Thai Model Rants About Chinese Tourists at Korean Airport


Despite trending internationally on Facebook and YouTube four days ago, this video took awhile to achieve “trending” status on the Chinese internet. After three days, however, the following copy of the video on Chinese video-sharing website Youku (h/t Ali) has reached over 1.4 million views, making it at least comparable to the 1.6 million views of the copy on YouTube. More importantly, there are now more Chinese netizen comments for us to translate.

From Youku:

Thai Female Model Films Self at Korean Airport Angrily Denouncing Chinese Tourists as Lacking Manners

When Thai model Duangjai Phichitamphon was recently at the Korea’s Jeju Island Airport in line waiting to get a tax refund, she was pushed and bumped into by a large group of mainland tourists. She then filmed a video as a witness, criticizing mainland tourists as lacking manners.

Comments from Sina Weibo:


If I were a foreigner, I’d also dislike China.


Is this shameful? There’s nothing really shameful about it. From the moment of birth, our countrymen have had to fight [scramble, contest, compete], in order to get milk powder [infant formula], and only by fighting can we get into good kindergartens, all the way up to university, from work to getting medical treatment, and even to the crematorium. In China, where can you avoid having to fight [for scarce resources]? Where can you avoid having to have special privileges [power] in order to get preferential treatment? In this world where living is the first rule of survival [looking out for oneself?], order is nothing but a fart [meaningless].


The many people I see cutting in line or scrambling for spots when I go abroad turn out to mostly be Taiwanese or Korean, but the locals can’t distinguish and simply see them as Chinese. Especially when Taiwanese people do bad things and are called out for it, they all say they are Chinese, when normally they say they are Taiwanese…


Our countrymen go out and make a scene, are filmed and despised. Even though I’m embarrassed, what she said is indeed true.


I will testify to this. What more, in Thailand, it is always Chinese people who have the least safety consciousness or punctuality, at airports without any order or lining up and not watching their own children climbing/crawling everywhere, disconnecting the retractable belt barriers. “Everyday I examine myself on three counts”, I hope us Chinese people can stop embarrassing ourselves.


I think it would be good for CCTV to broadcast these videos. Actually, most of them are those of relatively old age. The generation above the rich, the elderly who had a son who has made it rich or a daughter who has married into a wealthy family. When they were young, they didn’t have access to education, or the means to get one, and some even were part of the Cultural Revolution era. So once they get old, they naturally would behave in embarrassing ways, but they don’t feel embarrassed. Instead, they think they’re old now, these things are no big deal, and are natural/should be taken for granted.


To be honest, young people these days are all capable of lining up orderly, it’s just those middle-aged uncles and aunties who think cutting in line or whatever is very normal. What more, I often encounter parents with their children out, where the child isn’t willing to cut in line, thinking it is shameful, but the parents saying they are foolish and telling them to follow their lead. Stupid. I really want to know, was what our parents told us before about being civilized and manner merely just talk?


Every time I take the plane, I’m always wonder why everyone is scrambling [for seats]. Are they afraid of not having seats? It’s not like this is the green train [older trains in China with no assigned seating]. Are they afraid of not having a place to put their luggage? The flight attendants will help you. Once, because of this, I said to someone who had cut in line: Relax, if I can’t get on, the plane isn’t leaving either.


Which is why in the Heavenly Kingdom, the probability of getting rich is higher for people without character, while someone as kind-hearted and moderate like me has never even been to Hong Kong!


I’m already no longer shocked… There’s a good saying: It’s not because you are Chinese that they despise you, it is because of you that people despise Chinese people.


I laughed when I saw someone say Chinese tourists have brought economic prosperity to [the countries they visit]. Before you went, were they poor? Money in these people’s eyes is an amulet that allows them to do whatever they please, but other countries are not China, where simply having money means you can be arrogant. People who have money but don’t have manners or self-respect are the target of ridicule wherever they go, except China. What’s strange is that, even so, these people’s egos are excessively strong, where the moment they are criticized, they say they have money, or say that those are Korean or Japanese people.


I’m Chinese but some of our countrymen’s characters really cannot be flattered. Domestically, you can be as arbitrary as you want, but don’t go to other people’s territory and embarrass Chinese people! At least first learn some Japanese!


Translated by a Hong Konger. They call mainlanders “People of the Powerful Country”, a pejorative.


I’ve personally experienced this, while in line going through immigration/customs in Singapore, where it was repeatedly said to keep quiet but a group of people still make a bunch of noise eating seeds and loudly talking. The tour guide was completely embarrassed, while I kept my head down unable to lift my chin in shame.


When I was going through [airport] immigration in Thailand, the worker was extremely slow, and their staff would allow Europeans and Americans to cut in line [going first], seeing a lot of Europeans and Americans doing so, while it was the Chinese people who lined up. There are two sides to everything.


We were wrong, sorry! (Too fucking shameful)


Thank the lousy policies of the Heavenly Kingdom for causing this. In addition to there being too many people and few resources, the amount of education isn’t high, everything was limited… fostering in our people the thinking to act first to gain the upper hand [that one has to scramble to get something or miss out].


Allow me to apologize, because the uneducated [in manners, civic-consciousness] people in our country far outnumber the educated.


Sigh, I was at Thailand’s White temple, and a young guy in my tour group who was usually very cocky littered his cigarette butt on the ground, only to have a groundskeeper blow a whistle and immediately use Chinese ordering him to “pick it up”, leaving me on the side feeling extremely embarrassed~


I really don’t understand what’s so important to rush the check-in counter for. Domestically, the train station is like this too. The moment the gates are opened, everyone squeezes forward like crazy. It’s not like a plane or high-speed rail is the public bus [where there is no assigned seating]…

Comments from Youku:


Truly fucking embarrassing. Can people watch themselves when going out/abroad?!


Indeed, although she’s a bit crude in what she says, it is the true.


…nothing can be said. Sigh.


Too embarrassing.

丶懒辉 [我是传奇3限量徽章]

I personally think my own character isn’t very high, but I am trying hard to correct myself and improve my character. Before doing anything, one should consider whether what they do respects other people!


Came to read the comments.


Thai people have no right to speak.


Very funny, but very embarrassing.


Most of the people who have money and often go abroad aren’t very civilized, all a bunch of nouveau riche.


It must be said, as long as one person goes to cut in line, everyone else will go cut in line, and then… there is no then.


This girl is so cute.

BacKinback00553266: (responding to above)

You sure this is a girl?


We of course admit our shortcomings/faults, but for her to do this shows that her own character isn’t much to speak of. Many things are related to one’s background, and she talks as if she’s so well-mannered.


You can’t “beat to death a boat of people with a single bamboo pole” [“can’t paint everyone with the same brush”]. It’s not all Chinese people who don’t have character or manners! You don’t see so many Chinese tourists quietly lining up wherever they are? Do you not understand being anxious to return home? If there’s a lot of people, you don’t know to let them pass? What are you doing standing there? And you [just stand there] recording, recording, recording, and you have the gall to say others don’t have manners? Hehe, ridiculous…


Is this a real woman or a “fake woman”?

kus14974 [我是传奇3限量徽章]

She’s so pretty, but why does Thai sound so unpleasant?


Compared to the character of Japanese tourists, it really is one being in the sky and one being underground. There are also foreigners who film videos about Japanese people, but what they say is instead how unbelievably good the characters of Japanese people are, how the ground is so clean, etc.


nice aoe 啊


Basically all middle-aged people.


Loudly making a racket is also uncivilized behavior~~


Sounds like Shanghainese aunties.


What she said wasn’t wrong, nor did she blame these people wrongly, as the truth is indeed like this. I hope our countrymen can realize this with a clear-head, and regard this matter calmly and objectively, engage in introspection, change things starting with ourselves, and observe public order. This would be the best response.


When we are wrong, we should admit it. I hope we will all improve.


Thai is even more unpleasant on the ears than Vietnamese, fuck!


I think it is because they normally do not mind their manners that they don’t mind their manners when they go abroad! It’s habit, habit. Just having education and talk about this doesn’t mean it can be changed. Most people know they should be manners, should have character, but they just don’t abide by it. It is only when their uncivilized behavior is immediately criticized by everyone and out of embarrassment that they will change their habits.


These days, those who go abroad for tourism are mostly nouveau riche. Don’t talk to them about character. Their dictionaries don’t have this term.


Sigh, I often see this kind of phenomenon. In small towns at those banks that don’t use numbers, everyone was lining up nicely, but then some old uncle or auntie completely ignores everyone in line and rushes up to the counter presenting their bank card or deposit book… Honestly, could you as the bank teller just throw it back at them and tell them to get in line? If you reject them just once, maybe they’ll know to line up in the future.


It’s just some, it doesn’t mean everyone is like this. This woman’s crassly making fun [of Chinese people] already reveals that she also has low/poor character.


What she said is also right. If you want others to respect you, you have to first learn to respect others. Our character, to be honest, really is worse than others. The attitude of Chinese people these days is, I have money, so I’ll be headstrong, at the same time expecting others to respect you. Do you think others can respect you when you have this kind of character? So when you’re wrong, others can’t say so? Our countrymen should reflect on themselves!!!


In China, when you go to work, do you not squeeze [compete with others to get] onto public buses? Don’t squeeze into subways? If you don’t, then you have to wait for the next one, and you risk being late. If you drive your own car, then you don’t need to squeeze, but under such a situation, you’d be a comparatively well-off person. This is actually just human nature. When you need something, you will worry about getting it, but when you are well-off, you will no longer be so panicky about not getting it. If people live in a society where they don’t need to compete to get on the public bus and clearly know what they need will is not at risk of being taken by another, then they will not be so panicky. I have confidence that if the quality of life for Chinese people can be improved, things like cutting in line and such will gradually be solved.

神仙姐姐yuki (responding to above)

It must be said, actually, there are many places where there are many people waiting for public transportation or the subway but there is still order. This is basic public etiquette and ethics.

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  • Taiwanese have a similar opinion on Chinese than Thais. This video first went viral in Taiwan.

    • taiwan is a part of china

      • I love having an EDUCATION

        does taiwan pay taxes to china? every province pays taxes to the main PRC government.

        • Bing

          Some people live in their own little world. which i mean, those millions ethnic Chinese live in Taiwan claim they are not Chinese , and those ethnic Chinese live in mainland China claim taiwan belong to PRC.
          Taiwan is a part of China, however it belongs to a larger china—–depends on your explanation and understanding towards “china”. PRC claims taiwan is a part of its own land, and ROC government yet abandoned their claim towards mainland china, even including the Mongolia Area.
          So you tell me, Taiwan is not a part of China?

