Chinese-Black Couple On Shanghai Metro

From KDS:

This morning on the Line 1 Metro startling revealed a man with extremely heavy/strong taste, with pictures there is proof

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Comments from KDS:

不勃不精彩:

Is it not okay for others to like eating chocolate abalone?

三秒完事:

My god~

Dragpo:

The guy cannot possibly satisfy her, must use an electric vibrator.

Baiken:

After seeing Lou Jing, I can no longer determine whether or not this girl is African.

鸟笑歪了:

A TF with a sense of justice, getting revenge for Lou Jing’s “dad”.

doggystyle:

The photograph captures the point, NIGGA’s have great butts, this friend has good fortune

哇啦哇啦:

Amongst blacks, [she] is considered not bad
Moreover, [if he] can satisfy a black, obviously has an exceptionally long…

天山七剑:

Black people’s butts, both tight and perky

mark:

[I] commend [him/this], winning honor/glory for the nation!

爱熟:

Actually, finding this kind of person to have sex with is very satisfying/great

D~陈叁仟:

I admit I am a little unable to accept this.

水蜜桃冰王:

Lou Jing’s FANS.

大傻猫:

Nobody noticed!!

That is [Tracy] McGrady’s wig~~~

喵里一只庙:

This girl must be McGrady’s older sister…
YP, the guy must be an YP

梁操唯:

Her appearance and body are not bad.

Two black legs holding you…

oh my, this is what heaven is!

人工智能:

Turn off the lights and they [women] are all the same.

As long as there is no smell.

木桶伯:

Black girls can only be looked at from afar and not touched up close, PG [pi guo, 屁股, butt] covered with thick anal hair, terrible feeling, neither is it comfortable once you are doing it. Not much different with white girls also, though of course a bit better than black girls. To sum up, Asian MM are still better, with smooth butts, feels good.

艾絮清:

Love’s power/strength, love has no borders.

高潮路:

This girl likes it from behind, look at the knees:

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Andy McNab:

LZ, your’s is not pure!

[not as pure as the one in the picture below]

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1261:

This post shows,

that with us holding the Olympics and soon holding the World Expo,

our country’s overall strength has increased a lot.

I believe in the near future,

there will be sons and daughters of various skin color

on the subways of our country’s many cities

being embraced and kissed by our country’s men.

@少年@:

Don’t say [his] taste heavy/strong, it is that this girl has a healthy body. Once the lights are off, what guy who not want to try?

NOEL:

[His taste is] not the least bit heavy/strong, [he is] wining honor/glory for Chinese men.

Who said it isn’t possible if you’re short?

幽摩鬼:

Soon there will be a yellow-skinned LJ [Lou Jing] born in America… it is time for an American black father to wear a [green] hat…

胖子:

**, this girl is probably not mixed, yet she is relatively whiter/lighter than some who are mixed.

This shows that Lou Jing’s mix is absolutely a failure.

小唐僧:

I feel black people’s skin is far more fine/exquisite than white races. I used to often see black girls when I went to work, very attractive!

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  • Jing

    First? Reminds me somewhat of Jacky Chan’s rumble in the bronx.

    • J

      LOL!!! Yes, it most certainly does.

  • mike

    chinese people only talk racist shit when its african men/chinese girl, but they embrace chinese men/african women haha

    • Jean

      it’s the same everywhere!

    • Asante Ron

      You’re damn right.Chinese men hate to see a black man hanging with their women so they talk all that racist bullshit indeed and here we are with a Chinese lusting after a black chic and trust me,it wont stand coz this Chinese cant satisfy a black woman.He’s wasting his damn time and those folded arms is sending the message if you motherfuckers don’t know

      • 兔子老师

        Oh please. What an absolutely pathetic comment. It doesn’t even make any sense, you fucking cunt. Now THAT makes sense.

        • mark

          go to the UK get some friends, then see what happens with teh mixed race ones.

          its hard to satisfie a black woman, i wouldn’t try. firstly even if you manage to succeed in bed, you then have to deal with the time out of bed….. fook that.

          兔子老师 if good to be proud of people, but dont be getting proud of someone who is about to get fired (by his misses).

          girls are the same every where, go to Africa, and you can basically buy a black girl, go to the uk and you can basically buy a white girl, go to china and you can basically buy a Asian girl..

          most women are as shallow as men are short sighted.

          PS, i write this while under the influence of Chinese beer… does that mean i should blame the chinese tomorrow????

  • AlexS

    I dont see anything wrong with a relationship between two racially different people. Its rather depressing to see the Chinese society accept a white/asian relationship whereas black/asian relationships are condemned. Its racist.

    • PUSAN PLAYA

      I’d look down on white people too if they hadn’t accomplished so much but all black people ever invented was hip hop, purple drank and carjacking.

      • BigBubba

        Pusan,

        Black people created you. Ask your momma. Where’s your momma you ask? Well, once she went black, she never came back. Yo.

      • FYIADragoon

        I’m gonna hope you’re trolling by portraying a poor Korean stereotype. Look up “Cradle of Life.” Congratulations. Also read: Korean pop culture = poorly done ripoff of African-American culture + Japanese culture. =3=

        • scott

          korean pop culture is a poorly done rip-off of african american culture? thats what you call Brittany spears christina agulara, backstreet boys and nsync? seriously? you can have that garbage if you want to claim it as your own culture.

      • 4chuan

        Don’t underestimate the value of purple drank – Chinese people haven’t even figured that shit out yet, despite the fact you can buy the syrup over the counter here… now if only i could get my hands on some grape soda..

      • Ethan

        You are stupid if you that is true!

      • Carlos

        Moron!

      • geegee

        Today Internet exists…going look for answers to your questions before saying things you don’t know about…

      • Enlightener

        Yeah, black people didn’t invent anything of value, like radio frequency mass spectrometer, specialized software, uses for peanuts and hundreds more uses for soybeans, pecans and sweet potatoes.

        It’s all there: http://inventors.about.com/od/blackinventors/a/black_inventors.htm

        The problem is more reflective of the socioeconomic level of PUSAN PLAYA. He only seems to watch MTV.

        Crack a book and get high on KNOWLEDGE. Fool.

        • Meso

          I guess in China they don’t use light bulbs or traffic lights when they are chasing black men away from their women or stalking black women to get inside them. If they are able to see what they are looking at in the dark and do not get into an accident while chasing, thank the black person behind those two accomplishments. Oh, wait, they were Americans too.

          • http://www.blasianton.com ForeLone

            damn you are RACIST!

        • Brilliant

          I totally agree haha !!!!

      • 兔子老师

        You total twat.

      • Res

        You are clearly ignorant of Black history. So not only are you racist, you are uneducated.

      • Riiya

        that has to be the most stupidest shiit i ever heard, you need to suck a fat diick for sayiin that and ii bet you love iit and take iit up the ass. !

      • Brilliant

        Poor ignorant go and read some books please !!!!!

    • truth

      THANK YOU BLACK/ASIAN RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO BUEATIFUL!!

  • Gaad!

    Viva Le Part Deux!!! Viva!!!

  • Xio

    My exwife is african, I’m white. The culture differences will seem amusing at first, drive you crazy later and but will eventualy lead to divorce. If you want to marry someone from a different culture you have make sure you understand this and be very patient. My exwife was a nice person but it took her forever to do anything.

    • the great yellow master race

      hmmmm.. sorry, wich country in africa is she from?

    • asadu

      Am sorry but its ashaming sounding such stupid in this century.What is the difference between black ad white?

      • Eric

        Black or Indian are darker than my shit, that’s the different..haha

        • http://myspace.com/misha2007 misha

          fuck you we come in all different color shapes and sizes. I hope you fall to sleep in the sun you prick

        • Supreme 1

          And they’re IQ’s are 15% higher than most of America’s youth and their population is also 5X that of America. India also leads the world in Highest IQ’s and competent workforce (technologically advanced and smarter cheaper labor). Why do you think our jobs are leaving America and going over there? Because we have dumb asses like yourself who are preoocupied with being ignorant rather than educating your self. You’ll be working for them soon, so get used to looking at your shit – your the problem in this world and soon you’ll be in the minority, with no rights and working in an “American” Sweat shop. dipshit – grow the f*ck up.

          • 兔子老师

            Judging from your comment, your grasp of English seems tenuous at best.

        • Linda

          Oh all this blog ever does is invite idiots like you who wouldn’t know the difference between a circle and a square.
          So then why embarrass yourself?
          Go hide in your cave of medieval social values and stay away from the internet. It’s too complicated for you.

          So that’s ‘…haha’ to you Mr. Eric.
          Are you chinese? Because I sure am and also, I am not shit just because of my tanned skin colour.

          It is YOU that is the shit of the international community.
          Have a good day.
          千万要小心,别踩中狗屎哦!

        • aishyia

          am a black n i think that u saying that just shows how ignorant racist person u r

    • Chiza

      Xio, and your point?? I hope you are not some ignorant fool who is implying your ex’s slowness was due to her being African??

    • geegee

      that is what happened to you…and may not happend to others…
      many mixed couples survive though their cultures are different…

    • http://myspace.com/misha2007 misha

      maybe you got a bad luck my fiance and I are doing great
      Maybe you didnt encourage her

  • FYIADragoon

    LMAO at the poster who suggested that Asian butts feel nicer than a black or white woman’s (ESP. a black woman’s). Someone’s definitely still a virgin… Asian women have nice features too, but T&A definitely are not the strong suit…

    • http://myspace.com/misha2007 misha

      they dont have a butt usually but they have pretty faces

      • Jasmin Lee

        Trust me, there are asian women who have booty’s (a lot of it depends on what part of china they come from)…they don’t quite go “ka-pow!” like a blk girl’s might…some of us are packin but it goes more like “WAHHHH!”…lol.

  • Johnston

    I find it irritating when all Black people are assumed to be from Africa and people talk about Africa like it’s a country.

    I’m also finding reading Chinasmack is really making me lose interest in China. Brings back many bad memories from when I lived there. So much racist sleaze.

  • Guai lou

    I know it’s wrong to stereotype, but stuff like this just makes me feel as though every Chinese man has a complex. I just assume every Chinese guy I meet is like that unless he possesses the effortless cool of some of the newer generations.

    That one poster thinking that it was the Olympics that finally made Chinese men attractive to foreign women is hilarious… and really, really sad. It makes me wonder how much of the uber-nationalism in young men could be explained by Freud. Not all of it, or even most of it, obviously, but there does seem to be something there. How much of that racism/sexism (cheering on a Chinese guy with a black girlfriend, loathing a Chinese woman who cuckolds her husband for a black man) is just personal projections of sexual insecurities? How much then, is the idea of a “strong China” equated with the idea of a “strong Chinese man”?

    Ultimately though, there’s this moment in time where most Chinese have a very limited interaction with other races, as well as what appears to be a rather ethnocentric education that just breeds ignorance on racial topics existing in a roughly homogeneous society that acts like a giant echo-chamber. All this in an era of communication where foreigners are able to listen in and be a bit horrified/disgusted by what’s coming out. Hopefully as time goes on, the increasing integration into global culture will further remove the racial bias, but there is a long, long way to go.

    • Rocknrollstar

      Couldn’t agree more on this.

