McDonald’s & KFC Meat Supplier Exposed Reusing Expired Meat

Shanghai Fuxi Food Products Limited Company, a supplier for many international fast food chains such as McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Pizza Hut, etc., exposed by the media for widespread reuse and recycling of meat that has expired or gone bad, as well as falsifying expiration dates and accounting books.

Currently the most discussed news story on Chinese web portal NetEase…

From NetEase:

Supplier for McDonald’s and KFC Exposed Using Chicken and Beef That Has Expired and Gone Bad

NetEase Finance July 20 report — Dragon TV today [July 20] broadcasted a report claiming that over two months, an undercover journalist discovered widespread use of meat sources that have expired and gone bad at Shanghai Fuxi [“Husi”] Food Products Limited Company, the meat supplier for well-known international fast food chains such as McDonald’s, Kentucky Fried Chicken [KFC], and Pizza Hut.

This company was exposed using such methods as recooking expired food products and changing expiry dates to process expired meat products and then sell the chicken nuggets, steaks, hamburger patties, etc. to the majority of fast food chains such as KFC, McDonald, and Pizza Hut. When the reporter questioned this, the workers even cheerfully said: “People won’t die from eating expired food.”

Reporter’s investigation findings:

2014 June 18, 18 tons of frozen chicken skin and chicken breast meat expired for half a month were mixed into the raw materials and made into golden “McNuggets”. The reporter also says these expired chicken meat sources are prioritized for use in China. Additionally, KFC’s smoked meat patty also used raw materials that were expired for nearly a month.

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Moreover, the journalist also found that the small, frozen, marinated beef steaks supplied to Yum Brands were over 7 months expired but still being used, the steaks having already become moldy and green. 2014 June 11 and 12, this company used 10 tons of expired semi-finished product to make mini-steaks. The material used should have all be discarded as garbage. However, after processing, the “best used before” date was reprinted and extended for a year.

The report states the company even kept internal and external accounting books in order to deal with inspections, to cover up the real production dates.

A Xinmin.cn reporter has learned that at present, the Shanghai Food and Drug Administration department has already launched an investigation into Shanghai Fuxi Food Products Limited Company exposed by the media.

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From NetEase:

网易河北省廊坊市手机网友 ip:124.238.*.*

Now already part of KFC’s luxurious lunch meal.

猿猴终结者 [网易广东省广州市手机网友]:

An orange tree to the south of the Huaihe River is an orange tree, but an orange tree to the north is a hedge thorn, their leaves similar, but the flavor of their fruits different. [Note: This is quoted from The Spring and Autumn Annals of Minister Yan Ying]

派大狗 [网易浙江省杭州市手机网友]:

Time to pay fees! [Probably referring to the company needing to pay bribes to avoid negative media reporting].

冰镇大可乐 [网易山东省烟台市手机网友]:

Sure enough, when in Rome, doing as the Romans do.

kop114 [网易内蒙古赤峰市手机网友]:

Chinese people’s bodies are already immune to all poisons/toxins!

吾射不亦精乎 [网易北京市宣武区手机网友]:

Suddenly reminded of KFC’s commercial. [Note: Not long ago, KFC had aired a television commercial featuring a company official expressing KFC’s commitment to food safety and quality.]

beer147 [网易福建省厦门市手机网友]:

Actually, it’s not that I look down on Chinese people, but there probably aren’t many nationalities in the world who can compete with the speed our countrymen heal wounds and forget pain [forget past lessons]! As a result, this reporter has spent so much time and energy thinking of the ordinary common people, but just how many Chinese people will stop eating the unhealthy food of the West as a result of this?

izabel1325 [网易浙江省温州市手机网友]: (responding to above)

Are you a stupid cunt? Isn’t this choosing to not hate those who are poisoning you to death and instead hating those who didn’t know and didn’t stop in time?

网易天津市手机网友 [2299421293]:

McDonald’s and KFC are the only places in China where you can buy nothing but still sit in to enjoy air conditioning. You can also bring your own food and drink and freely consume them inside. Passersby can also use their restrooms as they please. Think, can this be done in our own [Chinese] restaurants?

网易云南省昆明市网友 ip:222.221.*.* (responding to above)

Wang Fang sang a red song about resisting America during a Spring Festival Gala, and was subjected to all sorts of unfair attacks [criticism]. Liu Jialing [Carina Lau] took a photo in front of Tiananmen, and subjected to all sorts of personal attacks. Wen Zhaolun [Deric Wan] said he is a person with a homeland after Hong Kong was returned, and was flamed repeatedly. Whenever there is news involving the foreign, even if it is negative, there is always a bunch of people licking [ass] like dogs…

Remember when CCTV criticized Apple customer service for being discriminatory and a bunch of people said it was stupid? That it [negatively] affected the honor of their Apple? But they forget that Apple’s customer service improved and that it was Chinese consumers who benefited. When Starbucks was criticized for inflated prices, a bunch of people asked why real estate companies weren’t being exposed, and another bunch of people said it was none of your business, that you can only expose Chinese food and restaurant companies, that you can only criticize ineffective oversight/supervision, but you cannot criticize our foreigners, because we just love eating foreign garbage, because we just love using foreigners’ free restrooms…

In response to these duplicitous ninnies, I only have one word:

“Low!” [This word is difficult to translate. In this context, it refers to a person who voluntarily and happily debases oneself.]

网易天津市手机网友(111.161.*.*):

Even if there was shit in there, there would be people who would still eat it. When the brand is too big and has been around for too long, it is already very difficult to damage it.

网易湖南省岳阳市手机网友 ip:110.52.*.* (responding to above)

You mean even if dog shit is made into KFC, the post-’90s generation will still enjoy it…

This news story is also on Chinese social network Sina Weib, currently with a “Dirty Secrets of Supplier of Well-Known Fast Food Restaurantstrending topic and “McDonald’s and KFC Supplier Exposedhashtag. New developments are also being broadcasted on TV news programs.

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  • Pete of Perth

    McChunders and Kentucky fried Cat, mmmmmmmmmmm

    • Teacher in China

      We used to call it McDarnold’s. Seems pretty appropriate now :D

    • MonkeyMouth

      KaI Feng Cai

    • mr.wiener

      McChuckers and Kentucky Fried Kitten.

  • Kai

    Am I the only person who suddenly has a hankering for a double cheeseburger and mcnuggets?

    Joking (or am I?) aside, I saw this (the same video) late last night. From what I’ve seen online, the usual suspects among Chinese netizens are broadening it into a big anti-West/anti-foreign thing. While some actually have reasonable arguments, I’d say most of them are idiotic if not simply dishonest. It isn’t pretty.

    • The supplier is owned by American company OSI Group.

      http://youtu.be/bdVrontZXUQ

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_Group

      上海要求所有肯德基麦当劳问题产品全部下架
      “Shanghai Demands That Sales of All Problematic KFC and McDonald’s Products Be Stopped”

      http://money.163.com/14/0720/21/A1KIGJBB002526O3.html

      上海食药监局现场调查福喜 遭阻拦一个半小时
      Shanghai Food and Drug Administration Department Makes On-Site Investigation of Fuxi, Was Obstructed/Delayed for 1.5 Hours.
      http://money.163.com/14/0720/21/A1KLG3GR002526O3.html

      吉野家否认上海福喜为其原材料供应商
      Yoshinoya Says Shanghai Fuxi is Not a Supplier
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/15/A1MIA32E002526O3.html

      星巴克否认福喜为其供应商
      Starbucks Says Fuxi is Not a Supplier
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/15/A1MI0BJQ002526O3.html

      华莱士回应过期肉料事件:并未使用上海福喜产品
      Cnhls Responds to Expired Meat Controversy: Does Not Use Fuxi Products
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/13/A1MBM8H7002526O3.html

      达美乐中国回应过期肉料事件:福喜从未供货
      Dominos China Responds to Expired Meat Controversy: Fuxi Has Never Been a Supplier
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/14/A1MCV20P002526O3.html

      宜家撇清与福喜供货关系:已终止合作一年有余
      IKEA Says No Supplier Relationship with Fuxi: Already Terminated Relationship for Over a Year
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/13/A1MA9EEC00254TFQ.html

      德克士回应福喜过期肉料事件:全国餐厅封存下架
      Dicos Respons to Fuxi Expired Meat Controversy: All Restaurants in Country Sequester and Stop Sales [of Affected Products]
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/12/A1M5MPB60025536G.html

      赛百味:从未使用福喜集团作为肉类供应商
      Subway: Never Used Fuxi Group as Meat Supplier
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/10/A1M15U48002526O3.html

      麦当劳:全国餐厅立即停用封存福喜肉类食品
      McDonald’s: All Restaurants in Country Have Immediately Stopped Using and Sequestered Fuxi Meat Products
      http://money.163.com/14/0720/22/A1KLLPBK00254TFQ.html

      百胜中国回应供应商使用过期肉:封存停用 正调查
      Yum Brands China Responds to Supplier Uses Expired Meat Controversy: Sequestered and Stopped Using [Affected Products], Currently Investigating
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/01/A1L02SL2002526O3.html

      肯德基称上海餐厅未用上海福喜原料 店员:媒体黑我们
      KFC Claims Shanghai Restaurants Do Not Use Shanghai Fuxi Meat, Restaurant Staff: The Media is Slandering Us
      http://money.163.com/14/0721/14/A1MEBNI800254TFQ.html

      • Kai

        This is tough. On one hand, we need to determine who exactly is responsible for this business practice. Is it the local Chinese operators doing this to cut costs and improve profit margins and hiding it from the American holding company? If they are doing this, then there is blame to be put on them. On the other hand, the American holding company is ultimately responsible for oversight so it’s impossible to not question if the American supervisors were diligent enough to uncover and stop such practices in their company by their employees.

        • Yes!

          This is the most probable scenario: top expat management knows nothing about this. Middle management is Chinese. They collaborate with their suppliers to deliver less than ordered, invoice for full amount as per ordered, and their production team to use expired food to make up for production target. Company pays the full invoice, supplier keeps the amount as per delivery, and the excess/balance is shared among the Chinese middle management and production team.

          This is not unusual, it’s rampant in China. China Petroleum has been losing billions annually due to delivery tanker crews siphoning off their products to sell cheaply to third parties – with the knowledge of their supervisors/ middle management. Needless to say, everybody involved is pocketing the extra money.

          • donscarletti

            I’ve seen this a lot. The most egregious example I have seen is where a company had an American senior management team of four guys who had plenty of experience in the industry, but rarely came to China (family comittments) and could not speak any Chinese.

            The company was essentially being operated by a single Chinese “intermediary” manager with no industry experience and seemingly a habit of skimming and cronism. He was spending huge sums achieving no actual results, disobeying instructions and openly shutting those four guys out from communicating with any other strata of the company.

            I tried to explain to those four naive idiots that if they wanted to call themselves managers, they should damn well go and manage. They put it down to spite on my part. Perhaps because my job is contingent on actually being in China and actually leading my team, whereas their job with similar position and salary did not have such onerous requirements,

          • Yes!

            And having said that, this thing could also be a case of sabotage. Local food suppliers are jealous of the amount of business this Fuxi company is doing with Macs, KFC, etc. So they set up the disgusting scenario, contacted the reporter and the rest is history. The whole gang involved in this show could be pocketing millions each from whoever who plotted this, plus they get new jobs waiting for them at the Chinese company that’s behind this. Never ever under-estimate the cunning of the Chinese mainlander especially when they share a common aim such as making money off someone else; I’d say this trait of theirs is unmatched by any westerner from a first world country.

        • Teacher in China

          It sounds like the Chinese plant did a pretty good job of covering it up (although obviously not good enough) what with their fake accounting books and reprinted expired dates and such. I guess if the top level brass really cared, they would station someone there permanently, perhaps rotating them out every month to avoid corruption. Massive corporations need to take more responsibility and be smarter about dealing in China. Corruption and cost-cutting are still too rampant here, and any company worth its salt would have done the research and found that out and taken pro-active measures to stop it. Unless, of course, they were in on it too, which is something I would readily believe were it to come to light.

          • Dr Sun

            If you check the company out both the coo and senior vp of Quality assurance are U.S citizens, both resident in China and on massive salaries exceeding a million per annum each. Neither has been physically present at the plant for many months before this incident but speedily returned from HK and Macau after the “shit hit the grill”

          • Teacher in China

            That’s depressing and not at all surprising…

          • Dr Sun

            indeed

    • Confucius

      The tragedy of all this is, the Chinese vs the West animosity is so artificial and driven by the interests of the few: we are like serfs to our politico-economic masters who decide whom we should hate to further their personal interests. The same dishonest practices happen everywhere and the division should be moral vs immoral people, not Chinese vs US or China vs foreigners etc. Just as people like me try to make English readers recognise this foolish bias, I hope there are people doing the same on Chinese forums, especially when most of them (like most of us) will never set foot outside of our country/comfort zone – although I have been to many places, the more I travel, the less I know.

      • There are people, thankfully, on Chinese forums who look beyond the China/West binary when it comes to certain issues, but, of course, the majority of the people, like most places on the internet (especially here), call for “blood” while few call for “reason”.

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        well shit, if you’d said that last time we could’ve agreed right off the bat and been done with it.

      • Kai

        There are, but this animosity is not just driven by the interests of the few (though it is regularly exploited by the few). This animosity is a product of human irrationality and insecurity.

    • firebert5

      This does seem to happen in China pretty often and many time with the weirdest, most uniquely Chinese situations. Remember the Wal Mart meat scandal not long ago? Where else would there be outcry that Wal Mart donkey meat was actually fox meat being labeled as donkey meat? There are certainly food scandals in every country (Taco Bell’s “meat” always comes under scrutiny in the US), but the scandals in China are often more interesting, off-beat news (and I still order the 7 layer burrito when I’m stateside despite knowing what’s actually in it!).

      • Kai

        Hah, I thought the European horsemeat episode was pretty off-beat though.

        • MonkeyMouth

          ya, true. i ate at ikea just the other day. but i bet the ikeas in china (meatballs) actually got a boost in business…haha

      • MonkeyMouth

        fox meat? wow….didnt know that. wouldnt fox be expensive?
        and the 7 layer burrito has no meat in it, aside form the lard used in the refried beans

        but ya…i agree that china always has the wierdest scandals. fake eggs, pork into beef….uggh…

        • donscarletti

          No, when they slaughter foxes for meat consumption in China, they always do it when the fox is in woman form so there is more meat (50kg vs 4kg).

  • Cj

    This is horrible… I hope they get sued out the ass.

  • IsurvivedChina1©

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2diPZOtty0 Fast food is shocking where ever you are!

  • ex-expat

    And where are all the undercover investigations of suppliers to Chinese restaurants? Seriously, I remember countless Chinese shit holes with signs displaying four or five stars for “the highest level of quality and cleanliness” or whatever on the front…give me a fucking break. I am so fucking sick of Chinese (yes I am generalizing and I don’t care) business practices, which are by FUCKING FAR the worst I have ever seen.

      • Dr Sun

        A very simple search shows that this food processing company is American owned and run, choke on that.. EX-expat

        • ex-expat

          Hopefully you will choke on something and stop posting on here.

          • woolv

            LMAO. This is what an expat had to say when he lost his face. :)

          • whuddyasack

            @Guest It isn’t a loss of face though, face is a principle of honor shared among Japanese, Vietnamese, Taiwanese and Koreans. Rather, it’s plain old-fashioned sore-loserism. It’s a purely western condition and we call it damage to one’s ego. It goes something like this, those who project the biggest egos are in fact the most insecure losers of all.

          • Kai

            You’re an idiot.

            P.S. – I haven’t said this in like 5 years on cS.

          • whuddyasack

            Are you telling me this frantic scrambling among the “white” expats defending the good name and quality of… wait for it… KFC and McDonald’s is idiotic? They are crying discrimination and how foreign corporations are unfairly targeted when it is clear Western fast food chains aren’t the innocent angels portrayed. When a Chinese company is guilty of the same thing, e.g. tainted milk scandal, most Chinese feel ashamed and at the very least won’t band together and defend it. Neither would most others. This is pure clannishness on their part and they are defending an obvious crime just because they associate themselves with the perpetrator. Not even blacks (the ghetto type) are that low and if you stoop lower than that, that’s as low as you can get. When I was but a child, I held nothing but respect for “whites”. As I grew older, I wondered why they would bunch up and pick on native Canadian kids. Nowadays, it really is hard not to feel anything but disdain for them. I’m always expecting them to say or do something insensitive, uncivilized or disrespectful knowing that most lack manners and grace. Fortunately, I now see that not all are like that. Unfortunately, most are.

            To me, how they collectively react to defend foreign companies has bigger implications. It is what I’ve been saying all along. These archaic savages will only see race and defend the pedophiles/rapists amongst them. That there are many opportunistic rapists amongst them is not a stereotype. It is a verifiable fact, by way of statistics and actual documentation in not just China, but also Japan, Korea, Thailand, etc.

