever see more than two people try to get on the same bus? They have no fear of contact sports. I fear the little old women who never seem to be shy about tossing an elbow.

            ……and if women needed romance I’d still be single. Romance is for suckers. Just club ’em on the head like a baby seal and they’ll be putty in your hands. Alternatively, treating women with respect works too.

        • Kai

          Well, it’s that but there’s also racism I think. Each case has to be judged on its own, but I think both phenomenon is arguably present.

          • Dick Leigh

            True dat. And the racism crosses all class-barriers. In Canada, one guy in my boyfriend’s circle of educated-abroad friends tried telling the circle that mixed-race babies are genetically weaker, less “pure” and just generally more unhealthy, but his friends were all doctors of biology and shut him up good.

            He even knew that I was mixed-race, so he said this to his friends in Chinese so I couldn’t overhear. My boyfriend translated everything for me (we’re all still friends; the racist guy is actually a nice guy),

          • The quickest way to shut anyone up about the glories of racial purity and the evils of interracial procreation is to point out that the ultimate form of “genetic purity” is nothing short of inbreeding aka incest.

          • Zappa Frank

            ah yeah…really nice guy and nice friend to you…and if those are friends i wonder how are enemies

          • Dick Leigh

            Even nicer. Have you seen a civil Chinese argument before? They’re all smiles while their eyes shoot daggers.

          • Zappa Frank

            yes, the hypocrisy at his maximum..

          • wnsk

            That guy in your example doesn’t come across as racist at all; just scientifically misinformed at most.

          • Rick in China

            “at all”, really? Stating that mixing race destroys genetic superiority isn’t racist? I’d say you’re the epitome of misinformed at best, if that’s what you’re truly trying to *correct* here. Utter nonsense, disgusting in the least.

          • wnsk

            the racism seems incidental; it just seems to me like he’s trying to show off his knowledge more than he’s trying to hate on some race.

            you’re hardly the person to chastise me though. not when you disparage “peasants” and rail off about “chinks.” disgusting? pah. go piss somewhere and look at your own reflection.

          • Rick in China

            I refer to peasants often. There are many in China, to deny that is simply unfactual. I have never used the other phrase you bring up – but thanks for that attempt to flip the direction in mine with nothing more than fuckin’ jibberish and rhetoric once again. Projection at it’s finest, what do you expect, “denouncing race mixing is NOT AT ALL RACIST”? I don’t know any ‘old boy’ Georgians as ignorant as that in regards to racism. What else do you have, please, supply even more ammunition to discredit yourself as anything more than a useless fool… scientific misunderstanding, more projection perhaps?

            FYI fuckface, educate yourself: peasant (ˈpɛz ə nt) —A peasant is a member of a traditional class of farmers, either laborers or owners of small farms …etc

            That describes how many hundred million people in China? Exactly. “pah. go google somewhere”

          • wnsk

            You use “peasant” as a disparaging term, not as a matter of fact. I thought I remembered you using the other term…but if you didn’t, then my apologies.

            As for whether the guy was racist or not, well okay I’ll concede it if you feel so strongly about it.

            Happy?

          • Rick in China

            Sometimes my appearance of vitriol comes from self-entertaining while drinking, such as last night (notice reply was like, 4am.) Yes, I’m happy, and “peasant” as a disparaging term has nothing to do with Chinese, specifically, nor any specific race, so I don’t get why calling obvious peasants with the intent of being disparaging is racist? Insulting, yes, racist? No.

          • wnsk

            Well, that explains it. Not an excuse though. I’d be a lot more motivated to consider your point of view if you were a lot less inflammatory. Like now.

            No, “peasant” isn’t racist. But it’s discriminatory all the same. I won’t push it though, since, on reflection, I’ve been guilty of the same in the past, i.e. using this term as an insult (not here, elsewhere.)

          • Dick Leigh

            Well, the “racial purity” thing was blatant racism, but probably does result from being misinformed. Which is why I still talk to,like and respect the guy (it helps that he’s also really nice).

            He was a personal adviser to the Premier in the last election in my province (in charge of chinese-canadian outreach), so I’m still surprised by a person like him holding such misinformed views despite living in Canada for years.

        • Rick in China

          Wow. Are you really that naive? Have you had any sort of relationship with many people here? Look, what YOU see and what REALITY is, is often very distant. Let me give you an example with Tibetans and Chinese, to which you will hopefully understand why you think all these individuals are so progressive and open minded, forgetting the fact that those who interact with you are more inclined to be so just by the fact they are likely in the more progressive socio-economic and cultural class who makes up the tiny percentage of people who are likely *truly* able to fit into that progressive open minded droplet you’ve imagined in the ocean of shit:

          Chinese tourists go to Tibet frequently. When they do so, the tibetans they interact with are typically people who earn their money from tourism. The Chinese are guided along, knowingly or not, these tourist paths – keeping away from the truths of Tibet and all they see is happy welcomers and greeters willing to interact with them with the utmost reverence. At night they’ll get a song and dance outside their hotel – some late-stayers will interact on a ‘personal level’ chatting and drinking with the *workers*, the entertainment or whatever paid by the hotel the group is staying at. If you’re one of those foreigners who stays up even later, you may be up long enough to see the Chinese people depart. The Tibetans, if you’re lucky, will stick around. Immediately when you are alone with them, you might just see an immediate and obvious change in attitude and conversation – typically a “FUCK, thank god those fucking assholes are GONE. I hate them SO much.” type conversation/attitude. The Chinese who just left go home happy thinking they have made some sort of personal connection with those who their praised government oppress, oh how wonderful it is! Unaware of the ugly truth – that they are hated and reviled by those they just interacted with, because that…my friend, is what those people who work at the hotel, must do with their lives – put on a face. Put on a face to survive – to earn some money – to get something out of whatever life they have – to avoid problems. Take whichever reason it is, often when you see all these ‘progressive and open’ people, you’re just getting what they think you want to see – not the real people – and that is the truth.

          Not to say they don’t exist in China, they do, but they are more often than not invisible to you and your circle – it’s a matter of survival in this homogenistic generally closed and fake-face-is-acceptable society.

          • Alex Dương

            …fake-face-is-acceptable society.

            What a childish rant. You think restaurant staff in your home country don’t do the same when they have to put up with asshole customers?

          • Rick in China

            Yep, they do. That’s their job, not their true personality, they’re being paid to be fake-nice. Here, people do it because that’s simply who they are. The point above, far removed from your obvious lack of understanding, was that Dick was being naive to think all that he based his opinion on was authentic in the least. Clear yet? Need more handholding?

          • Alex Dương

            Here, people do it because that’s simply who they are.

            And the best way to demonstrate that is to refer to Tibetan pink collar workers putting on a “customer satisfaction” show for Han tourists, amirite?

            Don’t worry, Ricky; I was clear before I read your nonsense. Both you and Dick overexaggerated this as a huge cultural difference between the Chinese and the West. Given your past defense of a colony as a bastion of freedom, it doesn’t surprise me that you’re so naive as to think that “fake face is acceptable” is a Chinese thing.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

            Americans are afraid of being perceived as racist, gosh, I guess that means America is a “fake face is acceptable” society! Derp.

          • Dick Leigh

            I get what you’re saying, and what’s worse is that the Chinese don’t even realize what’s going on in their own country because they think everyone’s equally Chinese, despite Han being more equal than the other ethnic groups.

        • don mario

          not my experience at all. my ex used to say one on one that indian people all smell of curry, they are ugly and dark skin blah blah blah and i could not convince her to go to a indian restaurant.

          • Dick Leigh

            I couldn’t get my boyfriend to go for Indian food either. He hated how it was 90% sauce.

      • Kai

        I don’t think he is saying or thinks that. Frankly, racial prejudice is found amongst the vast majority of all people. Some people just know how to hide it or control it better, usually because of education and prevailing social norms (political correctness).

        He’s just saying that comments are inherently self-selected. Of 100 readers, maybe 1 person will comment. While we may know what that 1 person thinks, we don’t know for certain what the other 99 think. chinaSMACK gets tens of thousands of visitors each day, but how many comments do we get? Would the comments we do have accurately represent all these visitors?

        I think it’s fair to bemoan the amount of racism among Chinese people, but it’s also important to be self-aware of how much we are generalizing from limited data confounded by any number of statistical issues.

    • Surfeit

      “Perhaps only shameless bitches would marry into the A-San nation! Either that or she is just a unemployed woman from Dongguan!”

      Show me the Chinasmack equivalent and I’ll consider your point.

    • Insomnicide

      A mixed race would not be a great future for humanity. We like each other because we appreciate the difference in our cultures and appearances. If the world became a mix of light and dark, the cultures became a mash of east and west, the world would be a dull and uninteresting place.

      • Alex Dương

        I think the U.S. as a whole is a counterexample to your claim. Sure, “interracial” marriage has only become more common in the last few decades, but “intraracial interethnic” marriage has been common among second-generation and later white Americans for over 100 years.

      • Guang Xiang

        I think the world would be beautiful

      • Germandude

        We like each other because we appreciate the difference in our cultures and appearances.

        This, I think most can agree with. People are attracted to the unknown, adventerous and mysterious. Searching for sth exotic.

        A mixed race would not be a great future for humanity. … If the world became a mix of light and dark, the cultures became a mash of east and west, the world would be a dull and uninteresting place.

        The world would most likely be a more peaceful place because “Hey, what’s up? I cannot hate on niggas no more, cause there is none left and I am partly one myself…” Mixed-couples (ethnicity or nationality) are usually more tolerant to others than mono-ethnic once (surprise…).

        Sorry to break your hopes for the future, but the mixing of races is winning this race.

      • Absolute nonsense. By that logic, any country is inherently dull in its own domestic vacuum, and ethnically homogenous countries like Korea and Japan are dullest of all. This absurd myth that interracial relationships would completely wipe out genetic diversity is utterly retarded. Humans are not drops of water mindlessly swarming in Brownian motion, fucking each other in perfect proportion to each others’ diluted concentrations. Every instance of interracial procreation is the result of the same combination of love, passion, and humanity that spawns intra-racial procreation.

        The notion that multicultural relationships make the world dull and uninteresting for those involved in those multicultural relationships is utterly nonsensical. The world holds a great deal of diversity, but 95% of people never truly experience it (meaning, they live in their isolated cultural bubbles all their lives)––that is what’s truly dull and uninteresting.

        • Womanizer

          why don’t you blend in with black people then? why do you want to do with us asians? stop forcing your thoughts on to others. if we don’t want to do it then f off

        • wrle

          actually, Japan is probably the only homogenous country on earth now, stuck with their “pure blood” mentality. South Korea has changed alot in recent years and non ethnic koreans now constitute a significant percetage of their population. Sadly they are following the steps of western nations like britain where immigrant peasants are destroying society.

          • Zappa Frank

            I think you all have a wrong idea about what was the society in Europe before the immigrants.. I suggest you to read a great book of Jack London people of the abyss..

          • hess

            A wooping 2.8% foreigners in South Korea! Of which 32% are ethnic Koreans..

          • Zappa Frank

            a real mess, a real multicultural society that must be stopped here and now.. I wonder why they change completely their ideas once abroad they become the minority..

      • Zappa Frank

        ehmm… cultures are already becoming a mash of west and east (and even south) and china (asia in general) is one the place where this trend is more evident even without a strong presence of foreigners..
        anywhere don’t be afraid, it is unlikely mixed race will be the future of the whole humanity, but is likely that is going to be more and more common..

      • Womanizer

        +1 forever different

        • Zappa Frank

          the problem is that the difference you show out here is not the difference you claim, but another kind..

          • Womanizer

            ultra nationalism?

          • ultra retardation

          • Womanizer

            ultra white cunt?

          • Is that what you are? Now it all makes sense. No self-respecting Chinese or Asian person could possibly make the embarrassing comments you’ve made. The only logical solution is that you’re an “ultra white cunt” doing an incredible job of making your alibi (an alleged “Chinese male”) look like a pathetic, insecure fool. You’re not fooling me.

          • Womanizer

            you mad bro? i rejoice on your pain i live to touture you

          • Guang Xiang

            on the contrary, he makes you sound like a fool

          • Womanizer

            i live to reojoice

          • mr.wiener

            Not on here you won’t.

          • I’m 100% sure you’re not a PRC citizen and 99% sure you’re not even really Chinese. At best, you’re a whitewashed banana who hates white people.

            Mad? No, I’m just laughing at you.