      • http://stonecoldgemini.com Stone-Cold Gemini

        Absolutely. This couple has nothing to do with Lou Jing and it’s a pretty twisted mind that sees redemption here.
        If some of these guys got away from their monitors for a few hours and actually talked to some other human beings face to face, they might be less inclined to spew such ignorant bullshit.

      • mister Môt

        I POST IT OVERTHERE BUT I COULD HAVE POST IT ELSEWHERE…. PEOPLE PLEASE… STOP ALL YOUR RACIAL HATING I COULD TELL A LOT ABOUT IT BUT I DON’T WANNA SEE SUCH STUPID THINGS ANYWHERE…

    • Mike Fish

      Good point. I’m glad my self-worth and self-image are based on my country’s.

    • Vina

      In my experience it is not just (racist) Chinese guys who are like that. Most of the racist white guys I’ve had the misfortune of encountering were much more against interracial couples where the woman was white than those where the man was white. I even met one man who was okay with dating Asian women but thought a white woman with any kind of non-white guy was disgusting! Personally I think it is because guys who are racist a lot of times are also sexist…they think women who are the same race as them are kind of their property.

      • ashish

        i will satisfy u if u r a female,i m brown(indian)

  • G.

    Am I the only one who thinks these pictures do not show a couple?
    To me, it seems they even don’t know each other.
    Her arms are closed, and she got the iphone earplugs on in the last picture.
    Seems like a bet or a drunk guy.

    That said, yes, Chinese people are a bunch a crazy racist people. There’s no need to debate on this.

    • magic man

      I 100% agree with G.you are very smart guy. This was really a racist drunk chinese bitch who just ask for a picture with this beauty queen.It show later in the pic.she is seating closed with a black guy.

  • 250

    I have to agree with G. in the last photo he’s either changed his t-shirt and jeans or it’s a different person. I’m not saying it couldn’t happen but just not in this case. Didn’t any of the Chinese posters pick up on this??
    There will always be an issue with mixed-race relationships as long as men equal sex with dominance.
    Who said Chinese people accept White/Chinese relationships? They obviously don’t encounter many groups of drunken Chinese or old ladies.
    My favourite post:
    ‘Turn off the lights and they [women] are all the same.As long as there is no smell.’
    He obviously hasn’t been with many women. The only difference is there smell??????

    • Ashley Schaffer BMW

      The first picture shows a third person on the far right, wearing a white t-shirt and light colored jeans. The last picture this person is obviously sitting next to the woman. I think that the pictures were part of a prank, that this man in the stripped shirt asked the woman for a kiss as his friends snapped pictures. Just one man’s opinion…

    • Gaad!

      Some-booties ain’t got nooo imagination!

      Some-boobies ain’t never ridden da subways…

      Wit partners who git off different stations…

      Cos some-dickies ain’t never had a partner…

      So know not da penetrating joys of doggies…

      For a crying lack of imagination!

  • Tommy

    It must be horrible living as a Chinese person, only and always caring about what other people think. Just when they think they are getting some kind of respect in their social group, they open up to world and realize they are just a little fish.

  • HakNam

    Fuck you, PUSAN PLAYA. We built EGYPT and influenced the Greeks who stole our technology,philosophy, concepts of democracy, ect which is the main cornerstone of all Western Civilization. You know, the west I’m talking about right? The one that your little backwards Korea has been trying to catch up to for decades now. Hate on all you want, two of my sisters are dating some down ass Chinese dudes that would put your ass to shame. Our families have no problems at all. I’ve encountered incredible ignorance in China but nothing compared to the pure HATRED I had hurled toward me in Seoul and back in the States. As much as I hate to hear my sisters and their girlfriends shriek and gossip over how my future brother in laws hold in down in the sack, it gives me hope that their children and my future kids will be able in a society that can get over this racial hump perpetrated by these racist insecure ass white boys and these dumbass chinese net citizens (i can’t take those fuckers seriously, they’re so ridiculous) and common ass koreans like you. Funny thing is, you got all the Black American stereotypes down pat. You must be a korean-american, who have treated us the worst out of all the asian groups even after we let you set up shop in our neighborhoods. HA, that ghetto trash you speak of, probably put you through college.

    • J

      Don’t mind Pusan. He’s just being his normal self. He likes to look down on everything and everyone that’s superior to his ass so he can go on living and convince himself that he’s worth the space that he physically occupies.

    • bleah

      Ancient egypt and concept of philosophy and democracy? Now, that’s new to me… :>

      But what is true that in Ancient egypt the medicine was already pretty advanced as well as irrigation techniques.

      No offence intented, but you sound like some Berber fanatic to me.

      • http://yahoo BABYWAIN

        If you bothered to read anything, then you’d know that everythings news to you, cause you dont now shit, your dumb ignorance is is iluminated by what you have written. You should have said nothing, instead you have made it clear to any rear not to even bother reading any dumb ass comment you write. try an 8-10 peoples blog if you can keep up.
        ps
        I hate the fanatics TOO, black people ionvented more than those things listed look into it fool i aint giving u shit, u want education earn it FOOL

    • PUSAN PLAYA

      “You must be a korean-american, who have treated us the worst out of all the asian groups even after we let you set up shop in our neighborhoods. HA, that ghetto trash you speak of, probably put you through college.”

      I am not a Korean American but I do have family in America and I’m very familiar with what you describe. Why do Koreans set up shops in black areas? Because there is no competition, because blacks cannot run their own business. What it takes to run a small business isn’t amazing, but is far beyond the abilities of most blacks

      * You need an IQ of at least 100, about 50% of whites have this and over 60% of Koreans but few blacks, probably about 10%. Please refer to this if you do not believe me, scroll down one page

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_wealth_of_nations

      * You need to be a hard worker, most Koreans are hard workers but maybe only 10% of blacks

      * You need people you can trust, blacks rob and steal from each other, most of them have no real families because men just fuck without a condom and run away when the woman gets pregnant. Koreans have strong families they can trust

      * You need to be able to handle stress, when a black man becomes stressed he starts behaving like a big gorilla yelling and threatening. Most Koreans can handle stress well because they are confident and they can solve problems with thinking instead of senseless anger.

      These are the reasons why blacks cannot even set up a grocery store in their own neighbourhood, it is the result of natural selection.

      • the great yellow master race

        somehow i am sure your are retarded idiot who got his education payed by prostitution mother..

        not that whole africa has less colleges than only a japan.

      • Josh

        It’s truly hilarious that you’d cite IQ and the Wealth of Nations considering if you scroll down just a little bit, you can see all the criticisms which illustrate the statistical fallacies committed by the authors. I have to say, wow. Just wow. Usually when people are lying to defend their racism (by this I mean you), you don’t have to simply scroll down to prove that they’re a moron.

      • Teacher in China

        Josh already covered it, but I’d like to add something.
        Maybe you don’t know Stephen Colbert, but he got enough people together so that they were able to change wikipedia to say that the wooly mammoth was no longer extinct. The point being, if you’re trying to make any argument believable, stay away from there “playa” and try to pick something more credible.

      • The Sensible Netizen

        * You need to be able to handle stress, when a black man becomes stressed he starts behaving like a big gorilla yelling and threatening. Most Koreans can handle stress well because they are confident and they can solve problems with thinking instead of senseless anger.

        LOL. So that would explain the high suicide rates in Korea, huh? Yeah. Koreans are definitely really good at handling stress. Listen to you – you’re going by nothing but your own biases and internet stereotypes. Jeez, and you have the audacity to say that HakNak has a low IQ when you don’t even know what you’re talking about!

        White people, you say over 50% have high IQs? No. Many of them grow up in well-off households, barely scrape their way through college and graduate with a D+ then they have Daddy dearest or one of Daddy’s buddies hook them up with a well paying job.

        I suppose centuries upon centuries of whites colonizing, killing off in the hopes of ethnically cleansing, converting, and enslaving people of other races is bound to have an extreme effect on their psyche. Pusan is such a case, defending them even when they don’t need to be defended. The personal ass wiper of white people everywhere. Good job. You’ve made your ancestors proud.

        • Wretchedofthepond

          Thank you. Just thank you. That was probably the most satisfying thing I’ve read online this year. Chinese are more and more like rednecks the more I read their comments. They eat up that white propaganda like dogs to vomit.

          When I get my shit together, I’m going to China, Korea, whatever– and I’m opening up shop, baby.

        • Roi

          This comment basically reflected the reality of the IQ standard of the world, and the Chinese is obviously at the bottom of the list.

      • Candi

        Listen you smelly dog,

        You clearly lack abstract thought. There is a clear and logical reason for that. If you knew anything about American history, you would know that blacks were systematically oppressed and had little to no opportunity. It was not until the civil rights movement (1955-1968), when blacks in America were given basic human rights.

        I bet any educated pure African( not influenced by American racism)would go toe to toe with an Asian. Your poor Wikipedia piece proves nothing. Until you have educated yourself about the dynamics of American History, shut your stinky dog breathe.

        http://www.aballiance.org/news/nigerian_us_ed.pdf

        Data show Nigerians the most educated in the U.S. | Chron.com – Houston Chronicle Page 1 of3

        Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing
        whites and Asians, according to Census data
        bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston area
        surveys conducted by Rice University

      • Jasmin Lee

        I hope and pray that you never have children, so that you can’t pass your mental disability on to them. I feel sorry for you and teeny, tiny box you inhabit.

      • Annoyed with Racists

        Educate yourself, idiot:

        AFRICAN-AMERICANS INVENTED:

        blood banks and the preservation of blood plasma (Thank you, Dr. Charles Drew! a BLACK MAN)

        multiple uses and products (rubber substitute, adhesives, foodstuffs, dyes, pigments) derived from peanuts, sweet potatoes, pecans, and soybeans (George Washington Carver – a BLACK MAN)

        mechanisms for the embossing and development of photographs (Clatonia Dorticus)

        Gas Mask (Garrett Morgan)

        Folding Cabinet Bed (a Murphy Bed for small apartments which converts into a desk when closed) (Sarah Goode – a BLACK WOMAN)

        carbon filaments for incandescent lightbulbs (Lewis H. Latimer – a BLACK MAN)

        Traffic Lights (Garrett Morgan – a BLACK MAN)

        imaging x-ray spectrometer (George Alcorn – a BLACK MAN)

        specialized tool and procedure for the removal of cataracts (Dr. Patricia Bath – a BLACK WOMAN)

        The list goes on and continues to grow. African-Americans and African people in general have contributed positively and continue to contribute positively to the world at-large. You have used or will use 90% of the inventions listed above in your lifetime. So, unless you plan on living in the dark, never catching another train (I haven’t even included here the list of railway inventions by African-Americans but the railway signal, switch, and tresle only name a FEW), avoiding doctors altogether (xrays and blood tests), never taking or looking at another photograph, shut your ignorant mouth.

    • Gwizz

      Stole “your” technnology? You cant possibly believe that. Just look at “your” history of accomplishments up until the current state of affairs in the world. Really.

  • Lingjing

    Vury hevy tayste indeed. Squinty man enjoi THICK BLACK chocolate. Wise man say taste bitter as dry shit.

    • Joe

      Wut?

      Very heavy taste indeed.
      Squinty man enjoy THICK BLACK Chocolate.
      Wise man say taste as dry shit.

      – What is a heavy taste?
      – Thick black chocolate sounds more like teh cock.
      – How is a wise man wise when he tasted “dry shit”?