          The Chinese civil war “stopped” but not “ended” 65 years ago. And remember this: There is no peace treaty made between mainland China and Taiwan(or you say, since it’s a civil war, between Chinese Kuomingtang, and Chinese Communist Party). So technically, any territory claim made by any party is legally okey. It might sound stupid, but legally it is something need to be done by both governments.

          Also please remember the following truth:

          1) the official name of taiwan is Republic of China. abbr. is China;
          2) Taiwan goes as the name as Taiwan only under some context in international activities, and by their people. For many others, they have to go either under the name Chinese Taiwan, or Chinese Taipei, and with the permission of PRC. if ROC government abandoned the name of ROC and uses and only uses Taiwan as its official name, There comes WWIII;

          3) The current status quo of taiwan is more like a state, but not a nation. yes it has it’s own government, army, etc, etc; however it is not recognized as a country by UN and most countries in the world.

          So, Taiwan is more like Schrödinger’s Cat. it is dependent, but only dependent as the name of republic of china, not taiwan; it is also not dependent, because it is still under war (technically), and it is not recognized by the UN and many other countries,

          • Tyrhonius

            Taiwan hasn’t abandoned its claim over China’s provinces. They would have to revise the constitution to do that.

            Taiwan doesn’t have an “official” name. The R.O.C. is a government in exile that holds de facto sovereignty over Taiwan. Taiwan is not included as one the R.O.C’s recognized territories in the constitution.

          • Bing

            you mean 台灣地位未定論?
            Nice shoot. However i don’t think it is a situation can be discussed or negotiated. You can call me wumao or whatever, but it’s hard.

      • Toasty

        No it isn’t.

        Whether it should or shouldn’t be is a different matter. But the fact is that right now, it isn’t.

        • AbC

          Then how do you explain Taiwan having to call itself ‘Chinese Taipei’ in every international sporting competition?

          Wiki: “Meanwhile, the PRC also asserts itself to be the sole legal representation of China and claims Taiwan as its 23rd province to be under its sovereignty, denying the status and existence of ROC as a sovereign state. The PRC has threatened the use of military force as a response to any formal declaration of Taiwanese independence”

          Also, the UN doesn’t recognise Taiwan as an independent Nation.

          • Dark Night

            So if the international community forces China to be called the sub-colony of the USA, does that mean that China is owned by the US? The approval of the Olympics & the UN does not make a country.

          • AbC

            Recognition by other nations that you are a stand alone nation is in fact quite an integral part of being considered a country. Otherwise, we might as well call Catalan and Tibet a country as well if the only criteria is that the majority of its residents wants to be independent.

          • Dark Night

            Tibet is an independent state under unlawful occupation.
            Beijing’s large-scale transfer of Chinese settlers into Tibet is a serious violation of the fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, which prohibits the transfer of civilian population into occupied territory. China’s claim to sovereignty over Tibet is based almost exclusively on self-serving Chinese official histories.

          • Alex Dương

            Who recognized Tibetan independence between 1912 and 1951?

          • Although I sympathize with the Tibetans, and even with the arguments about the Geneva Conventions and all….. What a lot of you may not have considered is the relationship between China and Tibet going back hundreds of years. For hundreds of years Tibet behaved almost as a vassal state of China including arranged marriages and so forth.

          • don mario

            a brief bit of research will show you that taiwan called themselves chinese taipei.. they wanted to be THE china. the official name of taiwan is not taiwan it is the republic of CHINA. when the nationalists took over taiwan they could of officially named it the country of taiwan and gotten away with it at that point.. but they didn’t want to.

          • AbC

            You are basically saying the same thing that I implied, that both sides of the strait believe there is only one China and that Taiwan is not a seperate nation. The only argument is whether China belongs to the ROC or PRC. The point stands that both governments only recognises one single nation.

          • BrandeX

            They are the same country, which is why mainland Chinese need a passport and visa to go there…

            Oh, wait.

          • Shaniqua1990

            Which is why their passport says Republic of China?

          • Jahar

            doesn’t make it the same country.

          • AbC

            mainland Chinese also need a passport/visa to go to Hong Kong and Macau… That doesn’t make them a seperate nation.

            You don’t need a visa to travel between Canada and USA, or between Australia and New Zealand, but that doesn’t make them the same country either.

          • BrandeX

            You need a PASSPORT to travel between US and Canada. Most Westerners don’t need a VISA to go to HK or Macau either.

          • Ken Morgan

            Actually the stamp on arrival is a form of visa.

          • AbC

            My point is that mainland Chinese still need to apply for visa to go to HK or Macau even though it’s part of China, yet most of the western world gets an automatic short term entry upon arrival. Which is why your original response that because mainlanders need a visa to go to Taiwan makes it a different country was invalid.

          • Jahar

            no you don’t.

      • RedBearded T

        No it’s not.
        You’re welcome.

      • diverdude7

        u may be sexy (or not), but intelligent?,,, hmmm… let’s just say the jury is still out on that one.

      • don mario

        taiwan is a superior place in pretty much every way. other than historical and natural sites i can’t think of any real reason to live in china instead of taiwan. and the foreigners that live in china are missing out imo..

    • Guest

      taiwanese and chinese are the same chinese. rude noisy dirty arrogants tourists. The Japanese and south koreans are much more pleasent.

  • 宋易

    I love how so many of them fantasize that this is only a problem with older Chinese from the Cultural Revolution era. Young people do this at least as frequently. Older people would probably say its only younger people that do it. :-D

    • Kai

      I don’t think they fantasize but I do think they generalize it as an older Chinese people from the CR era issue. I feel those same people would readily agree that the children of such people are likely have the same problem as well, so it ultimately ends up being more of a “classist” issue with maybe a rough rural/urban divide.

      With the exception of the nouveau riche, wealthier urbanites tend to have had more exposure to and adoption of public manners, mostly because their environment has had to deal with the consequences of chaos and order earlier and more consistently. Someone who has daily access to a public good like the subway is forced to confront issues of public behavior more than someone from some backwater village, and thus tends to have an earlier and more sophisticated appreciation for public manners and order.

      Long story short, young people as a whole really are better than their parents in this, due to sea changes in living standards, living conditions, education, urbanization, and modernization. Exceptions abound, because these sea changes are not uniform throughout China.

      • nope kai this is simply not true
        i’ve yet to meet a chinese “tourist” student who doesnt cough directly into my mouth, who isnt as loud as a hero from water margins when talking to someone 0.75135 inch away from them, and who refrains from eating “this is authentic chinese food” in a moderately ventilated classroom

        • Poodle Tooth

          My Chinese wife talks to me at full volume when we’re lying in bed. Damn nong.

          • Markus P

            LOL, I’m delighted to know that it doesn’t just happen to me!

        • Markus P

          Younger people are generally better than the older generation manners wise, of course there are exceptions, also, I know many that care about China’s image overseas and therefore act appropriately overseas. I think it will and is slowly improving.

        • Kai

          If I ignored your obvious facetiousness, and took your claim that all the young chinese you’ve met also have uncouth behaviors at face value, I’d just say you’re suffering from a misleading vividness fallacy. But for now, I’m going to presume you’re just being entirely facetious.

          • Jahar

            I don’t think he’s saying it’s ALL the young people, just that they aren’t any better than their elders. Outside of those who are raised middle-upper class and above, i’m inclined to agree. At least in Wuhan.

        • icup ✔️

          you should learn to breathe from you nose lol.

      • Markus P

        I have been feeling cynical and negative of late. Resulting in some silly comments. Perhaps Chinasmack can find a positive story treading online to share, in fact maybe it would be good to post positive stories at least once a week if possible? Such as the highest trending happy/good story, which might be like 15th or so overall in the trending stories.

        • Bing

          like all news on internet right now. There are always good news about China but often got overwhelmed by negative ones. but mostly, the positive is actually negative ones.
          The motivation? clicks, visits, numbers of comments,….etc, etc.
          And people like to comment under negative ones to show how mature, wise, morally correct, and insightful they are. like me, i just showed how insightful i am.
          What you can say under a positive news?
          !) yo chinese are not bad pal;
          2) i think we (country) can’t even beat china. so bad.
          those are actually even more negative to the reader (and probably the editor of chinasmack) because its not creating a debate and topic.

          so, let’s fight under those negative news and be positive about ourselves.

        • Kai

          Hah, I feel you, and we really really appreciate you demonstrating your understanding of our editorial mission and format in your request.

      • Vance

        I would think it is the rich who are at these airports, isn’t it? They would be the ones who could afford to fly to other countries, so when we see these videos and stories of Chinese behavior abroad, aren’t we seeing the behaviors and etiquette of the Chinese upper classes?

        • Xia

          The current Chinese “upper class” has a total history of 30 years. Almost all of them grew up as peasants.

          • Vance

            All that new money. No wonder businesses here are lusting for a piece of China. We have many new rich here also. They tend to have a reputation for being better behaved than the old money which is seen as “snobby”. Although, people like athletes who go from rags to riches overnight sometimes get into trouble as they just don’t know what to do with all that money.

          • Xia

            I bet your new rich are Internet entrepreneurs. They all have college level or above education, that’s a completely different pedigree than the Chinese new rich, many of whom haven’t finished school.

        • Kai

          “Upper” is relative, because I’d like to think of air travel and international tourism being something reasonably “middle class”, so while what is “middle class” to us is arguably among the “upper” classes in China, it’s not like these people are millionaires. The affordability of tour groups also confounds this.

          More importantly though, they may be “upper” class in terms of wealth, but not necessarily in “class”. Specifically, almost all of China’s wealthy are nouveau riche, who have money but not the cultured background and mannered upbringing we stereotypically associate with the “upper classes”.

      • Mark

        I agree with all of this in theory but this is still an issue among “young people”, at least in Tianjin on the subway, bus, elevators. Maybe they are “better than their parents” but they still aren’t close to being where they should be for going abroad, IMO.

    • plorf

      Actually I tend to agree, young Chinese aren’t nearly as bad as middle-aged people. Plenty of uncivilised youngsters too of course, but comparatively less.

      • 宋易

        Maybe a smidgen better. I think middle aged to elderly are just more shameless and obvious about it.

        • gregblandino

          The 80‘s 90’s generation that didn’t grow up in the countrysides are light years more concious of social etiquette and niceties.