          • Womanizer

            at least i’m not halfcast

          • Wa

            Wait…only a white person could be this nationalistic and racist? Evidence suggests otherwise. I was with you until you threw that out there, but hey, what’s not to love about confirmation?

          • What I meant was that his comments are so embarrassing to his own cause and make him look like such a fool, that it would make more sense if he were just some non-Asian dude (wouldn’t necessarily need to be white, but since his comments are so cartoonishly anti-white, it would make most sense if he were a white dude trying to mock anti-white sentiment).

            tl;dr––He’s acting illogical.

          • Wa

            Actually, you are acting illogical as well. Of course he is a fool; nevertheless, his comments are in keeping with Insomnicide’s and the whole host of blisteringly racist (or “racial”) comments above. Is everyone else not Chinese? In this context it certainly would not “make more sense if he were just some non-Asian dude”. There is, simply, no justification for that statement. When his voice echoes the biases above while adding a touch of insanity, it takes a contortionist to argue it stems from some other group, white or non-white.

            You provided a lot of meaningful comments on this thread. In light of that I will respectfully state that what you say you meant is not what your words meant.

          • Erm, I really do think you misunderstood what I was saying. For example, if I were a vegan, and I made a bunch of absurdly moronic comments slandering meat-eaters (e.g., saying things like “meat eating cunts”), one would be right to remark that I am doing such disservice to the vegan cause that I may as well secretly be a meat-eater trying to make vegans look bad, because that would at least be more logical on my part.

            There’s a very clear difference between the obnoxious and intentionally inflammatory remarks of Womanizer and the earnest albeit misguided comments of Insomnicide. I can tell Insomnicide is sincere and really intends to intellectually justify ethnocentrism, whereas I can tell Womanizer is just desperate for attention.

          • whuddyasack

            Sound familiar? This person has the right idea.

            http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/02/12/racist-flier-at-ucla/

            b) jackass white dudes pretending to be angry Asian men. Judging from the over-the-top language, it could very well be the latter

            Reminds me of a certain poster who claimed to be a “Chinese nationalist”, born and raised in the motherland and a patriot in the past despite not even having a Chinese IP address. He used very abusive, unintelligent and embittered language, so embittered and unreal that most Chinese could tell he was not who he claimed he was and the reason he was doing this was so that people would use him as an excuse for China-bashing.

            Actually any honest person would know that troll was no Chinese, except certain people who were prejudiced and using this obvious troll as confirmation bias. Boy did they lap it up.

            I think the case is similar with this “womanizer”… lol and I’m laughing at how eagerly Wa wishes to fit the role of the useful idiot. Not without purpose of course. Yes, I can tell the difference too.

          • wnsk

            I was thinking the same thing. What, Chinese can’t be stupid? Only whites can have this privilege?

            …But seriously @disqus_sZe140t687:disqus , who cares if the troll is white/yellow/purple? What matters is you don’t feed it.

          • whuddyasack

            Actually, I think Matt is right at this point. I’ve actually come across embittered White males posing as self-hating/Asian-hating commentators on the internet just to troll others and prove their point… The anonymity of the internet and the sheer number of the like-minded affords them this. You can tell because of the way the comment is structured, the timing and most importantly, moderators out them out.

            Is it really that hard to believe that White people don’t fake nationalities/races to stir up conflict? Apparently this man doesn’t think so, and I agree with him.

            http://www.rjkoehler.com/2014/02/12/racist-flier-at-ucla/

            I believe Matt’s comment follows this line of thought.

          • Wa

            Yeah…no one really cares what you believe. “The sheer number of the like-minded”? ” “The way the comment is structured, the timing”? “Moderators out them out”? “Is it really that hard to believe…”?

            I know you be trollin’, but try to make it less obvious that your remarks are completely unsubstantiated. You’ve found someone somewhere on the Internet who literally “guesses” in a one paragraph aside that a white person was behind racist banners (insulting white people among others), and you’ve decided this serves to justify the continuation of the same victim complex you showed in your dialogue with Matt over how deeply endangered Asians are.

            Is it really that hard to believe in a place where Chinese racists are prevalent, other Chinese racists appear to support them?

            Get help. As things stand, your existence is parasitic.

          • whuddyasack

            I know you be trollin’, but try to make it less obvious that your remarks are completely unsubstantiated.

            I wouldn’t call it trolling, as it’s natural to look and call out such an insecure R-card playing nitwit with disgust. You OTOH are definitely “rage-trolling” judging by your emotive responses. First learn to read and separate different dialogues as my conversation with Matt bears no relevance to my comment directed towards you.

            I brought up that example just to compliment Matt’s line of thought, that impersonation is the oldest trick in the book and one where the stakeholders gleefully lap up. A cursory glance at your knee jerk responses to Matt calling him illogical substantiates just that. Your own impotence was your undoing.

            Yeah…no one really cares what you believe.

            Yeah suuureee… try not to make it so obvious that you do. Protip: Don’t use ad hominems unless you feel like crying harder than you did before.

          • Wa

            *rolleyes*

            Look child, you directed your post to me, right? You asked me to countenance your whiny incredulity toward the fact that Chinese people might be so racist on a post and thread where there clearly are Chinese who show such racism?

            You posted a link which revealed nothing other than a comment clearly articulated as a “guess”. But wait…there’s more to that fatuous mind of yours. You also selectively framed the citation so as to exclude the possibility of the racist flier being posted by “angry Asian men”, as indicated in the original passage:

            :”Judging from the content, I’m guessing the flyer was distributed by either a) angry Asian men or b) jackass white dudes pretending to be angry Asian men. Judging from the over-the-top language, it could very well be the latter, but what the hell do I know.”

            Now, who wouldn’t take such a comment seriously? After all, you have essentially nothing other than your own belief. No evidence, no logic, no merit, and what I might characterize, were I to grant you any respect, as a severe case of pseudo-academic dishonesty. And you think I have to provide anything more than pointing out your stupidity?

            Matt’s initial position on this issue was illogical. Yours is far worse.

            “my conversation with Matt bears no relevance to my comment directed towards you”

            Your expressed fear of large families of white people and a pending Asian extinction bears no relevance to this comment? Since you provided no substance but your belief, I’m afraid it does. Do entertain yourself. I’m sure there are blocks somewhere for you to play with.

          • whuddyasack

            As if building strawmen and manufacturing indifference would take away the fact that you’ve been bitching and moaning all this time about “Chinese racism” haha. Try not to mock children as they screw you over in the maturity department.

            You are as transparent as they come and the point is this. I provided the link to demonstrate Matt’s point wasn’t nearly as illogical as you hurriedly claimed it to be. Impersonation is an old, old trick eagerly lapped up by insecure losers with an agenda of their own. BTW, this was exactly what I meant overwhelming numbers of the like-minded, this was exactly the point. There are far more “China bashers” here than the total number of “racist Chinese” so your unsubstantiated R-card claim is hilarious.

            The Asian extinction discussion with Matt is your very own red herring as there are no parallels between your sore loserism and what my discourse with him was. It wasn’t so much a fear of large White families as much as it was me highlighting the fact that such large East Asian families are non-existant yet it doesn’t stop Europeans from worrying about their own “genocide”. Your comprehension skills are awful, dudette.

    • Womanizer

      well, mr.whiteman let me explain why we asians have a high emphesis on race and family background. you see chinese (han) are descendent of the first emperor himself. we have great civilzation and history we do not need to blend with other primative race such as africans. some may argue that’s racist but honestly do you want to look back and say my kids are black and they don’t have the same features as my ancestor? you wouldn’t care because you born into a family of peasants. if we are created with seperate features then i guess nature want to leave it that way. i dont want my kids to be black.

      • Zappa Frank

        ok that’s racism simple and plain..we cannot discuss about it..
        but my question is:
        do you really believe in myths as to be a descendent of a probably never existed first emperor?

        • Germandude

          I am surprised that faggot is not banned again for trolling. Like with his first nickname a couple of months ago…

          • Zappa Frank

            is he the same person? I think he’s going all out looking for another ban..

          • Germandude

            Yes, he is. You can easily tell by his limited horizon and the words he puts in.
            It’s not difficult for a clever person to pretend being stupid. It however is difficult for a stupid person to pretend being clever. He is the best example of it.

        • wnsk

          Far as I know, no-one doubts that the First Emperor existed.

          That said, it’s ridiculous to think all Chinese are descended from him.

          • Zappa Frank

            if you mean the emperor former king of qin as the first ok, if you mean the yellow emperor I think is not that sure:

            Historicity[edit]

            The renowned Chinese historian Sima Qian – and much Chinese historiography following him – considered the Yellow Emperor to be a more historical figure than earlier legendary figures such as Fu Xi, Nüwa, and the Yan emperor. His Records of the Grand Historian begins with the Yellow Emperor, while passing over the others.[2][10]

            Throughout most of Chinese history, the Yellow Emperor and the other ancient sages were considered to be real historical figures.[8] Their historicity started to be questioned in the 1920s by historians like Gu Jiegang, one of the founders of the Doubting Antiquity School in China.[8] In their attempts to prove that the earliest figures of Chinese history were mythological, Gu and his followers argued that these ancient sages were originally gods who were later depicted as humans by the rationalist intellectuals of the Warring States period.[11] Yang Kuan, a member of the same historiographical current, noted that only in the Warring States period had the Yellow Emperor started to be described as the first ruler of China.[12] Yang thus argued that Huangdi was a later transformation of Shangdi, the supreme god of the Shang pantheon.[13]

            Also in the 1920s, French scholars Henri Maspero and Marcel Granet published critical studies of China’s accounts of high antiquity.[14] In his Danses et légendes de la Chine ancienne [“Dances and legends of ancient China”], for example, Granet argued that these tales were “historicized legends” that said more about the time when they were written than about the time they purported to describe.[15]

            Most scholars now agree that the Yellow Emperor was originally a deity who was later transformed into a human figure.[16] K.C. Chang sees Huangdi and other cultural heroes as “ancient religious figures” who were “euhemerized” in the late Warring States and Han periods.[8] Historian of ancient China, Mark Edward Lewis speaks of the Yellow Emperor’s “earlier nature as a god,” whereas Roel Sterckx, a professor at University of Cambridge, calls Huangdi a “legendary cultural hero.”[17]

          • wnsk

            Oh, a confusion. First Emperor is normally understood to be referring to the Qin guy. But yeah, I see now that Womanizer was probably referring to the Yellow Emperor.

      • Good lord, you’re fucking stupid. I don’t believe you’re Chinese; you must be some troll pretending to be an insecure Chinese male. You’re definitely not a PRC citizen––that’s for sure.

      • One for all
        • Zappa Frank

          I hope you are joking… the article you linked takes something known by anyone (all h.sapiens come from Africa) and makes some illogical conclusions..
          all sapiens are from Africa-in Africa there are black people-all sapiens in the world are/were black..

      • Putin

        Dude! the way you are hitting hard on black people i’ll quickly suggest a black guy must have snatched your gf with his weapon of mass attraction since u can’t measure up to that lol

      • Port of Dandong

        we asians

        Who the feck is “we asians” do you seriously think the Vietnamese, Thais, Malaysians and Filipinos, for example, want anything to do with or to be a part of your Han version of the ‘Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere’?

        you see chinese (han) are descendent of the first emperor himself.

        Oh, you mean the first stone age Yellow Emperor who united the other neolithic tribes and when he died he ascended to heaven on the wings of a dragon? This is the Emperor where no historical evidence exists and is based solely on fairy tales from the Shang Dynasty about 2,000 years after this Yellow Emperor apparently existed? Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m just going by memory here.

        we do not need to blend with other primative race such as africans.

        I disagree. What Mainland China needs the most at this moment is a Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Jessie Owens, Jimmy Hendrix or Malcolm X, I guess what I’m trying to say is that Mainland China needs someone with some balls who is willing to stand up for the oppressed and who’s only crime is to be poor. I realise that some of a previous generation are languishing in jail and mental asylums for trying, but is there any chance of someone like that emerging on the Mainland now; amongst the nationalist indoctrinated hermaphrodite, female featured boys currently sleeping or playing computer games?

        Who is ‘we’? If you think ‘all’ Chinese people would agree with your deluded ramblings you are fooling yourself. What about the Tibetans Mongols Manchu and Japanese? They apparently did some ‘blending’ when they invaded China? You should also get a DNA test as there’s about an 8% chance you have Mongol genes. How’s your ‘pure race’ looking now?

        if we are created with seperate features

        Yes, I must admit I’m a fan of tall Chinese women with high cheekbones and dressed in qi paos…oh wait that’s Manchu… damn, another flaw in your Han pure race theory. Bugger!