      • the great yellow master race

      • ShakaShabazz

        This made me laugh out loud!!!

      • EtherUtopia

        There is a saying amongst old school Africans, “The ONLY humans are the BLACK races, everyone else is an EXTRACTION!”

        Tima Usrah – Through fire comes the family! Up you mighty race! We are Whom We’ve Been Waiting For!

        The ancestors WILL return!

        Don’t mongrelize your DNA strands!

        Nature is BLACKNESS; And, the SUNS are with NATURE (Neter)!

        Hotep!

    • Michael

      well wise man…you must enjoy eating shit.

    • brizmat

      i dont know how you are, but if you are like the chinese girls i have met so far, then you are dry!

  • Gab

    I sometimes come to this blog to know more about China today.

    Today I realised there are a lot of racists there.

    • Wretchedofthepond

      Same here. Same here…
      China let me down so bad.

  • 250

    I’m not making excuses for Chinese people or anyone else for that matter but you have to understand very very very few people have ever met a black person before, all they know is black people play basketball and sometimes become the President of the United States. It’s easy to be racist if you’ve never met someone from that race. Especially in China where information is controlled.
    By the way, don’t you know the phase ‘All Chinese people are racist’ is racist. Maybe you guys should change your name to mine.

    • babygirl

      well said! i have been reading the comments and wanted to cry but you gave me hope,hope that the whole of china is not racist or just interested. serioulsy! they may be some physical/anatomical/cultural differences between the races but can someone the difference between the blood of a black, white, yellow or red person? or the difference between the heart? i got on this page because i was looking for an explanation why it was so difficult for me to get a part-time job, but all i got were these hateful comments between chinese and foreigners. why do you have to hate so much? without one race the other races can’t be anything. just love and the world will be at peace and in harmony

  • Hanmurabi

    It seems chinese people are soooo racist. And you ask for respect in our european cities??

  • 250

    Hanmurabi please see last paragraph of my last comment.

  • DB Cooper

    well, welcome to china, which is the most interesting country in this planet

  • DB Cooper

    Guys, don’t jump into conclusion!

    As a chinese, i know, i know, i really know china is bad this way, that way and i’ve heard so many complains from tons of people.

    But maybe something you guys don’t know that most of those posters are very young and a little cynic or un-rational.

    What they were talking about couldn’t stand for all chinese people.

    For facts for your information that only 5~8% chinese people are college educated.

    I know you guys are all well educated, why not try to be more embraceable

  • Jimmy

    “Black girls can only be looked at from afar and not touched up close, PG [pi guo, 屁股, butt] covered with thick anal hair, terrible feeling, neither is it comfortable once you are doing it. Not much different with white girls also, though of course a bit better than black girls. To sum up, Asian MM are still better, with smooth butts, feels good. ”

    LOL as if this guy has ever had sex period, much less any experience with Black women. WTF is up with Chinese men and their fucking insecurities?

    He should be happy for this guy, there are more beautiful Chinese Mei Mei’s for the taking, but that guy is probably same nerd in a net bar anyway.

    Oh, and fuck you Pusan Playa, if you take everything Black from modern Korean popular culture you wouldn’t have anything left.

    • brizmat

      haha ,i get confused when a china man gets a fuck from a black girl, who would it be?ok, to tell you the truth, the black girl can feel a white man, but..for a china man?! mind less about the color, you chinese men should know your level because of your small dicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yit

    There is few foreigners in China,so it’s quite normal to have those imature reaction.I do believe most Chinese have comparatively nice nature,they just don’t know how to tackle racial difference,and don’t know how to keep politically correct.

    What did the white do when they first arrival at port of Africa?Hunt the natives for slave.The Chinese traveled to there in the 14th century,they don’t even have the imagination that the hosts can be captured as slave and their land can be colonized,they just show off their fleets and hunt one giraffe.

    • Jimmy

      Don’t get me wrong, I’m not equating the Chinese ignorance to White imperialism and racism. I can say the same thing about China, no African nation every colonized China, if they would be racist towards anyone it would be europeans.

      It’s hard to keep saying “they just aren’t used Blacks” with a smile on your face. The majority of Chinese people I’ve met are very kind to me, but the racist few can be very obnoxious and stick out.

      I’m dating a Chinese guy at the moment if that makes up for anything.

      • hellofriends

        Yeah Jimmy, but you have no idea how real Chinese people hate whites.

        Whites and “Asians” (not a race) despise each other. But whites fear us and also want our money. For you guys, they have contempt and want your natural resources but love to molest African children.

        It’s a totally different game. Ultimately, it will be the East Asians who bury whites.

        • Wretchedofthepond

          Deep. Very deep. I like what I’m hearing.

  • tk 4 lyfe

    “Oh, and fuck you Pusan Playa, if you take everything Black from modern Korean popular culture you wouldn’t have anything left.”

    damn thats check mate right there man. come on pusan playa, we waiting for your witty retort.

  • BlackAmerican

    Pusan Playa is just jealous. As a black American I have been to Korea many times and had the best looking women in the country fighting over me. As an American, even black, we are superior to Koreans-even when we go to their pathetic and totally dependant on American country.

    • hellofriends

      s a black American I have been to Korea many times and had the best looking women in the country fighting over me.

      Every nigger says this. The only women you can attract in Asia are the lower class trash like your single-moms.

      Stop making yourself look bad you lowly nigger subhuman. Even online niggers can only talk about their supposedly large dicks (proven a myth). No wonder Africa is such a shithole. 70% of black “fathers” desert their ugly nigger babies and a further 25% are lying about their dick size on the internet.

      If it weren’t for humanity’s pity AIDS and chimp attacks would have done your pathetic race in.

      • BlackAmerican

        “Every nigger says this. The only women you can attract in Asia are the lower class trash like your single-moms.”

        You sound pretty bitter. I bet you have a personal story of one of your own hooking up with those people you call “niggers”. Possibly the girl you wanted to marry, or your mom perhaps…?

        • Afro Puffs

          You people are really disgusting. First of all, why would any decent Black American woman lower herself to an Asian man? They belong with Asian trash like their mothers. Asian women don’t have any discretion when it comes to sleeping around and nor do white women. Both animalistic and carnal. I am a black woman and would never go with an Asian man. Except to have my poom poom eaten real good. Becuase Asian men have smaller cocks then white men and that’s really sad. Besides why would you chance having a child with a lower race?

          • Neepoh

            You sound really bitter too. You are no better then the crock-pots above disowning interracial couples. This bullshit idea that any single race shouldnt lower themselves to another is really old. As a black girl (only 18, not yet a woman) I admit, we get alot of shit from other races but we do give a lot of it back and tbh this whole “black power, we are a storng race and shall not be silenced in by injustice!” stuff was cute in the beginning when there ACTUALLY WAS a struggle but really? your gunna start pulling out the “superior race” card? isnt that the shit that put us in slavery before hand?

            You sound like your uncultured, bitter and tbh, you also sound like your working the block cause your only defense is the sex aspect of interracial dating.

            I will end with this: Fuck you, fuck your racism, fuck that ghetto ass attitude of yours, fuck your black supperiority complex, fuck your “poom poom” and fuck your uppity ass.

            My skin is black and my boyfriend is asian.

      • BlackAmerican

        A clue about HELLO FRIENDS. The only people who throw around the term “nigger” these days typically belong to a class of people in America called “White Trash”.

        These are the people who generally have lower education levels then the average black person. They are poor and feel cheated because they missed out on the time when they would have been considered superior because they were white. Now they resent the fact that they occupy the lowest rungs of society, having been passed up by blacks, Asians and soon Hispanics. So they hold on to their old fashioned racism. Calling someone a nigger is all they have in their lives, no money, no education, no future except some menial job, all they have is that word.

        Well, Mr. HELLO FRIENDS, you may have that word, use it all you like. In the meantime I’ll just continue to live well.

        But don’t forget to take your shoes off when you come to my house to install my cable and fix my toilet.

      • Wretchedofthepond

        The only thing worse than white trash is trash colored in piss.

      • mm7802

        Sounds like someone is a little sensitive to the subject. The “nigger” you responded to never said anything about penis size, however you brought up penis size; most likely because you are about 3 inches hard on a good day and you feel like less of a man because of it. Don’t be mad because your women love us. But if you’d like to compare size I’m more than willing to. I bet I’m twice your length and girth and I have a higher IQ, you ignorant racist. LMAO at the angry little Asian man.

  • BlackAmerican

    Pusan Playa has the inferiority complex that all Koreans have. Always been dominated by China, except when Japan was kicking their ass and taking over their country. Nowadays, they are bitter because they are totally dependent on America for their very existence. They can’t develop their own culture so they have to copy American and Japanese dance/music/fashion etc. etc. And after hundreds of years of insignificance, Korea is still nothing but a little sister to real countries like China and Japan. Korea has never been an important country and they have never accomplished anything on their own.

    He says a large percentage of Koreans have IQs over 100. A lot of good that has done them.

    Pusan Playa (notice how his very name is copied from American culture), you need to look at your own people’s position in the world before you criticize others. I mean, you live in Pusan right? Well it was Americans, many of them black, that saved that city 50 years ago. If it was not for them you would be just like your kinfolk in North Korea, you would not even have a computer to type your childish crap on.

    So instead of trying to insult, you need to say thanks, or just keep quiet. Because the people you are trying to put down actually own you and your people.

    • HakNam

      Don’t get me started on Korean society brother. When Hines Ward came to Korea, he was hailed as a hero and a pillar of Korean excellence, meanwhile mixed race Black Koreans are still relegated to the most menial jobs. Pusan, the Korean Wave that was so predominant is all Black culture and entertainment in a poorly constructed Korean package.

      What annoys me about these threads is I can’t accept all this posturing and fake anger displayed by some of these white posters. Its all just an excuse to be racist with the sorry excuse that, “we’re not racist cause we’re defending negroes!” Stop using us to soothe your white guilt. If you’re going to denounce racism, do it without being racist. Look at what happened to my boy, Ron Sims. A Black blogger by the way of Cleveland got roughed up in China by some insecure white boy who was afraid Ron was going to gobble up the Chinese women that he’s so entitled to. But in this devil’s true once again he could not rise to the occasion, haha. http://www.rsims2.com/news/?p=91

      I’m not grouping all of you into this category, but a good majority.

      And “bleah”, check out the Book, “Black Athena”.

      • Josh

        “I’m not grouping all of you into this category, but a good majority.”

        Or maybe you’re just an asshole. Quit with the victim attitude, for real. Otherwise, you’re no better than the fenqing you’ve been talking about.

      • hellofriends

        meanwhile mixed race Black Koreans are still relegated to the most menial jobs.

        Blacks are relegated to menial jobs everywhere because you are stupid. Get a hint you fucking parasite. You should thank god that the Koreans even tolerate the existence of your ugly black skin, your goofy wide nostrils and your tiny simian peabrains in their society.

        If I had my way very nigger and honkey in Asia would be decapitated.

        • Mike Fish

          Fauna… I know you should allow people to express their views, no matter how absurd… but once deadly violence against a group of people is suggested, you really should block them.

          • Jimmy

            @Hellofriends

            I was with you on my last comment but you’re totally out of line here. Your anger in this post only reveals your underlying racism against Blacks.