            Thus my overall conclusion, ego =/= face. One has to do with honor, the other pure cowardice and selfishness.

          • Probotector

            Most white people don’t act in they way you’re describing. Actually, your descriptions are more fitting of people from single-culture ethnocentric countries like in Asia or South America. Western nations are all multicultural and teach us to breakdown our ethnic divisions. White clannishness and banding together for the white race is a virtually dead concept. Only white supremacists (and let’s face it they are a minority who live on the edge of society and no one takes them seriously) still do that. Most white people are liberal and self-flagellating apologists. I don’t know where you get your information from. It sounds like you just really hate white people.

          • whuddyasack

            They do. For reference, just look at how white Americans treat Mexican illegals. Ever noticed that white people have problems with just about everyone including themselves? We are all inherently clannish because, well we are different races. I don’t care if whites decide to band together as a single race, but I do care if they decide to defend a known criminal because of racial allegiance. This is not about white supremacy which I care little for, it’s about human decency. You see, teaching liberalism and multiculturalism is a failed exercise when nobody, especially not white tribesmen and their Muslim brethren are going to hold those standards dear and who could blame them? The only westerners who believe in pro-equality and diversity are misguided westernized Asians.

            You don’t understand. I do this for the benefit of the Chinese who seek to fathom why they are being abused, online and offline. I’m not hating, I’m explaining. How could I hate whites when you aren’t born with the ability for self-introspection?

          • “How could I hate whites when you aren’t born with the ability for self-introspection?”

            Oh, the irony.

            Look in the mirror, man:

          • Dick Leigh

            Mexicans are white. :/

          • Alex Dương

            Some are.

          • whuddyasack

            That’s what I thought, but if you read the “American media”, white Americans insist Mexicans are some sort of brown race. They seriously have a problem and hate on every single ethnicity and racial group. Them and their Black Americans blood brothas.

          • Alex Dương

            There are certainly white Mexicans, but most Mexicans are mestizo; they have both European and Amerindian ancestry.

          • Probotector

            Refer to my other comment.

          • Kai

            Are you telling me this frantic scrambling among the “white” expats defending the good name and quality of… wait for it… KFC and McDonald’s is idiotic?

            You probably forgot a “not” in there. First of all, you better be sure those defending the good name and quality of KFC and McD’s are actually “expats” and “white”. Second, you should acknowledge that many comments here possibly by “white expats” shit on KFC and McD’s too. Third, no, I was saying you are an idiot for the remarks in the comment of yours I replied to.

            They are crying discrimination and how foreign corporations are unfairly targeted when it is clear Western fast food chains aren’t the innocent angels portrayed.

            First, who is portraying the Western fast food chains as innocent angels? Second, you haven’t proven that the Western fast food chains are compicit in the misbehavior involved in this incident.

            Yes, it is obnoxious when some people exaggerate Chinese persecution of foreign corporations, but this doesn’t change the fact that your comment included idiotic remarks.

            When a Chinese company is guilty of the same thing, e.g. tainted milk scandal, most Chinese feel ashamed and at the very least won’t band together and defend it. Neither would most others. This is pure clannishness on their part and they are defending an obvious crime just because they associate themselves with the perpetrator.

            I think this behavior is unfortunately quite universal. You can criticize the specific people who are guilty of irrationally defending the guilty out of association and bias, but you’re an idiot for the prejudice of generalizing that all “white expats” are doing this.

            Not even blacks (the ghetto type) are that low and if you stoop lower than that, that’s as low as you can get.

            Jesus Christ.

            Unfortunately, most are.

            Probotector See what I mean about “most” versus “a lot” or “too many”?

            These archaic savages will only see race

            You’re incapable of self-reflection.

            Thus my overall conclusion, ego =/= face. One has to do with honor, the other pure cowardice and selfishness.

            I disagree with your representation of “face”. I’ve argued with others about it in the past and I frankly don’t care to argue it again with you. In short, I believe “ego” is one aspect/phenomenon that can be categorized underneath “face”, a concept that encompasses many other things including honor, reputation, embarrassment, image, self-image, shame, etc.

            You’re an idiot because you think this, whether face or ego is “a purely Western condition”. No, it’s something that unfortunately afflicts people worldwide. Your behavior of trying to associate this with Westerners and not Asians is similar to the idiots trying to put all the blame of this news story on just the local Chinese and refusing to acknowledge that the American owners and managers also bear some responsibility.

          • loki

            wtf are you talking about… that was just a mess of random words bunched together… holy smelly bath soaps batman.. stfu and I am going to upvote “Kai” on this one…

          • denvereen

            An outdated and primitive social code which has no place in the 21st century. I would never go to japan or korea at all, racist places..

        • This is what I like about Dr Sun
          He represents the “The West = Corruption” portion of Chinese society (I assume he is Chinese), while some expatriates take more a “China inherently sucks” approach.

          • Probotector

            No, he’s a British libtard who thinks America unequivocally sucks at everything and China can do no wrong.

          • Dr Sun

            can you post any examples of where I have ever posted that China can do no wrong, or did you just pull that melon out of your arse ?

          • Probotector

            It’s hyperbole. The point is you are always so overly critical of virtually everything American, and just as heavily defensive of anything to do with China.

          • Dr Sun

            I have never once posted anything in defence of the PRC, the CPC or the actions of any Govt running dog.
            In fact I’m a prolific poster against the current gangster regime, so I’m bemused at the suggestion to the contrary.
            Ordinary Chinese people I do like and will defend.

          • Probotector

            “Ordinary Chinese people I do like and will defend”.

            ad nauseam ad absurdum it seems.

          • Dr Sun

            stop trolling

          • Charles

            You just posted a long rant attacking foreigners and defending the PRC… Hello! Wake up… Hello!

            BTW, I love living in China… but there are some very deep profound problems with this society and the longer you live here, the more you realize that. This country is in serious trouble. Just the utter lack of regard for the value of human life is enough to drive one insane at times… and while we are talking about driving… how many moronic Chinese drivers will needlessly kill someone this year… simply because they seem to have the intelligence of sixth graders?

            I just have to hope and pray that I am not one of them.

          • Teacher in China

            I came the closest I’ve ever come to physical violence against a driver just yesterday for endangering the lives of me, my wife, and nephew with his fucking utterly reckless driving. I won’t put that down to “disregard for human life” up here in Dongbei; it’s pretty clear that this is a macho thing – “this is how a real man drives a car”, and an inability to understand that there can be disastrous results to this kind of driving.

            I’ve never lived in a place where cars actually speed up (and sometimes steer towards) people that are jaywalking or even crossing on a mid-street “crosswalk”.

            Sorry, I know this has little to do with the topic, just needed to vent….

          • Dr Sun

            Please try to read things before you post, It matters.

          • don mario

            talking common sense might not get you very far…when there are certain expats who are massively in denial and have formed a pro china bias..

            i guess they want to keep their china adventure going for as long as possible without facing the reality.

            being an expat in china is great fun and a great experience.. but it certainly has a time limit attached to it… for those who live in reality. i’m getting quite sick of these china bias delusional expats.

          • Dr Sun

            incorrect I was not defending the PRC, please read the posts before your knee jerk post back.

          • Dr Sun

            my guess is that those expats living in China that think it “Inherently sucks” should move on and scratch out a living or go back on welfare in their own country.
            If you think the country you live in (China) is a pit, move out, leave those of us that came here with positive motives to help China. The colonial days are well gone, China owes you nothing, never did.
            If all you have to offer is to bitch and moan about China and Chinese people, then I say F@#k OFF, go home.
            If you have something positive to contribute to China then stay which many do, but their generally not the1 year/2 semester types. they are the Teachers, Engineers, Doctors,, Nurses..etc that are 5+ years in country, with stable careers, families and a investment in Chinas future.
            These are are the people that that didn’t come to China to take, but to give, who have taken the time to understand Chinese culture.
            Those that come here for a brief time as a work tourist never understand China, never will. I have met many of these “tourists” that spend the 1 or 2 years doing nothing but bitching about China, chasing Chinese women, while spending their time in “Foreigner street” eating western food. They are a pathetic bunch, unemployable back home they travel to the developing world and hate it. Luckily most get fired or leave after the first year as their visa wont get extended so China is not awash with this trash.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I am Ron Paul, and I endorse this message.

          • Don’t Believe the Hype

            Your criticism was more effective when it was based on reason. Generalizing based upon the “ugly American,” while perhaps justified, is less likely to pursuade as opposed to, say, proving “them” wrong

          • And here, ladies and gentlemen, is ChinaSmack’s homegrown version of Rui Chenggang(http://qz.com/234831/world-economic-forum-is-erasing-rui-chenggang-china-davos-man-after-his-arrest/).

            As to the China owes no one part, I’d like to refer you to the debt the Kuomintang government borrowed from the US ca.1913-42, which now amounts to US$750-billion and counting. Of course you can offset that with how much the US has borrowed from China post-1985, but I believe there’s still some left to be paid. So shut your self-righteous monkey trap and try to work off some of that debt.

            No, debt doesn’t go away just because you don’t recognize the legitimacy of the previous government, because sovereign debts are that—payables owed by a nation, not a political party.

          • Confucius

            You have some very interesting ideas, reptilian. Have you considered that the KMT government is governing Taiwan, so in fact, it is Taiwan that will owe this debt (I have to admit, this is something I wasn’t familiar with, but I’ll take you at your word)? If Taiwan gains independence, of course. That’s a bit of a Catch-22.

          • Yeah, but since we all follow the One China Policy, I think your comrades would be angry if the US went to Taipei as the capital of China, to collect.

          • Dr Sun

            You are aware of course of the 1.3 trillion dollars of Treasury bonds China owns, so China pays you the KMT debt of 800 billion, you still owe China 500 billion dollars.

            you better get a second and third job, work much harder you have sovereign debt to be paid mister.

          • You do realize that figure was during the time of Chiang Kai-shek? Do the math at 12% per annum and tell me who owes whom today.

            Lovely imagination you have there, automatically assuming that I’m American just because I brought up the KMT debt? Or did you know that just by looking at the pasty white face in my profile, genius?

          • Dr Sun

            where do you get 12% per annum from that was never in the deal ? are you a toxic loan banker ?
            The figure of U.S debt to china in 2013 was $1.3 trillion its increased, so hows the third job going ?

          • Alex Dương

            Setting aside the $1.27+ trillion of Treasury securities the PRC held as of May 2014 and the fact that there are reasons why this is never brought up as an issue even in election years, officially, the ROC still exists on Taiwan, Kinmen, and Matsu. So if you want to act tough, go say hi to the Taiwanese.

          • Probotector

            The same can be said for the millions of immigrants (though certainly not all of them, or even the majority of them) in our country living on benefits, not working, not paying taxes, not learning English, establishing their own ghettos, I mean “communities”, and some of them even planning violence and terrorism against our people. But you wouldn’t have the balls to say that would you?

          • Dr Sun

            I have no idea which country you are from so I really can’t reply to that.
            However IF its the USA to legally immigrate there the visa applicant has to demonstrate that they have the financial means to support themselves (USIC form I- 864).
            If again the USA and you have PROOF/evidence of immigrant groups planning acts of terrorism I suggest you pass this evidence on ASAP to the FBI.
            If you live in the UK immigrants from outside the EU have to have achieved a IELTS score of 4. for a spousal visa,6- 7 for some work/ academic visas, the applicant must be able to show proof of residence and income . Again if you have evidence of terrorist plots pass the information speedily to MI5.

          • Probotector

            I guess the phrase “our country”, (meaning yours and mine) didn’t register. You missed the point too, instead you tried to skirt the issue with BS and double talk. The point is, there’s a greater percentage of unemployed/illiterate in the local language/criminal immigrants in the UK than there are in China.

          • Dr Sun

            by criminal immigrant are you meaning illegal immigrant ?

          • Probotector

            Partly, but also those who commit crimes within the countries they’ve entered.

          • Dr Sun

            Partly ?
            No hang on you said criminal immigrant, define it, legal or illegal immigrant ?

            do you realise a immigrant is very different from a tourist worker or a invading army person, like in Afghanistan, A immigrant is legal, a soldier killing multiple innocent civilians is not
            A legal immigrant is a legal immigrant.
            I can only assume then you are referring to the Scottish, Irish, Gypsys, the Hugganos, Saxons, Vikings,Huns,Romans,Normans, them Cornish barbarians etc.. and Welsh that have, or their sons or great great sons that you still believe are illegal immigrants because someone ever committed a crime in England then ?

          • Probotector

            No I’m not, stop with your BS. I’m talking about current events. Historical conquest of one nation over another with military force, and individuals sneaking into a country without permission are entirely different. Are you seriously trying to deflect by insinuating that illegal immigration is not really a crime because we’ve (after valiant resistance) allowed ourselves to have been conquered before?!

          • Dr Sun

            idiot

          • Probotector

            Uh great rebuttal there, meaning you don’t actually have an argument.

          • Dr Sun

            you dont deserve a rebuttal on such idiotic nonsense.

          • Probotector

            You’ve changed your comment. I mean an immigrant who commits crimes, either by entering illegally (as in without permission) and/or committing crimes after he/she arrives. Why does this need an explanation?

          • Dr Sun

            No, I didn’t and Just to set you straight, heres what you actually said

            “The same can be said for the millions of immigrants (though certainly not all of them, or even the majority of them) in our country living on benefits, not working, not paying taxes, not learning English, establishing their own ghettos, I mean “communities”, and some of them even planning violence and terrorism against our people. But you wouldn’t have the balls to say that would you?”

            There is no mention of illegal immigrants whatsoever in your statement, as you are fully aware illegal immigrants can’t go on welfare.
            Your implication clearly was that millions of legal immigrants are entering the UK to go on welfare, plan acts of terrorism and commit crimes.
            This Sir is total unsubstantiated racist garbage, even the UKIP does say this, so one can only assume you get you’re getting the info from your weekly EDL/BF meetings.
            As was very clearly pointed out to you immigrants from none-EU countries are required to pass a English test and show proof of financial security before their application is accepted.
            To conclude re-read what you wrote, then compare it to the Nazi propaganda of the 1930’s and the Neo-nazi bs of today, because you sir sound like a NAZI.

          • Probotector

            “There is no mention of illegal immigrants whatsoever in your statement, as you are fully aware illegal immigrants can’t go on welfare.”

            Officially true, though there are loopholes and fraud being committed. However many illegal immigrants also do not try to better themselves, hence that doesn’t disqualify my statement that there are some of them “not paying taxes, not learning English, establishing their own ghettos, I mean “communities”, and some of them even planning violence and terrorism against our people.”

            “Your implication clearly was that millions of legal immigrants are entering the UK to go on welfare, plan acts of terrorism and commit crimes.”

            You arrived at that conclusion even though you quoted me as saying “though certainly not all of them, or even the majority of them”.

            The rest of it is just typical libtard gargage, ‘racist’, ‘nazi’… weak argument. You’re saying it’s racis and nazi propaganda to say:

            “The same can be said for the millions of immigrants (though certainly not all of them, or even the majority of them) in our country living on benefits, not working, not paying taxes, not learning English, establishing their own ghettos, I mean “communities”, and some of them even planning violence and terrorism against our people”

            and

            “there’s a greater percentage of unemployed/illiterate in the local language/criminal immigrants in the UK than there are in China.”

            Where’s the racism in that? Only in your head?

          • Dr Sun

            enough said you have proved my point completely. Now go shave your head your hair must be at least 2 mm long and get off to the West Ham game my boy.
            Come and and post once you realise that in adult and mature English, any language, inference and meaning is in what you say, the meaning, not in each word you use or how you try to disguise or wrap up your racism and prejudice in another argument . Your meaning was very clear… very clear to anyone but a infant at your National Front rallies.

          • Probotector

            Let’s take stock of Dr. Sun’s most recent diatribes on CS:

            ⦁ Chinese traditional medicine is superior to Western medicine.

            ⦁ More people have been oppressed, tortured and killed in the name of Christianity, than by any other single group, ever, period.

            ⦁ The days of colonialism are over, but British and American special forces should be sent to Ukraine to secure the downed Malaysian airliner’s crash site and pacify the ‘terrorists’.

            ⦁ Nearly all expat English teachers in China are incompetent, uncommitted and unprofessional, and are only looking to victimise Chinese females (of all ages from childhood to adult) for sex.

            ⦁ It’s the fault of the American upper management of KFC and McDonalds that contaminated food has been served in their Chinese restaurant branches, even though the food items in question would have been processed, manufactured, distributed, stored, prepared and served by Chinese employees from the companies that are responsible for these things.

            ⦁ Any significant social problems in China, be they commonplace or not, are never representative of the Chinese people as a whole, and things are always worse in America.

            ⦁ To speak in broad, general terms about the commonplace/omnipresent problems of Chinese society, is the same as absolute condemnation of all Chinese people.

            ⦁ Anyone who has a negative opinion of China must have never lived here, but was instead only a tourist here for two weeks.

            ⦁ Talking about criminality among the immigrant population of the United Kingdom (even if one has explicitly stated it’s the majority of said population that is criminal) is akin to Nazi propaganda.