          • 宋易

            i really have to disagree. i spend a lot of time with chinese kids, and ive frequently seen them do obnoxious or completely inappropriate things in front of their parents… their parents do nothing. NOTHING. these are middle class kids, not countryside kids.

          • gregblandino

            I guess in 1st tier cities then? The generation here of grown up 80’s 90’s kids is better on all these fronts. Aye and aye again on the kids receiving…relaxed parental guidance. I do notice an immediate drop of of public civil behavior once leaving the “1st tier bubble.” A small town in dongbei must be a trip. Do you mind saying which town? I assume no Ha’erbin or you’d have mentioned it.

          • 宋易


            I think claiming first tier cities are much better is kind of silly… because they are well dressed while being obnoxious and inconsiderate doesnt make them more sophisticated. You might argue for better-on-average… first tier cities are more populated, so youll get a few flowers in the pot of dirt. But that hardly means its overall better. A lot of those kids will find homes abroad as adults if their parents dont take them there first.

          • Jahar

            age might also be a factor. As I get older, I’m beginning to turn in to a cunt.

    • Toasty

      I find that generally the oldies are worse. What worries me is that the old generation are now bringing up the youngest generation due to the bizarre Chinese practice of dumping the baby on the grand parents. Are they directly teaching them all their bad habits?

    • Jahar

      Here in Wuhan the majority of the bad ones are young(at least, in my experience).

  • RagnarDanneskjold

    Many countries have their share of rude tourists. What complicates matters for Chinese is the the numbers. The network effect is non-linear, so people will generally view Chinese as more rude because many more people will have experience with a rude Chinese tourist versus from another nation, even if rudeness is perfectly proportional around the world.

    • hess

      “even if rudeness is perfectly proportional around the world.” Uh… No.

      • Kai

        If I’m not misunderstanding you, “even if” is different from “even though”.

        He’s not saying rudeness is perfectly proportional around the world. I think he’s saying even if 1 out of every 100 people in every nationality is rude, the mere fact that China has so many more people means it seems like Chinese people are more rude than other people. There would be a higher absolute number of rude Chinese people, but not a higher proportional amount.

        I think China has a higher proportion of people with a certain set of uncouth behaviors than many other countries, but without an actual rigorous per capita study of all countries, we can’t be sure it is the highest. We can be confident that given its huge population, there are just a high absolute number of them though.

        Even if 100% of the people in tiny Lichtenstein or whatever were rude, and only 50% of the people in China were, people would still likely think of China as ruder cuz they’d more likely run into a Chinese person who is rude.

        Pretty sure that’s what Ragnar is trying to say.

        • hess

          I think you’re right actually, my mistake

        • Jon

          They also stand out more, easily identifiable as ‘the other’, especially being the newcomers to tourism. No one wants to read about the old news of loud ignorant North Americans, the drunk irreverent Brits, the drunk rioting Aussies and Irish etc etc. they don’t make the news except in the case of an extreme case like the British woman who gave 24 blowjobs publicly to pay for her drinks. I’m not excusing their behaviour, just putting it into context. Everyone likes to smack the Chinks back to their rightful peasant status in the world order [hint, sarcasm], but just being careful we don’t get pushback when they realise what’s happening.

          • Kai

            Aussies riot? Haven’t heard that one before.

            Whoa, 24 blowjobs?

            That’s awesome.

            Yeah, I agree with what you say. Fingers crossed, and may those who fight the good fight continue doing so.

        • Vance

          Right. With that many people, there would be a high number of any group. For example: I have read that there are only 3% of the Chinese are Christian. Seems small. If you pick any Chinese person in a crowd, the chances that he or she is a Christian is very small, however, there are still around 40 million Christians in China. More Christians than in many Christian dominated countries around the world. So even if only a small percentage of the population are idiots, China probably still is one of the leading suppliers of idiots to the world population.

          • Kai

            China probably still is one of the leading suppliers of idiots to the world population.

            Hah, definitely, which is something a lot of Chinese people would readily volunteer the moment they trust you aren’t going to hold it against them.

    • g_in_china

      hahahahaha….good one…..

    • Donald Med

      No. That is ridiculous. If you examine a random group of one thousand Taiwanese/American Chinese tourists handling normal tourist activities and then examine a random group of one thousand PRC Chinese tourists doing the same you would see the PRC Chinese are much less well behaved. In fact by examining them in this way the Chinese behavior would seem even worse compared to the better Taiwanese/American Chinese behavior. If you did the same with Japanese tourists or Canadians etc.. forget about comparing them at all.

      As for it being a problem with the old. It is true that older Chinese are like animals when in crowds, far worse than middle school/ high school / university aged Chinese. But the 30 and 40 somethings are still bad and the children under 10 are nightmares. The only ones that are OK are young well educated people who grew up in tier 1 or 2 cities. Even if they are University students, if they spent their life in the countryside or in tier 3 or 4 cities they will never have waited in a line in their life and they will smoke, spit and throw garbage anywhere at any time.

      • Alex Dương

        He didn’t say that rudeness is perfectly proportional around the world; he said that even if that were true, you would still expect to see more rude Chinese tourists simply because there are so many Chinese people and Chinese tourists. So you’re probably going to see a lot more Chinese tourists than Taiwanese / American Chinese tourists. Even if rudeness were perfectly proportional, say at 5%, 5% of 100 is 5 while 5% of 1,000 is 50, so you’re going to see more rude Chinese just based on numbers.

    • Teacher in China

      I’m not sure that’s true. Have you ever come across numbers showing tourist numbers from all the countries? China has a huge population, but I think the number that travel internationally is still pretty small.

    • I dunno, there was a time in the 80’s when America had a HUGE influx of Japanese tourists, but they were never stereotyped as being rude. Just having lots of cameras and taking tons of photos.

      • Vance

        Japanese people seem to be some of the most soft spoken polite people in the world. Right up there with Canadians.

        • Jon

          They are very sensitive to social pressure. Depends on your loyalties, you can either see that as a good cultural trait or exhort the belligerent individualism of North American culture. The same human nature runs within all of us though, and the Japanese can be just as rude and aggressive if you open your eyes to passive aggressive cues.

          • Vance

            I wouldn’t trade the individualism of North America for anything. I don’t want to be compelled to be like everyone else. I know the Japanese are capable of crap like anybody else. However, in my limited dealings with them, it has been this soft spokeness and politeness.

        • Japanese are generally extremely racist and xenophobic, but also generally extremely polite and quiet about it. In this modern age when they are in foreign countries they do their best to be polite and respect customs.That’s more than I can say for many nationalities. I doubt US tourists live up to that standard. And yes, the Canadians are also really nice. I think that’s more genuine but they do have a sort of buried resentment for Americans, and for good reason!

          • Amused

            Yeah, cuz Americans are widely known to be plotting to steal all their maple syrup.


          • Vance

            That must be why they charge us so much for fishing licenses!

        • BrandeX

          “As early as 1881, Fukuzawa Yukichi had employed an equally vivid metaphor to introduce much the same theme. In a famous essay titled “A Critique of the Times,” Fukuzawa lavished praise on Japan’s progress in
          mastering Western learning. Japan, he enthused, was already standing with the West “at the center of civilization”—while China, by contrast, had manifestly failed to attain such enlightenment.”


          “We must not wait for neighboring countries to become civilized so that we can together promote Asia’s revival. Rather we should leave their ranks and join forces with the civilized countries of the West. We don’t have to give China and Korea any special treatment just because they are neighboring countries. We should deal with them as Western people do. Those who have bad friends cannot avoid having a bad reputation. I reject the idea that we must continue to associate with bad friends in East Asia.”

          I guess it was good thinking on that’s guys part, because nearly century and a half later they would have still been waiting for China to become civilized.

        • Kai

          Oooh, as much as I love the residents of our 51st state, I don’t think I’ve ever come across the stereotype of them being really soft-spoken and polite. Even discounting misleading vividness, I’ve met a lot of Canadians who are not like that (not saying they are necessarily loud and rude either).

          • Vance

            NO doubt there are a number there who don’t fit the steroetype. There always is, but I’ve always thought going there was like a breath of fresh air. The people there are generally just nice. Now, my most recent crossings have been at Niagara Falls. That may have something to do with it. New Yorkers are definitely not generally soft spoken! lol!! With 35 million people in a space larger than the US, I think Canada is much like a giant small town atmosphere. Quebec might be an exception. to my soft spoken impression. And compared to the Japanese, they certainly are not that soft spoken. No one beats the Japanese in that category I think.

    • Truth

      This guy knows the deal. He knows the math. China 1.4 billion vs the other countries. Seriously, this is a simple math that even a 3 year-old could do. Expect Indian tourists to be complained soon guys, they’re planning to be the world’s most populated country.

  • Ken Morgan

    Pfft you haven’t seen HK people. Eat with mouths open, cut into queues, will attempt to slide in front of you at escalators and the MTR, will happily burp and fart at the dinner table etc etc.

    • Alex Dương

      While I think the HK harassment shown in the recent articles is deplorable, in my (admittedly very limited) experience, I thought the difference in behavior between people in Guangzhou and people in HK was like night and day. Boarding a train in Guangzhou involves lots of bumping into other people, whereas entering / exiting public transit in HK is very orderly.

      • Ken Morgan

        There are trains and there is the MTR. On the MTR especially during rush hour and when there is a free seat is no holds barred craziness.

        • Bluex

          MTR scene is almost the same anywhere, Singapore, S.Korea, UK etc. Heck you even get bumped in Japan during rush hours. But none of these are as horrid as in China. As for Hong Kong, yes the stuffs you described do happened, but not frequently or by everyone. At least you don’t pee or poo.

    • WFH

      Sounds pretty much like Londoners..

  • AbC

    The first step to fixing a problem is to admit and recognise you have the problem.

    I’m glad so many Chinese respondents agreed that such behaviour 1. Exists, 2. Is embarasing, and 3. Needs to change. As long as 2-3% change for the better every year, then there is hope for the heavenly kingdom.

    • Shaniqua1990

      Wut, so it’d my duty to change someone else’s behavior because they live in the same country as me?

  • Poodle Tooth

    Are they at Incheon? Incheon airport has the cleanest bathrooms I’ve ever seen. They have these placards by the door with the name and photograph of the janitor assigned to clean each restroom; possibly to shame people into keeping it clean.

    It isn’t like Chinese people are incapable of queuing up. You wouldn’t see behavior like this at the Beijing airport.