      • Dr Sun

        I hope you realize most asians are not han and I hope you realize a huge number of the chinese population are not han either.And I hope you realize the han have been mixing/blending for with others genes for a very long time. There may be a remote village in Hunan that could possibly still claim to be pure han, the rest nope, your blended.

    • don mario

      if you dont think its a majority try taking to the streets and see what the typical thoughts from chinese people about indians are. i am certain that the majority of chinese people have small minded negative racist views of indian people. based on what they have told me anyway.

  • lacompacida

    Chinese are not racists ?

  • christina

    I do like how several netizens notice the sexist and racist bent among their brethren – “Chinese women who marry abroad are accused of being lewd, while
    Chinese men who marry foreign women are praised as bringing glory to the
    nation.”

    There is hope for China yet.

    • Irvin

      They want us to spread our chinese seeds world wide while keeping our women to our selves. I’m trying hard on my part on the former, but the latter is out of my control.

      • donscarletti

        No, they want you to bring foreign women into China and stop their women from going abroad. They don’t care what you do with your seed.

        This is more of an insecurity about Chinese/foreign couples producing 100% foreign offspring, it’s just womb-space is seen as a far more limited and important national commodity than sperm.

    • Doge Wallace

      Same things are said in Western countries when an Asian or Black male marries a white woman.

      • Zappa Frank

        not at the same magnitude..

        • Doge Wallace

          Are you sure? Remember about Lorde and her Asian boyfriends a few months back?

          • Zappa Frank

            I have no idea of what are you talking about, but if you could give me some links I would appreciate.

          • Alex Dương
          • Zappa Frank

            wow I did not know about that (I don’t know anything about pop music gossip thanks god).. well that’s bad… it really disappoint me..

          • Guest

            Wasn’t that JB fans or something. I know that a lot of fandoms were pissed because she said some “harsh” things concerning various pop singers.

          • Alex Dương

            Wasn’t that JB fans or something.

            Supposedly, yes (plus One Republic’s “fans”). I’m all for trashing Justin Bieber in good fun, but that aside, I don’t think anyone can really make a credible case that those kinds of prejudices are only found among Bieber fangirls.

      • Gordon Gogodancer

        Not the same sir, not the same

        • Kai

          I’d say there are very similar sentiments but they are not as openly expressed in more multicultural non-homogenous Western society. That is, I think, a credit to Western society.

      • Troll_Wrangler

        I have been subjected multiple freak out sessions of insecure white males shitting their pants about how black men are taking “our”(I’m also a white male)white women, because apparently we white men have first dibs on white women, and I shouldn’t just be happy for them when two people hit it off romantically.

        • Zappa Frank

          wow does really happen this kind of things in US… ? is it happened around ozark or is really a common thing?

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, for reasons unknown, there’s a lot of rage and frustration, pent-up or unleashed in the US everytime interracial marriages/relationships are brought up. You can easily trawl the internet and find multiple blogs over politicizing, criticizing or propagandizing such relationships. I know how bad it is even without living there. This happens to a much lesser extent in Canada but it’s still there. MUCH less and I’ve never heard of it in Europe (well, concerning Asians at least). I’ve also seen far less IRL bitching while studying in Australia. All parties, White, Black, Asian Americans etc. are guilty of this and I think a large part of the problem has to do with the race-driven antics of the media in general. IRL and other dating trends and “research” often gets publicize in news outlets which in turn are lapped up in blogs and forums by the typical basement dwelling trolls.

            That said, how America handles race is still many magnitudes better than how certain other countries in the developing world handle it. And I’m not even talking about China.

            One more thing, those espousing and engaging in this racial nonsense happen to be males 99% of the time.

          • Doge Wallace

            It happens in the US very frequently, and not even in small towns, but major cities like Los Angeles.

            Asian males get it the worst. I’ve gone out with two white women in my life, and the amount of cockblocking from complete strangers is ridiculous and something I never experienced when with Asian women.

            It’s not just me, it’s happened to several of my other Asian male friends as well. The one and only person who denied ever having such an experience (and is now married to a white woman) is a 6’3″ athlete, so I suppose that had something to do with it.

            …and we’re all from Los Angeles, and this has happened in the city of Los Angeles, Hollywood, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach, etc. Not just in the Ozarks.

          • Dr Sun

            I have to sadly agree the racism and prejudice my wife and I experienced in the USA as a interracial couple far exceeded that we experienced in Europe or have here in China.

            Interestingly those that were not racist/ hostile or racist were the native americans, the African Americans, Asians and Latinos. The hostility came only from and to my everlasting shame, from the Anglos.

          • Zappa Frank

            I’ve never suspected anything like that really….seems insecure males are everywhere…

          • 나비

            I am white and my husband is asian and we have a 2 yr old and we live in the south butbalso have lived in Korea. Anyway, I would say the majority,of,”stink eyes and disapproval” comes from white men here. My husband gets the stink eye often, Ive had men shake their head in disaproval at me, tell me tha rd I must love small penis and that asian men beat their wives, etc Eh Honestly, dont care about random dudes, its their issue, not mine. I would say the,second most racism we have encountered has been,from asian women. Typical stink eyes, Ive been told by a korean woman omce that I stole my husband from the Koreans, cold and unfriendly behavior, and honestly just think its their own insecurity and jealousy and again not my issue.
            I have never encountered racism from white women or black people or asian men. Actually the opposite happens with asian men. My husbamd,gets asked often how he “got” me, high fives, etc

            But even living in the south in a small town, id say 98% of people dont care and are nice. Our daughter has never beem treated badly amd has always been praised for,being “so beautiful” by whites and asians. Even living,in Korea, most people were nice and maybe found,us interesting especially because of our baby, but were nice. I dont pay attention to the few a holes around, its not my problem to deal with their issues.

          • Doge Wallace

            Sounds very familiar. Especially the small penis thing.

            I wasn’t aware of Asian women hating on AMWF. I did notice a few looks from Asian women when out with white women, but I guess I never took it as stink eyes, more like surprise, but a woman would know better, I guess. =)

          • So basically…some folks are just jealous pricks who don’t want competition.

          • Troll_Wrangler

            it does indeed happen and no it wasn’t in the ozarks, it was in San Diego, CA a major west coast city. I don’t know how common it is, but it will happen anywhere there is prejudice against people of african descent, which is some people in every part of the US. it hasn’t happened to me in 7 or so years because the people I spend my time with are very tolerant people, and the guys that were freaking out are morons that I don’t hang out with anymore. The extra layer of stupidity is that at least one of these guys was convinced that white women dated black men because of how big their dicks are supposed to be.

        • don mario

          they are welcome to all the white women they like, just let me have the asian women and its all good.

          • TAKE5

            Hate to disappoint you Don , but Black men are going after Asian women too. Better check your insecurity meter bro. I don’t want you to have a heart attack.

          • don mario

            no insecurity here. just saying i’m not going after western women any more. blacks or anybody else can help themselves to them!

        • TAKE5

          Are white men still freaking out about this? This is old news. I gave up on American white women many, many years ago. When I see a white woman with a Black man I assume they must really want to be together. The America white woman is the white man’s burden, he can have her all day long. Rest in peace white man. in fact I don’t understand why more white men are not going after foreign women. But hey, too each his own.

          • Troll_Wrangler

            I can assure you that yes white men are still freaking out about this sadly. Personally it never bothered me, I say good for those black men and good for those white women. My aunt(who is a white woman) is actually (long term) dating an african american man who is a pretty cool dude, and who I am proud to say is part of my family.

            What makes you say that white women are the white man’s burden?

    • Alex Dương

      Sexism could be worse in China than it is in the U.S. This doesn’t mean that there is no sexism in the U.S. Jon Stewart recently mocked several participants on Sean Hannity’s show for having sexist double standards: “I encourage my sons to go wild during Spreak Break, but I forbid my daughters to do the same.”

      http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/p9ek5k/the-younger-games–catching-ire

      • MonkeyMouth

        i”ll start the anti-semetic ‘thread’ right here…
        jon stewart is nothing but a………….
        ;)

        • Womanizer

          how much the did holla cost?

      • christina

        *sigh
        where are y’all getting the impression that I think racism/sexism doesn’t exist in the US?

        • Probably from here:

          I think racism/sexism doesn’t exist in the US

          • Alex Dương

            Nope.

        • Alex Dương

          There is hope for China yet.

          • She said there’s hope for China, but not that there’s hope for the US. Clearly, she thinks the US is hopeless. You should inform her that the sexism situation could be more hopeful in the US than it is in China.

          • Alex Dương

            I viewed her comment as oversimplified, just like I viewed your characterization of “Asian nationalists” as oversimplified. When prodded, both of you clarify your comments.

          • The problem is, Christina and I shouldn’t have to clarify our comments to you in the first place. You’re clearly hyper-sensitive and taking offense at the slightest opportunity. My explanation of pan-Asian nationalism to wnsk did not need to be “clarified”, but you somehow took offense to it anyway. Christina made a mildly optimistic remark complimenting Chinese social progress regarding racism and sexism, and you were offended enough to feel the need to add a disclaimer that sexism could be worse in the US.

          • Alex Dương

            The problem is, Christina and I shouldn’t have to clarify our comments to you in the first place.

            Which is why I said the following: “And sadly, the clarifications aren’t obvious. When Markus tried to say that we’re (Westerners and Chinese) basically all the same, lacompacida and Surfeit both immediately denied it. The two of them clearly prefer a dichotomous 0/1 view of the world.”

            My explanation of pan-Asian nationalism to wnsk did not need to be “clarified”, but you somehow took offense to it anyway.

            I consider myself pan-Asian insofar as I think old country tribal prejudices are stupid in and of themselves and especially so outside of Asia. So when you define “Asian nationalists” the way I define pan-Asianists, yeah, I’m going to be a bit offended because to me, you’re taking the defining characteristic of pan-Asianists and using it as the defining characteristic of “Asian nationalists,” when it’s not.

            The defining characteristic of “Asian nationalists” should be a belief in Asian supremacy, just like how it is for white nationalists and white supremacy.

            Like I told you, you basically chose the least offensive (and therefore least informative) characteristic of “Asian nationalism” as its defining attribute.

          • I’ve already told you that I wasn’t defining Asian nationalists; I was explaining how Asian nationalists can exist despite Asia not being a single nation. Seriously, we went over this yesterday; my last comment quoted wnsk asking something along the lines of, “How can there be Asian nationalists when Asia isn’t even a nation?”. The fact that you didn’t respond to that comment made it obvious to me that you were acknowledging my point; perhaps when you woke up this morning you forgot about how our discussion ended yesterday.

            I would say the same damn thing to someone asking, “How can there be white nationalists when white people don’t even belong to one nation?”. In fact, that’s literally also a point wnsk asked yesterday (or the day before; I don’t remember). He was doubtful that white nationalists can exist.

            I don’t have any clue which comments by Markus, lacompacida and Surfeit you’re referring to, and frankly, whatever comments those are have nothing to do with this discussion. If you want to criticize their comments, try doing so by responding to their comments.

          • Alex Dương

            I would say the same thing to someone asking, “How can there be white nationalists when white people don’t even belong to one nation?”.

            I know. That is why I kept referring to [insert group here] nationalism in my previous replies to you. And that is also why I mentioned the KKK as an example where your “explanation” would fail miserably: “the KKK is a pro-white organization.”

          • Again, you’re missing the point. I was not defining racial nationalism; I was explaining how it can conceptually exist in absence of a racial nation.

          • Alex Dương

            And as I said, the problem with your “explanation” is that you completely avoided the main belief of [insert group here] nationalism in favor of a (relatively) unoffensive side product of that belief. The main belief is that national identity and “race” are inseparable; having a “broader” view of “race” (while not being broad enough that all humans are of the same race) is really NOT the main point.

            You clearly disagree with me on this, which is totally fine. I was “offended” because I’m pan-Asian, and I don’t want to be lumped together with Asian supremacists, which I’m not. This discussion wouldn’t have happened if Probotector had been straightforward enough to just call me an “Asian supremacist” instead of an “Asian nationalist.”

          • I didn’t say Asian nationalists are Asian supremacists. I was invoking a very mild and neutral etymological reading of nationalism, interpreting it merely as an ideology advocating national identity and interests. I was not criticizing it, nor was I slandering pan-Asianists by citing pan-Asianism as a prerequisite element of pan-Asian nationalism.