            ⦁ Illegal immigration and conquest of a nation by military force are the same.

            I’m going to stop replying to or challenging any of the statements you make, because it’s such a futile endeavour. It’s abundantly clear from the information above that there’s no reasoning with you, as you’re intransigent to the last in your belief in, and espousing of, liberal lunatic leftist views and platitudes, despite their fallacies and inappropriateness. You will not waiver, you will not compromise; your mind is made up. You have a vendetta against Western people and their beliefs, ideas and morals; attacking them at every turn, and defending anything which opposes them or seeks to undermine them. Nevertheless, you’re entitled to your views, I can’t change them, so I must accept that they exist, ignore them and move on. Talking to you is really not worth anybody’s time or effort.

          • Dr Sun

            Chinese traditional medicine is superior to Western medicine.
            *NO,what I said was that in the treatment of certain chronic illnesses it is.
            ⦁ More people have been oppressed, tortured and killed in the name of Christianity, than by any other single group, ever, period.
            *AND ITS TRUE

            ⦁ The days of colonialism are over, but British and American special forces should be sent to Ukraine to secure the downed Malaysian airliner’s crash site and pacify the ‘terrorists’.
            *Well it is a degrading/ corrupted a crime scene in a combat zone with lots of dead nationals from Nato countries.I don’t think a bunch of traffic wardens will be up to it.

            ⦁ Nearly all expat English teachers in China are incompetent, uncommitted and unprofessional, and are only looking to victimise Chinese females (of all ages from childhood to adult) for sex.
            *No what I said is that teachers that have sexual relations with their students are abusing their position and acting unethically.

            ⦁ It’s the fault of the American upper management of KFC and McDonalds that contaminated food has been served in their Chinese restaurant branches, even though the food items in question would have been processed, manufactured, distributed, stored, prepared and served by Chinese employees from the companies that are responsible for these things.
            *No I said it was the fault of the absentee Senior management of the processing company.

            ⦁ Any significant social problems in China, be they commonplace or not, are never representative of the Chinese people as a whole, and things are always worse in America.
            *Which “significant social problems” ?

            ⦁ To speak in broad, general terms about the commonplace/omnipresent problems of Chinese society, is the same as absolute condemnation of all Chinese people.
            *Indeed it is, presenting sweeping generalizations is most often used to misrepresent and oppress a group.

            ⦁ Anyone who has a negative opinion of China must have never lived here, but was instead only a tourist here for two weeks.

            *No I said that of just 2 people who have never lived here

            ⦁ Talking about criminality among the immigrant population of the United Kingdom (even if one has explicitly stated it’s the majority of said population that is criminal) is akin to Nazi propaganda.

            * It most certainly is, as its a downright lie

            ⦁ Illegal immigration and conquest of a nation by military force are the same
            *the word your looking for is colonization

            I’m going to stop replying to or challenging any of the statements you make, because it’s such a futile endeavour.

            * Thank godness

          • James in China

            “move out, leave those of us that came here with positive motives to help China.”

            You came here to help China? lol you’re pathetic.

          • Dr Sun

            OK, now take your meds and stop talking to yourself in the mirror.

          • loki

            you use the word “if” way to often…
            if the moon crashes into china..blah blah blah… get out of china …
            if your mom chucks wood….
            if you only had a brain …..
            if chinese people stop shitting in the streets ….
            if mother fuckers stop using if….

          • Dr Sun

            what are you the f@3cking if police ?
            If you have something useful to post, post it, if not, shut the fuck up.

        • whuddyasack

          Ugh… American made garbage imported to China. Perhaps it’s time that rather than sabre rattling, Chinese authorities actually do something relevant for once. A good place to start would be cracking down on all the undesirable residue that somehow makes it into China. Incompetent expat workers, poor quality education, environment destroying fuel, phones that explode and kill you suddenly, and now unsafe food… Just who do they think they are? Had it been Korea, Japan, Australia or some European country, American fast food companies would be much more careful to put their money where their mouth is and comply with safety standards. They know that these countries won’t tolerate any BS and actually can and will take action on corporate mischief.

          It’s not that China does not have its own problems. It’s just that China does not need to some more import expensive problems from overseas. Remove the weak link and scrutinize foreign companies that take advantage of the lax quality management in the country.

          • Kai

            I don’t think your characterization of “American-made garbage imported to China” is fair and instead needlessly inflammatory.

            Unless it turns out that American management instituted such business practices or turned a blind eye to it, they are at most guilty of negligence, which is damning but not anything like they “importing unsafe food into China”.

            It is possible, even likely, that those directly responsible for instituting these business practices were local Chinese operators and employees. The idea to inflict potentially unsafe food on Chinese consumers was theirs.

            There’s plenty of blame to go around.

            As far as I know, the American fast food companies that this company supplied to did their QA inspections. As I said earlier, you can make an argument that their inspections where thorough enough to discover misbehavior by the supplier, but they are still less blameworthy and more victims of this company. Is it really reasonable to blame the misbehavior of the supplier upon the customer, customers that already have systematic QA procedures?

            How is this story about China importing expensive problems from overseas? It isn’t. You misrepresenting it as that either reflects a disastrous misunderstanding of the story or dishonest broadening.

            There are many weak links in this story. Unethical behavior by the employees, lack of effective or ethical oversight by the managers/owners/government regulatory agencies. All of them need to be dealt. The weak link is not just scrutiny and not just scrutiny of foreign companies, and not just the “lax quality management in the country”. There were many players involved and ultimately culpable, so the finger doesn’t get pointed to just one.

          • whuddyasack

            It is very obvious that the use of expired meat does not comply to safety standards and KFC and McDonald’s are American companies, thus they are American made garbage. So what alternatives do you offer? White garbage? White trash? Eurocrap? I don’t think any of these are fair because KFC is an American company and negligence is criminal. At least from where I grew up . Here’s something you need to realize, if these companies did do their QA inspections, none of this would have happened. It’s not like the supplier, Shanghai Husi was not involved in huge scandals earlier. Do these Western fast food corporations not even bother to read news in China especially as it does pertain to the food industry they wish to target? Does this not look like they are taking their customers for fools? Would KFC be that stupid in say Norway? Of course not, they know of the damage that would do to their brand and finances.

            KFC made a CM stating the importance of quality and food safety. If you can’t live up to your promises, don’t make them in the first place. And seriously, everyone in America, Canada, etc. knows that fast food is unhealthy junk food. The whole advertisement was based on a lie.

            And these are the reasons why “China’s low food safety standards, lax management and quality control” are the weak link. Foreign corporations would NEVER dare to be this negligent and boldly make such a stupid claim that fast food is “safe” had China’s food industry been of decent quality. They are simply exploiting the fact that China’s safety and quality practices leave a lot to be desired. Food for thought, is selling “petcoke” to China while knowing of its effects ethical? Yet America exports this fuel to China knowing the government doesn’t give a damn what happens to the country or its people.

          • Kai

            It is very obvious that the use of expired meat does not comply to safety standards and KFC and McDonald’s are American companies, thus they are American made garbage.

            Were they knowingly using expired meat? No.

            Here’s something you need to realize, if these companies did do their QA inspections, none of this would have happened.

            That’s like saying you can’t be deceived. You can. Unless you know what their QA inspections are and can argue that it was unreasonably inadequate, you can’t say that. Did you even read the article/watch the video?

            It’s not like the supplier, Shanghai Husi was not involved in huge scandals earlier.

            And those scandals were? Whether or not a company continues working with a supplier is based on a lot of factors. A company can mess up in the past but customers will still work with them for plenty of valid reasons.

            Do these Western fast food corporations not even bother to read news in China especially as it does pertain to the food industry they wish to target? Does this not look like they are taking their customers for fools? Would KFC be that stupid in say Norway? Of course not, they know of the damage that would do to their brand and finances.

            I’m pretty sure they read news in China. What I don’t see is how this makes it their fault that their supplier engaged in illegal and unethical business practices.

            KFC made a CM stating the importance of quality and food safety. If you can’t live up to your promises, don’t make them in the first place. And seriously, everyone in America, Canada, etc. knows that fast food is unhealthy junk food. The whole advertisement was based on a lie.

            Uh, it’s also marketing.

            Foreign corporations would NEVER dare to be this negligent and boldly make such a stupid claim that fast food is “safe” had China’s food industry been of decent quality.

            Yes they would, as long as they feel there is a marketing benefit in doing so and feel their operations are good enough to generally substantiate such a claim. You think restaurants are going to market their food as “unsafe”?

            They are simply exploiting the fact that China’s safety and quality practices leave a lot to be desired.

            First of all, what basis do you have for this claim? Second, for what purpose?

            Food for thought, is selling “petcoke” to China while knowing of its effects ethical? Yet America exports this fuel to China knowing the government doesn’t give a damn what happens to the country or its people.

            Apart from this being irrelevant to your misrepresentations of this actual news story, people and nations have been exporting waste and undesirables to other countries who are willing to take them. You can argue it is ethically questionable to be involved in this sort of trade, but it IS A TRADE. You have to go after both sides of the transaction, not just one side. That’d be biased.

          • whuddyasack

            Were they knowingly using expired meat? No.

            Did QA inspections fail? Yes. It was a hyperbole. I don’t mean that no QA inspections took place, I meant lacklustre, effortless, infrequent QA inspections took place. How else would you explain the reusing of expired meat and McD’s and KFC partnering with shady Shanghai Husi?

            And those scandals were?

            They have been known for forging expiry dates. So what exactly is quality control doing?
            http://www.ibtimes.com/shanghai-husi-faced-lawsuit-last-year-unethical-work-report-1638780
            The fault is that they should never have trusted such a company in the first place. I mean what type of “quality” chain would pick suppliers without researching on them in the first place?

            Uh, it’s also marketing.

            It’s dishonest marketing.

            Yes they would, as long as they feel there is a marketing benefit in doing so and feel their operations are good enough to generally substantiate such a claim. You think restaurants are going to market
            their food as “unsafe”?

            Of course not, but at least be honest. This is exactly what I mean, they market themselves this way because they “can” get away with it. Claim to be healthy, safe and quality in Canada, Australia and the good old USA and everyone is going to laugh themselves to death at them. Just say great tasting food instead perhaps? The fact that China’s food quality standards are not good and there is not much trust in their own products after so many food scares is what emboldens them to market themselves that way. Hence why:

            They are simply exploiting the fact that China’s safety and quality practices leave a lot to be desired.

            For what purpose you ask? Isn’t it obvious? To profit of course. They assume that stupid developing countries don’t know what real quality is and take advantage of distrust in domestic restaurants. It might be trade, but it certainly is not right. That’s what I’m criticizing.

            You have to go after both sides of the transaction, not just one side.

            The selling of petcoke is entirely relevant to this discussion. It is just an example that dangerous quality produce has been knowingly sold by westerners to desperate developing countries like China before. In light of this, it is a perfectly valid opinion that QA here has been inept because Western managers see Chinese customers as cash cows and not human beings.

            I am going for both sides, I’ve criticized the Chinese authorities for allowing dangerous, untested products like GMOs to be sold to their people due to their sad indifference. They should work on prevention, not cure. I criticize the western companies because it is they that are promising quality and failing to deliver it. One stark difference I find between Japanese and Americans is that with the former, quality is very important to them, TQM anyone? They strive towards perfection regardless of the customer base. I find the quality offered by Americans entirely dependent on who the customer is. The former can honor their promises or at least try to, the latter’s only strength is talking big. Knowing white people here, wouldn’t you say many are just like that?

          • One stark difference I find between Japanese and Americans is that with the former, quality is very important to them, TQM anyone?

            wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

          • Kai

            I meant lacklustre, effortless, infrequent QA inspections took place.

            What’s your basis for this? Do you have any evidence to support this? Just because the inspections failed to uncover this supplier’s misdeeds doesn’t mean the inspections weren’t reasonable. Just because you lose a fist fight against someone doesn’t mean you didn’t reasonably put up a fight.

            How else would you explain the reusing of expired meat and McD’s and KFC partnering with shady Shanghai Husi?

            Shanghai Husi reused the expired meat. So far we don’t know if McD’s or KFC had any awareness that they were serving products that contained expired meat. As for using Shanghai Husi as a supplier? Maybe because the OSI Group is a major worldwide meat supplier that provides a product consistently good enough for its customers?

            They have been known for forging expiry dates. So what exactly is quality control doing?http://www.ibtimes.com/shangha

            They were accused of it among other things and a court found insufficient evidence for the claims. Shanghai Husi deceived the court and prosecutors just as it had decieved quality inspection teams. Sometimes bad people get away with bad things but that doesn’t necessarily mean people didn’t do what they reasonably could and thus enjoy a proportionately lower level of culpability.

            The fault is that they should never have trusted such a company in the first place. I mean what type of “quality” chain would pick suppliers without researching on them in the first place?

            That’s unrealistic. People stop trusting companies when the negatives outweigh the positives, when the costs outweigh the benefits. There are very few companies that haven’t been accused of or even at times been guilty of behavior that jeopardizes its trustworthiness. The world goes on. People have to make judgements. Foxconn has done questionable things that have been made very public yet companies continue to use it as a supplier. If KFC and McD terminate Shanghai Husi as a supplier as a result of this scandal, good for them, but it is unrealistic to expect customers to terminate relationships just because of past accusations that were ruled against by the court. It’s also unrealistic to expect customers to not make decisions about probability and whether or not a problematic supplier can be brought in-line. Do you have any idea how business is done in the real world?

            It’s dishonest marketing.

            Only if they know it to be untrue or insufficiently true. Who determines what is “sufficient”?

            Of course not, but at least be honest. This is exactly what I mean, they market themselves this way because they “can” get away with it. Claim to be healthy, safe and quality in Canada, Australia and the good old USA and everyone is going to laugh themselves to death at them. Just say great tasting food instead perhaps?

            I don’t think fast food restaurants really market themself as “healthy”. Both McD and KFC had ad campaigns about the safety of their beef and chicken in response to the beef and chicken news scandals of the time. When consumers are worried about the safety of beef and chicken, and you as a company feel confident that your beef and chicken is safe from the dangers being reported about, of course you’re going to put the word out that consumers can trust you. Otherwise you’re going to lose business to what may be irrational hysteria.

            The fact that China’s food quality standards are not good and there is not much trust in their own products after so many food scares is what emboldens them to market themselves that way. Hence why:

            I don’t see the problem. They have a comparative advantage in this market and they’re using it. That’s Business 101.

            For what purpose you ask? Isn’t it obvious? To profit of course. They assume that stupid developing countries don’t know what real quality is and take advantage of distrust in domestic restaurants. It might be trade, but it certainly is not right. That’s what I’m criticizing.

            I think this characterization is unreasonable. You’re characterizing malice into fairly normal competitive marketing. Both McD and KFC are successful internationalfast food chains because they’re able to deliver products with consistency wherever they are. This doesn’t just mean consistency of offerings and taste but also quality. You make it sound like they’re intentionally delivering inferior quality products to rip off the gullible ignorance consumers of developing countries.

            That’s not really true, though Shanghai Husi can be accused of that since they allegedly reserved expired meat only for deliveries to local markets. When McD launched its advertising campaign in China about how its beef is “100% beef”, some people were saying how the beef McD was sourcing and serving in China was actually of a higher regulatory standard than what they were sourcing and serving in the United States.

            Both McD and KFC have internal standards they seek to comply with AND the standards required by the local market. You can criticize them when they fail to do so, but you’re not doing so. You’re criticizing them for something they reasonably may not have been aware and may not reasonably be expected to have been aware of. Again, just because you lose a fist fight doesn’t mean you didn’t reasonably put up a fight.

            The selling of petcoke is entirely relevant to this discussion. It is just an example that dangerous quality produce has been knowingly sold by westerners to desperate developing countries like China before. In light of this, it is a perfectly valid opinion that QA here has been inept because Western managers see Chinese customers as cash cows and not human beings.

            And you don’t know if Westerners “knowingly sold” meat products made with recycled expired meat to “desperate developing countries” in this case. What we have here is a local Chinese plant operated mostly by local Chinese that is owned and ultimately managed by Westerners who supplied dangerous quality products to both Western and local Chinese companies in China (not sure if it supplied abroad also).

            As I’ve said before, the Western management ultimately is also responsible for the misbehavior of its employees, even if it wasn’t aware of it, but that blame is still indirect compared to the direct blame owed to those who knowingly or condoned the misbehavior. You cannot accuse “Westerners” of “knowingly sold” until you prove that they “knew”. You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. Petcoke is irrelevant until you can demonstrate sufficient similarity, and you haven’t. All you’re doing is conflating.

            In light of this, it is a perfectly valid opinion that QA here has been inept because Western managers see Chinese customers as cash cows and not human beings.

            If you want to make this accusation, you need specific targets and specific proof applicable to them, not just general prejudice.

            I am going for both sides, I’ve criticized the Chinese authorities for allowing dangerous, untested products like GMOs to be sold to their people due to their sad indifference. They should work on prevention, not cure. I criticize the western companies because it is they that are promising quality and failing to deliver it.