    • Xman2014

      No, they are at Jeju Island – a very popular destination for mainland Chinese tourists. I’ve never seen the Jeju airport bathrooms, but I don’t doubt the Thai woman. The biggest complaints from Koreans that I saw in the TV news, about the Chinese tourists, are from the hotel cleaning workers in Korea who say the Chinese tourists don’t know how to use the sit down toilets. They complain that they have to constantly deal with the mess after the Chinese guests leave. Cigarrette butts all over the bathroom floors, unflushed shit, urine, and even muddy foot prints on the toilets (presuming that people still think it’s a squat toilet so they climb on it with their shoes on, to squat like in a squat toilet. Most hotels in Jeju now post up signs in Chinese how to use the sit down toilets with diagrams and all, yet those signs are still ignored.

  • Xman2014

    “She’s so pretty, but why does Thai sound so unpleasant?”

    It’s funny but, if the headlines didn’t say she was a Thai, I would have thought that she was speaking in Chinese. Thai and Chinese languages do sound pretty similar to untrained ears.

    • Cynic-Al

      I laughed. As if Chinese is a Romance language.

    • David

      Both are tonal languages, so you get a sing song effect on untrained ears. The same is true of Vietnamese and when I first studied it, I thought for sure it was the same as Chinese (but I was young and dumb with no actual experience of Chinese outside a Kung Fu movie). Being married to a Thai woman and studying Thai in University, the Thai language seems a little softer to me than Mandarin, still difficult but they do not always sound like they are yelling at each other (maybe because the default voice level is not shouting lol).

      • Vance

        It has always seemed to me that Chinese sing to each other, then I learned about tonality so now I know what is going on when they make those sounds.

        • David

          it always seemed to me they screamed at each other and I have studied three tonal languages. lol I think I would rather have your ears.

          • Vance

            I actually thought this lady was getting rather “squeaky”. She was so mad! It was actually rather funny. She was speaking Thai. Do chinese women sound like that? I would like to hear Chinese women speaking Chinese. and also hear Chinese women speaking English. Do you have links where I could find videos of that? I need to get used to how they sound.

          • David

            Links to Chinese women speaking Chinese? No. China is a noisy place I spend all my time trying NOT to hear people speaking.

  • Amused

    Hahahaha! I’ve got to show my wife this shit. She hates it why I harp on about how ghetto China and Chinese people are, so it will be good for her to see Westerners aren’t the only ones complaining.

    • Jon

      For the sake of simple human empathy, even if you don’t care about your marriage or your wife, it is probably advisable not to bash your wife’s culture like some sort of YouTube Internet pissing contest, especially if you’re just wanting to get that brief satisfaction of thinking you’re right or saying “I told you so”. Perhaps you can think of some sore spot intrinsic to your personal self that you wouldn’t like someone else picking at, then imagine your supposed closest family member picking at it just for the sake of proving she’s right or attempt at tilting the balance of power in the relationship. How’d you feel? And then she comes on the Internet and brags to strangers about it. Is that appropriate?

      • Amused

        Ehhh different people have different relationships. We like to tease each other about the foibles of our respective cultures as part of an ongoing battle over where we should live.
        And as for the feelings and empathy stuff, thanks Dr. Phil, m’kay.

        • Vance

          Amazing how many of the poeple on this China bashing site seem to be married to Chinese wives. So there must be something good in China.

          • bujiebuke

            I’ve decided to not write a book-length detail about this topic here. Suffice to say, there are a number of expats who do have Chinese wives here but not all of them are out to bash China at every opportunity.

          • Vance

            That’s good. I wondered in here one day while perusing the Net for info on things Chinese. This is not a tiny tropical island banana republic. This is one seventh of humanity! If they were as uniformly bad as it sometimes seems, The Earth would be toast!

          • Kai

            Argh, we’re not a China bashing site. If you want to claim much of the commenting community is, I can begrudge that, but not the site! :(

          • Amused

            Man, I’d say the majority of the “China Bashing” occurs because this is really the only forum going for foreigners who want to air their grievances OL(that’s code for bitching). Most of the cats who comment here live in China, and when you live in a country that’s not your own there’s a certain friction that occurs. So they get it out of their systems here. I highly doubt that all the folks that just pour out their vitriol here REALLY hate China; otherwise they’d GTFO.
            And I would hope we’re all much more polite and non-dickish on the street.

          • Vance

            To be fair, a large number of commenters on every site where China is a main topic seem to bash China. It is funny on the sites covering Chinese women. The tone I got from those sites is that the world has discovered a new species and is now trying to figure out what to do about it. There are how -to guides on how to date Chinese women. This is something I don’t think occurs as much with the Philippines or Ukraine, two other places in the world where Western men go seeking wives. I guess China is just a very different place in the world and most of the rest do not really understand what goes on there.

          • KamikaziPilot

            Just because you’re married to someone of x race/nationality doesn’t mean you don’t hate the rest of them. All it means is you’ve found one of them to marry. And like Kai said, this isn’t a China bashing site, however I do think a lot of the posters themselves do like to bash China to make themselves feel better.

        • Jon

          You may see it that way. Some bullies think they are just how the world works. Some Muslims think they’re restoring honour by raping and killing their sisters/wives. Some husbands think domestic violence is physical and psychological abuse is teasing, Dr Phil stuff. Perhaps your marriage/wife is your sore spot (although you had a very calm and understandable reply to my impost on your personal life), but if it is a sensitive area, you probably wouldn’t like me digging at it even as a stranger. Your wife would probably be more receptive to what you want and where you want to live if you shower her with gifts and love instead of criticising her heritage and ethnic culture, which she can’t really renounce or give up. The best she can do is to criticise her own self and devalue her own self esteem.

          • Amused

            Hahahaha, that’s a pretty funny read man.
            The idea of anyone psychologically abusing(which is bullshit) my wife is frankly ludicrous. The woman is a human bulldozer with more self esteem than the average Jack Russel terrier, and with all the shit I have to endure over gangbangers, rednecks, bullies, addicts and frat boys… well thank you very much, but I’ll take my ammunition where I can find it.
            As to making her more willing to migrate, well I’ll have to convince the US govt to scrap the IRS and the RICO laws…
            But thanks for being concerned with our emotional well-being and whatnot and I hope you have yourself a groovy day.

  • bujiebuke

    There’s no argument that the line looks chaotic and her accusation about Chinese tourists being rude are true in general. But if you look at the line where she claims that other countries/Thais are queuing, it looks equally like a cluster fuck.

    The issue here is that the refund booth at the airport clearly didn’t anticipate all these people and somehow forgot to use stanchions for crowd control. It’s not surprising at all that things got out of control when you have a crowd of people who are stressed out and crammed together without any form of crowd control. The person in charge of the refund counter shares the blame on this one.

    • 42

      you are soo right, chinese tourists are not responsible for lining up, its whoever runs the place has to form queues, much like at an airport check in counter. if you look carefully at the video, there is indeed no crowd control at all, its the organizations fault, not the fault of the tourists. and besides, fuck etiquette, its survival of the fittest baby, thats the way i like mainland chinese, just do it my way or the highway, they are for real, not some fake ass shit pretending to be courteous while you dont actually mean it. like this thai lady talking behind peoples back and uploading the video on youtube, denouncing a bunch of tourists and has the nerve to shove the blame to a whole group of ethnic chinese and nation, thats racist, talk about rude!

      chinese eat like there is no tommorrow, play like there is no tommorow, some people call it rude, i fucking love it! being polite is so overrated.

      • Bing

        lol what are you talking about? why are Chinese tourists suppose to line up? are they paid to doing this? And are we talking about some management problems here at the airport?

        • Amused

          Why are people not supposed to run around naked, eating bananas and throwing their own poo at each other? Are we paid to do this?
          Its called civilization. It’s cool stuff.

          • 42

            people dont go run around naked, throwing poo at each other, is not because its not human nature, or its uncivilized, its because its illegal. the law tells people how they should behave, but people who behave according to the law does not mean its human nature. so civilized behavior needs to be educated and enforced, it does not come by automatically by birth.

          • Amused

            Admit it. You have a secret desire to throw poo at people.

          • 42

            especially at you.

            admit it, you like being thrown at.

          • Amused

            I always attract the kinky ones.

          • 42

            deep down inside your all time fantasy is being smeered poo at all over your face, drowning in it.

          • Amused

            “deep down inside” you must be a 50 something Japanese dude with a tentacle monster living in his closet, lolz.

          • 42

            you mentioned throwing poo at people while running naked, so who is really the big fat perverted japanese here?

          • Amused

            I said,’Why are people not supposed to run around naked, eating bananas and throwing their own poo at each other”.

            You said,”people dont go run around naked, throwing poo at each other, is not because its not human nature, or its uncivilized, its because its illegal”.

            This implies that if it wasn’t illegal you’d be roaming trouser-free and slinging doo-doo at your fellow pedestrians…
            Mr. Japanese man.

          • 42

            there are many examples in any country for that matter, that mature people pisses on street corners eventhough they have a civilized upbringing and eventhough its illegal.

            I can imagine if running around naked or slinging poo was not illegal, some people might be doing it. but that doesnt imply i would do it, mr tentacle man.

          • Amused

            “there are many examples in any country for that matter, that mature people pisses on street corners eventhough they have a civilized unbringing and eventhough its illegal”
            But nice try Kinky-Sama ;)

          • 42

            not bullshit, but golden showers my friend. especially drunk people, or people who had a night out, or poeple alongside roads that cant keep their peepee up while driving. na-ha its illegal to piss on public places, but they still do it~

          • Amused

            That’s not “mature people”.

          • 42

            touche, i have to give you that.

          • left nut

            up-voted, because you made me LOL with that comeback

          • gregblandino

            This entire exchange made me laugh. If only we could pass comprehensive poo throwing reform man. It’s a dream.

      • bujiebuke

        I’m pointing out that the apparent lack of crowd controlling mechanism contributed to the chaos. Chinese tourist proclivities likely contributed to the disarray as well. Which part of this do you have an issue with?

        • 42

          in china almost everywhere, the first who manages to get in line, is the first who get served. with 1.3 billion people, and at some occasions hundreds in line, you would be crazy not to fight for your place. this is not due to lack of manner, its a necessity. so can we blame the mainland chinese? no.

          in other words, the airport lack of crowd control is here at fault, and the thai lady has no class in ridiculing chinese tourists, her standard of civilized behavior doesnt have to mean others have to be the same.