            Anyway, it turned out Probotector was really just referring to nationalists who happen to be Asian (e.g., Chinese nationalists and Japanese nationalists) which makes this whole discussion somewhat pointless.

          • wnsk

            (No, I don’t remember literally asking that. I was just saying I reject so-called “white nationalists” are nationalists, as it seemed to me that they were just white supremacists, and using the word “nationalist” to make it sound less objectionable. But I did, and do, get where you’re coming from.)

          • …sorry, I just don’t see how you can be a nationalist without there even being a nation for you to be nationalistic about.

            http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/stories/microsoft-ends-support-for-windows-xp-chinese-reactions.html#comment-1333590717

          • wnsk

            Yeah, that was in reference to Asian nationalists, which you already mentioned I mentioned, and which I don’t deny, Um, never mind.

          • It applies to both, considering there is neither a single Asian nation nor a single white nation.

            (Sorry, I wouldn’t be re-treading this old topic if Alex hadn’t brought it up again.)

          • I consider myself pan-Asian insofar as I think old country tribal prejudices are stupid in and of themselves and especially so outside of Asia.

            This is an inherently disaporic ideology that has no relevance to the 99% of Asians who actually live in Asia, where countries like China, Japan, and Korea are not just “old countries”. chinaSMACK used to have a diaspora section where your distinctly Asian-American ideology might be more relevant, but I guess it’s been dead or inactive for quite some time.

            Anyway, I would encourage you to take your pan-Asianism one step further and embrace pan-Humanism, as the “old country tribal prejudices” can be applied to all humans, not just Asians.

          • whuddyasack

            I’m sidetracking a little, but you make some interesting comments. It is argued that you need to embrace each other before embracing learning to embrace others… and given the relationship between Asians back home, I think they need all the embracing they get, don’t you agree? If anything, the diasporic identity shows that it is possible to get along.

            This is an inherently disaporic ideology that has no relevance to the 99% of Asians who actually live in Asia

            Actually, this isn’t completely true. Yes, each ethnic group often touts the uniqueness of their “race” and nationalism separates Asians apart. There’s often prejudice and denying connections between the Asian countries but on a personal level, 99% of East Asians won’t deny that they are actually closer to each other on a genetic level than to any other racial grouping. A while back, Japan for instance was slammed as a racist country for broadcasting on national TV that “as Mongoloid people, their brains develop differently from other races and Japan’s lifestyle and diet was perfect for bringing up the Mongoloid race”. I could even give examples of quotes between the emperor and empress and foreign ministers in each of these countries.

            Also if you look at the foreign marriage data for East Asian countries, interracial marriages between other East Asians far outnumber those of any other race, White people included. I think deep down we are racially aware but as East Asia isn’t nearly as race-driven as the West and given the historical and geopolitical situation, race takes a backseat in politics.

            With that said, while there are those that hate, there are many more who long for better relationships. Many more.

          • Kai

            Wha? How does that get interpreted into her thinking racism/sexisn’t doesn’t exist in the US?

            I thought it just meant the reasonable comments among the prejudiced ones were reassuring to her? At most, I suppose one could argue that it reveals a cynicism in her with regards to racism/sexism in China but…

          • Alex Dương

            At most, I suppose one could argue that it reveals a cynicism in her with regards to racism/sexism in China but…

            As I told Matt, I might’ve been a bit unfair here in that I was nonplussed that when Markus Peg gave his opinion that we’re pretty much all the same, he immediately got pushback: “no, we aren’t!” Christina doesn’t appear to think the way lacompacida and Surfeit do.

          • Kai

            I understand what you mean about Markus Peg, lacompacida, and Surfeit. I’m not sure how you got Christina mixed up with them. As far as I can tell, she’s not responding to Markus? Her comment was its own top-level comment. I’m guessing you read her as a response to Markus somehow? If so, then I guess I understand the misunderstanding.

          • Alex Dương

            No, I knew she was making a separate comment, but I unfairly read it because my mind was still biased from a previous set of comments from Markus / lacompacida / Surfeit.

          • Kai

            Ah, okay, it’s good of you to acknowledge that. May need to acknowledge that clearly to christina though, since she’s the main victim of your mistake.

          • Alex Dương

            Sure thing.

        • Alex Dương

          I definitely read your comment (viz. the last sentence) unfairly. My apologies.

          • christina

            it happens to the best of us.
            no harm done :)

            p.s. kai/weiner/fauna, chinasmack has become much more civil since we started using moderators! good job. I disappeared for about a year because I couldn’t stand people like coalabanana who seemed to exist solely to troll others

          • mr.wiener

            de nada.

          • Kai

            Thanks, Christina, we’re trying our best and fellow mods mr.wiener and ace of books are doing a great job.

      • Dr Sun

        Alex, I really wonder what people base this “racism” in China on. I’ve lived here for many years, i’m married to a Chinese woman, I really have not seen or experienced racism towards me or us as a couple here in China anywhere near to the exstent we experienced while living in America.

        • Zappa Frank

          are you white?

          • Dr Sun

            would/does that question have any relevance in regard to the discrimination we endured in America ?

          • Zappa Frank

            not in America, but in china.
            because, for instance, i’m not American, but I guess that around Ozark I may be welcome and I can find people really friendly since i’m white.. not the same for a non-white maybe.
            The same in china, if you are Asian is pointless to say that in china they are not racist, how do you know it?

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      It is similar in other countries. I guess it depends how developed and how much migration there has been to the country. For example, the US, seeing mixed-race couple is more common than it is in China.

      The racism is pretty much down to ignorance. The state media spoon feeds them news, and bad news ususally makes big news (such as the rape). Both China and India have a shortage of women. And just as India has the caste system, China has its own system.

      • redbricks

        But in China, the Party blames all bad things on hairy, scheming Westerners or devious Japanese devils :)
        Repeat that hateful nonsense enough times and most people will think it’s true.

        • Dr Sun

          I dont know about that redbricks, Ive been watching western news media all my life, but I’m still not convinced those scheming Asians are to blame. I guess I’ll have to watch more CNN and Fox news to complete my brain washing.

    • Womanizer

      you definitly need a black dick to take off your stress

      • christina

        are you speaking from experience?

        • Surfeit

          BAM!

          • Guang Xiang

            RIGHT IN THE KISSER!

        • mr.wiener

          Owned madam, owned!

        • Nilerafter24

          BURRRRRRRRRNNNNN.
          Someone call the paramedics. This one is too brutal for cold water.

        • He needs to go see the burns dept at the local hospital asap! :-)

    • ideas

      reasonable comment….

    • Gordon Gogodancer

      Yeah, 2 or 3 reasonable comments amongst thousands of insecure prejudiced shit comments. The light of hope isn’t very bright i’m affraid

      • Kai

        Well, the above proportion isn’t 2/3 vs. thousands but anyway, the same was true in the West in the past. Somehow, people had hope and things got better. Don’t be discouraged.

        • whuddyasack

          This comment is what I’m talking about. And I think you’re giving him the benefit of the doubt which is understandable. Asians are by far the nicest people and the most willing to let go of perceived slights.

          People of an outer group choose to see the worst in another group whether deliberately or subconsciously. They’d prefer to generalize on silly examples, i.e. netizen comments as being proof that Chinese are “racists” and all round pessimist for reasons unknown yet if we were to do the same and base Caucasian racism on stuff like Kimmel defenders there’d be a hellstorm. Most Chinese are expected to also hold this self-defeating view of themselves while everyone else is allowed to believe that they are perfect, aren’t reflective and open to self criticism yada yada. I’ve actually seen much MORE Chinese that are reasonable, “liberal” and wiling to be fair about their own race than White people which is scary considering that in English speaking boards at least, Chinese netizens are outnumbered so significantly. In fact, there are more reasonable Chinese/East Asian people than everyone else put together.

          Yet, it’s very difficult to put my sentences together without sounding like a racist. I see that your philosophy is give and take, but sometimes, there is nothing left to give. I don’t know why I’m misunderstood as a racist sometimes, this is rarely my intention and I’ve stopped posting derogatory slurs. Actually, I have many White friends who I value greatly but sometimes feel obliged to defend my own race from attack. There used to be some guy who talked about tribalism/clannishness of non-Whites and how people take advantage of that. I just don’t see it, since IMO White people tend to be the most race-driven, clannish people of all especially expats. On the contrary, Asians especially Chinese bend over backwards and beat ourselves over even “mild” racism. I’ve noticed Japanese act the same way and if you want, I can email you examples of such. I’m just tired of our people being taken advantage in such a way.

          How I wished you weren’t discouraged over stuff on the internet and took things with a grain of salt. I wished you were more sly on reading the interpretations of people as well. Case in point, you actually made a mistake about the “common oppression” argument with probotector earlier. He was more correct in that case, common heritage defines how close I feel with others and not common oppression, which is an unfortunate byproduct of the latter.

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Wow, you said all this because of my 2 line comment? I was simply making a comment about something related to this specific article and to the comment i was replying to and was not really thinking as far as you might assume. But obviously, you got it all figured out so congrats to you :D

          • whuddyasack

            Now now, Gordon it actually has a lot less to do with your 2 line comment than you think. It’s more of an example of a much larger attitude that I’ve noticed amongst most expat communities. Stick to reproducing figments of your imagination pleeze, including getting that most beautiful Chinese girl you never actually got. ;-)

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            That most beautiful girl i never actually got? Wow…what the hell are you talking about? Are you actually referring to my girlfriend i mentioned in another comment? me having that “most beautiful girlfriend” offended you in anyway?
            Geez, if that’s what really bothering you then i don’t know what to say… it’s like my first year of learning Chinese and meeting Chinese male students all over again, by that i mean that feeling like your being accused of a crime for having a girlfriend.
            That actually makes me think of that English guy who just arrived in Chengdu and after 2 days here a newly met chinese guy told him ” don’t date Chinese girls…you’ll just break their hearts” to what he of course replied “well i’ll just stay single then now shall i”…poor fucker, the guy just arrived and he’s already made to feel like he’s some kind of criminal.

          • whuddyasack

            Gogo boots, that was a tongue-in-cheek comment and I was simply picking on you. If you read my comment carefully, I don’t believe you so how can I be “bothered” if I think your full of hot air in the first place? Like I said, comprehension is not really your forte, daydreaming is. Most Chinese don’t cock block so directly but nice try there. I’ve heard Korean uncles do that sort of thing for good reason though, so I think you’ve got the wrong ethnicity.

            For the record, you and 007 are free to date all the Chinese girls you wish. I’ve got no issues with that. The ball is on your court. Can you date the “most beautiful” hahaha?

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Will do so, good day to you sir and thanks for your blessings.

          • whuddyasack

            No problemo. It’s nice that you have manners ;-) Now go out and spread the love son!

          • Gordon Gogodancer

            Yes, I’ve probably already have enough chinese sons ( that i don’t know of naturally) that i could actually create a new ethnic minority and eventually overpower the Han and rule China

          • whuddyasack

            Hahaha, sure you have. Unless you’re Genghis Khan himself, a guy can dream. I’m don’t believe in shattering dreams of course XD

          • Probotector

            ” don’t date Chinese girls…you’ll just break their hearts”

            I guess that’s the Chinese at their most reasonable then.

          • Kai

            I don’t have the shamelessness to say things like “Asians are by far the nicest people and the most willing to let go of perceived slights.” That’s way too self-aggrandizing for me. You might as well be a white person claiming white people are by far the most civilized and enlightened people.

            I don’t think you should generalize your subjective observations of racial “reasonableness”. You need to question if you’re seeing and remembering what you want to see.

            Yet, it’s very difficult to put my sentences together without sounding like a racist.

            Try not seeing and expressing everything in terms of race. Focus on the behaviors themselves instead of identities.

            I don’t know why I’m misunderstood as a racist sometimes, this is rarely my intention and I’ve stopped posting derogatory slurs.

            I don’t know why you never connected your nonchalance about using derogatory slurs with being “misunderstood as a racist”.

            He was more correct in that case, common heritage defines how close I feel with others and not common oppression, which is an unfortunate byproduct of the latter.

            Then you’re an outlier, and I feel sorry for you. I don’t know of any other modern Asian that feels any meaningful racial identification with Native Americans. I’m sure they exist, because you do, but I’ll go on the record in saying people of that sort are an exception to the rule that I advanced in incredulity to Probotector’s silly reach of an accusation against you.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          Yes indeed, i made this comment as an expression of exasperation and a bit of “these poor nerds make me laugh” at the same time. Of course i was exaggerating about the ratio :D I happen to also think Chinese people are quite nice in many circumstances but things get sensitive and awkward when any topic concern girls and in which case most Chinese people that i have met or heard about become very extreme in their ideas.