            Not quite what I meant. I hope I made it clear above that you are misrepresenting the situation and your misrepresentations seem to be biased towards how you represent Western companies and Westerners.

            Knowing white people here, wouldn’t you say many are just like that?

            Jesus Christ. I can’t handle your idiocy anymore. I’m going to ignore until I recover. You’ve worn out my patience.

      • ex-expat

        Lol the pigs in Shanghai? Give me a break, that is completely irrelevant to my point. My point is that Western companies are consistently, unfairly targeted in China. You know it, I know it, the whole world knows it.

        • Kai

          No, it isn’t, because one of the first things Chinese netizens and the public thought of was whether or not these pigs would enter the food supply by unscrupulous businesses. Just because you aren’t aware of or don’t remember the undercover investigations of Chinese suppliers for Chinese restaurants doesn’t mean they don’t happen.

          That said, I agree with your point that Western companies are often unfairly targeted in China. HER POINT, however, is that there’s a HUGE amount of public scrutiny and distrust about Chinese companies as well. In fact, there is a LOT MORE public scrutiny and distrust about Chinese companies and restaurants than Western. If you understand Chinese, the news report alludes to this pervasive public perception that famous international Western restaurants can be relied on to provide safer food.

          You asked a question and she answered. You made a point and she made one too relevant to providing context to your point. Was that wrong of her to do?

          • Irvin

            It’s hard for a lot of us to admit to our mistakes and some of us even go the extra length to defend our positions even though we know we’re wrong.

            But most of the time is just a lack of comprehension. Just because we went to english class doesn’t mean we all pass the exams. :)

          • ex-expat

            The discovery of the pigs in Shanghai was not a result of an undercover investigation. My question, which was at least partially rhetorical, was “where are the undercover investigations?”

            “Just because you aren’t aware of or don’t remember the undercover investigations of Chinese suppliers for Chinese restaurants doesn’t mean they don’t happen.”

            I agree, though even if they happen on a frequent basis, I can’t recall any that have been presented in the same way as the above and previous ones regarding Western companies. Please feel free to prove me wrong, as I hope you remember from previous exchanges that I have no problem admitting I made a mistake.

            Now, I don’t dispute the fact that the Chinese public generally regards Western food sources as safer, and that there is a lot of scrutiny on Chinese suppliers, and never claimed otherwise, which is why I see Fauna’s links as irrelevant. My main issue is pertaining to the treatment of Western companies in China (which I am glad that you agree with). As Fauna mentioned, Shanghai Fuxi supplies to Chinese restaurants, but I am not sure that this all would have played out the in the same way, or even happened in the first place, had Shanghai Fuxi not supplied numerous Western restaurants. This just adds to my general anger towards how things are conducted on the mainland.

          • Kai

            No one said the discovery of the pigs was a result of an undercover investigation. She was alluding to investigations done after the pigs were cleared away because people worried that they would make it into the food supply. You can be forgiven for not knowing about that because you don’t follow Chinese news but that’s why she posted it. All of the links she posted either involve or relate to incidents where investigations–undercover or otherwise–into suppliers to Chinese restaurants occurred, which is what you asked about.

            I agree, though even if they happen on a frequent basis, I can’t recall any that have been presented in the same way as the above and previous ones regarding Western companies.

            You either don’t notice or don’t remember them.

            Now, I don’t dispute the fact that the Chinese public generally regards Western food sources as safer, and that there is a lot of scrutiny on Chinese suppliers, and never claimed otherwise,

            I think Fauna interpreted your partially rhetorical question to be claiming or at least suggesting otherwise. She wasn’t the ony one.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      There are actually many underground investigations of poor food products, even on CCTV (though not usually originating there). However, as a Chinese official once told me, it is far from the muckraking of the early 1900s as it rarely goes beyond low level food manufacturers and infrastructure corruption deals as press controls will prevent it (no such limits to foreign products, however).
      Either way, even if they can’t fully self-reflect without another western scapegoat popping up, i hope this form of journalism gets more popoular and causes real pressure on the leadership.

  • Dr Sun

    Guess who owns this company ?

    Hormel Foods Co. USA

    • Dick Leigh

      Which is why it was targeted by the CCTV.

      “Honest” Chinese companies are losing out to Foreign competition that provide better quality food. How do you beat that? Make Foreigners look bad and remind the Chinese companies to pay their bribes, or else.

      • WFH

        right..since it’s a malicious attack on Hormel, they should be given a pass…

      • ijbz

        and Chinese companies like Huawei are banned from the US Market for the ‘national security’ reason.. as if China is the only country doing it.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      I believe that is the point of the article, tho pointing to mcdonalds and KFC first is more likely to raise eyebrows bc people actually know what that is.

      • Alphy

        There are plenty of local companies that also uses their food. I am sure there’s anti-foreign reason in this targeting, but I am glad they did it, as I ate from these places before and would only serve to improve their food safety.

        China seriously need to step up food safety inspection on all level and somehow put a stop to this systematic issue. It’s going to take a lot to regain trust, simply making domestic foreign food company look bad is not going to help much.

    • 500,000,000 years of history

      Hormel should be shut down.

  • pink panda

    do not eat american junk food made by american junk!

    • Kai

      But its so comforting…

      • whuddyasack

        So comforting to die an early death? Trust me, a friend of mine ate at McDonald’s and ended up with food poisoning for a whole week. And this happened in Canada, a country with far better food safety controls than China. Stay away from junk and you’re better off cooking your own meals ;-)

        • Kai

          Why live so long?

          I embarrassingly eat McDonald’s too often and I haven’t had food poisoning that I can remember. The most serious food poisoning I ever had was at Vegas, probably from some buffet. Boy did that do a number on me. Think geysering out of both ends.

          I seriously think I often end up at McDonald’s or fast food places for comfort food because I need comforting after slogging through what is too often incredibly demoralizing behavior on cS.

          Since your behavior is often among those demoralizing me, you are indirectly contributing to my early death.

          I will haunt you.

          • whuddyasack

            I agree living long while being unhealthy is awful. Think of all the proposals supporting euthanasia in recent times. But eating healthy means living healthily and that’s what we should all aim for in life ;-)

            Geysering out both ends! Ohmigoodness, that’s a vivid description you have there. I’ve honestly learnt that the best meals are the ones you cook yourself. They say the way to a man’s heart is through the stomach but I say that’s also the way to a woman’s heart. My girlfriend absolutely loves the fact I cook “good food” (according to her haha).

            Ahh yes, comfort food. It was probably tongue in cheek, but I enjoy ironies and I might as well take the discussion into more serious territory. When I visited Detroit and rural Australia, my impression of the people eating in KFC and McDonald’s is that they are sad people. It surprised me in an ironic way when you mentioned fast food being your comfort food haha. Déjà vu?

            That said, comments on cS and the shanghaiist (admittedly worse) can be very demoralizing to most people. I’ve had many of my friends tell me personally that the sadistic bashing encountered here is unpalatable, and some of them are white. Many females among them, so if you ever wonder why there’s too much testosterone on these sites, that could be one reason why. Personally, I’ve become immune to demoralization but then again I can’t really feel demoralized by people I see as less than flies. You think cS and shanghaiist are bad? At least we expect negativity and bile here. IMO, the Global Times, topix, CNN and thediplomat are much worse. Check out this one. .http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/367098/japan-officially-enters-cold-war-china-and-korea-michael-auslin#comment-1205491303 Keep in mind these people aren’t even Japanese and NO JAPANESE would ever take pride in killing and raping others. They are far too classy for that. It is a totally a white thing and an abuse of freedom of speech. POS trolled with that question but for me it is an honest question… why such disgusting comments from white Americans? And why the hell dish it out on Koreans too?

            Ok, I’ll admit I’m not the best example and I probably will be the very reason you finally “find peace”. But I don’t think I have ever abused you just yet. Although I was planning to offer you constructive criticism earlier and that might hurt. Yes, I’m sure I will be haunted by your vengeful spirit. Have you watched Ju-on yet? The Japanese versions of course.

          • Dr Sun

            Dont worry Kai & Woody no matter how badly or good you live you will be recycled by hormel, Smiths or one one other of the U.S food processors.

          • Kai

            Yeah, I’m aware of a lot of people who have a very bad impression of our comment section.

            You can abuse me if you want, just be prepared for me to call you on any bullshit you try throwing at me. I will defend myself against criticism that I don’t think is valid.

            I think I saw the original Ju-on (the first one? The Grudge?).

          • Probotector

            That was a good movie.

          • Kai

            Edit: OOPS, I thought this was a reply to another comment where I referenced a movie. Ju-on was okay.

          • whuddyasack

            They do and IMO people like them could have very positive contributions. Even the voices of reason here find the constant China bashing and putdowns tiring. Some of them also regularly post in the shanghaiist and overall have good impressions on this site. One of my problems with you is that you are targeting the wrong people and also respecting the wrong ones. And your overall views of them cloud your judgment. You are supposed to look at individual posts, not factor in your overall impression of them.

            You waste your time on regular posters (relatively inoffensive posters) like Rick, BiggJ (whatever his name was) and Probopass while praising posters like ex-expat(basically different name, same thing). I don’t find any of them racist, not even malicious. Look, Ricky McSourgrapes got thumped by Fabulous hard.

            I realize I’m not “helping the situation” so to speak but here’s what you never see. During articles that could lead to potential conflict, like when the Philippines was heartlessly mocked by Chinese netizens, I stood in to defend the Filipinos. I tried my best to prevent any fights from getting out of control and tried to persuade others from bashing the victims. The same with articles relating to Japan, before I entered the fray I’m sure most Chinese (and fake Chinese) would ceaselessly dribble on and on overtly insulting the Japanese. But I think I managed to change some minds and had good success in overtly nationalistic portals like Global Times. The reason is because I know what Japanese, Filipinos, Vietnamese, and Asians are really like and what motivates. Basically, I just intuitively understand the inside-out of every racial group and how best to respond to them. There is just so much more you don’t know about me. I am helping, you don’t see it. What frustrates me most is that if I were in your position, controlling various situations is child’s play. Believe me, solutions are simple.

            Yes, the first one Ju-on: the Curse (2000). I think the Grudge starring Sarah Michelle Gellar was an American remake. Your talk of vengeful spirits reminds me of just that.

          • I don’t see how what you’re doing is any better than white nationalists who try to convince “mainstream whites” that their nationality differences don’t matter and that they should instead all see themselves as first and foremost white. So while regular white Russians vs white Americans vs white Britons/Canadians/Australians are all hating on each other, these white nationalists are trying to concoct a fictional sense of racial solidarity amongst all these factionalized peoples so as to unite them in their bigoted vendetta against non-whites. Sorry, but that is not “helping”––not mankind, at least.

            What you do with various Asian groups that you consider to be part of your racial “in-group” is what Kai is doing with ALL groups, regardless of their racial background, which indicates that he is not merely acting in his own racial self-interest but rather acting in enlightened human interest. At worst, you can accuse him of acting in “special” (adj. of species) self-interest, but I have not seen him talk trash about gazelles the way you talk trash about whites. If I ever see him trash-talking meerkats, I’ll be sure to call him out on that, too.

          • Kai

            Fuck the meekrats.

          • whuddyasack

            Matt, I currently dislike the way some Asians are self-hating. I dislike that they fight among themselves. In some cases, conflict is unavoidable while in others this is avoidable if they opened up their hearts. Yet in Canada, America, Australia, etc. Asians are capable of being the closest of friends and I’ve seen many Koreans, Japanese and Chinese getting along far more often than I’ve seen them interact with non-Asians. If you’ve seen the free hugs project or watched World Order’s video, then you would understand. Isn’t solidarity and unity a great thing? I’ve told you once and I’ll tell you again, we must learn to love and embrace each other before we can think of others.

            America is the big house divided and my American friends suggest it is time for states to be racially segregated. Asians like everyone else could really benefit from this, less crime, higher income/education, less violence and abuse from jealous no-lifers.

            While Kai’s purposes and intentions are noble he is what we can call the dreamer. Enlightened but not pragmatic. What is the use? I thought just like him once upon a time before realizing the futility of it all. We can learn to coexist and tolerate each other but let’s stop dreaming about racial harmony/equality/justice.
            There was a man who used to share those same dreams, who boldly proclaimed to have a dream. And was he not murdered? What inroads did he make since then? Racial relations have been deteriorating in America, which is why I think it’s time they stopped immigration altogether.

          • Yes, solidarity and unity is a great thing. We must indeed learn to love and embrace each other. Unfortunately, you can’t comprehend that “each other” includes our entire species, not just the members who happen to look like you.

            You’ve acquired an odd bunch of American friends. Where I live, if you were to tell others you think America should be racially segregated, they’d (rightfully) look at you like you’re some sort of freakish monster. What part of 43% of white Americans voting for Obama leads you to believe they’re racially clannish and support segregation? It sounds to me like you’re spending time in the wrong bubbles and with the wrong sorts of people. Just because you’ve somehow managed to befriend a bunch of folks with eccentric beliefs does not mean their eccentric beliefs represent the mainstream public. The notion that “the only westerners who believe in pro-equality and diversity are misguided westernized Asians” is utterly ludicrous. Only someone who lives in an intellectual bubble could possibly think that.

            The fact is, your pan-Asianism is every bit as idealistic as pan-humanism. I could equally say the same of your endeavor:

            While your purposes and intentions are noble, you are what we can call the dreamer. Enlightened but not pragmatic. What is the use? I thought just like you once upon a time before realizing the futility of it all. We can learn to coexist and tolerate each other but let’s stop dreaming about international harmony/equality/justice.

            There was a man who used to share those same dreams, who boldly proclaimed to have a dream. And was he not murdered? What inroads did he make since then? International relations have been deteriorating in Asia, which is why I think it’s time they stopped diplomacy efforts altogether.

            You can’t knock Kai and myself for being idealistic when you’re trying to bring peace and solidarity to one of the most viciously nationalistic and antagonistic regions on earth.

          • whuddyasack

            To love others, you must first love yourselves. A very simple principle and one that holds a lot of truth today.

            Whites are racially clannish because when you look at comments all over the “American” internet, everything is tied down to race, everything is politically correct. Also why don’t you look at your border and see how non-clannish white Americans treat Mexican illegals. Of course they aren’t supposed to hop the border but that doesn’t mean they should be treated and viewed as less than human either (see CNN commentary). What’s truly disgusting is not one white American ever speaks up against this because their own can do no wrong.

            You’ve acquired an odd bunch of American friends.

            Friends who’ve given up on racial harmony and finally agreed that “white nationalists” might have been right all along. They are tired of the constant bickering, violence and injustice often committed by Blacks against them, think immigration only leads to more conflicts and want to live a life of peace where “race” is no longer such an issue. I don’t necessarily agree, but seeing the rampant abuse and infighting in America who can blame them? Have you honestly never been victimized in America? Maybe you haven’t but you really don’t know anyone who’s been abused because of their race? I know heaps and I’m not even American. Westernized Asians are the only ones who stick to liberal viewpoints, priding themselves in being non-discriminatory and well, we have Kai, you, and countless others. I used to feel some sense of pride that most Asian Americans felt “proud and honored” for sticking up for Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc. joining civil rights movements and supporting affirmative action despite it being so detrimental to themselves. I still do but there’s also this feeling that you are just being used, i.e. are fools.

            Pan-Asianism or whatever it’s called is not idealistic. It’s entirely possible, it’s happening even without China. I’ve seen relations between Asians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc. go very smoothly because nationalists aside, deep down these people long for the same thing, peace. They all do and neither C, J or K actually craves for blood the way western media likes to portray them. I don’t think many white Americans share the same values, as far as they’re concerned their “friends” are set and they are only really interested in how “far above everyone else they are”. How else can you explain this homie’s disturbing commentary http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/367098/japan-officially-enters-cold-war-china-and-korea-michael-auslin#comment-1205491303?

            America is the house divided. I’ve told Kai this for the umpteenth time and I’m telling you the same. Hope it gets through to you to stop being so hopeful. America is becoming more hostile, not less.

          • Kai

            I don’t think I “target” anyone. I’m pretty consistent in voicing what I find objectionable, regardless of who is guilty of it.

            I don’t think I “respect” the wrong people either. How am I “respecting” these people anyway? I try to maintain a basic level of common respect for everyone until they lose it. Even when they’ve lost my respect, I avoid letting my past disagreements with them color my appreciation for anything they may say later that I find intelligent or agreeable. In other words, I avoid holding grudges.

            What exactly are my “overall views of them” that is clouding my judgement? And who is “them” anyway?

            I do look at individual posts and often one can more accurately interpret and understand an individual post when one has an overall impression of the person making it. What people SHOULDN’T do is dismiss valid criticism of an individual post just because one feels some sort of affinity or association with that person or other irrelevant things that person has said elsewhere. That’s bias.

            You waste your time on regular posters (relatively inoffensive posters) like Rick, BiggJ (whatever his name was) and Probopass while praising posters like ex-expat(basically different name, same thing).