            Why are you lashing out at one Black man bragging about how many Asian girls he can bag? If I can recall, thousands of White sex tourists flood into Asian every year just to fuck Asian girls (and boys!)

            Aren’t you Chinese? Isn’t your Government tripping over itself to trade with these “shithole subhuman nigger” countries for their oil and natural resources you need to develop you grand motherland country?

            How old are you btw? If you’re a Chinese youth what music do you listen to? You do know that Rock, Hip Hop and R&B were made by those same “chimps” you so despise. Are you the type of Chinese who will call me “hui gui” behind my back, but if you saw Michael Jordan walking down the street you’d shit your self?

            You should educate yourself about the position the African continent is in; it’s the richest continent in the entire world, producing 75% of all diamonds and yet the people are still poor.

            Back in the 60s, Mao Zedong wrote very extensively on the African struggle for independence against Imperialism/Colonailsm and actually called Africans and Chinese brothers in the same struggle.

            It seems you are among the masses of Chinese men with inferiority complexes about your masculinity and have chosen to project them onto black people.

            Don’t worry, I still love China and Chinese people; I won’t let the ignorant country hicks like you ruin it for me.

          • Jimmy

            @Mike Fish

            I never insulted all Koreans. I have plenty of Korean friends and really love the country, language and culture. It just irks me when some one from a country that owes so much to Blacks can have no concept of history nor irony in their comments.

            How many Black soldiers died on the front lines fighting for democracy and freedom for Koreans in Korea, but when they got home couldn’t even shit in the same toilet as a White person?

            How can a Korean named Pusan “Playa” talk shit about Black Americans and their whole modern culture is a direct imitation of Black American culture?

            I’ve never understood that about Asians (excuse the generalization). That’s like me loving Taekwondo, Kimchi, and Soju but when I see a Asian walk down the street I am yelling “ZOMG gtfo of my country you flat face, squinty eye, buck tooth, small dick, me “rove” you long time, zipper head, chinky mother fucker!”

            Doesn’t that make me look stupid and ignorant? I hope I’ve made my point.

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Mike Fish, I have a feeling Fauna tolerates these racists like she tolerates those racist towards the Chinese. Moreover, she doesn’t seem shy about showing Chinese racism and thus maybe she’s not shy about letting non-Chinese racism shine forth as well…in all its brilliant glory. The only type of people she doesn’t seem to tolerate are those that make comments under different names. Then again, she may block tons of comments/commenters and we just don’t know about it because we never see them.

            How funny that so many people come to chinaSMACK to see what a sad state of affairs persists in China, only to prove through their comments how the rest of the world is likewise still locked in the sometimes different but all too often the same sad state of affairs. The more you see, the more familiar everything is.

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Oh, I forgot. If Fauna isn’t keen on blocking these sort of terribly comments, we can at least vote them down. Vote away.

        • BlackAmerican

          “If I had my way very nigger and honkey in Asia would be decapitated.”

          See what I mean about his education level? Perhaps you mean EVERY nigger and honkey…

          Hey, thanks to the new president you can get money to go to a community college, I suggest you take advantage. But don’t be surprised when many of your teachers are black or asian.

          • Wretchedofthepond

            @ BlackAmerican: Amen!!!! X_D

          • http://myspace.com/misha2007 misha

            I fucking love you hahaha

        • Dee

          This black woman with her PhD and her really good job is very amused by this comment and you are supposed to show how smart your people are? Good thing I have some korean friends who ‘really’ are smart, or I might reach some very silly conclusions LOL!

          • Dee

            This is in response to the very first comment in this group by hellofriends.

    • 404 name not found

      Congratulations “hellofriends” & “Pusan Playa” for making me hate Korea!

  • 250

    Come on black men of the world, straight or otherwise (Yes Jimmy I mean you). I know you don’t like Pusan Playa (if that really is his real name…) and for good reason, but why insult all Koreans and Korea? Surely you are being just as racist and ignorant as him. Attack him and/or his mother (the parents are always to blame) but leave the other millions of people who just happen to look slightly like him out of it. Thank you black men of the world. Annoying white boy out.

  • Celkian

    Amazing what a different reaction there is between a foreign man having a Chinese girl or the other way around. It’s like netizens are putting all of the power onto the men and thinking of women, foreign or not, as trophies in some game.

    • the great yellow master race

  • 12meeeeeee

    chinese people are racists with small dicks.
    mistery solved.

    • hahaha

      LMAO………… The timing!!! gold

  • graphs

    The girl on the last pic is HOT HOT HOTTT!!

  • Michael

    chocolate on the outside & pink inside ^_~..yummy

    • Tosca

      Woohoooo!! I love this commnen1!!! (all the other racists stuff is upsetting)

  • heilong79

    The reason why a lot of people when angry about the Chinese woman with the black dude was because she was cheating on her husband, and to ad insult to injury it was with a foreign man. This situation is totally not the same.

  • specter

    lol I love how this constitutes news or a story in China. If she was some stunner, perfect 10 chick I could see it, but she’s super average.

  • Shanghairocks

    she’s sexy !!

  • VeerLeft

    I APPLAUD this Chinese dude! Good eye and way to pull my friend. She’s sexy and the one in the last picture is cute too. These netizens have issues. Pusan player has issues and anyone who responds to his every key-fart has issues as well.

    I mash various flavours of poon with impunity.
    I may even mash some Pyongyang Poon next.

    • monkeymonk

      To boldly go where no Chinese dude has gone before.. to explore new and beautiful women… to seek out new and exciting pootang, this is the the voyage of the brave n curious Chinese dude!

  • So what a chinese man can pose for a Picture

    There is clearly a big difference between the 2 pictures. In the first one she’s just being polite and a bit naive in allowing the guy kiss her on the face with his fake chinese friendliness. I’ve seen it all before and 4 yrs ago when my uk girlfriend came to visit me a few chinese guys acted the same way by asking to be kissed on the cheek or kiss her on the cheek for photos. It sad and desperate. In the second picture the guy sitting next to her is wearing different things and clearly the first guy got off at a stop and who ever was taking these pictures didn’t realized but decided to fabricate an ego boosting story about how chinese men are pulling people of all races now.

    The second pictures shows that she has put on her headphones and crossed her arms and not interested in anymore sticky breathed kisses. Im a guy but i do the same all the time with my headphones most days, put on some tunes and ignore the fuck out of people looking at me and bothering me by asking to have a picture taken with them whether racist or not….. im just looking for my own peace and quite and there is no reason why i/she shouldnt be getting it. Just look at the body language and position and the fact that one ear is headphone-less so she can keep her wits about her and easily hear the announcements and any other bored idiots who need amusement.

    no need for anymore comments, its all been pointed out.

    p.s notice i wasn’t angry, racist or defensive in my comments.

    • http://cnreviews.com Kai

      Okay, I can’t take this anymore. This is directed at:

      1. G
      2. magic man
      3. 250
      4. Ashley Schaffer BMW
      5. So what a chinese man can pose for a Picture
      6. Every other idiot who thinks this is faked

      I understand that you guys may not read Chinese, but I’m a bit disturbed by your eagerness to jump to the conclusion that it soooo improbable for a Chinese guy to have a black girlfriend in China.

      If you read the original source, the three photos were posted in separate posts in the same thread. Two were posted immediately, the third posted quite a ways down. The first two photos obviously show a couple. Short of you calling the original poster a liar (which some of you have with zero proof other than your own inability to accept a Chinese and black couple), I’m willing to believe the poster isn’t lying about what he witnessed and photographed.

      The original poster posted the third picture and prefaced it by stating that this third picture was taken later, after the subway had gone above-ground. The poster also said where the black girl got off.

      I’m predisposed to believing that the original poster and photographer accurately described what he witnessed, that he wasn’t lying. It is easier to assume that the boyfriend got off at a different, earlier stop than the girlfriend. It is easier to assume that they know each other and are in a relationship instead of assuming that a black girl would let a complete stranger embrace and kiss her instead of 1) saying “uh, no”, 2) glaring at the weirdo, and 3) moving away from the pervert or knocking him the fuck out.

      I’ll repeat: They appear to be a bona-fide mixed-race couple. The original poster likely and understandably found this rare and interesting, snapped some candid shots, and then posted it up on KDS for everyone to gawk at…cuz people do this kind of shit with the novelties they see. The different person sitting next to the black girl in the third picture is explicitly explained as being a photo taken significantly later than the first two. Although the original poster does not explicitly state the boyfriend got off earlier, there is nothing to assume about the person next to her in the third photo than it just being another passenger…because, you know, passengers who are strangers to each other still sit next to each other in available seats on the subway.

      G: Won’t blame you, you didn’t have the benefit of the third photo’s caption from the original post.

      magic man: That’s not a black man’s arm, that’s a fucking shadow.

      250: “Just not in this case”? What evidence and argumentation do you have to be so bold. It was the MORNING. Are you assuming this was a drunk Chinese guy molesting a black girl? Occam’s razor?

      Ashley Schaffer BMW: OR, the person next to her in the last picture is just an anonymous fellow passenger. Why make a complex theory about pranks and off-screen friends taking pictures? She’s close to the guy in the first two pictures most likely because they know each other. Note how different her body language is in the third, later, photo. This suggests the difference between being seated next to someone you know (who seems to be your boyfriend or someone you’re cool with embracing/kissing you) and someone you don’t, like the stranger who scooted over or took the seat your boyfriend vacated after getting off earlier.

      So what a chinese man can pose for a Picture: How could you figure out that the boyfriend got off at an earlier stop yet jump to arguing that the guy taking these photos is some evil imp wanting to fabricate an ego-boosting story? Talk about complicating what really ought to be simple!

      To negate your one personal experience with Chinese guys trying to kiss your UK girlfriend, I’ll say that in all my years here, I have NEVER seen Chinese guys be so bold and presumptious as to ask random foreign girls for pecks. So, it’s your one experience vs. all my observations. Pretty much a wash but I’ll get back to this in a bit.

      So you say the first guy got off already, but then you fashion the second guy in the third photo as another guy who is pressing himself upon this black girl hoping to give her “stinky kisses”? WTF? What aspect of the photo suggests that the guy next to her is doing any such thing? To me, the photo just looks like a stranger sitting next to her, not bothering her nor offering “stinky kisses.” How funny that you crafted this massive storyline in your head!

      “its all been pointed out”…right.

      I guess you weren’t exactly angry in your comment but you do sound defensive and borderline racist in some of the things you suggest. If nothing else, you sound deeply resentful and you’re at least wildly imaginative with how you misinterpreted three photos into some devious Chinese male ploy to boost their egos.

      For fuck’s sake, people…

      • Chen

        You have NEVER seen Chinese guys be so bold and presumptious as to ask random foreign girls for pecks? Haha! You’re not a girl… This is a comment one of my friends got from some guy who wanted “language exchange”: “We can talk for a while and then we can have sex, cause you foreign women like that so much”. And he is just one example…

        • http://cnreviews.com Kai

          Chen, I’m not so daft as to think it could NEVER happen but I’m being honest when I say I’ve never seen such a thing personally or heard of it from anyone I know, minus some of you on the internet who claim so. It is just an informed presumption, but I think such phenomenon are exceptions, not the rule. I’m taking issue with the people above who, perhaps not intentionally, make it sound like “this is what Chinese guys do.” I have known many Chinese guys and many foreign girls in China during my time, and I’d be surprised if you want to challenge my contention here. Do you really want to argue for the ridiculous generalization that “this is what Chinese guys do”?