          • don mario

            yea, its true. i take issue with their attitude towards women and women dating foriegners because

            they have it pretty good anyway. much better than we do.
            chinese men can date chinese women without that much trouble. they can even get women above their level. they don’t need to put too much effort into it, they don;t need to do all the annoying things we have to do back home to get a date..

            if they had to live in the west and date only western girls and they treated women the way they do in china they would never ever get a date…. so yeah, chinese guys. i know it seems tough and you need a house and car and all that stuff to impress women, and white guys seem to be having an easy time with your girls. but trust me, you guys have it good and have it pretty cushdy compared to western guys.

      • whuddyasack

        Yet one comment completely contradicts your pseudo analysis based on netizen comments.

        “This might invite scorn from “upright gentlemen” [fairer-minded people],
        but this is indeed how I feel.”

        Which implies that there are sufficient anti-racist Chinese out there who oppose vile racism. And that’s my experience, most Chinese would condemn it rather than endorse it, this article not withstanding.

        Christina’s points rings true, and hope is a beautiful thing. It’s pathetic to actually deflate it because of your own personal bias and whatever reason you’re so “discouraging”. Why, did some Chinese snatch the girl of your dreams away from you? Because that’s exactly how you sound. So go ahead and tout the insecurity and prejudice of others while oozing with insecurity yourself.

        • Gordon Gogodancer

          interesting how it sounds like your talking to yourself

    • Reptilian

      Maybe in 30 years, yes.

  • death_by_ivory

    Good luck to them.Even he is not my cup of tea,he is pretty good looking and she is cute too.She is going to live in India so I doubt she cares what some commentators write on Chinese websites.

  • fabulous

    Third photo down; black jacket; red collared shirt.
    You can’t tell me that you wouldn’t let him roti your prata.

    • Kai

      Hah, if i had a prata, I’d agree. He’s a good looking man.

  • diverdude7

    Indians eat people.

    • Surfeit

      This is the best comment.

      • diverdude7

        Thank you. I try hard. :-p

      • YourSupremeCommander

        better than long dong gong’s comment

  • Freddi BuBu

    Sad to say as I am Chinese but surely there are better looking Indian ladies out there…..!

    • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

      There probably are. There are probably better looking Chinese women out there too. But it isn’t just the looks one goes for. I mean, it may have attracted him (we do see beauty differently afterall) but I am sure there are other things that make them want to marry/have a relationship.

  • wnsk

    What I’m curious to know is…why did the Indian want to marry her?

    • Zappa Frank

      well this is a question that can be asked to any married man.. a reasonable hypothesis may be that they knew each other in university, I remember, for instance, in Nantong was full of Indians, and not so few had affairs with chinese

  • Zappa Frank

    are we sure the indian is rich? car and locations clothes seem so cheap

    • wnsk

      EDIT: OK I read the Chinese, and it feels like there is a hint of sarcasm. (Or maybe not, since my grasp of Mandarin isn’t exactly perfect.)

      • Zappa Frank

        so the mining is more or less.. she married an indian and he’s not even rich..?

        • wnsk

          In my estimation, yes. But it’s hard to say for sure of course.

          In any case, we’re all more interested in the comments aren’t we.

    • Surfeit

      Tim Martin (JD Weatherspoon) carries his possessions in a carrier bag.

    • Irvin

      “rich” is relative, what’s rich in india maybe poor in china.

    • HarryMohan

      hI Zappa,
      The groom is not rich even by Indian standards. Rich Indians have similar lifestyle as that of west. If in doubt travel to India and live in upscale localities in Delhi or Bombay and not cheap hippy places.

      • Zappa Frank

        I don’t have any doubts that in india there are many many rich people.. that’s why I was surprised to read that ‘Chinese woman marries a rich indian man’ while he doesn’t seem rich..

        • Guang Xiang

          what better way than to fuel the flames

        • One for all

          He’s rich compared to the average Chinese person :D

    • hess

      Exactly my thought, that van makes my car look like a rolls royce..

  • Cameron

    Racism and prejudice is extremely unpleasant and born of ignorance and a misplaced sense of national pride usually. In China’s case it’s always tempting to think of some deep and complex cultural or historical for racism and stereotypes of foreigners.

    But realistically the reason for it is that the vast vast majority of Chinese have never had a proper conversation with a foreigner, let alone spent much time abroad.

    And because there are Chinese people all over the world, and most Chinese tend to be fairly shy and reserved, of those who do stay abroad for some time, the majority tend to stick with other Chinese people rather than trying to make local friends. Going abroad in itself is not the answer – you have to go with a open mind and heart.

    Of course, lets also not forget the state media’s part in spreading simplistic and largely negative reporting of other countries – ingraining preconceptions that even three years of overseas studies may fail to remove.

    • Surfeit

      Aww, my Chinese friends in the States are well cool. I think there are more complexities for sure.

      • MonkeyMouth

        remember in that movie Gran Torino where clint eastwood gives his neighbour the car and says…’ just dont put a fucking spoiler on it’..? ..i think its symbolic

        • Surfeit

          I haven’t seen that movie, so I have no idea what you mean.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you’re missing out, great movie!

          • Surfeit

            I know, right?! Watched Leon last night. GT is next!

    • Kai

      Yeah, exposure helps but integration helps more. It’s not uncommon for recent immigrants to not integrate and stick with what they’re familiar with, but following generations often do successfully.

      I think the racism and prejudice in this specific case has less to do with state media and more to do with male insecurity.

      • whuddyasack

        Kai, I wonder if you see anything wrong with this? Chinese are accused of sticking to their own whenever it’s convenient… and trying too hard to fit in when they don’t.

        Don’t you think we’re stretched to the limit already. You just can’t win no matter what you do. If you try too hard to integrate, it’s always ulterior motives, self-esteem issues or lack of pride in your culture. Case in point, the supposed myth that C-girls prefer non-Asians to their own, which is hardly the case based on statistics. They get accused of being gold diggers, traitors and are attacked by BOTH Asian and non-Asian men over this. Their called twinkies if they choose to integrate too much.

        Yet when they choose to stick with their own or hang out with ONLY Asians, much less Chinese, they get accused as being clannish and “racist”.

        BTW, I agree with you that the racism and prejudice in this case has an element of male insecurity but I also agree with Cameron on one point. It’s a combination of factors. The majority of netizens reacting vehemently to this article (mainly males too) is a result of the negative portrayal of India in recent memory such as the gang rape incident and the article on the filthiness of India.

        That is why you get a comment whereby one netizen openly express that s/he’d rather the Chinese girl marry a Japanese or an American.

        P.S. I hope my posts this time are not too inflammatory.

  • Mighty曹

    I’m really interested in knowing how they met. Perhaps they were classmates in a foreign school or met by chance during travel? This article makes it appear as though she just left China to marry a rich Indian man.

    • MonkeyMouth

      she just went shopping one day and……

      • Mighty曹

        High end shopping center or discount outlets?

  • Subhajit Ghosh

    India and China two beautifull greatest country, the oldest culture from all aspects, each has the right to love and to marry his or her love one maybe from anywhere of the world, we should need to see the positive aspect of the people, i saw that here more made various bad comments about India but they donot know what about they telling, each country has their own culture and own aspects likely by which hand they eating or which river water they drink etc., also should need to know that each country has poor and rich poeple, no any country can be seen without poor people, what about poor or rich……we are human, it is our identity, should need to respect each other and no one here came to live forever, one day each will go from this world, so should need to make this world too beautifull by the work to whom we know, should need to help other who are backward, should need to see the positivity into other, should need to learn from other only the good things and need to destory the bad things, all country are great and all country people are great, if you have good intention then do something good for this world without criticizing.

    • Mighty曹

      Namaste…

      • Subhajit

        Namaste Dear Brother, Glad too much, Thanking You.

        • Mighty曹

          तुम्हारा स्वागत है my hindi brethren. You are right, we should always ‘see the positive’.

          • Subhajit

            Yes, dear brother we should to see the positive and need to eleminate the negative.

          • Subhajit

            You also welcome dear brother, i support your idea.

          • Mighty曹

            Yes, peace, my dear brother.

  • YourSupremeCommander

    Using a mini van as the fuckin limo for the wedding AIN’T rich.

    • MonkeyMouth

      and probably a RENTAL as well!

  • HarryMohan

    Hi Guys, I am an Indian and seeing the pictures of groom’s family. I don’t think so they are rich, may be burgeoning upper middle class. Most Rich Indians have equal lifestyle as west, if they were rich he should have alteast Mercedes E class or BMW 5 series or Audi A6.

    Looks more of a love thingy than a materialistic one. If she would have been materialistic she would have married some old fat white guy.

    • Mighty曹

      But the rich here drive S class, 7 series, or A8. Looks like India’s rich is still one level down.

      I agree that it does look like a real ‘love’. That’s why I’m interested in knowing how they met.

      • HarryMohan

        You are correct but from my observation when I was in Delhi last year, newly rich/ 1st Generation have above mentioned cars which I said. Those who are wealthy have cars which you described but of course you won’t see as many as in China.

        • Mighty曹

          Oh let me clarify, I was referring here as the West (in the States. But you’re right, China is now one of the top luxury cars importer. Anyway, let’s hope we’re both right about their ‘love’.

          • HarryMohan

            It’s easier and cheaper to buy luxury cars in States than in India where Govt levy 120% import tax, for example a BMW 525 cost $92,000 in India which is way too much for a typical Indian and also financing is not easy in India unlike States. You gotta be really rich in order to buy these cars. Where as in States, any new graduate software engineer has a BMW 3 or 5 series of course one with easy finance options.

          • YourSupremeCommander

            Here as long as you have a job you can drive away a new 3 series for $300/mo.

          • Mighty曹

            Plus a good credit rating/history.

          • Mighty曹

            That’s true. Cars here cost far less and affordable. The import tax is also true for of most Asian countries. I was merely responding to your original statement regarding the “equal lifestyle as west”.

      • redbricks

        The Indian guy’s not wealthy if his wedding car is a Toyota van. I’d expect a big Jaguar, an S600 or 750iL to be used if he was rich. Or a bloody Gulfstream, for that matter. The rich in India (and China) really are super rich.
        Then again, I think it really is a marriage for love. If both bride and groom can accommodate each other’s cultural baggage and deal with it well, why not? All the best to them and a big middle finger to racist, sexist commenters up in the main article.

        • Mighty曹

          That’s why I wish the article provides more detail other than simply just painting her as a gold digger who’s willing to marry outside her ethnicity. Contrary to the headline I don’t see she “shows off her luxurious life”. The photos depict a happy couple with supportive family members/friends. I wish them the best.

          • Kai

            Joe said the OP was basically trolling Tiexue, and more or less succeeded.

          • Mighty曹

            Who’s ‘Joe’?

          • mr.wiener

            The guy who translated the article.

          • Kai

            The guy who translated this post. See under title.

          • Mighty曹

            Oh that Joe. lol

    • Guang Xiang

      From an outside perspective, I agree that the groom doesn’t seem like A-level wealthy and that the descriptor is mostly used only to sensationalize the article. The rich and wealthy, regardless of nationality, all seem to follow a familiar Western style of lavishness.

      • hess

        “The rich and wealthy, regardless of nationality, all seem to follow a familiar Western style of lavishness.” Nah man, try Norway, Denmark or Sweden where the law of Jante is strong.

        • Guang Xiang

          Law of Jante.. you learn something everyday.

          hah, those Scandinavian countries has always been at a different level. Like their prisons for example.

  • MonkeyMouth

    You had me at ‘Who says Indians are all poor cunts’
    and the comments…wow….how frikkin ignorant. Ya, watch out white women, these little dudes want your hand in marriage to ‘add to the gene pool’…LOL

  • Olrik

    If he’s nice to her and they are happy, it is really nobodies business but theirs…

  • mr.wiener

    Well….I’m unhappily prediction a bunch of Indian v Chinese flame wars on this on that will rival the “filthy Ganges” story.

    • whuddyasack

      Yeah I just blinked and suddenly there are over 500 comments already. Chindian/Ina stories are BIG in CSmack. Apparently…

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    My time in India, I didn’t see as many people shitting and pissing as I have done in my time in China.

    The toilets though are eqaully bad.