            I disagree. I’ve had very long and intense arguments with ex-expat in the past and I still have them. I didn’t “praise” him, I shared with him an honest opinion I have of him. He was sincere and earnest with me and that deserves me being sincere and earnest in return. He is very keenly aware of many things I’ve been critical of him about. That he can be sincere and earnest with me despite our past disagreements is a mark of maturity, of being able to set aside petty grievances and rise above our differences. If he can consistently be do that, we may disagree vociferously about things but still have a decent base amount of mutual respect. That’s a GOOD thing.

            BiggJ is another guy whom I’ve disagreed with and been critical of for good reasons but who has also been able to self-reflect and be sincere and earnest about himself and our disagreements.

            Rick and Probotector, not so much, but whatever my disagreements with them about their comments, predispostions, or even personalities, I avoid letting that color everything they say. I get frustrated with their obstinancy but I don’t think they can’t be reasoned with. I’d rather reason with people who can be reasoned with than with people who can’t be reasoned with. The latter would be such a waste of time, and they often sabotage themselves anyway. Many would say you’re one of them.

            Look, Ricky McSourgrapes got thumped by Fabulous hard.

            This kind of behavior is hella childish.

            but here’s what you never see.

            …and what makes you think I “never” see these?

            Basically, I just intuitively understand the inside-out of every racial group and how best to respond to them.

            Dear God.

            There is just so much more you don’t know about me. I am helping, you don’t see it.

            Wrong. I never said you have never helped. I’ve even pointed out completely innocuous and even well-intentioned comments by you to Probotector to defend the parts of you that are defensible. What I also do is criticize you for the parts of you that are indefensible. In other words, I’m being extremely fair to you, a fairness that others think is utterly wasted on you. People think you are my “Asian brutha” and that I’ve never criticized you and that shows how I’m biased. That they conveniently forget how much I criticize you reveals their own prejudice. That you think I unfairly criticize you reveals your prejudice.

            What frustrates me most is that if I were in your position, controlling various situations is child’s play. Believe me, solutions are simple.

            Sure, but you and I have very different goals based on possibly very different ideals.

            Yes, the first one Ju-on: the Curse (2000). I think the Grudge starring Sarah Michelle Gellar was an American remake. Your talk of vengeful spirits reminds me of just that.

            Yeah, I saw both. I think back then, the original Japanese version was also known as “The Grudge” in English. I think “The Curse” became its translation later.

          • whuddyasack

            I’ll be the first to admit that you and the rest of the cS staff have been very fair and lenient on me but let’s get down to business, shall we?

            And who is “them” anyway?

            Ex-expat is one of “them”. I don’t see what you see in him, it’s clear he is an “American fenqing”. Apparently, you must “support” the American side while being abused by white homies. There’s this other guy who starts with P and is a real you know what. Why is his “spam” still there? Come on, with a username like Sino-sociopathy? I’m stating my opinions, he’s just starting shit, good ole Chinese wacism strikes again haha. Just to let you know, I don’t hate anyone here but that guy seriously hates all Chinese, including you. Clear as day. This is exactly what I mean by you targeting the wrong people. You kowtow to your haters, don’t do this for those who see you as less than equal. Show them who’s boss, please.

            Many would say you’re one of them.

            The difference is I’ve proven to be the bigger person on more than one occasion. I’m not that inflexible and can at least admit to a mistake. My critics cannot. If I do see discrimination happen against “races” that I antagonize (/sarcasm) and no one stands up for them, I would. To date, I’ve never abused a single female poster because I know it’s not nice while these so called “casanovas” repeatedly bash them posters mercilessly for having a different opinion to their own. It’s called being consistent and having values, how can I ever show respect to those that aren’t even decent human beings? The most impressive thing you’ve done to date is stand up for murasaki when she felt uncomfortable and told the guy off. Pat yourself on the back. That was a job well done and I mean it.

            Sure, but you and I have very different goals based on possibly very different ideals.

            Yes, but you are voluntarily tolerating abuse when the obvious deterrent among your critics is fear. They don’t respect you so they walk all over you.

            Dear God.

            Why? Am I not right here? Have you ever read the Filipino, Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, Vietnamese portals? Do you know that these people have a thing called respect for the disadvantaged and disaster victims? Kind of like most Chinese really. You see, they at least can separate people from government. And many of them are legitimately reactionary because Chinese racists attack them first. All they really want is respect and fairness and most are inherently good people. White posters are not reactionary, they are provocative and they obviously need to inflate their useless egos. One simply does not expect the same from the two groups, they are like night and day. Besides, which group is the violent one? Not Asians.

            Yeah, I saw both. I think back then, the original Japanese version was also known as “The Grudge” in English. I think “The Curse” became its translation later.

            I see, something lighthearted for a change but there are still lots of unnecessary burdens we need to throw out. ;-P

          • “All they really want is respect and fairness and most are inherently good people.”

            I hope one day you’ll have the wisdom to realize that the “they” that renders this statement true is “humans”. It’s sad that you so frequently come so close to the truth and yet let it evade you due to your insistence on defining people by their genetics or appearance.

            I suppose your whites-are-violent hypothesis would imply I’m 50% violent and 50% peaceful. Then again, your hypothesis would also imply that the Imperial Japanese were either 100% white or 100% peaceful. Perhaps you don’t consider the Nanking Massacre to have been violent, or perhaps you’ve managed to concoct some anthropological theory about how Caucasoid Ainu genes have polluted the pure Mongoloid genetics of the Japanese and caused them to become so violent. Perhaps Caucasoid genes are also to blame for the horrifying violence levied by the Khmer Rouge, the Mongolian Empire, and the brutal dictatorships that have variously sprung up in Korean and China (including Taiwan). Either that, or perhaps killing political dissenters and/or massacring civilians isn’t considered violent by your standards.

          • whuddyasack

            Whites are violent, more than Asians, less than Blacks. What we usually do is take away random and environmental factors such as poverty, dictatorships or war when comparing the civility of a race. This would mean comparing a developed Western country like Sweden, Canada, America against similarly developed Asian or any other nation. What we can see is that the west isn’t on par with countries like Japan, SK, Singapore, HK, Macao, etc. when it comes to a lack of violent crime. Developed Asian countries don’t produce this:
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694204/Police-blitz-paedophiles-leads-arrest-660-suspects-including-doctors-teachers-Scout-leaders-care-workers.html?offset=200&max=100&jumpTo=comment-59218556#comment-59218556

            Even China, despite all its poverty and corruption has a fewer proportion of violent criminals than America. We can go one step further and study crime patterns in Black, White and Asian Americans. Who leads in violent crimes? Which one is the most civil?

            For the record, you are 100% civil and intelligent. Much more than many. It’s those that have grudges and actively harm and shoot Jews and Asians for being different that aren’t. How can you tolerate the daily abuse thrown at your people and not look down on those savages responsible is beyond me. Pure madness.

            No, it wasn’t Ainu genetics that caused Japan to be so violent. Caucasian/negroid genes are not to blame for the atrocities and brutal dictatorships all across Asia. A land plagued by drought, natural disasters, poverty, war and crazed ideologies is what is ultimately responsible for the evils that occur there. Is the Middle East any better? Anyone living under repressive regimes would suffer endless violence, but these dictators do not represent the people. Compared to what continental Asians have to go through, Greeks are lucky people yet they riot with great violence and hate.

            I hope one day you’ll have the wisdom to realize that the “they” that renders this statement true is “humans”.

            The truth is this is one thing I wish to be proven wrong in. I’ve just been repeatedly disappointed and learned never to get my hopes up too high. Yes, I accuse others of being idealistic dreamers but I too am one.

          • Kai

            Ex-expat is one of “them”. I don’t see what you see in him, it’s clear he is an “American fenqing”. Apparently, you must “support” the American side while being abused by white homies.

            You either have selective reading or you have a selective memory. My impression of him is naturally based on everything I have seen of him. You might not have read every single thing I’ve read of him or every single interaction I’ve had with (or, like I said, remember them at this moment). You are also not me, so we’re naturally going to differ in other ways as well.

            The thing is, you make it sound like I fawn over the guy. How can anyone see the long, critical arguments I’ve had with him consistently throughout the past and think I fawn over the guy? In a moment of self-reflection, the guy tried to have a heart-to-heart with me about why he’s often so anti-China/Chinese and professes that he wasn’t always like this. He asked me how I can remain so positive given how he hasn’t been able to. He said this without attacking me or anyone else. It was earnest and sincere.

            In other words, he wasn’t behaving like an unrepentant bigot.

            And that’s why I said he isn’t one of those.

            Yeah, that’s praise, but it’s appropriate and at least so far valid. Sure, his behavior in the past and maybe his behavior often IS like that of an “American fenqing”, but that doesn’t mean this instance of self-reflection, earnest, and sincerity is necessarily false and undeserving of recognition (and reciprocation).

            After all the arguments we’ve had about his anti-Chineseness in the past, ex-expat had a moment where he felt he owed me an explanation. If nothing else, SOMETHING I’ve said has gotten through and resonated with SOME part of him. I did my best to reach out to him in that moment, to share my perspective in a moment where he might be most receptive, in the hopes that it might influence him and his behavior for the better, to help him understand that those who criticize him aren’t necessarily apologists but simply see things differently for good reason, who may see a bigger picture, and who aspire to ideals that he may realize he too agrees with and wants to embody.

            Old habits die hard. Prejudices die hard too, especially if you’re regularly subjected or exposed to negative reinforcement. So maybe the odds of ex-expat hanging up his “American fenqing” ways are low, but maybe they aren’t. If I try to be a decent human being in response to his “American fenqing” behavior, why shouldn’t I also be a decent human being in response to him being a decent human being?

            Apparently, you must “support” the American side while being abused by white homies.

            And the problem with this is…? I can also be characterized as “supporting” the Chinese side while being abused by Chinese homies.

            There’s this other guy who starts with P and is a real you know what. Why is his “spam” still there?

            There are two commenters with screen names that start with P that I can think of you referring to. Which one? POS is already banned and we delete his comments whenever we catch him circumventing his ban. Probotector’s comments don’t qualify as “spam”. You must be misusing the word “spam” like how others misuse the word “trolling”.

            Come on, with a username like Sino-sociopathy?

            What about it? It and his comments abundantly reveals his prejudices, but how was his comments a violation of our comment policy?

            I’m stating my opinions, he’s just starting shit,

            Both could be said about both of you.

            Just to let you know, I don’t hate anyone here but that guy seriously hates all Chinese, including you. Clear as day.

            Yes, I suspect as much about him, and that only makes him that much more pathetic. So what?

            You may not hate anyone but you have a habit of name-dropping people you apparently don’t hate but seemingly have a grudge against.

            This is exactly what I mean by you targeting the wrong people. You kowtow to your haters, don’t do this for those who see you as less than equal.

            WTF? How the hell do I kowtow to my haters? I don’t supplicate myself to my haters. I defend myself, refute them, and try to be the better, more mature man in it all.

            There’s an argument for ignoring your haters, for not wasting your time on them. THAT I know. I do that with some, with the unrepentant bigots. I’m not going to treat all of my “haters” the same way because they are not all the same.

            Show them who’s boss, please.

            I think I do. “Boss” apparently means a very different thing to you. I think thoroughly refuting their accusations and exposing their real gripes with me is more effective and thus more “showing them who’s boss” than simply flaming them back, calling them names, or betraying our comment policy by banning/deleting them for simply not liking me. I’m not going to give them the satisfaction of lowering myself to their level. That’s how I prevail. That’s how I “show them who’s boss”. By being the adult.

            The difference is I’ve proven to be the bigger person on more than one occasion. I’m not that inflexible and can at least admit to a mistake. My critics cannot.

            I’m one of your critics. Matt is too. Many of your critics have admitted to mistakes in the past. Many of them haven’t even made mistakes they need to admit to because they avoided making them. Yes, some of your critics who also happen to be the people you and I are both critical of consistently demonstrate they cannot rise above, cannot admit their mistakes, and are stubborn and obstinate. You can be characterized in the same way.

            You cannot rise above petty racism, as demonstrated by how often your comments are polluted with objectionable remarks about white and black people. You don’t think your whole fighting fire with fire schtick is a mistake and you obstinately refuse to change this behavior of yours, refusing to see how it lowers you to the same level as those you rail against as white racists.

            There are moments you have admitted mistake and have tried to be the better man, but you are far from consistent in this. You regularly sabotage yourself and undermine whatever credibility you managed to earn from those moments where you admit mistake or try to be the better man. Your “good” moments should be acknowledged, but the fact that your bad moments undermine your overall credibility has to be recognized.

            To date, I’ve never abused a single female poster because I know it’s not nice while these so called “casanovas” repeatedly bash them posters mercilessly for having a different opinion to their own.

            You shouldn’t abuse anyone period. You also shouldn’t be sexist. If a female commenter says something stupid, it is still stupid and deserving of censure. Her gender has nothing to do with stupidity or disagreement over opinions.

            how can I ever show respect to those that aren’t even decent human beings?

            You don’t have to respect those who aren’t decent human beings. You have to recognize when you’re not being a decent human being yourself.

            The most impressive thing you’ve done to date is stand up for murasaki when she felt uncomfortable and told the guy off. Pat yourself on the back. That was a job well done and I mean it.

            Wow, you have a very low bar for being impressed. I was hoping it’d be something like defending Rick or you when you guys are being unfairly criticized even though I generally butt heads with you guys. I’d even take upvoting good comments made by people whom I normally expect bad comments from because I can recognize the good from the bad without letting the bad prejudice me unfairly against them. I was hoping it’d be something like my consistency and impartiality when it comes to things I find objectionable.

            Yes, but you are voluntarily tolerating abuse when the obvious deterrent among your critics is fear. They don’t respect you so they walk all over you.

            That may be true, but I’m not going to compromise my principles. I’d rather Ned Stark it. I don’t think fear gets true respect, and the respect you do get may come at a cost of losing the respect of those you value more.

            Why? Am I not right here?

            No, you’re not right, you’re deluded. You generalize individuals into racial groups and then believe you “intuitively understand” everything there is to know about them and how to “best to respond to them.” The idiocy of such a claim is so mind-boggingly deluded I don’t even know where to start and must use the Lord’s name in vain.

            White posters are not reactionary, they are provocative and they obviously need to inflate their useless egos.

            SOME white posters are, just as SOME Asian posters are likewise. You’re the idiot generalizing the behavior of some onto a whole.

            One simply does not expect the same from the two groups, they are like night and day.

            No, that’s just prejudice speaking.

            Besides, which group is the violent one? Not Asians.

            You’ve got to be kidding me.

          • ex-expat

            Thank you for the kind words, Kai. Yes, we have often disagreed in the past (and there is nothing inherently wrong with that). Your posts, from time to time, have caused me to be more introspective, and see you in a different light than I did initially, which is a good thing.

            I do want to make something clear, however, if I haven’t in the past: When I make China/Chinese comments, it never has anything to do with race. The CCP and people on the mainland just happen to be Chinese, and that has no bearing on my attitude towards a large portion of that society.

            I will lose no sleep over Whuddyasack’s feelings towards me, though I am surprised he considers me one of the worst on this site. I have never made any kind of racist comments towards Asians or anyone else, and certainly don’t harbor those feelings. Am I guilty of venting? Yes, but I can live with that. And yes, I do love my country, that is not a secret, but I am well aware of its flaws, and certainly don’t love everything about it.

          • whuddyasack

            he
            wasn’t always like this. He asked me how I can remain so positive given
            how he hasn’t been able to.

            I’m not the only one with this experience, some past members have also voiced this out and perhaps in the future more will. I wasn’t always like this either, while I’ve always had a love for people when I was a child, I especially liked everyone equally. When I started to grow up, I couldn’t understand why gangs of white Canadians would pick on much smaller groups of native Canadians (and still lose because they’re just inherent cowards that pick only on the defenseless). Fast forward a few years and I still remained hopeful and believed in the liberal, we are all equal pro-equality bullcrap that almost every other Asian American is fed and believes in. Yes, even while being exposed to news of Muslim and Black thugs creating chaos, and white Americans and Canadians rioting over hockey games. I noticed the media never used white Canadians/Americans but pictures, videos and once even witnessing the ugly scenes in real life don’t lie. They stick to you for life.

            Have you ever experienced racism? While it’s true that not once in my life have I ever experienced it, I knew many people who were attacked, beaten, mugged, bullied and raped because they were Asian (and thus soft targets). I’ve always talked about that disgusting event in my life, with the lecherous academic and the Japanese students. Well, that was the first time I realized what a bunch of useless talk-big cowards white men can really be especially when I had to step up and prevent further molestation and groping myself. Got the prick, “hairy” prick fired eventually. So every time I come across the Asian/Chinese men have no balls, or “don juan” stories here of course I have to raise my eyebrows and think wtf? They and introspection, they don’t mix.

            It was earnest and sincere.