          • bujiebuke

            In this case, was it necessity for mainlanders to push and shove in order to get their refunds faster knowing that eventually everyone who waits in line will? There’s a clear difference between getting ahead in the line when your life depends on survival versus doing the same thing to shave 10 min of your time.

            Mainlanders adapted certain behaviors due to famine and war. I believe in time, they will adjust their manners to be more consistent with a modernized country. Overcrowding is a serious issue, but it cannot be used as an excuse for bad behavior.

          • 42

            maybe it was a necessity maybe it was not, who knows? maybe all of them have a plane to catch after getting their duty free tax returned, maybe they were part of a touring group and they need to catch a bus to their hotel. we don’t know the reason so we cannot judge merely by a videoclip of a ranting woman. we even don’t know if they were all mainland chinese.

            the point is, people need to understand the background and culture of other people, especially the tourist industries and especially an airport facility. I do not consider this bad behavior, it could be considred a habit. whether its a bad habit, that can be debated.

            but if a flock of chinese tourist head to the counter to get their duty free tax refunds, then the responsible manager on the floor should act accordingly and command their personel to set up some queues or control the flow of customers.

            In china its a normal custom to fight for your place, as i said earlier its a necessity, chinese themselves might not even consider this as a bad habit or bad behavior, they probably even considers this as normal behavior, a behavior of necessity, where among chinese themselves they have no problem with.

            if other countries have some issues with this behavior, then that is their problem, not of the tourists, instead they need to take necessary measures to control such behavior if they are not fond of it.

            so to summarize it shortly, for those who are acustomed to this behavior, it is considered normal. it is only bad behavior for those who are not used to this.

          • jaded

            I feel sorry for you growing up here, seeing this as normal behaviour and not knowing any better. Poor wretch.

          • bujiebuke

            I’ll try one last time.

            The behaviors that are under question were adopted by Chinese during famine/war/social upheaval. They fought for lines because their lives depended on it. These same set of tactics are still used in everyday life such as shoving to exit/enter buses or trains. In this context, these behaviors are no longer appropriate within modern China.

      • jaded

        typical PRC mindset: always somebody elses fault. Nobody told them to queue? Are you fucking serious? If that’s true, then it’s also true about you people lacking critical/independent thinking skills. You need to be told what to do, just like you have been since 1949.

        Then you try to ‘Gangsta it up’. Yo, this is the jungle baby, it’s the survival of the fittest! So you’re a hunter are you? I’ll bet you’re a one handed typist, living in his mother’s basement.

        Furthermore, I’m convinced your martial art fighting style amounts to getting your phone out of your pocket and calling your friends when faced in a potential fight situation. This, being the hero you are.

        Of course she was shovelling the blame onto Chinese Tourists- they’re to blame you moron! You’re trying to play the race card here? You for real?

        Chinese people are also some of the most boring, apathetic people I’ve ever met. Many whom i’ve spoken to have never been anywhere, have no meaningful hobbies, don’t watch TV, don’t drink (only bad people go to bars you know) and so on. So many just focus on work to grab a bigger slice of the pie.

        They don’t play ‘like there’s no tomorrow’ , or ‘live life to the max’ at all. Quite the opposite IME.

        You’re the real loser if you view the Thai lady as a loser for queuing up you nongming. This isn’t the cultural revolution anymore. you don’t need to scramble or fight for your rice rations you peasant.

    • Bing

      attacking Chinese on everything is like one of the fashion now. Why not? They can’t visit facebook, they care nothing about google, they hardly speak okey english, and even 10% of the tourists are garbage, they represent the 1.3B people as a group. MY ENEMY IS THIS MUCH and i have to do it.

      • bujiebuke

        “MY ENEMY IS THIS MUCH and i have to do it.”

        you lost me here…

        • Bing

          lol my Chinglish hurts and now i’m lost by myself.
          what i intended to say was:
          Well wth there are so many Chinese people and I have sinophobia, they all of them are evil.

    • David

      Except that, according to the woman, it was orderly and quite calm a few moments before, when the Chinese tourists were not there. Thai people are probably the friendliest and most polite in all of Asia. to see one get this upset and film it is incredible.

      • bujiebuke

        That doesn’t negate anything I wrote. The line behind her that she claimed were Thais appeared equally chaotic. Even if we take her word that everything was orderly before the Chinese tourist arrived, then how could ALL Chinese tourist end up ahead of a line that was jam packed with people? Think about this for a milli-second.

        “to see one get this upset and film it is incredible.”

        This makes me want to vomit. Your applying the stereotype of a racial group to one person. We don’t know anything about this women’s character other than her viral rant video.

        • David

          Vomit all you like, she was there and there is no reason to think it was anyway other than she describes it, except that you want it to be. As for why all the Thai people behind her were bunched up and upset, it s obviously because a bunch of Chinese tourists just cut in front of all of them instead of standing in line.

          • bujiebuke

            The only person making assumptions here is you. We can take her word with a grain of salt, but the evidence in the video clearly shows that:

            1. The Chinese tourist are in front of the line
            2. The Thai/other group is behind this women making the video
            3. The line behind the women appears equally chaotic
            4. There’s no crowd control mechanism to speak of

            It’s hilarious that you think a large group of people magically made it in front of a packed line. As if Thai group just happened to create enough space so that another group of passengers can cut through. Oh please, do me a favor keep your fantasies/biases to yourself or contain it in your own thread.

  • Raymond

    Phichitamphon, How is this pronounced? Fiji Tampon?

    • filthyswit .


    • WFH

      I doubt she can use a tampon given that she’s likely pre-op….

      • Stefan
        • Guest

          In terms of girlfriend surprises, would you rather have a girlfriend who has a penis or used to have one, or a girlfriend that tells you she’s pregnant because the condom broke (because it was expired or kept in a hot place) and/or she took her contraceptive pills with antibiotics?

          Plus, if she has a penis, you know she won’t be faking her orgasm?

          I just don’t get why girlfriend with a penis or hot hookup you took home turns out to be a transexual or mid-transition is suppose to be this huge /worst/ nightmare for men. Okay, if you are completely hetersexual and squicked even by a woman who /used/ to be a man, just walk away. Surely that isn’t the only or worst dealbreaker for you? What if you went to the home of a hot cis women, but her home is full of cats, and every one of those cats is following you and staring even when the clothes start to come off? Or she is a Twilight fangirl who has painted Edward Cullen’s face on the ceiling over her bed (I wouldn’t fall asleep there if I were you)?

          • Amused

            “I just don’t get why girlfriend with a penis or hot hookup you took home turns out to be a transexual or mid-transition is suppose to be this huge /worst/ nightmare for men.”

            That’s probably a good indication that chicks might not be your thing man. Or at least not exclusively.

            Most straight dudes wouldn’t hesitate to plow the “cat lady” if the choice is between her and the Man-gina/hooker-with-a-penis dude.

    • diverdude7

      cracked me up (my daughter is 1/2 Thai)

  • Bing

    it is political correct to blame Chinese tourists for anything: bad management, bad planning, or, why you chinese people want refund; not enough bathroom, dirty bathroom; no this to buy, not that to buy……
    Definitely we Chinese are taking the “most unwelcome tourists” from Japanese and US big ones.
    Cheers. 風水輪流轉。

  • JayJay

    She seems to prefer white drunken anti-social gap year students than Chinese tourists not queuing. I have been to Thailand many times and the rowdy behaviours of many western tourists are much worse than the Chinese. Especially in Thailand, lots of young people getting drunk on a daily baisid. Why is it that Chinese people are often picked on?

    • filthyswit .

      I’m guessing those drunken tourists were in spots you would expect to see drunken tourists. These Chinese are in an airport where everybody is under a certain amount of stress and are not used to the chaotic Chinese way of queuing up.

      • JayJay

        Actually, drunk westerners are every where in Thailand. Airport is when I first saw some. I believe they were on their way home. Seemed very happy and loud.

  • chucky3176

    This is just minor problem to what really is a huge problem for the Korean people living in Jeju. Jeju Island is the largest island in South Korea, off the southern coast between Korea and Japan. It’s a semi tropical island, famous for its oranges and Haenyeo (traditional women divers who have been deep sea diving for centuries, to hunt for seafood). It’s also island that used to be popular with South Korean honey mooners who enjoyed clean semi tropical air, palm trees, white sand beaches, and breath taking views of the rocks and the sea. To me, the island’s landscape of vast green grasslands sort of reminds me of Ireland. To Koreans, Jeju used to be all about nature, a quick get away from the rush of the cities. But no more. It’s now turn into one massive giant construction site by Chinese development companies.

    Jeju Island is so popular with Chinese tourists because it is the only part of South Korea where they require no VISA to visit for 30 days. Five million Chinese tourists visited Jeju Island in 2014 and the number is growing each year, as the island is suffering from the crowds. Jeju only has 800,000 people living in the island. So you have more Chinese tourists than the locals. From 2013, Chinese are allowed to buy land and property in Jeju, in return for permanent residency. This has turned the rush into a massive property boom, as Chinese investors rush into the island. Massive amounts of Jeju’s clean and pristine lands are being bought out by unnamed sources in China. I’m guessing much of that money are from corrupt sources who are trying to avoid China’s crack down on government corruption.

    There are at least 20 Chinese construction projects that were approved by the Jeju self governing office. And they are massive projects that are practically paving over the nature with concrete. They are building massive condominium and housing projects, all of them were bought by rich Chinese immigrants. They are also building illegal casinos and hotels. When the land was sold, and the Jeju government gave permission for the projects, the Chinese companies were supposed to build a hospital or a hotel. Instead, the Chinese companies change plans right after the contract and starts building casinos and shopping malls. The Chinese construction companies are also buying up land, and paving over environmentally protected areas by bulldozing the once beautiful areas. The Jeju people are either being bought out of Jeju by the Chinese or they are being driven out of their lands because they can’t afford the rapidly rising rent. Yet the Jeju government does nothing to curtail this rampant abuse of practices and they refuse to help protect its residents because they really think the Chinese money will help the economy of Jeju.