  • lonetrey / Dan

    Not… entirely related to the article at hand, but I just wanted to note that there are a lot of controversial comments here.

    What happened to downvoting? I can’t seem to find a single downvote anywhere, and it’s scaring me a little. *gets downvoted to -100*

    • About a month ago, Disqus made downvotes invisible. You know how traumatizing downvotes are––it was a necessary measure to protect our fragile self-esteems. We are grateful to Brother Disqus for keeping us safe.

  • Womanizer

    THIS IS MY HERDING GROUND I REJOICE ON PAIN

    • mr.wiener

      This is more or less an admission of trolling.

      • Zappa Frank

        is there any troll-zu among the 56 Chinese ethnicities?

        • mr.wiener

          Trolls come from everywhere.

  • Womanizer

    LET’S CREATE A HOMOGEOUS SOCIETY AND KEEP 华夏 FOR HAN

    • Zappa Frank

      only for at least 1.8m tall and with a 40cm arm size of han.. a society of super-han

      • Alex Dương

        Regression to the mean ;)

  • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

    They (the Chinese women) look quite good in the salwar kameez.

  • moldavidian

    It’s more socially acceptable in China to pretend to be happy when you’re rich than to be rich and miserable.

  • Rick in China

    I really truly think this is an insulting parody type story, there is nothing ‘rich’ about any of the images they’re posting. It reeks of an attempt to insult Indians and those who are with them.

  • Gomer

    Not surprised with the racist comments from the original Chinese netizen posters. What this woman does with her life is her business.

  • JSXV

    WHAT THE HELL? I cannot believe (although i should) how many ridiculously racist comments are on here! The fact that the story opens with the word ‘cunts’ is absolutely despicable.

  • Dr NO

    Why is this even a piece of news? oh well..

    • Surfeit

      It isn’t news.

  • Gordon Gogodancer

    “Congratulations to the bride, you now have to freedom to shit and piss wherever you please!” Best comment so far, and i’m not sure the guy realizes how ironic it is

    • Surfeit

      Fuckin A.

  • sime

    I like this site. It’s good to read free English chat on China issues. I joined just to comment on this article. Can the English translators please stop using the word “cunt” it’s vile and derogatory and used by those with little or no education and it’s used far too freely on this site and in the incorrect context as seen in this article.

    Ref. this article . Judging by the photos i.e the car and buildings, this Indian guy is not flaunting wealth and doesn’t particularly look rich . He’s just making an effort to have a decent wedding. Furthermore, he and his bride look happy, so give them a break.

    • wnsk

      Are you suggesting that it is an incorrect translation, or recommending that the translators censor/euphemise offensive words?

      • sime

        I can’t comment on the translation as I’m not Chinese but my point is that any translation should be in context and meet the spirit of the original text. I sincerely hope that Joe the writer did not mean what the English translation states otherwise the guy has a problem

        • 傻屄 or SB means just “cunt”.
          This is nothing the writer exaggerates.

          • sime

            I believe 穷逼 means extremely poor not “poor cunt” therefore my point stands and translation needs to be improved. Speak as one wishes to be spoken to. If kids or teens start picking up these words and think them acceptable to use generally then there is going to be a lot of unnecessary fights going on out there. Now, I may not necessarily like the article but there is nothing bad to say about the writer.

          • Joe

            傻逼 means stupid cunt not extremely stupid, this is a issue of standardization across translations. Perhaps cunt comes off as more offensive in english but it’s common usage in Chinese.
            EDIT: , in fact it can even be positive like 牛逼, 穷逼 in this instance is no different from calling someone a “broke ass”, I would refrain from applying political correctness of the C word to China.

          • Surfeit

            ‘Perhaps cunt comes off as more offensive in English.’

            I think that must be the case, but I also think the degree of distaste differs greatly. I’ll call my friends a cunt, and they won’t get hissy about it. Where I come from, it’s no big deal. I know places where it’s used frequently just to describe a stranger, without it being downright offensive. “Who’s that cunt?” Literally comes across as “Who is he?” As mr.wiener intimated, Northern Americans don’t like it at all. That boggles my mind!

          • sime

            Joe, the original text quotes 穷逼 not 傻逼 that you are referring to.

            In any case if you are talking about 傻逼 and ‘cunt’, they are not like for like translation – while they refer to the same bodily part, the two terms carry very different nuances in normal society of their respective languages (unless you are from the outback as Sufeit appears to be ;-).

          • Joe

            Yes but the term 穷逼 in common usage is not as offensive in Chinese as in English. Take for example, you can call someone a “broke ass” or a “bad ass”,(same word completely connotations), if the word ‘ass’ is extremely offensive in another language would it prevent people from using it?

          • sime

            Joe, exactly my point is that the English version does not faithfully represent the Chinese version and as you have just stated yourself the English translation is more offensive than the Chinese original.

          • wnsk

            What would you suggest as replacement though?

          • sime

            Cheers ! for getting my point – probably – fools , losers, idiots something along those lines that’s less offensive but meets the intent of the writer.
            Although, I still dont see why a racist generalization needed to be made in this article. I love this site but the racism is really widespread and sad to read sometimes. It needs some better moderation.

          • mr.wiener

            We tread the fine line between letting the fuck-knuckle racist twats rule the roost, or making it an desert of PC censorship.
            IF YA DON’T LIKE IT THEN…………..soooowy.

          • sime

            yeah I don’t agree with any form of censorship and I’m looking forward to pounding some serial racists here.

          • Insomnicide

            On news sites catered towards specific countries, I guess racism is to be expected. It’s nice that CS doesn’t just automatically filter anything not family friendly. You shouldn’t counter racism with authoritarian censorship, but rather reasoning and well written arguments.

          • wnsk

            I agree with you, whilst also noting the tricky nature of translation and of moderation.

          • Insomnicide

            Pussy, axe wound, beaver, clam, cooch, muff, hole, honey pot, lady flower, meat curtains, poon, slot machine, dragon’s lair, wizard’s sleeve, twat, vag, va-jay-jay, whipering eye.

            Take your pick.

          • 穷 = poor
            逼 = homophone for the vulgar 屄, which means “cunt”

            In other words, 穷逼 = 穷屄 = poor cunt

            The translation is accurate and needn’t be changed. The netizen simply used a homophone in place of a vulgar character (屄) that is rarely used.

          • wnsk

            I get where sime is coming from though. The Chinese guy used a euphemism to lessen the impact of the vulgarity.

            When I read the translated article, I did feel a sense of shock and discomfort at the word, “cunt”, but this does not come off as strongly when I read the Mandarin (probably because I’m not a regular user of Mandarin, but all the same 逼 does not literally mean “female genitalia”, as “cunt” literally does.)

            I don’t know what’s the alternative, but something like “Who says Indians are all poor twats?” somehow seems less objectionable to me for some reason (even though, yeah, twat is literally equivalent to cunt.) *shrug*

        • wnsk

          I think Joe is the translator, not the writer of the article.

    • mr.wiener

      It was already a pretty vile comment in and of itself. If you are American or Canadian I can understand your disgust at this word [more than English or Australian readers] But the spirit in which it was used pretty much matches its use in the translated Chinese on Tiexue.

      • Surfeit

        Do northern Americans have a heightened distaste for the word? Damn, I had no idea!

    • FYIADragoon

      That depends on which version of English you subscribe to. And censoring the words in the article doesn’t make much sense. And from the viewpoint of an English speaker who actually does speak Chinese, you don’t literally translate every word when you’re doing a translation.

      • Surfeit

        ‘which version of English you subscribe to’. I like that. I’m often quite righteous about language without considering the intricate understandings.

      • Kai

        We don’t always either but we do generally try to stick as close to the original as we can in both content and tone, precisely because HOW something is expressed is often as interesting as WHAT was expressed. The usage of “cunt” in Chinese is notable.

    • Surfeit

      I’m going to go right ahead and say this, without meaning a word of it.

      ‘Shut up you boring cunt.’

  • ideas

    seriously… i think some of the comments are really stupid… reasonable people should post reasonable comments.. what has someone’s marriage got to do with you… i think some of the people posting stupid comments can’t even find boyfriend or girlfriends.. as if that is not a big issue for them…leave the beautiful marired woman alone..

  • tiramusu

    why all of you accuse only chinese woman,there are also a large number of men who sleep.with rich women for money,the men and the women are of the same equality.

  • FYIADragoon

    I can’t imagine why any woman would want to go to a country where rape is such a problem that they had to make a special court just to handle it more expediently….But if money gets your rocks off…

    • IsurvivedChina

      you act as if rape does not happen in China!

      • whuddyasack

        It does, but it doesn’t happen so frequently. Remember, China has far lower rape rates than most occidental countries while India stands as the rape capital of the world.

        • IsurvivedChina

          or it doesn’t get reported as frequently..

          • whuddyasack

            That’s a likely excuse, but tell me why then does Japan, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, HK all spout lower rape rates than Europe and North America? Why do East Asians living in Western countries invariably have lower rates of rape than every other race? BTW, Caucasian males make up a bulk of rape in the States (I believe it was 70%) and many more get away with it. Unreported!

          • IsurvivedChina

            please don’t tell me you’re quoting Wikipedia again, it’s hard to take you seriously when you do that! LOL

          • Boris_Da_Bengal_Tiger

            Since people are using wikipedia:

            “Statistics on rape and other sexual assaults are commonly available in advanced countries and are becoming more common throughout the world. Inconsistent definitions of rape, different rates of reporting, recording, prosecution and conviction for rape create controversial statistical disparities, and lead to accusations that many rape statistics are unreliable or misleading.”

            Then we have this on the China section:

            “The United Nations Multi-country Study on Men and Violence asked men in urban and rural areas of China if they had ever forced a female to have sex. 22.2% said yes. 9.3% had done so in the past year. 55% of the men who had raped had done so more than once and 9% had raped four or more women. 86% cited sexual entitlement as their motive (the highest percentage in the study) and 57% answered that they raped out of boredom. 72.4% experienced no legal consequences. 1.7% had raped another man. 2.2% had participated in gang rape. 25% who had raped reported first doing so as a teenager, the lowest percentage in the study. 53.7% of men and 53.5% of women agreed or strongly agreed with the statement ‘if a woman doesn’t physically fight back, it’s not rape.'”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#China

            Anyway, if you were the compare the laws and how forth coming people are about rape in a country it does give a better picture of why a country may have more reported cases than another. For example, Sweden has the highest rate, but their laws are also ‘broader’ when it comes to the definition of rape compared to other nations. For a comparison to work, we would need the same laws, definition and also the same willingness from the populace to come forward. Otherwise the comparison is meaningless.

            So your questions “Why then does Japan, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, HK all spout lower rape rates than Europe and North America? Why do East Asians living in Western countries invariably have lower rates of rape than every other race?” are tricky to answer.

            What do each nation count/culture/community count as rape? How willing are people in coming forward to report rape in said countries or communities when they are based overseas? How do the people within the country/culture/community react to a member who has been raped? and there are possibly other questions we need to answer before we can even get an answer to your questions.

            And since a bulk of rape goes unreported, we have no idea how much is unreported in ANY nation.

          • whuddyasack

            Anyway, if you were the compare the laws and how forth coming people are about rape in a country it does give a better picture of why a country may have more reported cases than another.

            As we can see in the following article:
            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/19/study-sexual-assaults-greatly-underreported-/3648197/ it would still be irrelevant because rape is a crime that would always be under-reported no matter what thus I prefer to stick to hard data. The correct approach would be to change attitudes as to eliminate it all together which I don’t see happening anytime soon. The US still has 20 times the rape rate of China, and Sweden has upward of 30 times.

            What do each nation count/culture/community count as rape?

            That is a good question. But the thing is it is not just one or two East Asian nations having the same record. And these nations themselves have different cultures, living standards and political inclinations. What I see is a clear pattern. Hence why I included the East Asians living in the West because then, at least reporting would be semi-consistent.

          • Zappa Frank

            read the statistic why an idea before and you make them say something that actually they are not saying would be an answer. this story of rape rate has been already discussed something like 100 times here on CS

          • whuddyasack

            Well, not nearly as often as the all Chinese men have mistresses, beat their wives, treat women like crap, are friggin racist etc that’s been repeated ad nauseam. The difference is that with the rape statistics, there are at least statistics to back them up while the random generalizations of Chinese have none.

          • Zappa Frank

            yes this is true.
            from my point of view anyway Chinese people do not treat their women worse than anyone else.

          • whuddyasack

            And wa-la. That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along.