            I am being honest and sincere. How come you don’t see things my way? After all that’s happened, after all that is going on, don’t you think you’re dreaming of an unachievable utopia? It takes two to tango and there’s no way that non-Asians will EVER give up their clannishness.

            I can also be characterized as “supporting” the Chinese side while being abused by Chinese homies.

            Who is abusing you? I certainly am not the way POS, ex-expat, reptilian, doodles76, wa (wawa crybaby), and poop err.. moop are. BTW, I don’t rail against “white racists”, I barely even use the word. To me they’re just a bunch of valueless losers who talk crap online. However, criminals like the ones in this story or the Melbourne hobo killer are “thugs”, they can’t be anything else:
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713901/A-picture-dignity-Chinese-family-murdered-USC-student-lead-touching-memorial-son-yards-beaten-death-senseless-teen-bat-attack.html

          • Kai

            I am being honest and sincere. How come you don’t see things my way?

            I don’t know why you expect me to see things your way just because you’re “honest and sincere”. It’s not like I see things ex-expat’s way just because I felt he was earnest and sincere in a comment.

            After all that’s happened, after all that is going on, don’t you think you’re dreaming of an unachievable utopia?

            Fighting for the unachievable beats resigning oneself to being an idiot. At least in my book.

            It takes two to tango and there’s no way that non-Asians will EVER give up their clannishness.

            Yes, it takes two to tango. So stop tangoing.

            BTW, I don’t rail against “white racists”, I barely even use the word.

            Right, you can be characterized as railing against white people in general…which is worse than just railing against white racists.

          • whuddyasack

            Fighting for the unachievable beats resigning oneself to being an idiot. At least in my book.

            Give it a few years and you’d probably come to agree with what I’ve been saying all along. These things could happen to anyone of us and our loved ones, and if you ever do have children always remember to keep them safe. Especially in Euromerica. All it takes is for them to meet one disgusting thug, almost always non-Asian and you’re whole life will turn upside down like the recent USC slaying.

            Say, wasn’t I right about pathetic braindead whiners calling for me to be banned because “wacism”? Well, fuck them. Honestly, do as you see fit.

          • whuddyasack

            It isn’t hatred Kai. It’s something else. Disgust and nausea.

            Which one?

            POS. He came back as sino-sociopathy (come on, he really isn’t that hard to spot is he?) A name like that is generalizing the state of mind of an entire nation, isn’t it? I might as well change my name to “Big Laowai thug”, “hairy, stinky pedo” or “Big-nosed problem” then. He posted the same comment twice in two different topics, the first one was the one about Yi children. He wanted you to translate his crap obviously because he wanted to start an “Us vs You” discussion which I have no problems with it really was a free-for-all and not regress to a bunch of white losers whining and crying about one person’s “wacism”.

            Her gender has nothing to do with stupidity or disagreement over opinions.

            Correct, but remember how the whole Suey Park debacle degenerated? It turned to a complete mess with rape and death threats, and various insults thrown at her race and gender. They talked and behaved like total animals. Asians really are the easiest people to abuse and gang up on, aren’t they? If an East Asian country did the same thing, you’d hear about it to no end, e.g. POS complaint of Chinese racism. Sometimes, some insults with inappropriate language targeted at a woman’s gender, sexuality or physiology is wrong no matter what. Criticize the thought or action, not the person’s age, gender, etc.

            Wow, you have a very low bar for being impressed.

            Personally, it is very high. I’ve always admired your patience, consistency and logic but you coming in and telling online bullies to buzz off (which you did for Steve) is FAR more important to me than defending me from garbage. I appreciate it though and have always valued your insight, but no need to trouble yourselves with them, I specialize in cleaning dirt.

            SOME white posters are, just as SOME Asian posters are likewise. You’re the idiot generalizing the behavior of some onto a whole.

            Are there ANY Asian posters who go onto websites of Sweden, Finland, Germany, etc. for the sole purpose of bashing the inhabitants? Do you EVER see a Chinese/Asian poster post something with pure malice like this (I’ve never even gone that low to bash on a country’s poverty TBH) :http://www.japantoday.com/member/view/Paulmqs

            This issue is typical of the Chinese people’s character. Since the Second World War, Japan has donated or provided billions of Yen zero interest loans to the Chinese. Much of their technology was given by Japan also. The Chinese government and its people are truly shameful. If it was not for the Japanese government and people, the Chinese people would still be eating one bowl of rice a day with pickles and riding bicycles. The UN charter has confirmed the Senkaku Islands belong to Japan and the only issue is China needs its people to look outside of China while the Chinese government pillage their country and their
            family members enjoy the good life in our countries. If the Chinese think their country is the best, may I suggest get your bottoms out of Japan, Europe and North America. Study in your crappy universities, eat
            your poisoned rice and veggies and buy your own fake garbage. The Chinese character really comes out, win at any price, the rest of the world can go to hell… I do not buy anything made in China if I can identify it and I suggest the rest of the world do the same. There are
            options around for most things.

            Look at that, that’s basically what 90% of Euro crap, I mean “humans” (loool) are really like. Comments like that litter the site, media events just a poor excuse. That would be like Chinese going to a Greek forum to bash Turks, or an Irish forum to bash the British. It’s not a Japanese site though, as there are almost no Japanese (or other Asians) posting there. Lots and lots of wannabes and failed white losers though. Much like this site and shanghaiist. The thing is Chinese can never ever avoid such comments in the English speaking internet, it’s base, disgusting crude but perfectly acceptable even laudable to bash BOTH China and the Chinese. Japanese, Natives, South Americans, Thais, Laotians, Burmese, etc. have enough class NOT to ever gloat at another’s misfortune/poverty. In spite of “political” tensions, I always thought Asians like Taiwanese and Japanese were better humans actually. Online and offline. Whenever I read a white man’s comment, I can already tell what it’s about as they all excrete the same bile force fed into their brains. There is NO individuality, just a collective hive of rancidness.

            No, that’s just prejudice speaking.

            I wish. It’s not prejudice when almost all the comments are the same garbage and these people actually act out the thugs they are. Like those Russians rioting and killing because they lost a game of soccer vs the Japanese. Since when were they good at any sport anyway? Or the Greeks with their Golden Dawn going on mad rampages attacking women and children.

            Old habits die hard. Prejudices die hard too, especially if you’re regularly subjected or exposed to negative reinforcement.

            Exactly, the point is I constantly see cases where whites and blacks act unacceptably and DEFEND these actions. Like in this case:
            http://japandailypress.com/american-teen-living-in-u-s-base-in-rapes-17-year-old-japanese-classmate-1348361/

            Read the comments. Sound familiar? Think every time a white or black foreigner commits a crime in China e.g. British rape case. What is the response? They seriously are crying prejudice/propaganda over this and acting like it’s OK to rape her because she’s American. Disgustingly shows how white American men view Asian Americans/Mixes (something Matt should take note of). Wonder if these people actually are serving? Most people I know who serve would beat seven shades of shit out of such scum.

            You know, it never is or was my intention to be “racist”. I see hate-filled malicious comments and it’s sickening but something I and most Chinese can deal with and we move on after a while. However, constant violence, crime and how these guys cover each others’ filthy buttholes over and over again leaves me feeling so sickened at their entire pathetic race. The exceptions are so rare and things are just so miserable that even neutral “commentators” are people I can be grateful for. It’s not an encouraging thing to say but it is honest. Aside from the white friends I personally know and cherish, I much prefer the company of Asians. I’ve just found it difficult to trust non-Asians over the years and I’m far from the only one.

          • It’s strange how you characterize that guy as some sort of Asian-hating Western supremacist when he’s made comments such as these:

            When the USA attacked Iraq under false pretenses no caring for Japan was given although we all know Japan imports 100% of its energy. The USA acted for its own interests first, the EU acts for its own interests first and Japan must have the same right and we must respect it.

            Japan must be prepared to defend itself and not depend on the USA. The latter has a history of protecting its self interests first which has of late shifted to China.

            I wonder if the US or any European country was in the same situation what would happen, give the key to the city to whom? Zichi, Japan was put in a situation where it had no option but to fight. Yes, bad things happened, but history has always been written by the winners. Iran – Iraq war, Libya, DPRK, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, all the wars in Africa. Friend a lot of people in the US and Europe as well as leaders of the countries mentioned have cumulatively done much worse than Japan did 70 years ago but winners and self interest protects some and persecutes others.

            It is ironic that the country that most use words like democracy and freedom, is the same country that holds people in Guantanamo without providing them the most basic human rights. According to the UN, holding these people is a violation of human rights, whatever the reasoning behind it. They do not believe their constitution is strong enough to penalize these individuals with their legal system.

            He may dislike Chinese and Koreans, but he certainly doesn’t dislike Japanese, and therefore couldn’t possibly be characterized as anti-Asian. Millions of leftist (i.e., anti-American) Japanese say the same things, and I doubt you would characterize them as anti-Asian or pro-Western.

            Regarding the so-called “rape apologists” you’ve now mentioned twice, they were not defending the rape act; they simply took issue with the inaccurate title. I don’t see how them pointing out she was probably not full Japanese proves they’re anti-Asian; that conclusion logically makes no sense. At best, you could accuse them of being insensitive by downplaying Japanese victimhood (which, again, would be factually justified if the victim wasn’t Japanese) in lieu of simply condemning the perpetrator.

            Contemporary Russians and Greeks are certainly no monument to progressive enlightenment. But that is a fact that has been noted countless times by white Westerners who have frowned upon such barbaric shenanigans. To provide an analogy that might resonate with you, it would be like some white guy getting offended by one of your comments and then viciously taking all his anger out on Kai. Your words don’t speak for Kai, and some neo-Nazi skinhead in Moscow does not speak for some liberal pacifist in Stockholm. This isn’t naive idealism; it’s recognition of the reality that individuals don’t all think alike on the basis of race.

          • Alex Dương

            He may dislike Chinese and Koreans, but he certainly doesn’t dislike Japanese, and therefore couldn’t possibly be characterized as
            anti-Asian.

            Then let’s be specific: he’s anti-Chinese / anti-Korean.

            it’s recognition of the reality that individuals don’t all think alike on the basis of race.

            In that case, you shouldn’t apply differential scrutiny to arguments based on who you think wrote them.

          • If someone else had made the argument I made, would you still be scrutinizing it?

            If not, I’m afraid you’re applying differential scrutiny to my argument based on who you think wrote it.

          • Alex Dương

            First, I agreed with you that “anti-Asian” is inaccurate. Second, as I said before, it is not that authorship is irrelevant. It does matter. But it doesn’t take priority over content.

            So yes, if someone else had made the argument you made (e.g. Probotector), I would still “scrutinize” it in the
            same way I did for you, and at least in Probotector’s case, I have. A user’s posting history is quite relevant with respect to authorship. Race / ethnicity, not so much.

            You disagree, but let’s go back to our mutual “friend” Yes! again. When he thought I was “PRC Chinese,” how did he treat me? With utter contempt and no attempt whatsoever to disguise his condescension. When I told him that I’m Chinese American, how did he treat me? He went from having a “fuck you, brainwashed motherland loser” attitude to “whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy, hear me out. You got me all wrong; let me explain!”

            See the problem? Both of you attach way too much weight to the author’s race / ethnicity / national origin. If you find something objectionable in terms of content or flawed in terms of reasoning, what does it matter “what” the author is?

          • Honestly, my interest in discussing Yes!’s rhetorical merits has long since waned. If I had known I would still be made to answer for Yes!’s hyperbole a third of a year later (I believe the original discussion occurred approximately 4 months ago), I would have never bothered in the first place.

            I feel like you’ve been hammering on this matter non-stop to the point of caricature. I took a look at Yes!’s comment history, and I see that as recently as 5 days ago, he’s still been having to explain his comments, as if put on trial for committing illegal speech.

            I find his last comment on the matter sufficient for bringing closure to the issue:

            As for what I first said about the Chinese genes, I really did’t want to write a thesis here so I just went straight to the point. This is Chinasmack, a fun place mostly. I didn’t think you/anyone would be that serious. But anyway. Thanks for engaging.

            With all due respect, this is the last I will be commenting on Yes!’s remarks from 4 months ago. There are so many far more interesting things in the world to discuss.

          • Alex Dương

            Let’s get something straight first: you entered the discussion because you saw I brought up the charge of self-hatred again, which you strongly, strongly disagree with to the point of detest. Now, why did I bring that up once more? Because of what he said four months ago? No. I brought it up because Yes! was resurrecting yellow peril fearmongering. That was last week, not four months ago.

            Was that “hyperbole” too? I’d guess you say it was. You mentioned you went through his posting history just now. Did you notice that super long one he gave Kai where he outright said that he believed in innate differences among races? Please, please don’t even try to say he’s being facetious there because he isn’t. When you know that’s what he thinks, gosh, it really isn’t surprising that he drops these comments about genetics so nonchalantly. This really isn’t a guy you have that much in common with, Matt; I think you let your strong dislike of the idea of “self-hatred” cloud your reasoning.

          • Surfeit

            Hypothetically…

          • whuddyasack

            I didn’t call the guy a western-supremacist since he’s just an inferior loser hanging on the coattails of an “Asian” country greater than his “unknown” country. I brought up his comment to make a comparison. Like much of Japanese-wannabe central and the www, his comment is full of malice. The kind you don’t see in any Asian ethnicity. Unlike insecure white men, we have far too much dignity to disparage victims of misfortune. Just check out the latest CS post!

            Those Eu-rapean apologists were defending the rape. They were crying “racism” and “propaganda” because they wanted to save their own filthy hides. It’s a white tribal thing, didn’t you know? Like I said before, it doesn’t matter if the victim is Japanese, American are hafu. She was raped. Period. The correct response was to condemn the perpetrators and feel bad for the victim. Not play victim like a bunch of drag queens.

            Also, did you know that being American or Half-Asian makes you valueless in these losers’ eyes? Seeing as you are half-Asian, I just wanted to show how low your hairy compatriots thought of you and where you stand. You’re one of us, not them.

            Finally, here’s where you’re wrong. My “anger” doesn’t have much to with the “racist comments”. It has to do with the complete barbaric nature of non-Asians who act like coons. Who plays the knockout games? Not Asians for sure. I’m disgusted when they stockpile on one another, frantically, selfishly trying to save their useless reputations to the victim’s detriment.

          • Unlike insecure white men, we have far too much dignity to disparage victims of misfortune.

            You’re a veteran of chinaSMACK and its sister sites. Let me refresh your memory:

            Super Typhoon Haiyan Hits the Philippines, Chinese Reactions

            chinasmack.com/2013/pictures/super-typhoon-haiyan-hits-the-philippines-chinese-reactions.html

            What people are doing, God is watching. They have committed to many wicked deeds, and God can tolerate it no longer. Also, many regions in out country are still in difficulties, I hope [the government] won’t take our taxpayers’ money and donate it to those Philippine dogs.

            The Philippines, a dog-like country.

            Good timing, praise!

            Good, very good.

            Does this count as karma???

            Oppose China providing help to the Philippines. If you are Chinese, ding this up!

            The earthquake in Japan, the typhoon in the Philippines. It’s good that they have happened, and happened at the right times.

            Ha ha ha! So happy! Why couldn’t it have blown Aquino the bastard to death. It would’ve been even better! … Ha ha ha!

            Oh, I see, not important. I pray we won’t do the same stupid thing we did in 2011 after the tsunami hit Japan, when China donated 20,000 tons of oil and 20,000 tons of diesel for free.

            2011 Japan Tohoku Earthquake, Chinese Netizen Reactions

            chinasmack.com/2011/stories/2011-japan-sendai-earthquake-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

            Because its Japan
            I’m so happy

            Good!! Excellent…

            Serves them right, may Japan be destroyed by earthquakes.

            Little Japan, good!

            Good that they died, best if all of them died.

            Why wasn’t it a 20 or more [on the Richter scale] earthquake? My heavens, the earthquake was too small, no fun.

            Earthquake Hits Japan, Korean Netizens Say “Not Strong Enough”

            koreabang.com/2012/stories/earthquake-hits-japan-korean-netizens-rejoice.html

            That was weak.

            Last time, when some people said that we shouldn’t raise funds or offer donations, I remember there were some empty-headed bastards who said we needed to help the Japanese as fellow Asians and humans. Go and drown in the sea so you stop thinking about helping the Japanese.

            In such a suffocating world, it’d be good to see more great articles likes this one more often.

            What a beautiful and heartwarming article…

            I wanna turn that number ‘6’ upside down… [referring to the Richter magnitude scale]

            Amongst all the articles with the 日 Japanese character, this one is the most heartwarming LOL

            Victory~~~~~~~~

            Strike Tokyo with a 12.0 earthquake!

            More more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more

            This kind of article is so heartwarming.

            Saying things like “isn’t this a little over the top?” and “no matter how much friction there is between Korea and Japan about comfort women and Dokdo, we shouldn’t be like this when a natural disaster leads to human loss” etc is total bullshit. This happened to the island monkeys. Nice.