      • Rick in China

        You’re wrong, Kai, the points are all very valid and REALITY here.

        You need to do some serious analysis on the body language, combined with all the “we should assumes” to back up the whole it’s a bona-fide couple thing – how often do you travel a subway with your boy/girlfriend and get off at different stops? While it happens in some situations, I do _not_ think it’s as frequently as at the same time.

        I happen to know that there are many cases where foreign women are asked to pose for photos exactly like this.

        Why would there be any mistrust in the LZ? Well, uh, Kai, are you *seriously* asking that? Do you read forums and think people are all writing up 100% truthes? Come on now, we both know that’s not the case, people fabricate to get more attention and or start more chatter..this is a topic that would do just that.

        • http://cnreviews.com Kai

          Rick in China,

          You’re joking, right?

          1) I never argued that couples get off different stops “as frequently” as they get off the same stop.

          2) I believe the weight of the evidence and testimony we have before us suggests that the black girl and asian guy in the above photos are indeed a couple. I DO NOT believe the weight of the evidence suggests that the KDS poster is an insecure Chinese guy trying to pad his ego boasting about the multiracial girls Chinese men can now get. Maybe you do, but your basis for that is…?

          3) Be that it may that you’ve encountered instances where Chinese men have asked foreign girls to pose like this for them, it is still your word against mine. I’ve stated that I don’t deny the possibility that such things can or do happen, but I do firmly believe such things to be rare in occurance and that foreign girls going along with it to be even rarer. More importantly, I believe the weight of the evidence suggests that NOT to be the case but rather that this is, indeed, an instance of a KDS member snapping some candid shots of a rare mixed couple on the subway.

          4) I never rule out the possibility that people lie, Rick, but you have to offer more evidence than just subjective prejudiced suspicion of Chinese netizens. I believe I have a point in stating that I’ve actually read the source of this post whereas the above people I’ve criticized clearly have not. If you want to argue that this is fake, and that it is important to argue that it is fake, please offer me a stronger argument than “it is possible.”

          5) Please judge my comments and criticism in context. The things I said above were in response to certain things said by the people above. Has anything I said in disagreement and opposition to their presumptions and theories been unreasonable or even less than more likely to be true?

          You want to suggest that people throw up fake posts and fake stories on the internet all the time, fine, I agree, but that doesn’t make me WRONG here about this post or about the silliness of the presumptions made by certain people above. If you think I am wrong, please back it up instead of appealing to mere possibility. I never doubted possibility, I doubted the likelihood of the interpretations above given what I know. The only arguments you’ve advanced don’t serve to support their interpretations, it only serves to support the concept of possibility, a concept I never rejected.

          My position stands that the information we have does NOT suggest or support the interpretations made by the individuals I was responding to AND that my explanations are far more credible and believable than their (and your) baseless presumptions.

          • Stimpy

            I would like to point out that I have also never seen a Chinese guy ask for a photo with a foreign girl.

          • Rick in China

            Kai..I shouldn’t have said “you are wrong” as much as “I think you are wrong”. Semantics, no need to nitpick phraseology.

            You keep mentioning things like “So, it’s your one experience vs. all my observations.” implying that our (the original poster and myself) have very limited and unique experiences. First of all, I have been here for 6 years. You imply he hasn’t been here very long, but perhaps has been here longer than I have. You imply that a Chinese guy has the same experiences/notices the same things as a foreign guy. The number of attractive foreign women in China is not so much that most foreign guys hang out with them regularly, and because of that, those who don’t will obviously experience this type of behavior FAR less frequently than someone who has. That being said, you can’t say our experiences are “baseless”, nor our observations, because you choose to view them in a different way.

            1. The BODY LANGUAGE in Photo 1 appears she is NOT embracing HIM (as girls usually embrace their boyfriends, as opposed to the other way around, no?) and is in fact, crossing her arms and her body is not facing him but only her head tilting as if it’s a reply to a question. He is probably hounding her, he’s not really “comfortable” with her in that photo, you can look at his squeemish posturing, knees together tilted towards her, and face that implies “Oh, come on”. It’s probably not the first question. It’s probably a follow-up question, as in, now you’ve let me take a photo with my arms around you, how about I give you a little kiss..please? ish. If you can’t see that as a very possible possibility, I’ve no intention on belaboring the point.

            2. The guy left and another guy got on. There is no argument here, they were going to different places. This implies with a strong possibility they were not together. Your explanation for this is simply reaching – justification to push your belief, rather than accepting the simplest explanation.

            3. This thread’s poster, nor I, am implying that a Chinese guy can’t have a relationship with another race of female – they do, all the time. I’ve known people in that situation – while it is CERTAINLY not common, it’s reasonable. The point here is not that it’s unbelievable that this guy could be with that girl, the point is that in this particular case, while it could be true, it’s not evident in the story/photos presented. I suppose that kind of statement also needs us to understand that differentiation in personal experiences will sway you either way.

            The bottom line is, I find it really amusing that so many Chinese guys are really proud when a Chinese guy is dating a foreign girl, but get so riled up and jealous when a Chinese girl is with a foreign guy.

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Rick,

            Kai..I shouldn’t have said “you are wrong” as much as “I think you are wrong”. Semantics, no need to nitpick phraseology

            That’s fine. My point is still that if you think I am wrong, state clearly what you think I am wrong about and then offer the appropriate support/arguments for such. I didn’t think the points previously offered were at all “very valid and REALITY here” in China.

            You keep mentioning things like “So, it’s your one experience vs. all my observations.” implying that our (the original poster and myself) have very limited and unique experiences.

            No, the implication is that that one experience offered by that poster is rare, an exception to the rule. I’m not saying you have limited experiences, unique at times maybe, but rather that your experience should be judged in context of what you experience all the time. I’m not just admonishing them to compare that experience to what they usually experience (but are not consciously accounting for here), but also to what others have experienced, which only reinforces how rare the experience they testify to having is.

            First of all, I have been here for 6 years. You imply he hasn’t been here very long, but perhaps has been here longer than I have.

            I did? Who is he? If you’re referring to the commenters I specifically addressed, I didn’t imply they haven’t been here very long. I stated my objection to them wrongly holding up an exception as the rule. If they didn’t intend to do that, great. I just think their comment didn’t really make that clear.

            You imply that a Chinese guy has the same experiences/notices the same things as a foreign guy.

            I did? Where? Are you talking about me? Suggesting that my physical appearance precludes me from witnessing the experiences and noticing the phenomenon that foreign guys, perhaps like you, witness and notice? That I can’t understand what you do because I may not be a foreigner (or do you mean white, black, hispanic, etc.)?

            I already accounted for mere possibility, but I’m pretty certain that I’m still right in saying that the phenomenon I am objecting to is rare. Are you arguing that it isn’t? You have your testimony and I have mine. I say it is a wash because it is irrelevant. That you may have witnessed something similar is insufficient not prove that it is widespread or even supportive of the implications made by the commenters I took issue to.

            Again, I’ve hung out with plenty of foreigners and not once has anyone ever mentioned Chinese guys doing what is suggested above. Could it have happened and could it happen? Sure! But often enough to be offered by itself as a serious hypothesis for the above photos and story in contradiction to the information we do have? No.

            That being said, you can’t say our experiences are “baseless”, nor our observations, because you choose to view them in a different way.

            No, I said your “presumptions” are baseless, not your experiences or observations.

            1. The BODY LANGUAGE in Photo 1 appears she is NOT embracing HIM (as girls usually embrace their boyfriends, as opposed to the other way around, no?) and is in fact, crossing her arms and her body is not facing him but only her head tilting as if it’s a reply to a question.

            Dude, you are needlessly complicating the matter. Are you seriously arguing that girlfriends will always be embracing their boyfriends? No, you say “usually”, right? So, are you arguing that “usually” should be so often that a person taking a photograph has a higher probability of capturing them in embrace than not?

            We all see couples every day, Rick, and I can safely say that the vast majority of the time they are not embracing each other. That the black girl is not embracing him back is not dispositive. It doesn’t prove anything. If you had a video where this black girl was consistently trying to shrug off this guy, then maybe you might have cause…or maybe she’s just pissed at her boyfriend for the moment. With these photos alone the body language is not clearly anything. Hell, she could be a bit cold from the subway’s air conditioning and he’s even wrapping his arm around to help keep her that much warmer. You ever do something like that?

            He is probably hounding her, he’s not really “comfortable” with her in that photo, you can look at his squeemish posturing, knees together tilted towards her, and face that implies “Oh, come on”. It’s probably not the first question. It’s probably a follow-up question, as in, now you’ve let me take a photo with my arms around you, how about I give you a little kiss..please? ish. If you can’t see that as a very possible possibility, I’ve no intention on belaboring the point.

            And I have every bit the intention of belaboring the point that this is your presumption which I consider baseless because it is based upon OTHER presumptions about Chinese male character and behavior. Rick, I have ALREADY stated quite clearly that I can see the very “possibility” but I am arguing that your hypothesis is NOT likely given my evaluation of the information presented.

            Don’t misrepresent my position after I have been so clear.

            You are, however, now explaining why you interpret the way you do, just as the above commenters did. Likewise, I have offered competing explanations and interpretations that I present as being more likely, credible, and even survivable to Occam’s Razor. This is not about possibility, Rick, it’s about likelihood.

            You have your reasons (which I find potentially distasteful) for why you interpret the body language of the two pictured people to be of him “hounding” her. I have my reasons for why I see nothing out of the ordinary except that a black and asian couple is indeed a rare sight in China (and hell, most places). There is no reason for me to doubt the veracity of the story presented, except taking anything on the internet with a grain of salt.

            However, nothing makes me suspicious here. What makes you suspicious? Is it really the body language? Or is there a subconscious prejudice against Chinese guys’ chances with foreign girls?

            You cite her not embracing him. I cite her smiling at him. You cite her crossing her arms. I cite her not shoving him away. You cite his look as squeemish, begging her “oh come on” and I cite it as the look for a pussy-whipped guy who genuinely adores his gal.

            Who is right? I venture to say the information we have suggests I’m right or more likely to be right, but the I’m willing to grant the intelligent compromise that there’s not enough information to rule either of us as definitely wrong because in this world, either scenario is surely possible.

            But I still disagree with what you’re driving at or trying to defend.

            2. The guy left and another guy got on. There is no argument here, they were going to different places. This implies with a strong possibility they were not together. Your explanation for this is simply reaching – justification to push your belief, rather than accepting the simplest explanation.

            This does not imply any possibility with any strength. You’re out of your mind, Rick. Correlation does not imply causation. That they are not a couple is NOT the simplest explanation absent other supporting presumptions. Don’t try to use Occam’s Razor on me. By your insane logic, I should be accusing you of reaching. You’re going out on a limb suggesting that the KDS poster is lying through his teeth about what he photographed. It’s your testimony against his. He’s offering photographic evidence of being present in that situation, personally observing what happened. You’re in a different city reading a website that translated and reposted the original post operating on a presumption that Chinese guys do this sort of shit all the time and hence this photograph should be interpreted based upon that presumption.

            Simplest explanation? Are you kidding?