        • IsurvivedChina

          you have statistics to back up that claim?

          • whuddyasack

            Of course I do. I’m not the typical shanghaiist commenter who sprouts all their information from their backsides. Rape rates per 100,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics):

            China – 2.85 (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Ef2YyMNEG3AC&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=rate+rape+in+china+per+100,000&source=bl&ots=lM8YYvu_ht&sig=8XwWn-WQGkYT0LW-U5djp-DvRus&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ayqgUp7ZB6iyiQe77oHADg&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=rate%20rape%20in%20china%20per%20100%2C000&f=false)
            Japan- 1.0
            HK- 1.6
            Sweden- 64
            US – 27.3
            UK – 28.8

            Oh and in India we have this: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/15-month-old-toddler-raped-in-south-delhi-1-held/article1-1152090.aspx

            Funny I can find similar examples of this depravity amongst Caucasians of all types but never amongst Chinese and over East Asians. committing a crime.

          • IsurvivedChina

            yeah because wikipedia is the source of all things truthful… HERE’S MY LINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_China Have a read~

            In retort to your link about the baby in the hindu times; I believe the abuse of any child is horrible.. so here’s another link I thought you may like… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfhXYBemBSg

            and one more.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10467413/Security-guard-on-trial-in-China-for-hundreds-of-rapes.html

          • whuddyasack

            IsurvivedChina, are you really that thick? I can’t believe you’re even attempting to challenge me…

            yeah because wikipedia is the source of all things truthful…

            That’s because the data here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics comes from official statistics based on national data/police records. A lot of it is actually based of data/research from the UN.

            HERE’S MY LINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R… Have a read~

            I prefer actual data official sources to obscure studies such as the US Bureau of Justice Statistics. And with that, you basically shot yourself in the foot.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States#cite_note-cbsnews.com-1

            According to your post, the US government states China has 30,000 rapes in a year. According to mine, “nearly 90,000 people reported being raped in the United States in 2008”. But as we all know, China has 5 times the population of the US. Thus, the US has effectively 450,000 rapes a year vs China’s 30,000. BIG DIFF!

            Note also in the US “there is an arrest rate of 25%”

            Britain has 85,000 even with a much smaller population than both BTW. How does the sound of getting OWNED sound like haha?

            In retort to your link about the baby in the hindu times

            Random youtube videos? Suuure dudette.

            http://www.mibba.com/Articles/World/2049/Mother-Tortures-Daughter-To-Teach-Her-Manners/

            “But prosecutors said Kimberly had done nothing to save her daughter, even after the many times Riley had said ‘I love you’ as she was being beaten.”

          • IsurvivedChina

            DUDE, wikipedia is an open source, do you know what that means? It means even I can go on and doctor a page to suite my ideals… that’s why I mock any one who quotes wikipedia! If you want some credibility in your claims stop using wikipedia as a source for your facts… LOL any university grad will tell you that!

            I’m not challenging you but when you sit there and conjure irrelevant facts (and by irrelevant I mean to the story above) to proclaim your righteousness it makes me laugh when I see wikipedia links. It’s just a thought!

            Oh and that last “wiki” link you provided about rapes in the US, they must be doing something right, because the rate of rape in the US has been dropping significantly since 1973.. in case you didn’t see it here’s the link LOL…

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rapes_per_1000_people_1973-2003.jpg

          • whuddyasack

            I thought you said you were “anti-bullshit”? Tsk, tsk. After all, it was you who asked for statistics. Not my problem you got owned. There’s a lot of irrelevant stuff mentioned in this thread, and you’re not the best example of relevance yourself referencing to this article here:

            http://shanghaiist.com/2014/04/18/man-sues-shanghai-matchmaking-agency-over-runaway-vietnamese-bride.php

            That’s your problem. You need to look past “wikipedia” and on the actual sources of those documents. You are challenging facts when you continue to resist them, despite being proven wrong and shooting yourself in the foot. Of course the USBS is official, that’s why I made the comparison here:

            According to your post, the US government states China has 30,000 rapes in a year. According to mine, “nearly 90,000 people reported being raped in the United States in 2008”. But as we all know, China has 5 times the population of the US. Thus, the US has effectively 450,000 rapes a year vs China’s 30,000. BIG DIFF!

          • IsurvivedChina

            I rest my case… lol

          • whuddyasack

            And I rest mine. Checkmate!

          • IsurvivedChina

            competitive little man aren’t you! LOL

          • whuddyasack

            Not quite as little as you and not quite as shriveled down there, if ya know what I mean ;-)

          • IsurvivedChina

            you’re like a bad date that won’t take a hint!

          • IsurvivedChina

            says the asian who hides behind a computer,..LOL

          • whuddyasack

            Tsk, tsk. Pushed some buttons, didn’t I? Course I did. Always remember that you’re just a hairy behind a computer, making lewd, offensive generalizations behind a computer, and protesting the CCP behind a computer haha.

          • IsurvivedChina

            stick and stones may break my bones.. mummy is calling little wumao now rush off before you get in trouble!

          • Probotector

            “Funny I can find similar examples of this depravity amongst Caucasians of all types but never amongst Chinese and over East Asians. committing a crime.”

            So? Are you implying Caucasian people ‘of all types’ (what’s ‘of all types’ mean btw? Blondes/brunettes/and redheads? wtf?) have a racial commitment to rape?

            I thought you said “I’ve stopped posting derogatory slurs”.

          • whuddyasack

            Caucasians as in Iranians, Indians, Pakistanis, Russians, Arabs, etc. How’s that a slur BTW? If I used a racial insult, then that would be slurring. That’s just my opinion since I don’t think there are any Asian cultures practicing bride burnings and honor rapings/killings. Do you?

    • Kai

      You’re joking right? I wouldn’t have expected you to buy into the “married for money” red herring here.

  • redbricks

    That’s a load of racism and sexism up in the linked comments. Chinese women can’t marry foreigners but men can? And what’s with the mega dose of Han chauvinism? I wonder if some Chinese men get jealous because they can’t find Chinese women while this rich, handsome Indian bloke could.

    For the record, most Indians and people in Southeast Asia eat with the right hand, while “dirty” things are done with the left hand. If Chinese think eating with hands is dirty, I wonder what Indians think of diners dipping their individual chopsticks into communal dishes.
    I wish the bride and groom the best so they can show their fellow comrades (plenty of chauvinist pigs and bigots in China and India) that a cross-cultural marriage can work. And their kids will probably be cute too :)

  • 420mao

    Last month I read in a paper that an Indian man killed his white wife in India. He was a rishaw driver and she was probably a stoner backpacking India, came across this riskshaw driver who probably helped her score some crazy ass weed or something. They get married and live together. But this guy couldn’t stand his wife talking to other men and bitched her off a couple of times. Later he came home and shot the bitch down and then shot himself. End of a happy multicultural marriage.
    Look it up online.

  • Jaejoong’sWife

    To all those talking about females being below the males in India, it doesn’t necessarily works that way. My dad is Arabian (arabian usually also has the same mindset), but he totally cowers out when it comes to my mom. I know most still practice such beliefs (like females should only stay at home and entertain their husband), but not all works that way. She chose him over all the other guys she had ever encountered, surely he has his own charm, and she definitely know what she had gotten herself into.

    Anyway, hope they lead a happy marriage. LOL.

  • Foreign Devil

    I don’t know if I’ve seen an Indian/Chinese mixed child. Should look interesting. Maybe very nice?

  • Kai

    Yeah, unless this netizen is incredibly sheltered, this sounds like a case of conveniently forgetting something that is arguably impossible to forget.

  • Kai

    Why should we be ashamed? It’s a translation of the original Chinese text and we did it faithfully.

  • It wasn’t supposed to be funny; it was supposed to be an accurate translation, and it is. If you want to reprimand the people who made the racist comments, go do so on Tiexue, not chinaSMACK. You’ll have to do it in Chinese, btw.

  • 나비

    Chinese men worried about chinese women marrying foreigners? Well dudes bring youre A game to foreign women, Russia has a surplus of gorgeous blonds.

    • Rick in China

      Russian women – notorious for being insane passionate powerful scrappers who have survived a lot of shit and aren’t going to take shit from anyone.

      Chinese men – notorious for being complacent oppressed and obedient, playing the victim card constantly.

      Match made in heaven. Return of the Amazon Kingdom, if I do say so myself. :D

      • Mighty曹

        We know who wears the pants in such couples.

    • Probotector

      The problem is, there’s not that many who have an A game to bring.

      • 나비

        I dont know, I could be bought with some egg rolls and rice. My husband paid for me with a some chickens and hachi paper. Some women like egg rolls.

        • Guang Xiang

          unintentional innuendo? sigh, my mind is tainted. ಠ_ಠ

      • Kai

        You know how you say generalizations are okay if they’re true (or based in some measure of truth)? I think this is a good example of why people take issue with many of your comments.

        Here, Kate says something entirely unoffensive, constructively encouraging those that complain about something to change the situation for themselves.

        Your immediate response is to put down Chinese guys.

        Sure, it’s definitely arguable that many Chinese guys don’t have an “A game” from the perspective of other nationalities, but why do you feel to need to establish this in response to Kate’s comment?

        This is the kind of pettiness that makes people question the prejudices behind your comments. You come across as exploiting any opportunity to establish inferiority and superiority, as if that’s what matters and must be made clear, threatening to turn what was a constructive encouragement by Kate into simply denigrating Chinese men.

        If you don’t intend this, great, but I do think you need to take seriously how you come across to many people. Your sentiment isn’t very different from a lot of the prejudiced sentiments from a lot of the Chinese netizens translated above.

        • Probotector

          The point I’m making is that many Chinese men are not as forthcoming when it comes to treating women with dignity and respect, a concept that many would accept.

          You say: “Sure, it’s definitely arguable that many Chinese guys don’t have an “A game” from the perspective of other nationalities, but why do you feel to need to establish this in response to Kate’s comment?”

          I said it because it’s a valid statement, as you just said it’s “definitely arguable”. Just because an opinion is not what you want does not make it invalid.

          • Kai

            Reread my first paragraph in my previous comment.

          • whuddyasack

            The point I’m making is that many Chinese men are not as forthcoming when it comes to treating women with dignity and respect, a concept that many would accept.

            Yet the rape rate in China is much less than that of many Western countries (nearly 20 times lower than the US). The rate of divorce is not only lower than White and Black men, Chinese/Asian immigrants stand alone as the only males in the West that top supporting their families and children’s education and beat all the other contestants when it comes to domestic abuse charges.

            If you’re talking about reputation though, Chinese men do punch above their weight in Asia. Let’s not equate them to Middle Easterners, Muslims, East Europeans, Latin Americans, and “Indians” who practice “femicide” en masse.

          • Kai

            Ugh, totally wrong path to go down. Lousy argments attempting to paint white, black, other race/ethnicity/nationality men as “worse” do not help make “Chinese men” better or absolve them of their generalized shortcomings.

            Probotector wasn’t equating Chinese men to “Middle Easterners, Muslims, East Europeans, Latin Americans, and “Indians” who practice “femicide” en masse.” So why are you arguing against a straw man?

            Probotector’s point is quite simple. He thinks Chinese men in general have unattractive mentalities regarding women and behaviors women find unattractive, hence they have no “A game” when it comes to successfully pursuing foreign women. He’s ultimately justifying why foreign men have such success with Chinese women while Chinese men don’t (or won’t) have similar success with foreign women. He does this in response to Kate encouraging Chinese men to improve their “game”, whatever that may entail for each individual Chinese male.

            If there’s irony, it’s in that a man who is so motivated to denigrate Chinese men is unlikely to treat Chinese women with true dignity and respect anyway.

            Stop bringing up rape rate comparisons when you already know they’re confounded by issues of reporting. Stop bringing up divorce rate comparisons when they’re confounded by issues of rising trends, cultural norms, and the prevalence of infidelity. For everything you can bring up to make other men look bad, there’s at least one thing that can be used to make Chinese men look bad. Stop this stupidity.

          • whuddyasack

            This is because the facts are that saying Chinese men don’t treat women with respect is incorrect. In contrast, aside from some of the older generation and a couple of jerks (and that’s not limited to Chinese by a long shot), they actually treat women with more respect.

            If Chinese can’t treat women with dignity, then how come Chinese women hold so many millionaires and positions of power in comparison to so many countries, including the US? Like you, I think China has a long way to go when it comes to treating women as equals and I also think China’s come a long way from the foot binding period.