    In reality, it does little for the people of Jeju. The Chinese buy up the lands, build their condos, houses, hotels, casinos, resorts, and shopping centers. But all of them are for the benefit of the Chinese immigrant or Chinese tourists. They don’t hire the locals, they don’t deal with local businesses, nor do they contribute to the local economy. The Chinese tourists use Chinese tour companies to tour. These Chinese tour companies then have profitable arrangements with Chinese owned hotels, Chinese owned casinos, and Chinese owned shopping malls. The entire infrastructure is geared towards self sustaining Chinese economy within Jeju Island. And the locals are just looking in, from the outside, totally shut out. The locals only see the prices like the housing prices rise to unsustainable levels, customers drop as mainland Koreans stay away from the island which is now known as one massive Chinatown for Chinese only. Other tourists from Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, US, etc are also dropping rapidly (they all dropped by 30% from 2013), as more and more Chinese influx discourages tourists from other countries who are intimidated by the sheer number of Chinese people on the island. This is not good for Jeju. Because if something political happens and relations between Korea and China goes sour, the dependence on one source for tourism will hurt deeply, not only that, it puts Jeju and South Korea in general, at the mercy of China.

    • yes
      and someone should do an interview with the ajummas that clean the mens room to find out what they think about tourists from china

      • chucky3176

        There isn’t any huge backlash in South Korea against Chinese tourists, as there are in Hong Kong and Thailand. Yet.

        But here’s your interview with an incensed 70 year old ajumma who’s responsible for cleaning public washrooms at a sight seeing park, who at 1:20 who says she’s sick and tired of cleaning up after the pigs. She says they climb onto the public toilets with their shoes on, and the news report shows the pictogram and written instructions in Chinese, on how to properly use the toilet.

        Other types of complaints in the news report include:

        1) Hordes of tourists jay walking dangerously on streets, ignoring traffic rules and even ignoring traffic cops, and slowing down traffic.

        2) Smoking in non-smoking zones near cultural relics and environmental treasures – fire hazards, and told politely to butt out by park authorities, yet still continue to smoke, ignoring everyone.

        3) The buffet restaurant owner who says Chinese customers who leave without paying just because they can’t see the cashier (the restaurant goes by the honor system, once you finish eating, you’re supposed to put the money inside the jar), and he says all he got back was $7, from the Chinese tour group of 40 people – totally pissed, he puts out a sign that says “we refuse to serve Chinese tour groups”.

        Chinese tourists should tour by themselves instead of touring in arranged groups organized by travel agents who rip them off. These agencies offer cheap travel packages, and all they do is take these tourists to arranged courses and make them buy stuff in arranged stores with ripoff prices. Then these agencies get a cut from the shops and restaurants, and hotels. When you have very large groups of people at once, the bad manners will be magnified 100 times. It’s far better to arrange your own tour and travel independently.

    • bujiebuke

      “Because if something political happens and relations between Korea and China goes sour, the dependence on one source for tourism will hurt deeply,”

      This isn’t consistent with the same paragraph where your arguing that Chinese investment in Jeju Island is only benefiting Chinese. For example, here:

      “the entire infrastructure is geared towards self sustaining Chinese economy within Jeju Island.”

      and here

      “The locals only see the prices like the housing prices rise to unsustainable levels,”

      By your argument, if all Chinese tourists and investments stopped pouring into Jeju island, then that would be a positive for local Koreans. Is this what your contending?

      • chucky3176

        No, what I’m saying is pretty consistent. The flood of Chinese tourists to Jeju (which basically has done little to help Jeju’s economy) has chased away investments and other tourists from mainland Korea, and from other countries. The environmental destruction of the island is at a whole different scale. The corrupted black money that came in the form of investments and construction projects to Jeju just recirculates back to China, and little of that money is pumped back into the Jeju economy. Instead, it’s doing more harm because it makes Jeju depended on the Chinese to stay afloat, and when the artificially created bubble bursts, Jeju’s economy will pop as well. They were doing fine before the Chinese came, but now they will be in a worse situation before the Chinese arrived. When the Chinese transient money leaves, Jeju will be left to hold the bag with ugly unfinished concrete jungle left everywhere on the island, as property values collapse.

        Or maybe the bubble may not burst at all, and more and more Chinese arrive and turn the entire island into a semi-Chinese state, replacing anything Korean with Chinese. Most of the dozens of entire condo villages that are going up right now like mushrooms, are 100% owned by Chinese buyers from Shanghai and Beijing. The construction companies that are building these projects are all Chinese who bring their cheap labor Chinese workers, so even the locals don’t get any benefits out of these projects. The Korean construction companies can’t compete with the Chinese construction companies whose labor rates are far below South Korean’s. So how does this all benefit Jeju and South Korea?

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming on Chinese for taking advantage of poor short sighted policies by the Korean government who are basically gaining short term profits for few rich people who are doing well by selling their lands to the Chinese. I’m more mad at the Korean government and some of those rich officials who are selling out the country to China. If I were the Chinese, and I see a golden opportunity to buy more land and colonize it on the cheap from some poor stupid SOB in charge, I would do the exact same thing. I’m far more angry and disgusted at the Korean government who’s acting like a third world government during the colonial times.

        • bujiebuke

          I understand what you wrote now. My exposure to the Korean government is what I see and read in western media – they tend to be protectionist while making attempts at “colonizing” southern Asia by buying up land for farming. This facet about Jeju island is interesting and something I haven’t heard of before. I’ll have to do some more digging in the future.

    • Sum Ting Wong

      I do believe the relations between the two countries will go sour one day, if the Koreans are wise enough they should start to prepare for it now.

  • today at the university of toronto a chinese “tourist” student had his shoes off and was lying down on one of those long ass benches in the hallway with the grace of a buddha looking at weibo on his kidney phone and giggling like a sanlu baby seal

    i dont know what was more sexy, the fair skin of his 7 month pregnancy stomach or the concise and rhythmic motions his hand maintained when he went for the lost treasures in his nose

    i wanted to just go up to him and rub his feet all over my face and with my tongue embrace the sweat deposits on his calvin klein socks

  • filthyswit .

    Kohn Jeen gaa mai dee!

  • Teacher in China

    Several things to say
    1) The second commenter I think nailed it. People here are used to having to fight just to get anything at all – it’s a hard habit to break. Never is this more clear to me than when I go to the hospital. It’s a fucking shitshow.

    2) The comments about how this is mostly older people doing this I think is wrong. I think it’s more likely to be due to where you’re from. The more modern first tier cities will have more people with manners (even though there will still be some country bumpkins fresh to the big city acting horribly). Where I am in China (small farming town Dongbei) it is all age groups that behave like this; only a very few people with any kind of manners at all, and they are of all age groups as well.

    3) The airplane boarding comment reminds me of how annoying that is in China. I end up fighting to get closer to the front of the line mostly because Chinese people spend so much money at duty free that the luggage space inevitably disappears quickly. Honestly, I have seen people coming onto the plane with 4 or more massive bags of duty free and then being astounded that there’s nowhere to put them all. So I fight to get on early so that I can claim my rightful luggage space above my seat.

    4) The comment about the New Rich being responsible for a lot of this behaviour is also pretty spot on. I’ve found those people in particular to be guilty of all kinds of selfish and annoying behaviour, not to mention their need to shout out to the world how much money they have by wearing and having all the most expensive foreign stuff they can find.

    5) Heartening to see so many commenters showing embarrassment at this; that will go a long way towards the present generation changing the international opinion of travelling Chinese, which for the moment is unfortunately rightly quite negative.

  • Lcc

    This reminds me of when I was at Jcpenney with my mother. We were standing in line, it was a really short line with two cashiers, there was a mother and a daughter parallel to us in the next line, they looked like they were from India. When my mother was about to approach the counter, the older woman rushed in front of my mother, tersely saying she was the one who was next in line. The cashier looked shocked and her daughter looked embarrassed. What was really odd was that they were the only people left in their line. Instead of stepping up to the cashier in front of her, she ran in front of my mother. We just moved over to the cashier they would have checked out with.

  • FYIADragoon

    Reminds me of how when I went to university, they had to add Chinese to all of the cheap paper signs in the dormitory hallways reminding students that smoking is not allowed indoors. Had substantial Spanish students too, but they didn’t ever add Spanish to any signs….

  • filthyswit .

    1:40 till the end is great.

  • Irvin

    Well….she can be nice and civil and join the line but we would survive better when the zombie apocalypse comes.

  • WFH

    She’s a model? Maybe for Transgender Weekly or something..

  • 42

    in china almost everywhere, the first who manages to get in line, is the first who get served. with 1.3 billion people and at some occasions hundreds in line, you would be crazy not to fight for your place. this is not due to lack of manners, its a necessity!
    so can we blame the mainland chinese? no.

    in other words, the korean airport lack of crowd control is here at fault, and the thai lady has no class and is rude for ridiculing chinese tourists, her standard of civilized behavior doesnt have to mean others have to abide to the same.

    if the airport ground personel dont allow cutting in lines then they should have taken measures accordingly.

    • David

      Nobody in the civilized world allows cutting in line. You are simply trying to deflect the blame these people deserve. While I don’t think you should feel shame you should admit when these people have done wrong and they have. Even the vast majority of Chinese commenters say they did wrong.

      • 42

        thats what i am saying, what have they done wrong? the airport personel is still serving them, if they have done wrong the ground crew should have ask them to wait in line, but they didnt. the airport organization should ask themselves what measures have they done wrong to allow this to happen, and how they should have prevented this. you cannot demand customers to behave, the only thing you can do is to inform about airport regulations and enforce them.

        • Dolph Grunt

          I visited China (Chongqing and Shanghai) very recently for the lunar new year. While in Shanghai, I was on the subway, transferring trains. In order to do this, I had to go down a flight of stairs.

          I have never, in my life, seen so many signs illustrating which stairs were for traveling down and which stairs were for traveling up. I literally counted. There were 49 signs on this staircase, just for one way. There were giant signs on the floor, signs on the ceiling, signs on the wall, even signs on each step.

          And yet… people went up or down whichever staircase they pleased, regardless of how many people there were and pushing people out of their way, even though they were going the wrong way. I had hurt my knee so I was using the railing for a little support and had several people literally walk right into me. It was like they expected me to let go and get out of their way. When I didn’t, I got the old “Ai you” curse.. I joked with my friend about it, “They need a guy with a big stick.”

          A couple of days later (might have just been the time of day) they had guards posted at the top and bottom of the staircase forcing people to go the correct way.

        • vincent_t

          Oh i get it. Wat the airport has done wrong is that they didn’t expect to have stone age visitors. The airport need to learn how entertain those stone age people, because you simply can’t get stone age people to learn some modern rules and orders.

      • 42

        another example is, you could goto any international airport in china and you don’t see such chaotic situations as in this korean airport. so that means mainland chinese are capable to wait in line perfectly fine. some places waiting in line are enforced and regulated very decently and some places are not. thats the main difference between chaos and order, and is due to the amount of well implemented crowd control. so this has nothing to do with the civilized behavior of customers. the focus in this video is too much on the chinese tourists (in fact actually how do we know they are all mainland chinese?) the focus should be on the ill management at this airport gate.