            3. This thread’s poster, nor I, am implying that a Chinese guy can’t have a relationship with another race of female – they do, all the time. I’ve known people in that situation – while it is CERTAINLY not common, it’s reasonable.

            Huh? Neither? Nor?

            No, the KDS poster is NOT implying that a Chinese guy can’t have a relationship with a female of another race. Neither are you. I know this. I am, however, criticizing certain posters above who seem unwilling to accept the simplest explanation that the photoed coupled are indeed a mixed race couple and would rather make presumptions (based upon other presumptions) that this is an elaborate Chinese ploy exploiting foreign girls to boost Chinese male egos.

            The point here is not that it’s unbelievable that this guy could be with that girl, the point is that in this particular case, while it could be true, it’s not evident in the story/photos presented. I suppose that kind of statement also needs us to understand that differentiation in personal experiences will sway you either way.

            Okay, so you’re saying the sum total of your personal experiences makes you interpret the above photos as a Chinese guys harassing a foreign black girl to let him put his arm around her and kiss her on camera for kicks?

            Fuck, man, it must be REALLY different living in a non-Asian body! It’s like an entirely different reality where all the exceptions happen so often that they are the rule! What a philosophical mind-bender!

            Rick, I’m sorry, but I think there’s an intellectual acknowledgement that this mix happens but an emotional hesitation to accepting it. You feel inclined to doubt for a reason, just as there’s a reason you don’t feel inclined to doubt other mixed couples (like white guy with Asian girl). You may take offense to this, but by the principle of mere possibility, am I really out of line? You want to suggest it is possible that your interpretation is right, and I want to suggest it is possible that your interpretation says something about your biases.

            Fair, right?

            I can understand the skepticism towards Asian guys with non-Asian girls. It IS rare, much rarer than if the genders were reversed. That’s a fact of our world, but I think it is objectionable to see people trying so hard reading into the at least indeterminate body language in these photos to somehow prove or justify that skepticism.

            You guys are trying way too hard to get others to reject the possibility, even the likelihood, that this is a bona fide mixed-race couple. And that says a lot about you. And Rick, while we don’t really know each other personally, I’m somewhat disappointed because I thought better of you despite our strong past disagreements. I’m being honest here not to morally blackmail you, Rick, but because I somehow feel I owe it to you to explain why I’m so disappointed.

            The bottom line is, I find it really amusing that so many Chinese guys are really proud when a Chinese guy is dating a foreign girl, but get so riled up and jealous when a Chinese girl is with a foreign guy.

            Which is not the bottom line of everything you’ve been arguing. This is a separate point that is basically unrelated and unpremised by the defenses and arguments you’ve offered in support of the previous commenters I was taking to task.

            Like you, I fully recognize the racist hypocrisy of Chinese guys rooting on Chinese guys with foreign girls but not vice versa. However, I don’t find it amusing, I find it predictable. As other commenters have already pointed out, this is a common problem not amongst Chinese guys but amongst guys of all races. As one said, it is not racism but sexism that results in guys of all races feeling that women of their own race is somehow their “property” not to be poached by guys of other races.

            I don’t object to this bottom line of your’s, Rick, so don’t confuse this bottom line as what you’ve been trying to say all along. I don’t see how arguing body language supports your bottom line of racist sexism between Chinese men. I wish I could find a way to give you face here, on account of having known each other on here for so long, but I really found some of the sentiments behind your arguments to be sorely disappointing. You’re not a dumbass, Rick, because for all our disagreements, we agree on a lot of things…but I just can’t understand what could rationally compel you to go out on a limb like this.

          • Rick in China

            *Yawn* as usual, combating a clear and valid opinion with an over the top reply, I will summarize:

            1. You break down everything anyone else pointed out as their observation or analysis as a presumption. EVERYTHING you have stated to support your opinion, Kai, is also a presumption. Your arguments and opinions are no more valid. I do not dispute that they MAY be a couple. They may. There is likely a good percentage of Black females dating Chinese guys in China.

            2. When I said you may experience the kind of situations foreigners experience less frequently it is based only on different appearance. OF COURSE mainland Chinese look at, interact with, and behave around _all other races_ significantly different than other Chinese or even other asian nationalities. It has nothing to do with being foreign or not, it has to do with being of different appearance. Sure you may witness these events (being asked to take a photo with as an example), but most definitely witness/experience them far less frequently.

            3. Throughout your reply you reference other guys. I only know the original poster of this thread (I don’t mean KDS, I mean “so what a” and he’s Black, btw, and likely has a significant more experience with the whole ‘can I take a photo with you’ shit than either of us, which I have also personally experienced numerous times, although I find it kind of amusing/flattering. BTW it has never happened _in Shanghai_, but there are a lot of white guys in SH.) I don’t know about the other people’s threads, nor was I backing up their arguments; I didn’t read their threads. I didn’t even read _THIS_ thread’s comments until my buddy mentioned your reply to his post. Why? The article seemed like a *stupid* observance that meant nothing…so what, a Chinese guy and a Black girl, who cares? Which leads to…

            4. Nowhere do I mention anything about Chinese guys not being able to pull foreign women. I say the exact *opposite*, and I mean it – whether or not you choose to label me as subconsciously racist or not. I know some cool Chinese guys who would pull better than I in other countries(well..maybe). You are projecting what other people have said ala their ‘subconscious prejudices’ onto what I have said. I have simply stated I do not think the story equates to these *particular 2* people being a couple, for 2 main reasons – body language and the fact they weren’t travelling together (or at least agreeably not to the same destination).

            The girl is ugly anyways. The guy is even uglier. I’m done with this. Feel free to disect my racist tendancies and suggest my philosophical madness and bending of liklihood, but perhaps it is not I who am bending liklihoods due to extremely subjective experiences and reasoning.

          • http://cnreviews.com Kai

            Rick,

            *Yawn* as usual, combating a clear and valid opinion with an over the top reply,

            Well-played, Rick. I take you too seriously.

            1. You break down everything anyone else pointed out as their observation or analysis as a presumption. EVERYTHING you have stated to support your opinion, Kai, is also a presumption. Your arguments and opinions are no more valid. I do not dispute that they MAY be a couple. They may. There is likely a good percentage of Black females dating Chinese guys in China.

            You’re technically right, if we make no distinction between what our premises are. My premise is the original source material, which includes the statements of the KDS poster who took these photos. What is your premise? These photos alone and apparently past experiences so overwhelming that you think your interpretation is both correct and more likely than mine.

            I argue that my interpretation is more valid and/or likely because it is more congruous with the information we have available, whereas you’re not even taking into account the primary source. I’ve said this several times.

            I’ve also said several times that both our interpretations are surely POSSIBLE. I know you think so too. Our disagreement has never been about possibility, but about likelihood. I’m saying your interpretation is not valid next to the information we have, and at the very least, less likely next to the information we have. Why? Because you’ve ignored important pieces of information from the original source material and substituting unrelated presumptions about Chinese male behavior. The foundation of your opinion, however possible it could be, is shakier than the foundation my opinion is citing.

            If you don’t think so, please tell us what I’m missing that your opinion accounts for? Have you even looked at the original post?

            2. When I said you may experience the kind of situations foreigners experience less frequently it is based only on different appearance. OF COURSE mainland Chinese look at, interact with, and behave around _all other races_ significantly different than other Chinese or even other asian nationalities. It has nothing to do with being foreign or not, it has to do with being of different appearance. Sure you may witness these events (being asked to take a photo with as an example), but most definitely witness/experience them far less frequently.

            Sure, I understand that, but you’re not answering the key question: Does this happen that frequently to justify the presumptions about Chinese male behavior and attitudes to explain away these photographs and accuse the original poster of lying through his teeth?

            3. Throughout your reply you reference other guys. I only know the original poster of this thread (I don’t mean KDS, I mean “so what a”

            Rick, you were responding to my comment. My comment clearly addressed multiple people on a common point. I think this was very clear. I even listed out the names of the people I was addressing. These are the “other guys” I reference.

            and he’s Black, btw,

            He is? Do you know him personally? This is a serious question, because I just checked and didn’t see him mentioning his race in this thread.

            and likely has a significant more experience with the whole ‘can I take a photo with you’ shit than either of us, which I have also personally experienced numerous times, although I find it kind of amusing/flattering.

            Bad presumption. You’re propping this guy up as an authority and using an appeal to authority fallacy. It’s the “he says so so he must be right” argument. In the process, you’re accusing the original KDS poster to be lying through his teeth, even in on a group ploy to “fabricate an ego boosting story”.

            BTW it has never happened _in Shanghai_, but there are a lot of white guys in SH.) I don’t know about the other people’s threads, nor was I backing up their arguments; I didn’t read their threads. I didn’t even read _THIS_ thread’s comments until my buddy mentioned your reply to his post.

            Okay, scratch the above. So you know “so what” and he’s black, fine. It still doesn’t make his interpretation any more likely, especially when it doesn’t account for the information we have available. His argument is the same as your’s, subjective interpretations of body language that I’ve already shown to have plenty of other possible, and I argue far more likely, interpretations. My interpretation also doesn’t depend on calling the KDS a liar and throwing in some rant about Chinese guys being “sad and desperate” fabricating ego boosting stories.

            Your position states that you believe it is more likely that Chinese guys in Shanghai go around begging foreign girls to let them grope and kiss them on camera so they can go home and post ego-boosting fabrications online than for there to be a Chinese guy with a black girlfriend riding the subway together but getting off at different stops.

            Simplest explanation?

            Why? The article seemed like a *stupid* observance that meant nothing…so what, a Chinese guy and a Black girl, who cares? Which leads to…

            Rick, you’re arguing with me about an explanation for a post you now admit you didn’t initially read, nor did you read the original source, AND you failed to read my comment carefully to notice that I was responding to multiple people I listed and addressed clearly at the very beginning of my comment?

            Are you serious?

            4. Nowhere do I mention anything about Chinese guys not being able to pull foreign women.

            Nowhere did I accuse you of saying that.

            I say the exact *opposite*, and I mean it – whether or not you choose to label me as subconsciously racist or not. I know some cool Chinese guys who would pull better than I in other countries(well..maybe). You are projecting what other people have said ala their ’subconscious prejudices’ onto what I have said.

            You’re defending what they say as “valid and REALITY.” I’ve repeatedly stated that I know you know Chinese guys can get with foreign girls. Do you want me to quote me repeatedly saying you don’t think that? Are you not reading carefully again?

            What I’m trying to figure out is why you’re more keen to defend and believe a far more complex and malicious interpretation over the simple one that the photographed pair are a couple. This is why I said you intellectually accept but maybe there’s some sort of emotional resistance/hesitation. Do you still want to argue that your interpretation of the body language is more accurate and likely than my interpretation combined with my review of the original Chinese source?

            I have simply stated I do not think the story equates to these *particular 2* people being a couple, for 2 main reasons – body language and the fact they weren’t travelling together (or at least agreeably not to the same destination).

            No, Rick, you said my interpretation of the events and original source were wrong. You wielded analysis of body language like a trump card and you insinuated that the original source is a liar. Go back and read your first response to me.

            My responses to you have always been about what is the most likely and supported interpretation of these two people from the evidence/information we have available.

            To repeat, I think the body language suggests they are a couple. You haven’t advanced a single analysis of the body language that cannot be mundanely explained away completely leaving the “this is a couple” interpretation strongly intact. That they got off at different stations is also lacking in persuasive weight. Couples get off at different stops all the time, Rick. Couples are not always attached at the hip.