            Music to my ears~~~^^

            The best-case scenario would be if both a tsunami and an earthquake overlap each other so that the Japanese nation loses control and the Japanese monkeys triumphantly come to Korea as slaves.

            You’re doing well [but] try a little harder next time!

            Hey Earthquake: don’t just hit in dribs and drabs, strike Tokyo in one massive bolt. And my friends Typhoon and Tsunami, you come out and play together too.

            Don’t put out an article unless it’s a 9.0 earthquake.

            ㅡㅡ Hey Mt. Fuji, what are you doing? Just erupt.

            That’s it, Mr Earthquake, you can do it!!!!

            It would be good if a fast-spinning typhoon just carried Japan away ke ke ke ke ke ke ke ke

            What a heartwarming article.

            Heartwarming article.

            Hey Mt. Fuji, what are you doing? Stop playing around.

            Dear Planet Earth, please exert more force next time ^^

            We’ll be hearing very good news soon.

            …if you have ever read japanCRUSH, I’m sure I don’t have to inform you that there is no shortage of insecure Japanese nationalists who would not think twice before disparaging victims of misfortune. I’d post some, but I don’t have all day (and interestingly, neither the Sewol tragedy nor any of the Chinese/Taiwanese tragedies have made it onto japanCRUSH).

            Seeing as you are half-Asian, I just wanted to show how low your hairy compatriots thought of you and where you stand. You’re one of us, not them.

            I highly appreciate your token of solidarity, especially when so many Asian nationalists would turn their back on someone like me for not being “pure”, but at the same time may I remind you that one of those “hairy compatriots” happens to be my loving parent who has sacrificed very much for me.

            Who plays the knockout games? Not Asians for sure.

            Not Swedes for sure. Nor Finns for sure. Nor Swiss for sure. Nor Belgians for sure. Nor 99% of any race, for that matter. Those who play the knockout games are/were a small group of individuals (in a world of 7 billion, any group of less than 1 million is practically non-existent) influenced by a regressive, hyper-masculine, and––in my opinion––degenerate culture that nonetheless cannot be conflated with genetics. It’s strange that you should bring up the knockout game in your diatribe against whites, because I’m pretty sure 99% of the discussion of the knockout game on the Internet has basically been by whites for the purpose of demonizing and dehumanizing blacks. Once again, you’re taking cues from white nationalists. For someone who supposedly hates whites, you sure don’t seem to mind dignifying the cheap talking points deployed by the most despicable of them.

            Also, Japan’s WWIII actions render the knockout games child’s play. This is to say nothing of North Korea, the Burmese junta, the Indonesian pogroms of ethnic Chinese, the Khmer Rouge, the brutal dictatorships of South Korea and Taiwan, and the centuries of needless warfare characterizing the majority of Chinese history. Once again, the “complete barbaric nature” is empirically one of mankind.

          • whuddyasack

            Great evil takes advantage of great strife. With the Asian atrocities, they happened only because of war and brutal dictatorships. Dictatorships are about governance and not the people. Thugs, criminals, murderers, rapists in “advanced” nations are society’s scum.

            The comments have to do with the geopolitical tensions at play. When non-Asians make objectionable comments, it often stems from pure hatred driven by their clannish natures. With the Tohoku Earthquake at least, many times callous comments were shut down. It’s not like in the USA where no one bothers to help during violent riots. Even beat downs by a couple of thugs is too much danger. Remember Kim Pham? The devil in me tells me “whi-gger American man, biggest coward, biggest loser”. And then they bitch about how terrible it is to live in China. Do you understand what comes to my mind? That’s right. “Go back home then, there are millions of jobless white male losers who’d like to take your place.”

            During the worst hours of the 2012 riots, the majority severely condemned the violence and some even went out of their way to help. The picture below says all that I need to say. Do you want to know how many upvotes it generated? Over 70,000. And we had a member who wanted to judge all Chinese as racist from a mere 300 votes. Deplorable.

            but at the same time may I remind you that one of those “hairy compatriots” happens to be my loving parent who has sacrificed very much for me.

            I was mistaken that you’d feel the same way I do after how they completely disregarded the victim. I crossed the line right there. Every father loves his children and for every son, dad will always be his hero. Blood is thicker than water, or so they say. You defended your father’s honor and I’m sure he’s very proud of all that you’ve done in every aspect of your life. Not just online. In East Asian culture, this is symbolized by the character 孝. I am quite fond of you Matt and whenever it reaches a point where I’ve personally insulted people I like, that’s where I hit the stop button. Keep believing in what I no longer believe in.

          • Germandude

            Why don’t you just ask POS for his eMail address and then you and him exchange your love for each other privately since you are so obsessed with each other.

            Seriously, grow up you insecure fuck!

          • Kai

            POS. He came back as sino-sociopathy (come on, he really isn’t that hard to spot is he?)

            You really shouldn’t be teling me who is who given that you only have your suspicions and I actually have the information and tools to determine these things.

            A name like that is generalizing the state of mind of an entire nation, isn’t it?

            You wouldn’t ask me this question, even rhetorically, if you actually read my argument with Wa about him.

            I might as well change my name to “Big Laowai thug”, “hairy, stinky pedo” or “Big-nosed problem” then.

            Others have.

            He posted the same comment twice in two different topics, the first one was the one about Yi children. He wanted you to translate his crap obviously because he wanted to start an “Us vs You” discussion

            I know Sino-Sociopathy’s schtick better tha you do. On one side, I had to deal with Wa. Now I have to deal with you. He’s dishonest. You’re retarded. I’m not sure which is more frustrating.

            Correct, but remember how the whole Suey Park debacle degenerated?

            Irrelevant. His gender has nothing to do with stupidity or disagreement over opinions.

            I specialize in cleaning dirt.

            No, you don’t. You specialize in creating another kind of dirt.

            the Chinese. Japanese, Natives, South Americans, Thais, Laotians, Burmese, etc. have enough class NOT to ever gloat at another’s misfortune/poverty.

            I don’t know how you can lie through your teeth like that. There are plenty of people from these ethnicities and nationalities who glat at another’s misfortune/poverty. The point is that their existence does not justify other ethnicities and nationalities or races doing the same. They are ALL idiots.

            In spite of “political” tensions, I always thought Asians like Taiwanese and Japanese were better humans actually. Whenever I read a white man’s comment, I can already tell what it’s about as they all excrete the same bile force fed into their brains. Online and offline. There is NO individuality, just a collective hive of rancidness.

            Sigh.

            I wish.

            It is.

            You know, it never is or was my intention to be “racist”.

            But you are racist. Look up the definition and recognize that your behavior and speech fit the definition.

            I see hate-filled malicious comments and it’s sickening but something I and most Chinese can deal with and we move on after a while. However, constant violence, crime and how these guys cover each others’ filthy buttholes over and over again leaves me feeling so sickened at their entire pathetic race.

            That’s similar to what anti-Chinese racists say to rationalize their racism.

            I’m far from the only one.

            That’s what the anti-Chinese bigots say too.

            So like I said, you’re just like them, except with a different target. Two sides of the same coin.

  • Irvin

    It’s actually good practice for our body’s toxic tolerance for when we all have to eat expire food in the upcoming zombie apocalypse.

    Did you know indians can drink their shitty river water and be totally fine while just one cup of tap water in india can make a chinese sick? There’re no bottle water in india either.

    • Kai

      Heh, yeah, what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. I’m totally in China to grind skill points for my resistances.

      • Irvin

        I’m already level 8! a few more levels and I’ll be even radiation immune.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      true, tho i’d prefer dead pigs in the Yangtze over dead bodies in the Ganges any day

      • Dick Leigh

        At least the pigs were removed. Indians seem to like that their holy river is filled with dead people and garbage.

    • firebert5

      Apparently “totally fine” is a relative term. But, they can certainly survive it without seeming to suffer worse than they already are.

    • mr.wiener

      Zombie apocalypse comes….we eat the zombies, could work.

      • Boris

        Wait, if that happens, who runs from who?

        • mr.wiener

          We get the runs from them I would guess. Lots of curry would make them more palatable.

      • Irvin

        Makes you wonder, which is worst? the zombies that eats humans or the humans that eats zombies that eats human. It’s like indirect cannibalism.

  • Don’t Believe the Hype

    little do they know mcdonalds is shit food in any country

    • they guess they – believed the hype
      zzing

    • loki

      ok so let me get this straight… a chinese raw food supplier did this and its only saying it supplies food to only these yum companies… I am 100% HUSI also sells these foods to other companies… not just the big names..

      • Don’t Believe the Hype

        ya but that wouldn’t really be news

        • loki

          in the news today .. chinese meat supplier supplied bad horrible nasty expired meat to companies around china… (boring ass bullshit everyone knows the shit they is bad already)

          in the news today McDonalds, KFC, and every other laowai company is selling terrible meat to you to poison chinese people as punishment for shitting in the streets. (yeah gots everyone talking and interested in it)

      • Kai

        It doesn’t say it’s only supplying food to McD and Yum brands. Those are just the most well-known.

        http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/videos/mcdonalds-kfc-meat-supplier-exposed-reusing-expired-meat.html#comment-1495417007

        • loki

          but it doesn’t explicitly say it either…(as if I actually read it hahaha….)

    • loki

      you know after this is all said and done OSI group the partners of HUSI food company are also the victims of Chinese mentallity, Chinese management, Chinese corruption, and Chinese labor all being the contributing factors to this problem….. just because one invests in microsoft does not make one responsible for windows vista or windows me

  • Free Man

    I’d like to see a report with such a huge perception about a chinese company and not only Starbucks, KFC, McDonalds & Co.

    • Confucius

      and how would you comment on such a report?

      • Free Man

        I’d comment: “I am NOT surprised!”

        • Confucius

          Why wouldn’t you comment, “I’d like to see a report with such a huge perception about Starbucks, KFC, McDonalds & Co, and not only chinese companes”?

  • Shuying Yang

    It just reminds me where those piggies floating on Huangpu River last year have gone.

  • mr.wiener

    Well , the shit is going to hit the fan over this one… actually it’s too late. The shit has already hit the grill.

  • Harold Janson

    half rotten meat and half sawdust. process it over and over again until it passes. it’s american fast food, why would you even pretend to expect anything else?

  • firebert5

    “Wang Fang sang a red song about resisting America during a Spring Festival Gala, and was subjected to all sorts of unfair attacks [criticism]. Liu Jialing [Carina Lau] took a photo in front of Tiananmen, and subjected to all sorts of personal attacks. Wen Zhaolun [Deric Wan] said he is a person with a homeland after Hong Kong was returned, and was flamed repeatedly. Whenever there is news involving the foreign, even if it is negative, there is always a bunch of people licking [ass] like dogs…

    Remember when CCTV criticized Apple customer service for being discriminatory and a bunch of people said it was stupid? That it [negatively] affected the honor of their Apple? But they forget that Apple’s customer service improved and that it was Chinese consumers who benefited. When Starbucks was criticized for inflated prices, a bunch of people asked why real estate companies weren’t being exposed, and another bunch of people said it was none of your business, that you can only expose Chinese food and restaurant companies, that you can only criticize ineffective oversight/supervision, but you cannot criticize our foreigners, because we just love eating foreign garbage, because we just love using foreigners’ free restrooms…”

    So, when do you think this would all work as well if applied to homegrown companies? Maybe it would. Maybe they should try it.

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      that would require critical thinking

      • firebert5

        And humility.

    • Kai

      Great example of an idiot who conflates all sorts of shit into one grand “Chinese traitor” argument.

  • Marcus Black

    I stopped eating mcdonalds well over 5 years ago and never went back.

  • The free market doesn’t punish these transgressions hard enough, which means food safety violations are still profitable, therefore will continue unless consumers take consistent and strong action collectively. Well, at least, that’s the theory. In China, I fear if you boycott all unsafe food products you might end up starving to death. It certainly seems like the structure of society needs to change before its individual units – food peddlers, manufacturers, firms, etc. – can be changed. This is a problem I wouldn’t say is unique to China but its solutions can be.

  • Mighty曹

    Another reason for me to avoid fast food as much as possible but eating out is always risky, even at 5-star fancy restaurants.

    • preach
      shit I sometimes even get sick when I eat the stuff I’ve made myself lol!

      • Mighty曹

        I guess you won’t be able to prepare a romantic dinner without Bepto-Bismol on hand. lol

    • Dick Leigh

      Funny thing is, I’ve never gotten sick in China from bad food, but two days in Japan and I almost exploded on the Tokyo Metro from Traveller’s Diarrhoea. At least Chinese people cook everything thoroughly.

      • Mighty曹

        That’s surprising. The average Japanese is freakishly clean so I’m sure it wasn’t the way food was handled. Sometimes sashimi itself is the culprit. Maybe it was something raw that you ate.

        • naw man Japanese people are nasty too just like everyone else

          • Mighty曹

            You’re talking about sex now.

        • Dick Leigh

          I noticed that they -love- their raw eggs, but I don’t know enough Japanese to say no to that.

          Still, it’s bizarre that I ate all kinds of street food in China, ate at any restaurant I wanted to (from hole in the walls to 5 star hotels) and I was laid low by a crepe in Harajuku on day 2 in Japan.

          • Mighty曹

            I ate all kinds of street food throughout SE Asia too and never had any problem. I think psychology also has a lot to do with that. Mind over matter. :-)

          • whuddyasack

            Mind over matter!

          • whuddyasack

            Very interesting, I had a friend who was allergic to seafood, specifically yellowtail. We only discovered this much later. Initially, we were told that he was a diehard fan of Japanese cuisine and ate there regularly. Turns out he almost exclusively feasted on teriyaki beef and katsu chicken. When we finally decided to have dinner together, someone had ordered a lot of sashimi. This friend of ours stayed sick for days but was a brave soul. He gobbled down chunks of raw fish and shellfish quicker than any of us could.

            Speaking of Chinese street food, have you ever tried the fried tarantulas and scorpions? There’s also the 海肠. All these are a bit too adventurous for my tastes, and dog meat has nothing on them.

          • Dick Leigh

            Dang, I wanted to try those but even the Chinese I was with were too grossed out to try them out with me.

          • whuddyasack

            Wow, you have the adventurer’s heart ;-) I’m guessing most of your friends are young too, since most of the younger generation can’t even stomach eating dog meat. It stands to reason. How many Canadians have actually tried prairie oysters or drank dead man’s toe? I can only admire those who do, like this father and son.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/sour-toe-cocktail_n_1074726.html

      • icup

        it’s because your body is not used to it (yet). some even have a reaction to food that they haven’t eaten in a while.

        the body adjust to different things.

        • mr.wiener

          I can eat just about anything, street vender’s food holds no fear for me, but what gives me the nasty gassy watery sh*ts for a week every time is the food they serve on commercial airliners.

          • Dr Sun

            The only time in the last 10 years I got food poising was on the return United airlines flight from LA to GZ.

      • David

        except bacon.

    • nqk123

      Risk is always higher when not prepare it at home

      • Mighty曹

        Precisely.

    • Teacher in China

      I’ve had serious food poisoning 3 times in 9 years here, after never having it in 29 years in Canada. Had minor food poisoning probably 5 or 6 times, too. That’s one reason why I’ve become so boring in my food choices – after I eat at a place several times and don’t get sick, I feel like I can trust it.

      • Mighty曹

        I hope your problem has been solved. I’m always looking for new eating places to try. I guess it’s fair to assume you’re never thrilled about a new restaurant opening.

  • JabroniZamboni

    I love that they are blaming the foreign companies, when the Chinese processing company is the one doing wrong. In the report, the workers even said, “We hide this from them when they (Macdonalds) are here.

    I actually like 24 hour delivery for those drunken moments. Going to have to get drunker to forget that I am eating Chinese food.

    la du zi cai.

    AMEN.

    *farts*

    • Don’t Believe the Hype

      why eat shitty beef at McDonalds when there is juicy 串串 on every corner. At least then if you get 拉肚子 it will be somewhat worth it

      • JabroniZamboni

        explosive la du zi.

        I overpay for food and I’m sure they are still fucking me lol.

    • Dr Sun

      The Chinese processing company is American owned and run, there is probably a couple of Ex-pats on this site that are the senior managers. I will conceed that they probably had no knowlege of what was going on from their hotel rooms in Macao

      • JabroniZamboni

        Shame on them too, let them eat their crow. You do know that not one round eye was in the building more than once a month though right? Pure speculation, but come on.;)

        • donscarletti

          Wouldn’t surprise me if there was actually crow meat in it.

        • Dr Sun

          yes as said too busy playing with the chickens in Macao to care about the job theyre paid to do.

          • JabroniZamboni

            I wonder which chicken is dirtier.

            Don’t forget to try the veal folks! I’ll be here all week.

          • Dr Sun

            According to the CDC it would seem 90% of American chicken has HPV, so theres your answer.

          • JabroniZamboni

            The real question is:

            You down with OPP?

          • Dr Sun

            saw them in concert once, was not that impressed.

          • JabroniZamboni

            Naughty By Nature did not coin the term.

            The question stands.