        • chucky3176

          Maybe Chinese people will listen to Chinese authorities, but many Chinese don’t listen to South Korean authorities. They just ignore them as if they don’t exist or not worth the effort to comply. Chinese tour guides tell their customers that Korea was a vassal state of China, and that Koreans worship the ground that Chinese walk on. One guide even told his bus tour that there are no beautiful Korean women because all the real beautiful ones were all given away to China, now Korea’s only left with fake beautiful plastic surgery women. Another guide told his group that Seoul’s subway station was built with the help and generosity of the Chinese government and people. Another guide told his group, Koreans are envious of Chinese, whenever Chinese people speak loudly in Chinese. These were all documented undercover videos of how the Chinese tour guides in Korea operate. I think at least some of the fault lies with the Chinese tour guides, and some fault lies with the superior feeling of Chinese people who seriously think they are visiting a vassal state or a province of China, so they can do whatever they want.

          • Rosemon Calvin Pilot

            WTF!!! I’d be pissed if I was one of those undercover operatives hearing all that shit about my country being a vassal state of china, did anyone ever call out and confront the tour guides on that shit!

          • chucky3176

            Most Chinese think Korea is a rightful vassal state of China that will be reclaimed in the future. Most Chinese people probably don’t even realize this, but the Communist Party military even published China’s ultimate goal for China in Asia in 2050, in which Korea to be “returned” to China as a vassal state. Of course, most Koreans would vehemently disagree with this, but we are already seeing plenty of results of how China is playing off Korea, to separate it away from the US.

          • vincent_t

            I believe “Most Chinese” would take you as an idiot by your above comments.

          • bujiebuke

            “Most Chinese think Korea is a rightful vassal state of China that will be reclaimed in the future.”

            Seriously, I’ve literally never heard anyone claim this. Where did you even get this idea?

          • Kai

            No, there are far more Chinese tourists who seemingly ignore Korean authorities because those authorities can’t be bothered to cross a language barrier to effectively deal with Chinese tourists when they “misbehave”. This is similar to how many Chinese authorities do likewise with foreigners in China. If the infraction is not serious enough, they will turn a blind eye because it just isn’t worth the effort to them. Consequently, the Chinese tourists are not confronted and continue engaging in such misbehavior.

            Next, you’re citing undercover videos without providing any actual sources. I wouldn’t be surprised that such “undercover videos” exist. Media companies in Korea, like any those in any other nation, are not above creating sensationalistic content where isolated incidents are cobbled together into one massive misleading vividness fallacy that does not remotely accurately reflect the usual state of affairs.

            There are surely some idiotic Chinese tour guides and there are certainly some Chinese tourists with strange superiority complexes THUS RESULTING in the possibility that they ignore Korean authorities but are you really going to go out on a limb and argue that there is some systemic, institutionalized practice where Chinese tour guides talk shit about Korea and foster an superiority complex in their Chinese tour groups that then results in all those Chinese tourists snubbing their noses at the poor Korean authorities who consistently and diligently confront their misbehavior?

            Come on, dude, this is dishonest. At least have the decency to caveat that these were exceptional incidents. You sound like Chinese psychos who seized onto some Hong Kong tour guides treating mainlanders like shit insinuating that’s how all Hong Kong tour guides operate.

  • David

    Funniest comment
    “Domestically, you can be as arbitrary as you want, but don’t go to
    other people’s territory and embarrass Chinese people! At least first
    learn some Japanese!”

  • David

    So going to HK or Macau is considered being an international tourist now? Taiwan I understand (it argues it is a different country) but I never did get why Chinese need a passport to go to HK or Macau.

  • B*tches, Leave

    I think they are just scared. Scared of many things … of things that we foreigners don’t even think about. I would be scared too if I were a Chinese citizen in China.

  • Sawasdee

    “When I was going through [airport] immigration in Thailand, the worker was extremely slow, and their staff would allow Europeans and Americans to cut in line [going first], seeing a lot of Europeans and Americans doing so, while it was the Chinese people who lined up. There are two sides to everything”

    Having been to Thailand many times all I can say is this is not true (except for Thai immigration being exceptionally slow and poorly organized). I have had more than one experience where some dalu’er is literally breathing down my neck and trying to inch forward constantly like that will make the line move faster. And Chinese at the total palace, I’ve seen them just throwing their trash all over the royal grounds. while I don’t hold the Thai Royal family in any kind of high regard ( looking forward to the republic of Thailand honestly), such behavior is extremely insulting to many Thais even those that don’t care for the Rama cult. Chinese have a well deserved bad rep internationally for such behavior, and their foreign policy is almost the same in political sense ( going around being loud and disrespectful and putting their stuff where it doesn’t belong)!

    • 42

      Chinese have a well deserved bad rep internationally for such behavior,
      and their foreign policy is almost the same in political sense ( going
      around being loud and disrespectful and putting their stuff where it doesn’t belong)!

      same can be said about americans, so what is your point?

      • Irvin

        EXACTLY! anus is no place for a penis, yet on every american porn I download, there is always anal.

    • Dolph Grunt

      They might have been talking about the line for countries requiring visas and countries that did not. I’ll bet you that’s what it was and they just didn’t understand.

      I went to Thailand with a group of people, some from China. The Chinese took a while to go through immigration because they had to have their visas checked.

      That being said, the ONLY situation we got ourselves into was with the Chinese we had with us. They got into a screaming fight with a blind street vendor.

  • and yet the US keeps warships around there to prevent war from breaking out between China and… itself?

    • Luke the Duke

      US policy is that any conflict between the mainland and Taiwan would be treated as an internal Chinese affair. Were hostilities to break out, the US wouldn’t do anything with those warships.

      • I’m not convinced that’s the case, but I also hope my conviction is never tested. Things are working nicely as they are for the meanwhile. Harmonious, as some would say. :)

  • Poodle Tooth

    I’d be more impressed if the groundskeeper had picked up the cigarette butt and burned the guy with it.

  • Guest2

    I’d like to see the Chinese tech savvy youths fight back by making videos of the vast majority of well behaving mainland Chinese and put together a meme like, ‘how not to be a Chinese’. This will highlight the negative selective fallacy of news stories and our own human fallacy to selectively remember negative news about others.

  • Vance

    She is quite expressive…and some upset.

  • wang

    Was discussing something similar with my wife the other day. The problem is many children here are not raised by their parents. Meaning that mindsets of infants are pushed back two generations. I had a long battle to allow my wife and I to care for our child (still going on but we are winning). Why would it be better for them to teach children outdated manners, often leading to poor behavior. Also, they spoil the children. I visited my grandparents as a child, and they spoiled me, can not imagine if they had to take care of me,

  • Robin Xi

    She’s not queuing, she’s filming. And yelling. Hell, I would push her out of the way too…

  • Stefan

    Actually I find that Chinese are very good people, polite with manners. Of course there will be exceptions and considering that China is world’s largest country you are bound to have a lot good and bad people. But percentage wise Chinese aren’t worse than any other people including westerners.

    Btw, she’s cute, I love Thai girls. :)

    • hess

      “But percentage wise Chinese aren’t worse than any other people including westerners.” Define “bad”, theres definitely a higher percentage of people who cut lines in China than their are in Sweden for example.

      • Stefan

        It might be more common in China but not as common as many people want it to sound like, when I lived in China I never came across people cutting in line or not queuing.

        • hess

          Oh PLEASE what a load of bullshit. You NEVER came across people cutting in line while living in China? I do find it less common that people cut in line in Shanghai than in say, Shijiazhuang. But I’ve definitely seen it in every single city I’ve visited.

          • Stefan

            Cities I’ve lived in: Shanghai, Beijing, and Shenzhen.

            Cities I’ve visited: Guangzhou, Qingdao and Shenyang.

          • hess

            And you’re either blind or full of shit.

          • ParkJeongher

            Line cutting is uncivilized behavior? Obviously you’ve never been to an IKEA in the Northeast U.S. on a weekend.

          • hess

            No, no I have not. I havent been to the US at all.

          • Amused

            Who said Yankees have manners? The stereotype within the US is that people from the Northeastern region of the US are the least polite.

    • guest

      Chinese-Americans are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Britons are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Canadians are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Hong-Kongers are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Indonesians are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Malaysians are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Singaporeans are very good people, polite with manners.
      Chinese-Taiwanese are very good people, polite with manners.

      Plus, the Chinese from the parts of China that escaped the worst, beating-teachers-to-death excess of the cultural revolutions I guess. I know there are villages that actually don’t know who the current Chinese dictator is. Plus cities that were lucky enough to have a sane local government that gives a damn (e.g. Zhou Enlai).

      • Alex Dương

        There are assholes, nice people, and people in between everywhere in the world.

        • Amused

          Probably the truest thing anyone will post on this page.

        • guest

          Yes, but generalizations exist as a reality because of history and institutions.

          In America, not every American is an isolationist and gun nut, but thanks to the NRA and a history that had at the time, necessitated private ownership of arms – you are more likely to get shot for knocking on the wrong door in a castle doctrine state than anywhere else in the developed world.

          Even in my beloved Canada, there is the general reality that an aboriginal women is likely to be sexually exploited and murder because the the police in general would dismiss her as a an addict or a sex worker (who doesn’t count as people, apparently – so Robert Pickton got to kill at least 40 of them in BC). Because it was the norm to treat them as non-people, normal, otherwise decent people today, might still walk by and dismiss an aboriginal person lying on the street as drunk instead of fallen down with illness, or considering WHY they drink.

          My grandparents are from Mainland China, so I was shock to see the misbehaviour of some PRC Chinese when they finally entered the world at large, because my grandparents were never like that. My parents say PRC today in /general/ behave that way because of the Cultural Revolution and subsequent bad governance. Sure there will be some individuals who have good morals and manners still, who have parents who taught them outside of school – but it’s going to be less, than in a country where kids were encouraged to tell on their parents.

          I even read that in some communities decades ago, family meals were disallowed, people had to eat with the whole community in great dining halls together, under the watchful eyes of everyone else.

          • Alex Dương

            I don’t think it’s a good idea to generalize the way you have. Ethnic Chinese in the U.S., the U.K., Canada, etc. are people just like anyone else. It isn’t like there are no rude Americans, British, or Canadians.