            The evidence and arguments you advance are flimsy at best. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar.

            We have a rare mixed couple that was clearly being a bit lovey dubby on the subway. A KDS member, like many Chinese people, found the sight both rare and interesting and used his cell phone to snap three pictures. Later, he went online and posted his interesting sight of the day on KDS, because people, especially Chinese people, tend to gawk at these things. Juvenile comments ensued. Pretty par for the course with KDS and Chinese BBS forums in general. Hell, its not much different from a foreigner snapping pictures of Chinese parents having their kid shit on the sidewalk.

            You’re backing up your friend who has said “fake chinese friendliness, sad and desperate, fabricate an ego boosting story about how chinese men are pulling people of all races now, sticky breathed kisses, bored idiots who need amusement, no need for anymore comments, its all been pointed out, notice i wasn’t angry, racist or defensive in my comments.” Regardless of how contradictory his PS was with the actual content of his comment, he fabricated his interpretation NOT on the original source material but on a combination of inconclusive body language analysis, certain past experiences he’s had with his UK girlfriend, and presumptions about Chinese male behaviors and attitudes in Shanghai.

            Again, simplest explanation?

            The girl is ugly anyways. The guy is even uglier. I’m done with this. Feel free to disect my racist tendancies and suggest my philosophical madness and bending of liklihood, but perhaps it is not I who am bending liklihoods due to extremely subjective experiences and reasoning.

            Rick, you’re the one who suggested my physical appearance (race) has something to do with why I don’t share the interpretation you feel is obviously correct. I’m the one who is actually discussing the actual details of the post and original source, drawing all the information together to put together a cohesive interpretation that doesn’t rely on racist presumptions about Chinese men’s behavior online or off.

            We often ridicule the Chinese for refusing to evaluate independent objective points of debate and using the “you’re not Chinese, you wouldn’t understand” card. Now you’re using the same bullshit in reverse.

            You disregard the original source, and point to your friend saying “he’s black” as if that alone should make his interpretation of an event he didn’t witness nor properly investigated, by following the link to the source, the clear and obvious correct one. Perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised. You made the same mistake the last time we had a vocal disagreement, insisting on believing your one stewardess friend against the contradictory but no less factual information presented by multiple other sources. Your loyalty to your friends is cool and all, but you shouldn’t stubbornly blind yourself to an objective evaluation of the information.

        • darkandlovelykissedbythe

          Check out Won Kar Wai. In one of his movies, the character shows an old high school buddy a picture of his wife. She is Black they have a son. Turns out she is not his wife, but someone who he asked to pose for a picture with him.

  • So what a chinese man can pose for a Picture

    stinky not sticky breath ( one more comment/ correction)

  • sukmuhdikmuhfugger

    China will become a true marathon/sprint powerhouse when black genes are found in its athletes. You will get athletes who can reach the greatness of Usain Bolt, and not have wimpy losers like Liu Xiang.

    China broads, spread those legs and let some 10-inch mandingo lurve inside.

    • hellofriends

      Yes and we can all huddle around mudhuts, living in our shit, chanting African monkey music and accomplish nothing with our Nigger IQs.

      Niggers are an inferior race of worthless subhumans. Your 10 inches of dick is more like 10 inches of crabs and genital warts as well as tumors and AIDS deformities.

      Not very sexy, I think the average woman would rather be fucked by a garden claw.

      • Stimpy

        Fuck sake, can someone please vote down these comments so I don’t see them anymore?!

  • Jaime de la Esperanza

    Is there really a lot of fetish in China towards black sexuality? I found people to be very curious about me while I was there, but I took it as curiosity, not anything so deeply sexual. I must say that these posts, along with the selection on the female singer, are kind of sleazy. That was one difference I found between China and the west – Chinese people seem very hesitant to express their inner thoughts and feelings, so I sometimes appreciate the internet for being able to read what people will post, things that they might otherwise not express.

    The results are disappointing, and yes, I read many of the original comments in Chinese. Whoever chose these particular comments to translate was being generous towards the Chinese.

    Chinese people want BJ and Shanghai to be considered world-class cities, as do many of the foreigners operating the ring of blogs there. However, these sorts of comments and repulsive displays of racism and sexual degradations reveal a nation that has much further to go than they believe they do.

    I mean, come on. A mixed race couple on the subway, photographed and viciously commented on, in 2009? Sorry, China fails miserably on this one.

    I always say, if you want to know what people say behind your back, see the sorts of things they post online. Lately, I look much less favorably on China for this very reason.

    • the great yellow master race

      ohh dear.. i bet you are living in a time of Franko and Hitler and beliving own shit you wrote here..

      and yep.. forign people from other culture and ethnics are looking exsotic for chinese whoa regoing to save the world but opened own door to it just 2 decades ago…

    • http://cnreviews.com Kai

      Jaime,

      Is there really a lot of fetish in China towards black sexuality?

      No, not really.

      Whoever chose these particular comments to translate was being generous towards the Chinese.

      Interestingly, there were some people in the Lou Jing thread who complained that the translated comments were too biased towards the racist ones, not giving enough play for those Chinese who denounced racism and defended Lou Jing. I think it’s important to always keep in mind that the comments translated here are never ever going to be representative for a ton of legitimate reasons. Just take them as a sample, not the standard.

      However, these sorts of comments and repulsive displays of racism and sexual degradations reveal a nation that has much further to go than they believe they do.

      I mean, come on. A mixed race couple on the subway, photographed and viciously commented on, in 2009? Sorry, China fails miserably on this one.

      I feel the same way about tons of YouTube videos and YouTube comments.

      Guys, exercise some common sense. You guys should know by now how this website operates. They clearly tell you what forum this stuff is from and provide links. Different forums have different personalities given their membership’s demographics. You guys should NEVER EVER take any handful of comments from any particular forum and believe it to be representative of China, the Chinese, or even Chinese netizens. KDS, for crying out loud, is a bunch of silly Shanghainese guys who can be hilarious at times but disturbingly discriminatory at others. They’re like a frat house, with a good portion of their posts being photos of hot girls. Can you really convince yourself that they represent China in 2009? Come on now…

      I always say, if you want to know what people say behind your back, see the sorts of things they post online. Lately, I look much less favorably on China for this very reason.

      Wow, and we point at the Chinese for being oversensitive? I quote Quinon above:

      If the only people left in the world were internet trolls, I would never leave my house. Don’t give up, there’s still a lot to see.

      • Jaime de la Esperanza

        @Kai

        Your comments were reasonable and make sense. I don’t say that to be condescending, I mean to say you provided some needed balance in my view. I recognize that selected comments on a message board are not statistical samples or whatever. However, I am not entirely sure that they can be dismissed so easily as “fringe”, especially when said comments don’t fit in with your worldview. I am not writing this as someone unfamiliar with China, or unfamiliar with how Chinese people view/consider blacks. Saying that isn’t to suggest that I consider all Chinese to be racists or fools, or even most of them, but I didn’t just see the comments and have my reaction, I considered my experiences over the years and the thousands of interactions (large and small) that I had.

        More on message boards – I do believe that people unleash their… frustrations, ignorance, petty squabbles, etc on the internet. Your listing of Youtube is interesting because far from being atypical of American society, I would say that a lot of the comments for various videos on Youtube represent large swathes of American society. How large? Of course I couldn’t say, but even if only 10%, that is a humongous mass of people.

        As far as taking KDS and not making them an example, do you suggest that if these photos appeared on another forum the results would be different? Wildly different? KDS may be a “frat house” bunch, but I certainly wouldn’t say it wasn’t popular, and if someone said to me to just dismiss the postings you see on a popular American board as part of a fringe, I would have to disagree. I am willing to try to give most people credit for being pretty good all-in-all, but then again when I look around at recent history, I have to wonder. I liked China when I live there, and I still feel quite fondly towards many people there, and aspects of the culture, but like all cultures (including my own) it is pretty crappy in many ways.

        Cynical, probably. But I hope that wasn’t too disjointed a reply. Anyway, I’ll agree that “discourses” like the responses in this thread they tend not to go very far. There are those eager to demonize China, and there are those who rise to defend China’s honor against any and all slights. On the subject of culture/ethnicity and stereotypes (I shouldn’t have used the word festish previously) I will say that China is no worse than most other countries, and in fact probably better than the U.S. But then, the bar is set pretty low here, so…

        • Jaime de la Esperanza

          Geez, how do I delete the above? Thats not what I intended to post, and furthermore, I wanted to add substance that China is actually off-the-chain in many ways to my post below. I’ve got a hair-trigger laptop, I posted too quickly! Crist on a Crisp! Well, it’s time for brunch now. Hopefully there will be waffles left.

      • Jaime de la Esperanza

        @Kai

        Your comments were reasonable and make sense. I don’t say that to be condescending, I mean to say you provided some needed balance in my view. I recognize that selected comments on a message board are not statistical samples or whatever. However, I am not entirely sure that they can be dismissed so easily as “fringe”, especially when said comments don’t fit in with your worldview. I am not writing this as someone unfamiliar with China, or unfamiliar with how Chinese people view/consider blacks. Saying that isn’t to suggest that I consider all Chinese to be racists or fools, or even most of them, but I didn’t just see the comments and have my reaction, I considered my experiences over the years and the thousands of interactions (large and small) that I had.

        More on message boards – I do believe that people unleash their… frustrations, ignorance, petty squabbles, etc on the internet. Your listing of Youtube is interesting because far from being atypical of American society, I would say that a lot of the comments for various videos on Youtube represent large swathes of American society. How large? Umm….

        As far as taking KDS and not making them an example, do you suggest that if these photos appeared on another forum the results would be different? Wildly different? KDS may be a “frat house” bunch, but I certainly wouldn’t say it wasn’t popular, and if someone said to me to just dismiss the postings you see on a popular American board as part of a fringe, I would have to disagree. I am willing to try to give most people credit for being pretty good all-in-all, but then again when I look around at recent history, I have to wonder. I liked China when I live there, and I still feel quite fondly towards many people there, and aspects of the culture, but like all cultures (including and especially my own) there are some really scary aspects.

        And of course you are right, there is a lot to see. This topic has a lot of comments, many of them damning, but i still would say that China is worth a go for blacks, especially considering the situation in some other, supposedly more urbane or sophisticated countries.

        Well, that’s my post.

        • http://cnreviews.com Kai

          Jaime,

          I’m not trying to argue that any statistically small sample of comments is “fringe” by default, just that it’s a “statistically small sample” and thus it’s wise to keep that in mind before letting it color any broad generalizations we make.

          I’m not trying to deny you of your experiences and interactions, especially if those gave you an uneasy feeling that a lot of people in China are pretty racist or racially insensitive or whatever. I happen to feel the same way.

          What I caution against — and this is with everyone, not specifically you — is crossing from an observation/acknowledgement to a generalized declaration/condemnation of an entire “society” with the argument that something like this or your own experiences is sufficient “proof”.

          Why? Because crossing into doing that is dangerous.

          It’s dangerous because it looks persuasive when it actually isn’t. All you need to do to understand why is think of how you would argue if the same thing happened to you. If someone accused your race, demographic, or society of being, let’s say, racists because of things someone or even many people in your race, demographic, or society have said, how would you respond?