          • Dr Sun

            theres no question there

          • JabroniZamboni

            You down with OPP?

          • Dr Sun

            as said didn’t thick much of them in concert, but if you’re into it thats cool

  • Probotector

    When I was in Zhengzhou, some branches of both McDonald’s and Dico’s didn’t rinse out their drinking machines thoroughly, so that some of the cleaning fluid was still present in the plumbing. It’s a nasty experience drinking a coke that tastes like Windex.

    • Kai

      While I don’t know what Windex tastes like, I’ve experienced a “chemically” taste in the drinks at certain KFCs and the Burger King at Jing’an (Shanghai people should know) many times in the past. I thought it might be the disinfectant solution they put their ice scoop in when not scooping ice but your explanation makes sense too.

      I’ve been trying to decide out if that’s more annoying than not getting ice, getting a straw with a split halfway down, or getting a soda that is watered down because the syrup has run low/out.

      • Dr Sun

        Kai, your living in China know, stop eating KFC/McDonald’s and start eating real Chinese food. I know thats tough now in Shanghai, but you can still find it.

        • Probotector

          ..and you accuse others of trolling?

          • Guest

            Come here troll, your my bitch now

          • Probotector

            Has someone left superhappycow alone on the jailhouse internet?

          • Guest

            come here proboctector, kisses, your my troll now..kissess

          • x1sfg

            Knowing your shit…
            Knowing you’re shit…

            Get it? Goes to you, Dr. Sun Yat Sen

        • Kai

          I do eat real Chinese food, but I get hankerings for fast food junk food too. Yeah, it’s terrible for my health, and it’s a bad dietary habit, but my subjective comfort food is my subjective comfort food. :D

          • Dr Sun

            Ok , your restricted to one whopper a month, no fries and no supersizing

          • Kai

            *whine*

      • Probotector

        Well I never take ice in my drink; dilutes the flavour when it melts, so I just assumed the problem came from the dispenser. The most annoying thing was when they added water to your concentrated OJ at breakfast time.

      • Might that be the artificial sweeteners? I sometimes get that familiar sucralose/aspartame aftertaste even with Diet Coke or Dr.Pepper in the US. (I’m assuming of course your episode was with diet soda)

        • Kai

          Nah, the chemically taste was different from artificial sweeteners (both diet and zero-cal). After thinking about it a bit more, while it could be the cleaning agent Probotector said, I figured that should be washed out after the first few pours if its trapped in the tubes. So it’s back to a mystery for me.

    • Irvin

      When I was in malaysia, I went to a mcd that was just opening and saw they had a filled cup of coke from the day before and tried to serve that shit to people.

      • How in hell could you have known that cup of Coke was from yesterday?

        • Irvin

          it was 8 in the morning, we went in with the employees.

      • Sydney Ma

        Malaysia doesn’t have (enforced) laws against this kind of things? Seems to be a more civilised place than China.

      • Kai

        Last time I was in Malaysia, I forgot they don’t have pork and ordered a Double Sausage McMuffin because double patties on that was novel to me.

        Boy was I surprised when I bit into it.

  • Probotector

    “McDonald’s and KFC are the only places in China where you can buy nothing but still sit in to enjoy air conditioning. You can also bring your own food and drink and freely consume them inside. Passersby can also use their restrooms as they please. Think, can this be done in our own [Chinese] restaurants?”

    Yes, it can, and in many other establishments, businesses and venues throughout China.

    • vincent_t

      Guess that guy never been to Ikea. U can even sleep there after u finish eating.

      • David

        I don’t think IKEA actually counts as a Chinese restaurant.

        • vincent_t

          No, i am just pointing out Ikea would be more relevant to put in his sentence than KFC.

  • Probotector

    “the workers even cheerfully said: “People won’t die from eating expired food.””

    Because if they don’t care, why should anyone else?

  • WFH

    just when you thought the food industry had turned a corner..

    • MonkeyMouth

      they turned a corner in order to avert their eyes again

  • Claude

    This is nothing new in the fast food industry. Now take into account the fast food industry in China with it’s history of food scandals.

    Fast Food Nation

    thepiratebay.se/torrent/3623980/Fast.Food.Nation.LiMiTED.DVDRip.XviD-LMG

    See the film or read the book.

    • Loved that docu. Try to watch Food, Inc. as well. Set aside your left/right political leanings (if you have them) and watch the documentary from the vantage point of a consumer.

  • winterbitten

    I wonder if China ever has class action law suits.

    I should have addressed it when it happened but I know I’ve gotten a really bad case of food poisoning at least 4 times in different cities from their “Mexican Twisters”. It’s part of the reason I avoid eating anything but fries there from time to time.

    Just makes me wonder how many other people have had cases of food poisoning from KFC (in general).

    • MonkeyMouth

      one of the only times i got food poisoning was from a MCDONALDS in a CARREFOUR. i got double fucked, huh?. dont ask me why i ate there in the first place….since i NEVER eat McD’s, and havent since. that was in 2006. never ever ever been in a mcd of kfc since.

  • Ah_FQ

    Strongly opposed to foreigners with expired food kill Chinese innocent people! Resistance to U.S. imperialism undeclared biological warfare! We can no longer be sick man of Asia, there are now saving China’s Communist Party to protect us, those foreigners killing Chinese people go back to foreign country!

    • Someone tell me if this is satire or real? The combo of tacky wording and poor grammar is throwing my satire-radar off.

      • mr.wiener

        I’m going with satire for now, but even satirists can overstep the mark. It’s not a free pass.

        • Alex Dương

          I just thought it was trolling.

        • Probotector

          Are you cleaning house?

          • Kai

            I am. It’s a troll impersonating a Chinese fenqing.

      • Sydney Ma

        Satire or trolling, “foreign country” or “foreign land” is a recurring joke about Chinese on the internet as “China, Japan and Waiguo” seem to be the only three countries that they know, a Chinese would say “go back to your country” or something similar.

  • Sydney Ma

    But? I was thinking that McDonald’s beef all came from small independent farms? That’s what they say in their ads…

    • McDonalds’s never said that. But they don’t advertise the fact that they do patronize from industrial farm companies like Swift, Monsanto, etc.

  • Markus P

    Food quantity, safety and waste is a big problem all countries need to deal with.
    [Too plentiful and wasted, too little and staving and or harmful to eat]
    As for fast food like MD, the fatty parts of beef are “washed” in ammonium hydroxide and used in the filling of the burger. Before this process, the food is deemed unfit for human consumption. So basically, we’re taking a product that would be sold in the cheapest way for dogs, and after the “hydroxide wash” process, is being given to human beings. Besides the low quality of the meat, the ammonium hydroxide is harmful to health.

    Most disturbing of all is the horrifying fact that because ammonium hydroxide is considered part of the “washing procedure” the chemicals that go into the food are not listed as ingredients and unknown to the buyer.

    Watch this for more info:

  • 500,000,000 years of history

    Yet another reason to go vegetarian.

    • And die from the glyphosates, atrazines and other farm runoffs courtesy of pesticides and herbicides.

      • B*tches, Leave

        I’d choose bad vegetables over bad meat any day.
        Vegan power!!!

      • 500,000,000 years of history

        Is there any place that’s safe?

    • Sydney Ma

      Sure, there are no food scandals involving vegetables such as the adulterated pickled vegetables in Chengdu using industrial grade salt, the red dye in chili sauce in Fujian, the dangerous excess of pesticides levels in vegetables in Hong Kong including illegal pesticides such as DDT or HCH discovered by Greenpeace 80% of which originated from Mainland China, and many others, including many more that were never discovered.

      • 500,000,000 years of history

        Maybe it’s time to move back to Europe.

        • Sydney Ma

          If only I had that choice haha

          • 500,000,000 years of history

            Why not? So many people have already made it.

    • David

      Don’t forget recalls for salmonella poisoning in the U.S. on lettus and other vegetables.

  • Markoff

    …and still much cleaner and safer than majority of Chinese restaurants.

  • death_by_ivory

    Why eat there from the first place? I mean when I will visit china I would eat from a street vendor selling unrecognizable anything more than kfc.
    And in the usa it is not even cheap. A burger and fries and soda for 8-9$???i don’t think so.

    • Irvin

      Yup! you can get a proper meal for the same price at a lot of local restaurants, but people insist on mcd due to novelty probably.

      Personally I’d rather have a beijing ass burger than a big mac.

    • Sydney Ma

      Fast food chains are still considered as upper end restaurants in China because of their prices and the fact that they are usually cleaner than local food places. But yeah eating there is stupid considering what you can get for the same price at local restaurants.

  • MonkeyMouth

    What did we actually learn from this? i mean…aaaaaactuuuuallly LEARN?

    • Sydney Ma

      When your doctor tells you to not eat junk food because it will kill you, he doesn’t mean that you will become obese and have a heart attack at 45, but that the expired meat might kill you in the next few hours, literally.

      • Probotector

        No, doctors are referring to the excessive calories and sugar in junk food being something that will kill you. Expired meat, or any expired food/drink, can also be purchased in a supermarket, convenience store, street market etc. Also, in most cases, food poisoning is not fatal, although it can be, depending on the pathogens involved and the health of the person infected, but not typically.

  • Rick in China

    The best comment is this: “but there probably aren’t many nationalities in the world who can compete with the speed our countrymen heal wounds and forget pain”

    I guess nobody has mentioned “Japan” to him lately. Speed to heal wounds, forget pain… INDEED.

  • Kai

    He didn’t say the McDonald’s CEO. In the video, they showed a McDonald’s inspection team visit but the plant hid what they were doing from them. It’s entirely possible that McDonald’s didn’t know what was going on. They did their due diligence but was deceived.

    While there can be an argument that McDonald’s could alter their inspection protocols to be stricter, there’s still more blame to go to the plant’s managers and supervisors which include both local Chinese and foreigners. It’s their company, their employees, and therefore ultimately their responsibility to have a clean house on their watch.

    Those who broke the law should be held legally responsible and those who allowed it to happen on their watch even out of negligence should be sacked by the company. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

  • JabroniZamboni

    I would love to market a restaurant named SARSburger.

  • Cv

    All these places have shit food anyway, i still see many Chinese eating at all these places today. Soooooo seems many do not care or they can not do nothing about it.

  • Apothis

    I will never eat fast food in China again….or any food.

    • Dr Sun

      then you better leave fast before you die.

      • wuju

        lol you made me lol

  • jon9521

    I do agree that some responsibility lies with McD and Yum Brands. However lets not forget that this meat supplier probably is supplying meat to Chinese outlets or restaurants as well. The interesting thing is that we do not hear any of those companies mentioned in the Chinese media. That raises the suspicion that the Chinese government might might be trying to give advantage to its home grown businesses just as with Google being forced out to make way for Baidu.

    • Kai

      They’re mentioned as well. See Fauna’s comment.

  • Surfeit

    兰州拉面FTW!

  • Surfeit

    Expiration date, for guidance only…

  • Dr Sun

    • Xio Gen

      You do realize “Airplane!” was a comedy, not a documentary, right?

  • whuddyasack

    Wonderful… not just imported American garbage, but pretentious garbage as well. It is obvious that the companies involved should be liable for negligence and poor safety standards. In fact, they are finally paying their dues, 77% of Chinese have begun to shun western fast foods. What truly is disturbing are the people here who think criticism of KFC/McDonald’s is criticism against America/Americans and by extension, “white” people. Get over yourselves, any company caught endangering the public should be exposed and condemned, regardless of who they are. Very often, westerners call for boycotts of Chinese products, yet feel defiled when Chinese (or any other Asian) start scrutinizing what is sold to them.

    Just a side note, everyone in the west knows that McDonald’s and KFC is unhealthy junk food. Obviously, we’d laugh in disbelief if KFC is bold enough to project their meals as healthy, wholesome and “quality”. This is pure dishonesty on their part, and we know eating buckets of KFC is a surefire way to die of a coronary.

    I’ve stopped eating fast food ever since my friends fell ill due to a certain McDonald’s unhygienic practices. If I ever do eat out, I only go to authentic Japanese restaurants because I find these the most honest and cleanest no matter where they are. Yes, much better than any overpriced Western restaurant out there, French, Italian, German, Spanish, etc.

    • Probotector

      No one thinks that criticism of KFC/McDonald’s is criticism against America/Americans and by extension, “white” people. Who says that?

      77% of Chinese reject western food. Where’d that figure come from?

      “very often, westerners call for boycotts of Chinese products, yet feel defiled when Chinese (or any other Asian) start scrutinizing what is sold to them.”

      Yeah, I remember that during the olympics in 2008, until they realised their creature comforts more often than not relied on a Chinese-manufactured product. Still, some Chinese people wanted to boycott Carrefour after china was shunned by Sarkozy about human rights or something, so both sides have guilty parties. Personally, I think boycotting is a waste of time, since not enough people will ever commit to it to really make a difference.

      • whuddyasack

        Well, how about this guy for starters: http://www.chinasmack.com/2014/videos/mcdonalds-kfc-meat-supplier-exposed-reusing-expired-meat.html#comment-1495494362
        It’s undeniable that his overall tone is poor foreigners being singled out by mean Chinese. He also admits to blatant generalizations and doesn’t care. In my case, I recognize that McDonald’s and KFC have been negligent and operated dishonestly. Do you seriously believe KFC or that Big Mac is quality and wholesome? Really? Had it been a Chinese company I’d hold the same opinion. Tainted McNuggets somehow made it all the way to Tokyo. That’s how serious the problem is. I also agree with you that boycotts are silly, e.g. the Chinese netizens threatening to boycott Malaysia Airlines. At the same time, it is not right to deflect negative attention away from foreign (or local) corporations when it is clear they have violated public safety. It isn’t xenophobia, it’s raising public awareness and it becomes problematic when the clannish decide to defend the misdeeds of those they believe are part of their “in group”. The same way foreigners defend foreigners whenever foreigners commit a crime. And that’s too many foreigners.

        • Probotector

          You’re going off on a tirade at me. I actually agreed with you, and asked some questions because I believed you could tell me the answers. However, I was making the point that Chinese do this as well as other nations of people.

          Ex-expat isn’t saying necessarily that America or white ppl are being targeted.

          I never said KFC or Mc D’s was wholesome? Why are you berating me about that?!

          Most foreigners don’t defend other foreigners when they commit crimes in China or elsewhere. I’m not sure why you mentioned that, but normally, they are more impartial about it and do their upmost (even spinelessly so) to respect the ways of China.

          • whuddyasack

            That was a rhetorical question and I asked under the assumption that you knew those restaurants weren’t wholesome.

            Isn’t it obvious what ex-expat meant? It is just him being defensive and foreigners do defend foreigners who commit crimes. Part of their defense always involves deflection. But, but, but… x does it too, x are even worse. You might want to look back at the article where the British expat was caught raping a woman. Among many others.

            Chinese do this as well as other nations of people.

            What complete nonsense. I suppose many Chinese complained about being singled out and deflected blame during the 2008 milk scandal? Of course not, like anyone else, they felt shame. If you were the least bit honest you’d admit that there is just one group of people that never takes ownership in anything they do. For them, it’s always the fault of someone else.

          • Probotector

            So you’re seriously saying that Chinese are saintly and whites are always up to no good and will never admit it. We’re talking about two races made up of hundreds of millions of individuals on both sides.

  • Dr Sun

    Right, the classic “Plausible deniability factor” blame the middle management and not the executive management for everything and them being absent from and not either really running or knowing what goes on within their own company…so American, LOL

    • Xio Gen

      Yes, because the American CEO of McDonalds, whose headquarters is in America, personally oversees to every single factory, farm, restaurant, and distributer around the world. He just sits in front of a giant wall of screens where he can see every single room of every factory and every single farm where he cackles maniacally as he calls each factory to tell them exactly how much expired food to staple to the chickens while cackling behind his giant chair. Strange that these workers specifically hid their deeds from upper management and corporate inspectors, who personally oversaw the contamination as some grand conspiracy against the People’s Republic. Strange how THAT’S NOT AT ALL HOW CORPORATIONS WORK.

  • loki

    you know there are a few things that your all forgetting …. I litterally went into a mcdonalds yesterday and tried to get a job.. thats right I asked for a job application the manager of the store looked at me as if I was fucking crazy and told me that it was impossible for a foreigners to work for mcdonalds … so your all handing blame out to the american side of the company when you have to consider that regional and senior executives of china mcdonalds/KFC are all CHINESE and they have chinese ideas and chinese morals, coupled with chinese faces… when you look at the chinese franchise of mcdonalds it doesn’t actually mean that they are the same as the american counter parts.. if so .. where is my mother fucking quarter pounder or my Hot Apple pie?? who the hell eats red bean pies anyhow?

  • David
  • reasoninginaplualisticworld

    What about all the stock market Chinese company managers ‘disappearing’ into mainland China with the company cash, which is in the multiple hundred million USD?

  • reasoninginaplualisticworld

    And it is the Chinese owners of McDonalds in China that are circumventing the safety procedures in Mainland China. This is a government sponsored site, right?

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