          • guest

            When I generalize, I generalize that people from China would have more problematic social behaviour than people from the civilized west – regardless of ethnicity. I”m an ethnic Chinese.

            Prior to PRC being opened up, the Western world actually had favourable impression of “Chinese people’ as being polite and well behaved, hardworking and smart in math. That’s because the Chinese people they are used to are ethnic Chinese from Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Chinese-Americans that was born and raised in North American, Chinese that got out before the cultural revolution.

            …and whenever I say American, I also implicitly include ethnic Chinese-Americans.

          • Dolph Grunt

            “Prior to PRC being opened up, the Western world actually had favourable impression of “Chinese people” as being polite and well behaved, hardworking and smart in math.”

            Really? Two words: HuangPu Park

            Look it up :)

  • Stefan
    • Yes!

      Pretty obvious she’s the real deal.
      I wonder how many of the guys here would turn down a jiggy jiggy with her?

      • Rosemon Calvin Pilot

        “Not I” said the Horse….”Not I” said the Rabbit…”Not I” said the Dog…”Not I” said the Cat…Not I said the Duck

  • AbC

    Yet it has no seat in the UN and has no membership since 1971? It’s not allowed to compete as a nation in the Olympics. It has no recognised embassy in over 95% of the world… How is it as recognised by the UN?

    • RedBearded T

      That’s why the Chinese need passports and a visa to go there…
      Taiwan is it’s own country, the only people(or countries) who don’t think so are China, and those countries afraid of China.

      • AbC

        In that case, tell me which country has Taiwan listed as an Independent Nation. Then look at which country actually has a Taiwanese embassy.

        There’s but a handful of small nations that recognise the ROC.

    • Jahar

      Taiwan is not officially recognized internationally because of the big hissy fit China throws about it, and everyone want’s China’s cheap labour and money. But I doubt there’s a percentage point of people outside mainland China who really think of Taiwan as part of (PR)China.

  • monster

    why her face looked so fake?

  • Yes!

    I think some of you here missed the whole point of this article.
    It’s not about whether the airport counter had security personnel to maintain an orderly queue (hence excusing them mainlanders from exhibiting behaviour aligned with international norms) . It’s about this distinct group of people who just can’t seem to behave in a what is considered acceptable “civilised” manner (what? Again??!!) in the absence of enforcement, in a situation where she herself (and most of us if not all) does easily without any need for the overbearing presence of a shephard dog in uniform.

    • Alex Dương

      I am not defending or excusing the bad behavior of these tourists. But when you refer to “enforcement” and “the overbearing presence of a shepherd dog in uniform,” of course I have to point out that LKY himself is proud of Singapore’s reputation as a nanny state.

      • Yes!

        Well, the last time I checked S’pore Changi Airport, we didn’t have uniformed personnel policing the queue lines and yet almost everybody just fall into line before the various check in counters. I said “almost” because I got Q cut by a couple of Chinese mainlanders just 2 months back. Both at Changi, and at Chongqing.

        I’d say in your great US of A you have a more prominent display of uniformed shephard dogs at the airports. By your statement, USA is by implication a nanny state.

        You know what, I get the feeling you’re not really into any “discussions” with me, you’re more keen to knock me whenever you think you see an opportunity. Perhaps you have a personal score to settle? Whatever it is, like some of the other people posting here have pointedly told you off before, let’s call it a day and get out of each other’s way in the future, shall we? Please go play with someone else. Thank you.

        • Alex Dương

          Buddy, you only started having somewhat honest “discussions” with me after I told you (on multiple occasions, I might add) that I’m not PRC Chinese. Back when you thought I was PRC Chinese, your attitude was “whatever, you’re too stupid to get what I’m saying, I won’t even bother explaining myself.”

          My problem with a lot of your comments has always been how tone-deaf they tend to be. You talk a lot of shit, but you never actually think about the implications of what you’re saying. If you think your people are so well behaved in the absence of “enforcement,” why are there laws and fines on just about everything in Singapore?

          As for my country, yeah, TSA is everywhere at airports. I guess your “we non-Chinese don’t need enforcement” claim is crap.

          • Amused

            Uhhhh Alex… I agree with a lot of what you’ve got to say, and I hate to be a dick and all, but isn’t the TSA really there so we can feel safe flying in the face of innumerable threats from Muslim extremist groups?
            At least until some new Timothy McVeigh figures out how to get a U-haul full of fertilizer onto a plane that is.

          • Alex Dương

            I’d say the TSA would agree with you (using different language, of course). All I’m saying to Yes! is that while the behavior of these tourists is bad, the claim that Chinese only behave well when they’re being watched and others don’t need to be watched to behave well is a bit much. Police officers behave better when they wear body cameras and thus can’t resort to “he said, she said, I win” if people complain; whodathunkit?

          • Amused

            I’d say Chinese don’t follow the rules in question because doing so hasn’t been incorporated into their culture’s rule set yet. The rest of us don’t need anyone to tell us to obey these social norms because they ARE social norms where we’re from, and so have been grilled into us since childhood.
            But who knows, maybe that’s just crazy talk and really all Chinese have formed a secret society dedicated to pissing off the rest of us just for fun, and when no foreigners are around they queue perfectly and wouldn’t dream of launching any bodily fluids onto the floor or being rude to one another.

        • Amused

          TSA aren’t your nanny ace. They’re the nice people who inspect your colon for c4.

  • ParkJeongher

    There seems to be this magical “civilized” country that people are referring to. I still haven’t found it and I’ve lived in Korea, the U.S. & Europe.

  • Stefan

    I’ve been to both Thailand and China. So here’s my honest opinion.

    Beijing, Yangtze River Delta, and Pearl River Delta are more developed than Thailand.
    Thailand is just slightly below these areas in China in terms of development. If Thailand was a province in China it would be top 5 in GDP per capita PPP.

    Thailand is more developed than many parts of China such as the interior western and central China.

    However as a whole, I would say Thailand is more socially developed than China. It’s the mentality of the people and their behavior. Thai people are more polite and the civic society is more developed than China. Thailand feels more complete as a country and in the society. Thai’s are more aware of the world and what’s happening and stuff. Thai’s have more pride of their country and more passion in doing things.

    China for the most part feels more “virgin” and inexperienced. Sometimes China feels like peasants that got rich over night. The social and cultural development has lagged behind the economic development. Chinese can do anything to get rich. There’s less caring among Chinese. So China is slightly more backwards compared to Thailand. Money can only buy you hardware, but for software it’s harder.

    For example, compare going to a Thai restaurant and Chinese restaurant, going to the Chinese restaurant the staff rarely smiles and says “Welcome” with a tone as if their forced to do it. For Chinese workers, it’s just their “boring job”. When it comes to food you never know what they’ve put in the food, it can be rat meat, sewage oil, “fat rolled in spices pretending to be meat”, or just old meat. But more commonly it’s too much bones or fat. It’s not a coincidence that we hear so many food scandals from China. In China you really get what you pay for. They’ll try to scam and do anything just get your money. They make it as cheap as possible because then the profit margin is larger. For Chinese money is everything.

    Going to a Thai restaurant is a different story. They’ll happily greet you and smile all the time. Much more effort. The price of the food is cheap but the quality still good compared to China. No cheating or scamming. No sewage oil or rat meat. Or meat with too much bones and fat. Overall much better service. When you pay with your bank card, they use their both hands to receive the card. They are more passionate into giving you a good service compared to Chinese restaurants where you really just come, eat and leave.

    This news just illustrates the differences between the two countries.

    “In Japan, McDonald’s Holdings Co (Japan) said on Friday it would halt all imports of chicken products from China and shift that business to Thailand, boosting purchases from existing suppliers McKey Foods Services (Thailand) Ltd.”

    Just my two cents.

    • guest

      Would you say the Thai is more individualistic than the Chinese?

      I take personal pride in my work and behaviour, I don’t believe in slacking if a job is ‘beneath’ me, I just try my best and stay cheerful while also hunting for a new job. In customer service the day goes better when I’m polite and cheerful – the customers will usually be polite too – or if they are still rude, I would at least get to feel superior to them in social manner!

  • don mario

    more of these sorts of things would be helpful imo, to help the chinese to face this problem of bad manners and selfish childlike behaviour. it would be even better if it came from the mouth a chinese person.

    • Kai

      Chinese people criticize bad manners and selfish behavior of their own all the freaking time. It’s just not news to non-Chinese people because they take self-criticism for granted and there isn’t a convenient us-vs-them element to it. People really need to realize that the reaction to these incidents invariably boil down to excuses in confirmation bias.

  • Dolph Grunt

    Yeah! What she said!

  • BrandeX

    “Despite trending internationally on Facebook and YouTube four days ago, this video took awhile to achieve “trending” status on the Chinese internet.”

    Well, no shit. Both of those sites are blocked in China.

    • Kai

      Sorry, let me clarify. This video made its way into the mainland pretty quickly, but it still did not gain momentum as fast as it did outside of China. You can speculate why but it’s impossible to know when we’re dealing with such a large ecosystem with so many potential confounding factors.

      That was also just a bit of contextual information about why we were publishing it now days after other sites have. We had people sending us the video and we had to keep telling them that it just wasn’t trending in China so it wasn’t yet meeting our criteria. I was reinforcing the fact that we do try to only cover stuff that we feel is legitimately trending, as opposed to any random thing that comes along.

  • Dolph Grunt

    Agreed. It was the jaw dropping comment of the year.

  • Guest

    Which is why Chinese need a passport and visa to go there…

    Oh, wait.

  • Gerhana

    Who didnt laugh when they watched this video?I find it hard not to laugh. She’d make a good comedian. Its her voice and expression, I tell you. So comical.

  • RedBearded T

    That’s why the Chinese need passports and a visa to go there…
    Taiwan is it’s own country, the only people (or countries) who don’t think so are China, and those countries afraid of China. China has a history of claiming something that doesn’t belong to it.

  • Kai

    Rock on, your self-awareness and self-restraint even in the face of knee-jerk emotions is what I think our world could do with more of. If nothing else, even when we slip, so many things smooth over just fine when we humbly take ownership, apologize as appropriate, and try to be better next time. I’m an idealist!

  • Alex Dương

    I think you’re overexaggerating how favorable the impression was. Sure, “Kung Fu” was a popular series, but it remains that executives thought that the series would only be popular with a white actor pretending to be Chinese instead of an actual Chinese actor (*cough* Bruce Lee *cough*).

  • Amused

    All good man.

  • Jahar

    So diverse? Where are you from?

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