          If you’re minimally intelligent, you’d probably acknowledge it, but then stress how those people aren’t representative of everyone, much less you yourself. If you’re stupid, you’ll probably skip that and jump directly to trying to argue how the other person’s race, demographic, or society is somehow worse for the same ugly sin.

          The best way to see how logical and fair any argument is is to see how you would defend against it were it used against you. And if the argument isn’t logical or fair, then why would you use it against others?

          Next, because of how seemingly persuasive it is, we should really be careful with encouraging people to turn bona fide observations into hard and fast generalizations. There’s a difference between “I’ve met a lot of racist people in China” and “Chinese society is racist and this here, along with my experiences, prove it!”

          Why? Because the latter is prone to being self-fulfilling. It begins to color how you view and judge the entire society instead of allowing yourself to evaluate it on the experiences themselves. More importantly, it colors how others view and judge an entire society. You’re spreading, even inciting, negative generalizations about an entire society.

          For example, what defines a “racist society” anyway? Is it the mere presence of members of that society espousing racist comments, views, actions? Or is it the proportion of that society that does so? The frequency? What definition or criteria can anyone offer that will only limit Chinese society as being a racist society and exclude other societies?

          And if it is racist, then what?

          Too many people don’t ask these questions before they pull their guns out and start saying “Chinese” this or “Chinese” that. How is this any different from what Chinese racists do?

          Generalizations serve legitimate purposes, but sometimes we need to reflect on just what purpose we’re employing them for. With this issue and though I’m responding to you, I trust you understand that I’m making a broad observation of a lot of what we’ve seen commented on this Chinese-black/Lou Jing topic. At what point are we crossing the line from rightfully acknowledging the racism to deriving a sort of condescending pleasure from declaring “others” to be of some evil that we think we are clean of?

          Is the goal here to condemn racism or to condemn Chinese society?

          Think about it. The answer says a lot.

          As for YouTube, I actually do think that YouTube represents large swaths of humanity and thus human stupidity. I would even entertain it being typical of American society. In comparison to KDS, though, I’d argue that its far easier to say YouTube is more representative of, say, the idiocy of American society (not that YouTube is limited to Americans) than KDS is representative of the idiocy of Chinese society. For one thing, YouTube is far larger of a website and its users represent far more demographics than KDS does.

          I’m not arguing that these photos posted on a different Chinese forum would suddenly result in non-racist comments, I’m arguing that each forum’s demographic character would show just like the same topic could receive different types of comments on different blogs or forums in America or elsewhere.

          I don’t know if you can really say KDS is popular. It is popular amongst a limited demographic of Chinese, mostly Shanghainese. Do you think Shanghai and the Shanghainese represents all of China and Chinese? Tianya or Mop is far more representative than KDS. KDS is small fries next to those giants. Hell, we only get a lot of translated KDS content here on chinaSMACK because Fauna is Shanghainese and she likes KDS. It’s like Roland Soong of ESWN posting a lot of Hong Kong news sources, because he’s in Hong Kong.

          I fully agree with you that even if these comments are not and cannot be argued to be statistially representative, our instincts are not always wrong either. We’re often quick to see these things as evidence for our own suspicions borne out of our own legitimate observations and experiences. Are all of these wrong? Not necessarily, but its important not to let ourselves get too carried with them. Rationality is not letting our subjective perspective distort objective reality. These experiences and these comments prove that racism exists in China amongst many Chinese people. But what do we do with this realization?

          Do we fight against racism? Or do we blame racism on the state of being Chinese?

          What’s the end goal and how are the things we say contributing towards getting there?

          Some people would be better off just acknowledging that they’re just as every bit racist against the Chinese as some Chinese are against blacks.

          Jaime, I apologize if my first reply to you was a bit curt. I actually find your comments to be very good-natured and well-meaning and you write earnestly. I’m more or less commenting about a lot of the other comments here.

          Finally, for everyone’s kicks, and in connection with the general theme of stupidity, I offer this fun essay by a former Berkeley professor: Basic Laws of Human Stupidity.

  • the great yellow master race

    oWhahahahahahah! okokok.. guys imagine that small little loser of my yellow master race, who is trying to make fotos of this curvy african girl flyrting with her globetroter-weaboo chinese lover, (i bet she is a student trying to earn some chips for her family back in some african shithole) and trying to camoflage his sheap chinese copypasta mobile by using some backward loser clothes by looking the whole time into the mobile-camera and pretending he is not looking discusting when he is going almost insame because he cant make a foto of exsotic girl with spread legs kissing her chinese lover….

    something like this..

  • bigdaddy

    Sorry, not every country should buy into this whole American interracial mixing thing.
    We have our own culture, and we do not buy it! Americans are not the center of the world. WHy should every country follow them? You cannot use American standards and call people racists. Imagine if it was the other way around.

  • magic man

    Chinese are fucking moron racist bitches…. Uncivilized.They pretend everthings they do. Loser !
    If you ppl.hate African guys.you’re wasting your time.becos,alot of chinese gals,are going for the black dick.I can assure you chinese.not in the distance future.the will be more and more African/Chinese kids…..you’ve to accept the fact loser !

    • hellofriends

      Chinese women don’t like ugly, unsophisticated, dirt poor niggers. Sure, the trash will gravitate to you but the rest hold their noses and try to avoid catching sight of your pathetic, smelly, ugly ass.

      Nigger go back to Africa and spread AIDS there. Don’t brag about the size of your dick either, we know 90% of its dry weight is just genital wards.

      If only your IQs could be increased in a similar way.

      • Wretchedofthepond

        @ hellofriends: Hey bro, you mind typing in HUMAN next time? I know how good you are handling stress and all, just like your boy Cho. Just don’t overexert yourself, you filthy yellow reptilian slime.

      • Carlos

        So what kind of IQ do you have? Judging by your comments, not that much. Do you actually know what that word means, you throw it around as if to try and stab a person in the heart. Don’t waste your time, it’s a useless word that nowadays really has no strong significant meaning as it once did back in the day.
        Also, are you gay? Why and how would you know about another Black man’s penis. If you are gary, maybe you should go to a different site and spouse off there. Or can it be that you are not happy about your own penile size.
        And just FYI, no woman likes “ANY” man that is a loser, color has nothing to do with it. Wise up! And please don’t mention smell. China smells like ass and there is no deodorant big enough to mask that stench! The stench of bigotry.

      • Dee

        Ahh finally, the real source of all this anger explained… penis envy LOL!!!!

        ROFL :D

        You know it is not the size that matters :P, anyhow it is all for the best, you don’t like black women, and black women would never be satisfied by you… problem solved :)

      • Aethiops Flavus

        Mr. hellofriends,

        **Chinese women don’t like ugly, unsophisticated, dirt poor niggers.

        You seem to have described yourself pretty accurately in this statement. I know it might be a little difficult, but open your eyes real wide and take in the world around you. Last time I checked, The 中国人 (Chinese People or Middle Country People) named Americans 美国人 (Beautiful Country People) hey but what do I know.

        **Sure, the trash will gravitate to you but the rest hold their noses and try to avoid catching sight of your pathetic, smelly, ugly ass.

        For the record, 臭豆腐 (Smelly Tofu) does horrible things to your breath and the air of a city. WAY WORSE then chitterlings, for those who know what that is. But hey, I’m not here to poke fun. Just to put things in perspective.

        It is extremely unfortunate that we were not able to meet while I was working in Shanghai, though I feel you would’ve been a lot more cautious in constructing your sentences when you are face to face with what you fear.

      • laowai

        you are full of shit !one big loser who suffers from inferiority complex .stop bitching and start living .u sound like a very sad person n you need help cause you are sick .no matter how much you might try to deny .that’s why all you do is sit behind a computer n write this shit .unfucking believable.
        seriously get help.
        by the way it’s warts not wards you ‘sophisticated’ idiot

  • Random

    Until the vast majority of Chinese people learn to brush their teeth, I could’nt care less what they think about anything, especially who anyone wants to date.

    Peace in the Middle East and Personal Hygiene in China.

    • hellofriends

      China invented the toothbrush, retard.

      • Wretchedofthepond

        How ironic. You beasts “invent” the toothbrush just to have little girls piss and shit down your throat in your beastly scat. I hope you ride an ancestral dick to insanity.

  • 101

    looooooooooooooooooool!
    LOVE.. LOVE!!!! one day china will accept this! and forget about your culture

  • Leanne

    I’m a white woman married to an Asian man….is there something wrong with that in China? Or just the black thing is bad?

    • MAC

      Nothing “wrong” with it, as long as you don’t mind angry young men being vicariously pleased that their “compatriot” has “conquered” you as revenge for “their” women being “stolen.”

  • magic man

    who cares about Chinese, dislike the idea of Blacks having kids with chinese.A lot of African/Chinese kids are being born especially in beijing. Very soon China will allow African/Chinese on their National Football Team,Basketball,and other sports….

    My advice,to you Chinese innocent kids.Foucus,on your studies so as to enable you have a better Job, in the future.Becos,if you’re not educated.you’ll not have a pretty chinese chick.Most of the pretty Chinese chicks are chasing black dicks.Believe it or not.It’s your decision to do a study on this…

    • hellofriends

      Nobody is chasing black dick except the AIDS exterminators.

      • Wretchedofthepond

        So says the foremost cocksucking slope.

  • HKer

    Bigdaddy — This is not racist because “America” says it is. It’s just racist. Period.
    It would be racist in any developed nation: Canada, France, Britain, Australia, etc. All over the world, it’s considered indecent to discriminate on skin color.

    Even in Hong Kong — where people certainly have their prejudices — at least we know better than to go around saying racist stuff out in public.

    I can’t imagine a HK forum saying ‘OH MY GOD! A CHINESE-BLACK PERSON ON TV! A BLACK PERSON ON THE SUBWAY!”

    There aren’t alot of black people here. But generally, HK discrimination is based on money and class. A black banker from London could easily get a HK girlfriend without discrimination and be treated like a king. An African selling drugs on the streets would be looked down on.

  • Vesper Lynd

    I’m so thankful that when I was dating an ABC nobody posted a photo of us on the metro or eating in a restaurant. I feel terrible for this woman.

  • ThaTruth

    I wonder how much he paid?

    • Blaiks

      I hope he doesn’t get AIDS. Yeah statistically around the world, blacks have the highest AIDS rate, be it in a third world nation or not.

      • Tosca

        And I hope you are keeping up with estimates that in the next 20 years Asia would surpass Africa in numbers of new HIV cases, look it up. With Asia, places such as Indonesia, Taiwan, and India, serving as the world’s underbelly for sex tourism its inevitable. Also, to cure your ignorance google China’s AIDS villages.

  • Muggles

    This dude is cool, respect to him !

    I hope Asian men can take all the Black and White chicks in exchange for there Asian Females !

  • http://www.foarp.blogspot.com FOARP

    Well, I just have to be honest here, the photos do not look very intimate. I quite open to this being an interracial couple, but they don’t look like it, especially the last photo on the subway. The other photo could well be, presuming it’s not a photoshop.

  • VeerLeft

    Hahaha… I may have to make a fake ‘Chinabounder’ style site but complete it with video shots of some dark Mandingo missile vs. some elegant rice pudding.

    • Mike Fish

      This is the kind of comment Chinasmack needs more of!!! Make love not war.

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