            The reason why I didn’t address the foreign men x Chinese women in contrast to the reverse is because it doesn’t hold. 9/10 times, Chinese women would choose a Chinese man over a foreign man anyway, and it’s actually very rare for a non-White foreigner to have any success in the first place, with the ironic exception being non-Chinese East Asians like the Japanese and Koreans who exceed White foreigners.

            Like you, I think there’s multiple explanations why Chinese men do “worse” with foreign women and not one of them has to do with inherent “ugliness” or genetics. It has a lot more to do with opportunity, numbers and “initiation” aka motivation. Besides, statistics show that Chinese men are increasingly dating foreign women while Chinese women are losing interest in foreign men. I’ve never really cared much for interracial marriages anyway as long as the couples truly love each other and are happy, although I’d prefer that BOTH Chinese males and females stick with their own race.

            However, I hate false accusations and slandering of a group of people especially when the opposite is true.

            when it comes to treating women with dignity and respect, a concept that many would accept.

            And that’s because it’s a concept many also would NOT accept.

          • Kai

            A statement of “Chinese men are as sexist and misogynistic as most other men in the world” is closer to the truth than “Chinese men treat women with more respect than others”.

            It isn’t hard to say women are treated with less respect in many other places, but it’s really hard to say with a straight face that Chinese men treat women with more respect given how prevalent sexism and misogyny is in Chinese society.

            That isn’t to say Chinese men are to be generally denigrated as mistreating their women, like Probotector, it’s just that you’re going too far in the opposite direction. He also didn’t say Chinese men “couldn’t” treat women with dignity, he just believes his generalization is justified and needed in response to Kate’s comment.

            You’re more or less behaving like Probotector here: being too eager to use this opportunity to assert superiority and inferiority.

          • whuddyasack

            Of course there is an element of sexism and misogyny, but probopass effectively said:

            The point I’m making is that many Chinese men are not AS forthcoming when it comes to treating women with dignity and respect

            meaning he was making the comparison between Chinese and foreigners. Now these foreigners could be anyone, but Kate was referring to Russians and this article was referring to Indian men. Both cultures are far more misogynistic and sexist than Chinese culture, that isn’t even debatable. Ironically, Russian women shun Russian men for Chinese men but never the latter and this is one of the few cases where I don’t think it’s such a bad thing. Russia has one of the highest “femicide” rates in the world.

            It’s not that I view things in terms of superiority and inferiority, I hate misrepresentations, be it Chinese “racism” or “sexism” especially given the fact that the crowds who endorse such labels happen to have the biggest case of projections of all. Maybe not the latter, since you actually need to be “superior” to be racist. I don’t believe that his comments were accurate or true and there’s plenty of counter-examples to prove otherwise even for the more “chivalrous” nations.

          • Kai

            Yes, you could argue that not all “foreigners” treat women with dignity and respect, but that’s still going down the wrong path. At most you’d convince others that Probotector was sloppy with his semantics, when the real point that would undermine his comment is criticizing the mentality BEHIND such a statement at all. You picked the thing to battle over.

            The main concern with Probotector’s comment was his pettiness, not his semantics.

          • IsurvivedChina

            you do realise that most people on this site see through you!

          • whuddyasack

            Oh ho. Most people with half a brain should know my intentions, motivations and reasoning since I make them as obvious as possible. Seeing through suggests someone is dishonest, like you, Mr “Anti-Bullshit”.

          • IsurvivedChina

            I never said said I was “Anti” anything but since you chose to insult me allow me to repay – You’re a “Dick!!”

            The way you try to twist logic to suit your pathetic reasoning and making your reasons as obvious as possible is why most people think your full of shit! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck …

            It is what is and i’m just saying is all! You rant and rant like some high school kid whose never been laid in his life…

            Oh and if it makes you feel superior, I’ll sign off now and let you have the last comment.

    • YourSupremeCommander

      So your view of the entire Chinese male population is based on a handful of pathetic and random posts on the internet? WOW, how accurate can that be? And how naive can YOU be?

      • I don’t believe she mentioned the entire Chinese male population.

        • YourSupremeCommander

          “Chinese men” – this generalization did not mean 4 people either.

          • You’re right, it meant Chinese men who are worried about Chinese women marrying foreigners. It you want to interpret that as the entire Chinese male population, that’s your call.

          • IsurvivedChina

            oh well said!

      • 나비

        Oh YSC, did I forget to add words as “some” and “a few” infront of from of chinese? My BAD.

    • KamikaziPilot

      Yup, unfortunately seems like most Chinese men wouldn’t even think about dating a non-asian foreign woman. Probably confidence issues or just finding Chinese women more attractive. Chinese women have their own issues, but I won’t get into that now.

      • Dr Sun

        can you post to the links to the research backing this up ??

        or are you just talking smack ?

        • I think he was just sharing a casual observation. Not every statement needs be backed up with scientific research…

          I don’t think his comment was intended to be insulting.

          • Dr Sun

            I think when someone says “most people think this or that” its not a casual observation, its promoting something as fact.

          • When someone prefaces their statements with qualifiers such as “[it] seems like” and “probably”, he or she is explicitly conceding that such statements are merely casual observation. I’d say KamikaziPilot has phrased his comment quite responsibly compared to most chinasmack fare.

          • Dr Sun

            not when its preceded by unfortunately and followed by most

          • Well, I’ve been following KamikaziPilot’s posts long enough to know that he has nothing against the Chinese and has zero reason to “talk smack” about them. He was just giving his honest opinion and graciously presented it as such.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Nope, I can’t post any links, but I think you already knew that. If talking smack is voicing an opinion based on observations then I’m talking smack, just like you and a lot of others are. Can you provide research that discredits me? Do you disagree with me? Seems like you just like starting arguments for the sake of disagreeing.

      • Guang Xiang

        I can assure you, if the opportunity arises, they would date a non-Asian. The amount of envy when I was dating a white girl was staggering while I was in China.

        • KamikaziPilot

          Well if an attractive foreign woman comes up to a random Chinese man on the street and asks him on a date then of course. I don’t doubt your observations but if that’s the case then it comes down to a problem of confidence or lacking something that foreign women want in a man. Right? I doubt it’s lack of opportunity either as Chinese immigrant men in Western countries seldom date out of their ethnic group either.

          • Guang Xiang

            Yea, I see what you mean. In that case, it’s probably is a confidence issue backed by thinking things like “they age quickly” or “Chinese woman have better skin” to give themselves an excuse for not pursuing them.

    • Guang Xiang

      and redheads!

    • whuddyasack

      I’m sure there’s an element of worry there but I doubt that the racist comments from these netizens would stop even if they were marrying foreigners at higher rates. These people just view the Indian guy as coming from an “inferior” culture, and are shocked and disgusted that the Chinese girl chose to marry him. They probably think “How can she possibly that stupid to marry that man!!”

      As for the gorgeous Russians, well I was told that Chinese/East Asian men do quite well with the Russian ladies. ;-)

      • Mighty曹

        I’m certain that all those who view another country as ‘inferior/poor’ have never left China or traveled much outside their hometown. They’re the most ignorant.

        • whuddyasack

          Well said. Frogs in a well, an expression they like to use a lot. But to be honest, I’m slightly guilty when it comes to this too. I don’t view Indians and Indian culture as inferior or an Indian as less valuable and should thus be treated worse than a Chinese. It’s just that I’ve read the gang raping cases and have heard how Indians treat foreign women. I’ve heard that some of the less civilized view “White meat” aka White and East Asian women as objects of sex.

          I’ve also read the news and have personal contacts from Northeast Indians who were treated like garbage because of their “Chinese” looks. I’ve also heard of bride burning cases and Indians are active participants and one of the largest MRA (Men’s Rights Activists) groups in the world.

          While I don’t condone the way these netizens react and cuss out at the Indians itis because of a simple reason. I see the reason they do this is not out of any concern for the Chinese girl but because they see India as less worthy and because it hurts their male ego. I’d be iffy myself if my sister, friend or daughter was to marry an Indian and live with him there. You know what I mean.

          That said, I do have close Indian friends and wouldn’t trade the world for them.

          • Mighty曹

            It’s the stereotype and current news that set the tone for comments like, “Is she asking to be gang raped?”. Just as I see Mexico as a lawless nation where drug cartels operate with impunity. Of course that is not true but it’s hard to escape such thoughts.

          • whuddyasack

            Agreed. Prejudices, we all have them. That said, I’d still be cautious if my any friends, female or male wanted to live in India. If it’s their choice, it’s their choice, the point is I’d naturally feel concern. It’s like if you announced that you’d want to visit Egypt, Greece or Syria, I’d be up in arms against it.

          • Mighty曹

            Hey Bro, my summer vacation trips include Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. LOL! Same reason as to why you should be up in arms against that due to our views on those places based on the media. I swear I won’t go there. haha!

          • whuddyasack

            For a while there I thought you were serious and I was about to bring up all those media articles hahaha. I know, not a very great way to go about it, but with I’ve heard enough horror stories about the Middle East to know of its dangers. Yes, I know I’m biased, but I’d like to think I’m biased for a reason.

          • IsurvivedChina

            and what reason would that be?

          • whuddyasack

            Please answer this question as honestly as you can as the answer lies therein. Would you take a two week trip to Syria or Afghanistan?

            P.S. I already know your answer but how you answer it defines who you are.

          • IsurvivedChina

            does it have to be a two week trip? or would I be allowed to stay longer if I wanted to? While I saw through your Ruse, I felt it better to mock you!

          • whuddyasack

            Yes, it does. And with your answer, I’d have thought just as much, Mr. Anti-Bullshit (trying hard not to laugh). But hey, I gave you a thumbs up because at least you had the balls to answer.

            Or would I be allowed to stay longer if I wanted to?

            You can stay as long as you like. Chances are you’d be staying there forever. There was no ruse. I merely had you by the nuts. When I talked about being biased, I was referring to the ME.

            P.S. There’s no question about it. I am superior to you in every way ever since correcting your functional retardation at the shanghaiist. It doesn’t matter if you and your butt buddies come at me in packs. It doesn’t matter if it’s the 3 Stooges or the Stupid 7 (highly recommended “Indian” movie BTW).

          • IsurvivedChina

            Mummy needs her PC back, so I think you should sign off now and give her the computer back little man!

          • whuddyasack

            100 times the puny man you are. At least I don’t go around with an avatar of a reviled ex-leader and call meself the anti-bullshit. Learn to be a good loser and a smarter man, ISC. I got you with your pants down, and that’s that.

            P.S. LOL (In case you don’t get it… again)

          • IsurvivedChina

            No you choose to hide behind a grey shadow! now now little man! sexual innuendo in your response denotes a Freudian Slip… are you still in the closet are you? and what the fuck does “100 times the puny man you are” mean, if you’re going to slur in English at least do it with some class!

          • whuddyasack

            Always remember, a grey shadow denotes neutrality and it is certainly better than an avatar clearly designed to incite. Class. With a moniker like IsurvivedChina, you wouldn’t begin to know what it is ;-)

            100 times the puny man you are

            It means just that. I’m better than you. Tut tut.

          • IsurvivedChina

            Hypocrisy, was it in your dictionary when you studied English. You preach neutrality with a grey shadow, what a crock! save that one for your leaders!

            “100 time the puny man you are”

            You do understand that the way you constructed the sentence could mean that you are 100 times smaller than me? But a man of your superior talent should have know that?

          • whuddyasack

            Here’s what you said just a while ago:

            Oh and if it makes you feel superior, I’ll sign off now and let you have the last comment.

            Touchy, touchy LOL. It could. But it could also and more obviously mean that you’re such a puny man that I’m 100 times greater than you. Awww… look at the wumao profiling. When you have nothing left to say, resort to the “tried and tested, beaten-to-death” wumao schtick hahaha

          • IsurvivedChina

            Ah copy and pasting my other comment, yes I left that discussion as it was boring! But you are a wumao. and everybody knows it; your like that little kid that hangs around but nobody likes. So like I said before, hurry off now your mummy needs her iPad back!

          • whuddyasack

            Big, big yawn… another baseless claim. The only people who make that claim are the numerous bumbling idiots I’ve talked to who’ve all but ran out of gas. Intellectually lazy nitwits who gather together generalizing and whining because of the repulsive, hopeless failures they are. And no, I’m anything but a wumao. Like I said, you can keep the wu-mao schtick since apparently it makes up for the shriveled little thing you have haha.

          • IsurvivedChina

            your fascination with penis’ is starting to show!

  • mr.wiener

    Size XL please.

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